Sadly we all thought that it couldn't get worse than George Lucas losing his mind and making parts 1-3. Then we saw parts 7-9, and much to our horror, knew that it could, and did, get SO much worse than parts 1-3.....
@@ShawnJonesHellion Yes, after he made parts 1-3 he didn't want to make anymore himself. Lucasfilm was his company and so he had the right to sell it to whoever he wanted. I just wish he had sold it to any other movie studio than Disney.
"Like I have any chance of forming an independant basis of right and wrong outside the instructions of some supervisory being, no Lord, I am your bitch." Literally could not say this better myself.
@@maerosss not really, if anything religion disproves milgram, because people are obedient to a distant entity / one that they can't interact with at all
Reporter: "How do you explain the message?" Priest: "Well, it's probably just some random mutation in the watermelon's genetics... OH NO WAIT. NOT THAT!"
@@tom-qj6uw To be precise, random mutations are the basis of evolution, but it also requires selective pressure--that which sorts out the survivors from the others.
So funny but it actually hit home for me. The sacrifice of Isaac story was the first thing I heard that started me questioning god and his worthiness to be worshipped. I was around 11 years old. I’m now an agnostic atheist.
@@DennisMoore664 Oh, what a giveaway! Did'j'hear that, did'j'hear that, eh? That's what I'm all about! Did you see 'im repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?!
@@cranknlesdesires I'll move on when people stop implying that small protestant factions that deny science represent all Christians. Are you aware he also invented Hubbles Law before Hubble?
I never quite understood why so many of the people who apparently believe, deeply and genuinely, that they will go to heaven and death is not to be feared... well, why so many of them seem so *angry* about things. I'd be so happy, all the time, if death and mortality and dead friends and parents were things I was certain I didn't need to worry about.
As we all know, atheists are renowned for how peaceful they are, never expressing anger on the internet or media against other believers. Never advocating for violence or violating other people's rights. Nope no way.
I went to a religious school through 8th grade. The first time I heard this bible story was when I started questioning my religion. I thought it was horrifying.
I enjoyed the clip. But here's some historical context. Human sacrifice was not a "new idea" but a rampant custom of the Sumerians that Abraham was running away from. His idea that he had to do the same to his son was a remaining vestige of his former culture that God was trying to finally rid him of. Hence God dramatically stopping the sacrifice and saying "never again" and "don't worship me in the same bloody and sacrificial fashion that the Sumerians worship their gods", was the true meaning of the story. I am not alone in saying this. There are some Jewish scholars who subscribe to this alternative view. Thus the big three religions are not based on human sacrifice, but just the opposite, on putting an end to human sacrifice. Breaking ties with Mesopotamian idolatry of the past. Big difference. Keep questioning! Happy travels.
@@farrukhalavi5460 It was also a clear example of what's to come. Abraham tells Isaac "God will provide the lamb" and yet what they find in the bushes is a ram, not a lamb. Jesus the Christ was the Sacrificial Lamb God would and did provide, sacrificing His Son. It helps to emphasize Father's love for us, to ponder the binding of Isaac and compare it to thr crucifixion.
@@farrukhalavi5460 thing is, there have indeed been times and places where human sacrifice creeps into abrahamic traditions. in the "time of abraham" it would have indeed been fairly common. other members of the pantheon that generated yahveh (the god of abraham) did indeed have such sacrifices in their traditions. fairly sure even yahveh's followers also did such things. however, by the "time of king david," the yahvist priesthood had dominated the kingdom of israel, and had already started to erase the existence of the rest of the pantheon. they didnt wipe it out though. worship of the goddess that was yahveh's wife persisted until the "time of jesus."
Way to go! Please continue - even though, I know we can't share maps and charts and timelines and facts and figures easily on TH-cam and we're all pretty much strangers here...
@@superchroma what would you do that for? Who needs tele nowadays with the internet, BBC content is mostly shit (not worth 140 quid) and you can watch everything else an hour later or the next day
It's certainly a good idea to question all your beliefs- religious, political, otherwise. The Christian approach to Abraham and Isaac is normally that God had promised Abraham a son by Sarah, even though both were past childbearing age, and that through that son Abraham would be "father to a nation". Abraham reasoned that, even if he killed Isaac, God could raise him back to life, and would do so, as God had kept all His promises up to that point. Hence God tested Abraham's faith. Obviously, I understand the concerns about religion, and the unquestioning idiocy of the characters in this video is amusing here and troubling in real life. And I apologise for Robin's attitude.
When you are a kid & grown ups tell you these stories are true, you believe them. I wish I hadn't grown up, it was nice to believe. But looking back, I wish I hadn't been told the bullshit in the first place.
I too feel that it be much easier and less a painful existence unfortunately once you realise Santa ain't real ain't no putting that toothpaste back in the tube
@@xMrAmity Santa wasn’t real, but Saint Nicholas was, and he spent his whole life giving as much as he could, performing miracles, and bitch slapping Areas.
No part of any biblical or scientific study contradicts the existence of a supernatural being. They only contradict aspects of different religious beliefs. for example a God who abandoned the universe at the moment of the big bang is not contradicted in any way. We have no reason to believe it, but no reason not to. We have no data on the universe before the big bang, so any claim is pure speculation.
No part of any biblical or scientific study contradicts the existence of Bigfoot. They only contradict aspects of different religious beliefs. for example a Bigfoot who abandoned the universe at the moment of the big bang is not contradicted in any way. We have no reason to believe it, but no reason not to. We have no data on the universe before the big bang, so any claim is pure speculation.
McSuperfly you repeat that as if what the person before you said was completely wrong. You saying that there is NOT a God holds the same amount of weight as someone saying there IS a God.
Faith is the belief in something despite having no evidence to support it, or in fact in spite of evidence to the contrary. So yeah, I guess you're right, it is basically the ability to suppress logical thought.
@@KnightGlint Evolution is a theory, but there is enough evidence to say it exists. Can we prove that chimps and humans evolved from the same genetic lineage, no, we don't have first hand proof, but the evidence we do have supports the theory (genetic sequencing and archeological records), and doesn't for example support other ideas such as Lamarckism or orthogenesis. So, Evolution is a theory, but its the best damn answer that ties together what we do know, till we get unequivocal proof. There is no belief in Science, hypothesis are created, and tested, and then test again a different way, and tested again by others, and then checked against new information. If it falls at any part it's not part of the scientific acceptance. Scientists may believe, but Science doesn't. Science is a process of rigorous understanding of the natural world. The theory of general relativity (e=mc2) is questioned but still stands, and we use its to predict things that we cannot know, but then test and do know. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190725150408.htm When you can use a 'theory' to predict what you will find, you can probably take it as fact. If you are learning that belief is strong in science, you either are being taught incorrectly, or completely misunderstand what science actually is.
The Bible is the infallible word of God, and every word of it is true. So if the insane bits are obviously wrong (they are), how is any of it valid? What's the point if you can pick and choose what mandatory divine orders you follow?
@@glennmartin6492 In matters of salvation the Bible is infallible, as historical works however, the various books in it relevant to those subjects are literary first, and factual second, though this is also partially just because that is how things were done at the time. Bible is best understood as it was meant to be understood, that is a body of literature which is to help in the teaching and apostleship of the masses, in conjunction with the liturgy, sacred tradition, and the deposit of faith.
@@joecostner1246 To be fair that’s what Joseph thought at first too, hence why he was going to low-key send her away, until a angel appeared to him and told him not to do that. You’re right in that virgins usually don’t give birth, not even a little, hence why it was a rather notable event.
Certainly gives a new perspective on religion. Can't wait until they tackle all the other thorny bits of the Bible. There are so many from which to choose.
@@andreassumerauer5028 Then you did a rather poor job of it, Abraham was very much not gung ho about the idea, but seeing as he only had Isaac in the first place because of the Lord, he viewed it as just as much God’s right to take his son away. I won’t deny that Mitchell and Web are funny, and the sketch is really funny, but it’s funny in the same way it would be funny if I made a sketch about Muslims praying constantly or being cartoonishly misogynistic. That is it’s based on some broad misunderstanding or stereotype, without any deeper understanding of the thing being mocked, which for a sketch show is perfectly OK, but is about as far from theology or understanding in this matter as one can be
@@allthenewsordeath5772 Or maybe he was just psychotic. I have to admit my tolerance for any atrocities justified by religious tradition is about zero. And yea, I'd say the glorification of attempted child murder is among those.
@@andreassumerauer5028 I mean you’re going to be really upset about what God had done to his own son then. On a more serious note you kind of missed the point of the thing, namely that God explicitly does not demand human sacrifice. Atheists often accuse us believers of cherry picking the Bible, and some certainly do, especially those who pretend like Christianity is all about feeling good, and being wishy-washy, and only following the things Jesus said that sound nice to our modern sensibilities, but atheists also have a pretty bad habit of cherry picking the Bible, using passages without any context, and just twisting it to suit their narrative, without taking into account Christian teaching, or the book from which the passage is taken as a whole. Also if you think a belief system leads to atrocities being committed, as virtually all belief systems inevitably due to lesser or greater degrees, because humans are kind of shitty, then it would make far more sense to want to understand sed belief system, and why some would use it to that ends, rather than refusing to engage with it out of a superstitious fear.
@vazhkatsi Nnnno, that's exactly what it means. Based on the "City of God" metaphor, Christians in antiquity began calling non-Christians, especially Hellenes, "pagani," or "rural"; "heathen" arose identically and contemporaneously from a Germanic root, so what one does or doesn't mean, so the other. The word has never in broad usage referred specifically to nature worship, and certainly not originally.
Yeah, an all-knowing God, who would know what Abraham was going to do even before Isaac's sacrifice was suggested, would OF COURSE "test" Abraham by ordering this nonsense.
@@JohnCephas- It's nonsense because God, with the powers claimed for Him, would already know the result of the test - as He should have with Adam and Eve - so there's no need for it. The story's a good example which shows that the Bible was written for Man by Man, and not by a supreme intelligence.
@@Malt454 There's no need for God Himself to be tested, but for the limited creatures which He created - don't you see value in the opportunity for them to grow and learn in their own limited knowledge and capacity?
@@JohnCephas- It's not God Himself who supposedly WAS being tested (duh) - but Abraham was already the man he was regardless, and God supposedly already knew that. The only thing that anyone should really "learn" from taking this story literally is that God is an asshole, despite supposedly having unlimited knowledge, wisdom and love. Then again, it was just a stupid story created by stupid people for even more stupid people.
@@Malt454 I suppose the point went over your head, that's a shame. Well, i invite you to dialogue about it but otherwise you know the saying... Don't cast pearls before..?
Ethics generally has more to do with the SOURCE of morality itself, not from which we ourselves find guidance to those morals. It's a nuance but an important one, one which leads to the questions of whether any morals can objectively exist.
@@Trevor_Hill It is interesting to think about. Does objectivity exist? I guess it does exist in the sense that we created a meaning to the word - but does 'true' objectivity exist? Ethics are defined by moral humans. You don't have to be moral to follow ethical rules, but how do you make ethics without morals? Does the cosmos somehow contains ethics by default, before man?
The scary thing is that most people only know this "sacrifice" which was just a test so they assuming that "God" is actually good. The story of Jeptah in the Bible is a bit different. He had to kill his daughter to win some battle. Later in the New Testament which considered to be more "moral" that guy is called a "hero" by Jesus himself...for sacrificing his daughter.
It probably came from ( earlier?) story of Idomenus, king of Crete, who sacificed his son after he returned from Troy, or some mesopotamian or Egyptian myth.
The funniest thing about this sketch is millions of Christian apologists actually justify Abraham almost murdering his son and say it's a wonderful thing that God did. Actually no, it's a horrific story that some people celebrate for some reason. It's quite sick really.
I'll tell you what's sick, a secular society saying abortion is okay because a woman has a "right" to be a slut and murder unborn children because she doesn't feel like taking responsibility for her actions.
@@bud389 Lol. We have a time traveller here - what’s it like back in the dark ages? The present day must be awfully confusing to you, with its rights for women and lack of mass slavery. Plus the iPhones and stuff.
@@bud389 Emmm, yeah. It's all the fault of those "slutty" women isn't it bud? Don't worry - you'll get a girl someday. Or die a hero while finally carrying out that incel rampage you're constantly living out in your head..
"Actually no, it's a horrific story that some people celebrate for some reason. It's quite sick really." You didn't get it, every religion that condemns human sacrifice has the same kind of story, why people shouldn't kill their infants for this one super amazing being and every story of this kind i heard so far, doesn't make any sense at all and are actually quite hilarious. And the sketch points that wonderfully out.
Killing a sheep or goat as a substitute for Abe's son became a tradtion in Jewish tradition and still is in Islam. In Doha, Qatar, there are signs on the highways saying "Do not slaughter sheep and goats outside of an abattoir". In Arabc and English, helpfully. and of course the myth of Jesus being crucified is a major one-time human sacrifice.
@IoEstasCedonta when were they under pagan rule? before christianity, most of the dominant religions were polytheist, or rarely monotheist, and almost none of them were pagan.
Not to step on anyone's toes, but God didn't stop the sacrifice, an angel did. God never said it was a test either. Nor did the angel. It was just sort of... Insinuated. I actually think an accurate version would be funnier as it suggests the angels thought God went a bit far and had an intervention. "Was it a test then?" - "Hm?" - "Was God, you know, testing our faith and all that?" - "Testing your... OH! Oh. Haha. Yes. Of course. Something like that. Probably." - "Probably?" - "Yes yes. Well you know God. He works in mysterious ways etc. etc. You never know with him. But yes, a test. Probably."
Genesis 22:12 “for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.” - Angel of the Lord speaking on God’s behalf. It’s stated explicitly that this was a test.
Yeah I really don't like any non-voluntary permanent procedures done on children that are not for valid medical reasons. If they come of age and decide without coercion they want it - fine. Nothing above is intended to project hate at any specific groups - I don't like that I was christened at the age of 1. Should of been my choice! (and it would have been NO).
Imagine having such poor hygiene that mutilating your schlong is a better alternative than finding some way to keep clean... that's the kind of geniuses who wrote the Bible, that many modern humans consider a fountain of wisdom. People who had no idea what smegma was, let alone how the universe came into being.
Also made for an awfully difficult religion to convert to. Fuck if I am going to cut my penis just to pray to this prude god. I am worshipping Baccus, getting drunk and having sex.
This perfectly makes fun of, how ridicules religion seems, to non religious people. Wish there was more of this on American TV. I have friends who say the craziest religious nonsense, and I wish, they could see how silly/dangerous it all is. Thanks BBC, for this good humored poke at them.
Depends on whether you subscribe to determinism or free will. Determinism would say, yes, absolutely pointless because Abraham was destined and planned not to kill his son. Hence why determinism mostly died out after the Renaissance. Free will would dictate that there was a chance he wouldn't, so God only intervened at the last moment when he was sure of what the result would be. Funny sketch though.
It's worse than that - If God is all-powerful, then he cannot be all-knowing, because when stuff goes wrong, he has to intervene with miracles to set the undesirable event right. If he was all-knowing, then he'd have already known the undesirable event would happen, and that he was going to have to fix it with a miracle, which means he has no choice about what happens or when he will intervene with miracles, and therefore couldn't be all-powerful.
@@K1lostream alternatively he is all powerful and he is all knowing. He's just extremely sadistic and enjoys punishing and destroying things which, to him, are basically mindless automatons. Of course this goes against what all the Abrahamic religions teach, so it seems they might have gotten something wrong.
As a thinking human, I don't know what to make of you, an "agnostic preacher". (Sorry, was too irresistible - unless you were making a joke and I didn't get it). ✌️
@@jackkraken3888 Many ministers of religion who start out as believers become agnostic or atheistic as they read more deeply into their religion. Some will not quit because their house and income come with the job, and perhaps their family, friends and too much of their self-identity too. So there are many agnostic and atheist preachers; I even know of a mutual support groups for Christian ones, with several hundreds (now thousands?) of members.
I'm a Muslim and the same stories are also mentioned in my tradition as an abrahamic faith, albeit with changes. I'm curious though, do Christians really believe in such an anthropomorphic understanding of The Creator? Where do they get this notion from? My tradition is clear regarding all sorts of iconography and anthropomorphism in that regards. How do Christians reconcile the idea of an infinitely Supreme and limitless Creator with anthropomorphism, which is inherently limiting?
There really isn't that much logic to the Christian faith tbh. They'd probably don't see anthropomorphism as limiting, and think God is all-knowing, all-powerful etc. and thus can overcome any problem you suggest, without any explanation of how he overcomes it.
We don’t believe in any more of an anthropomorphic God than you do. The Bible, specifically the Old Testament, speaks of God using anthropomorphic language but this is just analogy to help us to understand. It’s like when the psalm says that we rest beneath the wings of God, we don’t think that God is a chicken or anything of the sort. Much like Muslims, or my understanding of the Islamic faith at least, we hold God to be pure being itself, a unity, purely simple, all powerful, all knowing, all good, eternal, etc etc. I don’t believe either the people who made this believe in the Christian faith, so I wouldn’t take this sketch as representative of it.
Alternatively, knowing that all religion is made up bollocks solves all of the issues Hence why all religions attempt to indoctrinate children from birth and brainwash them before they're old enough to reason things for themselves This is the definition of child abuse, and should be outlawed
@@JohnCephas Maybe the idea was that Abraham failed the test because that was not his place, but it was God's place? Idk. I like to learn about the theory of it but I am not an expert, haha
@@Noah-wx7fm Well, it certainly works as showing us even if we tried we don't need to do what only God can. Yet we are meant to follow Him and His Begotten Son
@@JohnCephas yeah, makes perfect sense 🙄 No matter how guilty and evil a person is if they but believe in Jesus all is forgiven and they get to spend an eternity in bliss with Yahweh. No matter how innocent and good a person is if they don't believe in Jesus then they get tortured forever in Hell. Never mind that belief isn't a choice and outside peoples control. Furthermore, why can't Yahweh just forgive sins unconditionally as he commanded us to forgive sins unconditionally? I can come up with a better plan of salvation. A person must make seek forgiveness and restitution from those they've actually harmed. It's impossible to harm Yahweh in any meaningful way. Those who do good will be rewarded and those who do bad will be punished. After they've been punished for a time that matches their sins then they and those who did good get three choices. A) Spent eternity with Yahweh B) Spent eternity in comfort elsewhere C) Cease to exist See how much more fair and just my system is compared to Yahweh's? His is neither just nor merciful.
Peace be with your breath. I am not sure what gave you that impression about salvation, perhaps there is a misunderstanding. I had written up a response for ya, but it seems that backspacing with shift deletes the whole message. Anyway, if you are interested in mutually beneficial dialogue i can continue this discussion with you!
No, the commandments were given to Moses in the book of Exodus which is believed to be set around 13-14th century BC. Abraham, who appears in the book of Genesis is dated to around the 20th century BC.
"You're certainly not tinkering with an already perfect creation like some see-through George Lucas."
Brilliant XD
Absolutely brilliant yes lmao
Lol 733
Sadly we all thought that it couldn't get worse than George Lucas losing his mind and making parts 1-3. Then we saw parts 7-9, and much to our horror, knew that it could, and did, get SO much worse than parts 1-3.....
@@SirReptitious didn't Lucas sell to Disney? there was this massive media display about that half that year
@@ShawnJonesHellion Yes, after he made parts 1-3 he didn't want to make anymore himself. Lucasfilm was his company and so he had the right to sell it to whoever he wanted. I just wish he had sold it to any other movie studio than Disney.
"Like I have any chance of forming an independant basis of right and wrong outside the instructions of some supervisory being, no Lord, I am your bitch." Literally could not say this better myself.
its kenham in a nutshell lol
It fits perfectly the Milgram experiment :-)
@@maerosss Not really no
@@TheMaxORyan Well, not "perfectly", but it's kinda there.
@@maerosss not really, if anything religion disproves milgram, because people are obedient to a distant entity / one that they can't interact with at all
Reporter: "How do you explain the message?"
Priest: "Well, it's probably just some random mutation in the watermelon's genetics... OH NO WAIT. NOT THAT!"
Can u explain that joke plz i didn't understand.
Edit: i get it now. Thanks.
@@erebus3059 He could've easily said "God put that there" but went with a "science did it" answer.
@@erebus3059 "just some random mutation in the watermelon's genetics" means Evolution happened, many Christians reject Evolution
@@tom-qj6uw To be precise, random mutations are the basis of evolution, but it also requires selective pressure--that which sorts out the survivors from the others.
@@tom-qj6uw lmao. That joke flew past me. I though only Creationist denied Evolution. Catholics Denying Evolution is a first for me.
These sketches have a big Monty Python energy
more like a big dick energy amirite?
@@totigerus that's a might big python you got down there
A bit on the smart side of Monthy id say
@@totigerus You mean Biggus Dickus energy, right?
@@noneofyourbusiness5134 pffff
Jamie as Issac makes an amazing huge little boy. Hes so fresh-faced.
Its actually Ivan
@@maxraimi9378 Well, now it is.
All hail Vectron!
Nyarlathotep for the win !
That's numberwang!!!
This masterpiece is on TH-cam from 12 years and TH-cam only considered showing it to me now?
You weren't ready
The -Lord- algorithm works in mysterious ways
It's a sign!
The algorithm is never late or early. It is always on time. It knows when you’re ready. It shows you the door. You have to walk through it.
Bit odd, innit?
Algorithm is trying to bring back everyones sense of humor cuz it realizes how miserable we've all made each other!
Brilliant!
I always knew David Mitchell was secretly God.
Mitchell's atheism was the perfect cover.
He's the Myth Child. Of course he is.
Come on. God is pretty good, but he is no David Mitchell.
It's no secret!
Well he is everywhere...
"Obviously there is a God , and He's fine."
if you haven't seen this! you should XD th-cam.com/video/caXeAMseve0/w-d-xo.html
So funny but it actually hit home for me. The sacrifice of Isaac story was the first thing I heard that started me questioning god and his worthiness to be worshipped. I was around 11 years old. I’m now an agnostic atheist.
If you loved this, you should see that QI episode where David suggests a possibility that heaven does exist but only atheists are allowed in..
th-cam.com/video/o3ha18O1dAI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=RATIONALItees
@@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347 Thank you, you bloody peasant.
@@DennisMoore664 Oh, what a giveaway! Did'j'hear that, did'j'hear that, eh? That's
what I'm all about! Did you see 'im repressing me? You saw it,
didn't you?!
this must be related to that old saying "I wouldn't want to be a part of any group that would have me as a member"
Who in the four Gospels snd Acts said atheists aren't going to the afterlife or atemporal life?
"Not interrupting, am I?"
-God
Probably some random mutation in the watermelons genetics. Oh no wait not that!
Funfact: A Catholic Priest invented the theory of the big bang.
@@bud389 bud, that comment is a decade old. Move on.
@@bud389 AKA Choirboy "leapfrog"
@@cranknlesdesires I'll move on when people stop implying that small protestant factions that deny science represent all Christians. Are you aware he also invented Hubbles Law before Hubble?
@@robcompton6099 Funny you should mention that, since the Greeks which were so renowned for their sciences were pederasts.
The old testament is mental.
Yep. At some point this sunk in, and they thought they'd better write the new testament, and hope no-one noticed the massive dichotomy. Subtle.
Wish Id seen this on Sunday mornings as a kid
This should be recommended to all Christians.
To all religions would be more helpful
Its a all bats
Glorious.
This just proves it once and for all: David Mitchell is God!
David Mitchell is not God, he's just a very naughty boy.
@@michaelginever732 yeah, well I'd call drowning everyone "naughty" so the point stands, Mitchell is God.
I never quite understood why so many of the people who apparently believe, deeply and genuinely, that they will go to heaven and death is not to be feared... well, why so many of them seem so *angry* about things. I'd be so happy, all the time, if death and mortality and dead friends and parents were things I was certain I didn't need to worry about.
What is that based on? They're all lovely people.
As we all know, atheists are renowned for how peaceful they are, never expressing anger on the internet or media against other believers. Never advocating for violence or violating other people's rights. Nope no way.
@@johnw574 the point went over your head, you got on the defensive, and you decided to just go full moron
So basically you are admitting to being unhappy and angry all the time.
@@johnw574 Indeed. Not as accepting and tolerant as Christians though.
Brilliant!
I went to a religious school through 8th grade. The first time I heard this bible story was when I started questioning my religion. I thought it was horrifying.
I enjoyed the clip. But here's some historical context. Human sacrifice was not a "new idea" but a rampant custom of the Sumerians that Abraham was running away from. His idea that he had to do the same to his son was a remaining vestige of his former culture that God was trying to finally rid him of. Hence God dramatically stopping the sacrifice and saying "never again" and "don't worship me in the same bloody and sacrificial fashion that the Sumerians worship their gods", was the true meaning of the story. I am not alone in saying this. There are some Jewish scholars who subscribe to this alternative view. Thus the big three religions are not based on human sacrifice, but just the opposite, on putting an end to human sacrifice. Breaking ties with Mesopotamian idolatry of the past. Big difference. Keep questioning! Happy travels.
@@farrukhalavi5460 It was also a clear example of what's to come. Abraham tells Isaac "God will provide the lamb" and yet what they find in the bushes is a ram, not a lamb.
Jesus the Christ was the Sacrificial Lamb God would and did provide, sacrificing His Son. It helps to emphasize Father's love for us, to ponder the binding of Isaac and compare it to thr crucifixion.
@@farrukhalavi5460 So you don't personally favour Kierkegaard's insane interpretation?
@@farrukhalavi5460 thing is, there have indeed been times and places where human sacrifice creeps into abrahamic traditions.
in the "time of abraham" it would have indeed been fairly common. other members of the pantheon that generated yahveh (the god of abraham) did indeed have such sacrifices in their traditions. fairly sure even yahveh's followers also did such things.
however, by the "time of king david," the yahvist priesthood had dominated the kingdom of israel, and had already started to erase the existence of the rest of the pantheon. they didnt wipe it out though. worship of the goddess that was yahveh's wife persisted until the "time of jesus."
Way to go! Please continue - even though, I know we can't share maps and charts and timelines and facts and figures easily on TH-cam and we're all pretty much strangers here...
Brilliant. if only I had a television I would have seen that years ago
get a tele mate
and don't forget to pay your tv license!
@@superchroma what would you do that for? Who needs tele nowadays with the internet, BBC content is mostly shit (not worth 140 quid) and you can watch everything else an hour later or the next day
I don't have a television, and I streamed all of Mitchell and Webb years ago.
@@John.Not-Jack.Daniels dude man, please, guy get a god damn tele brother
Brilliant.
How am I only now seeing this.? Excellent!
do let us know if you have any other brilliant ideas, Lord
"Not interrupting, am I ?" 😀
At the beginning; Helen- "Oh my..." (no god)
that was brilliant i didn't notice that
4:16 no lord, I am your bitch!😂🤣
Sums religion up perfectly.
Will Sterben No!
Yeah, it kinda does. In a nutshell.
It's certainly a good idea to question all your beliefs- religious, political, otherwise. The Christian approach to Abraham and Isaac is normally that God had promised Abraham a son by Sarah, even though both were past childbearing age, and that through that son Abraham would be "father to a nation". Abraham reasoned that, even if he killed Isaac, God could raise him back to life, and would do so, as God had kept all His promises up to that point. Hence God tested Abraham's faith.
Obviously, I understand the concerns about religion, and the unquestioning idiocy of the characters in this video is amusing here and troubling in real life. And I apologise for Robin's attitude.
Also worth noting David Mitchell has said that he is agnostic, not an atheist. th-cam.com/video/xA85LVmqg0M/w-d-xo.html This is his attitude.
Robin Gilliver care to elaborate, moron?
This is hilarious 😂🤣
The ironic thing is if this did happen and was proven genuine we'd probably assume God did exist and had a sense of humour.
Webb suits well in that long beard
Genius
Haha, you've got me there.
Richard Dawkins impression on point
Hahaha, this is actually pretty clever.
This is brilliant!
Wierd it has so few views:S
im WAYY too stoned for this...
Aptly biblical choice of words
@@Dilkingt0nne I was about to ask if they had cheated on their spouse, actually 🙂
@J4XX3R all sketches combined in this video are also available separately...
When you are a kid & grown ups tell you these stories are true, you believe them. I wish I hadn't grown up, it was nice to believe. But looking back, I wish I hadn't been told the bullshit in the first place.
Robin Gilliver What's your problem with atheists?
I was told this bullshit, never believed it for one second.
I too feel that it be much easier and less a painful existence unfortunately once you realise Santa ain't real ain't no putting that toothpaste back in the tube
@@xMrAmity
Santa wasn’t real, but Saint Nicholas was, and he spent his whole life giving as much as he could, performing miracles, and bitch slapping Areas.
And did you pass on the bullshit to your own kids?
Biblical study is certainly not always worthless. It's only worthless if you aren't an atheist by the time it's done.
diebydeath we both know you haven't done any biblical study.
No part of any biblical or scientific study contradicts the existence of a supernatural being. They only contradict aspects of different religious beliefs. for example a God who abandoned the universe at the moment of the big bang is not contradicted in any way. We have no reason to believe it, but no reason not to. We have no data on the universe before the big bang, so any claim is pure speculation.
No part of any biblical or scientific study contradicts the existence of Bigfoot. They only contradict aspects of different religious beliefs. for example a Bigfoot who abandoned the universe at the moment of the big bang is not contradicted in any way. We have no reason to believe it, but no reason not to. We have no data on the universe before the big bang, so any claim is pure speculation.
McSuperfly you repeat that as if what the person before you said was completely wrong. You saying that there is NOT a God holds the same amount of weight as someone saying there IS a God.
@@McSuperfly101 You think you sound smart however all you did was equally prove the validity of @James H 's comment. Nice try.
The Myth Child is always right.
Faith is the belief in something despite having no evidence to support it, or in fact in spite of evidence to the contrary. So yeah, I guess you're right, it is basically the ability to suppress logical thought.
Interesting enough this is similar to how many scientific theories work that are typically taught as facts.
@@KnightGlint Citation needed.
@isle9 Of course! How silly of me. I should have realized. :)
@@KnightGlint Evolution is a theory, but there is enough evidence to say it exists. Can we prove that chimps and humans evolved from the same genetic lineage, no, we don't have first hand proof, but the evidence we do have supports the theory (genetic sequencing and archeological records), and doesn't for example support other ideas such as Lamarckism or orthogenesis.
So, Evolution is a theory, but its the best damn answer that ties together what we do know, till we get unequivocal proof.
There is no belief in Science, hypothesis are created, and tested, and then test again a different way, and tested again by others, and then checked against new information. If it falls at any part it's not part of the scientific acceptance.
Scientists may believe, but Science doesn't. Science is a process of rigorous understanding of the natural world.
The theory of general relativity (e=mc2) is questioned but still stands, and we use its to predict things that we cannot know, but then test and do know. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190725150408.htm
When you can use a 'theory' to predict what you will find, you can probably take it as fact.
If you are learning that belief is strong in science, you either are being taught incorrectly, or completely misunderstand what science actually is.
Of there are logical arguments to made on a topic. And I can't think of any subject that doesn't have its logical arguments.
@Mullahgrrl o wow thanks i always rely on sketch comedy to be historically accurate! big tick for you!
"yeah i'm totally cool with it" stab stab stab 🤣
1:50 is the best joke in comedy history
The Bible is the infallible word of God, and every word of it is true. So if the insane bits are obviously wrong (they are), how is any of it valid? What's the point if you can pick and choose what mandatory divine orders you follow?
some might say that some of these entries are metaphors, on the other hand I completely agree with you.
Did you actually want an answer?
It was in the sketch. It's a test. Work out the bits that are true and have a fulfilling life. Accept all of it and go straight to hell.
@@glennmartin6492
In matters of salvation the Bible is infallible, as historical works however, the various books in it relevant to those subjects are literary first, and factual second, though this is also partially just because that is how things were done at the time.
Bible is best understood as it was meant to be understood, that is a body of literature which is to help in the teaching and apostleship of the masses, in conjunction with the liturgy, sacred tradition, and the deposit of faith.
@@joecostner1246
To be fair that’s what Joseph thought at first too, hence why he was going to low-key send her away, until a angel appeared to him and told him not to do that.
You’re right in that virgins usually don’t give birth, not even a little, hence why it was a rather notable event.
So funny
@J4XX3R i don't know if you know but this is a TV show...
On the eighth day, God created the Harley-Davidson. On the ninth day, he traded it in for something lighter and faster.
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I'm dead
Oh no wait, not that 😂😂😂😂
Rev. Steven Murray....
@vazhkatsi ...what does the word "pagan" mean to you?
Certainly gives a new perspective on religion. Can't wait until they tackle all the other thorny bits of the Bible. There are so many from which to choose.
I love their take on the Good Samaritan. Highly recommended!
I swear I did not know that sketch. But this is exactly how I told that story to my eight year old son.
No you didn’t
@@Dilkingt0nne Yes I did!
@@andreassumerauer5028
Then you did a rather poor job of it, Abraham was very much not gung ho about the idea, but seeing as he only had Isaac in the first place because of the Lord, he viewed it as just as much God’s right to take his son away.
I won’t deny that Mitchell and Web are funny, and the sketch is really funny, but it’s funny in the same way it would be funny if I made a sketch about Muslims praying constantly or being cartoonishly misogynistic.
That is it’s based on some broad misunderstanding or stereotype, without any deeper understanding of the thing being mocked, which for a sketch show is perfectly OK, but is about as far from theology or understanding in this matter as one can be
@@allthenewsordeath5772 Or maybe he was just psychotic.
I have to admit my tolerance for any atrocities justified by religious tradition is about zero. And yea, I'd say the glorification of attempted child murder is among those.
@@andreassumerauer5028
I mean you’re going to be really upset about what God had done to his own son then.
On a more serious note you kind of missed the point of the thing, namely that God explicitly does not demand human sacrifice.
Atheists often accuse us believers of cherry picking the Bible, and some certainly do, especially those who pretend like Christianity is all about feeling good, and being wishy-washy, and only following the things Jesus said that sound nice to our modern sensibilities, but atheists also have a pretty bad habit of cherry picking the Bible, using passages without any context, and just twisting it to suit their narrative, without taking into account Christian teaching, or the book from which the passage is taken as a whole.
Also if you think a belief system leads to atrocities being committed, as virtually all belief systems inevitably due to lesser or greater degrees, because humans are kind of shitty, then it would make far more sense to want to understand sed belief system, and why some would use it to that ends, rather than refusing to engage with it out of a superstitious fear.
@vazhkatsi Nnnno, that's exactly what it means. Based on the "City of God" metaphor, Christians in antiquity began calling non-Christians, especially Hellenes, "pagani," or "rural"; "heathen" arose identically and contemporaneously from a Germanic root, so what one does or doesn't mean, so the other. The word has never in broad usage referred specifically to nature worship, and certainly not originally.
This pleases me.
I laughed so hard I dropped my cupcake :(
Yeah, an all-knowing God, who would know what Abraham was going to do even before Isaac's sacrifice was suggested, would OF COURSE "test" Abraham by ordering this nonsense.
Why do you say nonsense?
@@JohnCephas- It's nonsense because God, with the powers claimed for Him, would already know the result of the test - as He should have with Adam and Eve - so there's no need for it. The story's a good example which shows that the Bible was written for Man by Man, and not by a supreme intelligence.
@@Malt454 There's no need for God Himself to be tested, but for the limited creatures which He created - don't you see value in the opportunity for them to grow and learn in their own limited knowledge and capacity?
@@JohnCephas- It's not God Himself who supposedly WAS being tested (duh) - but Abraham was already the man he was regardless, and God supposedly already knew that. The only thing that anyone should really "learn" from taking this story literally is that God is an asshole, despite supposedly having unlimited knowledge, wisdom and love. Then again, it was just a stupid story created by stupid people for even more stupid people.
@@Malt454 I suppose the point went over your head, that's a shame. Well, i invite you to dialogue about it but otherwise you know the saying... Don't cast pearls before..?
Abraham and Isaac's enthusiasm takes me out. I like to think that's how it actually went down.
4:08 👌
Ethics generally has more to do with the SOURCE of morality itself, not from which we ourselves find guidance to those morals. It's a nuance but an important one, one which leads to the questions of whether any morals can objectively exist.
@@Trevor_Hill
It is interesting to think about.
Does objectivity exist? I guess it does exist in the sense that we created a meaning to the word - but does 'true' objectivity exist?
Ethics are defined by moral humans.
You don't have to be moral to follow ethical rules, but how do you make ethics without morals? Does the cosmos somehow contains ethics by default, before man?
Of course, God demands and accepts the sacrifice of Rehab.
And he accepted the sacrifice of Jephthat's daughter.
The scary thing is that most people only know this "sacrifice" which was just a test so they assuming that "God" is actually good. The story of Jeptah in the Bible is a bit different. He had to kill his daughter to win some battle. Later in the New Testament which considered to be more "moral" that guy is called a "hero" by Jesus himself...for sacrificing his daughter.
It probably came from ( earlier?) story of Idomenus, king of Crete, who sacificed his son after he returned from Troy, or some mesopotamian or Egyptian myth.
While you have that filnt handy
Try this at mecca
“Well it was probably some random mutation in the watermelon’s genetics- Oh wait not that!”
The funniest thing about this sketch is millions of Christian apologists actually justify Abraham almost murdering his son and say it's a wonderful thing that God did.
Actually no, it's a horrific story that some people celebrate for some reason. It's quite sick really.
That's not really the _funniest_ thing about this sketch..
I'll tell you what's sick, a secular society saying abortion is okay because a woman has a "right" to be a slut and murder unborn children because she doesn't feel like taking responsibility for her actions.
@@bud389 Lol. We have a time traveller here - what’s it like back in the dark ages? The present day must be awfully confusing to you, with its rights for women and lack of mass slavery. Plus the iPhones and stuff.
@@bud389 Emmm, yeah. It's all the fault of those "slutty" women isn't it bud?
Don't worry - you'll get a girl someday.
Or die a hero while finally carrying out that incel rampage you're constantly living out in your head..
"Actually no, it's a horrific story that some people celebrate for some reason. It's quite sick really." You didn't get it, every religion that condemns human sacrifice has the same kind of story, why people shouldn't kill their infants for this one super amazing being and every story of this kind i heard so far, doesn't make any sense at all and are actually quite hilarious. And the sketch points that wonderfully out.
Killing a sheep or goat as a substitute for Abe's son became a tradtion in Jewish tradition and still is in Islam. In Doha, Qatar, there are signs on the highways saying "Do not slaughter sheep and goats outside of an abattoir". In Arabc and English, helpfully. and of course the myth of Jesus being crucified is a major one-time human sacrifice.
God has brilliant ideas, obviously. He is definitely not an idiot.
As smart as a Unicorn.
I've never seen the Isaac-Abraham one, damn
@arnold08
See, everyone gets sky-cake.
Oh no wait not that!
Monty python revived!
I though he was going to say he saw Richard Dawkins in the watermelon.
I noted that Helen, rhymes with melon, for some reason.
And god is dog backwards, and there is no dog in the sketch either.
Coincidence?
you know put in this context the idea of a god just sounds so silly
@IoEstasCedonta when were they under pagan rule? before christianity, most of the dominant religions were polytheist, or rarely monotheist, and almost none of them were pagan.
Not to step on anyone's toes, but God didn't stop the sacrifice, an angel did. God never said it was a test either. Nor did the angel. It was just sort of... Insinuated. I actually think an accurate version would be funnier as it suggests the angels thought God went a bit far and had an intervention. "Was it a test then?" - "Hm?" - "Was God, you know, testing our faith and all that?" - "Testing your... OH! Oh. Haha. Yes. Of course. Something like that. Probably." - "Probably?" - "Yes yes. Well you know God. He works in mysterious ways etc. etc. You never know with him. But yes, a test. Probably."
Genesis 22:12
“for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.” - Angel of the Lord speaking on God’s behalf.
It’s stated explicitly that this was a test.
And your desired comedy sketch was done in "Year One" by Jack Black.
the hubris to think you're smarter than a magical being
*supposed magical being
I can take a pretty safe bet that I'm more qualified than Dobby the House Elf in multiple fields.
I always wondered who was the bloke who first said, "hey, I've got this great idea, you know our penises, well..."
Yeah I really don't like any non-voluntary permanent procedures done on children that are not for valid medical reasons.
If they come of age and decide without coercion they want it - fine.
Nothing above is intended to project hate at any specific groups - I don't like that I was christened at the age of 1. Should of been my choice! (and it would have been NO).
Imagine having such poor hygiene that mutilating your schlong is a better alternative than finding some way to keep clean... that's the kind of geniuses who wrote the Bible, that many modern humans consider a fountain of wisdom. People who had no idea what smegma was, let alone how the universe came into being.
Also made for an awfully difficult religion to convert to. Fuck if I am going to cut my penis just to pray to this prude god. I am worshipping Baccus, getting drunk and having sex.
David Batty boys
Big see-through George Lucas.
We can't what you said was the conclusion.
This perfectly makes fun of, how ridicules religion seems, to non religious people.
Wish there was more of this on American TV.
I have friends who say the craziest religious nonsense, and I wish, they could see how silly/dangerous it all is.
Thanks BBC, for this good humored poke at them.
the fact that you believe that this is in any way actually ridiculing religion shows that you don't understand an ounce of British humour.
If god is all knowing then wouldn't he know the mind of Abraham and therefore the test to kill his son would be pointless?
ZER0
Not at all.
The Free Will Paradox.
Depends on whether you subscribe to determinism or free will. Determinism would say, yes, absolutely pointless because Abraham was destined and planned not to kill his son. Hence why determinism mostly died out after the Renaissance. Free will would dictate that there was a chance he wouldn't, so God only intervened at the last moment when he was sure of what the result would be.
Funny sketch though.
It's worse than that - If God is all-powerful, then he cannot be all-knowing, because when stuff goes wrong, he has to intervene with miracles to set the undesirable event right.
If he was all-knowing, then he'd have already known the undesirable event would happen, and that he was going to have to fix it with a miracle, which means he has no choice about what happens or when he will intervene with miracles, and therefore couldn't be all-powerful.
@@K1lostream alternatively he is all powerful and he is all knowing. He's just extremely sadistic and enjoys punishing and destroying things which, to him, are basically mindless automatons. Of course this goes against what all the Abrahamic religions teach, so it seems they might have gotten something wrong.
The end was kind of "cut off"
5 people are called issac...
The ghost of Christopher Hitchens approves
as a child, having and talking to an invisible friend is fine
as an adult, it should probably get you medicated or locked up
Well, it *is* a good excuse to dodge taxes, though...
As an agnostic preacher, I don’t know what to make of this sketch.
As a thinking human, I don't know what to make of you, an "agnostic preacher". (Sorry, was too irresistible - unless you were making a joke and I didn't get it). ✌️
Lol agnostic preacher.
As a Solipsistic, i was the one who came up with that joke.
@@jackkraken3888
Many ministers of religion who start out as believers become agnostic or atheistic as they read more deeply into their religion. Some will not quit because their house and income come with the job, and perhaps their family, friends and too much of their self-identity too.
So there are many agnostic and atheist preachers; I even know of a mutual support groups for Christian ones, with several hundreds (now thousands?) of members.
@@SpeckleKen I see your point.
He visto el video (que no conocía). Público infame, se ríe de lo que no debería. Así va el mundo!!!
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I'm a Muslim and the same stories are also mentioned in my tradition as an abrahamic faith, albeit with changes.
I'm curious though, do Christians really believe in such an anthropomorphic understanding of The Creator? Where do they get this notion from?
My tradition is clear regarding all sorts of iconography and anthropomorphism in that regards.
How do Christians reconcile the idea of an infinitely Supreme and limitless Creator with anthropomorphism, which is inherently limiting?
There really isn't that much logic to the Christian faith tbh. They'd probably don't see anthropomorphism as limiting, and think God is all-knowing, all-powerful etc. and thus can overcome any problem you suggest, without any explanation of how he overcomes it.
We don’t believe in any more of an anthropomorphic God than you do. The Bible, specifically the Old Testament, speaks of God using anthropomorphic language but this is just analogy to help us to understand. It’s like when the psalm says that we rest beneath the wings of God, we don’t think that God is a chicken or anything of the sort. Much like Muslims, or my understanding of the Islamic faith at least, we hold God to be pure being itself, a unity, purely simple, all powerful, all knowing, all good, eternal, etc etc. I don’t believe either the people who made this believe in the Christian faith, so I wouldn’t take this sketch as representative of it.
@@joesiemer3937 I see. Glad to hear from you.
Alternatively, knowing that all religion is made up bollocks solves all of the issues
Hence why all religions attempt to indoctrinate children from birth and brainwash them before they're old enough to reason things for themselves
This is the definition of child abuse, and should be outlawed
@hookiebookie1 ...said Jesus
@sarahROFL1 lol :)
But if there is no God, then who put the message there???
@NickHallifax Or Ivan...
Now that’s how God should be, absent minded
JCB
That satsuma predicted Jeremy Corbyn
There's actually an interpretation that Abraham failed the test and that God wanted Abraham to refuse
And yet The Heavenely Father sacrificed His Own Begotten Son... Perhaps the binding of Isaac was to show us something!
@@JohnCephas Maybe the idea was that Abraham failed the test because that was not his place, but it was God's place? Idk. I like to learn about the theory of it but I am not an expert, haha
@@Noah-wx7fm Well, it certainly works as showing us even if we tried we don't need to do what only God can. Yet we are meant to follow Him and His Begotten Son
@@JohnCephas yeah, makes perfect sense 🙄
No matter how guilty and evil a person is if they but believe in Jesus all is forgiven and they get to spend an eternity in bliss with Yahweh.
No matter how innocent and good a person is if they don't believe in Jesus then they get tortured forever in Hell.
Never mind that belief isn't a choice and outside peoples control.
Furthermore, why can't Yahweh just forgive sins unconditionally as he commanded us to forgive sins unconditionally?
I can come up with a better plan of salvation.
A person must make seek forgiveness and restitution from those they've actually harmed. It's impossible to harm Yahweh in any meaningful way.
Those who do good will be rewarded and those who do bad will be punished.
After they've been punished for a time that matches their sins then they and those who did good get three choices.
A) Spent eternity with Yahweh
B) Spent eternity in comfort elsewhere
C) Cease to exist
See how much more fair and just my system is compared to Yahweh's?
His is neither just nor merciful.
Peace be with your breath. I am not sure what gave you that impression about salvation, perhaps there is a misunderstanding. I had written up a response for ya, but it seems that backspacing with shift deletes the whole message. Anyway, if you are interested in mutually beneficial dialogue i can continue this discussion with you!
When god commanded that Abraham sacrifice his son were there no commandments?
No, the commandments were given to Moses in the book of Exodus which is believed to be set around 13-14th century BC. Abraham, who appears in the book of Genesis is dated to around the 20th century BC.
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@@noncompulsoryl It was probably all a bit made up by people who were scared of the sky