I've tried the hd560s and I have been really impressed by it. I do think the bass on the hd560s is more extended than the hd650. But because the hd650 has more emphasis in the 100 - 300Hz range, it does create an impression that it has more bass than the 560s, but IMO, I think the hd560s bass is not rolled off especially for an open back dynamic driver headphone. So, I do prefer the bass response on the hd560s as compared to the hd6xx series (hd600, hd650 and hd6xx) which has a steep roll off at around the 80hz range. IMO, I think the hd560s has better technical performance than the hd650, but I do concede that the hd650 does sound more musical.
@@jonathan4681 Ideally, owning both would be the best. But the HD600 offers a smoother sound overall and a sharper roll off in the sub bass region and a smaller sound stage as compared to the 560s
@@TheWarrenng crazy, I just got the sennheiser hd 600 and I think the 560s sounds way better. I guess this hobby is very subjective of what is better. The bass on the hd 600 sounds anmic compare to the 560s and the treble is smother but overall it sounds very boring, I feel the hd 560s sounds very musically(imo). I don't know if it's the soundstage, bass, or treble but it just sounds better. Even my etymotic 2xr sou ds better than the hd 600, I have a question do you think an amp makes a difference in making a headphone sound better or is all palcebo?
The 560 s has been my go-to for gaming and movies (even over the pc38x). Excellent imaging and staging with super clear detail. The clean bass also mitigates the disorientation gamers may experience when sound effects like explosions occur. It's amazing for certain songs, particularly for live music where you can pick out the different instruments and isolated details. They make other songs sound very plain, so your mileage will vary as far as musical enjoyment. Sibilance is definitely an issue, I mainly notice it in TH-cam videos recorded with cheaper mics and a handful of songs. This is a fair take, if a bit reactionary (responding to the hype). I'd use the 6xx for music and the 560 for pretty much everything else.
@@iurivp I'm currently using the Hel 2, but before it arrived I was using a 20 dollar FiiO headphone amp, and it drove the 560s fine. It needs less power than the 58x and 6xx but more than a pc38x
@@MichelandOi The beyer is really good yeah :) Probably the only real concurrent of the hd 560s for less money Here the Tygr300R is at 139€ and the hd560S is at 149€ The Tygr300r offer more bass and clear highs, while the senn's are more focus on neutral experience
Worth noting that the 6X0 range is quite uncomfortable for large ears. I find myself wearing my 599’s with EQ more than my 600’s simply because of comfort (6X0’s ears touch the drivers)
Strange coincidence is that all the negative reviews comes from people who love the myth of the 6Xx, headphones technically obsolete, and they sound almost angry at whatever is considered, with reason, better. Maybe because they spent other thousands buying all the possible amplifiers to make those sounding decently and they don't accept the fact that cheaper headphones sounds better with almost everything? The other reason could be the fact that it is a common trend to do a video in TH-cam saying the opposite of what the 90% of the other reviewers say to look more expert and catch views. The third reason could be the anger in not receiving free headphones to test from the vendors like more popular reviewers do.
Interesting review. I still think you're too harsh regarding Sennheiser's claims. Even accepting your criticism it seems the basic characteristics are there (flatness, bass extension, soundstage) and are backd up by various mesurements and other reviewers. Disclaimer: I don't own a 560S, I do own the 598 and 6XX.
I appreciate your feedback, but I completely disagree with your conclusion that the "basic characteristics are there." The headphone is not flat; saying that the bass is "extended" is vague, and only implies that you can hear sub-bass--which is true, but that sub-bass is not accurately depicted; and the soundstage is a far cry from "wide" as other reviewers have claimed--rather, it is above-average. Measurements are only a hint of the actual sound signature. They are not a true indicator of performance, and are often overused as support for somebody's personal preference. As for what other reviewers say--I think you should judge them with as much skepticism as you do me. Their utter failure to describe their methodology, typical vague descriptions of performance, heavy reliance on hyperbole, and failure to conduct meaningful A/B tests should warrant critical examination of their opinions. Moreover, as I said in this video, actual customers are not having the same experience as some of the reviewers. Either those customers got faulty headphones, or the reviewers were being less than honest about the product. I don't think it's fair for you to cherry-pick only the positive feedback from reviewers while not mentioning the negative experiences as well. Finally, I want to address your position that I'm being too harsh with Sennheiser. No, I am not. I find it strange how some people think Sennheiser's blatantly contradictory, inflated, and specific promises should be excused. I have no doubt at all that were you looking to buy a TV, car, house, or any other object, you'd want to get what you were specifically promised. It is rather self-serving to turn the other cheek with audio manufacturers (especially the ones you like) while demanding strict performance from other types of manufacturers. The same rule must apply to everyone.
@@NoThemeReviews soundstage depends on your individual ear shape and head shape and many other factors. Do not expect everyone to perceive sound the same way you dp
@@albertweedsteinthethuggeni7797 I don't expect people to hear what I hear, or that I will hear what they hear. But headphones designed by competent engineers are made for the average person, with physical variations taken into account. I agree with you completely that we don't experience the exact same sounds or music. But are you suggesting that physiological differences in ear shape, height, and head size would suddenly render a headphone's response dramatically differently from one person to the next? Moreover, would you agree that a person's prior experience has a significant influence in what they perceive? For example, if someone has listened to only closed-back headphones, then listening to the 560s might be a revelation and they would say that the soundstage is wide. To them, that is entirely true. But in the spectrum of headphones--in comparisons--that perception gets tempered. Or do you disagree?
Yes, the physiological differences makes exactly that difference. The Wavelength in the highs at 10k are around 3,4 cm. So we are talking about wavelengths which can match under the headphone and hit different parts of the ear. If a wavelength hits an object with the same or larger diameter it can't move around, if the wavelength is longer than the objects diameter it can travel around that object. Ever compared the headphone measurements of different reviews? You will find very big differences. You won't find nearly that large differences on different speaker measurements, the should look nearly same (if windowed to exclude the room influence or made free air) and you can be sure all the rigs used for HP measurements are calibrated, so what do you think is causing the big differences? It must be the combination of physical shape and sitting..
I got the 560S recently and really like them AFTER Eq is applied (listening via FiiO M11). I couldn't use them out of the box without EQ, however the soundstage and imaging is impressive so worth some tweaking (anywhere between 4 and 5 kHz down by up to 4db depending on the track). I really wish I had the opportunity to compare with the 6XX as a friend has them but won't come out with Covid around. I listen to classical and I feel they are highly detailed, woodwind and voices are great in particular, but they are certainly not neutral. My alternative at this price (£160) for an open pair is something like Philips Fidelio X2 but there seemed too many scare stories about issues with declining quality control and channel mismatch there.
I just got a m11 ultra plus ess when my sony nw-a55 crapped out and I'm getting these headphones sent to me this week can you share your settings with me for the eq thanks
@@DG-lh6vc to be honest I can see your point. They are inherently a bit airy that's all so a bit of a low boost and sometimes 4khz cut comes in handy, depending on the track. I did eventually compare with 660 and the Ss hold their own with the lovely wide soundstage. A very different signature. I dont think there is a 'better'.
Have both. Really happy with HD6xx picked up as new under $130. Find it hard going back to the HD560s now. HD6xx just feel like easier listening after the 560s.
I went from an X2 to a 560s and the clarity difference was insanely noticeable. After two years of using a 560s i got a 6xx and going back to the 560s really shows how different the headphones are especially the treble and sibilance that I'm sensitive to. I'm sticking to the 6xx, easier to listen to, better for music overall, bit worse for gaming sure, but the goosebumps I get in music from the 6xx is worth that tradeoff.
I appreciate your very personal and straightforward opinion, whether the result is different or identical to everybody else. Your reviewing progress is pretty detailed. Been watching you since your NDH-20 video
Eventually I settled.Ended up with HD600s.After 560s tried 600 and 650s.found 650s too muddy with its smoothness more bassy sound and lacking details/vocals that 600 does way better.Finally found perfect headphones(hd600)and use it with Zen Can with Xbass boost .Excellent combination.
Very 'audiophilish' in the sound part of the review. What equipment you use is irrelevant if don't level match when comparing headphones. No actual discussion of measurements or even discussion of eq (which you're RME has the ability to do). The 6xx rolls off bass more, but the midbass is fatter (aka, less accurate).
No I don’t discuss measurements. I don’t give a rats ass about how headphones measure. Nor do I care about EQ. It’s amusing you think talking about the sound is “audiophilish”. Yeah. That’s what this hobby is b
@@NoThemeReviews Too subjective, IMO. Data gives viewers perspective. HRTF alone means subjective reviews of headphones are practically worthless because individual likes or dislikes likely won't jibe with others. Your review style isn't bad, however, it's simply not useful to me.
Man, I love my Sennheiser HD560S, , I´m more an iem user, I have a bunch of them but nowdays I´m more focused on Headphones, so one particular brand caught me (AKG K702) and I'm undecided whether to buy it or not, if there's something better for the price, remembering that when it comes to headphones, my experience is more limited, compared to IEMs, which I've already tested almost everything., another one I'm interested in is the HD600 but the price is already higher, what do you advise me? Or maybe buy a desktop dac/amp and try to be happy with my HD560S, I have the Fiio BTR5 and Fiio BTR7, they´re good for the HD560S but they´re more for portability use. edit: The HD560S came with another cable now, the same you get with the HD599SE, wich is better.
I just got my hd560s after returning dt770 pros (found the high end to hurt and overall just didnt sound great). Also only paid 150 for the 560s. wow the hd560s sound SO much better. Also the headphone cable is literally 0 problem???? it even comes with its own cable tie so u can bunch it up to make it as long as you want. And with all the extra length u can really sit wherever you want. I think the plastic feels fine personally, and the clamping softens after a week. Also for my ears has plently of bass and sounds very detailed.
Can't easily get the 6XX outside of the US, certainly not without substantially increasing the price. I'll probably get a pair of Hifiman Sundara when I next upgrade.
@@konna200 It's an ouroboros effect. Drop has a fanatical base that will easily fall into the hype trap; it has a reliable hype reviewer who never says anything remotely critical of the products or the company; and it uses unethical practices to sell its products--blatantly misleading marketing, coupled with false warnings or suggestions that a product is only a limited run, etc. This cycle is so damn obvious, but people don't care. It is quite strange how readily people are willing to throw money at audiophile BS. Give these same people the wrong McDonald's order, and they'd storm the place and demand a refund.
Although this video is 2 years old, I have a feeling that your impressions of the 660s is different than that of the reviewers who praised the 560s but were less enthusiastic about the 660s. Although I don't think the 660s is a huge step up from the 600/6xxx/650, I had a hard time denying the technical superiority of the 660s to the others. One of the reasons I've used it daily for the past 5 years.
I listened to the lossy TH-cam audio on my $27 Blon BL01 IEMs. Could listen anywhere between 15 to 20 steps depending on background fan noise in the room and loudness levels. Played on my iPhone mini with the apple dac dongle. Who do I need $1000+ Focal to listen to even lesser info? Going to try it with my 599 with the same dongle and iPhone. Then will try it on my 660s (and ifi zen dac v2 coupled with macbook air)
I feel like you went out of your way to be negative about the 560s from the start. Even when you had something nice to say about them it was always with the caveat that it didn't make that big of a difference. I just bought the HD 490 Pro which is basically the same thing as the 560s and the one word I can come up with for them is "clarity". Everything just sounds clearer than the HD 6XX. In addition to the spaciousness and improved bass response (yes it's much better than the 6XX). I enjoy both for different reasons but the only thing I dislike about these are the cheaper build. I even find them slightly more comfortable than the 6XX. Different strokes but they're a nice pair of cans.
No I didn’t go out of my way. I am as critical with many other brands and products, and I have a consistent history with not putting up with sub-par gear that is shown off as something special. You’re welcome to enjoy whatever you like, but I certainly don’t have to agree.
Hi, I recently fitted to custom Cans bass mod, and does inproves the bass at bottom end on the 6xx, I find the 560 is neutral and use it on my Cambridge Audio Sonata system ,where as the 6xx I use on my Rotel A11 set up, yes the cable is I bit rubbery and tangles , because 560 has a 4 pin socket you get matching plug to a balanced or 4.4mm pentagon cable to your dac. . Regards mark
Thank you for the very detailed video, unfortunately, a lot went over my head as I'm not really an audiophile in the slightest. I'm considering getting the 6XX as a lot have described it as one of the best headphones relative to its price. However, one thing that has me on the fence is the bass. Would you recommend them to someone who mostly listens to rock, blues, and metal? What I care about mostly is at least being able to hear the bass guitar and, in general, just hear the different instruments with clarity. Would someone using something very basic like Samsung's buds complain about the lack of bass on the 6XX? Any insight is greatly appreciated!
Depending on which Samsung buds you're referring to, either you'd think that the 6xx has similar bass, or less bass. The 6xx is a very good headphone because it has a reasonably neutral sound signature. It is not the clearest, most detailed, and does not have a particularly wide soundstage. You can hear various instruments fairly well, assuming the mix allows for that to begin with. There are a multitude of headphones around and below $200 that do equally as well as the 6xx in some respects, or much better. If you want absolute clarity and detail, then you should look at the Austrian Audio Hi-x15 and x25; but you won't get a bass emphasis with them. The Rode NTH100 is also a fantastic option, and performs similar to the 6xx, but at a cheaper price (and it also has much better build quality). The OneOdio Monitor 80 is also an excellent headphone for $100, and will have a bit more bass than the 6xx. The Philips X2HR and SHP 9500 are both comparable alternatives to the 6xx, but cheaper. Take your time going through your options. Audiophiles like to pretend they know the holy grail headphone, IEM, amp, or Dac---but it's all bogus. There's no such thing as the "best", only what happens to be comparatively better than another option for a specific performance factor. Otherwise, sound signature preference is subjective, and just because 90 out of 100 people say something is the "best" doesn't make it true. Also, spending more money doesn't get you more of anything. A $200 dac does not sound twice as good as a $100 dac. A $1500 headphone does not have 3 times the audio quality compared to a $500 headphone. You'll find (if you continue down this rabbit hole hobby) that the law of diminishing returns starts very early where it comes to audio gear. The major factors I think you should make absolutely essential while you're looking for headphones or IEMs are the following: 1) how comfortable they are to you, as even a headphone you love to listen to you might not wear because it does not fit comfortably; 2) how large or small the headphones are, and which style you prefer; and 3) whether it sounds pleasant to you right out of the box. Give yourself a few hours to acclimate to the new headphone; listen to your various music. If you don't like what you hear after those first few hours, you're better off returning the headphones so you can get your money back, rather than keep listening for days in the hope that you'll eventually like them. Anyway, hope that all helps.
@@NoThemeReviews It does indeed help, thank you for the thorough response! I'm gonna see if I can find some of the models you mentioned around me and see if it's possible to try before I buy. Worst case scenario I go back to my buds lol, which to be honest aren't bad. They're the Samsung Galaxy Buds Pro, not a new model.
Friend, this 560s model can use the pads of any model of the Sennheiser 500 series? I'm looking for the spare part but I can't find it and I don't want to put one that isn't the right one and change your response frequently, thanks
Great video. a question, in your opinion which is better the HIFIMAN he400se or the sennheiser hd 560s? I am not sure which one to choose as I have seen that both are excellent and have a similar price. but I would like your personal opinion on which is better.
Mind if I ask you an off topic question? I'm shopping for a bluetooth headphone DAC to allow me to wirelessly listen to TV through my HD 598 headphones. I really appreciated your honest video on the FiiO BTR5. What current device would you recommend? Assuming the DAC and Amp is an improvement over my Pixel 4a internal DAC and amp, I'd use a USB cable occasionally to this device with my phone. Thanks!
My recommendations for a BT Dac in the same price range are the ES100 and UP4. The ES100 technically can drive the 600, but not well. The UP4 is more powerful and would likely perform better. There’s an alternative product I haven’t tested it. It’s the Qudelix 5k. It has the same power output of the BTR5 but the app of the ES100. It’s gotten lots of praise, but I don’t have personal experience with it. If you want more power than that, I’d suggest something like the Xduoo XD05 or Fiio Q5
@@NoThemeReviews thanks! I actually saw a good review if that one too. The 598s are pretty easy to drive I understand, so I could probably live with one of the chair ones also.
According to my experience and from the comments, I'm not sure what's up with your review. The 560s is extremely good for the price. I cant think of another headphone in this range that is better.
What exactly is your criticism? You happen to think it’s a good headphone, and based on my repeated A/B tests and analysis of Sennheiser’s claims, the 560s is far from the spectacular headphone some people claim. I never make comments about whether I like or dislike a headphone’s sound signature-and I didn’t in regards to the 560s. You may like how it sounds, and I’m not debating that issue. This is precisely why it’s frustrating to talk when you make statements like “I can’t think of another headphone in this price range that is better”. Better in WHAT way? I mean, the x15, x25bt, and MsR7b have more clarity and detail, and better build and accessories. The $40 MA100 has better placement and easily as much soundstage. You guys have got to stop and think whether you’re about to argue about sound preferences. In my opinion, the 560s has some of the harshest sibilance of any headphone I’ve ever heard. But I don’t use that as an excuse to tell people it’s the worst headphone in its price range. So again, what exactly is your criticism other than you and others like the sound signature? Is it that I’m not heaping gushing praise for a product you like? The bottom line is that I have far more experience with gear than the vast majority of people who leave disagreeing comments. They’re free to enjoy whatever they want and I don’t judge them for it. I’d appreciate the same amount of common courtesy, and would prefer people not chastising me for saying things they don’t agree with.
Your review is very interesting, I own the 660s, 6xx, 560s and a few other, i can say from my modest music lover oppinion that each of them excells at something.. they are all great in their own way.. :)
got to say running ifi stack (DAC and can) definitely adds plenty to the 560s experience. Started with just the DAC. Believe the extra addition of the CAN provides less improvement. @@raduardeleanu4800
I've been debating on getting sennheiser headphones mostly because I've been trying to find the right audiophile headphones, and this guide I really liked. I wish the 560 had a more solid build but considering how you were twisting it a decent amount and how most of my headphones, some "high end" nearly broke when I did that much twisting, so in my opinion I find that the build is perfectly fine. And in aesthetics I prefer the 560's looks, when I got my hand on some that my local audio store had I had found the texture to be quite nice. Overall, I personally will get the 560 s, but I think this comparison is handy for those on the fence.
Your comment is 10 months old but trying to find the "right" audiophile headphone is a slippery slope lol. I've spent a lot of money on headphones trying to find the right one but I've liked them all for different reasons. Did you ever purchase one?
I have both 560s and 6xx also. I have to give the edge to 6xx for soundstage & imaging. Both are great headphones, but I find myself using the 560s more often.
Are the 6XX worth the money? From what I see there's barely anyone who doesn't recommend them. And they're like 7 years old so it doesn't look like it's just the hype either.
That depends on the sound you want. They are well built headphones with a warm, vocal-centric sound signature. The bass is fairly neutral, but not particularly detailed. There’s a noticeable sub-bass roll-off. The treble is a tad over neutral but not harsh. But for the clamping force, I think most would agree it’s comfy. If you like to hear vocals in a mix, this is a good headphone for that type of presentation.
True. All are overhyped. But the 560s’ sub-par build and scratchy sibilants, and lack of proper accessories, makes it seem less hype-worthy than the others. Just my opinion.
@@NoThemeReviews I just got my Nighthawk Carbons and I'm in absolute awe. I love them. With XBass on my Zen Can these are absolute basshead cans, but they retain all detail at such volumes that I dare not get them to distort. Still haven't tried the suave pads a fucking snake oil cable company made these what the shit
Looking for an upgrade from my old HD598se, would want something that has better sound staging and imaging. Could anyone advise me a few headphones? Dont have to be the most expensive but im also open to the more expensive ones
Sennheiser or Hifiman x Drop E5XX? 🤔 Cant decide at this point. Some hate the Drop Planars and some love them. The HE 5XX in particular are described as the planar equivalent to the HD6XX. I can only buy one set. 220$ is the max im willing to spend on a headphone.
The 6xx is a pretty versatile headphone. It's not particularly clear or detailed, but it has a fairly neutral sound signature. Have you considered the HD579 or HD569? The DT880 250 ohm, Base Audio G12, and Sivga Phoenix might be worth looking into as well. It's just really tough since you can't hear all of them some place.
@@NoThemeReviews because I feel like I owe you a response: I bough the Hifiman 400se because they were 150$ on Amazon Prime. I never had a planar, they are the cheapest "good" planars on the market and people like them so why not get those I though. No regrets whatsoever they are great. Downsides are the shitty cable (which I replaced with a balanced cable) and quality control that I would describe as a 6 or 7/10. But its tolerable for a cheap-ish headphone and the drivers work perfectly fine so I guess that is how they get the price down. I gave away my K702 since and have been using the 400se because they are an upgrade in every aspect. They are a lot of fun to listen to and play with EQ because they respond well here. Really impressed by them. Maybe I should just save up for a ~500-600$ headphone + a better DAC and skip Sennheiser entirely. But then again the HD600 and HD6xx/650 are still hailed as the golden standard of Headphones and the 6xx is really not that expensive so I guess giving them a go cant be a mistake.
I'm no expert...but to me they sound exceptionally clean and detailed without being fatiguing. Coming from headphones like DT 1990 and HD660s,, really like it.
@@NoThemeReviews I'm no audiophile though. Just a semi pro mixing mastering engineer, who likes to check mixes with 3/ 4 pairs of headphones before delivering to the clients. Don't want to mislead audiophiles in any way. They are much harder to please. To us headphones are just tools. I can use something like a Sony V6 for personal listening pleasure all the time.
You seem to have all the necessary qualifications to be an expert. We audiophiles just kid each other. I played the trumpet in grade school. I and all those around me knew I was no savant, and I have learned to appreciate music differently from someone such as you, who has far more experience in the process of making music.
I agree with your opinion on the sound stage...it’s wider than 600 series but still average at best...my dt880 is still wider sounding.......for bass, it’s not as impressive as what says from sennheiser , but I do think it’s better then hd660s (from memory, owned 660s for a long time) and I don’t know if hd6xx bass is better than both?
they definitely need a tube amp like most 300+ ohm headphones, better amp and tubes increase their performance making them worth a lot more, they love power and I love to wake up headphones with power of tubes its magical experience
@@jonathan4681 It's not a matter of "upgrade". They're very different sounding headphones. I personally prefer the 6xx over the Sundara, but others have the opposite opinion. The Sundara has more clarity, soundstage, and detail. But it also has a bass roll-off and a far less intimate presentation.
Depends on what type of sound signature you want and whether you have an amp/Dac. I don’t think the 560s is worth $200. It also sounds vastly different from the X2. And you have many other options. Any reason you’ve narrowed to these two?
@@user-sw6ht9fm2z I don't believe there's such a thing as "the best" anything. Whatever works for your sound preferences and fits your budget is what you should use. You have lots of options for an amp/dac to pair with the 560s, including the Ikko Zerda, Topping NX4, Hip Dac, Zen Dac, Schiit Modi and Magni, Monolith Liquid Spark, just to name a few.
Hi great informative video, hd560 s price I’d £139 now I got mine cheaper but I have also hd6xx about £180 only to find recently sennheiser doing the hd660s for £259 as now been superseded by s2 version. Regards mark
The 560s doesn’t really need an amp. Its easily driven by most devices. But, I believe most headphones do benefit from a dedicated amplifier. There are plenty of options for all of these headphones and it comes down to your budget and sound signature. The NX4, Hip Dac, Paw S1 can drive them. The Zen Dac, P20, JDS Element, Magni, Liquid Spark can also easily drive the headphones.
@@himanshutiwari90 My personal preference is for the 6xx or 660. The 660 is very similar in sound signature to the 6xx, but is obviously easier to power.
@@himanshutiwari90 While the 560's doesn't necessarily "need" an amp, they definitely do benefit from having one. I got mine and my Schiit stack didn't arrive until about a week later so I used them straight into my motherboard for that time. Once I got my amp and dac, it truly changed any opinion I had formed over the previous week. I've plugged them straight into my Galaxy S21+ and it was pretty much just ok.. I've plugged them straight into my motherboard, an Asrock X570 TaiChi, and again they sounded just ok.. As soon as I plug them into my Magni 3+ and Modi 3+, they really come to life. Not saying you should specifically choose Schiit for your amp or dac, but they most definitely come alive with an amp.
so can you suggest me a alternate which will sound 100 times better then hd560s under200$ and can fill up my music, watching movies and gaming requirement
You want me to recommend a headphone that you’re going to find “100 times better”? I’m not a magician, and you’re asking for me to predict what you’ll end up liking. Exactly how am I supposed to do that? There are many headphones that outperform the 560s for soundstage, clarity, detail, and placement. This includes the Hi-x15, Hi-x25bt, ATH-AD700x, JVC HA-RX900, Sony MA-100, and others.
@@NoThemeReviews lol sorry i dnt mean that, idk why i wrote that, bdw i did refund my hd560s, do you think HiFiMAN Sundara can beat all these headphone even you mention in class of imaging, clarity, soundstage will outclass those headphone by miles
@@Ryzen-gh1en Nope. I don't think the Sundara has better imaging than these. It does a fine job, but it's not a significant deviation. The Sundara does have wider soundstage than the ones I mentioned, but again, not significantly. These all sound different, and you won't know what works for you until you hear them.
Lol. It’s a bit tricky. I’ve had people tell me they hear over 20 footsteps in the first 60 seconds, using headphones like the X2...aaaand that’s a false positive. There aren’t that many in the first minute. Anyway, the first footstep is at 11 seconds in the right earcup, followed by two successive steps in the left a few seconds later. Thereafter, there are sporadic steps layered between the other details.
@@NoThemeReviews I was easily able to hear 15 or so footsteps using the $27 Blon BL 01 iem paired with apple dongle dac. However I could only get around 6 to 8 footsteps on my $90 599se using the same apple dongle with the “lossy” TH-cam audio. I am yet to try it with my 660s using the ifi zen dac v2. But considering that I need to spend upwards of $1000 on an overear headphone to hear around the same amount of footsteps as can be heard on a sub $30 iem blows my mind. This is my first and only iem to date. Wondering if I should rather spend on iems as headphones 20 times the price ($500 660s) can’t match the “level of detail” of my Blons
@@apoorvasharma7 that’s a decision nobody can make for you. If you’re happy with the Blon, and can’t think of a reason to use a headphone instead, then stay with what you have.
@@NoThemeReviews I was just wondering if (relatively cheaper ) iems can get me music that’s on the level of crazy expensive headphones. For now, all I can say is, to me, headphones sound “fuller and more satisfying “ than iems. For the time being I’m just stopping with my current purchases for a few years as I’ve got no money left. When I got the 660s I was disappointed initially as I thought that it is essentially a flatter 599 with nothing extraordinary. Still, I gave it a fortnight of exclusive listening and now any headphone below the level of 660s sounds unfulfilling to me and the 599 feels tinny and muddy - unlistenable after a couple of songs. I can only go above from the 660s (did not get the “technically superior” sundara because it’s not as good as 660s for vocal songs which make 99% of my playlist) I wanted to try the Ananda, but then people who have the Ananda say that the Arya is a substantial upgrade overall for its “musicality”, while some say the Focal MG is the benchmark for “detail retrieval” and I should save up more. It’s a rabbit hole and a very expensive one.
Cool Video. Please review the HD58X over the 6XX. I have owned the 58X for a while and am looking for an upgrade or something next to it. Ordered Sundaras, M1070 and E-MU Teak. The M1070 are the first and only that arrived yet, and i do like the sound signature in some songs but in general i like the neutrality (as opposed to the rather dark tone of the M1070) more on the HD58X. They just sound natural with everything. Got the M1070 pretty cheap at 285€ but they are going back anyway. They wouldnt, if those otheres which are on the way didnt exist. The M1070 got better bass, but thats what the E-MU Teak will be for. I wanted a more detailed and revealing natural HD58X, maybe the Sundaras will fill that gap.
Near the end of DMS new Ollo S4x review he compares the HD560s favorably to the Ollo, saying it has a very similar sound signature and better comfort for half the price. I would be interested in your comparison of these 2.
The two have vastly different sound signatures. The OLLO has a neutral bass presentation-unlike the 560’s sub-bass roll off. The OLLO also doesn’t have nearly the sibilance spike of the 560. The OLLO has natural, slower decay than the 560. And, to top it all off, the OLLO has an overall fuller sound unlike the 560’s rather thin, overly airy signature. He should have done a real comparison if he’s going to make claims like that. I guess what it comes down to is this: if you want a neutral-ish sound, then the 560 will suffice. But so would a $70 HR5. I have noticed that DMS prefers a more treble-energetic sound signature, and I wonder if he like the 560 because of its airier, peaky sound. There’s nothing wrong with that, but if this is the case, then it would put his comments into context.
@@NoThemeReviews Doesn't faster decay usually means more accurate sound: driver is able to respond faster therefore it's just more "truth" to the signals send from source to the headphone ?
@@tollph3314 No, that's not true. Faster just means faster, not more accurate. If quick transience was a hallmark of "truth" then everyone would be mixing and mastering with planar headphones--and nobody outside of Audeze's marketing bubble does that. Faster transience is one way of delivering clarity in bass and mids--faster decay results in less melding with mids, which leads to additional clarity. But clarity does not mean you get more details or accurate reproduction. Moreover, no matter which headphone you use, they receive the same signal from your source. Just because one headphone has faster transience doesn't mean the signal changes. Instead, the headphone's tuning dictates how that source signal is perceived.
@@NoThemeReviews "Faster transience is one way of delivering clarity in bass and mids--faster decay results in less melding with mids, which leads to additional clarity. But clarity does not mean you get more details or accurate reproduction." What ? Your argument doesn't even make sense. Less melding ,lower distortion, faster decay=faster voice call moving driver which is reproducing the sound automatically means better detail retrieval therefore more resolution. How can u tune decay of headphone otherwise ?
@tollph3 You're making an incomplete statement, and promoting a generalization that is not supported by facts. Clearer separation among the frequency range is not the same as greater detail retrieval. They may be related, but are not equivalent, nor necessarily cause and effect. There are plenty of headphones that sound "clear" but have average detail retrieval. Look at the HD560s; its detail is average at best, and often below-average. The DT1990 is a fairly clear headphone, with some distortion at high volumes in deep sub-bass, but retains an average to above-average amount of detail--and nothing that isn't replicated by other headphones. Every single Audeze headphone--which touts its transience and detail--has no better than average detail retrieval; and this includes the LCD1, LCD2, LCD2C, LCD2 Classic, LCD3, and LCD4Z...and don't even get me started on the Mobius. Or how about the Monolith M1060, 1060C, 1070, and 1570--all of which have planar drivers with fast transience, yet have comparable detail retrieval as the Audeze counterparts--that is, average. Then look at the Ollo S4, S4R, and S4X, none of which have transience and decay as fast as the planar options, or even some other dynamics, yet provide as much detail as Monolith, Audeze, and Sennheiser's headphones. There is no doubt that in some respects the HD560s is CLEARER than the 4X and other options. But that clarity does NOT translate to greater detail being represented. You can review the Austrian Audio Hi-X55 as the opposite. It has an exemplary amount of clarity and superb detail--some of the best of any headphone I've heard. Yet, it does not provide accurate reproduction of the sound. Your argument falls apart with headphones like this--fast transience, yes, and great detail...but not "truthful" sound. You're trying to argue that just because a headphone's transience is fast, that results in "more truth to the signal"--a statement that is both utterly confusing and reliant upon an incomplete grasp of headphone tuning. It appears to me that you're making a generalized comment based upon a correlation. Correlations are not cause and effect. Finally, as I've said before, fast transience has nothing to do with the "truth" of a signal. Fast transience does not mean you hear the instruments or vocals more "accurately" than a headphone with slower transience. Whoever gave you such impressions is making misstatements. Instead of arguing with me, you should do a basic amount of research on headphone tuning, transience, and frequency reproduction. Stay out of the forums since people there usually have nothing but personal opinions without sufficient experience.
Unfortunately here in the UK the 6XX is far out of my budget and the 600/650 is over £100 more than the 560s, which I can get for £140. I can however get the DT 990 pros for £108 and the DT 880 editions for £140. Out of interest, which would you choose if you had a budget of basically £140 ($195). For refrence, I'd be using them to game and listen to music, preffered genres are 60s-80s rock/pop. I don't have an amp, and getting one would probably cost another £100 at least. Thank you for your help!
The 990 has a harsher sound than the 880, particularly in treble and vocal rendition. Without an amp you're limited in options. Depending on your source device (phone or computer headphone jack), even the 560s might be an unsuitable pairing. The 880 and 990 only come in 250 ohm and 600 ohm, as far as I'm aware--and both will require an amp of some sort. If these are your choices, then I think you're probably going to have a tough time with your current setup. You may want to look into the Monoprice HR5, AKG K361/371, OneOdio Studio Headphones, and Marshall Monitor (wired version). All of these have different sound signatures, but all can be easily driven by phones and built-in PC sound cards. And they're all under $200.
@@NoThemeReviews I'd be driving them from my desktop onboard audio, which is apparently rated for 600 ohms (skeptical personally). So driving them shouldn't be an issue on paper, if that helps. Thanks for your input by the way!
Yeah PC audio card specs are spurious at best. If you know the card model I can look it up and maybe provide a clearer answer. Still, with the 600 ohm variants you’ll need an amp that has 100 ohm output impedance. Have you considered a cheap alternative amp/Dac, such as the Douk Audio product I reviewed several weeks ago? I think it’s about $60 and works fine with the 600 ohm 880.
@@NoThemeReviews To be honest I was really hoping to not spend over £140, I was looking at the 250 ohm versions of the Beyers and the 560s is 120 ohms as far as I know. Theoretically, if I were able to drive all of these relatively well, which would you say is the better value? Cheers.
Thanks for all your reviews!!! I’m looking for a headphone for tracking, mixing and mastering, and was almost got the HD6xx yesterday but then I saw your review on the Austrian Audio Hi-X55 and wonder what is your thoughts between this 2 for my need ? I know one is open back and the other is close... Thanks so much 🙏
It really depends on what you want from your headphones. The x55 is a very detailed headphone with exceptional object placement and clarity. It sounds thin, has a rolled-off bass, and is a vastly different sound signature from the 6xx. The 6xx, in comparison, is a bassier, vocal-forward headphone. I think the 6xx has neutral bass, accentuated mids, and a mostly neutral treble. I can't tell you what might be the best setup for you. Maybe the following question will help you decide: Do you want your headphone to give you as much detail as possible while sacrificing accurate sound reproduction, or do you want a natural-sounding headphone that has an average amount of detail?
@@NoThemeReviews Thanks so much for your answer!! It sounds like the HD6xx is the one to get , the only thing I don’t like about open headphone is that you can’t really work outside the house with them... I do have now the DT770 Pro , but they are not recommended for mixing and mastering.. I will probably get the HD6xx , but I wish to find a closed headphone that are made for tracking, mixing & mastering and then I will use only one headphone instead of 2. Thanks 🙏
@@danterikxx They share a similar sound signature, but the 579 is a bit clearer and has slightly greater sub-bass presence, I think. I've only listened to them for a few hours, back to back, so I'm not confident in a conclusion yet. The vastly different impedances make volume-matching a bit of a grief, and minor differences could be attributed to improperly matching volume. So...I need more time.
I’ve been looking into getting a Rebel Amp, but I’m a little worried on it powering some of my higher impedance headphones. How’s it do with the 6XX, and have you tried it with anything harder to drive than the 6XX?
@@FruggieMorton Never had a problem with it powering anything I have. 6XX and my 1990s don't even get to 12 o'clock on high gain. They have a lot more headroom to go.
The cable is trash, you have to get the HD 400 Pro instead if you actually want decent stock cables, they aren’t microphonic or janky and more pliable. I gather they are same headphone but come with two better quality cables. The HD 400 Pro sound better than I recall the HD 560 S ever sounding but have a different system so synergy likely at play. There are some decently priced balanced cables for the headphone too.
Honestly, it’s an unpopular opinion but I tried the HD560s and they’re my least favorite Sennheiser headphones. I even chose the HD599SE and PC38X over them. I guess I don’t like the flat neutral sound signature, I imagine an audiophile would love them but I like more fun when listening to music.
I don’t think your opinion is unpopular. It’s simply that Sennheiser sent a ton of free headphones to Vine accounts who flooded positive reviews, and there are audiophiles who have little experience with other headphones to know any better. The 560s is by no means flat or neutral.
@@NoThemeReviewsWell, to my ears I find them flat in comparison to the other open-baxk headphones that I tried, like the HD599, Pc38x, X2HR and SHP9600.
@@NoThemeReviews did you measure them? Many have and the results are clear. They are very flat. Which is exactly what audio technicians are looking for. They are a great studio headphone. I wouldn't buy them for casual listening though.
I like this channel, but like all subjective reviews, that's all they are. Human ears are poor measurement instruments, unreliable, subject to drift, bias and a high degree of uncertainty. If you are, searching for a more scientific objective starting point, then there are better sources. It's possibly more useful to see what data is available on phones you like personally, and then use that as a guide for other equipment. Arguing what is good, bad, best, worst etc is almost pointless without some quantitative data on which you can make a consistent and repeatable comparison.
@@NoThemeReviews Yes absolutely, and that's already been done, it's the basis of the Harman Curve. It's as scientific an approach as you could probably take given the large number of variables to consider, not least all of the psychological effects at play. So we have the ideal tonal response curve that fits the majority of preferences (unless you're one of the few in the 3 sigma groups of course, but then there's Grado....) It's straightforward to then measure the review device against those curves, so it gives a reference point from which any subjective impressions can be made. I love listning to my Grados, but I'm pretty sure (from measurement data) that they are not neutral, they have a big upper mid hump etc etc, but I still enjoy them; but I wouldn't try to tell anyone they are better or worse based on my listening experience. I would advise that they have a poor FR adherence to neutral, because I can show the quantitative data to do that. In other words, they measure poorly, but I love them. You might do too, or you might hate them! The problem wish subjective only is it works both ways - the detractors or the myth busters are just as unhelpful as the hyperbole riddled fanbois
I should add that personally I like the 560s. Very bright, way more than any Grado I've got; though not harsh or sibilant; good detail retrieval, and a well controlled bass that's not too overblown. Low distortion, so they EQ easily, which is really important. It's time we binned the whole obsession with bit perfect to the bin, EQ is almost necessary on domestic headphones.
What's funny is that DMS had a video talking about how he's had the HD650 or HD6xx for 10 years and always has had a pair and that he listens to them every day.
@@NoThemeReviews being clear,I already had 560s in my hands in a shop,and it didn’t feel like a cheap plastic After Watching to some audio experts,as I heard - they confirmed my opinion
I have both, and I enjoy them equally for different reasons. I don't feel that the 6xx is overhyped though. After all, it's based on a classic that's been around forever. I think the hype comes from the drastic reduction in price compared the the original. I think it you've never head an orthodynamic, the 4xx is a good place to start.
Here is what I don't understand, and I guess that's why there are no likes. A) The 560S has a MUCH bigger soundstage and imaging, so it leans more into the allround/gaming use. B) The 6xx is literally TWICE the price (in the EU even 3 times)! So what qualifies them to be compared? They are in different price brackets as well as different customer bases.
Price has absolutely nothing to do with sound quality. I have no idea why you think these headphones are for “different customer bases”. Where are you getting that idea? I’m not stopping you from buying or enjoying this headphone. BTW, you can like or dislike the video to your hearts content. YT terminated public the dislike counter. You might want to consider that this counter is useless as it gives you no clue why anyone voted either way.
I've tried the hd560s and I have been really impressed by it. I do think the bass on the hd560s is more extended than the hd650. But because the hd650 has more emphasis in the 100 - 300Hz range, it does create an impression that it has more bass than the 560s, but IMO, I think the hd560s bass is not rolled off especially for an open back dynamic driver headphone. So, I do prefer the bass response on the hd560s as compared to the hd6xx series (hd600, hd650 and hd6xx) which has a steep roll off at around the 80hz range. IMO, I think the hd560s has better technical performance than the hd650, but I do concede that the hd650 does sound more musical.
Have you heard the 600?
@@jonathan4681 Yes, I own the HD600
@@TheWarrenng Do you think is worth returning my hd 560s for the 600? Did you like the 600 compare to the 6xx and the 560s?
@@jonathan4681 Ideally, owning both would be the best. But the HD600 offers a smoother sound overall and a sharper roll off in the sub bass region and a smaller sound stage as compared to the 560s
@@TheWarrenng crazy, I just got the sennheiser hd 600 and I think the 560s sounds way better. I guess this hobby is very subjective of what is better. The bass on the hd 600 sounds anmic compare to the 560s and the treble is smother but overall it sounds very boring, I feel the hd 560s sounds very musically(imo). I don't know if it's the soundstage, bass, or treble but it just sounds better. Even my etymotic 2xr sou ds better than the hd 600, I have a question do you think an amp makes a difference in making a headphone sound better or is all palcebo?
The 560 s has been my go-to for gaming and movies (even over the pc38x). Excellent imaging and staging with super clear detail. The clean bass also mitigates the disorientation gamers may experience when sound effects like explosions occur. It's amazing for certain songs, particularly for live music where you can pick out the different instruments and isolated details. They make other songs sound very plain, so your mileage will vary as far as musical enjoyment. Sibilance is definitely an issue, I mainly notice it in TH-cam videos recorded with cheaper mics and a handful of songs.
This is a fair take, if a bit reactionary (responding to the hype). I'd use the 6xx for music and the 560 for pretty much everything else.
Hey. What dac/amp do you use when gaming on the 560s
@@iurivp I'm currently using the Hel 2, but before it arrived I was using a 20 dollar FiiO headphone amp, and it drove the 560s fine. It needs less power than the 58x and 6xx but more than a pc38x
im trying to find the best gaming/music headset. looks like the 560 is the winner, as far as Im aware.
@@davidjd123 It depends on your budget/preferences/source equipment
@@MichelandOi The beyer is really good yeah :)
Probably the only real concurrent of the hd 560s for less money
Here the Tygr300R is at 139€ and the hd560S is at 149€
The Tygr300r offer more bass and clear highs, while the senn's are more focus on neutral experience
Worth noting that the 6X0 range is quite uncomfortable for large ears. I find myself wearing my 599’s with EQ more than my 600’s simply because of comfort (6X0’s ears touch the drivers)
560s is a great compliment to my 6xx. 560s is a little spicy in the treble but its tonally the most neutral hp i have heard.
Strange coincidence is that all the negative reviews comes from people who love the myth of the 6Xx, headphones technically obsolete, and they sound almost angry at whatever is considered, with reason, better. Maybe because they spent other thousands buying all the possible amplifiers to make those sounding decently and they don't accept the fact that cheaper headphones sounds better with almost everything? The other reason could be the fact that it is a common trend to do a video in TH-cam saying the opposite of what the 90% of the other reviewers say to look more expert and catch views. The third reason could be the anger in not receiving free headphones to test from the vendors like more popular reviewers do.
Interesting review. I still think you're too harsh regarding Sennheiser's claims. Even accepting your criticism it seems the basic characteristics are there (flatness, bass extension, soundstage) and are backd up by various mesurements and other reviewers. Disclaimer: I don't own a 560S, I do own the 598 and 6XX.
I appreciate your feedback, but I completely disagree with your conclusion that the "basic characteristics are there." The headphone is not flat; saying that the bass is "extended" is vague, and only implies that you can hear sub-bass--which is true, but that sub-bass is not accurately depicted; and the soundstage is a far cry from "wide" as other reviewers have claimed--rather, it is above-average.
Measurements are only a hint of the actual sound signature. They are not a true indicator of performance, and are often overused as support for somebody's personal preference. As for what other reviewers say--I think you should judge them with as much skepticism as you do me. Their utter failure to describe their methodology, typical vague descriptions of performance, heavy reliance on hyperbole, and failure to conduct meaningful A/B tests should warrant critical examination of their opinions. Moreover, as I said in this video, actual customers are not having the same experience as some of the reviewers. Either those customers got faulty headphones, or the reviewers were being less than honest about the product. I don't think it's fair for you to cherry-pick only the positive feedback from reviewers while not mentioning the negative experiences as well.
Finally, I want to address your position that I'm being too harsh with Sennheiser. No, I am not. I find it strange how some people think Sennheiser's blatantly contradictory, inflated, and specific promises should be excused. I have no doubt at all that were you looking to buy a TV, car, house, or any other object, you'd want to get what you were specifically promised. It is rather self-serving to turn the other cheek with audio manufacturers (especially the ones you like) while demanding strict performance from other types of manufacturers. The same rule must apply to everyone.
@@NoThemeReviews soundstage depends on your individual ear shape and head shape and many other factors. Do not expect everyone to perceive sound the same way you dp
@@albertweedsteinthethuggeni7797 I don't expect people to hear what I hear, or that I will hear what they hear. But headphones designed by competent engineers are made for the average person, with physical variations taken into account. I agree with you completely that we don't experience the exact same sounds or music. But are you suggesting that physiological differences in ear shape, height, and head size would suddenly render a headphone's response dramatically differently from one person to the next? Moreover, would you agree that a person's prior experience has a significant influence in what they perceive? For example, if someone has listened to only closed-back headphones, then listening to the 560s might be a revelation and they would say that the soundstage is wide. To them, that is entirely true. But in the spectrum of headphones--in comparisons--that perception gets tempered. Or do you disagree?
Yes, the physiological differences makes exactly that difference. The Wavelength in the highs at 10k are around 3,4 cm. So we are talking about wavelengths which can match under the headphone and hit different parts of the ear. If a wavelength hits an object with the same or larger diameter it can't move around, if the wavelength is longer than the objects diameter it can travel around that object. Ever compared the headphone measurements of different reviews? You will find very big differences. You won't find nearly that large differences on different speaker measurements, the should look nearly same (if windowed to exclude the room influence or made free air) and you can be sure all the rigs used for HP measurements are calibrated, so what do you think is causing the big differences? It must be the combination of physical shape and sitting..
I got the 560S recently and really like them AFTER Eq is applied (listening via FiiO M11). I couldn't use them out of the box without EQ, however the soundstage and imaging is impressive so worth some tweaking (anywhere between 4 and 5 kHz down by up to 4db depending on the track). I really wish I had the opportunity to compare with the 6XX as a friend has them but won't come out with Covid around. I listen to classical and I feel they are highly detailed, woodwind and voices are great in particular, but they are certainly not neutral. My alternative at this price (£160) for an open pair is something like Philips Fidelio X2 but there seemed too many scare stories about issues with declining quality control and channel mismatch there.
I just got a m11 ultra plus ess when my sony nw-a55 crapped out and I'm getting these headphones sent to me this week can you share your settings with me for the eq thanks
Hi, same question as DG, could you kindly share your settings?
@Alanjb93 honestly I haven't had to mess too much with it . Sounds great with my hd 560s .
@@DG-lh6vc to be honest I can see your point. They are inherently a bit airy that's all so a bit of a low boost and sometimes 4khz cut comes in handy, depending on the track. I did eventually compare with 660 and the Ss hold their own with the lovely wide soundstage. A very different signature. I dont think there is a 'better'.
Have both. Really happy with HD6xx picked up as new under $130. Find it hard going back to the HD560s now. HD6xx just feel like easier listening after the 560s.
I managed to snag the HD6xx for black friday and the new account promo for $190. I think that's a steal
Always wait for the sales on drop, they always cut prices by a lot like the Elex going for 450 on black Friday
@@ariyune7007 yep! The normal price of the 6xx is now $220 so i saved $30, and its cheaper than the current 560s.
@@ariyune7007 It was actually $550 for BF.
I went from an X2 to a 560s and the clarity difference was insanely noticeable. After two years of using a 560s i got a 6xx and going back to the 560s really shows how different the headphones are especially the treble and sibilance that I'm sensitive to. I'm sticking to the 6xx, easier to listen to, better for music overall, bit worse for gaming sure, but the goosebumps I get in music from the 6xx is worth that tradeoff.
I appreciate your very personal and straightforward opinion, whether the result is different or identical to everybody else.
Your reviewing progress is pretty detailed. Been watching you since your NDH-20 video
you can use HD 560s with balanced cable. they have trrs connection on headphones side as in Fostex T60rp
Im watching/listening this on my new hd560s just to confirm whether Ive made the right decision sending DT990 Pro back and getting hd560s.
HD560s great. Using with an iFi DAC and CAN. Originally just running DAC and improvement in sound was like light and day.
Eventually I settled.Ended up with HD600s.After 560s tried 600 and 650s.found 650s too muddy with its smoothness more bassy sound and lacking details/vocals that 600 does way better.Finally found perfect headphones(hd600)and use it with Zen Can with Xbass boost .Excellent combination.
Very 'audiophilish' in the sound part of the review. What equipment you use is irrelevant if don't level match when comparing headphones. No actual discussion of measurements or even discussion of eq (which you're RME has the ability to do). The 6xx rolls off bass more, but the midbass is fatter (aka, less accurate).
No I don’t discuss measurements. I don’t give a rats ass about how headphones measure. Nor do I care about EQ. It’s amusing you think talking about the sound is “audiophilish”. Yeah. That’s what this hobby is b
@@NoThemeReviews Too subjective, IMO. Data gives viewers perspective. HRTF alone means subjective reviews of headphones are practically worthless because individual likes or dislikes likely won't jibe with others.
Your review style isn't bad, however, it's simply not useful to me.
Why you have never reviewed 660s? Just curious cause it's one of the best I have ever used
its not best with neutral dac actually, so fit most people dacs
I just love these background music.
Please compare 6xx and R70x 😌or at least can you give me some details in differences between 'em?
Man, I love my Sennheiser HD560S, , I´m more an iem user, I have a bunch of them but nowdays I´m more focused on Headphones, so one particular brand caught me (AKG K702) and I'm undecided whether to buy it or not, if there's something better for the price, remembering that when it comes to headphones, my experience is more limited, compared to IEMs, which I've already tested almost everything., another one I'm interested in is the HD600 but the price is already higher, what do you advise me? Or maybe buy a desktop dac/amp and try to be happy with my HD560S, I have the Fiio BTR5 and Fiio BTR7, they´re good for the HD560S but they´re more for portability use.
edit: The HD560S came with another cable now, the same you get with the HD599SE, wich is better.
I just got my hd560s after returning dt770 pros (found the high end to hurt and overall just didnt sound great). Also only paid 150 for the 560s. wow the hd560s sound SO much better. Also the headphone cable is literally 0 problem???? it even comes with its own cable tie so u can bunch it up to make it as long as you want. And with all the extra length u can really sit wherever you want. I think the plastic feels fine personally, and the clamping softens after a week. Also for my ears has plently of bass and sounds very detailed.
I also have the dt 770 they soynd horrible
I only use them for movies now and occasionally gaming
Can't easily get the 6XX outside of the US, certainly not without substantially increasing the price. I'll probably get a pair of Hifiman Sundara when I next upgrade.
@@konna200 Yeah, I'm in the EU. Drop tested this about 18 months ago in two batches, one included the 6XX, but I guess there wasn't enough interest.
Drop isn’t interested in actually growing its customer base. They’ve found they can milk the ones they currently have with minimal effort.
@@konna200 It's an ouroboros effect. Drop has a fanatical base that will easily fall into the hype trap; it has a reliable hype reviewer who never says anything remotely critical of the products or the company; and it uses unethical practices to sell its products--blatantly misleading marketing, coupled with false warnings or suggestions that a product is only a limited run, etc. This cycle is so damn obvious, but people don't care.
It is quite strange how readily people are willing to throw money at audiophile BS. Give these same people the wrong McDonald's order, and they'd storm the place and demand a refund.
Sennheiser HD 560s or Sivga SV021 Robin?
Ignoring their difference in open/closed back and sound signature, which one would you recommend?
Robin
Although this video is 2 years old, I have a feeling that your impressions of the 660s is different than that of the reviewers who praised the 560s but were less enthusiastic about the 660s. Although I don't think the 660s is a huge step up from the 600/6xxx/650, I had a hard time denying the technical superiority of the 660s to the others. One of the reasons I've used it daily for the past 5 years.
Have you tried the New light with the shp9500 ? I did the test many times and manage to hear 22 footsteps in the first 60 seconds
22??? Really? I gotta try that myself. Thanks
I listened to the lossy TH-cam audio on my $27 Blon BL01 IEMs.
Could listen anywhere between 15 to 20 steps depending on background fan noise in the room and loudness levels.
Played on my iPhone mini with the apple dac dongle.
Who do I need $1000+ Focal to listen to even lesser info?
Going to try it with my 599 with the same dongle and iPhone.
Then will try it on my 660s (and ifi zen dac v2 coupled with macbook air)
I feel like you went out of your way to be negative about the 560s from the start. Even when you had something nice to say about them it was always with the caveat that it didn't make that big of a difference. I just bought the HD 490 Pro which is basically the same thing as the 560s and the one word I can come up with for them is "clarity". Everything just sounds clearer than the HD 6XX. In addition to the spaciousness and improved bass response (yes it's much better than the 6XX). I enjoy both for different reasons but the only thing I dislike about these are the cheaper build. I even find them slightly more comfortable than the 6XX. Different strokes but they're a nice pair of cans.
No I didn’t go out of my way. I am as critical with many other brands and products, and I have a consistent history with not putting up with sub-par gear that is shown off as something special. You’re welcome to enjoy whatever you like, but I certainly don’t have to agree.
Hi, I recently fitted to custom Cans bass mod, and does inproves the bass at bottom end on the 6xx, I find the 560 is neutral and use it on my Cambridge Audio Sonata system ,where as the 6xx I use on my Rotel A11 set up, yes the cable is I bit rubbery and tangles , because 560 has a 4 pin socket you get matching plug to a balanced or 4.4mm pentagon cable to your dac. . Regards mark
would u say the 560s is better than the 6xx for gaming
No, I don't think I would say it's better. If you want more treble emphasis and clarity, then the 560s may suit your gaming more than the 6xx.
@Kai tygr 300r is better than he560s, according to fresh reviews…for gaming
They look like 660s but children´s toy version :) But how you describe the sound it reminds my 660s... My fav in 5xx line is 558,595 and 599.
Thank you for the very detailed video, unfortunately, a lot went over my head as I'm not really an audiophile in the slightest. I'm considering getting the 6XX as a lot have described it as one of the best headphones relative to its price. However, one thing that has me on the fence is the bass.
Would you recommend them to someone who mostly listens to rock, blues, and metal? What I care about mostly is at least being able to hear the bass guitar and, in general, just hear the different instruments with clarity. Would someone using something very basic like Samsung's buds complain about the lack of bass on the 6XX?
Any insight is greatly appreciated!
Depending on which Samsung buds you're referring to, either you'd think that the 6xx has similar bass, or less bass. The 6xx is a very good headphone because it has a reasonably neutral sound signature. It is not the clearest, most detailed, and does not have a particularly wide soundstage. You can hear various instruments fairly well, assuming the mix allows for that to begin with.
There are a multitude of headphones around and below $200 that do equally as well as the 6xx in some respects, or much better. If you want absolute clarity and detail, then you should look at the Austrian Audio Hi-x15 and x25; but you won't get a bass emphasis with them. The Rode NTH100 is also a fantastic option, and performs similar to the 6xx, but at a cheaper price (and it also has much better build quality). The OneOdio Monitor 80 is also an excellent headphone for $100, and will have a bit more bass than the 6xx. The Philips X2HR and SHP 9500 are both comparable alternatives to the 6xx, but cheaper.
Take your time going through your options. Audiophiles like to pretend they know the holy grail headphone, IEM, amp, or Dac---but it's all bogus. There's no such thing as the "best", only what happens to be comparatively better than another option for a specific performance factor. Otherwise, sound signature preference is subjective, and just because 90 out of 100 people say something is the "best" doesn't make it true.
Also, spending more money doesn't get you more of anything. A $200 dac does not sound twice as good as a $100 dac. A $1500 headphone does not have 3 times the audio quality compared to a $500 headphone. You'll find (if you continue down this rabbit hole hobby) that the law of diminishing returns starts very early where it comes to audio gear.
The major factors I think you should make absolutely essential while you're looking for headphones or IEMs are the following: 1) how comfortable they are to you, as even a headphone you love to listen to you might not wear because it does not fit comfortably; 2) how large or small the headphones are, and which style you prefer; and 3) whether it sounds pleasant to you right out of the box.
Give yourself a few hours to acclimate to the new headphone; listen to your various music. If you don't like what you hear after those first few hours, you're better off returning the headphones so you can get your money back, rather than keep listening for days in the hope that you'll eventually like them.
Anyway, hope that all helps.
@@NoThemeReviews It does indeed help, thank you for the thorough response!
I'm gonna see if I can find some of the models you mentioned around me and see if it's possible to try before I buy.
Worst case scenario I go back to my buds lol, which to be honest aren't bad. They're the Samsung Galaxy Buds Pro, not a new model.
Friend, this 560s model can use the pads of any model of the Sennheiser 500 series? I'm looking for the spare part but I can't find it and I don't want to put one that isn't the right one and change your response frequently, thanks
Great video.
a question, in your opinion which is better the HIFIMAN he400se or the sennheiser hd 560s? I am not sure which one to choose as I have seen that both are excellent and have a similar price. but I would like your personal opinion on which is better.
I don’t have the 400se so I can’t provide any comparison
you just made it harder to choose a headphone
Mind if I ask you an off topic question?
I'm shopping for a bluetooth headphone DAC to allow me to wirelessly listen to TV through my HD 598 headphones. I really appreciated your honest video on the FiiO BTR5. What current device would you recommend? Assuming the DAC and Amp is an improvement over my Pixel 4a internal DAC and amp, I'd use a USB cable occasionally to this device with my phone.
Thanks!
My recommendations for a BT Dac in the same price range are the ES100 and UP4. The ES100 technically can drive the 600, but not well. The UP4 is more powerful and would likely perform better. There’s an alternative product I haven’t tested it. It’s the Qudelix 5k. It has the same power output of the BTR5 but the app of the ES100. It’s gotten lots of praise, but I don’t have personal experience with it. If you want more power than that, I’d suggest something like the Xduoo XD05 or Fiio Q5
@@NoThemeReviews thanks! I actually saw a good review if that one too. The 598s are pretty easy to drive I understand, so I could probably live with one of the chair ones also.
According to my experience and from the comments, I'm not sure what's up with your review. The 560s is extremely good for the price. I cant think of another headphone in this range that is better.
What exactly is your criticism? You happen to think it’s a good headphone, and based on my repeated A/B tests and analysis of Sennheiser’s claims, the 560s is far from the spectacular headphone some people claim. I never make comments about whether I like or dislike a headphone’s sound signature-and I didn’t in regards to the 560s. You may like how it sounds, and I’m not debating that issue. This is precisely why it’s frustrating to talk when you make statements like “I can’t think of another headphone in this price range that is better”. Better in WHAT way? I mean, the x15, x25bt, and MsR7b have more clarity and detail, and better build and accessories. The $40 MA100 has better placement and easily as much soundstage.
You guys have got to stop and think whether you’re about to argue about sound preferences. In my opinion, the 560s has some of the harshest sibilance of any headphone I’ve ever heard. But I don’t use that as an excuse to tell people it’s the worst headphone in its price range.
So again, what exactly is your criticism other than you and others like the sound signature? Is it that I’m not heaping gushing praise for a product you like? The bottom line is that I have far more experience with gear than the vast majority of people who leave disagreeing comments. They’re free to enjoy whatever they want and I don’t judge them for it. I’d appreciate the same amount of common courtesy, and would prefer people not chastising me for saying things they don’t agree with.
Correction: 560S’s port is balanced out of factory, no need to mod.
Your review is very interesting, I own the 660s, 6xx, 560s and a few other, i can say from my modest music lover oppinion that each of them excells at something.. they are all great in their own way.. :)
Out of all the headphones I've purchased I enjoy the Sennheiser hd58x the most. I don't think you could go wrong with any Sennheiser headphones tho
Between 6xx and 560s what would you reccomend to a normal/average hearing experience (gaming, music, movies) as an all rounder?
@@rvrocelot I personaly preffer 560s, and you don`t need a power amp to run them..
got to say running ifi stack (DAC and can) definitely adds plenty to the 560s experience. Started with just the DAC. Believe the extra addition of the CAN provides less improvement. @@raduardeleanu4800
I've been debating on getting sennheiser headphones mostly because I've been trying to find the right audiophile headphones, and this guide I really liked. I wish the 560 had a more solid build but considering how you were twisting it a decent amount and how most of my headphones, some "high end" nearly broke when I did that much twisting, so in my opinion I find that the build is perfectly fine. And in aesthetics I prefer the 560's looks, when I got my hand on some that my local audio store had I had found the texture to be quite nice. Overall, I personally will get the 560 s, but I think this comparison is handy for those on the fence.
Your comment is 10 months old but trying to find the "right" audiophile headphone is a slippery slope lol. I've spent a lot of money on headphones trying to find the right one but I've liked them all for different reasons. Did you ever purchase one?
@bigyounk28 yeah I settled on the 560s after trying them, they sound enjoyable to me with the lower bass levels
Wow man, you are my new favorite reviewer. I have both the 560S and 6XX, and you described them exactly how I hear them!
so you recommend 6xx more ?
what equipment do you use to amplify?
I have both 560s and 6xx also. I have to give the edge to 6xx for soundstage & imaging. Both are great headphones, but I find myself using the 560s more often.
they say (apparently it's legit info) HD560s = HD400 Pro which is on the plus side and in favor of 560.
560s looks identical to the hd559 that I paid 25 bux for lmao
Do you need this if you have a Stax L300, AT R70X and Hifiman Sundara?
Need? No. Nobody needs the 560s.
Audio Technica Ath-m50x or Sennheiser HD560s/HD6xx ?
Don’t get the m50s unless you want to drown your ears in “mud”. I got the 560s and they’re great.
Your reviews are just so damn good.
Are the 6XX worth the money? From what I see there's barely anyone who doesn't recommend them. And they're like 7 years old so it doesn't look like it's just the hype either.
That depends on the sound you want. They are well built headphones with a warm, vocal-centric sound signature. The bass is fairly neutral, but not particularly detailed. There’s a noticeable sub-bass roll-off. The treble is a tad over neutral but not harsh. But for the clamping force, I think most would agree it’s comfy. If you like to hear vocals in a mix, this is a good headphone for that type of presentation.
What do u recommend for analytical purpose open back?
Hi-x65
hello, great review. you have to bring the review of the topping a90 and a50 to the channel, it would be excellent. thank you and continued good work
Yeah, I contacted Apos about the A90. They're a little busy this month with fulfilling orders, so our review cycle is a bit delayed.
Had a feeling the 560s was overhyped. Thank you for the breakdown
They're no more overhyped than the 6XX/650
they both are overhyped.
True. All are overhyped. But the 560s’ sub-par build and scratchy sibilants, and lack of proper accessories, makes it seem less hype-worthy than the others. Just my opinion.
@@NoThemeReviews I just got my Nighthawk Carbons and I'm in absolute awe. I love them. With XBass on my Zen Can these are absolute basshead cans, but they retain all detail at such volumes that I dare not get them to distort. Still haven't tried the suave pads
a fucking snake oil cable company made these
what the shit
@@NoThemeReviews strange as Andrew,DMS and others have reviewed it to be excellent and a very good frequency response.
Might be your clamping pressure
Watching you twist and play with the headphones was annoying. Audiophiliac likes them, good enough for me.
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Looking for an upgrade from my old HD598se, would want something that has better sound staging and imaging. Could anyone advise me a few headphones? Dont have to be the most expensive but im also open to the more expensive ones
Grab a pair of 2nd hand HD650s or 6xx. You can always flip what you don't prefer and not spend a lot overall.
Sennheiser or Hifiman x Drop E5XX?
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Cant decide at this point. Some hate the Drop Planars and some love them. The HE 5XX in particular are described as the planar equivalent to the HD6XX.
I can only buy one set. 220$ is the max im willing to spend on a headphone.
I’ve never heard the 5xx. I’ve stopped buying Drop products. Are you only deciding between the 6xx and 5xx or are you open to other options?
The 6xx is a pretty versatile headphone. It's not particularly clear or detailed, but it has a fairly neutral sound signature. Have you considered the HD579 or HD569? The DT880 250 ohm, Base Audio G12, and Sivga Phoenix might be worth looking into as well. It's just really tough since you can't hear all of them some place.
@@NoThemeReviews because I feel like I owe you a response:
I bough the Hifiman 400se because they were 150$ on Amazon Prime. I never had a planar, they are the cheapest "good" planars on the market and people like them so why not get those I though. No regrets whatsoever they are great. Downsides are the shitty cable (which I replaced with a balanced cable) and quality control that I would describe as a 6 or 7/10. But its tolerable for a cheap-ish headphone and the drivers work perfectly fine so I guess that is how they get the price down.
I gave away my K702 since and have been using the 400se because they are an upgrade in every aspect. They are a lot of fun to listen to and play with EQ because they respond well here. Really impressed by them. Maybe I should just save up for a ~500-600$ headphone + a better DAC and skip Sennheiser entirely.
But then again the HD600 and HD6xx/650 are still hailed as the golden standard of Headphones and the 6xx is really not that expensive so I guess giving them a go cant be a mistake.
I'm no expert...but to me they sound exceptionally clean and detailed without being fatiguing.
Coming from headphones like DT 1990 and HD660s,, really like it.
I can understand that. Did you find the 1990’s treble harsh?
@@NoThemeReviews Not like the DT990, but may be somewhat little too bright for my taste.
Infact I kind of like the 560s as much as the Focal Clear..
That is high complement indeed! Well, I’m glad you’re enjoying the gear.
@@NoThemeReviews I'm no audiophile though. Just a semi pro mixing mastering engineer, who likes to check mixes with 3/ 4 pairs of headphones before delivering to the clients.
Don't want to mislead audiophiles in any way. They are much harder to please. To us headphones are just tools. I can use something like a Sony V6 for personal listening pleasure all the time.
You seem to have all the necessary qualifications to be an expert. We audiophiles just kid each other. I played the trumpet in grade school. I and all those around me knew I was no savant, and I have learned to appreciate music differently from someone such as you, who has far more experience in the process of making music.
I agree with your opinion on the sound stage...it’s wider than 600 series but still average at best...my dt880 is still wider sounding.......for bass, it’s not as impressive as what says from sennheiser , but I do think it’s better then hd660s (from memory, owned 660s for a long time) and I don’t know if hd6xx bass is better than both?
they definitely need a tube amp like most 300+ ohm headphones, better amp and tubes increase their performance making them worth a lot more, they love power and I love to wake up headphones with power of tubes its magical experience
Do you perfer the 600 or the 6xx
I don’t have the 600.
@@NoThemeReviews is the sundara a upgrade compare to the 6xx?
@@jonathan4681 It's not a matter of "upgrade". They're very different sounding headphones. I personally prefer the 6xx over the Sundara, but others have the opposite opinion. The Sundara has more clarity, soundstage, and detail. But it also has a bass roll-off and a far less intimate presentation.
Well over 10 footsteps on New Light with my Arctis Nova Pro Wireless. I knew these had good details but dang! Not bad for a gaming headset!
xcc has wide ss like widest, but i prefer ie900 tbh
@@iikatinggangsengii2471IE 900 were on sale for $1000 might still be . beast iem.
This or X2hr for a newb looking for first budget/hi-fi open back? Under $200
Depends on what type of sound signature you want and whether you have an amp/Dac. I don’t think the 560s is worth $200. It also sounds vastly different from the X2. And you have many other options. Any reason you’ve narrowed to these two?
@@NoThemeReviews what best amp/dac for this headphone 560s under 200 dallers?
@@user-sw6ht9fm2z I don't believe there's such a thing as "the best" anything. Whatever works for your sound preferences and fits your budget is what you should use. You have lots of options for an amp/dac to pair with the 560s, including the Ikko Zerda, Topping NX4, Hip Dac, Zen Dac, Schiit Modi and Magni, Monolith Liquid Spark, just to name a few.
Hi great informative video, hd560 s price I’d £139 now I got mine cheaper but I have also hd6xx about £180 only to find recently sennheiser doing the hd660s for £259 as now been superseded by s2 version. Regards mark
i have a question , considering i am getting hd560s , hd6xx and hd660s for the same price , and i do have an amp/dac which one should i pick no theme?
The 560s doesn’t really need an amp. Its easily driven by most devices. But, I believe most headphones do benefit from a dedicated amplifier. There are plenty of options for all of these headphones and it comes down to your budget and sound signature. The NX4, Hip Dac, Paw S1 can drive them. The Zen Dac, P20, JDS Element, Magni, Liquid Spark can also easily drive the headphones.
@@NoThemeReviews and which one is your pick out of the 3 ......560 ,6xx and 660?
@@himanshutiwari90 My personal preference is for the 6xx or 660. The 660 is very similar in sound signature to the 6xx, but is obviously easier to power.
@@himanshutiwari90 While the 560's doesn't necessarily "need" an amp, they definitely do benefit from having one. I got mine and my Schiit stack didn't arrive until about a week later so I used them straight into my motherboard for that time. Once I got my amp and dac, it truly changed any opinion I had formed over the previous week. I've plugged them straight into my Galaxy S21+ and it was pretty much just ok.. I've plugged them straight into my motherboard, an Asrock X570 TaiChi, and again they sounded just ok.. As soon as I plug them into my Magni 3+ and Modi 3+, they really come to life. Not saying you should specifically choose Schiit for your amp or dac, but they most definitely come alive with an amp.
@@plaguepartyy Typical placebo. I guess the mind will trick itself into anything.
so can you suggest me a alternate which will sound 100 times better then hd560s under200$ and can fill up my music, watching movies and gaming requirement
You want me to recommend a headphone that you’re going to find “100 times better”? I’m not a magician, and you’re asking for me to predict what you’ll end up liking. Exactly how am I supposed to do that? There are many headphones that outperform the 560s for soundstage, clarity, detail, and placement. This includes the Hi-x15, Hi-x25bt, ATH-AD700x, JVC HA-RX900, Sony MA-100, and others.
@@NoThemeReviews lol sorry i dnt mean that, idk why i wrote that, bdw i did refund my hd560s, do you think HiFiMAN Sundara can beat all these headphone even you mention in class of imaging, clarity, soundstage will outclass those headphone by miles
@@Ryzen-gh1en Nope. I don't think the Sundara has better imaging than these. It does a fine job, but it's not a significant deviation. The Sundara does have wider soundstage than the ones I mentioned, but again, not significantly. These all sound different, and you won't know what works for you until you hear them.
@@NoThemeReviews i see, can you suggest me a better headphone that do all these things you mention better then sundara at 400$ price tag
Buy 2nd hand HD6xx. Picked up pair for under $130 and feel a nice improvement over the 560s
Btw how to count the footsteps in the song new light ?😁I tried I don't know how many how many I really heard
Lol. It’s a bit tricky. I’ve had people tell me they hear over 20 footsteps in the first 60 seconds, using headphones like the X2...aaaand that’s a false positive. There aren’t that many in the first minute. Anyway, the first footstep is at 11 seconds in the right earcup, followed by two successive steps in the left a few seconds later. Thereafter, there are sporadic steps layered between the other details.
@@NoThemeReviews I was easily able to hear 15 or so footsteps using the $27 Blon BL 01 iem paired with apple dongle dac.
However I could only get around 6 to 8 footsteps on my $90 599se using the same apple dongle with the “lossy” TH-cam audio.
I am yet to try it with my 660s using the ifi zen dac v2.
But considering that I need to spend upwards of $1000 on an overear headphone to hear around the same amount of footsteps as can be heard on a sub $30 iem blows my mind.
This is my first and only iem to date. Wondering if I should rather spend on iems as headphones 20 times the price ($500 660s) can’t match the “level of detail” of my Blons
@@apoorvasharma7 that’s a decision nobody can make for you. If you’re happy with the Blon, and can’t think of a reason to use a headphone instead, then stay with what you have.
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I was just wondering if (relatively cheaper ) iems can get me music that’s on the level of crazy expensive headphones.
For now, all I can say is, to me, headphones sound “fuller and more satisfying “ than iems.
For the time being I’m just stopping with my current purchases for a few years as I’ve got no money left.
When I got the 660s I was disappointed initially as I thought that it is essentially a flatter 599 with nothing extraordinary.
Still, I gave it a fortnight of exclusive listening and now any headphone below the level of 660s sounds unfulfilling to me and the 599 feels tinny and muddy - unlistenable after a couple of songs. I can only go above from the 660s (did not get the “technically superior” sundara because it’s not as good as 660s for vocal songs which make 99% of my playlist)
I wanted to try the Ananda, but then people who have the Ananda say that the Arya is a substantial upgrade overall for its “musicality”, while some say the Focal MG is the benchmark for “detail retrieval” and I should save up more. It’s a rabbit hole and a very expensive one.
Focal Radiance vs Clear?
Maybe when the Radiance comes down in price.
which is better on tubes?
That's really a personal preference, dependent upon your tube amp, tubes, and music.
@@NoThemeReviews Which do you prefer?
Cool Video. Please review the HD58X over the 6XX.
I have owned the 58X for a while and am looking for an upgrade or something next to it.
Ordered Sundaras, M1070 and E-MU Teak. The M1070 are the first and only that arrived yet, and i do like the sound signature in some songs but in general i like the neutrality (as opposed to the rather dark tone of the M1070) more on the HD58X. They just sound natural with everything.
Got the M1070 pretty cheap at 285€ but they are going back anyway. They wouldnt, if those otheres which are on the way didnt exist.
The M1070 got better bass, but thats what the E-MU Teak will be for. I wanted a more detailed and revealing natural HD58X, maybe the Sundaras will fill that gap.
You have problems bro
560s can be used balanced
Near the end of DMS new Ollo S4x review he compares the HD560s favorably to the Ollo, saying it has a very similar sound signature and better comfort for half the price. I would be interested in your comparison of these 2.
The two have vastly different sound signatures. The OLLO has a neutral bass presentation-unlike the 560’s sub-bass roll off. The OLLO also doesn’t have nearly the sibilance spike of the 560. The OLLO has natural, slower decay than the 560. And, to top it all off, the OLLO has an overall fuller sound unlike the 560’s rather thin, overly airy signature. He should have done a real comparison if he’s going to make claims like that.
I guess what it comes down to is this: if you want a neutral-ish sound, then the 560 will suffice. But so would a $70 HR5. I have noticed that DMS prefers a more treble-energetic sound signature, and I wonder if he like the 560 because of its airier, peaky sound. There’s nothing wrong with that, but if this is the case, then it would put his comments into context.
@@NoThemeReviews Doesn't faster decay usually means more accurate sound: driver is able to respond faster therefore it's just more "truth" to the signals send from source to the headphone ?
@@tollph3314 No, that's not true. Faster just means faster, not more accurate. If quick transience was a hallmark of "truth" then everyone would be mixing and mastering with planar headphones--and nobody outside of Audeze's marketing bubble does that. Faster transience is one way of delivering clarity in bass and mids--faster decay results in less melding with mids, which leads to additional clarity. But clarity does not mean you get more details or accurate reproduction.
Moreover, no matter which headphone you use, they receive the same signal from your source. Just because one headphone has faster transience doesn't mean the signal changes. Instead, the headphone's tuning dictates how that source signal is perceived.
@@NoThemeReviews "Faster transience is one way of delivering clarity in bass and mids--faster decay results in less melding with mids, which leads to additional clarity. But clarity does not mean you get more details or accurate reproduction."
What ?
Your argument doesn't even make sense.
Less melding ,lower distortion, faster decay=faster voice call moving driver which is reproducing the sound automatically means better detail retrieval therefore more resolution.
How can u tune decay of headphone otherwise ?
@tollph3 You're making an incomplete statement, and promoting a generalization that is not supported by facts. Clearer separation among the frequency range is not the same as greater detail retrieval. They may be related, but are not equivalent, nor necessarily cause and effect.
There are plenty of headphones that sound "clear" but have average detail retrieval. Look at the HD560s; its detail is average at best, and often below-average. The DT1990 is a fairly clear headphone, with some distortion at high volumes in deep sub-bass, but retains an average to above-average amount of detail--and nothing that isn't replicated by other headphones. Every single Audeze headphone--which touts its transience and detail--has no better than average detail retrieval; and this includes the LCD1, LCD2, LCD2C, LCD2 Classic, LCD3, and LCD4Z...and don't even get me started on the Mobius.
Or how about the Monolith M1060, 1060C, 1070, and 1570--all of which have planar drivers with fast transience, yet have comparable detail retrieval as the Audeze counterparts--that is, average.
Then look at the Ollo S4, S4R, and S4X, none of which have transience and decay as fast as the planar options, or even some other dynamics, yet provide as much detail as Monolith, Audeze, and Sennheiser's headphones.
There is no doubt that in some respects the HD560s is CLEARER than the 4X and other options. But that clarity does NOT translate to greater detail being represented.
You can review the Austrian Audio Hi-X55 as the opposite. It has an exemplary amount of clarity and superb detail--some of the best of any headphone I've heard. Yet, it does not provide accurate reproduction of the sound. Your argument falls apart with headphones like this--fast transience, yes, and great detail...but not "truthful" sound.
You're trying to argue that just because a headphone's transience is fast, that results in "more truth to the signal"--a statement that is both utterly confusing and reliant upon an incomplete grasp of headphone tuning.
It appears to me that you're making a generalized comment based upon a correlation. Correlations are not cause and effect.
Finally, as I've said before, fast transience has nothing to do with the "truth" of a signal. Fast transience does not mean you hear the instruments or vocals more "accurately" than a headphone with slower transience. Whoever gave you such impressions is making misstatements.
Instead of arguing with me, you should do a basic amount of research on headphone tuning, transience, and frequency reproduction. Stay out of the forums since people there usually have nothing but personal opinions without sufficient experience.
Unfortunately here in the UK the 6XX is far out of my budget and the 600/650 is over £100 more than the 560s, which I can get for £140. I can however get the DT 990 pros for £108 and the DT 880 editions for £140. Out of interest, which would you choose if you had a budget of basically £140 ($195).
For refrence, I'd be using them to game and listen to music, preffered genres are 60s-80s rock/pop.
I don't have an amp, and getting one would probably cost another £100 at least.
Thank you for your help!
The 990 has a harsher sound than the 880, particularly in treble and vocal rendition. Without an amp you're limited in options. Depending on your source device (phone or computer headphone jack), even the 560s might be an unsuitable pairing. The 880 and 990 only come in 250 ohm and 600 ohm, as far as I'm aware--and both will require an amp of some sort.
If these are your choices, then I think you're probably going to have a tough time with your current setup.
You may want to look into the Monoprice HR5, AKG K361/371, OneOdio Studio Headphones, and Marshall Monitor (wired version). All of these have different sound signatures, but all can be easily driven by phones and built-in PC sound cards. And they're all under $200.
@@NoThemeReviews I'd be driving them from my desktop onboard audio, which is apparently rated for 600 ohms (skeptical personally). So driving them shouldn't be an issue on paper, if that helps. Thanks for your input by the way!
Yeah PC audio card specs are spurious at best. If you know the card model I can look it up and maybe provide a clearer answer. Still, with the 600 ohm variants you’ll need an amp that has 100 ohm output impedance. Have you considered a cheap alternative amp/Dac, such as the Douk Audio product I reviewed several weeks ago? I think it’s about $60 and works fine with the 600 ohm 880.
@@NoThemeReviews To be honest I was really hoping to not spend over £140, I was looking at the 250 ohm versions of the Beyers and the 560s is 120 ohms as far as I know. Theoretically, if I were able to drive all of these relatively well, which would you say is the better value? Cheers.
Thanks for all your reviews!!!
I’m looking for a headphone for tracking, mixing and mastering, and was almost got the HD6xx yesterday but then I saw your review on the Austrian Audio Hi-X55 and wonder what is your thoughts between this 2 for my need ?
I know one is open back and the other is close...
Thanks so much 🙏
It really depends on what you want from your headphones. The x55 is a very detailed headphone with exceptional object placement and clarity. It sounds thin, has a rolled-off bass, and is a vastly different sound signature from the 6xx. The 6xx, in comparison, is a bassier, vocal-forward headphone. I think the 6xx has neutral bass, accentuated mids, and a mostly neutral treble.
I can't tell you what might be the best setup for you. Maybe the following question will help you decide:
Do you want your headphone to give you as much detail as possible while sacrificing accurate sound reproduction, or do you want a natural-sounding headphone that has an average amount of detail?
@@NoThemeReviews Thanks so much for your answer!! It sounds like the HD6xx is the one to get , the only thing I don’t like about open headphone is that you can’t really work outside the house with them... I do have now the DT770 Pro , but they are not recommended for mixing and mastering.. I will probably get the HD6xx , but I wish to find a closed headphone that are made for tracking, mixing & mastering and then I will use only one headphone instead of 2.
Thanks 🙏
@@studiofl259 If for studio work get the 600 for its total neutrality. Many mixers/masterers include them in their toolbox.
I’m waiting your experience on V-Moda m100 Master.
I'd love to review a couple of V-Moda headphones. I've contacted the company several times, and I never get a response.
Thank you for the review, what about the 660s , how does it compare to these two.
The 660s is very similar in sound signature to the 6xx/650, so I don't think there's a material difference.
Still waiting for the comparison with the 579
I know
@@NoThemeReviews can't say anything ahead of that video? One that i will watch either way
@@danterikxx They share a similar sound signature, but the 579 is a bit clearer and has slightly greater sub-bass presence, I think. I've only listened to them for a few hours, back to back, so I'm not confident in a conclusion yet. The vastly different impedances make volume-matching a bit of a grief, and minor differences could be attributed to improperly matching volume. So...I need more time.
I got the Rebel Amp too! Love that thing. Also have the 6XX's. They look/sound better than the 560s IMO.
I’ve been looking into getting a Rebel Amp, but I’m a little worried on it powering some of my higher impedance headphones. How’s it do with the 6XX, and have you tried it with anything harder to drive than the 6XX?
@@FruggieMorton Never had a problem with it powering anything I have. 6XX and my 1990s don't even get to 12 o'clock on high gain. They have a lot more headroom to go.
@@LordSmashington which headphones do you prefer in both sound and physical comfort, the dt 1990s or the 6XX?
Slight correction; the 560s is indeed balanced
i scrolled all the way down to find this... out the box the 560s is indeed balanced capable, just need the right cable.
13:20, dude can count all the 'footsteps' in the world, but CANNOT manage a cable lol
Yeah, that’s how trashy the cable is. Maybe in the future criticize the company for sub-par accessories.
The cable is trash, you have to get the HD 400 Pro instead if you actually want decent stock cables, they aren’t microphonic or janky and more pliable. I gather they are same headphone but come with two better quality cables. The HD 400 Pro sound better than I recall the HD 560 S ever sounding but have a different system so synergy likely at play. There are some decently priced balanced cables for the headphone too.
FYI that the HD560s now comes with a shorter 6 foot cable and it has a 3.5mm plug with a screw on 6.35mm adapter. Cable is actually decent.
The new revision also has slightly reduced highs FWIW
Honestly, it’s an unpopular opinion but I tried the HD560s and they’re my least favorite Sennheiser headphones. I even chose the HD599SE and PC38X over them. I guess I don’t like the flat neutral sound signature, I imagine an audiophile would love them but I like more fun when listening to music.
I don’t think your opinion is unpopular. It’s simply that Sennheiser sent a ton of free headphones to Vine accounts who flooded positive reviews, and there are audiophiles who have little experience with other headphones to know any better. The 560s is by no means flat or neutral.
@@NoThemeReviewsWell, to my ears I find them flat in comparison to the other open-baxk headphones that I tried, like the HD599, Pc38x, X2HR and SHP9600.
@@NoThemeReviews did you measure them? Many have and the results are clear. They are very flat. Which is exactly what audio technicians are looking for. They are a great studio headphone. I wouldn't buy them for casual listening though.
Thank you.
I like this channel, but like all subjective reviews, that's all they are. Human ears are poor measurement instruments, unreliable, subject to drift, bias and a high degree of uncertainty. If you are, searching for a more scientific objective starting point, then there are better sources. It's possibly more useful to see what data is available on phones you like personally, and then use that as a guide for other equipment. Arguing what is good, bad, best, worst etc is almost pointless without some quantitative data on which you can make a consistent and repeatable comparison.
We need a more eclectic approach to reviews. Holistic, if you will.
@@NoThemeReviews Yes absolutely, and that's already been done, it's the basis of the Harman Curve. It's as scientific an approach as you could probably take given the large number of variables to consider, not least all of the psychological effects at play. So we have the ideal tonal response curve that fits the majority of preferences (unless you're one of the few in the 3 sigma groups of course, but then there's Grado....) It's straightforward to then measure the review device against those curves, so it gives a reference point from which any subjective impressions can be made. I love listning to my Grados, but I'm pretty sure (from measurement data) that they are not neutral, they have a big upper mid hump etc etc, but I still enjoy them; but I wouldn't try to tell anyone they are better or worse based on my listening experience. I would advise that they have a poor FR adherence to neutral, because I can show the quantitative data to do that. In other words, they measure poorly, but I love them. You might do too, or you might hate them!
The problem wish subjective only is it works both ways - the detractors or the myth busters are just as unhelpful as the hyperbole riddled fanbois
I should add that personally I like the 560s. Very bright, way more than any Grado I've got; though not harsh or sibilant; good detail retrieval, and a well controlled bass that's not too overblown. Low distortion, so they EQ easily, which is really important. It's time we binned the whole obsession with bit perfect to the bin, EQ is almost necessary on domestic headphones.
super review , best reviewer! thank you... DMS and Zeo's are just overrated hype machines. People should stop watching them.
To be fair zeos did not like the hd560s.
What's funny is that DMS had a video talking about how he's had the HD650 or HD6xx for 10 years and always has had a pair and that he listens to them every day.
As I see from vid,560s is looking more premium over 6xx) When 6xx is look cheaper,so it’s not like u telling
WRONG.
@@NoThemeReviews being clear,I already had 560s in my hands in a shop,and it didn’t feel like a cheap plastic
After Watching to some audio experts,as I heard - they confirmed my opinion
@@keswik0258 Cool. You like cheaply built crap.
@@NoThemeReviews😆
Would the 4xx be a good alternative to these overhyped beasts?
I can't say; I don't have the 4xx.
I have both, and I enjoy them equally for different reasons. I don't feel that the 6xx is overhyped though. After all, it's based on a classic that's been around forever. I think the hype comes from the drastic reduction in price compared the the original. I think it you've never head an orthodynamic, the 4xx is a good place to start.
Here is what I don't understand, and I guess that's why there are no likes.
A) The 560S has a MUCH bigger soundstage and imaging, so it leans more into the allround/gaming use.
B) The 6xx is literally TWICE the price (in the EU even 3 times)! So what qualifies them to be compared? They are in different price brackets as well as different customer bases.
Price has absolutely nothing to do with sound quality. I have no idea why you think these headphones are for “different customer bases”. Where are you getting that idea? I’m not stopping you from buying or enjoying this headphone. BTW, you can like or dislike the video to your hearts content. YT terminated public the dislike counter. You might want to consider that this counter is useless as it gives you no clue why anyone voted either way.
6XX are 220$ plus 10$ shipping here in Germany. So 209€.
HD560s is 160€ on Amazon. Not a huge difference.
it just works to my ears, true it lacks technicalities here and there, heck even it tends to 'change' music