Should You Shoot At 24FPS or 30FPS?
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- Should You Shoot at 24fps or 30fps? What looks better for your audience?
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When you watch my two samples side by side can you see a difference between 24 and 30? Which one do you actually think looks better?
Yes I see it, and I wonder; is that the jumpiness I perceived in the Overland Video / Pony Express Graveyard scene?.. Either way, this is a high value video for setting up shop.. thankyou.
@@fyuzn Yeah I think so. Also I think that shot was accidentally shot at a higher shutter speed so those two things combined made it feel jumpy.
30fps to me looks clearer. For my channel, I'm shooting 30fps.
This video came at the perfect time for me. I literally feel like I asked the universe for an answer and you uploaded this video. Thanks so much for this because I’ve been really debating what I should stick to. I use my iPhone a lot and it automatically goes to 60fps. I change it to 30fps to save space on my phone and I don’t see a huge difference, but using my dslr more, I’m seeing more difference. I think 24fpa adds to action shots. It makes it look more ‘exciting’. But for my narrative videos or interview videos, I like the 30fps better.
Which do you think is better for special effects and transitions?
Sidebar: Your daughter is adorable! 🥰
@@AzizaKibibi I think you'd want to move to higher fps for action. The 24fps perception I sense is more of a stutter than a jitter.. (?.!.)..
Neither. 60FPS because I don't know what I'm doing and it's the first one on the menu.
@thinkingpictures, film all of your footage @ 60 fps, edit your video on 30 fps timeline and export it @ 30 fps as Jeven described. Filming at 60 fps allows you to use any of your footage @ 120 fps slow-mo without having to film specifically @ 120 fps.
Also, any footage you film @ 60 fps and slow down on a 30 fps timeline will look really smooth 30, 60 and 120 fps all mesh together perfectly. Filming @ 60 fps and editing at 30 fps gives your footage a smooth look without looking like home video footage.
@@fredriksvard2603, export @ 30fps.
@@fredriksvard2603, exporting @ 60fps makes the video look like a home movie. Filming at 60, then editing and exporting @ 30 gives it a more “cinematic” look across all viewing formats. Where viewing 24fps on a 60Hz monitor or TV gives a more jittery appearance, where 30 fps @ 60Hz gives it that smooth cinematic look.
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@@WoodsmokeSelf-Reliance my first video was in 24p and watching it back on my 165hz display is cursed. But I’m starting to shoot 4K 30p and 24p for more cinematic shots, occasionally I’ll drop it down to 1080FHD 60p if I feel like I need the extra frames and 4K 30p is kind of what my camera is limited to.
I no joke was debating this for the last several weeks.
Lol, what's there to debate? Unless it's new to you. This has been established decades ago.
A quick google search or Alexa listening and tadaa... youtube knows what you need.
I"ve been thinking about this debate a lot over the last few years. Only super film geeks really feel they need to stick to the old 24 blur. Everyone else shrugs their shoulders and says I'll get used to it pretty quick".
My brother and I had a corporate video production company for over 30 years (now retired). We got involved, once or twice a year, in local and regional film festivals and soon the question came up from many of the producers...24 or 30fps. For us, it came down to how the movie is to be projected. Most were projected at 30, so we stayed at 30. But some diehards, wanting to get that cinematic look, insisted on 24. OK, but we found that the frame rate of the cinematic look was only a part of that look. Film itself has a different visual quality and lighting plays a huge role in the look. So, to avoid jitters and questionable benefits of 24 to get cinematic looks, we concentrated on other techniques and never looked twice at 24. And that is why I think you nailed it when pointing out that you need to assess how it is to be viewed.
Lots of good information here -- I just need to add one quip. The 180º shutter speed rule for motion blur matters if you're showing people moving around, which is why in your demo you were moving your hands constantly. But not so for sit-down interviews.
I shot a widely successful, feature-length doc absolutely ignoring the 180º rule for virtually all the interviews -- I chose instead to prioritize wide aperture / de-focused backgrounds, and I used higher shutter speeds to reduce the exposure (we didn't have any variable filters at our disposal). That film was later distributed by Warner Brothers and Netflix, won 12 film festival awards, and earned an 11-city national theatrical release. Not one person ever commented about the high shutter speeds in the interviews having created "jerky," or stuttered motion effects. When only a mouth is moving with the camera on sticks -- it's just not noticeable.
But again -- I'm talking about *interviews* not sports, not dance, not workouts. Thanks for the video.
I recently shot an intro for one of my videos and did this. I was outside, 1.2F, 100 ISO, and I think my frame rate was 1/2500 because I needed the shot darkened up. It worked out great until you saw my hands for a second, but even then they went back out of the shot and it wasn’t very distracting. I have no idea what I’m doing, but it worked for this one shot.
Thank you for sharing it so amateur film making enthusiasts like me can get some interesting insights!
Really great content Javen. New subscriber here and a new drone owner. As an engineer, I really appreciate the details you provide in your videos, but still able to present the information in a real, relatable way that makes sense the first time hearing it. Keep putting out great stuff!
Fantastic walkthrough, exactly the info we were looking for! Thanks Jeven! 😊
Thanks Jeven! Another "treasue" video from your cove. :) I'm just starting my motovlog channel and I think your videos alone raised the production value of my raw footage with like 20%. Keep it up! Also, that lil' girl is an angel. :)
Nicely done. Thanks for just giving the viewer the facts and the information for them to make a decision. So refreshing, so factual, so clearly presented. I trust you.
I have heard people say that 24 is great for "films" but 30 is better for speaking/vlogging
@@ayomaggotz but we can see the difference with 60fps. That's just so fluid you'll feel like your watching it live or are at the scene.
I would agree with you - I would say 30fps is perhaps better when there is more movement, e.g. family trips, I would shoot in 30fps and go down to 24/25fps for cinematic scenes.
60 makes me wanna throw up.
@@cmdr.shepard
Fully agree, I can’t watch it.
I think that 24 FPS works with slow camera movements with the scene not being in really far distance.
Thank you Jeven! I have been waiting for this video. So many big TH-camrs are married to 24 FPS. It sometimes sounds like it’s the only right thing to do. I have been using 30 FPS, and your video made me feel a lot better 👊
Absolutely! Me too
Love your content! Always helpful videos and I’ve tooken a lot of your advice and have used them on my videos. Thanks you and keep up the great work
I learned a lot from this video thanks, brother. I was experiencing some strange lag at 24fps after exporting. I attempted to be more cinematic for my Instagram/TikTok content but I'm sticking with 30-60 from now on.
Excellent video! I always shoot 30 as well. It makes it easier and more compatible to use 60 FPS shots slowed down by half for slow-mo clips.
Yep.
I checked out your footage of both 24p and 30p side by side and prefer the 30p. I'm watching on a 120hz monitor. I've even been experimenting with 60p. I'm pretty new at all of this and appreciate your taking the time to teach us the many tips and tricks you share.
I think I watched some other guy who noticed 30p videos on his channel are getting better views than 24p.
Great video. Thanks. I literally just shot my first 30fps video last week after always shooting 24fps. I'm sold on the switch. Especially as 90% of my content is walking around the mountains doing vlog style footage. Thanks and keep up the great work! 👍🏽
I have been watching several different TH-camrs on this subject and yours is the clearest explanation to me. Thanks!
Thanks for this video! When I first got into video, I wanted to shoot 24p because I wanted a cinema feel. But after watching your samples, I think I prefer 30p now. It just looks smoother, especially if there's some action going on. I do still subscribe to the shutter speed being twice the frame rate. It doesn't look right to me if the shutter speed is higher. So I still use a VND filter.
Finally!!! I was asking you about this for more than 2 years, man! ;D
Haha yeah I’ve wanted to make this for a while but wanted to give 24p a fair shot again and test some things out
Another excellent, thoughtful video. I’ve been shooting GoPro and Mavic video in 24p, but this video convinced me to move to 30p once all my current projects are completed.
BEST VIDEO I have ever seen on this subject!!! So informed and objective and very well explained!!! I tried 24 and it was too choppy with a lot of panning and quick camera moves-especially for TH-cam delivery. Those extra 6 frames in 30p are GOLD!!!
WOW, I absolutely love all the science you applied in this video to seeing the differences. the 30 almost always looks better to my eyes. When you were panning right, I could see the hangups, catches, glitches...whatever they're called on the 24. The 30 on the pan movement looked so much better. I am so sorry I said you were always telling us to use 24 on your community post.
That has everything to do with the type of viewing environment you have-mostly what type of monitor you use and how it displays that frame rate-and almost nothing to do with the original footage. Properly displayed, 24 fps looks just as "smooth" as 30 fps, with no stuttering.
30 fps way better when moving or panning!! Done my tests - not even close. Better motion-capture and sharper too!!
@@nathan43082 For TH-cam or watching on a PC no way 24 looks better. Choppy…especially when panning
@@Pfagnan it depends on the content. Sometimes it looks choppy, sometimes it looks fine on my computer monitor|.
However, 24 fps on my LG 4K in the living room is amazing. I have it set correctly for a movie theater experience, tested via a 240fps capture on my iPhone to verify it does what it's supposed to be doing with black frame insertions and no frame interpolation.
So,...we live in a 60hz world in the US. 24p looks fine,..."IF",....it's actually watched in "real" 24 frames per second. 24p is JUNK when watched on a 60hz monitor. Most PC systems and monitors are displaying in 60p and the 60p timing "SHEARS" or "slices" a frame in half every second. 24p cant fit in 60 hz without tearing a frame. 30p does NOT have this problem. When playing on a 60hz monitor, 30 frame is a PERFECT and "even" 1/2 rate. No mathematic "shredding" or "tearing" of any frames. This exact 1/2 rate is a perfect cadence and even fit. This is the major problem why 24p looks so bad on TH-cam when everybody is watching on a 60hz monitor. How many people send perfect 24p from a video card to your monitor? I bet ZERO. All our cards are outputting 60hz or maybe 120hz. Mystery solved!
Good point. I've been shooting 24fps (23.98whatever) and I might make the change to 30fps now.
This. So much this. The vast majority of monitors people are using are 60Hz nowadays, outside the US too. So 24 introduces stuttering as frames are interpolated.
Pretty much the only exception are high refresh rate monitors, which go by multiples of 30, 24, or neither. (or both in the case of 120Hz). But those are still by far the minority and most tech assumes 60Hz to be the default.
144 hz monitors are great for 24fps content due to this.
I still like films shot at 24 fps watching on my 60 Hz monitor (with 2/3 pulldown) rather than 30 fps on the same monitor. For vlogging, excercises etc. it doesn't matter, but if there is a story to tell, I'm immediatelly drawn in to it in 24 fps. In 30 fps I still wonder what's wrong... My 2 cents...
@@filipzamec9671 I care about the content, not the frame rate so higher simply looks better to me.
Fantastic info I was wondering. Thank you!
Great video, man! I probably speak for most of us new creators in that this video explained all I was wondering and more, effectively but comfortably. easy to follow, perfect length, and overall smooth! so thank you for that! Following for more!
If you like nature shots, putting a 30p footage on 24p at 80% speed looks sooo good though 👍 thanks for the insightful video!
Well how do I do that? 😅
@@Wonderousfaye you put your 30p footage into your 24p timeline and slow it down to 80%
Thanks for this video! I watched the others side by side, and am going to give the 30fps a go for the next few vlogs.
Great video! I just did the side by side of the 2 short vids you did on my two monitors and I prefer the 30fps overall. The 24 has some spots it does better but because I do a lot of different stuff I like your idea of just using one frame right for everything. I dig it. Thank you!
Excellent video! I learned so much. I’ll be subscribing. Keep up the great work 👍
PLEASE do a video on shooting in 60p and editing on a 24p vs 30p timeline. SO many people do this but there is not a SINGLE video out there highlighting this.....
I second this
Yes please this one !
I third this
Are you just interested or are you saying this is wrong?
@@Keefikus interested, as i shoot 60p so i have flexibility, but edit in a 30p timeline, but know some edit in 24p timelines, but not sure if this will negatively affect my video? more jittery etc, i just want an in-depth video on it
Everything about how creative we are. Great message jovan
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Really good video Jevan! Thank you! Very easy to understand and help with decision making. 😀
great explanation! Well done mate! thanks for sharing!
Good Video! You mentioned the screen refresh rate as one of the factors, but it is THE most important factor. This 2/3 pulldown makes the 24p very jittery on most laptops and smartphones, so 30p is much safer.
Right! If it's supposed to work universally on all platforms, 30fps is the way to go.
30p every time. 24p too jerky when panning especially - not enough frames! Great video btw!!!
But once TVs and phones/tables/screens in general all get to 120Hz will it even matter? 120/30=4 vs 120/24=5, whereas 60/30=2 and 60/24=2.5
@dkikac please help me solve my issue once and for all 🙏 I'm so frustrated with my drone videos looking jittery (that's why I watched this video). So it's actually because of my 60hz monitor playing 24fps video footage? So if I shoot in 30fps, it will look smooth on my monitor? I shot in 24fps because all the content creators say it looks more cinematic. I only shoot drone videos by the way.
Bingo that is the only reason you need
I've often thought of switching to 30fps..Thanks for sharing Jeven!
Just try to watch your 24 fps drone content at 1.25x speed and see for yourself. 24 * 1.25 = 30 fps ;-) Keep it up.
@@diman4010 You're a genius
Thanks for breaking this down to this level of comparison. Super helpful!
Great video and explanation. Thanks for making things simpler to understand and which path I want to take.
I’ve been agonizing over my choice of using 30p lately. I started out doing 24p and wanted to go back, but it always looked jerky to me. Even when using the 180* rule, the footage never looked quite “motion blurry” enough for me. It starts to look normal at 30, so that’s just what I had decided to stick with. This video confirmed that for me.
@@chrislee6650 I realized my error from 11 months ago was a setting in my camera was wrong. When I set the ISO to auto in my canon m3, it would change the frame rate with it, even in manual mode. When I started shooting in full manual, I started getting much better results.
Do you currently shoot at 24 or 30?
@@MumenRider78 I’ve been shooting almost everything at 24p lately and I’ve been liking it more and more
Depends on WHAT you're shooting. A movie or something that you want to look like a nostalgic, classic, timeless story? 24. News, sports, vlogging, something that you want to look immediate, today, up to the minute? 30.
Wouldn't grading be more obvious/useful than frame rate for the criteria you mentioned? Messing around with Fuji's film settings at 30fps has produced some interesting and fun results for me, and I'm not sure 24fps would have made much difference.
@@patrickfitzgerald2861 not really. The same grading can be done for either. You can have a heavier and more stylized grade, but if the movement is off from the frame rate than you'll feel it immediately no matter the grade.
How about a travel film if ever?
How do you do when you want to mix 30fps or 24 fps look with a few pieces of slow motion in the same video?
Great work Jeven, I like the efforts on the analytic work you did behind this vlog, and the good presentation of the conclusions. It's also good to take away that 24p or 30p does not really matter. But I have some feedback regarding a nightmare in editing work. In my last video I was shooting in 30FPS with the drone, and my friend used a Nikon and shooting with 24FPS. This mix of footage in a 30FPS timeline was a nightmare, when I tried to mix the footage, finally I was overriding the 25FPS to 30FPS, as some watcher cannot really recognize.
Thanks Jeven, nice video!
I experienced this same thing when I started shooting 24fps when I got my Sony a7iii. Everyone out there says use 24, but everything I shot looked jittery. I noticed that this happened with movement such as panning. 30fps has looked better, so that’s what I’ve been using for years. I think about movies and the cameras seem to not move too much, that could be why there’s a difference between that and what we see with our own cameras moving around a lot more. Cool video
Pro Hollywood type expensive cams have global shutter vs the shutter everyone else uses called 'rolling shutter'.
No question! I always shoot 30 or 60. 24 is too jerky and not smooth at all for TH-cam or on a PC
Maybe your 24 is actually 23.976 ...
I've been shooting 30fps since I started. I understand the whole cinematic view with 24fps but I just found 30 to be bit more smooth, bit more pleasing to the eye
Yes 30fps is smoother. Its 30fps, not 24fps.
Great stuff as usual! Love this channel!
There is always something new to learn from your videos. Thanks Jeven.
I settled for 30 FPS. 24 FPS looks jerky on my 60 FPS monitor. And it's much less forgiving on drone footage when you move around quicker.
Hi there! From Italy. I watched your video tests and definitely decide to switch to 30 fps on my GH5, also if in Europe we have 50Hz AC and not 60Hz as in the States. Most of the content we watch today is surely on 60hz devices. Thanks for your video.
amazing useful video! thank you Jeven !
Hi Jeven - Good video explaining the difference between these two frame rates and the 180 degrees rule. I’ve always used 30 FPS but wondered if I should be using 24 FPS. Thanks for clearing that up.
Great question... People say 24fps looks more cinematic but I really can’t tell the big difference and 30fps is giving me that room to slow down my footage to 70-80%
This was the first breakdown video I watched from you and I am really impressed about the derivation!
As a german european i am used to 25 fps. But both speeds, 25 fps and 30 fps have the disadvantage of not being very divisible. I like to combine animations (cgi or handmade) with real footage and often divide seconds into fractions to synchronize e.g. acceleration or other motion sequences.
And for this the number 24 is virtually predestined - whether for halves, quarters or eighths.
OK, this is not a visual but a purely technical reason. But maybe also an aspect for the choice of speed :)
Cheers!
It's European vs US because of indoors light frequency is different in Europe than US, which comes from current frequency 50Hz - 24/25 fps doesn't cause flickering in Europe. And it's 60 Hz in US so 30 fps doesn't cause flickering in the US. But filming outside is a matter of choice, yes.
@@filmowewyprawy No, that has NOTHING to do with flickering. Flickering is all about shutter speed, not frame rate. It is not 24/25 fps that avoids flickering in Europe. It is the 1/50 shutter speed that usually goes along. You can use 30 fps with 1/50 shutter speed and won't have any flickering at all in Europe.
@@tomarse84 Each of those is something PER SECOND. 1 Hz is 1x/s. Framerate is per second. If they're not in sync, you're going to catch a flick in your movie. It's not that you can't set it up - 30fps in Europe. It's that that it's going to cause flickering in the movie. Well, unless your movie is under 1 second long ;)
@@tomarse84 thats not true. If you divide a 50Hz sine wave in 25/50/100 frames for example, you can set every possible shutter speed as every frame will always be exposed to the same total light intensity.
Its shutter speed OR frame rate wich have to match the mains frequency
@@Skullizer You're right, I've been mistaken. With 25/50/100 fps you can use every shutter speed, with 30 fps you have to stick to 1/50 or 1/100. Still worth the judderfree experience of 30 fps (viewed on 60 Hz screens).
Long story short...when I first started this channel in Jan I was wingin' EVERYTHING, just guessing and learning as I went. One of the very first pieces of advice was "always shoot in 24" so, just did. Literally didn't know WHY just that I was "supposed" to. Learned a bit since and I'm kinda wanting to switch to 30 just to see what, it any, difference it makes. Too teeny of channel to be getting any constructive criticism from viewers yet so I'm still trying to watch my own stuff and attempt to figure out what might be working and what isn't. Info like this definitely helps by giving me something else to add to my limited, but slowly growing knowledge base. Thanks for sharing!
Excellent tutorial! You said everything I felt but couldn't articulate. Thank you.
I always ask myself this question before choosing 24 vs 30fps. Is the final product just suppose to represent real life (for example, any narrative work) or is it suppose to be real life (for example, a documentary, or vlog)? That pretty quickly determines what frame rate I'll be shooting at. 30fps is closer to how we actually see in real life (though 60fps is a lot closer) where as 24fps tends to make people feel like they're almost watching something unworldly. Of course there is exceptions for me. I'm currently filming a documentary that will be delivered in 24fps. The reason I chose to do so is because I want people to almost feel as if they're watching a narrative film in terms of its overall artistic quality. 24fps almost has a strange dreamy effect to it.
Is the end result available to see? I do mini documentaries...
I think it's a bit funny to say that 60 or even 30 fps are what "we actually see in real life" when the difference between a 60, 144 and even 360 FPS picture are incredibly noticeable even to an untrained eye.
I once Heard you could shot it in 30fps and render it 24fpf
I’m so glad you covered this topic. I agree, 30 looks better.
Jeven, that was sick. Personnaly I share your feelings about 24 and 30 but I don't do a lot of vlogging, and I'm too in love with the feeling of the 24p, the emotion that the viewer gets when recording in 24p is phenomenal whereas 30p, as you said, it is more like an interview or sport documentary.
I love this kind of content, still gives a technical aspect but it also gives a more personal introspection. You are complementaring the Gerald Undone chanel and this works well. Thank you again.
amazing video - made everything clear and easy to understand - Thank You!!
Nice breakdown 👍🏻
Yooo good to see you here! Love your vids
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Been looking for quite a while why it is called the "180-degree rule" since Google came up with a completely different meaning (more like the angle something is filmed from). Thanks for explaining the rotating disc thingie!
The 180-degree rule IS actually something different in filmmaking. It means that you are not supposed to cross the axis-of-action between two subjects when filming or else you'll get improper screen direction in editing. I get what he's trying to convey, but it might be better if he described it as the 180-degree shutter rule so as not to be confusing.
@@cinesmithfilms9321 Thanks for this clear answer.
Great content, Jeven. Thank you
Awesome video, well done
I shoot main/subject stuff at 24p. I shoot all my b-roll at 30p. The reason for this is if I conform my 30p b-roll to 24p on a 24p timeline you get this 'almost' slow motion footage that looks great, and is perfect for b-roll. If I don't want to conform it then the 30p looks almost just as good as 24p on a 24p timeline, without the issues you would get if you tried it with 60fps etc.
On my DJI Pocket 2, 24fps is very jittery when panning. I started doing 30 for most of my clips and I think you are right. Not too much difference in motion blur between 24 and 30. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Great video, you have now a new follower, your way of explaining technology is so clear and crisp as 30 fps, so my friend, I will watch and learnd from now on with your videos and apply them to my new mini 2 drone. Congrats!!
Great analysis! Thank you for sharing this
I mostly do 24...but this makes sense especially if one is filming action or at an amusement park or something....great info
30p for me although I love the look of 24 for static and minimal movement shots.
If it's static, how could you even tell the diff?
Brand new to filming and I’ve been trying to understand these nuances. This video has been super helpful for that!
great breakdown, thanks Jeven
When I started vlogging I figured I would always do 24fps... the more videos I've made the more I've started shooting in 30fps For action and vloggin videos, panning even... 30fps also makes sense for people viewing on today's traditional displays since most are 60hz refresh rate displays. Unpopular opinion to many cinematic video peeps but I do find 30fps to be the perfect amount of smooth without losing motion blur.
I like and agree with everything you said but if i can get your opinion (not a debate) to educate me. I much prefer the film blur to go away and prefer sharper images. Why is it so important to film enthusiasts? People buy new tv's just so they can get a sharper image.
@@frankjoyce76 move your hand in front of your face back and forth. You'll notice your hand turns into a blur at high speeds. This is why people shoot at a shutter speed around 1/60th for 30fps to create a video that closely matches what the human eye sees. If capturing detail of moving objects and being less realistic is not a negative, you can shoot higher frame rates and shutter speeds. A caveat when you loose blur is you tend to also loose a sense of speed for the objects in your videos. A little blur is nice imo to make it feel natural.
@@alexvanderkooy i get it now.. thanks it makes sense.
Do you edit your 30fps footage on a 24 or 30 timeline?
@@johnyk2343 30fps timeline for 30fps footage otherwise you may as well just shoot at 24fps.
Great breakdown Jeven! I vote 30fps - nice balance. (The 24fps definitely looks pretty jittery on my end)
I'm so glad you said this. I'm not a film geek but rather an engineer. I hear "this is how we've done it for the last 110 years" but to me its just an outdated limitation.
@@frankjoyce76 Makes 100% sense. I do like the feel of films, and if thats 24 or 9000, I don't "care", i just like it. But engineerining and art is a widely gapped study. I think "the way it was done for 100 years" is sometimes a good excuse.
I think that if time and money are not a big concern, shoot as fast as you possibly can. I think in 100 years they'll probably just shoot a thousand frames a second, so they can then compress/create whatever motion blur they want/slow motion if desired, and yet I still think 24 FPS will be a popular "film presentation" format on the final export.
Uh , this is also 3:2 pulldown, the 24p at 60 Hz refresh rate .
@@frankjoyce76 Yes 24p is old school. We have progressed since the early film days in the 30’s and 40’s with their mechanical shutters! I use either 30p or 60p. Many advantages
Great info man! Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video. I've wondered about which frame rate to use for a while now, and you were super informative and knowledgeable on the subject, so I appreciate you!
Great Video! I personally can't stand 24p or 25p here on TH-cam, because, as you said, most screens have a refresh rate of 60 herz,
and that just causes any movement to stutter. While it might not be on some shots, its still very unpleasing to me, and so I think 30p is the perfect option.
Some time ago I actually made a video about this too ("Why 24 FPS is NOT the BEST FRAMERATE for TH-cam VIDEOS", you might have even seen it),
and I still think it's important to spread the message that 24 or 25 isn't "THE ONLY OPTION", and everything else gets hated.
Unfortunately, I can't find this video of yours on your channel. Beautiful videos, though. Greetings from Vienna
@@tomarse84 As I plan on making an updated version, it was set to private for a while. I've just made it public again :)
@@JonathanMacher Richtig, richtig gut! Not only is it funny, it is also so more true than all of the 24p cinematic blabla out there. 24p does make sense. But only if you display it in cinemas or on screens that are able to refresh at 24/48/96/120 Hz or other multiples of 24. So, in most cases, 30p is the best choice.
I think it gets especially obvious with videos that include a lot of steady movement, like drone videos. 24/25p drone videos are the worst when it comes to judder.
@@tomarse84 Well said 👏
@@JonathanMacher As you use clips from Peter McKinnon and others in your video, can you quickly explain to me how you capture these clips? Do you simply do a screen recording and use that in your timeline, or is there a more elegant way?
Very important question. Fps anxiety is real man!
another smashing video thanks!
Really appreciate your thorough approach, thank you! :)
Great Vid, thank you. I’m in Europe to I shoot in PAL 25fps
I'm also pal and shoot 30 or 50 if the camera allows and edit/deliver 25. Looks fine and always have the option for smooth slow mo.
@@bradcoetzee I'm also having exactly the same personal decision making recently with myself - Also looking at the 25fps to work (post production/edit) in 'most' of the time. Appreciate that even though I'm PAL based/UK based, 100% of my production is watched online, so it almost doesn't matter on that front. However, I do notice that shooting in buildings/offices, the frequency of the house lights becomes a pain in the butt sometimes, and I am forced to adapt my shutter/FPS. Anyway, that is another discussion. One thing I'm trying to get clear in my head on this topic though - If I shoot everything at 50fps in camera (with shutter speed 100 to maintain the 180º rule) then dropping that footage into a 25fps sequence then Premiere will only be using exactly half the frames, but there would be no/little motion blur you may expect from a true 25fps clip. Although it provides me a lovely option to play any clip half speed (without audio obviously) I'm questioning the downside of always conforming to 25fps (and shooting at 50fps).
@@Audiotechnical I am in Europe also . Do you need to shoot pal to avoid the light flickering?
@@theopats2660 it certainly is a fix, if you notice a ‘flicking’ in the background of certain shots/scenes. The other issue I’ve found is that if an office/room has a dimmer function, that really messes up the frequency if you don’t have them on 100% power.
Did you guys rendered your videos in 24fps?
Us europeans : What is 30p? We got 25 over here :)
If you plan to show your videos through a TV broadcaster on a TV screen, yes, go for 25p. If you plan to show them through a computer or smart phone, they will ALL play them back at 30p/60p regardless of your footage frame rate.
@@jorgenbjerke Exactly. But there's the issue of flickering lights. As soon as you want to film something with artificial lights in 50Hz land, you really want to go with 50fps, IMHO. Not sure how to make this flickering go away in post.
@@fhajji My experience there is yes, you have som flickering, but not much IMHO.
@@fhajji i watched a video recently where this problem was discussed. he ended up recommending shooting with 30fps or 60fps cause smartphones and laptops have 60 hz monitors like jeven said in this video. and for the problem with the lights flickering he said try using 1/50 shutterpseed to compensate that. there wouldnt be much difference in motion blure using 1/50 instead of 1/60.
so 30 fps and 1/50 shutter speed or 60 fps and 1/100 shutter speed.
i didnt tried myself yet but i want to do in the next days
@@LouG2403 The flickering happens when the lights (including from monitors) flicker at a different rate than the shutter speed. The shutter is bound to capture moments when the lights are briefly off, because it is not exactly synchronized to the lights periodic flickering.
If the shutter speed is the same (or an integer multiple of) the lights flickering, you are guaranteed to capture the lights being always on (or always off), but not flickering.
Now, in 60 Hz land, every artificial light flickers at that frequency. If you shoot at 30fps or 60fps, you'll see no flickering. But if you shoot at 25fps or 50fps, you will. And vice-versa in 50 Hz land.
Sometimes, you will get flickering anyway, when lights are not hooked to the power grid, but are powered by a generator: for example, LEDs in buses and cars usually flicker, because these generators aren't exactly at 60 Hz (or 50 Hz), but something in-between, thus never meeting exactly the camera's shutter speed presets.
I saw a tutorial showing that to get rid of that in post, you can copy the entire clip, shift it one (1) frame forward or backward, and merge both copies into one. I have yet to try it.
Great job! You speak clearly and you’re easy to understand. Thanks!
Thanks for the explanation. I’m new to this space - and haven’t really payed much attention up until now. Going to try change some of the settings on my GoPro and experiment with my next few videos. 👊🏼
What do you find the optium for shooting fast motion, as in a sporting event like, football, basketball, track, etc..?
Thank you;
60fps can be better for this, give it a try.
I'm gonna go with 30fps. Feels smoother
Brilliant video! I’m convinced that 30fps is the way forward for my vids. Whilst I did like the cinematic effect when recently shooting in 24fps, I got some weird artefacting going when with the propellor at certain RPM. Thanks for putting this video together Jeven. Thanks Andy.
Super helpful! Thank you!
I'm glad you also like 30fps. i do also because I shoot for news and 60ps gives me a damn headache. Recently started vlogging and 30fps looks gooood
yeah 60ps looks weird, so some videos in that and I didnt like it at all.
24fps gives me a headache because i am used to 240fps lol
60fps i the least acceptable framerate, the higher the better.
@@ERDude no its not, if its not in slow motion it looks really terrible.
So when comparing the two clips I kinda find the 30 fps has a more home video, amateur feel to it. Can't pin point why but everything feels a bit more jerky maybe.
Thanks for the video Jeven. 2-3 years ago I had the exact same thought-pattern. I always was hearing how 24p looks cine-like etc. but for my purposes (not vlogging) 30p worked the best and still does. 24P may have some advantages (though I can't really say what those would be) but all in all 30p is much more painless and NO it does not look soap-opera-like. Besides, in post there's a lot you can do with grading to make 30p look more cine-like.
This was enlightening. Thanks for explaining things. Much appreciated.
Love this! I think I may switch to 30fps as well!
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I like the look of 30 better. But I shoot on 24 because i usually shoot on gopro or phone (small sensors) which lets me lower the shutter from 1/60 to 1/50 so slightly better low light performance. It's all about the compromises with small sensors.
The flip side is that the stabilization on an action camera like a GoPro suffers at slower shutter speeds.
@@JeffPelletier definitely. Hypersmooth is unusable at 1/50 shutter. I use a gimbal. Using a GoPro has made me jump through so many hoops to get it to where I like. It's been a good learning tool. I'd love something better but my ~$750 GoPro setup/work around methods gives me pretty decent results.
@@Kryptic1189 it’s all about overcoming the limitations of these silly little cameras, isn’t it? Frustrating but they are amazing tools in the right circumstances.
@@JeffPelletier Yep I agree. Super fun to use.
Great Content Bro!
Great visually scientific analysis -- thanks for the thought-provoking comparisons. Looking now to compare 60fps versus 30 and 24 to use for different subjects. Thanks!!!
I've done my comparisons too and decided to stick to 30. To me, 24 looks kind of old.
Jeven, this was an amazing video. I learned so much and I am so appreciative. I didn't even realize that there would be a big difference on these 2 settings.
I think the 30p is the overall winner. I'm going to compare on the Mini 2 drone.
Your little lady is so cute. I miss those days, mine are now 18 & 22! . Time flies.
Thanks again, big fan of your channel. CHEERS from Canada!
This seems like an aesthetic choice, based on the style and content of the shooter. I began in film, and that has shaped the way I see things. Though I fully understand how online content might work better at 30fps. Love your work.
I remember in film school in the 90s we hated that all we had (non-film cameras) were SVHS cut they looked awful with 30fps. We found a way to get get European 25fps cameras (PAL) just to get a more 'cinematic' feel vs. 30fps. There was a company in LA who converted 30fps to 24fps. It's just odd that now some people want to go back to 30fps. I don't get it, it feels like video to me.
to me, 24fps looks really jerky, almost annoying. It's like watching a Charlie Chaplin movie or something
Easy. 24fps just looks plan bad. The 24fps to 60fps (most phone and monitors are natively 60fps) conversion looks jerky and juddery on motion and pans. Some die hards might be used to it, but, the rest of us who watch silky smooth 60fps see 24fps jerky, juddery, and just plain archaic.
Just remember, 24fps was selected as the standard 100years ago as an acceptable compromise between film use (film was very expensive at the time) and an acceptable 'suspension of disbelief', not because 24fps looks great, because it doesnt.
If you film in 60fps, as you should, and still wan the soft jerky juddery pans of 24fps, just add this in post.
Filming in 30fps is much better than 24fps, looks nearly as good as 60fps in most circumstances, and the conversion between 30fps and the typical 60fps display device, is vastly better than the 24 to 60fps conversion.
@@nordic5490 Films have been 24fps since the beginning of time. 24fps doesn't look "bad."
@@ronineditor9920 24fps totally looks bad on playback devices that don't use multiples of 24 as their rate of frame turnout, and most phones and personal computers have 60hz screens, not 48, 72 or 96. Even 20fps looks better than 24 on a 60hz screen, just because of smooth frame turnout pace.
@@igoresque I completely disagree that it looks bad. It's been 24 fps for almost 100 years and I think it looks great. Each to their own I guess.
I shoot 30 and 60, I'll continue to shoot 30 because some of my cameras can't do 60
This was super helpful!
this is good info, a lot of points were cleared up