The Zelda Lore Nobody Talks About

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  • @redundantfridge9764
    @redundantfridge9764 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +543

    It looks like The Theorizer became so insane that he got bored and circled back to becoming sane again.

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +181

      lol yes

    • @witherworld8969
      @witherworld8969 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Mort

    • @welcometoweird6353
      @welcometoweird6353 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      @@witherworld8969 I love how Google wanted to translate it

    • @anabominationagainstman3597
      @anabominationagainstman3597 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Ah yes, the Theorizer is Professor Paradox

    • @Planet.Xplor3r
      @Planet.Xplor3r 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@welcometoweird6353 Mort itself is beyond this dimension

  • @Kazuyuki33
    @Kazuyuki33 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +519

    It took me 25 seconds to notice that it was the Theorizer

    • @karencarter18042
      @karencarter18042 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      the voice sounds different to you too?

    • @Dock284
      @Dock284 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Same

    • @adrianneweaver457
      @adrianneweaver457 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Omg it is lol

    • @Alexandervs.Thegovernment
      @Alexandervs.Thegovernment 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Yeah his new mic makes him sound so different

    • @karencarter18042
      @karencarter18042 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Alexandervs.Thegovernment I do not like the new mic .😭😭😭😭Bring back his old voice sound.

  • @Coveted.
    @Coveted. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    spirit tracks was so goated and having zelda as a companion throughout the entire game is an experience not only no other zelda pulled off but it just makes you feel a type of way i can’t really describe. it’s like having her throughout the journey pushing you forward and finally saving her and having her thank you just hit different than having visions of her or whatever splashed through, and only really seeing her at the end

    • @Bandikit
      @Bandikit 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Funny how a Zelda who is literally dead ended up being the most alive and personality filled Zelda we've seen yet

  • @christopherjobin-official7440
    @christopherjobin-official7440 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +186

    I love the DS Zelda games a whole lot, but you're on a whole nother level. Very good to see a Theory on them. Spirit Tracks is definitely my favorite out of the 2.

    • @AddisonSmith-f7y
      @AddisonSmith-f7y 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I can’t wait to watch the video About Mr. beans

    • @HunterAnsorge-ok9jk
      @HunterAnsorge-ok9jk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I can’t pick a favorite. I got spirit tracks first and got stuck in the desert temple but I actually beat phantom hourglass.
      Both games are simply goated in the sauce that’s all I know.

    • @theWanderersnotebook
      @theWanderersnotebook 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They need to port Spirit Tracks to the Switch, I absolutely loved that game when I was younger her and it’s what got me hooked on becoming a Zelda fan.

  • @EnigmaticGentleman
    @EnigmaticGentleman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    5:25 this was actually pseudo confirmed in Breath of The Wild, in the original Japanese version Impa says there are many different calamities affecting many different kingdoms.

  • @MyNameIsMashmallow
    @MyNameIsMashmallow 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +188

    This feels like a return to the channels roots.

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      I crave this format

    • @welcometoweird6353
      @welcometoweird6353 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@TheTheorizer but you can never go back, like a twisted box of nightmares. NO Escape.

    • @Phantom-hopper
      @Phantom-hopper 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@TheTheorizeryour not the theorizer your a theorizer the theorizer became so insane that the universe had to bend it's rule to make a sane theorizer to bring balance but you won't last there have been hundreds of sane theorizer and non of them survive muhahahahaha because the real one will always find you

    • @punawelewele
      @punawelewele 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Around 2 years ago I commented that I thought the original theorizer had been supressed and replaced with a "clone". The theorizer replied to my comment asking why I felt that way and I didn't respond because I didn't want to give any tips to help the replacement mimic his predecessor.

    • @MyNameIsMashmallow
      @MyNameIsMashmallow 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@punawelewele "the theorizer isn't home right now"

  • @metalbeersolid
    @metalbeersolid 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    spirit tracks was the first zelda game that i beat to completion. it was when i was 12 during a boring and uneventful summer break when my parents were at work, the switch had just released a few months prior and i bought an r4 card on amazon, i put a few roms of ds games that i didn’t own physical copies of. the game is great and i have very fond memories of it.

  • @jubilantdemon5402
    @jubilantdemon5402 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    Please make more videos like this. I adore this!

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      I have 2 others planned: The truth about the ocean king, and the “inbreeding paradox” of new hyrule lol

    • @jubilantdemon5402
      @jubilantdemon5402 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @TheTheorizer As someone who has done their best to stick around, and as someone who spent a good chunk of their early life on the DS series of... devices? Handheld Consoles? This was very well made.
      My theory brain is at least churning. I always thought New Hyrule was an interesting location. I *think* you need like a healthy population of non-related people of at least 40 to prevent inbreeding side effects, but its been a while since I tried to wonder if the Luminoth from Metroid Prime 2 would suffer that fate

  • @SuperXmanG64
    @SuperXmanG64 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    Bro it's crazy how ur voice has changed over the years.

    • @HostWithTheMost
      @HostWithTheMost 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      What so many years of Mort Theory does to a Theorizer

    • @Dinoshadow6
      @Dinoshadow6 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      His vocal chords must be absolutely SHREDDED after morttheory

    • @peanutgallery4
      @peanutgallery4 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@Dinoshadow6months of non-stop screaming. None of us would have handled it as well

  • @hiddendesire3076
    @hiddendesire3076 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    5:27 I believe Malladus was a separate Demon King, possibly one who tried to seize power while Ganondorf was stuck in his mortal form (before being stuck in stone). Similarly we see Bellum, another Demon who tried to seize power. Granted Bellum had hijacked the Ocean King’s realm to be his hunting grounds, with the Phantom Ship as his method.

    • @infinityheart_tm9270
      @infinityheart_tm9270 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And the Ocean King’s realm is highly implied to be a flooded Termina, what with the way you get there and how it functions..

    • @hiddendesire3076
      @hiddendesire3076 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Highly implied? Okay, you’re going to need to convince me on that one. One has you fall through the portal into the realm. The other either by being aside a cursed ship as it displaces reality around it and warps back into the realm. Or alternatively, I’d hypothesis that once the Ocean King is returned to power, being granted passage by him as he traverses various realms and their waters.

    • @infinityheart_tm9270
      @infinityheart_tm9270 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Whenever you return from one of those realms, you just wake up right where you were beforehand, time passes much faster in Termina/Realm of the Ocean King and it’s not a dream despite it coming off as one. This is because of Link possessing the Mirror Shield or the Phantom Hourglass after returning from Termina/Realm of the Ocean King. The King of Red Lions ship is present in PH implying the same mentality that there are Terminia counterparts for Link and the King. Not to mention the last thing Link remembers before entering either realm is falling.

  • @hyliasknight
    @hyliasknight 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Loved every second, big zelda fan, and I even learned something new about the actual *gameplay* of spirit tracks (I never managed to complete the dark ore mission lmao)

  • @trixxart777
    @trixxart777 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    This kinda feels like an old theorizer video

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

      Because it’s a video game, I edited it properly, and it’s answering normal questions lol

    • @Zombo84
      @Zombo84 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Only is voice is deeper and darker

    • @witherworld8969
      @witherworld8969 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@TheTheorizermort

  • @garyfink17
    @garyfink17 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    This man could make theories about cucumber salad and i would still watch

  • @JakoboMC
    @JakoboMC 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    finally someone that doesn't forget about the awesome ds games! Awesome Video! Thank you for bringing attention to these games, I feel like they aren't talked about enough.

  • @Cretaceous158
    @Cretaceous158 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Malladus is also named after a type of train called a Mallard.

  • @scottydk007
    @scottydk007 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Good to see your branching out!!!

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Branching back, I used to do this all the time

    • @spaghettiwithachickenpatty7877
      @spaghettiwithachickenpatty7877 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There’s a train track pun here but I don’t want to say it

  • @XDWASDX
    @XDWASDX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Anjean while resembling “engine” is more likely derived from the Japanese word “Anjin” meaning pilot.

    • @JonathanNormandy
      @JonathanNormandy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      But that doesn't fit the naming convention at all. Why have all of their names, except one, be puns on train stuff, and have that outlier instead be a pun on a Japanese word that is vaguely connect to trains? The driver of a train isn't even called a pilot, it's called a conductor. I feel like it's simply a coincidence.

    • @CassiusStelar
      @CassiusStelar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@JonathanNormandyactually the train conductor runs maintenance and interfaces with passengers, the driver of a train is called a captain just like a ship

    • @JonathanNormandy
      @JonathanNormandy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@CassiusStelar OH okay, thank you for correcting me. I hate spreading misinformation 😔.

    • @CassiusStelar
      @CassiusStelar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@JonathanNormandy Link in this game works as an Engineer, Conductor, and captain all in one though :0

    • @ShatteredQvartz
      @ShatteredQvartz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Can be both

  • @clownymoosebean
    @clownymoosebean 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I appreciate the use of PMD Explorers music.

  • @Cretaceous158
    @Cretaceous158 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Also, multiple crowns named after Ruto, the Zora sage of water are found in New Hyrule, which means the Hyrulian Zora did not all turn into Rito, but some tried to colonize New Hyrule and seemingly fail.

    • @arcanine_enjoyer
      @arcanine_enjoyer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      We know that they like to migrate, which is proven in Tears of the Kingdom (Sidon's wife) and it may just be that they left New Hyrule to migrate again

    • @santiagojpr4779
      @santiagojpr4779 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In fact,there are Zoras in both PH and ST DS games,the zora Warriors.

    • @Cretaceous158
      @Cretaceous158 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@santiagojpr4779 I played Spirit Tracks recently and didn’t notice any Zoras.

    • @Cretaceous158
      @Cretaceous158 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@santiagojpr4779 Apparently, the Geozards are the Zora warriors.

    • @unknownuser494
      @unknownuser494 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Cretaceous158 geozard are basically jacked version of alttp zoras.

  • @hiddendesire3076
    @hiddendesire3076 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    14:46 Still wild that he is alive over a hundred years later.

  • @tristetheelf
    @tristetheelf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yesssss! I never thought we'd get a Zelda theory from The Theorizer! Looking forward to more!

  • @skersein
    @skersein 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    spirit tracks was my first zelda game

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Phantom Hourglass was the first video game, period, that I EVER played

    • @witherworld8969
      @witherworld8969 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      mort

    • @SnapTheCat.
      @SnapTheCat. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@TheTheorizer Phantom Hourglass was my first game too

    • @daniel8181
      @daniel8181 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You started off with an underrated gem.
      Meanwhile, I started with the most overrated zelda/video game in history.

    • @LibraritheWizardOfficial
      @LibraritheWizardOfficial 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You're all making me feel so old. My first Zelda game was _The_ Legend of Zelda. 1987. 👴

  • @RandomEntry13013
    @RandomEntry13013 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Throwing this in my big fat zelda playlist. 🤌

  • @Random-oy7vk
    @Random-oy7vk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I got super excited when he was telling Linebeck's story-

  • @Guarrow
    @Guarrow 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    There are so many games that could fit between 2 others
    I do consider the theory about Link's marrying Malon after Majora's Mask absolutely canon. There's no way it's not.
    I'm on the verge on finishing all Zelda games (I'm doing Zelda 2, then I'll have to do both Oracle and I'll be done), please keep on making Zelda stuff, I eat this raw

    • @Wendy_O._Koopa
      @Wendy_O._Koopa 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, when I first saw the title, I was all... is he implying that there's only _one_ missing Zelda game? Either the first, or among the first missing ones was revealed in Wind Waker. We know _why_ it's missing, and that's because there was no Link. Nintendo doesn't want to "waste" resources on a game where you possibly play as Daphnes, only for the game to end with you freezing everything in place. Then like you said, the one where Link marries Malon and eventually becomes the Hero's Shade (spoiler warning), though he needn't die by game's end. The final, post-credits scene could be him donning the iconic armor (intact) and waving goodbye to a visibly pregnant Malon, and then we can just imply the rest.
      Then, just because the rule of threes is a thing, and also so we have an example from each timeline, how about a sequel to ALBW which also acts as a prequel to Zelda II? It could be another out-of-the-box genre changer for the series, because in this one, Link is charged with hiding the Triforce of Courage. He has to battle all these temples as usual, but then he has to train his own guards, like Horsehead and Rebonack to guard those shrine things, and (spoiler warning) he becomes the old man at the end of Zelda II. IDK, I'm just spitballing here, just because you could doesn't mean you should... not _everything_ needs to be explained.

  • @matthiasl8558
    @matthiasl8558 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was great! I'd definitely be down for the Phantom Hourglass side of it, too

  • @quaintgentleman344
    @quaintgentleman344 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Theorizer really be filling in the gaps here! I would dispute the idea that only Tetra's crew settled the land, though. I think they found the land, returned to the 'windwaker archeplego', and recruited/solicited the peoples there to come with them. (Seems like a pretty good deal to me if I lived on windfall island)
    Also, yeahy, Chancellor Cole totally had Tetra or her daughter killed off screen. The zelda in spirit tracks we see is way too young for her mother to not be around unless she died prematurely.
    I wish I could go on, but its really hard to just talk through youtube.

    • @rangedweevil6150
      @rangedweevil6150 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it's a pretty solid bet to say that Tetra is this Zelda's grandmother, based on a conversation that Anjean has with her about how she entrusted the flute to Tetra under the condition that her kingdom protects the land, to which Zelda responds by reminiscing about how *her grandmother* used to play the flute for her and how she had no idea it was that important. The way this is phrased leaves it a bit open to interpretation, but I think there are 2 potential takeaways: 1, that Tetra is this Zelda's grandmother, and 2, that Zelda's mother died while she was young, and she was raised by Grandma Tetra before her untimely death.
      Logistically, this is entirely possible. Niko is still alive during the events of Spirit Tracks, and though he was young when he was serving as a member of Tetra's crew, it really could have only been by a few years. Tetra could have believably survived even up to the time that the story takes place, but she is absent. Also, one would think that Tetra would have passed down the flute to her daughter, the acting Princess of New Hyrule, upon her ascension to the throne, but again, this isn't the case, Zelda recalls her grandmother playing the flute for her (which, at the risk of reading to deep into it, one would imagine a mother would do for her young daughter, which may imply that Zelda's mother was out of the picture at this point).
      All this to say, I think that Zelda's mother died first, possibly assassinated, and Tetra stepped up to raise Zelda and run the kingdom, before she, too, was killed, leaving Zelda by herself. And of course, being a child and prepared for the responsibility of running a kingdom, they would need some one to act as an advisor and chancellor to help Zelda rule until she was old enough, so in comes Cole.
      I'm not sure whether Cole would have already been a figure at the castle that was chosen to be promoted to Chancellor, or if he just showed up one day and offered to take the position, but whatever the case, it all lines up that he would have been the one to kill Zelda's mother and grandmother to create a power vacuum that he could fill and use Zelda as a figurehead while he continues his plot in the background

  • @ThyWhom
    @ThyWhom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    the editing effects & tone as soon as the theory is explained is so “i did a thing”

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wdym

    • @runed0s86
      @runed0s86 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TheTheorizerThe barefoot aussie Blacksmith that makes giant Beyblades and things that definitely aren't guns. He has like 3 million subscribers. And the dude is right!
      But... It works ;) Good job!

  • @TylerTheNintendoMaster
    @TylerTheNintendoMaster 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    In windwaker the islands you explore are actually the top of Hyrule's mountains but at the end of the game the king wishes for all of Hyrule to flood finishing the job wouldn't that in turn sink the islands that are rooted to Hyrule? I could be overthinking tbh

    • @Mr_Fragezeichen
      @Mr_Fragezeichen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The islands should be unchanged, at least Link's home island is unchanged, which can be seen in the credits.

    • @tumultuousv
      @tumultuousv 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He flooded Hyrule that was underwater but protected. If he flooded the islands he would've caused mass genocide for every race.

    • @ceo_of_funny9280
      @ceo_of_funny9280 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Pretty sure the sea level wouldn't change leaving the Islands alone. Hyrule was more like a air pocket that was filled.

    • @HunterAnsorge-ok9jk
      @HunterAnsorge-ok9jk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Global warming is a bitch innit?

  • @theguywhodraws8535
    @theguywhodraws8535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm so glad that someone finally made a theory about the 2 games

  • @Locked_from_paradise
    @Locked_from_paradise 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your videos bright up my day, man! I'm super excited!!!

  • @MastGamr22
    @MastGamr22 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This... this is a masterpiece.
    Haven played this game, I knew some of the stuff you said in the first half of the vid, but it was the second half that you went deeper. I'm amazed just how much thought you put in this, and how there is so much that happened in that 100 year gap.
    I'm with ya on the game thing. I would also LOVE to play this out in a game, seeing everything all come full circle in this Sequel and Prequel. As someone who played Spirit Tracks, and being one of my favorite Zelda titles of all time, thanks you for making this!

  • @CloudyDaze
    @CloudyDaze 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Spoilers for the Phantom Hourglass but it needs to be stated the Ocean God and the whole realm of Phantom Hourglass pulls a Links Awakening, so it's a bit far fetched to believe that replica of the ocean temple was made by the ocean god when said ocean god technically does not exist on this side of the boundary.

    • @LuckyNumber39
      @LuckyNumber39 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Though at the beginning of Phantom Hourglass, Gonzo says the waters they're entering are protected by the Ocean King (or something like that) which means he's not just some dream and maybe like the Wind Fish actually exists in their world

  • @urdarkruler2223
    @urdarkruler2223 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    love seeing some content for spirit tracks and phantom hourglass. Definitely overlooked games by some. thanks for the video

  • @stormaggeden
    @stormaggeden 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I have never played those games. I didnt know they were any good. This lore is wild. Especially in context to the rest of the series.
    How does it all connect?

    • @Tilda_the_mage
      @Tilda_the_mage 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Connection wise, ‘New Hyrule’ is another continent across the ocean from Hyrule. They did use to have trade with Hyrule at one point (one of the treasure items in Spirit tracks is an Amulet coin which bares the Triforce on it), but that presumably ended when Hyrule flooded. Malladas was another Demon King like Demise, going after the spirits of good in ‘New Hyrule’ rather than Hylia. His body gets destroyed and spirit sealed beneath the land, with his right hand man Cole left to try and find a way to break him out (like what Ghirahim did). No safe place to put Malladas’s soul after release though, so he had to wait for a suitable vessel.
      Several thousand years pass, the old Kingdom of ‘New Hyrule’ eventually dissolves leaving some human locals and the Lokomo. Hyrule floods and the Hyrule Gorons move in to fire land after being exiled, more time passes, Tetra and co arrive in the new lands, start to settle, the Anouki from the isle of Frost get brought over to live in snow land, giving the Yook the island. Cole sees that Tetra has the potential for a perfect vessel for Malladas, but she’s too strong to try and overpower and stuff (maybe she and WW Link even beat him up). Tetra’s child has her mother’s protection so they’re a no go. ST Zelda though dosnt have her grandmother to protect, and her own parents either die somehow or are away, so perfect time for Cole to pose as the chancellor and work his way in to extract the vessel for his Lord.
      So yeah. It’s the end point of the adult timeline, in the other timelines Malladas is still sealed away, Cole cannot find a suitable vessel for him to inhabit. Put quotations about new Hyrule since we don’t actually know the name of the land, that’s just what it’s been nicknamed by the community.

    • @Mr_Fragezeichen
      @Mr_Fragezeichen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Tilda_the_mage Great theory. It's just that ST-Zelda is not the grandchild of Tetra but the great-great-grandchild of Tetra.
      Hyrule Historia page 133 in the english version.

    • @Tilda_the_mage
      @Tilda_the_mage 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Mr_Fragezeichen Fairly sure I remember her being the granddaughter. Theres only been around 100 years between PH and ST, you can find Niko in ST and his a very elderly man. Would say his like 110 ish. Think Anjean also refers to Tetra as Zelda’s grandmother. Would also be in line with Linebeck the third existing, with his grandfather being the original Linebeck. Guys like 25 and ST Zelda + Link are about 12-14.

    • @Mr_Fragezeichen
      @Mr_Fragezeichen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Tilda_the_mage There is a website called Archive, where you can view Hyrule Historia in full as a PDF. On the centre right of page 133 there is a short text about Princess Zelda and how exactly she is related to Tetra.

    • @LibraritheWizardOfficial
      @LibraritheWizardOfficial 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Tilda_the_mage 100 years is a long time. The average human generation is 25 years. If Tetra was a young adult like Link in WW, then she'd be a full fledged adult in little over a decade, so only 2 generations passing for ST Zelda to be her granddaughter would basically require both her and her daughter to give birth at around the age of 50-60.

  • @AmadeusUndead
    @AmadeusUndead 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s crazy how I always find these videos that I love like days after they come out, normally I’m years late to these types of videos, feels good to be new-ish to a vid

  • @Stonyonkeys
    @Stonyonkeys 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man I really have to get around to playing these games. Such class! Love the videos as always!!

  • @mweepbeep1128
    @mweepbeep1128 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for this Theorizer.

  • @Dudeman1226
    @Dudeman1226 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    A video out of nowhere is a noble thing to do

    • @real_nosferatu
      @real_nosferatu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He's been teasing this

  • @TheCayDawg
    @TheCayDawg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I LIKE THIS IDEA!!! Spirit Tracks is in my top 5 Zelda games and I think this idea would be a really good way to get that game actually into the public eye.

  • @CZsWorld
    @CZsWorld 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd personally be more interested in a game that fills in the gap between Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess. Getting to see how the Hero of Time became The Hero's Shade and the end of his story.
    It is peculiar though that a series with a focus on the TRIforce always comes in sets of 2.
    Legend of Zelda / adventure of Link
    Oracle of ages / Oracle of seasons
    A Link to the past / A Link between worlds
    Links Awakening / echoes of wisdom
    Ocarina of Time / Majora's mask
    The Wind Waker / Phantom hourglass
    Breath of the Wild / tears of the Kingdom

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’ve see your comments on all these game soundtracks, exquisite taste 🤌

  • @ellosteve
    @ellosteve 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    THANK YOU I MISS THESE GAMES SO MUCH

  • @Skywolfhd20
    @Skywolfhd20 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this was nice, i'd love to see more vids like this one

  • @RosealiaRook
    @RosealiaRook 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This feels like the ramblings of a mad oracle and you know what he could be right

  • @DBArtsCreators
    @DBArtsCreators 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'd like to see the bridging game be split between two games or game modes: a city-builder, told from Tetra's perspective, and a side-quest game told from Link's perspective (or hell, maybe flip it so Tetra is the adventurer & Link is the city-builder).

  • @fuzziegamer
    @fuzziegamer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can't wait for the next vid!

  • @Bandikit
    @Bandikit 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The usage of mystery dungeon music in the background is incredibly based. My compliments to the editor!

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am the editor lol

  • @llliwwille
    @llliwwille 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don’t think it was ONLY the pirates who came to the new Hyrule. I think they went back to the great sea and told people of the discovery. Then people came on their own will to live on the new continent.

  • @randomrambutan3755
    @randomrambutan3755 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favourite TH-camr covering my favourite game series, let’s GO

  • @HansAdiWijaya
    @HansAdiWijaya 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I thought it was the game theory so I search at the game theory channel after seeing the notification but it turns out to be the theorizer??? I didn't know you covers games too

  • @Mr_Fragezeichen
    @Mr_Fragezeichen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Great theory, always nice to see something on ST. As for the canyon between the snow area and the lava area, you can see on the old map from Ferrus that it's been there for a very long time. Also, I think the demon curse only affects one individual at a time, which is why I think Malladus was only affected by the curse after Bellum's death.

    • @keithtorgersen9664
      @keithtorgersen9664 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We don't know if the Ocean King's domain is actually in the physical world of Hyrule or if it is part of another dimension.

    • @Mr_Fragezeichen
      @Mr_Fragezeichen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@keithtorgersen9664 Right, we don't know, that's why I have a theory. I think that the realm of the Sea King is in a pocket dimension/space distortion, which is why time moves faster then it does in Hyrule. I think this time difference is also the reason why Bellum was able to gain so much power in the time between his downfall and that of Ganondorf.

  • @snapslingpeavine1371
    @snapslingpeavine1371 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Any therorizer video is a good video. Even if it’s about something different.

  • @matthewwriter9539
    @matthewwriter9539 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Using chains as train tracks is a horrible idea.

    • @Mr_Fragezeichen
      @Mr_Fragezeichen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This was probably intended, as the spirits created and utilised the first train.

  • @samiralawton7497
    @samiralawton7497 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I literally just finished phantom hourglass for the idk what time and i was thinking this same thing! I havent watched the video as of writing this but i was thinking there could be a plot about bellum being the evil in new hyrule which becomes malladus. The phantoms changing from creations of bellum to guardians of the tower has always been strange to me. Ive been creating my own theory but i think theres an interesting and probable story there.
    Also thank you for releasing content on these games. I have been starved

  • @knightesquire36
    @knightesquire36 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:41 That OST... I did NOT expect mystery dungeon, you sir have a fine taste.

    • @infinityheart_tm9270
      @infinityheart_tm9270 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You haven’t seen the older videos have you?

    • @knightesquire36
      @knightesquire36 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@infinityheart_tm9270 not really, no.

  • @nonoctoro4933
    @nonoctoro4933 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'd like to point out the "spirits" are translated from 神 "god". Plural is never specified in the original japanese but it could have been implied(it's really not). It's left ambiguous. Same thing happens in Twilight Princess when talking about what banished the Twili in the Shadow World. We westerners assumed it was the Goddesses but 女神"Goddess" is never used in that context only a generic 神"god possibly plural?".
    The 神 of Spirit Tracks is even depicted as one "wave" in the legends indicating it's more likely a single entity.
    What posseses the phantoms are "souls of monsters" 魔物の魂. So some kind of demonic ghosts.
    The Demons living and being summoned from in a Dark World has been established since Zelda 2 The Adventure of Link, we're told in the manual more of Ganon's minions are being summoned from the underworld. We are told more about the Dark Realm in Oracle games with the 2 main antagonists being summoned from it and Ganon's soul being trapped here before his resurrection. The sages in Ocarina of Time seal Ganon in "the evil realm" or "below the realm of the dead" and he resurfaces from a crack in the Earth in The Wind Waker's backstory, the same "crack in the Earth" we are told Demise and his troops emerged from. It's not a literal fissure in the Earth but more likely something we saw in the upcoming Echoes of Wisdom. Dimensional cracks. We might see more of the Dark Realm, that realm of void where demons are said to nest by Anjean and we fight the Demon Train in.
    Demons are just that, creatures of Darkness. They clashed against the 神 for the dominion of the land and lost. Malladus was stripped of his physical form and his soul trapped in the Tower locked by the energy provided by the Force Gems in each temples sourcing their power from the land connected by the sacred tracks like wires.
    The 神 used both personally the Train we use and the Light Bow. So trains could predate the Lokomo engine chairs since their master(s) used trains. Anjean told us that.
    Malladus' fight against the 神 took place long before Tetra and her crew arrived. Byrne is said to be over 100 years and is still considered a trainee meaning the other old Lokomos are multiple centuries old perhaps millennias and they've been keeping up with the tower seal ever since.
    Malladus has no direct relation to Ganon tho. He is another Demon King(not a "dai"maou-*great demon king*tho just "maou") that had his eyes on something and clashed with divine entity(ies). Cole is a demon supremacist that has been plotting for his resurection tho his age is unclear.
    The stations aren't created by the Force gems, they are reconnecting the tracks those gems create. They were likely meant to be prior the events of the game to reward the Hero for restoring peace. It's unclear if your existence was expected since there is no clear phrophecy but you could argue since the god/s could not destroy Malladus' soul they'd expected hip to eventually break free and needed someone to face him when he would. That someone being the Hero.
    The seas/world of the Ocean King are not too far from the land of the Lokomo. The temple replica could have been built long ago by Cobble settlers to continue worshiping their deity oversea when their Kingdom was in full power. We know the Anoukis came directly from those seas so it's not that farfetched to think these places had multiples instances of contact.

    • @Mr_Fragezeichen
      @Mr_Fragezeichen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I really like this theory, another thing in favour of it is that the book Hyrule Historia explicitly stated that the Tower of the Gods (literal translation from the German version) and the tracks were already there before the arrival of Tetra and Link.

    • @LinkageAX
      @LinkageAX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I dont think it's dimensional, Ganon was sealed deep underground in a physical sense in one timeline, so it's probably the same for this villain. Much like how the video explains.

  • @doc5470
    @doc5470 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    explorers music finally getting use in video essays, thanks Theo Riser

  • @righteousrayyan2078
    @righteousrayyan2078 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I too hope this missing game comes into existence. It would be nice to see what Malladus originally looked like when he had his own physical form

  • @nimics
    @nimics 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Phantom hourglass multiplayer = absolute cinema

  • @OS64legit
    @OS64legit 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've played these two games so underrated especially spirit tracks

  • @zachtwilightwindwaker596
    @zachtwilightwindwaker596 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lol chain tracks. Nice one.
    11:30 I thought only one of them died.
    14:46 So that's what Link's father looks like.

  • @terrorix2097
    @terrorix2097 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your mad genius and genius madness amaze us, mere mortals. Keep cooking, Mad King

  • @Nowheres_Channel
    @Nowheres_Channel หลายเดือนก่อน

    A Theorizer video that's Rail Vehicle Adjacent? Sign me up.

  • @snintendog
    @snintendog 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can actually see the Locomo coming into the picture AFTER Link cleansed the land as more of.. "oh yeah see that guy" points to giant F off demon "kinda our fault.. doing great work keep it up... by the way those magic lines all over the place can help us seal him away draw them out at each temple to prepare the seal just keep helping out and we cam make a big lock using the lines a chains. Should last forever ( 100 years) great plan right and you can rule this land after too.

  • @daniel8181
    @daniel8181 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love TotK, but its insane they didnt take the opportunity to go back to WW's timeline and have you discover the new land.

  • @LuckyNumber39
    @LuckyNumber39 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I never really believed the war against Malladus took place between Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. That would imply Link couldn't kill Malladus despite having done so to Bellum and defeated Ganondorf, who is only actually killed when Link has an overpowered item, he had a botched resurrection or he just wasn't killed by Link. Malladus is easily the weakest main villain of the games besides maybe Nightmare, neither of which require a special weapon to defeat (yes, you had the Lokomo Sword, but all it really is is your regular blade with a permanent Tears of Light boost, which doesn't even do that much to Phantoms so who cares), and the only other villain besides Ganon who had to be sealed was Vaati in Four Swords, but given what we know of the Four Sword from Four Swords Adventures, it was likely not strong enough to kill him at that point, and they didn't have the Master Sword, so all they could do was re-seal him. You might think three great evils would be a bit too much for these heroes, but the Oracle games would beg to differ, even of you consider that Link separate from the one from A Link to the Past, having him kill Onox, Veran and Ganon, which would about equal sealing Ganondorf and killing Bellum and Malladus, which leads me to believe the war happened long before Tetra and crew even got there, which is backed up by Anjean implying at the end of the game that the Lokomos were only in New Hyrule to guard the seal over Malladus, which would clash with her meeting Tetra when the pirate first arrived at that land.

  • @TheHaddonfieldRegistry
    @TheHaddonfieldRegistry 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was a 10/10 vid

  • @fatalwaffle1715
    @fatalwaffle1715 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting Video.

  • @darkwolf24498
    @darkwolf24498 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So cool

  • @slateoffate9812
    @slateoffate9812 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A reconstruction of an unseen adventure? This seems interesting. I hope you'll do this for other eras like the Calamity 10,000 years ago.
    Most I can figure is that the Ancient Hero was likely a Mogma and the Eighth Heroine, and the Divine Beasts were likely named after the Sages from TotK's past. Maybe the four Champions are either Incarnations of the BotW champions, or incarnations the Divine Beasts and Sages' names are derived from? If the latter, I think the Ruto described in the history carvings in the Zora region in BotW was the original pilot of Vah Ruta, not the Ruto from Ocarina of Time.

  • @IsaacRosales-g2z
    @IsaacRosales-g2z 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Better than gamer theory

  • @7sonicmario
    @7sonicmario 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I need more nintendo based video games theories from the craziest theorist on youtube.

  • @SchultzDorinda
    @SchultzDorinda 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nintendo should release that game along with remastered versions of Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks.
    Can you imagine a pack of all 4 games?
    -Wind Waker
    -Phantom Hourglass
    -_the in-between game_
    -Spirit Tracks
    Now that would be amazing

  • @shardinhand1243
    @shardinhand1243 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    its so nice to see you back man! how you doin bro

  • @darkisatari
    @darkisatari 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would also love to see more Zelda games with plot connective elements between games!

  • @ZorusSerif
    @ZorusSerif 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you could also do this to what happened between past & between wotlds or finally make the 3rd game linked to ages & seasons or a game showing the events of what happened to the hero of time before he became a stalfos in his adult years

  • @Trianull
    @Trianull 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It honestly would be cool to play through a scenario where you *place* the treasures in those stations.

  • @qwirkt
    @qwirkt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This would be good timing for a WW sequel, nostalgia for it should begin to peak soon

  • @DragonHerder2030
    @DragonHerder2030 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this fella

  • @kage1061
    @kage1061 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I find it awfully poetic that the core of Malladus is a gigantic rupee because it's the same thing that assisted Bellum in corrupting and eventually possessing Linebeck in Phantom Hourglass!

  • @Mr._Galaxywide
    @Mr._Galaxywide 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    8:36, *looks at Skyward Sword and Majora's Mask* HMMMMMMMMMM
    Edit: I wish they would make a game between MM and TP so I can lear how something managed to kill the Hero of Time.

    • @infinityheart_tm9270
      @infinityheart_tm9270 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hello yes there’s something like that around here. May I tell you about the existence of MajorLink’s “A Hero’s Purpose” which sets out to show exactly what you described, albeit not in a game format.

  • @Biggiecheese20
    @Biggiecheese20 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Zelda theory? Don't mind if I do

  • @arcanine_enjoyer
    @arcanine_enjoyer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another interesting detail is that Malladus might be named after LNER Class A4 4468 Mallard. It even looks like him.

  • @mrhalfsaid1389
    @mrhalfsaid1389 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love if you did more video game stuff

  • @WideMouth
    @WideMouth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly, there’s a ton of places in between Zelda games that would be interesting for a future game. A game between Majora’s Mask and Twilight Princess would be amazing

  • @KingsBard
    @KingsBard 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    *The Wheelchair People*
    I mean... yeah, I guess that is what they are.

    • @TheTheorizer
      @TheTheorizer  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No I mean that’s how the pirates “saw them” and chose to make mobile steam units (trains) inspired BY the wheelchair devices

  • @rubysapsycho7773
    @rubysapsycho7773 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    oh he's got the spirit of a true zelda theorist: insane.

  • @ml-fishing1341
    @ml-fishing1341 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved the DS zelda games so much as a kid. Beat phantom hourglass like 20 times but tracks only once

  • @hi-ougidemonfang
    @hi-ougidemonfang 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:30 feels like a Dee Ess island call back but I don’t know what that would mean from an ingame lore perspective as I think the ocean kings realm was another dimension or something. Maybe it wasn’t. I don’t know.

  • @alter6243
    @alter6243 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Games like these are why I wish Nintendo never focused on a single console. The hardware limitations combined with the unique features on the DS allowed for so many unique games from our favorite IPs. I always loved the specific mechanics to these games even if they weren’t perfect. That isn’t even mentioning the extremely underrated side quests. The gem upgrades in Phantom Hourglass were fun to do and the buffs felt rewarding.

  • @Deadlad
    @Deadlad 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Once I seen it was the Thoerizer the video was already playing.

  • @ironencepersonal9634
    @ironencepersonal9634 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am just now realizing that Wind Waker has the hero destroying Hyrule, while Ganondorf was the one trying to save it wtf

  • @kalebdunaway6425
    @kalebdunaway6425 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved this

  • @maggythemagpie544
    @maggythemagpie544 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yahoo! The crazy’s back🎉

  • @saffronnie3969
    @saffronnie3969 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why did I watch this on my birthday? Now I want this! The toon games (PH, ST, and then WW) were my first Zelda games. I named my cat Link! He died last year... I still can't move on from it or even remember he is dead some of the time. I now have an odd relationship with TLOZ. Literally, if I have not played in a while I just cry. I think... A remake of PH/ST or a game that is inbetween them (Like this suggests) ... That would make me love Zelda again! I'm sure of it! PH is my fave and first TLOZ game! And I want a WW styled remake! This will never happen XD I know it wont.. So it's something I have tried teaching myself wont happen.. But if it ever happened....!!! Also Link's (The cats) B day was 10 days before my own.. That's what I mean by why did I watch it on my b day? My b day is no longer special, and I honestly don't like every "happy birthday" message I get cos I wish I could just......... Delete my birthday. TLOZ means so much to me, and that cat meant and still does mean so much to me. This is a series I hold SO dear to my heart. A game where WW/PH Link defeats Malludus.... Yeah I wouldn't be okay (In a good way) I'd lose it! I would scream for joy SO loud, that like, I'd get complaints from every neighbour XD Nintendo needs to do this!

  • @lukelcs8934
    @lukelcs8934 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes I want more

  • @mid_nyght
    @mid_nyght 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If Nintendo did a remake of these titles or a new game in the WindWaker engine and style I'd love then even more. If they won't then Ima just make a similar project. Either way we'll be getting that.

  • @ZeRafalYT
    @ZeRafalYT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cool

  • @12isthemostimportantnumber
    @12isthemostimportantnumber 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So Videogame and relatively real world theories, we get mostly sane Theorizer.
    Anything film related, especially dreamworks and Pixar, We get the fluctuating and pretty much massively insane theorizer.
    Seems accurate.

  • @boputime4130
    @boputime4130 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FINALLY LORE ON THE MOST SLEPT ON ZELDA GAMES