Targaryen Dragons Timeline & Family Tree Explained
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- There are atleast 28 dragons in the House of the Dragon and we showcase to you the timeline of each one of them. The series will depict dragons wielded as both protectors of various Targaryen factions but also as almighty weapons wielded in a war dubbed the Dance of the Dragons, a years-long campaign for succession among the various Targaryen claimants to the Iron Throne - a war that will prove tragic for all involved, human and dragon alike.
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Crazy to think Dreamfyre would get her other eggs hatched centuries later, making them also siblings of Meleys and Caraxes
No wonder they are wild bunch like their older siblings, Drogon is like Caraxes and Rhaegal is much like Meleys. Is suppose Viserion is female like mommy Dreamfyre. Ahh dracarys!
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Odd though if we consider that Dany allegedly knows that all her Dragons are male.. what makes you think Viserion is a girl, might I ask? 🤔
@@thalmoragent9344 the least wild of them.
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I mean, even females can be aggressive in nature. Not as often but they're no secret to it.
And not to mention Viserion acts like basically a big, scaly cat. A chill, sleepy boi. And gets aggressive if anyone threatens Dany, of course. So basically, like any Big or House Cat, but well, more emotional I guess, as a Dragon and not a Feline of course
What‘s about that: “Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.”
its stated that dreamfyre was a very fertile dragon who laid many clutches of eggs, she had two by 43 AC and another somewhere in 49-50 AC. She had so many eggs it became an issue of trust for her rider Rhaena, who saw people either wanted the eggs for themselves or to get rid of them because they were afraid of being over run by dragons. George RRM stated that we would discovery the identity of Drogon, Viserion, and Rhaegal's mother and Dreamfyre is the only one to fit as she had so many eggs and was the only one who had her eggs stolen.
Also the *green* dragon egg taken by Deamon is quite possibly Rhaegal himself. the other possibility is actually Moondancer as they are the only two green dragons. I find it unlikely however as Rhaegal's egg "is a deep green, with burnished bronze flecks that comes and goes depending on how Daenerys turns it." and Moondancer "was a slender pale green. Her horns, crest and wingbones were pearl."
Edit: i completely forgot Elissa stole the three eggs before Baelon was born, so its either a nameless dragon that never hatches or moondancer.
I thought the egg that Daemon took in the show which is golden would eventually be given to Visery's first born son Aegon and become Sunfyre and (spoiler warning)(foreshadowing)
@@crashglassbar5879 it was green not golden.
in episode 2 we saw Rhaenyra take back the egg Deamon stole and place it in a fire pit so it can't be Rhaegal, i imagine it will hatch soon mind!
@@jimmymcgill2557 did you read my edit? X'D
i have now lol Dany's eggs were said to be from near Asshai, probally Stygai as there are dragons and all sorts of crazy things there! either way maybe we'll find out later in the show, i wonder how may seasons we'll get and when the 'dance' will be.
Actually I remember George RR Martin clarifying that dragons were kinda like frogs and that they can change their sex when necessary to reproduce
Caraxes is a mutant among his kind.
An outcast just like Daemon is among his kin and so am I in my family. I love it.
not in the books.
Oh bloody hell. You threw yourself into it.
So, is it safe to say based on A Dance with Dragons, Caraxes fighting with Vhagar is like you fighting your grandmother?
This is too funny
And Vhagar killing Arrax is like a great grandmother killing her great grandchild.
@@nasirisrarhussain4477 Vhagar: So you see i killed my granddaughter and grandgradson
I dont think dragons understand this
@@mursi2734 which grand daughter did she kill?
Due to color patterns, dates and sexes we know of:
- *_Balerion_* and *_Meraxes_* ===> _Dreamfyre_ ♀, _Quicksilver_ ♂and _Silverwing_ ♀ .
- *_Vhagar_* and *_Balerion_* ===> _Vermithor_ ♂ and _Sheepstealer_ ♂ .
Silverwing and Dreamfyre are the only females, Vermithor is the only male left as Quicksilver dies young and Sheepstealer was wild and lived away from the rest. So:
- *_Vermithor_* + *_Silverwing_* ===> _Syrax_ ♀ , _Sunfyre_ ♂ and _Grey Ghost_ ♂,
- *_Vermithor_* + *_Dreamfyre_* ===> _Meleys_ ♀, _Caraxes_ ♂, 3 eggs of Daenerys, _Seasmoke_ ♂and _Tessarion_ ♀.
For the last generation of dragons:
- *_Caraxes_* + *_Syrax_* ===> _Vermax_ ♂/♀?, _Moondancer_ ♀ , _Stormcloud_ ♂ and _Morning_ ♀
- *_Syrax_* + *_Seasmoke_* ===> _Tyraxes_ ♂and _Arrax_ ♂.
- *_Tessarion_* + *_Sunfyre_* ===> _Shrykos_ ♀ and _Morghul_ ♂
From Morning came 5 more short live dragons till the "Last Dragon" a green unamed female that died young leaving 5 eggs that never hatched.
Wait so vermithor kill his own son, and caraxes kill his grandma sheee....
I agree with this for the most part - but we know from source materials that Meleys had eggs as she was dubbed 'the red queen' and only those who had eggs got that moniker. Seasmoke may have come from Meleys and why Laenor got to keep his dragon as it came from his mother's dragon and out of the reach of the Dragonkeepers / royal family. Also - QuickSilver is described as a she-dragon.
Dude, if Morning is the last dragon left, who did she mate with to lay eggs? Or maybe Dragons lay eggs without mating? Or perhaps both, and would explain why they kept getting smaller.
It is possible that Cannibal is Quicksilver's clutch mate and might explain his hostility towards other dragons. Maybe he went berserk after Balerion killed his mate so is now hostile to the rest of his father's brood.
The books dont say ANY of that. Is pure theories and lies.
More over qhen we dont know how dragons biology works.
Its very unlikely that Meraxes just had 1 egg... almost certainly, Silverwing (and perhaps Dreamfyre too) also came from Meraxes clutch of eggs. Saying this cause Meraxes was white and golden, Silverwing was silver, and so was Quicksilver. Silverwing is the mother of Syrax and Sunfyre which, based on color pattern, further support the argument that Silverwing has to be Meraxes "daughter" and Syrax and Sunfyre her "grand-children".
Grey Ghost is most likely (due to color) the son of Silverwing as well, thus also a descendant of Meraxes.
From where did the red from caraxes and meleys appeared tho? No other dragon before them was red?
@@mursi2734 Vermithor's bronze or Sheepstealer's brown mixed with whichever paler female they had the eggs with maybe? Or an unnamed ancestor passed down a red scale gene? GRRM also describe Vhagar as Bronze with green-blue highlights once.
@@DraconimLt while i can understand it with vermithor sheep stealer is younger than caraxes and meleys i think.
@@mursi2734 maybe, maybe not. Sheepstealer hatched 'in or after 34 AC', it never said when Caraxes did at all (though he was both 'young' and rideable in 72 AC), from this I always thought Sheepstealer was at least slightly older than Caraxes, but now looking in more detail, I'm not so sure!
Vermithor was hatched in 34-35 AC, and was 'nearly 100' years old when he died in 130 AC. Sheepstealer was hatched 'in or after 34 AC' and 'well over 50' at the start of the Dance. Problem is this isn't specific, and we don't know the exact year or how much over 50. We DO know that Sheepstealer hatched when King Jaehaerys I Targaryen "was still young", and he was born IN 34 AC, so Sheepstealer could have hatched anytime in the next 20-30 years really! In other words, he could be anywhere from the same age as Vermithor to several years younger than Caraxes!
Depends on the dates Caraxes and Sheepstealer hatched, which we don't know.
They could even be siblings from the same clutch for all we know! Makes sense if they and Meleys were siblings by colours: red, red, and brown. More sense than the random colours in this vid at least.
From that Vermithor probably is older. Probably old enough to be Caraxes parent at least, maybe even Sheapstealer's, if he is 'only' 70ish to Vermithor's almost 100, though that would mean he was born *way* after 34 AC, in about 60 AC... we just don't know enough to be sure, which is why this vid is just pure guesswork.
@@DraconimLt What would happen if you mix the silver of silverwing and the bronce of vermithor? which colors would get created
Yes just what I’ve been looking for… thanks 🙌🏾
Makes sense that Drogon was so large then, as he came from a Dragon before they had started to become stunted.
I find it interesting that caraxes and meleys are siblings yet look totally different.
They are both red at least!
@@piratesswoop725 and im pretty sure both are said to be fierce.
One is deformed.
@@dannypatrick9361 Not deformed. He's just built different.
@@batperson3532 built diffy
It was said in episode 2 that the egg Daemon stole was from Dreamfyre.
The three eggs that were stollen was way before this and were stollen from Rhaena Targaryen when she was living on Dragonstone and were stollen by Elissa Farman one of her friends and she sold them in Essos to buy her ships and a crew. The Farmans were the worst especially her brother Androw but thank god she stole them because I think they are Daenerys's 3 dragons.
@@JL48151 many theories.... also those eggs that were shipped to essos
Dragons like Quicksilver did came from Meraxes and probably also did Syrax and Sunfyre since they were golden and white like Meraxes. Eggs can hatch later on, 20 years after doesnt really mean much. They can be holded and wait to be hatched later on.
It’s not 20yrs, it’s 80🤨
@@Lookie752 ?? No, the age difference between Quicksilver and Dreamfyre or Silverwing is around 20-30 years, not 80. Silverwing and Quicksilver were probably from the same clutch of eggs laid by Meraxes. Syrax and Sunfyre also come from Meraxes line, but not in the same Generation as Quicksilver, most like they were their offspring or that of Silverwing based on dates and coloring. All this dragons are golden/silver in color like Meraxes, suggesting they are directly related.
@@Alejojojo6 Yep.
Meraxes
Quicksilver, Dreamfyre, Silverwing
Syrax, Sunfyre
My personal headcannon:
First of, I think Dreamfyre is the mother/grandmother of like 90% of the HOTD era dragons since she laid a ridiculous amount of eggs.
It doesn't really matter who laid Dreamfyre's egg though. It could be Vhagar, Meraxes, or maybe her egg was laid by an older dragon before Aegonls conquest.
I do, however, think she is the mother of (at least) Meleys, Seasmoke and Dany's trio, to name a few. (Seasmoke does look a lot like Dany's three dragons, and Dreamfyre is like a carbon copy). Caraxes could have come from her as well.
I wonder if Syrax is the offspring of Silverwing. Maybe it'll be revealed when we finally see Silverwing and what she looks like.
Caraxes has to be from dreamfyers clutch since him and meleys come from the same clutch
I am soooo glad someone finally came up with a dragon family tree!!!! I feel like dreamfyre is the dam to most of the younger ones
except it extremely inaccurate seeing as its confirmed that dragons are genderless and can lay eggs by themselves
@@matthewmonteiro6736 I just block that out of the lore 🤷🏻♂️ in certain situations I can go along with them changing sex, but nah in my head they mate.
@@matthewmonteiro6736 also only a few are known to have laid eggs in the book. You’d think most of them would have laid eggs or at least all the older ones if they were gender less
@@matthewmonteiro6736 I think they have gender. It's just that males can't give birth, but it's possible to be stronger. And the females continue the race but without having sx
Well, this tree is somewhat speculative to be honest, apart from Syrax -> Morning, no relation is explicitly stated in the books.
Kuddos however to the author, this tree seems to be quite logical in terms of timeline and coherent with the few clues we get from the books. But it fairness, I would have liked a disclaimer stating this is a theory.
I do think Dragon sex is a real thing especially to mix the genes of different kinds in the gene pool. However it may not be necessary for the eggs to hatch. I'm pretty sure Caraxes was father of Vermax,Arrax etc. They look like a mixture between the sets of genes Caraxes and Syrax would bring.
I like to think of them like chickens
when syrax lay their eggs caraxes was very far away but seasmoke was in kingslanding.
@@leventmerlinsavana4554 That’s an interesting observation. But it’s clear by the design that they’re meant to be Syrax and Caraxes offspring.
In the show we know Syrax laid at least one clutch of eggs. We know this as Rhaenyra tells Viserys and Alicent that if syrax brings fourth *another* clutch then Aemond can have one of the eggs.
Dragons tend to lay in clutch’s of three. We see this with Drogon, Rhaegal and viserion. We see it with the clutch Daemon found (they were probably Stormcloud, Morning and little viserys egg which never hatched).
So it’s safe to assume Vermax, Arrax and Tyraxes were all laid in the same clutch of eggs. Jace had a cradle egg which means Syrax probably laid her eggs before Jace was even born. There would have been enough time for Caraxes to have got Syrax pregnant.
Plus we don’t know when Daemon actually left, was it a day or 3 years after Rhaenyras wedding?
Can dragons store sperm like reptiles in our own world?
How did Dreamfyre make prince Baelons egg? It was only her and Syrax in the dragonpit at the time. The only possible explanation would be Caraxes when he came to visit her from the vale.
@@leventmerlinsavana4554 Sorry for such the long explanation. In short, I think Syrax and Caraxes mated on Rhaenyras wedding night. Then syrax gave birth to a clutch of three dragons around the time jace was born (around a year after the wedding). That clutch would have been Vermax, Arrax and Tyraxes. Dragons usually give birth to three eggs at a time, I doubt Rhaenyra would throw them away. They probably just kept them.
Although I might have to rewatch the scene where Jace and Luke pick out Joffreys egg. I’m not sure if they picked one of Syrax’s or a random egg from the dragonpit.
Meraxes is definitely the mother to dreamfyre as they look like Drogon and his siblings. Dreamfyre is the mother of Seasmoke (the same resemblance as him), Drogon, Viserion, and Rhaegal…I’m sure there’s a lot more who were hatched from Dreamfyre’s clutch as she was the most fertile female dragon aside from Syrax
Dreamfyre born nearly 20 years after the death of Mera es. Ironic, Vhagar is the ancester of all Targaryens dragons, but Viseyna line after her son. Rhaenys is the ancestor of all Targaryens, but the line of Meraxes end with Quicksilver.
I find it mind blowing how there’s still a big chunk of map still unexplored and how there’s still could or be more mística beings out there too for all we know there’s so much still there’s places on the future books panda with úntame dragons
Very well explained 👍🏻
I feel like meraxes laid more eggs cause there are three breeds of dragons and since balerion had similar skull shape to drogon and vhagar I think has the horse like skull ( judging by the trailer) similar to syrax and meraxes should have the canine like features similar to caraxes I don't maybe
Good video :)))
All The House of Dragon Dragons, brilliant, U could not have thought of any better way at saying that. Im speechless, we need more people like this in our world.
So did you personally commission that absolutely gorgeous dragon infographics that you show throughout the video (Like for Balerion or the Cannibal), or are they from an official book? I would definitely like to see more of them!
After Vhagar im want sooo much see Balerion the Black Dread
@@targonyt7258 and I think we will eventually I hate waiting but I guess that's all that we can do hopefully they make a HBO TV series of the conquest
Very informative... This can b asked in our exams.... Thank u
GRR has said there's 3 types of dragon, 3 different breeds. Dreamfire couldn't be in the same line as Carxies/Drogon as the latter are different breeds.
It depends on how dragon genetics works. It could be that if dragons of two different breeds are bred together, you would have some of one breed and some of other in the clutch rather than crossbreeds
Caraxes isnt one of those types, they already said he is defective and couldnt even fly properly if it wasnt for his leg wings
@@guifdcanalli He is the “wolf skull” type. He’s just got a long neck, we will see more with his skull but a shorter neck and less serpentine body.
@@joshuaadams6565 his skull is one thing, his body shape is another, the producers said Caraxes is somewhat deformed
@@s8theninjawarrior916 And they implied his long and lanky body was the deformity. Not his head shape, which is clearly canine inspired.
It's always good to see where the dragons began at the very beginning.
Didn't George state that male can switch to female at any point in time? Drogon is Balerions boy.
Yup it’s said they can be both and just because one dragon is bigger does that mean it’s older 👀
@@JH7xXCampus Drogon versus Caraxes is a perfect example of age and size. Drogon was only 7
Not eso solo es un invento de los fans
@@Solo-Skywalker that's only in the show,they exaggerated the size of drogon.
@@predatorexiliado784 no it isn’t George definitely said this
The cannibal wasn’t on dragonstone before aegon arrived because if he was then he’d be bigger than vhagar. People just say that because it’s a rumour. Also meraxes was younger than vhagar, because George said that meraxes was proof that a younger dragon could be bigger than an older one
ah, someone ho actually read the books i see :P
I agree that the Cannibal came later, but you just contradicted your own argument there.
@@andrelascasas3156 how so? I don’t think that the cannibal was anywhere near the size of vhagar, more vermithor and silverwing sized, dragons being bigger despite age has a limit
@@charlieswanney8610 you said a younger dragon can be bigger than an older one, so Cannibal being smaller than Vhagar cannot be the reason why he has to be younger than Vhagar
@@andrelascasas3156 that’s like saying that syrax could be bigger than vermithor. Yes younger dragons can be bigger, but not bigger than dragons that have 50+ years on them that would just be stupid
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It is possible that some of the dragons born around the 100 AC mark were also from Dreamfyre, not necessarily Silverwing. In the show, the egg Daemon stole when he attempted to bait Viserys into coming to Dragonstone was was Dreamfyre's. And given how respectful the show has been of GRRM's work so far, I like to treat it as canon when it doesn't contradict with the books.
We do also know that the Targaryens weren't out of dragon eggs after the Dance. They possessed dragon eggs that they failed to hatch for at least another century or so. It's confirmed Aegon the Unlikely had one and that other members of his family had their own. And it's theorised the tragedy at Summerhall in 259 AC was a failed attempt to hatch one or several dragon eggs (which may have accidentally revealed dragon eggs are also grenades).
Odds are the last dragon eggs aside from Dany's were destroyed at Summerhall, given there's no mention of any eggs after that. And given the books make a big deal out of the dragon skulls being removed from the Red Keep's throne room, we definitely would have heard about eggs from Ned's internal monologue. No way he'd be able to hold out those intrusive thoughts when he was raising a Targaryen bastard. And Viserys (Dany's brother) would have mentioned having an egg if he'd ever possessed one.
But there could be some lost ones out there somewhere. I definitely think the 'great stone beast' Bran saw fly away from Winterfell was symbolic, despite being viewed from Summer's eyes and not a Greendream, but many theorise Vermax may have laid an egg at Winterfell, given Winterfell has volcanic activity, shown through the hot springs beneath the castle. Any cavern under Winterfell is actually a decent lair for a dragon.
And then there's dragons in Asshai, which Bran saw in book one. So we know dragons never actually went extinct. And the Cannibal, Sheepstealer and Silverwing all survived the Dance. Silverwing probably never laid another egg given she was grieving for Vermithor, and neither Cannibal nor Sheepstealer laid eggs in the past, but given both left Westeros they may have done so in the later centuries.
Well,iirc, in Asoiaf, Dragons are hermaphroditic, so can't totally rule out "males" as being mothers
Lol no that is just a theory put forwars by a septon, far beyond a fact. In fact they are most likely not hermaphroditic cause if they were then all dragons would lay eggs.
It's not proven, probably it's false, that's why some Dragons never laid eggs.
@@guruxara7994most of them didn't . Only Vhagar , Meraxes , Dreamfyre , Silverwing , Syrax did
Where is the website I can find all the photos to the dragon information
Thank you for making this
This is exactly what I've been looking for for a while finding out about the targaryen's dragons family tree I'm not sure if you know this but However, according to Barth and Maester Aemon, dragons have no fixed gender, but are “now one and now the other, as changeable as flame”. So I believe that means dragons are neither male nor female at least in the world of Fire and Ice ! Great video though
00:44 What's the name of this picture? And where can I find it?
Whilst Syrax producen most of the young eggs, it is sure Dreamfyre produced many others.
Where can i save this picture of the family tree??
The images that you are showing are they from a book? Which one Please?
My theory is that Vermithor and Silverwing were hatched from Meraxes' line, since Dreamfyre's scales are more 'chromatic' than some others. Vermithor being nicknamed after a metal (the Bronze Fury) and Silverwing also being named after a metal could indicate more metallic-like scales (and Quicksilver likely was their older brother). Hence Sunfyre's unique colouring and texture would make him the hatchling of Vermithor and Silverwing. Hard to say which line Tessarion came from, but I think Syrax might have skipped a generation (we know eggs can sometimes take a very long time to hatch) and been from Vhagar's final clutch of eggs, since they have a very similar skull shape. And then Seasmoke, Meleys and possibly Caraxes could all be Dreamfyre's.
And it's also possible some of the third generation Targaryen dragons were hatched from some of the original other four (Balerion's older kin from Old Valyria), since some eggs might have taken a while to hatch but could have been laid pre-conquest.
Vhagar just out here eating her great grandchild like it’s nothing.
Excellent video bro! But Tyraxes was Joffrey's dragon and Arrax was Luke's dragon. Minor mistake there but great video!!
.. and I like ur theory on Rhaegal viserion and drogon maybe being dreamfyres 🤔👍🏽
Vermithor, Dreamfyre and some of that Generation Dragons may have came from the eggs of those unnamed dragons or Meraxes. We can't tell all of them are Vaghar's kids.
It's kind of fitting to think that Drogon is the direct sibling of Meleys and Caraxes, both of whom are absolute beasts in their own right and Caraxes is noted to be the most vicious of the Targaryen dragons. Drogon takes after his big brother.
I wanna see Balerion and Carnnibel so bad
I hope they make spin offs ofr Aegon's Conquest and Robert Baratheon Rebellion
Hope We could see Carnnibel in Later Season of HOTD
So the title 'Mother of Dragon' actually goes to Vhagar, who devoured her great grandchild and killed by her grandchild. But stll wonder why Caraxes, if hatched from the eggs of Drramfyre, looks so different than Meleys or Drogon. Could be from a different father, but there's no mention of Dragon mating.
Caraxes had a birth defect . He's deformed , he and Meleys came from the same clutch . Vermithor is probably their father and Dreamfyre is obviously their momma
Meleys and Caraxes are killed by their own grandma Vhagar...
Sad...
Caraxes and his grandmother, Vhagar, killed each other during The Battle Beneath the Gods Eye.
And Vhagar killing Arrax is like a great grandmother killing her great grandchild.
The Battle Above* the God's Eye.
The Battle Beneath the God's Eye was the one where Maegor Targaryen alongside Balerion the Black Dread killed his nephew Aegon the Uncrowned and his dragon Quicksilver.
Balerion and Vermithor killed their sons 😂😂
Thankyouuu
For such an unremarkable dragon, Syrax sure did push them out.
Hello thank you for your video (I read the books but I had never taken the knowledge of the family tree of dragons). One question however: are my eyes betraying me or have you forgotten the dragon from Aegon 2 targaryen? I am French who does not speak or understand English well. Thank you and good continuation
Sunfyre ? Oupsss sorry
Sunfyre oups sorry
sunfyre oups sorry
I know for a fact that Seasmoke was hatched from an egg of Dreamfyre.
You got Joffrey and lucerys age and dragons wrong it is the other way around
Can we get a full shot of the tree ?
Plz 🥺
One issue that throws this whole video out if true. According to Barth and Maester Aemon, dragons have no fixed gender, they can apparently change it if they wish. So the named as male dragons such as Balerion can't necessarily be ruled out if that is so.
So many mistakes/pure guesswork made too:
I've seen Quicksilver referred to as male in some sources and female in different ones, but regardless, he/she was born in 7 AC. You said 10 to 20 AC.
No actual evidence for why Meleys and Caraxes had to be from Dreamfyres eggs either. Or Seasmoke etc from Silverwing's, if too late to be from Dreamfyre's, why not from Meleys? Or just delayed hatching, do we know how long they take to hatch?
'All the wild dragons were males', Cannibal could have been female for all anyone knows, not like anyone could get close enough to check!
Arrax was Lucerys' dragon, and Tyraxes was Joffrey's (HE was the youngest not Lucerys)
- This whole video seems like a badly researched guessing game to me.
I have re-watch episode 1: Game of Thrones, it was mentioned that after the 3 petrified dragon eggs was gifted to Daenerys, It came from the Shadow Lands.. Meaning its from a different dragon on the old.. or there are wild dragons in the Shadow Lands which needs more content..
so that would mean... Drogon is Vhagar's grandson
Can anyone tell me if the dragons mated with each other to lay eggs or did the eggs just magically get conceived. Like is there a father and mother dragon? Because there is no mention about the relation between all the dragons. Like who did Vhagar mate with since there was only meraxes who was a female dragon
There was Balerion too
I think there's a chance Grey Ghost may be a non-Targaryen dragon like the Cannibal, since Sheepstealer is never reported to have laid eggs (that I know of), and the Cannibal seems unlikely to mate with Targaryen dragons given how many he kills.
The reason I think Grey Ghost could still be a non-Targ dragon despite seemingly requiring at least one Targ-dragon parent is that eggs can go into a petrified state, which we see with Dany is reversible. She did it through blood magic, but what if it's also possible naturally? Say if an egg that was centuries old laid in a less incubated part of the Dragonmont was re-incubated when the volcanic activity changed, heating this egg's cavern and slowly reversing the process?
This would also explain why the Cannibal is only supposedly around Vermithor's size while having unknown origins. His egg may have been laid much earlier and then hatched on its own after a long time in stasis. And perhaps stories of Dragonstone dragons that predate Targ-dragons have just merged with Cannibal's origin story, referencing his ancestors, rather than him.
Grey Ghost also being of non-Targ lineage would explain why he remained so elusive even during the Sowing of the dragonseeds. He might be just as averse to Targaryens as the Cannibal, just far less aggressive, likely due to his age.
Definitely not a solid theory, but maybe a possibility?
my question then is... to female dragons require a male dragon in order to hatch eggs or do they not need them? cuz if they do.. it be kinda amazing to see which of the male dragons bred with which female dragons and hatched which dragons.
for example what if "drogon, is the dragon that hatched from dreamfyre, who hatched from vhagar eggs that she bred with balerion." just as an example. would be interesting to know this kind of stuff.
Are u correct? Seems Vhagar gave birth to entire generations of dragons & beyond.. almost all of em!
Well if she's the mom of Dreamfyre ( she probably is ) then most of the other dragons are her grandchildren or great grandchildren
So is the egg that Daemon stole in EP2 Drogon then? The show says it's Dreamfyres egg and Meleys and Caraxes are obviously already hatched so it has to be one of Danys right?
The one Daemon 'borrowed' could be any of Dreamfyre's eggs. But it would be a cool easter egg for sure. The egg looked like Drogon's too.
A dragon being larger doesn’t mean it’s older. George RR Martin has stated the dragons all grow at different rates.
As we see with Dany's dragons. Hatched at the same point, but Drogon is bigger. Wasn't there also a theory that Drogon might be bigger because he had the chance to roam free while the two others were kept in chains?
In the show it doesn't make sense for Meleys and caraxes to be off spring of dreamfyre. It would make sense if Seasmoke was an off spring of dreamfyre as they seem to be the same breed. And I suspect Arrax and Vermax are the same species as Caraxes (caraxes just being a deformed version of that breed)
The parentage is a bit shakey since for most dragons we just don''t know who their parents were. All are likely descended from Vhaegar and Balerion at least in the first generation. As for the rest we have no idea who the fathers were and the mothers can really only be guessed based on comparing physical descriptions.
Interesting... I heard, that the dragons in HotD are 3 different breeds/ species (horse, wolf and t-rex or so?), but seeing this familytree crushes that statement. Even if all the dragons from the time of Aegons conquest were different breeds/ species at the start, the interbreeding would make them all either a new breed or a mix between the three breeds/ species by the time of HotD. Either way, it's cool to see the familytree of our favourite dragons
True, I feel that slight variations would've been ok but... entire different sub species doesn't make as much sense.
They all came from Valyria and considering how large and far they spread... I mean, how would there be such a variety in a small area the whole species lived?
I guess the Wild Dragons that existed around the place may have added to the variety but not many seemed to have bred with the tamed ones
How would you know if it's a (horse, wolf, or trex) breed/species?
@@lemuelsolitario9548the shape of the skull.
Syrax has a horse skull, it's slightly longer than most. Caraxes the Bloodworm has a wolf head.
Vhagar, sorta like Drogon and his brothers, have a more T-Rex look
@@thalmoragent9344 yeah true! I see so many people say that they are different breeds. I mean Caraxes looks cool and is explainable with f'd up genetics due to all the inbreeding. But given that they are all closely related it doesn't make much sense to have them all look so different from onantoher. If anything they should look alike even more, just like offspring usually (not always, i know) closely resembles their parents. But idk, afterall I am not a dragon geneologist xD
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Yeah me neither 😅 a little differences I could see, like maybe the 3 head shapes could stay but the bodies should all still be mostly the same, and perhaps the head they get could also affect their horn pattern.
So slight deviation I can see, but... such major differences in the entire body despite the relation is odd
At least Sea Smoke seems to be similar to Drogon and Vhagar and the likes
can young griff blackfyre ride caniball at the end of song of ice and fire ?
So weird that a few of the female dragons only laid one or 2 clutches of eggs.
its so sad targaryens made the extinctions of dragons
in the 3rd episode of house of the dragon the little upclose glimpse of sea smoke it gives us his body and tail kinda resimble how drogon looks and meleys would be a different dread than ceraxes bc they both looks different 2 different breads so i dont think they came from the same cllutch as well as i dont think drogon viserions and rhaegal came from thats clutch either bc they look completely different to how ceraxe and meleys look aswell i think drogon rhaegal and viserions eggs are lost eggs from balerion and another bc drogons skull shape resembles balerions skull in the caverns also all the skulls of the dragons in game of thrones look like drogons so idk they kinda messed up the lore with that one and know its all confusing as shit
so....Vhagar is Drogon' grandfather!
grandmother, and what he's explaining here that Drogon comes from Dreamfyre is a theory, it has never been confirmed by GRRM.
It would be super interesting to know who dragons inherit their "race". Cause Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal are known to be the T-Rex breed like Balerion. Same is said about Seasmoke. However Meleys and Syrax match the horse-like breed. But Vermax and Arrax are described as the "wolf-like" dragons. So how come, that Dreamfyre and Syrax lay eggs with differend breeds hatching from them.
Let's see this.
As per you said If caraxis was born from dreamfyre than drogon and other two can't bcoz they're different than caraxis. And since there are three different types of Dragons they can't be from same mother
and this week it just came out that in the show’s canon, daenerys eggs came from syrax!!!
Nice vid man
I don't think its Greg Host its GreyGhost
So if they rode over on Balerion and Meraxes/Vhagar are 2/3 of the unnamed dragon eggs. Who’s the other dragon that hatched??
Meraxes and vhagar were born on dragonstone, they didn’t ride over from Valyria like valerion did
Now I wish the direwolves also reproduced
I am thinking that the eggs could be silverwings, AS we don’t know what happens to her after the dance.
I wish the research would have taken us to fact that beneath Winterfell, there were eggs... laid there by Vermax when a Targeryan came to visit Cregan... Why is snow falling in the Godswood, melting as it touches the ground in ADWD? Vermax you sneaky beast 😏
Though Old Nan did not think so, and she'd lived longer than any of them. "Dragons,' she said, lifting her head and sniffing. She was near blind and could not see the comet, yet she claimed she could smell it. be dragons, boy," she insisted. Bran got no princes from Nan, no more than he ever had.
Search the crypts... There's a dragon in there. Like Aemon, Sheira Targeryan... Umm... I mean Old Nan can smell it's volcanic rotten egg scented breaths 😏
This is no fact, it's a legend. And it's treated as such in "Fire and Blood".
@@Inuwoodx I literally suggested that I wish this "research" in this video would have lead us to the fact that... I know none of these suggestions have been proven. This was literally a wishlist of a reply. Me expressing that all this talk of dragons, when I clicked would have included one more thing, dragon eggs beneath Winterfell. I asked why the snow is melting in the Godswood... Hopeful there be dragons but not claiming it outright. In my mind the signs and suggestions point to but I know in this world very little is as clear cut as it seems. Good chance these Easter eggs don't mean anything. Bran seeing fire and flames through the eyes of Summer, smelling and tasting ash when Theon sacked Winterfell could have been a dragon at some point... And it just as well could have just been soldiers burning it the ground. I'm here for the possibilities. Never said it was this or that... I was only hopefully it was one of the two and wished this research proved there was a dragon reason for the waters to run warm in Winterfell... That's all
The Targaryen dynasty is very interesting,i think im gonna buy dance of the dragons
Are we forgetting that dragons in the Song of Ice and Fire universe are some kind of hemephrodites?
Interesting how the colours of dragons don't appear to be genetically determined at all, they seem to just develop at random.
So deamfire is still alive in a dragon pit in House of the dragon episode 6 .. The dragon which aemond saw.. Am I correct.. Is that dreamfire 🥺
yess and she is mother to vermax, rhaegal, viserion, drogon and many others I believe
@@Glamode how is this possible ... 🤯
@@Glamode TF u talking about? Dreamfyre is mother to Caraxes and Meleys. Syrax is mother to Vermax, Arrax & Tyraxes and others. Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal eggs source is uknown.
Sheepstealer was a wild dragon, didn't come from Vhagar also Dreamfyre laid more eggs after 49 AC. The egg for a Baelon, heir for a day, was Dreamfyre's. I Think you might need to do your research a bit better. Love your content but lots of these facts are incorrect
Baelon's egg could have come from the hatches before 50 AC. Sheepstealer was not always wild. But I agree this guy needs to do more research.
@@qwastnm7320 Episode 2 said that egg came from Dreamfyre.
I thought the egg for Baelon was Sunfyre.
@@Cboz1978 So???
@@qwastnm7320 True but if you want it to hatch wouldn’t you pick a fresh one?
So Melleys is Princess Rhaenys Targaryen's dragon, the one that "crashed" the coronation?
yes
Wait Vhager was older than Meraxes but not bigger in your video you said Vhager is younger
Mayles and caraxys look like wolf headed dragons. Doesn't make sense that Drogon etc came from Dreamfire as well. They look like different species.
Do dragons breed? I'm not sure if grrm has said how dragons are hatched, but if they do need to breed, it would explain the difference in species depending on who their father is.
The problem with this videos is that it's entirely expectation, Im sure GRRM never thought about dragons family trees...
We need to talk about kerning, Dr Agon.
Vhegar - original mother of all dragons ❤🔥😍😍
So can female dragons lay eggs without a male?
I am assuming this because you do not mention the couple, but only the mother, when you talk about the eggs
So vhagar actually is caraxes grandmother
and now they're gonna kill each other
Vermax although supposed male, it is said that was female and had offspring in the north. Also, male and female regarding dragons is a just a supposition
Vhagar killed her own blood. Funny.
I thought Martin said that the sex of the dragons did not matter to lay eggs...
Anyway, I will stick to Martin's explanations.
You discount Meraxes' bloodline due to time passed, but Dreamfyre's eggs hatch centuries later. Contradiction!
Seems Syrax had the most offspring. But they always say that Dreamfyre was a formiddable egg layer?
Green got them good dragons, Black got some baby weak
Im curious about this: if dragon's get bigger as they age & size is a way to find out how old they are why is Drogon so big? Arrax hatched in crib with Luke so he's 14 yo in episode 10, if you compare Luke's size when on Arrax compared to Dany on Drogon why then if Arrax several years older yet it looks like Drogon is similar to vhagar in size when you compare the rider & dragon.
Drogon is smaller in the books
What about Bloodwyrm?
Didn't they say they brought hundreds of Dragon Eggs from Old Valyria and all hatching dragons are eggs from Old Valyria, that are stored somewhere in Kings Landing and laid into the cradle of Targaryen Babys? And not every Targaryen Egg does hatch, so no one knows how many of the eggs have value and how many are already dead? So it's possible they are somewhat related but we have no idea how? For all we know the 3 known breeds could all be siblings. There is a reason why they we dying out and becoming smaller and smaller, since they are far away from Old Valyria?