Credits for this song: Produced by SUGA, J.Pearl Written by SUGA, J.Pearl, RM, j-hope Keyboard - J.Pearl Synthesizer - J.Pearl Additional Production - Supreme Boi Recording Engineers - SUGA @ Genius Lab RM @ Mon Studio j-hope @ Hope World Mix Engineer - Yang Ga @ Big Hit Studio Mastering Engineer - Yang Ga @ Big Hit Studio
6:41 The face being swollen after eating ramen before sleep is due to the amount of sodium that's in ramen Your body stores extra water/fluid when it's trying to balance the extra sodium intake. It doesn't always go to the face sometimes it'll go to the ankles or hands/fingers. Edema is common when you eat alot of sodium.
So true, spices and also salty and sauces are also salty. I can't eat too much or anything salty it creates fluid and my ankles swell up, and blood pressure. I used to watch all the members and often wondered about the high salt intake. 🧂
I prefer not direct diss tracks, they are cleverly built, no need to steep low, and as Suga said "I just set traps for cockroaches, and they always fall in". So all mfs can get in, no need to address them one by one, they don't deserve having 1 song dedicated to them, rather, all in the same sack, hurts more.
I am with you Loredell. Rather then waste my energy/time to get back to the hater, just use the energy/time to do better things and when I reach success, that is the best revenge. For example: B hate A and always talk bad about A. If A reply the same thing to B, we will see 2 people fight each other (never ending fight). If A ignore B and continue concentrate to better himself/herself = less fight and when A success, people will see B as jealous and has no class. Isn't this a better revenge? For me personally, if someone hates me and try to hurt me, I will never give him/her a rent free in my head or my heart. Avoid the toxic as I can but no rent free for them. I am sorry Jurnalist, in this case, lets agree to disagree 😉💜
@@Jurnalist_ if they do diss track for all haters they will have only diss tracks🤷 Besides, rap line said all they needed to say in Cyphers and in the last Cypher (my favorite) they showed that they will not bother with some random a**holes🤷 They are on top. Haters can bark but they don't care. Sorry if my English sucks. It's not my first language.
@@charach7855 It's true, the real "win" is making the public/audience see the hater as a toothless, yapping little thing to be ignored. There's a lesson in the movie "Thank You For Smoking" that I carry with me at all times online: Never argue to convince your opponent. Argue to convince the silent onlookers. If it's an argument where no logical points can score you the win (for example, the mintchoco debate :D ), people will side with the one who carries themselves as if their social power can't be affected by the other person. Verbal and physical violence are signs of losing your temper, and losing your temper is seen as a sign of immaturity in many, many cultures. Raising your voice where I live means automatic defeat, because your opponent can just shake their head and everyone will see them as the winner.
The thing is, they already dissed what they needed to diss in Cyphers part 1-4, so hearing Ddaeng is refreshing and different. It focuses more on lyrics which the ARMY really loves to dissect.
Asian American immigrant here. I find the usage of “oriental” usually acceptable to describe inanimate objects, but will require a lot of understanding of cultural origins to use it correctly. Using oriental to describe people is a big no-no (just sounds racist). “Oriental flavors” also doesn’t sound right to me either because food culture is so distinct. It’s like describing French and Italian food both tasting “European”. For correct usages, it’s acceptable to use “oriental” to describe ideas and themes that are common and ubiquitous throughout East Asian culture. For example, “oriental instruments” is acceptable because there were a lot of overlap of instruments used throughout East Asia, it’s nearly impossible to identify whether the flute is Korean/Chinese/Japanese since they are likely the same instrument with slight modifications. Even music could be described as “oriental” because of the frequent use of pentatonic scale throughout East Asian music. Patterns, basic architecture designs, all can be described as “oriental” if, at first glance, the exact origin is not easily identifiable.
Speak for yourself. I am not offended by any reference to being called oriental. People from Pacific Orient are orientals!!! I don't associate myself being an Asian because I'm nowhere near the Asian continent. People from Philippines are Pacific Islanders, from Pacific orient. It doesn't snow where we are from. You can thank the US government for being lazy and lump all people from SE Asia as Asians to include people from the Pacific Islands when they did the census. Try calling a Middle Eastern an Asian and see their reaction. So to be clear, I am not an Asian, I'm an oriental or pacific islander from Pacific Orient. Simple, direct language.
@@Mairage you're clearly missing the subjective obtuseness that accompanies when "oriental" is applied to people and not objects. Eg, Asian Indian is correct and is factually correct, whereas Eastern Indian is showing Western ethnocentrism. Oriental is similarly subjective if used to describe people, and, definitely an adjective only appropriate for objects, never people.
I find the blurring of the labels or groups, etc a cultural distinction. From what I have learned, callouts tend to be more subtle in Korean culture. They are there and obvious enough to those accustomed to these more subtle references. In fact they may seem brazen to those used to more subtle callouts. But direct callouts, using the name or saying the name directly, is more like a direct challenge and invitation to fight, and may even be legally actionable under Korean law. They are protecting themselves from legal action and outright war with artists/companies or haters while also making it obvious enough who or what they are talking about.
The thing about BTS doing diss tracks ist that despite not necessarily cursing or “being rude”, they still manage to get the message across perfectly. They show that you can absolutely destroy someone without even needing to curse, simply by using the most clever wordplay. With Ddaeng they’re basically showing off their lyrical skills :) You will find more vulgar songs from the rappers individually, but since BTS as a group follows the sentiment of “we’re above you, we don’t need to lower ourselves to you level by cursing”, they do it with genius lyrics!
normally don’t watch BTS reaction channels but I thoroughly enjoy your content. It’s quite refreshing and interesting to listen to a different perspective. You’re not just a BTS and ARMY “yesman” but you hold critical and genuine opinions, sometimes I don’t agree, sometimes I do and sometimes I stand I a grey area. If you do decide to continue watch and engages in BTS’ content I hope that you don’t change your style of content cause it sets you apart and just with BTS (cause I loved the doechii reaction) but that’s what first brought me hear.
BTS approaches things differently. they like to be able to say what they need to say respectfully. you don't always need to be nasty in a diss. BTS slaps you quietly while swiping their black cards lol.
The thing to remember about "oriental": It's ok to describe a thing, not a person. About that double letter stuff: Korean writing looks like they use characters like Chinese, but actually they use an alphabet just like us. Words look like characters because the letters can fit together in squares like puzzle pieces. Each "character" is a syllable made up of letters. Now onto the double letters. English has letters that do not exist in the Korean alphabet, and Korean has letters that do not exist in the English alphabet. We have K and G (which is just a K without letting any air out), P and B (airless P), T and D (you get the idea), But J has no companion. We use CH to add air to this sound. Korean, however, has three letters for K/G sounds, three for P/B, three for T/D, and three for CH/J sounds. They also have two varieties of the letter O where we just have one. They have no V,F, or Z sounds in their language, so no letters for these either. I will explain V's name later. They have ㅋ,ㄱ, and ㄲ for various K/G sounds. The first is closest to our K, the next is about halfway between our G and K, and the third is closest to our G. But we don't have three letters, so to represent ㄲ we use KK. Don't know why it's not GG but there is the answer. For T/D they have ㅌ, ㄷ, and ㄸ. They sound like T, halfway between T and D, and sort of like D. And we use DD to represent that third letter, as in DDaeng. So how do you spell V's name in Korean if they don't have that letter? They use ㅂ which is about halfway between P and B. It's spelled 뷔 or Bui in our alphabet. (Corrected with help of another ARMY)
Since you elaborated on ㄱ (g-ish "k") ㅋ (extra sharp "k"), I'll share one of my favorite tidbits, that one of the Korean lol-terms is ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ which hilariously is the phonetic spelling of that really goofy Cookie Monster-ish laugh (try repeating a sharp "k" again and again really fast)
@5:11 those are actually the names of the Big3 companies (SM, YG, JYP)…In Korea they blurr any time of brand name, etc. if they are not being promoted or whatever by that company. So he isn’t really hiding or whatever. He has to blurr them because it is the law in Korea…hopefully this makes sense…(I don’t really know the correct terminology for everything)
I love this song so much. I love everything about it. 1. The song is so catchy that you can enjoy it sonically without understanding a word. 2. The lyrics, once you've seen the explanation, is mindblowing. 3. There's a behind-the-scenes video that shows you a) the rappers working on the song in the studio, and b) them practicing for a live performance with Jimin and V as their hype men. I love seeing the younger members getting hyped over the rappers' songs. 4. There's a live performance where the four singers rapped. Jungkook rapping RM's verse is gold.
I agree with your sentiments about anger/frustrations being truly demonstrated by cussing. I don't have a "mature" attitude towards revenge either. I would very much like a proper smack down of someone being disrespectful. I hate it when people try to calmly communicate their anger/frustrations, it sounds fake and manipulative to me. But I do like cold/calm sarcasm as an expression of anger too.
BTS doesn’t really do diss tracks. It’s just not their style. They clap back, but tend to do it inserting smart(ass) word play. The haters are generally saying ish on a blatant low level, so when they respond it’s in a style that displays cleverness to flex their skills with language. It points to how that sort of investment in lyricism has gotten them places instead of how a lot of the haters just work in basic lyrics and comments. They a lot of times think about how content can be reflected in form and style (Ugh is aggressive because the topic is anger; in RM’s Change pt. 2 he changes the sound every time because the topic is change). Fire beat on this one, love it. And your reaction to the song and explanation! 💜
He refers that this song is different from other BTS disstracks, I mean the "cyphers pt1, pt2, pt3 and pt4" believe me they do not contain themselves, you can check the cyphers separately but if you want to see a live performance the best is the "Cypher Medley" and the live video has lyrics... I highly recommend this presentation... keep it up, I really like your videos and opinions 💜
The higher on the food chain you are the less one has to fret over those who have not met your level. For BTS at this point in their career to feel they have to out and out diss the few remaining disparaging sunbae who are essentially like roaches hiding in the walls unable to come into out into the light would be like out and out bombing your apartment on TH-cam for all to see when a little professional extermination ends the mess. I like that BTS teased that their success was due to detractors motivating them and now they can look back and see the words of those they thought were so powerful actually have put them in a better place.
I wish the explanation also went into RMs stutter rap. If I remember right it was about how those who belittled them when they weren’t big are now stuttering when meeting them again now that they are huge. Trying to say sssssorry and or hehehehehello
Please read Muish (a translation website) discussion of this song. There it is mentioned that the school references Suga and J-Hope make is regarding the situation in 2017/2018 when taskforces were created to study BTS's success lol. Just for more context if you are interested. I find DKDKTV's interpretation to be lacking in some areas since they do not hold the same amount of context as an army who follows bts news closely would. The redacted names are the BIG 3 labels. I think that's just a cheeky nod. Also, I've always been irked when people call songs like ugh, ddaeng and some of the cyphers except maybe 2, as diss tracks considering that the subject matter of these songs are typical for a hip hop track while diss tracks are specifically aimed at a person. Thoughts?
10:47 I understand your stand on diss-tracks. And I cheer for a good clap back in movies and music. But in rl I am not made for it. I seek harmony and I can't stand it when my people fight. Conflict is something I try to avoid. It's not the best strategy in life, because some conflicts are important to have. Well, I guess, you and I are as different as we can be on this topic 😄😄
Very true but I think if there was a time it was necessary to respond to conflict you would handle it. Violence isn’t always needed to sort a conflict. I’m not hyper violent but if violence is needed I am not shy about it.
BTS have such an influence that they have the capability to ends people. However, that is not what they want - pushing anger from one person to another. They are very influence and have a lot of say, from what I am seeing the members would just send lawyer for any malicious spread about them. They definitely do not forget and will called them out but they will do it in a respectful manner.
You can say oriental. The problem is using it as a term to describe a person. A vase can be oriental. A rug can be oriental. A beat can be oriental. A person can't... Raman has a high sodium content. Hence swelling from water retention. They've already did several in your face diss tracks, so it wasn't really necessary in this one.
I actually don't mind when people use the word Oriental to describe things like rugs or food Etc. But when it comes to describing in Asian person as Oriental is an older term that is no longer used.
1:50 “oriental” is fine for objects. Not for people. And people who are ok with the usage of “oriental” are either not Asian, are Asians from Asian, and/or people who don’t understand the racist undertones of that word in the US and don’t understand the struggles of Asian diaspora.
ㄱ, ㅋ and ㄲ all have the "same" sound for foreign ears I think, but there are small differences in pronunciation. And you're right, sometimes people will hear a G sound, sometimes they will hear a K sound. ㄲ has a more tense G sound, almost like you don't want to say the whole thing or wants to say it as quickly as possible, like you're strangled or something lololol idk how to explain it better sorry. ㄱ is much closer to a full G sound, but can also sound like something in between g and k, sometimes depends of the placement of it in the word. ㅋ is closer to a K sound.
Copying what I wrote elsewhere in case you like: Since you elaborated on ㄱ (g-ish "k") ㅋ (extra sharp "k"), I'll share one of my favorite tidbits, that one of the Korean lol-terms is ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ which hilariously is the phonetic spelling of that really goofy Cookie Monster-ish laugh (try repeating a sharp "k" again and again really fast).
10:04 Fair enough 😂 but you won't find that with BTS. They'll let you know how they feel about you if you disrespect them but they do it with class. However, if you like them a bit more rough, check out Joke by RM. I wouldn't call it a diss track but I bet it shut a lot of haters up who said he couldn't rap well. Joke is the song that made me fall in love with his rapping skills.
The names that were blurred are the big 3 kpop companies that controlled most media, yg, jyp, sm. Your face being swollen after ramen the night before refers to the sodium content in ramen, making the face swell. I'm too high to explain that better rn sry. The k sound in Korean is sort of a mix actually between k and g so you were right in what you were hearing. I believe if you can't make that exact sound, most people go with a G sound, but I think the kk might mean to use the k sound, I'm a bit unclear on that still. 💜
I’ve always said, “Things are oriental. People are Asian.” Here’s the funny part…I actually said it to my Korean mom one time, and she said “That’s stupid.” 😩🤣🤣
that actually doesn't make me laugh, in my life the divide in understanding was painful, the things that a Korean can't understand/grasp given where they grew up hence no sense of community
I’m sorry that was your experience. My mom was blessed to have a great sense of community of fellow Korean immigrants in the US who shared similar experiences, both life in Korea and then in the states. And by “funny”, I didn’t mean funny haha…I meant funny weird. Ironic.
@@jeanniem3313 eg, my cousin who was born in Korea and came when was 11 to America, when I met her for the first time didn't tell me for a month that she was divorced, as if I would judge her. At times I felt like talking to Korean people or relatives was like entering twilight zone. And add to that as a creative the consensus that you're a loser. Which BTS probably makes it easier to be a Korean-American kid and have an artistic personality. (Korean judgey-ness)
@@jeanniem3313 made edits to last post. She also hid the fact she smoked from her own daughter when she would have her for the weekends (was being raised by her grandmother)
Em mic drop, a série cypher e AgustD os caras nos mostraram seu lado raivoso e swag. Eles não são humanos perfeitos, claro, eles ficam com raiva de haters e já entraram com processo contra vários, mas é algo intrínseco no caráter deles não remoer, eles responderam naquela época, disseram tudo o que queriam. Fim. Hoje em dia eles vivem bem, são bem sucedidos, a indiferença é a melhor resposta ao hate, e o sucesso a melhor resposta pro descrédito e inveja.
😂😂 i wish you knew the history behind kpop fanwars, back in the day before kpop was big and mainstream, different groups fans would literally get into fights throw hands and even knifes 😭 they would get arrested and would literally try to harm the other idols, nowadays this doesn’t happen anymore i wish there was a video talking abt it bc it was crazy lmaoooo
Haha I'm with you on the diss tracks, although I do like a "general flex" song . This is just fun and catchy. I swear I went around saying "dang" after every sentence for about a week lol. But Suga, I think will probably be more your style. He is known for the "no sugar coating, tell it like it is" kind of songs, although he can do it all.
I want to say I disagree with the last part, the "frog in the well" correlation,... Yes he refers to narrow minded people, idols, rappers, but to their small world they live in as being narrow minded, not to the small country(they are proud Koreans, with respect for the country and its people)
I think the usage of 'oriental" is totally acceptable when you speak about some common cultural things, like music, food, movies, or traditional dance. But for an european/and french point of view, it has nothing to do with East Asia, it's refere to Middle East and North Africa (the influence sphere of the old ottoman empire I guess ?) Plus : BTS are always smart, class, and respectful, even in heir diss track, and I love that. They don't need to be nasty, vulgar or rude like some other rappers. They use irony, sarcasm, word play, their intelligence and cultural bagage in their lyrics, specially as they grown, and for me, this "sassyness" is the better way to show they are fare above these people now: haters are just like dust under their sole.
Usually in Asian countries we have this censorship body which will filter songs or dramas or movies before it can be aired in radio station or tv or cinemas. In songs the lyrics should not contain any vulgar or cursing words. In my country many American movies doesn’t get played in cinemas if it contains obscene scenes or racism or sentiment which can hurt our beliefs.
5:09 THE WAY I JUST UGLY LAUGHED LMFAOOOOOO you and these redactions xDDDD 6:14 yes. There g/k and p/b are interchangeable in the Korean language. Heavily influenced by dialects and the word in general to pinpoint which sound is more prevalent. 6:54 RMS WORDPLAY IS GOD TIERRRRRRRRRRRR IDCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC He's my bias and this is why. Fucking legend 10:10 "I like my disstracks as rude as possible" I AM CRYINGGGGGGGGGGGG LMFAO SHUT UP xD
The redactions get pretty peak. 😂 Yea I could tell there was word playin was missing out on. The more disrespectful the better imo. I want to be rewinding the record like what’d he say. I remember when Gucci got dissed by Jeeezy. Jeezy said “ even his own mama knows Roderick Davis is a bitch.”😮💨😂😂😂
@@Jurnalist_ THE WAY I SCREAMED 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jeezy really ain’t shit I forgot about that lmaooooooo I love them disrespectful disstracks man I honestly can’t wait for the rap line to let lose because the shit they can say if they’re allowed to 💀
@@Boraheartsss that’s one of my all time fav beefs. Gucci got his lick back during that versus they did. But i I’ll never forget that bar. Yea I need the rap line to talk about folks so openly that folks really get feelings hurt. 😂 I like my rap beef messy and disrespectful. 🤷🏾♂️
Well, BTS has lots of songs So if you're looking for songs that are disrespectful as possible I'm pretty sure you're gonna find one I don't know much about the song title But I once heard a diss song were RM sang this line "I wish you won't die, before I can kill you" Anyways, there's also a line from another song that says "My MUSIC ain't for everybody" "Especially not for you, b*tch!" Suga has lots of diss tracks that also has lots of dirty jokes about their haters 😅 I'm actually pretty impressed that the curse words aren't muted out so you can clearly hear Suga curse "go F*CK yourself" Anyways, I don't think those songs are considered BTS songs cause it's too much for their image, so I'm pretty sure those songs are credited directly into their names and not BTS
As a Korean American I don’t use word “oriental” most of the time. I prefer the word “Asian “. BTS is very conscious that there are many young armies in the fandom so they are careful about words used in their songs, vlive and how they behave in front of the camera. They never want to let down army as well as that they are very humble individuals. I don’t think it’s in their nature to say F U to certain individuals or organizations. I like the subtle usage of words as I find them to be clever.
Wowwww TH-cam strike on a diss track? That's 🤯 I definitely appreciate your question about the word Oriental but since I'm not Asian, I will leave it to someone else to answer.
Confusing woah and I thought English had been bustardized. FACE swollen after Raeman could be its spices. South Korean language is only spoken in South Korea. Honorifics and manners is so engrained in them . Very complicated . I just enjoy the music etc
My brain long term will not allow me to just enjoy. It will seek understanding that eventually forces me to go learn a thing so I can have a deeper level of understanding so I can just enjoy it. It’s very annoying sometimes. I wish I could just tune in enjoy and not think any more about it.
Usually or mostly the older Asian generation still say it sometimes. Please don’t call something or someone oriental if you’re not from Asia. That’s all I’ll say about that.
Has the word "oriental" really been phased out? I'm American and still use a company called "Oriental Trading" for school and party supplies. It's honestly news to me. In fact, I know of a couple of restrauants and a grocery store with that word in it. Instead of it being offensive, has it perhaps been replaced with specific words to honor the Asian culture instead. For example, use Korean instead of "oriental"? Either way, if it has, then my apologies for saying it. You learn something new everyday.
It's mainly a problem if people don't know it's not okay to use it regarding people. It's okay to say Oriental spice Oriental rug Oriental vase Oriental trading
"allowed"? What's wrong with the word Oriental now? I swear, every single weird or crazy thing comes from America 😂 Edit: From an outsider prospective: America is the place that loves Freedom but censors everyone's thoughts. There's hate for christians, hate towards white people, people there can identify as whatever they want, feminism became something where women should be better than men, men try so hard to be alpha, there's a decline in respect towards women, black people are defended by anything negative and treasured more than any other race because of the slavery past (literally people got called racist for making black actors be antagonists) there's a lot of asian hate, the food is full of sugar which makes a big part of the population obese, the police attacks civilians (especially black people), school shootings (the craziest of them all), extremely overpriced medicines and healthcare et cetera. This is what America looks like from the outside, this is what internet depicted America as. Now that i discovered that even a word like oriental is considered racist there, i worry for the life kids that live there. Is America really like this or it's just what the media made it look like?
I understand why Asian Americans/Europeans don't like the word as it was used as a way to exoticize and demonise Asians in the past. "The oriental devils", etc.
I think if you take any regular word and use it in a racist way long enough or harshly enough, it eventually will be treated as a slur (or close enough). I'm not sure that Oriental was widely used in such an overtly racist way but it was definitely used as a dogwhistle. Especially around older white folk referring to all Asians as "the orientals" + adding a snide racist comment about them. Often also refusing to ever make any distinction among them. Now I think they've just started calling all Asians "Chinese" instead even if you tell them that a person is Korean or Japanese etc.
Yea....... as an American, from what I understand. It's Because for a long time the term oriental wasn't just used for mostly products but for people as well and alot of Asian Americans found it offensive to be used and categorized with the same term used for objects. For the most part it wasn't a purposely used offensive term. But I have seen and heard people refer to Asian cuisine, product and music as Oriental with a air of displeasure or disgust before..... I know there was a lot that Asian Americans went through when it comes to the way their culture was viewed by either being fetishized or "othered". So it became sorta "racist" to use the term especially towards people 🤷🏾♀️ the funny thing is most Asian people I know or have met don't get offended by the word at all so I have no idea if they actually view it that way. I can only give you what I've seen and heard from others and since no group of people are monolithic I won't truly be able to give a full reason 🤷🏾♀️ but I hope that helps somewhat....
Ok, let's see ... so "Oriental" used to be a regular normal word to associate with Asia/Asians back in the 1970's in the US because it had been a normal word for decades before that, simply as a term coined perhaps majorly by white people in the US & maybe other western nations. However, the word is ancient Latin/French in origin to also describe the same geographic direction centuries before, i.e. Asia, Middle East, India, etc relative to the west side of Afroeurasia. So as you can see, "orient" did not originally necessarily describe just Asia & Asian people. Was there a xenophobic & racial wall that was in place before & during its usage? Sure. Maybe. Anyway, I have seen "oriental" a lot in magazines, books, conversations, even recipes (yes, recipe books), back in the 1970's & early 1980's. However, over the years, the word sort of started falling out, becoming outdated, because of the negative perceptions it may have inadvertently AND/OR advertently placed on Asians, even Asians born in the US. As others have replied here, the word was sometimes used disparagingly & sometimes the word had become so common that even Asians have become ok with it, especially the younger generations who were not aware of the word's historical negative connotation in some context. Is "oriental" still accurate? Sure, more or less, it just means "east, towards a rising sun". It has even etymologically become a word to describe physical direction. Is also calling Asians "Oriental" a misnomer? Not really, it still has some truth to it. Compare this, for example, to the words "America/American" to describe, allude to, or directly define the US & its citizens & that would be an actual misnomer. When someone says "I love America", they most likely are actually saying "I love the US" in that context, not "I love the American continent" which would be the proper semantical meaning. The word "America" became so tied with the US that even internationally it became unawaringly common & it also enraged people in the US to people in other parts of America, like maybe Brazil, who correctly complained that the US should not have the sole usage of the term. So, if we are going to continue to use "orient/oriental", then it would only be fair to use "occident/occidental" more & more to signify the "west" to the point of normality. You know, that word that sounds like "accident/accidental". For decades & also currently, people who have used the word "occident" were those who were/are mainly in higher academic circles, not the general public. That was the unfairness of the word back then, where "Orient" was used a lot to describe Asians, yet rarely anyone in the common public used "Occident" to denote & represent not just the US but also other western countries, or even maybe even white people in general.A reason for this was that geolocational relativity was a big factor in it, meaning Orient was used to signify the "East" mostly by the US & western countries, but the US did not really call themselves "Occident". Instead, the common usage was just "the west", which is what we still use today, by the entire globe. Can BTS use the word "oriental" & "occidental" in their lyrics? Yes, absolutely, just as DKDKTV has used "oriental" here simply because he may not be aware of its usage in the US, which again its meaning was not always in the positive light. It's all about contextual usage & how BTS may apply it. I could continue, but I don't to make this reply any longer, heh. But there have been many discussions & essays on this over the years, so Google is your friend.
Creo que a este señor no le gusta BTS,el está como el que una vez les dijo (a BTS) que por que no hacían un disco en inglés.Como diciendo si me gustan pero si cantaran y se comportaran como estadounidenses si sería su fan Y creo que BTS no necesita personas así .Esta es mi opinión 😊💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
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Idc if this wasn't enough "diss" cuz the word play is mad genius. If you're korean, you will feel dissed enough with all the double meaning 😂
As Korean, we don't really get triggered by curse word but we got easily triggered by sarcasm/teasing..😂
@@김화은-l1r For real curse words aren't satisfying at all. It's the sarcasm double meanings that hits 😂
@@김화은-l1r fascinating. My sister and I were born in America but in retrospect she HATED if I ever gave her deserved sarcasm.
Credits for this song:
Produced by SUGA, J.Pearl
Written by SUGA, J.Pearl, RM, j-hope
Keyboard - J.Pearl
Synthesizer - J.Pearl
Additional Production - Supreme Boi
Recording Engineers - SUGA @ Genius Lab
RM @ Mon Studio
j-hope @ Hope World
Mix Engineer - Yang Ga @ Big Hit Studio
Mastering Engineer - Yang Ga @ Big Hit Studio
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The face being swollen after eating ramen before sleep is due to the amount of sodium that's in ramen
Your body stores extra water/fluid when it's trying to balance the extra sodium intake. It doesn't always go to the face sometimes it'll go to the ankles or hands/fingers. Edema is common when you eat alot of sodium.
So true, spices and also salty and sauces are also salty. I can't eat too much or anything salty it creates fluid and my ankles swell up, and blood pressure.
I used to watch all the members and often wondered about the high salt intake. 🧂
I prefer not direct diss tracks, they are cleverly built, no need to steep low, and as Suga said "I just set traps for cockroaches, and they always fall in". So all mfs can get in, no need to address them one by one, they don't deserve having 1 song dedicated to them, rather, all in the same sack, hurts more.
If man wanna war me then he better be vocal. I like my disrespect to be very forward.
I am with you Loredell. Rather then waste my energy/time to get back to the hater, just use the energy/time to do better things and when I reach success, that is the best revenge.
For example: B hate A and always talk bad about A. If A reply the same thing to B, we will see 2 people fight each other (never ending fight).
If A ignore B and continue concentrate to better himself/herself = less fight and when A success, people will see B as jealous and has no class. Isn't this a better revenge?
For me personally, if someone hates me and try to hurt me, I will never give him/her a rent free in my head or my heart. Avoid the toxic as I can but no rent free for them.
I am sorry Jurnalist, in this case, lets agree to disagree 😉💜
@@Jurnalist_ if they do diss track for all haters they will have only diss tracks🤷 Besides, rap line said all they needed to say in Cyphers and in the last Cypher (my favorite) they showed that they will not bother with some random a**holes🤷 They are on top. Haters can bark but they don't care.
Sorry if my English sucks. It's not my first language.
@@charach7855 It's true, the real "win" is making the public/audience see the hater as a toothless, yapping little thing to be ignored.
There's a lesson in the movie "Thank You For Smoking" that I carry with me at all times online:
Never argue to convince your opponent. Argue to convince the silent onlookers.
If it's an argument where no logical points can score you the win (for example, the mintchoco debate :D ), people will side with the one who carries themselves as if their social power can't be affected by the other person.
Verbal and physical violence are signs of losing your temper, and losing your temper is seen as a sign of immaturity in many, many cultures. Raising your voice where I live means automatic defeat, because your opponent can just shake their head and everyone will see them as the winner.
The thing is, they already dissed what they needed to diss in Cyphers part 1-4, so hearing Ddaeng is refreshing and different. It focuses more on lyrics which the ARMY really loves to dissect.
Asian American immigrant here. I find the usage of “oriental” usually acceptable to describe inanimate objects, but will require a lot of understanding of cultural origins to use it correctly. Using oriental to describe people is a big no-no (just sounds racist). “Oriental flavors” also doesn’t sound right to me either because food culture is so distinct. It’s like describing French and Italian food both tasting “European”. For correct usages, it’s acceptable to use “oriental” to describe ideas and themes that are common and ubiquitous throughout East Asian culture. For example, “oriental instruments” is acceptable because there were a lot of overlap of instruments used throughout East Asia, it’s nearly impossible to identify whether the flute is Korean/Chinese/Japanese since they are likely the same instrument with slight modifications. Even music could be described as “oriental” because of the frequent use of pentatonic scale throughout East Asian music. Patterns, basic architecture designs, all can be described as “oriental” if, at first glance, the exact origin is not easily identifiable.
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Speak for yourself. I am not offended by any reference to being called oriental. People from Pacific Orient are orientals!!! I don't associate myself being an Asian because I'm nowhere near the Asian continent. People from Philippines are Pacific Islanders, from Pacific orient. It doesn't snow where we are from. You can thank the US government for being lazy and lump all people from SE Asia as Asians to include people from the Pacific Islands when they did the census. Try calling a Middle Eastern an Asian and see their reaction. So to be clear, I am not an Asian, I'm an oriental or pacific islander from Pacific Orient. Simple, direct language.
@@Mairage tots aren't privy to the history, but ur allowed to subjugate yoself
@@Mairage you're clearly missing the subjective obtuseness that accompanies when "oriental" is applied to people and not objects. Eg, Asian Indian is correct and is factually correct, whereas Eastern Indian is showing Western ethnocentrism. Oriental is similarly subjective if used to describe people, and, definitely an adjective only appropriate for objects, never people.
@@Mairage I'm sure if you read all the comments around here it will open your eyes ...
I find the blurring of the labels or groups, etc a cultural distinction. From what I have learned, callouts tend to be more subtle in Korean culture. They are there and obvious enough to those accustomed to these more subtle references. In fact they may seem brazen to those used to more subtle callouts.
But direct callouts, using the name or saying the name directly, is more like a direct challenge and invitation to fight, and may even be legally actionable under Korean law. They are protecting themselves from legal action and outright war with artists/companies or haters while also making it obvious enough who or what they are talking about.
The thing about BTS doing diss tracks ist that despite not necessarily cursing or “being rude”, they still manage to get the message across perfectly. They show that you can absolutely destroy someone without even needing to curse, simply by using the most clever wordplay. With Ddaeng they’re basically showing off their lyrical skills :) You will find more vulgar songs from the rappers individually, but since BTS as a group follows the sentiment of “we’re above you, we don’t need to lower ourselves to you level by cursing”, they do it with genius lyrics!
normally don’t watch BTS reaction channels but I thoroughly enjoy your content. It’s quite refreshing and interesting to listen to a different perspective. You’re not just a BTS and ARMY “yesman” but you hold critical and genuine opinions, sometimes I don’t agree, sometimes I do and sometimes I stand I a grey area. If you do decide to continue watch and engages in BTS’ content I hope that you don’t change your style of content cause it sets you apart and just with BTS (cause I loved the doechii reaction) but that’s what first brought me hear.
Ty very much style will not change. No one will get a yes man and I still will be open and honest with every song.
BTS approaches things differently. they like to be able to say what they need to say respectfully. you don't always need to be nasty in a diss. BTS slaps you quietly while swiping their black cards lol.
The thing to remember about "oriental": It's ok to describe a thing, not a person.
About that double letter stuff:
Korean writing looks like they use characters like Chinese, but actually they use an alphabet just like us. Words look like characters because the letters can fit together in squares like puzzle pieces. Each "character" is a syllable made up of letters. Now onto the double letters.
English has letters that do not exist in the Korean alphabet, and Korean has letters that do not exist in the English alphabet. We have K and G (which is just a K without letting any air out), P and B (airless P), T and D (you get the idea), But J has no companion. We use CH to add air to this sound.
Korean, however, has three letters for K/G sounds, three for P/B, three for T/D, and three for CH/J sounds. They also have two varieties of the letter O where we just have one. They have no V,F, or Z sounds in their language, so no letters for these either. I will explain V's name later.
They have ㅋ,ㄱ, and ㄲ for various K/G sounds. The first is closest to our K, the next is about halfway between our G and K, and the third is closest to our G. But we don't have three letters, so to represent ㄲ we use KK. Don't know why it's not GG but there is the answer.
For T/D they have ㅌ, ㄷ, and ㄸ. They sound like T, halfway between T and D, and sort of like D. And we use DD to represent that third letter, as in DDaeng.
So how do you spell V's name in Korean if they don't have that letter? They use ㅂ which is about halfway between P and B. It's spelled
뷔 or Bui in our alphabet. (Corrected with help of another ARMY)
Is that right now? 🤔
Isn't V spelled 뷔? Never seen it spelled with a ㅍ.
@@Ali-OT7ARMY oh yes!! You are correct. Thank you!!
@@JoobieLoobieSoobie 😊💜 Borahae!!!
Since you elaborated on ㄱ (g-ish "k") ㅋ (extra sharp "k"), I'll share one of my favorite tidbits, that one of the Korean lol-terms is ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ which hilariously is the phonetic spelling of that really goofy Cookie Monster-ish laugh (try repeating a sharp "k" again and again really fast)
@5:11 those are actually the names of the Big3 companies (SM, YG, JYP)…In Korea they blurr any time of brand name, etc. if they are not being promoted or whatever by that company. So he isn’t really hiding or whatever. He has to blurr them because it is the law in Korea…hopefully this makes sense…(I don’t really know the correct terminology for everything)
Thx for watching David of DKDKTV explaining DDAENG by our BTS! ☺️
The wordplay is genius and so much more clever than straight-on dissing.
I love this song so much. I love everything about it.
1. The song is so catchy that you can enjoy it sonically without understanding a word.
2. The lyrics, once you've seen the explanation, is mindblowing.
3. There's a behind-the-scenes video that shows you a) the rappers working on the song in the studio, and b) them practicing for a live performance with Jimin and V as their hype men. I love seeing the younger members getting hyped over the rappers' songs.
4. There's a live performance where the four singers rapped. Jungkook rapping RM's verse is gold.
I agree with your sentiments about anger/frustrations being truly demonstrated by cussing. I don't have a "mature" attitude towards revenge either. I would very much like a proper smack down of someone being disrespectful. I hate it when people try to calmly communicate their anger/frustrations, it sounds fake and manipulative to me. But I do like cold/calm sarcasm as an expression of anger too.
My one change to this. Being angry is fine but how you respond to it and how you express it is very key. But again I’m still not that evolved myself.
BTS doesn’t really do diss tracks. It’s just not their style. They clap back, but tend to do it inserting smart(ass) word play. The haters are generally saying ish on a blatant low level, so when they respond it’s in a style that displays cleverness to flex their skills with language. It points to how that sort of investment in lyricism has gotten them places instead of how a lot of the haters just work in basic lyrics and comments. They a lot of times think about how content can be reflected in form and style (Ugh is aggressive because the topic is anger; in RM’s Change pt. 2 he changes the sound every time because the topic is change). Fire beat on this one, love it. And your reaction to the song and explanation! 💜
He refers that this song is different from other BTS disstracks, I mean the "cyphers pt1, pt2, pt3 and pt4" believe me they do not contain themselves, you can check the cyphers separately but if you want to see a live performance the best is the "Cypher Medley" and the live video has lyrics... I highly recommend this presentation... keep it up, I really like your videos and opinions 💜
The higher on the food chain you are the less one has to fret over those who have not met your level. For BTS at this point in their career to feel they have to out and out diss the few remaining disparaging sunbae who are essentially like roaches hiding in the walls unable to come into out into the light would be like out and out bombing your apartment on TH-cam for all to see when a little professional extermination ends the mess. I like that BTS teased that their success was due to detractors motivating them and now they can look back and see the words of those they thought were so powerful actually have put them in a better place.
I wish the explanation also went into RMs stutter rap. If I remember right it was about how those who belittled them when they weren’t big are now stuttering when meeting them again now that they are huge. Trying to say sssssorry and or hehehehehello
Please read Muish (a translation website) discussion of this song. There it is mentioned that the school references Suga and J-Hope make is regarding the situation in 2017/2018 when taskforces were created to study BTS's success lol. Just for more context if you are interested. I find DKDKTV's interpretation to be lacking in some areas since they do not hold the same amount of context as an army who follows bts news closely would.
The redacted names are the BIG 3 labels. I think that's just a cheeky nod.
Also, I've always been irked when people call songs like ugh, ddaeng and some of the cyphers except maybe 2, as diss tracks considering that the subject matter of these songs are typical for a hip hop track while diss tracks are specifically aimed at a person. Thoughts?
Thankyou I will look up Muish website.
5:15 I mean it’s pretty obvious it’s the big three kpop company logos so I don’t think they blurred it that well on purpose 😂
Yea I could tell. That’s what made it even funnier.
10:47 I understand your stand on diss-tracks. And I cheer for a good clap back in movies and music. But in rl I am not made for it. I seek harmony and I can't stand it when my people fight. Conflict is something I try to avoid. It's not the best strategy in life, because some conflicts are important to have. Well, I guess, you and I are as different as we can be on this topic 😄😄
Very true but I think if there was a time it was necessary to respond to conflict you would handle it. Violence isn’t always needed to sort a conflict. I’m not hyper violent but if violence is needed I am not shy about it.
BTS have such an influence that they have the capability to ends people. However, that is not what they want - pushing anger from one person to another. They are very influence and have a lot of say, from what I am seeing the members would just send lawyer for any malicious spread about them. They definitely do not forget and will called them out but they will do it in a respectful manner.
You can say oriental. The problem is using it as a term to describe a person. A vase can be oriental. A rug can be oriental. A beat can be oriental. A person can't...
Raman has a high sodium content. Hence swelling from water retention.
They've already did several in your face diss tracks, so it wasn't really necessary in this one.
Live performance is called "Ddaeng Bantan Bomb Prom Party stage"💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I actually don't mind when people use the word Oriental to describe things like rugs or food Etc. But when it comes to describing in Asian person as Oriental is an older term that is no longer used.
1:50 “oriental” is fine for objects. Not for people. And people who are ok with the usage of “oriental” are either not Asian, are Asians from Asian, and/or people who don’t understand the racist undertones of that word in the US and don’t understand the struggles of Asian diaspora.
ㄱ, ㅋ and ㄲ all have the "same" sound for foreign ears I think, but there are small differences in pronunciation. And you're right, sometimes people will hear a G sound, sometimes they will hear a K sound. ㄲ has a more tense G sound, almost like you don't want to say the whole thing or wants to say it as quickly as possible, like you're strangled or something lololol idk how to explain it better sorry. ㄱ is much closer to a full G sound, but can also sound like something in between g and k, sometimes depends of the placement of it in the word. ㅋ is closer to a K sound.
Copying what I wrote elsewhere in case you like:
Since you elaborated on ㄱ (g-ish "k") ㅋ (extra sharp "k"), I'll share one of my favorite tidbits, that one of the Korean lol-terms is ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ which hilariously is the phonetic spelling of that really goofy Cookie Monster-ish laugh (try repeating a sharp "k" again and again really fast).
@@sc33h3o3 hahahahaha whats funny is that portuguese has almost the same laugh "kkkkkkkkkk"
@@marirezende8478 loll
10:04 Fair enough 😂 but you won't find that with BTS. They'll let you know how they feel about you if you disrespect them but they do it with class. However, if you like them a bit more rough, check out Joke by RM. I wouldn't call it a diss track but I bet it shut a lot of haters up who said he couldn't rap well. Joke is the song that made me fall in love with his rapping skills.
5:08😂😂😂😂 leave them alone, we don't want to be accused of being trouble makers...well most Armys don't want to, some of us don't care, lol
The names that were blurred are the big 3 kpop companies that controlled most media, yg, jyp, sm. Your face being swollen after ramen the night before refers to the sodium content in ramen, making the face swell. I'm too high to explain that better rn sry. The k sound in Korean is sort of a mix actually between k and g so you were right in what you were hearing. I believe if you can't make that exact sound, most people go with a G sound, but I think the kk might mean to use the k sound, I'm a bit unclear on that still. 💜
I’ve always said, “Things are oriental. People are Asian.”
Here’s the funny part…I actually said it to my Korean mom one time, and she said “That’s stupid.” 😩🤣🤣
that actually doesn't make me laugh, in my life the divide in understanding was painful, the things that a Korean can't understand/grasp given where they grew up hence no sense of community
I’m sorry that was your experience. My mom was blessed to have a great sense of community of fellow Korean immigrants in the US who shared similar experiences, both life in Korea and then in the states.
And by “funny”, I didn’t mean funny haha…I meant funny weird. Ironic.
@@jeanniem3313 eg, my cousin who was born in Korea and came when was 11 to America, when I met her for the first time didn't tell me for a month that she was divorced, as if I would judge her. At times I felt like talking to Korean people or relatives was like entering twilight zone. And add to that as a creative the consensus that you're a loser. Which BTS probably makes it easier to be a Korean-American kid and have an artistic personality. (Korean judgey-ness)
@@jeanniem3313 made edits to last post. She also hid the fact she smoked from her own daughter when she would have her for the weekends (was being raised by her grandmother)
@@jeanniem3313 ah. Ironic.
“Please be as disrespectful as possible.” 🤣🤣🤣
Em mic drop, a série cypher e AgustD os caras nos mostraram seu lado raivoso e swag. Eles não são humanos perfeitos, claro, eles ficam com raiva de haters e já entraram com processo contra vários, mas é algo intrínseco no caráter deles não remoer, eles responderam naquela época, disseram tudo o que queriam. Fim. Hoje em dia eles vivem bem, são bem sucedidos, a indiferença é a melhor resposta ao hate, e o sucesso a melhor resposta pro descrédito e inveja.
😂😂 i wish you knew the history behind kpop fanwars, back in the day before kpop was big and mainstream, different groups fans would literally get into fights throw hands and even knifes 😭 they would get arrested and would literally try to harm the other idols, nowadays this doesn’t happen anymore i wish there was a video talking abt it bc it was crazy lmaoooo
Yea I need that video
@@Jurnalist_ don’t know if you saw but i found this video abt it, it’s pretty interesting th-cam.com/video/gzReb5yzznU/w-d-xo.html
Haha I'm with you on the diss tracks, although I do like a "general flex" song . This is just fun and catchy. I swear I went around saying "dang" after every sentence for about a week lol. But Suga, I think will probably be more your style. He is known for the "no sugar coating, tell it like it is" kind of songs, although he can do it all.
“Oriental” is ok when its not used for people.
Things are oriental. People arent.
I want to say I disagree with the last part, the "frog in the well" correlation,... Yes he refers to narrow minded people, idols, rappers, but to their small world they live in as being narrow minded, not to the small country(they are proud Koreans, with respect for the country and its people)
yay!
I think the usage of 'oriental" is totally acceptable when you speak about some common cultural things, like music, food, movies, or traditional dance. But for an european/and french point of view, it has nothing to do with East Asia, it's refere to Middle East and North Africa (the influence sphere of the old ottoman empire I guess ?)
Plus : BTS are always smart, class, and respectful, even in heir diss track, and I love that. They don't need to be nasty, vulgar or rude like some other rappers. They use irony, sarcasm, word play, their intelligence and cultural bagage in their lyrics, specially as they grown, and for me, this "sassyness" is the better way to show they are fare above these people now: haters are just like dust under their sole.
They are indeed surgery😁💜
Usually in Asian countries we have this censorship body which will filter songs or dramas or movies before it can be aired in radio station or tv or cinemas. In songs the lyrics should not contain any vulgar or cursing words. In my country many American movies doesn’t get played in cinemas if it contains obscene scenes or racism or sentiment which can hurt our beliefs.
5:09 THE WAY I JUST UGLY LAUGHED LMFAOOOOOO you and these redactions xDDDD
6:14 yes. There g/k and p/b are interchangeable in the Korean language. Heavily influenced by dialects and the word in general to pinpoint which sound is more prevalent.
6:54 RMS WORDPLAY IS GOD TIERRRRRRRRRRRR IDCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC He's my bias and this is why. Fucking legend
10:10 "I like my disstracks as rude as possible" I AM CRYINGGGGGGGGGGGG LMFAO SHUT UP xD
The redactions get pretty peak. 😂
Yea I could tell there was word playin was missing out on.
The more disrespectful the better imo. I want to be rewinding the record like what’d he say.
I remember when Gucci got dissed by Jeeezy. Jeezy said “ even his own mama knows Roderick Davis is a bitch.”😮💨😂😂😂
@@Jurnalist_ THE WAY I SCREAMED 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jeezy really ain’t shit I forgot about that lmaooooooo I love them disrespectful disstracks man I honestly can’t wait for the rap line to let lose because the shit they can say if they’re allowed to 💀
@@Boraheartsss that’s one of my all time fav beefs. Gucci got his lick back during that versus they did. But i I’ll never forget that bar.
Yea I need the rap line to talk about folks so openly that folks really get feelings hurt. 😂
I like my rap beef messy and disrespectful. 🤷🏾♂️
man the blurred thingy are to avoid lawsuit. it has nothing to do with fan war
by now i know but i still find it hilarious.
@@Jurnalist_ true 😂 so you would've done it anyways, with the risk of a lawsuit ? 😂😭
Well, BTS has lots of songs
So if you're looking for songs that are disrespectful as possible
I'm pretty sure you're gonna find one
I don't know much about the song title
But I once heard a diss song were RM sang this line "I wish you won't die, before I can kill you"
Anyways, there's also a line from another song that says "My MUSIC ain't for everybody"
"Especially not for you, b*tch!"
Suga has lots of diss tracks that also has lots of dirty jokes about their haters 😅
I'm actually pretty impressed that the curse words aren't muted out so you can clearly hear Suga curse "go F*CK yourself"
Anyways, I don't think those songs are considered BTS songs cause it's too much for their image, so I'm pretty sure those songs are credited directly into their names and not BTS
As a Korean American I don’t use word “oriental” most of the time. I prefer the word “Asian “. BTS is very conscious that there are many young armies in the fandom so they are careful about words used in their songs, vlive and how they behave in front of the camera. They never want to let down army as well as that they are very humble individuals. I don’t think it’s in their nature to say F U to certain individuals or organizations. I like the subtle usage of words as I find them to be clever.
Wowwww TH-cam strike on a diss track? That's 🤯
I definitely appreciate your question about the word Oriental but since I'm not Asian, I will leave it to someone else to answer.
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Confusing woah and I thought English had been bustardized. FACE swollen after Raeman could be its spices. South Korean language is only spoken in South Korea. Honorifics and manners is so engrained in them . Very complicated . I just enjoy the music etc
My brain long term will not allow me to just enjoy. It will seek understanding that eventually forces me to go learn a thing so I can have a deeper level of understanding so I can just enjoy it. It’s very annoying sometimes. I wish I could just tune in enjoy and not think any more about it.
@@Jurnalist_ I hear you even though I enjoy the music I Spend every day listening and lea.rning aboutvthe history
@@suzettedezilwa7486 it’s a lot but it seems to fulfill me long term. But the grind is long and I wish I could just know it already. 😂😭
He can use oriental to describe a music beat but he would not use it to refer to a person.
I don't think the oriental flavor was discontinued. I think they renamed it. Think it's called soy sauce now.
That’s even worse of a name. Say it ain’t so😂😂
You should react to "AGUST D" by AGUST D/Suga I think you will like the level of disrespect in that song. 😅
But isnt oriental literally just a cultural/regional description (depending on the kontext)?
How it was taught to me. It was used to describe people and places and food.
I think (from what I've seen) people only use oriental when referring like to things
Yea my experience has seen it go from a word plus a slur to a non usage word at least in my vocabulary.
Oriental is appropriate when referring to music style /instruments or decor...but not to people
Yes it's too aesthetic
Usually or mostly the older Asian generation still say it sometimes. Please don’t call something or someone oriental if you’re not from Asia. That’s all I’ll say about that.
He can say oriental... shouldn't but can. U shouldn't. Same rule.
😂😂😂 good thing I stopped using it back in the day. 🥲
Yes a g sound...Just like Maknae and Jungkook ....Jun Gook...not Jun cook.......mag nae....not Mack nae
In the same vein Sugas name Yoongi...is really pronounced Yoon ki....not Yoon gi
Has the word "oriental" really been phased out? I'm American and still use a company called "Oriental Trading" for school and party supplies. It's honestly news to me. In fact, I know of a couple of restrauants and a grocery store with that word in it. Instead of it being offensive, has it perhaps been replaced with specific words to honor the Asian culture instead. For example, use Korean instead of "oriental"? Either way, if it has, then my apologies for saying it. You learn something new everyday.
It's mainly a problem if people don't know it's not okay to use it regarding people. It's okay to say Oriental spice Oriental rug Oriental vase Oriental trading
6:35 salt content
I'm sure someone already explained but things can be oriental, not people.
I agree I hate the word oriental and I’m Asian.
Next try to react BTS cyphers 1-4
He already did it. You can check them out in his bts journey playlist 😉
"allowed"? What's wrong with the word Oriental now? I swear, every single weird or crazy thing comes from America 😂
Edit: From an outsider prospective: America is the place that loves Freedom but censors everyone's thoughts. There's hate for christians, hate towards white people, people there can identify as whatever they want, feminism became something where women should be better than men, men try so hard to be alpha, there's a decline in respect towards women, black people are defended by anything negative and treasured more than any other race because of the slavery past (literally people got called racist for making black actors be antagonists) there's a lot of asian hate, the food is full of sugar which makes a big part of the population obese, the police attacks civilians (especially black people), school shootings (the craziest of them all), extremely overpriced medicines and healthcare et cetera. This is what America looks like from the outside, this is what internet depicted America as. Now that i discovered that even a word like oriental is considered racist there, i worry for the life kids that live there. Is America really like this or it's just what the media made it look like?
I understand why Asian Americans/Europeans don't like the word as it was used as a way to exoticize and demonise Asians in the past. "The oriental devils", etc.
I think if you take any regular word and use it in a racist way long enough or harshly enough, it eventually will be treated as a slur (or close enough). I'm not sure that Oriental was widely used in such an overtly racist way but it was definitely used as a dogwhistle. Especially around older white folk referring to all Asians as "the orientals" + adding a snide racist comment about them. Often also refusing to ever make any distinction among them. Now I think they've just started calling all Asians "Chinese" instead even if you tell them that a person is Korean or Japanese etc.
Yea....... as an American, from what I understand. It's Because for a long time the term oriental wasn't just used for mostly products but for people as well and alot of Asian Americans found it offensive to be used and categorized with the same term used for objects. For the most part it wasn't a purposely used offensive term. But I have seen and heard people refer to Asian cuisine, product and music as Oriental with a air of displeasure or disgust before..... I know there was a lot that Asian Americans went through when it comes to the way their culture was viewed by either being fetishized or "othered". So it became sorta "racist" to use the term especially towards people 🤷🏾♀️ the funny thing is most Asian people I know or have met don't get offended by the word at all so I have no idea if they actually view it that way. I can only give you what I've seen and heard from others and since no group of people are monolithic I won't truly be able to give a full reason 🤷🏾♀️ but I hope that helps somewhat....
Ok, let's see ... so "Oriental" used to be a regular normal word to associate with Asia/Asians back in the 1970's in the US because it had been a normal word for decades before that, simply as a term coined perhaps majorly by white people in the US & maybe other western nations. However, the word is ancient Latin/French in origin to also describe the same geographic direction centuries before, i.e. Asia, Middle East, India, etc relative to the west side of Afroeurasia. So as you can see, "orient" did not originally necessarily describe just Asia & Asian people. Was there a xenophobic & racial wall that was in place before & during its usage? Sure. Maybe. Anyway, I have seen "oriental" a lot in magazines, books, conversations, even recipes (yes, recipe books), back in the 1970's & early 1980's. However, over the years, the word sort of started falling out, becoming outdated, because of the negative perceptions it may have inadvertently AND/OR advertently placed on Asians, even Asians born in the US. As others have replied here, the word was sometimes used disparagingly & sometimes the word had become so common that even Asians have become ok with it, especially the younger generations who were not aware of the word's historical negative connotation in some context. Is "oriental" still accurate? Sure, more or less, it just means "east, towards a rising sun". It has even etymologically become a word to describe physical direction. Is also calling Asians "Oriental" a misnomer? Not really, it still has some truth to it. Compare this, for example, to the words "America/American" to describe, allude to, or directly define the US & its citizens & that would be an actual misnomer. When someone says "I love America", they most likely are actually saying "I love the US" in that context, not "I love the American continent" which would be the proper semantical meaning. The word "America" became so tied with the US that even internationally it became unawaringly common & it also enraged people in the US to people in other parts of America, like maybe Brazil, who correctly complained that the US should not have the sole usage of the term. So, if we are going to continue to use "orient/oriental", then it would only be fair to use "occident/occidental" more & more to signify the "west" to the point of normality. You know, that word that sounds like "accident/accidental". For decades & also currently, people who have used the word "occident" were those who were/are mainly in higher academic circles, not the general public. That was the unfairness of the word back then, where "Orient" was used a lot to describe Asians, yet rarely anyone in the common public used "Occident" to denote & represent not just the US but also other western countries, or even maybe even white people in general.A reason for this was that geolocational relativity was a big factor in it, meaning Orient was used to signify the "East" mostly by the US & western countries, but the US did not really call themselves "Occident". Instead, the common usage was just "the west", which is what we still use today, by the entire globe. Can BTS use the word "oriental" & "occidental" in their lyrics? Yes, absolutely, just as DKDKTV has used "oriental" here simply because he may not be aware of its usage in the US, which again its meaning was not always in the positive light. It's all about contextual usage & how BTS may apply it. I could continue, but I don't to make this reply any longer, heh. But there have been many discussions & essays on this over the years, so Google is your friend.
In short, yes. The US is really like this. There’s a lot of hate in the US, people need to learn to love each other.
Creo que a este señor no le gusta BTS,el está como el que una vez les dijo (a BTS) que por que no hacían un disco en inglés.Como diciendo si me gustan pero si cantaran y se comportaran como estadounidenses si sería su fan Y creo que BTS no necesita personas así .Esta es mi opinión 😊💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Missed the base by a mile.