Sony A7IV vs Canon R6 - Which Should You Buy?
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Hey Mitch, we have gotten confirmation from Sony that they are aware of the front focusing issues with eye AF when used up close, and they’re going to work on a FW fix for it.
Epic! Thanks for the update!
@@MitchLally Please do a followup video once the FW comes out. And please post and pin a comment to the top of the comment list and in the description so people are aware that a FW is on the way. And finally, if possible, let Sony be aware that you are having the issue and your viewers have been told. I understand Sony will work on this faster if Pros and influencers like yourself inform Sony that it is an issue that is affecting your work.
@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 Right. I've seen it for myself. Sony support didn't take this serious even with detailed prove that even an a7R III is performing way better. These "User error" statements are really weak. They are telling that to photographers that have actually experience for decades already and they are not even reading the previous informations that have been already sent, but asking for them allover again. The pressure must be raised by everyone and even better by people that reach way more people and could confirm the issue.
Also the Sony Customer Support of Germany (finally!) confirmed directly to me, that the issue is known and that they are working on a solution. Personal information's have been removed from the E-Mail below.
Translated with Google translator, as the original E-Mail is in German:
From: customersupport.de@eu.sony.com
Sent: 7 February 2022 13:17:53 CET
Dear Mr. XYZ,
Thank you for your feedback.
The technical department thanks you for purchasing our products and apologizes for the Eye AF error.
They are already aware of the error and are working on the solution that will be made available with the upcoming update.
Since the editing is not yet complete, you are asked to be patient until the update appears.
We hope for your understanding and will be happy to answer any further questions you may have.
If you still need further assistance, please reply directly to this email.
Kind regards
XYZ
SONY SUPPORT TEAM
SUPPORT: www.sony.de/support/de
Sony Europe B.V., Germany Branch
Sony Center at Potsdamer Platz, Kemperplatz 1 - 10785 Berlin - Germany
Original (German):
Von: customersupport.de@eu.sony.com
Gesendet: 7. Februar 2022 13:17:53 MEZ
Sehr geehrter Herr XYZ,
vielen Dank, für Ihre Rückmeldung.
Die Fachabteilung bedankt sich dafür, dass Sie sich für unsere Produkte entschieden haben, und entschuldigt sich für den Fehler des Augen-AF.
Man ist sich des Fehlers bereits bewusst und arbeitet unter Hochdruck an der Lösung, die mit dem kommenden Update zur Verfügung gestellt werden wird.
Da die Bearbeitung noch nicht abgeschlossen ist, bittet man Sie, sich noch etwas zu gedulden, bis das Update erscheint.
Wir hoffen auf Ihr Verständnis und stehen Ihnen für weitere Fragen gerne zur Verfügung.
Wenn Sie noch weitere Hilfe benötigen sollten, antworten Sie bitte direkt auf diese E-Mail.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
XYZ
SONY SUPPORT TEAM
SUPPORT: www.sony.de/support/de
Sony Europe B.V., Zweigniederlassung Deutschland
Sony Center am Potsdamer Platz, Kemperplatz 1 - 10785 Berlin - Germany
I hope finally some people stop stating "it's an user error!", "too much megapixels" or "wrong expectations". Honestly, there are so many idiots online today.
This is at least the third confirmation, if I didn't miss one. (Romania, Australia, Germany)
@@schildzilla Russia also. I have same issue.
Above all, both cameras offer more than "enough", and it's your skill and experience that shines through no matter what you hold in your hands Mitch! Nice video, cheers
😍yes
Both cameras are great. I got R6 over A7IV, because I already had RF glass and I really love the R6. Still, I really hope Sigma and Tamron to drop some lenses for RF mount. I don't understand why Canon are not cooperating on that. I love the RF glass, but these prices are not for mid-range photographers and a lot of photographers go for Sony, because of this glass. I'm part of a photography school and 80% of the photographers choose Sony and most of them did it because of the glass. Canon is probably killing it at the high-end photography level, but if they do not allow third-party lenses soon, they won't be able to catch Sony.
+1000
I completely agree!
Why would Canon want too cooperate? They are making a killing with lens sales. High end photography is where the money is at. Sony only played ball because they had very limited lens when they came out.
@@alr1577 Because, many Sony shooters will stick with Sony as a lifelong customer. As they become high end photographers they will spend that money with the Sony ecosystem. Canon may be fine for now but in 10-20 years the fact that 80% of people went Sony for the more affordable entry point will matter.
I do wish Sony would create a full frame camera around $1000-$1500 to compete with Canon RP though
This is why when I finally upgrade my 5D IV to an R5, I'm gonna swap out my Sigma Art lenses for Canon EF L lenses and just adapt them. RF glass is way too expensive, and most of them are just too big anyway.
6:38 As a photographer who owns these two cameras, I agree 100% with you that the R6 is way better in terms of autofocus.
May i contact you in order to ask some questions about both cameras based on your experience?
This is a very well-balanced video. Most channels take the whole "Canon vs Sony" approach as click-bait. You really won't be disappointed by any modern mirrorless system from either brand. Personally I'm sticking with Canon, not because I have anything against Sony (I used to have both), mainly because I have large hands and find Canon cameras more comfortable to use for extended periods. As far as lenses go, I was speaking to people who work for Australia's largest camera retailer - Canon have an embargo on 3rd-party development for 5 years. RF mount came out in 2018, so don't expect to see a huge amount of native RF glass until the end of 2023. Remember though, adapters are cheap and so are used EF lenses 😉
I would agree to some extent. I wish he had an L mount cause he had a cheap lense for Canon compared to Sony
@@Kenkichi24 Just shows how good a "cheap" RF lens can be.
Check out Julia Trotti amazing channel
@@alr1577 Already subbed :)
Thanks for sharing your experiences and insight :)
Quality content Mitch! Coming from a Canon T4i, to a Sony A6000, and now a A7IV this past Tuesday, i'm in shock how awesome this camera is. As a portrait photographer, I used to shoot in burst mode to essentially not miss any shots, yet in reality I was hurting myself in post with the culling and wasted space. Switching to single shot has saved me so much time in the end, I highly recommend giving it a try. Single shot makes you be more intentional with your shots and it helps to make sure you get it right in camera vs hoping you got a good frame. I Used to leave an hour session with 300+ images, now I'm between 30-50 depending on how many looks my clients and I have agreed upon. Keep up the awesome content man, I look forward to seeing your future work!
Come on man
Do you have any recommendations on channel or guides on getting started with cameras and digital video?
I have always felt that if you are slightly more video focused, Sony is the better choice, but if you are more photographer focus, then Canon is the better choice.
Sony hands down has the best sensors out there too.
I totally agree! My buddies who do photo and video have Sony and LUMIX, but my friends and I who primarily do photo have canons, but there is no wrong choice in 2023 as all the major brands make good bodies
I have the R6- its an amazing workhorse- never fails- the only negative is I wish the 4k60 didnt overheat. To fix this shortcoming and add a bit of fun to my bag I picked up a cheap used Fuji XT3 and a couple inexpesive viltrox lenses and just let that live on a gimbal or sticks for 4k60 longer videos or for fun compact out and about days. The Sony A74 I cant even consider with that cropped 4k60 at a premium price.
A7iv crops to the same sensor size as the XT3 in 4k60, but you've already spent the money
The thing is... the EF adapter works really really well. It is just a psychological thing of many people that they want a lens without that adapter in between... You can get a 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II USM lens for basically 1100-1200 € in mint condition, and that is a bargain. That glass performs very well even on high MP cameras like the 5DSr with 50 MP on full frame.
Love the message close to the end.. All cameras are now capable to tackle any jobs. It just comes down to what you like. Cause once the image/video clip is color graded.. you can't really tell what brand it was shot on lol
The best camera is the one you have with you.
Great content, though!
The comparison between the lenses has a HUGE DIFFERENCE! Should maybe rented an RF L mount since that is a more comparable to the g master
True, though i really can't see much difference
It shows how good the RF 35 is.
If Canon had an L 35 I would have mate. But the RF 35 is just as sharp as some of the top of the range 35s out there even wide open - also with 20mpix you’re pushing on the resolving power of the sensor at this point as sharper glass give diminishing returns until you pair it with a higher resolution sensor - we’re talking 50mpx and up.
@@MitchLally I am very honoured that you replied to my comment
@@MitchLally RF 50 1.2 vs G Master 50 1.2? (Not trolling btw it would be interesting to see.)
great video, was considering sony for a while before canon had a competitive mirrorless, but i love my r6. the jpeg is so nice, i don't even shoot in raw anymore, even for paid assignments
Wow. That would be pretty cool to shoot in jpeg. How is that working for you?
@@gutenbird honestly so far so good 👍
one obvious difference between Sony and Canon is the contrast, specially after editing the photos it is more pronounce. You can see at 4:27 that the sony looks more faded and less contrasty. The colors look more saturated on canon, you can see that by looking at the greens. Another difference is the highlight after its being edited. Sony looks more washed out while the canon maintain a decent look to the highlight, you can see that on the skin.
Finally, look at the model skin when the photos are edited, it feels more natural and intact. The sony have a weird looking skin, not as smooth.
This is just my observation from these photos.
noticed the contrast as well.
Sony A7IV is way more comfortable to use, practical, image quality is amazing and its video capabilities are incredible!
And isn't made of plastic. Kind of a big deal for me at this price point. Btw have you enabled your 120fps evf mode? It is off by default, and it seems not everyone has enabled it yet, big difference in feel.
Have a A/IV myself, tried with 35mm f/1.4, 55mm f/1.8, 85mm f/1.8, 90mm f2.8 and there are definitely focus-issues. The camera is not permanently front- or back focusing, but even with Eye-AF and AF-C, the selection-algorithm fails. As soon as there are strong (often vertical) contrast areas, or lines the AF prefers to focus on those parts in the frame even with the green focus frame clearly being on the eye. So, the camera is dead sharp, but it "internally" selects wrong parts for adjusting rather than the one in the focus frame. Took some selfies on a tripod, focus clearly on the eye, but often "real internal" focus was on the the black and white hairs of my beard, sometimes back focusing, sometimes front focusing. Hairs distract the camera, but also gray lines on buildings, or vertical borders of doors or windows. It's clearly a flaw in the internal focus selection logic. Had lots of portraits with different very good lenses with slightly blurry eyes but only with this camera (others work fine with same lenses). Hope they come up with a firmware upgrade soon
I did shoot both Sony and Canon mirrorless, I really prefer working with the Canon.
I got an R6ii because I came from Canon and have a few EF lenses, and the R6 seemed to be the best option at the price point. I got the RF 24-70 and now I'm struggling with the size, it's not too big per se for regular photos and straight on videos, but it would be heavy if I were to point it at myself and vlog. And regardless of how I'm shooting, whether photo or video, it draws attention and I hate getting attention. I sorta wish I had Sony simply because of the size of the body and the smaller size lenses. Is it hard to switch systems? Should I get over it and stick with it for a while? The camera itself is great and the quality is good, and my use case doesn't really encounter too much overheating. I typically do 4K24 and only go 4K60 for short time periods or bust out my gopro for short b-roll....
The only reason I haven't bought a R6 is the way it switches from photo to video with no custom video or photo settings saved.
Plus the ibis wobble isnt nice.
One of the big features on the A74 is active and gyro stabalisation.
But not not having 4K 60p uncropped is a pain.
# PS Im a Nikon hybrid shooter I had run out of patience with Nikon until the Z9 arrived - so Im thinking hang on in there a Z8 might appear 😃
I respect what Sony is doing from a technical standpoint. Like the MP count and the sheer hugh amount of native lenses. On the otherside Canon allready provids the native lense I personally actually need. And I like the ergonomics and feel of the camera way more. And that is pretty hugh for me.
The new Sony cameras like the A7iv feel so much better than the older ones like the A9 (I have both) . I never use my A9 with out the grip but I do use my A7iv without one. Larger grip and better buttons have made a huge difference.
I had m50 and own a RP and now had Sony A7iv with tamron 28-75g2 2.8 and I absolutely love it ... but I’m keeping my RP because I still love the pictures off my RF glass ... good video man💪🏿
Hi Mitch, my R6 never overheated on me. I have shooting long format videos and it seems like some people do experience overheating and some don't. I really do believe some newer manufactured R6s have gotten the overheating issues fixed. And, you can actually set a custom button for the crop mode, you go in the menu and set any of the custom button to the 1.6x crop in the manual and Cs modes for photo, mine is set to the little front button near the lens mount.
Anyways, awesome video as always, keep it up dude! 🔥
It's already been resolved you just gotta update the firmware.
Thanks for confirming the Eye-AF issue that many seems to have and that from my observations seems to be algorithm related.
Not even my a7R III which has the "way worse" AF system from 2017, nails the (in my case human) eyes perfectly to the pupil 99% of the time. But at close distances the a7 IV is mostly nailing the eye brows or if you are really really lucky, then it will be on the eye lashes only, with very soft eye detail on at least 50% of the static portrait shots, but more likely 75-90% that can be delete directly and only 1-2% will be as good as with the a7R III. I did a 1:1 comparison with the 135mm 1.8 GM and controlled fail-proof identical conditions and settings to address this issue to the Sony support. Even if I've drastically underexposed with the a7R III, it still nailed the eye perfectly. Till now I have been asked by the Sony support the same questions all over again, that are even within the EXIF or my Sony account where my equipment is registered as well. That's just wasting my time for now.
Also I've noticed another issue (which might be caused by the missed focus issue as well) with complete failures of the eye detection with upper body portraits (head + shoulders + a little bit of the body) from around 2m distance 85mm for absolutely no reason in perfect lighting conditions with nothing covering the face. Even my a7R III could find the eye and I really always thought the a7R III AF isn't class leading especially compared to my EOS R5 which I also have.
And this is just about human eyes. The eye detection of animals and birds is also very weak and even worse than with my a7R III (animals only). It takes forever to detect the subjects and IF they will detected, they must almost be about to leave the frame. The funny thing is, if the AF finally(!) is nailing the eye, it keeps sticky as long as the e.g. bird or even duck is being more far away. If I'm focusing to something else and get back to the exact same duck immediately, it couldn't find it anymore. Completely useless for bird photography or in other words - if I'll use it with the same settings it would be as good as my a7R III and then I can take the a7R III instead because the resolution and frame rate is way better, for a cheaper price.
And things I also really don't like and make the camera not being state of the art:
- 4K 60p only cropped - bad for video portraitures with nice bokeh
- Only 6 fps with lossless and uncompressed RAWs - My EOS 6D II could do that as well
- I hate that most of the time the eye that is in the background will be marked. This is the first camera that makes me setting the eye side manually and even my a7R III is choosing the better/closer eye most of the time
- It's irritating when selecting an eye side manually. Right is left on the screen, left is right
Conclusion for now (hopeful a firmware will fix this very very soon):
The a7 IV did show me, that it has till now the worst Eye-AF algorithm I've ever seen in a mirrorless camera, even with human eyes that an almost 5 year old camera is nailing just perfect and even the a7 III and a7C does, just to stop giving some "it's better because of the higher resolution"-trolls that have no clue how AF is actually working. food to blame affected users.
Except of these things (and some other things that would also be nice if Sony will change them) it is a good camera, but not outstanding or state of the art. Honestly, at this time (and I've never thought I would say that one day) I would recommend the R6 oder the a7 IV. Or better go with another Sony body.
There is also a Instagram group with samples including from pro photographers that did show it happens even with F6.3 at perfect studio conditions: instagram.com/sonya7iveyeafissue/
And here is a Facebook group for communication of affected users: facebook.com/groups/sonya7m4eyeafissues/
If you are affected don't wait for a fix and make pressure to Sony, else it could take forever. You can get support from other affected users above to stop Sony stating "Never heard about" or "User error".
Agree, the "it's because of the higher resolution"-trolls are just trolling. Because it doesn't really matter much, if the blur amounts to 20 or 30 pixels depending on camera resolution 😱 If a picture is lost, then it is lost. It is lost, whenever the level of sharpness on the FINAL MEDIUM isn't right due to misfocusing.
The camera's megapixels only might play a role if investigating ultra-tiny blurs near sensor resolution limits (e.g. when someone would be testing out IBIS, tripods, shutter shock blur, or lens diffraction). But here, the eye AF misfocusing blur is orders of magnitudes bigger, so that megapixels simply don't make a difference any more.
@@tubularificationed That idiots can say whatever they want. I don't havy any respect of them and don't stop claiming just because there are some fanboys around. I did get a confirmation from Sony Germany today that they are knowing the issue and working on it.
By the way, even the a7R IV was nailing the eye at other users. Also this issue appeared at a pro photographer that was trying to shoot for an eye lashes extensions prospect - and guess what: it appeared at aperture F6.3!
Even my a7R III is nailing the eye + eye lashes sharp at the same time. Why the a7 IV can't when it is so much better with the advertised AF and even the a7R III that "has too much megapixels" can?
It's not about the camera, it's the ecosystem, and Sony has all the lenses from just about every manufacturer. Plain and simple
Looking at the photos you entered I could easily tell you which ones are made with one or the other machine. Especially because those made with Sony are all perfectly focused and well contrasted. The Canon ones appear washed out and even slightly out of focus!
But surely they are tastes!
I, thanks to your comparison between the two machines, I chose Sony!
Glad you could tell the difference - I’ve been shooting for 10 years and I could barely tell…
@@MitchLally maybe you are a canon fan and you don't want to see the difference ...🙊
Thank you for the video! Excellent! As a Canon shooter I’m very happy that the lens mount is 54mm in diameter as opposed to Sony’s 46mm. I think the larger opening lends itself to better lens design.
Honestly, I went with the Sony A7IV over the Canon R6 for one major reason... 3rd party lens selection. I liked a lot of the lens offered from Sigma (especially their primes) and Tamron's 35-150mm F2-2.8. Whereas with Canon you have less selection for lenses and they're more expensive than Sony's G Master lineup. Plus I liked that Sony seems to be pushing the technology as the innovators in the mirrorless realm.
The EVF is the same resolution, maybe you did not put it in high quality mode?
Excellent video again Mitch and your thoughts almost identically reflect mine regarding both cameras. I'll also add that the R6 has a faster sensor readout which means it should have less distortion when using the electronic shutter. In terms of the A7IV AF I've read up quite a bit on it and I don't think it's a lens problem. It seems to be some kind of algorithm issue with the camera, as the problem didn't exist on the A7III (allegedly). Hopefully Sony fix it in a FW update. Both are great cameras.
Thanks for your thoughts. I cannot compare the R6 with my A7iv. But I can compare the A7iv with my Z7ii. And to be honest, there is no real difference in shooting experience between both. But I am using the Sony more for the Tele seccion and the Nikon for the wide angle compositions. Reason: the good Tele lenses from Nikon are ridiculously expensive. And, on the other hand, I love my 70-350mm Sony, it gives me the results/quality I expect. And this for 600 Euro; a similar lense from Nikon costs 3000 Euro, 5 times more. Ok, may be the quality is a bit higher, but at the end of the day, I can come on the same quality plateau using Topaz on critical fotos. Hope my thoughts may help.
PS: I added a 70-180 from Tamron. This e.g. is not available for Nikon...
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Thank you so much Mitch for the helpful comparative video! Good luck!
Which one is batter only for photography propose ???
I've made switch from Canon RF to Sony. Of course no regret. A7IV AF works flawlessly. Lenses are smaller and faster than RF's, better video codec, better sensor (DR), better customization, much better lens choice... For me it is easy pick. :)
and far aeay better focus than R5, R6
how about the colours?
Love your content Mitch! I’m between a R6 and Sony A7IV as an hybrid shooter, recommend any as a user? Thanks bro!
As a former canon shooter I honestly like the Sony better. Both brands are great and it’s really all preference.
Sony A7IV is not the way to go for me since it shoots 4k video with a massive crop to get around the poor hardware design with the weak IBIS and lenses that focus breath. Sony’s stabilization with IBIS in video mode is not amazing. The A7IV has Active Stabilization to help with this, which is great, or you could use Catalyst, which is great. But you need a faster shutter which is not great, and even worst, it introduces a significant crop that is definitely not great. The 4k rolling shutter is pretty bad when sampling from the 7k full sensor, and this is a downgrade from the A7III, lol.
@@costinvaly1 I don’t shoot video so that don’t matter to me lol I still shoot with the a7iii I personally don’t have the need to upgrade for my work flow!
Hi I am new here, do you use photoshop to edit or something else? Great work!
The adapter works great with the R6. It gives you unlimited glass from Canon to Sigma to everything.
My issue with sony is it picks up more blue in the green and more brown in the orange where as canon picks up more yellow in the green and more yellow in the orange. Its not a deal breaker for every photo but a lot of photos i took whilst on sony were ruined by this. It all comes to your style and preferences.
Literally the video I was waiting for!
Totally agree regarding lens options at a decent price...Sony is the way to go now. That said, if one is a sports or action shooter who needs higher FPS, the Canon is the clear winner.
Sony A7IV is not the way to go for me since it shoots 4k video with a massive crop to get around the poor hardware design with the weak IBIS and lenses that focus breath. Sony’s stabilization with IBIS in video mode is not amazing. The A7IV has Active Stabilization to help with this, which is great, or you could use Catalyst, which is great. But you need a faster shutter which is not great, and even worst, it introduces a significant crop that is definitely not great. The 4k rolling shutter is pretty bad when sampling from the 7k full sensor, and this is a downgrade from the A7III, lol.
@@costinvaly1 true the mere fact sony gmaster 1.4 lens is premium lense and much faster,. vs a STM motor of canon RF 35mm 1.8,.
@@kenjiyamamoto423 Canon will be releasing 2 versions of RF 35mm 1.2L USM lenses during 3Q this year.
Interesting Video. Invest in the RF Glass mate. Why do people try and swap from Canon without utilizing the strengths of the brand. CPS for $60 a year is just incredible for professionals. Anyways Sony is always good content for TH-cam.
Nobody is mentioning it so i'll do it myself. Canon have depth of field button that you need to press in order to get the real F stop depth of field, Sony doesn't require it because the you get the F stop of the settings. If you are gonna be shoot 90% of the time wide open then Canon way is good otherwise if you do a lot of street photography Sony approach is better. So you don't have to kinda guess the final results or the exact exposure because the Camera is showing f1.4 preview while the photo setting is 3.5
Sony has a more extensive lens lineup, including third-party, making it the #1 choice for most photographers.
Hi, I've been following you for many years and I also have the feeling that whenever I'm speculating whether to move away from Canon - sell the whole range and buy Sony. So the caller always convinces me on your photos that it's not the right way, tell me honestly, does it make sense?
Deciding to change RP to R6 or change it to sony….
My reasoning for shooting Canon R5/R6 backup is all based on the Canon RF glass (that and I have a friend with a Sony A7R3 who has to clean his sensor literally everytime he shoots due to sensor dust - I would probably give up photography before I would do that to my lens. I don’t know if the Sony A74 has the curtain that closes over the sensor like the Canon R5/R6 do).
I have the Holy Trinity of RF F2.8L lenses. For me, and I tried all the lenses available, Canon RF glass is just so much better than anything else. Also, the prime RF F1.2L 50mm & 85mm glass are just bokeh beasts. I do not have the Canon RF 28-70mm F2.0L. I didn’t buy it due to the large filter thread for the front element; I don’t like that when shooting video, I cannot use both my PM Polar Pro 82mm VNDs. That’s my one mistake. I realize that for photography, I would much rather have the RF 28-70mm F2.0L lens.
I have a friend that has an R5 and a 28-70 F2.0L lens, and he does “all” his photography with that one lens. I wish I had that option. Right now, I feel like the RF 50mm F1.2L is a great street photography lens but geez I wish I had that 28-70 F2.0L; that would feel sublime versus using my feet and I just don’t like switching lenses every minute.
So the next two lenses on my list are the RF 28-70 F2.0L and the RF 100-500mm F4.5-xL. Those two lenses should make me just feel like I can select any of my lenses and have the right tool for the job.
I otherwise think that Canon, Nikon, and Sony full-frame cameras all now have amazing autofocus and great sensors. If you need to save money on glass, I can see the great argument for buying Sony (with that one caveat of the sensor needing cleaned with damn near every use) to get super inexpensive third-party lenses. But in my opinion, from talking with people who shoot Sony, they feel the cheap glass is good enough and not as good as using my RF L lenses. When I let my friends use my glass, they’re blown away by it. My next experiment is to use my friend’s Z9 I just bought him as a gift. I hope his mind is blown as much as I hope mine is too, especially with firmware 2.0.
Anyways love the videos. Your photos always look great even with a Canon nifty fifty. Proving that a good photographer with a good model, can make every portrait look stunning. Cheers mate.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!!
I feel like the limitation of the cropp factor during 4k 60p was a marketing decision. If 60p is enough for you then there's no reason to go for the A7SIII.
Interesting comparison. I would not expect that the R6 would have better AF. Keep it up Mitch.
Yes agreed - if Sony had stayed with 24mp and added 60p uncropped the A74 would have been a no brainer camera.
Im a Nikon hybrid shooter myself - its been frustrating waiting for Nikon to properly compete but now with the Z9 hopefully that tech will filter down into mid market camera.
I live in hope 😃
hi, for videos which is best?
Hey Mitch, great video. What camera are you using to film this video?
Canon R6 :)
Great video comparison. I recognise that spot. You were in Bondi!
Maybe it’s just me being used to editing with canon images, but I find Sony images harder to edit because I find myself having to bring back more colour in the Sony compared to Canon.
What do you think of the ibis between the two?
One big factor that wasnt mentioned is ergonomics / feel in the hand. As much as I am pissed off with Canon not letting in 3rd party, Sony just doesnt feel as good in the hand or as well laid out.
I wonder if the AF issue is related to the lens, since haven’t heard such complains
The R to EF mount adaptor is almost seemless I've heard. So for those worried about glass, let's keep that in mind.
Tell me plz which one is best camera.. I will purchase in 2 days...
Plz suggest best one
So what should we buy?
Is it just me? Your footage outside while shooting your beautiful portraits looks way better than your desk, face shots. The desk shots are looking a bit dull and flattened with less more detail on your face, to my opinion. Are your using a different setup for your desk shots?
Great video. Where you really see a major difference is in artificial lighting like strobe or LED. It is impossible to correct the orange skin tones on the Sonys, even the new A7IV. When you are shooting photos for ads and you're in the studio with a client, Canon or Nikon deliver pleasing images straight out of camera, and make you look good in front of your client when reviewing images. I've had to make excuses to my clients as to why the skin looked orange and blotchy. I thought the A7IV would fix this, but it's the same old story. Crappy skin tones. Yes, Sony cameras have great tracking eye autofocus, but after several years of suffering with the colors I went back to Nikon and couldn't be happier. I love the Z6 II and Z7 II and now preordered a Z9.
I'm a Nikon hybrid shooter. So pleasing to see the Dpreview and Tony Northrup videos on the Z9 last week. It looks like Nikon are back in the game tech wise. I can't afford the Z9 but Im hoping now Nikon drop some of the tech into a mid market camera.
Im keeping my fingers crossed they add the multi tilt screen and AF.
You are right about Nikon files they are the best Ive shot and processed Canon and Sony files - I never have to do much to Nikon files they always look great.
What's the best Camera sony7m4 Or canonr6
Almost all Sigma and Tamron lenses are available for EF Canon System
They work perfectly with the adapter
On the other hand
You can have variable ND for all lenses
For video it is definitely a game changer
have both the CPL and ND drop in adaptors honestly the greatest thing ive bought for a camera.
I find the adapter makes the lenses so long it gets uncomfortable but that's just me.
Are these formats RAW?
My only question is what computer you use to read Sony A7 iv RAW because I can’t read them on my iPad Pro. Based on what I read, it’s not supported by Apple.
which camera is best for Still Photography Canon R6 ya Sony mark 4
Please tell me
I am so completely torn between these two cameras. I want to upgrade to mirrorless to photograph my kids and general hobby level stuff. I’m struggling to justify R6 at its price point because of the MP difference. I also am struggling with the cost of the canon glass. There is something in me that really wants canon though!
Did you get a camera? Have you looked at the RP?
I went with Sony A74, but it's because I've gone Sony A7 way back in 2015 and accumulated many Sony lenses already haha 3-4years before Canon even came out with their first mirrorless.
Great video, I've loved my R6 but have been wondering how the competition looked!
I’m gonna say I’ll buy the a7iv since I already have ;) haha but great comparison my dude! Canon and Sony both seem great to me. I feel like sometimes now it comes down into what minor little things might suit you better than the other or if you already have lenses for one then might stick it out. But that’s just me haha
Thank you for this AMAZING comparison 🎉
Great video Mitch. Much love from 🇨🇦.
Is it wrong that I like the unedited images more? The saturation looks better, but maybe the color is a tiny bit off. Edited are a bit flat.
I think the focus issues is from the 35mm GM lens not the camera as I have the same lens which I use on FX3 and sometimes the focus can be a little funny but I could be wrong.
Nope. There’s a whole group of 50+ of us with focus issues and between all of us we’ve replicated the issue on just about every E mount lens available. It happens on all GM glass because it’s not the glass, it’s the algorithm for eye AF.
@@johnd9357 Yup agreed ^
Such a solid comparison dude! Surely both coming away with you then?
Hey Mitch, I notice you often frame your portraits with the focus point in the middle of the frame as apposed to the upper third. I've seen a few photographers do this. What's the reason for this compositional choice?
I am not a photographer by trade but by hobby. From what I have seen if one has a camera that has “eye tracking” then if you place their eyes in the top 1/3 that should put their nose about center frame to frame the subject nicely. Occasionally one may bring the eyes down in the frame to show some of the background to add more color.. or give more bokeh area.. but usually you don’t want to have too much and waste space up top. Hope this helps!
@@dbenedict357 thanks that's helpful
@@chrischadwick1 Excellent!! Glad I could help!
Hi Mitch, which camera did you use for this video?
My only hang up about the A7iv is the giant 4K 60 crop. Seems like a deliberate cripple hammer for a $2500 camera.
I think if they didnt crop it people will no longer buy Siii... but I agree with you ... 2.5k camera should not get the cripple hammer...
Did you compare the specs on the viewfinder? Because you need to change the resolution to high since its on low on factory settings!
I chucked it on high as soon as I got it :)
I dunno what to tell you - the Canon just looks clearer… not sure why
@@MitchLally haha I see! nice video anyways :)
Weird. I have both cameras and i didn't find much difference between the EVFs. The R6 is smoother yes but in terms of detail they seem the same. I use high mode and standard frame rate on the Sony. So far I enjoy the R6 more compared to Sony but the extra Mp Of the sony is nice yo have. Skin tones and auto white balance is Canons. I have yet to remove the magenta and pink hue from Sony skin tones.
They're both 120fps EVF's, perhaps you haven't enabled 120fps on your a7iv evf. Sony for some reason has that off by default but it's the first thing I turned on when I got my camera.
I wonder why Mitch felt the a7iv evf is lower res, the sony is 3.68 million 'dot' and the canon is 3.68 million 'dot'
Great comparison! How would you rate the thermal performance of those cameras?
What's up Mitch thanks for the video. I have a question, I have a Nikon D4 16MP and I used to have a Pentax K1 36MP and when I did (no cropping) whatsoever man what a difference. Maybe because the 16MP in the D4 is kind of "old" and different, but when it came down to sharpness and detail man I could definitely see the difference. Do you think that's not the case when comparing sharpness and detail between the 20MP R6 and the extra 13 million pixels in the A7IV? Maybe the R6 sensor is much newer and superior than my good old D4. What's your opinion?
Been with Sony for years and now have R6. R6 is amazing! Amazing focus and tracking with great color.
The R6 may only have 20mp, but they are high quality MP’s. It’s the same sensor as 1DX3, and nobody ever complained about that sensor.
Now if you crop a lot, definitely go with R5. If not R6 is a huge bargain. I still can’t believe Canon gave all thru did for its price. They show that they care for photographers.
Hey!! Just a question, what camera backpack do you use? It look nice!!
Its the Think Tank Retrospective 15 - there’s a link in the description :)
Which is better for videograpy?
Are you in auto white balance ?
thank you for the video !
Yeah I usually shoot AUTO
great video my friend i will go with sony a7iv for make vloging walk tour in or natrual placese like swizerland but i dont know which lens i have to buy kindly ur advice ...
I owned the R6 for a year and just switched to the A7IV-your assessment feels accurate; I realized the Canon ecosystem was going to be too expensive for a (mostly) hobbyist. Ergonomics and 4k60 go to Canon, but Sony is as good or better in most everything else.
Curious what you think it terms of video at 120fps and stills. Debating on this same switch heavily right now. I shoot food photography and b roll, while also shooting my kids for fun.
@@fattybuttsbbq did you decide yet?
@@fffernxndo I made the switch to the a7 iv. I feel the same as Mark. I do think overall the feel and shooting with the Canon was much nicer. Sony definitely has the upper hand on pricing. I purchased the sigma 24-70 instead of the Sony and it’s great. A lot cheaper than what I paid for the canon rf version. I actually bought that and the 90mm macro Sony lens for the same as the one canon lens. It’s definitely a huge learning curve. I haven’t had much of an issue with the 4k60 crop factor as I usually have enough space when shooting at 24mm. I do like the mp cropping ability going up from 20mp. Some things I really like about the Sony is the clear image zoom, red border recording indicator, using the monitor+ app with my phone, having custom modes for photo and video even though it drives me nuts I can’t set a custom white balance when shooting in a memory mode (not sure if the r6 had this issue). Overall I’m happy with it but definitely miss my canons. Shooting on the canon just felt nicer.
I have a canon lens for my sony A6500. There are adapters for different canon glass to shoot on E-Mount. I also have ventage lenes. That's why I love Sony E-Mount. There are numous adapters to convey a particular look for your portfolio. Also, love manual focus to get pinpoint accuracy during a photo shoot.
purchased your preset package yesterday, which preset did you use for these sample shots?
burleigh!
Thanks for the video) I wanted to ask why the color correction in the video is so not good? your face is completely flat
Hi, I’m a newbie when it comes to mirrorless and without any lenses myself.
Which do you recommend for me? I would most likely use this camera as a hybrid with mixture of videos and photos when travelling, while using it as a webcam for when streaming at home.
Money is not an issue as I would not mind spending it one time using it long term (at least 4-5 years)
Which camera system do you have? I think a 24-70 2.8 will probably meet your needs best.
@@MitchLally no camera systems yet, so was wondering which do you recommend between the A7IV or R6
@@jamesfoo6128 have you decided ?
EF L glass adapted may be old but many like the 16-35 III or 70-200 III are still better than there third party counterparts on the Sony side.
Didn't the R6 get a new firmware upgrade for the heating issue - yet? Thought they all did . . .
I run with the EOS RP and the 6D mkII. Also run with the Sony A7III with Canon EF adapter, and an EF adapter for the RP too. Best of both brands w/o needing to buy RF or GMaster lenses. Was a move that is both cost effective and practical. I'm not seeing any reason to switch, as all my lenses currently used are still just as sharp in practice that I've seen. Mostly all L glass, except for some really sharp Samyang manual primes (14, 24, and 35mm). The 35mm, 24-70Lmm, and 70-200Lmm are my workhorses; works for me. Started photo work while storm chasing, where you do not get much of a second chance for a shot when the adrenaline is running up very high.
I really do like the Sony, though. Just like you said, there are more options to make use of in the menu, even though the menu itself isn't properly intuitive.
Like you videos and photos. All of your little lady models have been super cute in their breezy - yet modest - attire, wandering glances, and pretty smiles. A formula that works well for you.
Great video!! Do you think the AF-problems with the sony compared to the canon will be fixed with a firmware-update ? if I mention for instance my own nikon z6 for example, the current firmware is really great and well-doing compared to the original version ....
Yes! Sony mentioned it is aware of the front focusing issue as of yesterday and a firmware update will be released!
Hey Mitch :) . Do you have RAW Files of the Photos from the A7 IV? I am looking into buying this camera for travelling since I want good video and photo quality. With my Panasonic GH5s I get terrible photo quality haha. And I haven't found good photos from the Sony A7 IV in the internet yet.
sony vs canon which is more durable. Thank
How do you edit a7 IV in raw file? Do you convert it to TIFF?
Definitely the Sony a 7iv. 🤩🙌🏼
raw looks better than edited but that's my personal opinion
Great video comparison, thanks for making it!
Pretty model, and good comparison, thanks
For me its all been about the skin tones. I find my a7III isn't as forgiving with them as canon files.
So since the a7iv seems better in that department it's an easy win. Of course I'd love 4k 60fps FF but I use the 1080p 120fps more often
Try before the a7IV, because i tried it ans, finally, i kept my R6 (better skinstones)
i need your help !! i am planning to shoot more active wear brands photos and videos ! will be my first camera .. and i was thinking to get the sony a7iv + tamron 28-75mm 2.8f g2 or the canon r6 but i have no idea about which all around lens can i get for the canon r6 ?? i would love to know your opinion !! what do you think what will be better to get the sony or the canon ??// thank you
Never start a msg by i need your help
have you tested the r5 yet? comparison with the 6?
I wonder what made you feel that way about the EVF's, Bhphoto says the Sony has a '3.68m-Dot EVF with 120 fps Refresh Rate' and the Canon has a '0.5" 3.69m-Dot OLED EVF' (which I googled is also 120 fps)
Perhaps the sony one just has more magnification, so the resolution seems lower?
btw have you enabled 120fps on your a7iv? It's off by default and makes a big difference in feel.