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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- You can get the Sennheiser HD 560S and HD 660S2 here:
Sennheiser HD560S:
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Sennheiser HD660s (only new version available HD660s2):
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This video will explain why I choose the Sennheiser HD560s over the HD660s.
I hope I could help you and you enjoyed the review! :)
I would say HD560s are incredible. For this price you get it all, honestly. They even are balanced ready, though connector is a bit tricky with this twist lock. Very comfortable, very detailed, very even, with sub-bass, with great mid, if only they could also fold, like HD 380 pro) They also surprisingly easy to drive for this impedance. For work, for music, if you want just very good headphones, without aiming to the hi-fi as hobby - you do not need to go higher at all. It will be better to use something, DAC or amp, but even with regular laptop/pc/decent phone headphone output it will work.
BUT 660S just better. If you want to go to the rabbit hole - 600 line is obvious in this comparison. With them you need something, DAC, amp, whatever, especially with 600 and 650.
In my opinion if you don't know whether you need HD 600 line, you just heard it is better - just take HD 560s and be happy)
The HD 560s also just got added to Sennheisers "Pro" line in form of the "HD 400 Pro", which is the same headphone but with a different cable. Seems like the 560s is hitting a lot of boxes.
I have the 560s and I couldn't be happier. Thank you for confirming my impression about them.
are they good for gaming and how much sound do they leak/let in?
@@Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam Sorry for the late response ^^
I use them for gaming at a fairly high rank at games like csgo or halo, tactical games. And they work perfect for me!
@@Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam they are open backs, so they probably leak and let in a TON of sound. Though open backs also improve sound stage, so if the leak/let in is an issue, maaaybe don't go with the open backs.
@@spicytoast6890 as a hd560s owner, I can agree. people nearby will hear anything you're listening to and you'll hear what they're doing as well
Thank you! im going to a store and try out some 660s and listen for my self. i have the 560s at home now and i love em!
I am using my HD600 in its twentieth year. I still love them.
Thank you for this review. I just ordered the HD560S, having owned an HD570 for about 20 years. The latter was /is also entirely made out of plastic and I'm still using it today for studio monitoring and....at this very moment to watch reviews on headphones ;-) on youtube
I'm at my sixth Volkswagen...and I know why.
PS: Despite my first name, I'm not German
Glad you like the review and have fun with your new HD560S! :D
I think that, Due to the impedance on these headphones, to get the full potential of this sound you really need to connect them to an amp. Otherwise it's the same as testing a Tesla on triple-A batteries. The 560 are probably the best headphones out there if the criteria you are using is quality-to-price ratio, but the sound on the 660s is better so, if money is no object, obviously go for the latter. You're obviously also paying for a better visual design but the sound is definitely better. Edit: A DAC will also do the job as pointed out by one of the comments below but it must be a powered, standalone DAC, not an onboard chip.
I managed to find an old (1980's) HD 560 Ovation -with 300 Ohms resistance- which I have been running on my on-board dac without amp for a few months now without issues. To be fair I don't have much to compare it to, but compared to the gaming headsets I ran before this, it's a massive difference. Would an amp really be necessary for the 120 Ohms 560s?
@@hovhannes5 ^
Do you think a scarlett solo will do the job for the 560s?
@@hovhannes5 to get the best out of it you probably need an amp. If it’s less than 80ohm you can probably use it at it’s best level, but if it’s more you’ll need an amp to get the best out of it
When listened to my favorite song with the 560s on i noticed things that i didn't hear before i love the sound
The 560s are wider than the 660s and also have a slightly bigger sound stage, interesting that you noticed the opposite. But yeah I agree, you can get an 99% identical sound if you eq both to the harman target
I Have the 560s and later bought the 660s when the price came down. I own Botha and I feel they compliment each other.
Both would benefit from dedicated amp/dac. I use Fiio k5 pro and 560s and they sound amazing together shaking my head from quality bass.
Agree, using iFi DAC and CAN with the 560s. Addition of the CAN certainly adds to the experience.
You've convinced me. I'm buying the 560s right now
I think that's a good decision! :D
Great presentation.
That’s the way with diminishing returns. When a product reaches a certain price point it’s quality can only be expected to increase slightly for every doubling of price. A three to five percent improvement is probably quiet correct. The logic reason it cannot be more, is that when a certain performance parameter has been meet, every further improvements will be inaudible. In the case of the Sennheiser 660S the only truly audible faults it displays is a roll of in level below 100 Hz and some headphone to pinnae (the flabby thing protruding from the head/ear canal) interaction, which makes the soundstage of the headphone more constricted. Now if Sennheiser throws a lot of money in developing these two aspects let’s say 15% for a 670S (nonexistent product!) and charges double up. The total product performance will then only increase by 5% because all other performance parameters like midrange timbre/level/balance and the same for treble will not have been improved. The true value of a headphone and all other products in life can only be decided after a decision on how much one is willing to splash out. For me by the way, the best Sennheiser is the 650S. It’s a bit cheaper than the 660S and it counters the lack of bass with a slightly more laidback treble giving it a more musical balance. And the 650S is the king of headphones in midrange performance, voices sounds startling realistic, something very important nowadays with all the great podcasts available. Greetings from Denmark.
Thanks for the comment! :D
Very informative and well written! It is the same with cameras. I will pick it up in a video about video making in the future.
But my studies kick in at the moment, so that will take some time to make. Glad you liked the video. :)
I have all of them and let me tell u that HD660s has all this HD 650 mids but with better clarity , speed, imaging, soundstage , And they lose from HD 650 on smoothness only . Also HD 6 line can produce low end bass with eq and normal volume levels , thats is known and Rtings has measure them without clipping . The reason HD 6 line has roll off on both ends is the sound signature mostly and secondly on low end bass they cant produce it on very high volumes because the mebrane and coil cant do that. HEadphones that are tuned to have more Low End like FOCAL ELEX they do it but on high leveles they CLIP all of them they CLIP that happens on Open backs ... Some planars can go low end but most of them under 1.000 euros have Quality issues with failing channels because of that ... So HD 6 line trust me is like that for a reason . If u want something better u have to go over 1.000 for example Focalr Clear ... ( but they also clipp on low end high volumes) or Planars that u have to be very careful . On the other Hand HD 6 line will last forever and ever what ever u do .
@@Tripokaridos22 what luxury to possess all of them. The reason I prefer the 650S slightly over the 600S is exactly the slightly reduced treble balance to counterbalance the reduced bass level below 80 Hz. And then I happens to like the look of the 650S slightly better than the latest version of the 600S (but not the earlier stone/marble look 600S). It’s irrelevant and shouldn’t enter the equation but looks are at least of some importance. My wish is that Sennheiser one day will make a version of either the 600 or 650 with slightly better bass reach (better seal of the pads or whatever it requires) and a 150 ohm impedance. Personally I’m not going to bother with equalization. I want to be able to plug the device into basically anything and get a pleasant natural reproduction of the human voice, singing or speaking.
I have newer heard any Focal headphones, but I am quite interested and will get it done. You are not the only one who describes the Clear as a high end 600S. It then seems like the replacement the Clear MG is their high end 650S, with a slightly more withdrawn treble?
Thanks for your input.
Sorry I'm noob.Does HD 560s sound a lot different compared to my ATH M40x?
@@akashjb3304 yes way different. I dont have 40 but i had a listen years ago. I rember to be closed back and have a bass bump and no resolution at all with some spikes.
560s are waaaaaay better headphones... But remember they are open back also way more comfortable.
I've had the 560s and Zen DAC V2 for almost two years now, and can thoroughly recommend the combination.
Added a Zen CAN on top of the Zen Dac, experience gets that slightly bit better with more power! Great combo. Find yourself a 2nd hand one if you want to save a $$$.
HD560 and soundworks (SoundID Reference) for mixing and mastering, satisfied!
So, I'm not an audiophile that will drone on and on endlessly about gold plated cables or other snake oil. But something I consider extremely basic is the impedance of a headphone. The 660s REQUIRES amplification. It simply isn't optional with a headphone rated at 150ohms. Its not going to sound good out of a headphone jack on a phone or laptop. If you connect it directly to your PC, sure you may have slightly better results because the headphone jack on a motherboard will give a bit more juice than a phone. But the bottom line is that anything rated that high is going to require amplification. If you want 660s sound quality in a headphone not requiring amplification you have options. The MEZE 99 classics can be purchased for around $200 or lower depending on if they are the massdrop version or you pick them up used on the cheap. These sound as good or near as good and can be driven from a smartphone. Heck Id rather listen to a pair of Koss Porta Pros for $22.95 than the 660s's without amplification. Also, not all audio interfaces will deliver the juice necessary for a headphone like the 660s. 150ohms is quite a power hungry headphone. Bottom line, if you cant provide amplification than the 660s is not the headphone for you, but you still have options.
Thanks for letting people know other options :)
I wouldn't say 150 ohms is power hungry. Amplification is recommended, but not necessary; you can just power them well enough from a mobile phone (enough being the operative word). But as mentioned before, they definitely benefit from an amp.
@@SeanLiu4 well, they are indeed kinda efficient, but honestly running them on a smartphone is like wasting half of the potential in my opinion. The sound becomes a bit rough, not quite as relaxing and warm as it should be. I just see it like a partial waste of money.
@@mastroitek don't disagree with you. The 660s are are bit odd in the sense that they aren't efficient enough to be adequately powered by a mobile phone. Still usable but as you've mentioned, they are more pleasant to listen to when you give them enough juice
Nonsense, utter nonsense.
Great review those 2 are on my 5 favorite headphones that i use . HD 560s remind me the 600 more than 650 or 660s to be honest , they sound neutral with more soundstage like all the 5 series my 599 also have that soundstage. HD 660s for me worth the price even compared to my Sundara that sound clearer the reasons are , imaging is on another level , they sound so analogue smooth and organic like all the HD 6 line but with more details its like they are warm but without losing detail or being harsh like DT 1990 , Sundara, 560s ... At least to my ears on some songs . Also bad quality tracks mostly old rock music sounds better on HD 600 , 650 , 660s in my opinion . Sennheiser has something for everyone , with HD 600,650,660s they give u the famous warm smooth sound with small differences, and with HD 560s u get something more modern with more sparkle and neutral sound .
You are one of the few people who I've seen on the internet say that they prefer the 660s over the Sundaras. I'm not saying you're wrong, just surprised!
The 660s is by no means the best headphone, even by measurements. However, there is something about them that is pleasing and easy on the ears.
@@SeanLiu4 Hmm thats true . most people like Sundara most because they are clearer more resolution bigger soundstage and thats something most people love its a sound signature that when u first listen u say WoW. HD660s are boring compared to Sundara for some people and that is because they have warmer character they are smoother on highs they have in your head singer voice . But again if u really listen both of them for many many hours u understand that 660s are more organic more realistic with voices that even the breath of the singer has texture , On sundara everything sounds so open so clear that feel unnatural. Let me put ut that way... With 660s is like u have the singer in real life in front of u and with Sundara its like the singer is inside a studio polished clean the sound and give it to u. Yeah it aounds more wow more clear but also doesnt make u feel that is real ... I dont know if i can explain it to u correct. Sundara some times sound metalic also .
But i love both of them i like both of them for different reasons if i want excitement and make some people say wow i give then Sundara... But when i want to relax to feel like i am inside a bubble with the singer then i choose 660s.
@@Tripokaridos22 I haven't been able to listen to a pair of sundaras but the 660s is something I definitely don't need a description of... Owned one for 2 years now😁😉
@@SeanLiu4 and how u feel about them ? How u will describe their sound ?
@@Tripokaridos22 intimate yet relaxing for the most part.
The vocals are presented in a manner where the vocalists voice is right up to the microphone, but not shouty - effortless as some people say
The bass is good/decent; lacking just a smudge especially in the sub bass region. Despite its shortcoming in this area, the bass it delivers is very clean. If a song's is poorly recorded/mastered though, you will be able to tell
The highs are relaxing; bright enough to enjoy yet non fatiguing. That's about as much as I can, say about the highs. My brother owns a hifiman He 4xx and monoprice m1060s and those are too bright for me now. Great headphones in their own right but can't listen to either for long periods
There is enough details presented to you where if you really focus, you can identify most if not all elements and sounds
I have both, the HD560S and HD600 and so far I prefer the HD560s. Still going back and forth with HD600. I also have the HD599S and I am not impressed. It sounds pretty good. But it doesn't grab my emotional and/or intellectual attention.
Your hair has a life of its own !
Using the HD560S with added headset receiver really crushes most of the headsets I have been using (like Bose, Apple, Sony etc). Yes I know they are bluetooth headsets. But they stil cost over double the pricing compared with the 560S. Bluetooth headsets with noise cancelling are the best for travelling.
560s is best headphones under 200usd but it doesnt have the resolution to keep up with the hd 6xx line. Actually the driver of 560s is superior and do have room to provide high res low distortion sound. But the chassy is not updated by Sennheiser and thus is not designed for audiophile high res sound.
how to know about the driver information about a particular headphone?
I've got the 560s running with a btr5 dac amp, perfect, easy to drive , great sound quality and stage, superior comfort and the app makes slight eq adjustments really easy, best bang for the buck, cheers
Excellent review mate
Thanks a lot! :)
To be fair, straight to the pc there isnt gonna be mucho diference to them. I`ve not tried the 560 but ive had hd 598 and sr225 grados among others and currently own HD 660s. When i bought them i ordered a topping ex5 dac amp wich took a couple weeks to arrive from china. Without the amp i noticed them sounding better than my 598 and grado but not x amount of dollars better, when the dac arrived i set it up to low impedance Mode because of the 150 ohm rating wich improved things a lot but i had very little soundstage but great detail, i finished plague tale réquiem in this Mode and enjoyed the audio though i felt like the whole game was going on close to my ear. Then one Day i selected the high impedance Mode and the diference was night and day much better soundstage detail more realistic immersive and definetly miles away from the xonar essence stx +HD 598 setup i had. Good headphone need Good amplification to achieve full potential otherwise they Just sound neutered
Thank you for this! I am still deciding on which I need for primarily gaming but it looks like the HD560s is worth it.
I can recommend the 560s for gaming :)
@@floriangladis Looking forward for the 560s. Thank you for the great review!
did exactly same comparison btw hd599 vs hd560s and chose 599 w same reasons. I guess it’s like settling for one’s best bang per buck position. :)
I have the 599 and want the 560s. What's better about the 560s?
This remind me of someone who drinks instant coffee but trying to review a dual boiler machine...
I don't intend to sound mean but this is a misleading review. Your pc's onboard audio does not generate enough power to drive these headphones. You do not need an audio interface you need an amplifier to power these headphones. You cannot truthfully give an honest review if you don't have the equipment to drive these headphones. Ik you kind of mentioned that but just giving my two cents.
Yea I will respect that in the future, if I do something like that again :)
The 560S has the best clarity of any entry level audiophile headphone I've used. Its almost like hearing old songs like new again. My experience is the 560S makes some things sound magical, downright fantastical and it makes other songs that I love sound like poopoo. The clamping force is also quite intense. I've only had them for less than a week, maybe they do stretch over time.
Currently deciding between them and the TYGR-300R. 560S makes a lot of songs sound more beautiful than I've ever heard and somethings sound worse than I could have imagined; TYGR makes most sounds so pretty good and nothing sounds too bad. Middle of the road vs peaks and valleys.
HD598 is miles above the 560
Helpful ,exactly what I wanted to know .
I was about to buy the 990 Pro but went with the 560S, prob one of the best decisions I have made lately
what mic are you using there its sounds really good through my hd560s.
I use the Shure MV7 with the Pop filter of the SM7B because this reduces the plosives by a lot and I use the USB input from the MV7. I hope I could help :) Maybe in the future I will make a video about my setup, but no time lately :(
I like your style of review. You don't really nerd out and keep everything concise, short, and simple.
Also, I really like the background setup, wether it's intentional or not. It has a warm color signature, has some green plants which kind of calms me down and makes me forget i am staring at a screen.
Have you heard the HD58X? I was thinking of upgrading to either that or the HD560s, but considering both ended up pricing the same in my country, i ended up getting confused.
Overall a great start for a channel, i might say. Cheers!
Thanks for the kind words! I hope I can create more videos soon, but my work and my studies kick in hard at the moment.
I don't know the HD58X, if you can make the investment maybe buy both and send the one you don't like back?
@@floriangladis Hmm. Perhaps i should try it out at a store, because my budget is so limited honestly. I still love my Samson SR850's and I still can't imagine a better sounding headphone than them!
No pressure though, just keep making videos if you like them, and see what happens!
I heard both, the 560s is a little more spicy in the lower treble but is also quite a bit more detailed, has better bass extension and soundstages way better
Florian's summary sounds good for a tight budget, but we don't have any idea about what music or other content Floridan listened to while comparing these two models --nor what kind of listener Florian is.
Schönes Video. Habe selber beide und bin erstaunt wie gut die 560s sind. Habe noch die hd 599 und ich greife immer mehr zu den hd 560s
Thanks for sharing man.
I initially wanted to go for the refurbished HD660s since it wasnt much more expensive however i dont have a dac setup and also i like the openness of openback however i still want to feel like im wearing headphones sound wise so i think im gonna go for the HD560s. Thank you for the review
Have you tried testing 660s on a better amplifier? I was planning to purchase 660s for kinda acceptable mid-price personally. but I find reviews that said they regretted on 660s until they found out it was their amplifier haven’t been utilising the 660s after all, even it was 150 Ohm only.
This hinders me from buying, and end up here looking for comparison between 550s and 660s.
Sadly I do not have an amplifier, so I could not test it. But my guess is that, if you have a good amplifier the HD660s are actually better. Dont take my word for it though. Hope I could help :/
Yeah with an amplifier or dac the 660S is incredible, if you're unsure if a dac/amp can drive the headphones you're looking for there's usually a result by googling "can X drive Y headphone" or by checking the power the amp or dac outputs and comparing it to the headphone's impedance.
@@Blissy1175 i would also recommend simply taking your gear to the showroom, if any is available in your city. I tried HD 600, 560 and Sundara with mine this way
Hope you invested in an amp. These headphones really deserve it! Even a Zen dac is a great upgrade. Save a buck, grab a 2nd hand one!@@floriangladis
I bought myself an Audient ID14 a while ago, probably not the best for headphone use only, but I am very happy with it and I need to use mics as well :)@@laowai2000
You don’t exactly need the most expensive Dac or amp to power these however, getting the Dac that would sound the best is a different story. All dacs have different types of chips that have their own characteristics by design and nature. Some have a more clinical sound while others have a more rounded more smoothed out sound making it more enjoyable to listen to. However there are some like the Zen Dac has had an optional firmware that has been removed called “7.2 cookies and cream “ which originates from the more expensive ifi Diablo. With the Philips Fidelio X2HR it sounds very wide which compliments the headphones sound signature and makes movies sound a lot more immersive than any of the other available firmwares 7.3 and 7.4 variants. Basically if it weren’t for the 7.2 firmware I most likely would of just returned the zen Dac v2 , because 7.2 cookies and cream sounds that good with these particular headphones .
What is your background and experience that lends value to opinions in these reviews ? Normally this is in an About section of videos. Much appreciated.
Just my opinion, I am not an audio expert. Feel free to take it as you want :)
Seems to be norm on TH-cam @@floriangladis
I recently got my hd6xx even though I am in UK, not sure why everyone is complaining about duties and customs... I didn't get charged VAT even - I think the quantity via UPS coming into UK is so much that they don't bother taxing anything priced below $200 and international shipping by drop is only 30 dollars which is fine.
How is your first impression of the hd6xx?
@@floriangladis they are more musical and smooth sounding, but less detailed than my 660s which I’ve had for a year. It’s definitely my taste! The 6xx is now my main headphone because they are not fatiguing when you listen to a poor source and my ears are sensitive from an infection. In my case it was worth it… You do need an amplifier though - even more so than the 660s. I recommend the Violectric Chronos as the only amp you need, and it’s made in Germany!
@@18yearsoldnot Thanks for the feedback! I will definitely buy an amp in the future :D
@@floriangladis I’m sure you’re saving up ;) if you ever upgrade from the 660s it’s basically a long term investment anyway
Great reviews my friend! I love it also video isn’t too long aswell which are a bonus :)
Thank you! :)
Hi, interesting video, since you done this video sennheiser has upgraded the 660s to s2 which has better bass at the bottom end , like you I bought 660s wanted more premium headphones, I bought mine recently for £259, although they sound pretty good, I have the 6xx with custom cans bass mod which does improve them, I use my 660s direct on my Ifi zen dac with the true bass button selected which they do come alive, I also have 560s I use on my other system . I have noticed that the hd650 is now available for £229 in the U.K. . Regards Mark
I have the 660s and am never giving them back
@Florian G - If both were the same price, I assume you would have gone with the HD 660S since they were slightly better sounding, and a bit better built (also, objectively, a bit nicer looking)?
I'm considering picking up a used, but excellent condition set (of either) - so figured I'd ask if you were picking without taking cost into consideration, which one you'd go with/ recommend.
Thanks in advance!
Yes. I was very tempted by the HD660S, but reason has kicked in and I kept the HD560S because they were this much cheaper at the time. And I still use them every day and like them a lot to this day. But yeah for sure I would have taken the HD660S if they had been the same price! :D
No dac and no amp. How can this be a sane comparison. Plugged it into my PC?????
still getting the 660 s. %100. it depends on ur amp and dac that u r using.
That is probably true! But for me, the difference without an amp wasn't worth it, and buying an amp + the 660s was no option for me at the moment. I hope you enjoy your headphones! :)
Amp will not make that much of a difference. People are just exaggerating. That's just how audiophile community is. The difference at best will be less than few % that most people can't even hear but for audiophiles that's "HUGE DIFFERENCE! THEY SOUND SOOO MUCH BETTER!" It's just exaggeration, nothing else. The only difference amp can make is to boost the volume if you don't get enough without it. I tested bunch of headphones with different amps. The difference in sound if any is laughable and insignificant and mostly is placebo effect.
@@MisTTwisted we are no audiophiles. We are music lovers that love to purchase many experience amp and dacs. Speakers also. The hobby is expensive but fun buying them and experiment with many speakers. There are different levels to this hobby pal 😇
@@MisTTwisted i agree
@@MisTTwistedI own these headphones like 4 years and believe me, when you throw a lot of powers these cans sound totally different for better.
If youd have both of them running through a real stack (DAC and Amp), youd get more out of the HD660s´ than out of the HD560s´, like they really be able to strech their legs and youd get your money worth. Eitherway the HD560s´ is a pair of headphones to be envyous about, no doubt.
All the headphone reviews/comments follow the same pattern. First comment loves them, next one hates them, next one likes them, next one sold them and so on. Bottom line is that this is one of the most subjective hobbies because your own ear also has its own frequency response so what you hear is not exactly what other people do. When it comes with headphones you just need to try them.
I think a headphone that fits you will be obvious to you from the first few times if not the first you listen to it. An amp will help but only a bit unless it is a very niche headphone or you power it from a 20$ mp3 player. If you don't have to go to 100% to listen to them at an ok volume you are probably fine to get a decent idea of their sound. For sure an amp will not make you love a headphone you dislike. I personally like the 660s a lot and did so from the beginning but a lot of people don't. I also have gone through a huge I like it/I hate it cycle with other headphones for example the DT 1990 which is adored by many.
EQ also helps but for me a keeper is a headphone that you just like only using an ok dac/sound card without any EQ. Just try as many as you can and if you don't like them return them and move on. If you don't completely hate a headphone and you can afford to keep it for the collection for sure you will find uses for it though.
I really like your practical approach for reviewing these. I own the original HD600 and I was looking to get a new head phone. Did you look at the HIFIMAN SUNDARA? They are a bit cheaper than the HD660s and some people say they sound better. I also heard that the HD660s have better imaging than the HD560s. I think that would make them better for gaming. One thing that no one seems to talk about is listening to movies on headphones. I find that's my primary use. I'm still waiting for a headphone reviewer that has something to say on that topic.
Thank you for the feedback! :) I have not heard of the HIFIMAN sorry.
Yes, the HD660s have better imaging in my opinion, I would agree with that. I would say both of the headphones are great for watching movies. I have watched the Mandalorian with both headphones alternating and it was a great experience. Great detail, very clear spoken word. The bass is not super prominent because both headphones have a flat sound curve but that's what you get with the Sennheiser's and in the best case you can experience the sound like it is intended to be. I would guess that most movies are created with headphones or boxes that have a flat sound profile.
@@floriangladis Definitely check out the HIFIMAN Sundara.
@@derekd4349 Gonna try in out i the future!
Robert which Audiophile headphones do you recommend for Listening to movie Soundtracks like L.O.T.R and The Martian that tend to have some awsome low-end midbass tracks?
I'm trying to find that one Audiophile headphone that encompasses a little of everything.
Yeaaah, I feel like if you're getting these, u may as well get an audio interface as well. If you get an audio interface as well, I willing to bet you would rather the 660s lol.
Probably true lol
but atm no audio interface for me, maybe soon though.
Hi great video, sennheiser are doing the 660 at £259 , wished bought that instead hd6xx but I have also have 560s, both sound petty good tho . Regards mark
I don't really understand why people buy 2 products, just for the sake of choosing one and returning the other, this isn't how it's supposed to work, you don't get a brand new product, open it "knowing that you'll return it", it's not a free "trial".. products return should be used for a better reasoning, it's sad.
I get where you coming from and in principle I would agree with you. But you can’t really compare the two headphones in any store (not where I live) and if you return one it will get sold as B stock. Also I created a video about it to inform, so that other people don’t have to buy both and ship one back. So I informed about 60k people with that one time I did that. Well worth it imo.
I tried both I prefer hd660s less harsh less bass but better bass more deep and overall they are just better lmao.
5 min of wasted time. Using HiFi headphones without decent dac and amplifier won't give you anything. They both sound so-so similar when amped by phone - no surprise!
These sound pretty damn good on my LG V60. But then that phone has a SABRE HiFi®D/A converter with QUAD DAC+™ technology, headphone amplifier. And that is built into the phone. Also sounds really good on my 2K dollar Envy all in one HP which has upgraded sound system built in. Whatever they did to the head phone jack it has allot of power as well and sounds really good. Pretty much sounds as good or better then the V60. But I can see these headphones would be weak with normal devices.
@@HiPlains1 v60 is awesome!
Hallo Florian, Dein Englisch ist perfekt. Ich bin auch dieser Sprache mächtig, aber bei anderen Videos ist es nicht so gut verständlich... Also Daumen hoch... Aber es geht ja um Kopfhörer, und ohne Scheiss, heute kommt mein bestellter HD 660 S an. Warten... Habe im Moment die Beyer DT 990 Pro und verspreche mir jetzt mehr von den 660 S. Aber die DT 990 klingen auch nicht übel, mal schauen was mir die 660 S in`s Ohr flüstern. Tolles Video. Habe abonniert. LG
Freut mich! :) Viel Spaß mit den HD 660 S!
You made a good decision, but.... even with the 560s you need a headphone amplifier to really expose what it can offer.
I had them both for a while and in the end I sticked with the 660s mainly for the design(always liked the 600 series look). Even if the 560s has such great detail, the 660s details and images better and the mids are even better.
I sold the 560s with a little regret because it's not twice the headphone, 660s.
Which headphone amplifier would you recommend for the 560s or 660s? I don't know anything about it
@@firefoxo For the 560 had only the zen dac. Its a dac and amplifier too. Great detail ,smooth sound.
I don't know much too but the pair sounded fantastic.
For the 660s I bought zen can to stack with the zen dac. I am pleased.
Very practical German perspective and well said not worth spending more than double the money for a marginal improvement.
Thanks for the compliment! :)
would you benefit from an amp for HD560S? or is it just as good powering it straight from a computer?
A lot of people would probably disagree with me as you can read in the comments, but I use these headphones on a daily basis on my PC and my MacBook, and they work perfectly fine. But if you have an amp, it will probably only increase the quality of the sound. Pretty good though.
@@floriangladis No. It'll increase the bass response and presence, mids and treble details and will sound more "Lively". Its a noticeable difference
@@clickbaitpro I’m agree totally!
I have had tested with amp and without and there is a huge difference. And I also want to mark my mobo have good sound card - S1220A and when connected with iFi Zen dac v2 ora Fiio K7 I’m discovered new experience on HD560S 😊
I bought a pair of HD660s, I think it works for me. I didn't love the sound out of the box that much but with a bit of an EQ adjustment they sound excellent now. Also getting a DAC/AMP for them soon as well (ifi Zen Dac V2). So hopefully that brings the magic out even more.
Adding a IFI Dac and Can really is a game changer.
I'm really lucky to have Discounted 660S for US$350 😁.
yes you are :D
what do you guys think of hd58x compared to the 560s ?
You really need to use an amp. For both.
Would you say it's possible/comfortable to run with these headphones?
Possible yes. But they are not made for outdoor environments or sweat, and they are open back, so you hear everything around you. It is like anti-noise canceling. I really don't think you should go on a run with them. They are made for studio environments :)
Wow what camera are you using? you look very crisp
Do you think so? :D I am not that satisfied with my camera, but it's enough for what I do.
I use the SONY RX10 III
I had the HD 560S and I hated them so much I returned them. Very uncomfortable velour pads made my head sweat, they are really tight on the head, and they had that flat sound that everyone loves but apparently I don't. I also bought a pair or Shuoer S12 planar IEM's (for less money) and they totally wrecked the Senn's in every category. I ran them both through my HIDIZS DH80S Portable DAC/AMP and there was no comparison. I'm looking to get either a HifiMan Sundara or Edition XS to be my main headset. I want to be able to enjoy listening to my music and not just analyze it.
Thanks for the comment! It's probably going to help some people. :)
IEM's aren't touching my 560S's sorry. Not in measurements atleast. You may prefer the way the Shuoers sound but that doesn't make them objectively better. That's not how it works. They just sound better to you personally. Also you can enjoy the 560S's without having to "analyze music" you just can't like a lot of songs that are ultra bass heavy which I don't. if you listen to really well produced and mastered music without too much obnoxious bass you'll love the 560S's. I feel your music taste just doesn't suit them or you didn't give them enough of a chance. Personally I want to hear as closely as I can how the song was *meant* to sound. Not how the headphone manufacturer *wants* it to sound. Loving my 560S's. Glad you're loving your S12's.
Then most likely you will not like Sundara neither. Shuoer S12 (like most of planar IEMs) has pretty strange sound, you won't find the same in most planar overears.
And while being flat headphones advocate - i can see that this sound is not for everyone. And also stories about "music was meant to be what you hear in flat headphones" are bullshit. The goal of producer is to make music sound as good as possible on as much audio devices as possible, prioritizing most popular formats and sound signatures. They use what they use not because "it is meant to be heard on this device", but because it is a tool, through which they find mistakes and which is predictable. Some studio monitors are PAINFUL to listen to music in (yes, Bayerdynamic, I'm looking at you). And with most of monitors you will not hear the best of music - you will hear ALL mistakes.
My only issue with all headphones made now are the clamp pressure. I've had 4 pairs of Sennheisers now and the 560S are the first ones I'm having to stretch out via the over books method. All my others were perfect comfort out of the box. I fully admit I have a big head so for some they may not have this issue but for me the pressure where the jawbone joint is was too much.
Thanks for the feedback, it will surely help someone. I haven't had that problem, but every person(s head) is different and that's wonderful! :D
Are these good for metal music?
Still has bad cables, I have the 650s and my right ear cable just broke for the 4th time. So debating what to get.
3 to 5 % ??? its much, so much better. Much more detail and articulate sound
i own both of dis headphones plus HD700 AND HD820S off coz d HD650 ..i like HD660S MORE THAN hd560S ..THINK ITS JUST WHAT KIND OF SOUND U LIKE TO HEAR
I guess that's true. Personal preference plays a huge role in your decision-making!
I have all 5 and 6 series , I love Sennheiser . HD 660s are way better technically headphone than HD 560s, Imaging is better , separation is better , sound is more natural and organic , also timbre is way better and smoother . On the other hand HD 560s is also amazing headphone for the price with way more neutral sound ( hd660s are warmer) with more bass extension ( not better bass) , bigger Soundstage ( some people love in your head soundstage from HD 6 line) , So Yeah both are great and some will like HD 560s More ... BUT HD 660s are better quality headphones.
Everyone say that the 560s have bigger soundstage, but I just can't notice it. To me the 560s sound "thin" (probably I'm referring to what the guy in the video defined as "you know you are wearing headphones"). I still don't know if I love or hate them. They feel so precise compared to the warmer and enjoyable sound of the 660s.
@@mastroitek true they sound thin because they dont have hd6 series warm signature. And yeah 560s have a bit bigger soundstage that personaly i dont prefer. I like small soundstage for music and large for movies and games.
But are they $200 better?
@@88andy Hard to answer if u are Not an audiophile the answer is NO, If u are then yeah . The shame answer that i give to all people asking me are the Focal Clears 1.000 euro better than HD 6XX ??? I say to all it depends for casual people No way , for Audiophiles that want that 10% more and have the money to spend ... Yeah.
I use the 660S with no separate dac or amp. I have one but it's not really required and doesn't really bring much to the table here.
I got the 660S for about 300 Euro and I think they're easily worth the price.
Compare the 560s vs 490 pro please
Thankz for thiz zeview dude,….
no problem dude,....
Can you use a dragonfly with a walkman?
I prefer the hd 650's
I tried both, ended up with hd6xx
I don't get all the praising about 560s, and I returned them. The siblance and metallic taste on the female voices, the lack of imaging (you can only tell from straight sx to straight dx), the narrow soundstage, the uncomfortable pressure on the head... They would be ok for a 100€ price range and very casual listening, not 200.
Also the bold claims by Sennheiser on these... Just ridiculous!
HD 560 S good for mixing and mastering?
I would assume so! :) But better make some research on it.
@@floriangladis bought them yesterday )) will check
Yes xx
Normally the soundstage of the 560s is wider than the ones of the 600 - series including the 660s.
The sound of the 560s is a problem for me because of it's very harsh and overpronounced upper mids / deeper treble at about 5 kHz. This is so annoying for me that they are nearly unlistenable for me without eq. Other people (you for example) don't have any problems with that. And I know some other people who are sharing my opinion. I believe that has got something to do with the individual ear channel frequency resonance.
So, listen to the 560s before buying. Some people have those problems with it, some not.
Listen to the 560s at lower volumes. Problem solved.
You should learn about Equal Loudness Contour. But go ahead be an idiot and ruin your hearing. LOL @@jorgbornefeld1689
The world is full of morons. @@jorgbornefeld1689
Why do you pronounce Sennheiser with a Z? It can't be because your accent because you can clearly pronounce S's in your other words. Just curious.
Haha :D That's the way it is pronounced in German, and since Sennheiser is a German company, I just decided to pronounce it the "correct" way lol :)
hope that helps!
@@floriangladis Yes I see now. Thank you.
"I wanted to buy some very expensive headphones."
*Buys headphones from the second most cheapest price category.*
Well, for most people both of these headphones are pretty expensive. You probably live in a dream world my friend, which is good for you, but for others this video might be useful.
@@floriangladis
True, but in the grand scope, the HD 660s are some of the cheapest Sennheiser Headphones and also some of the cheapest hifi/audiophile headphones, but sure, for "normal" use and "normal" people, they are expensive, but you should have put that detail in the title or the intro.
I love my HD 560s and for anyone who wants to upgrade from crappy normal headphone sound to absolutely beautiful sound, these are a killer value. Even better, if you want an upgrade sometime down the line but really like the sound of the HD 560s, you don't have to buy a new pair, you should buy a DAC and an amp for a total price of what the HD 560s cost or better yet, a bit more, because you will need to spend several hundred $$ before you get the HD 560s to sound the best they can sound.
Good try, but comparing these unamped is pretty silly tbh
Zenheiser???? 😭😭😭😭😭
Yes, that’s how it’s pronounced :D
@@floriangladis lol
HD58x for less than HD560S, yep.
The 560s sound good for a short while, then they will become fatiguing with the weird spikey mid/upper frequencies and lack of bass. You will hate them within a month, at least I did.
Really? I had them for a while now and I am happy. But interesting point, thanks for the comment, maybe it will help someone out there!
I think my 560s's are excellent. I have 600 and 650 as my other references. 560s are brighter indeed but they've never hurt me. The hf chop is pretty standard when you have a look at headphone response graphs in general tbh. Perhaps you are sensitive to a specific hf component these cans output well. Xx
There is more bass in the 560s than the 660s tho
@@floriangladis ordered mine with a lightning to aux cable yesterday, cant wait!
bin ein 560s
Hd 560s are good but too boring and flat, they sound like a dry sock. They have no bass impact, no warmth, no flavour- just a mid high peak ( 4-6k) that pierces your years. They are unlistenable without EQ.
Thats great for classical music tho
HD650 is what you want
Probably because it's a lot cheaper lol
Drinking game: Drink everytime he says HD660s
Zennheiser???🤔
liked :)
"ZZZZZenheiser"
3 to 5% better how did you measure it hhhiii
feeling haha
To me 560s are too neutral/analytical and kind of boring, also comfort is bad cant understand why sennheiser put that bump inside the cup/drivers, my ears touch them. Had to return them and keep the 6xx.
660s are overpriced, both the 600 and 650 are better
Good video mate
Thanks man, yea the bump.. I know what you are talking about, but fortunately my ears don't touch it. :D
They sound really good on my LG V60 with the quad dac. But I will add they may not sound as good with poorly recorded music. So its a give/take there. They will sound just crazy good with well recorded material and worse with poorly recorded stuff. Which is to be expected with anything with a flatter response. But overall, I'm blown away with the 560S. Many say these are better overall then the 600's with more bass. But you have to have a dac or enough power to drive them at 120 ohms. My LG seems to handle these with ease.
Yep 660s worst in the 6x0 line
650 are the best
You gotta use amp to fully operate them.
They basically need more electricity than just your computer power. Kinda useless video.
Well, I would argue that this video is not useless for all the people that want to buy these headphones and don't want to buy an extra amp. I still use them without an amp and they work perfectly fine, for everything I need them for. So maybe the video is useless for you, but there are many other videos on TH-cam that review them with an amp. Take a look at those.
@@floriangladis My bad. I did more research and found that they work fine or enough even without an amp. I take the statement back and aplogize. But still, I believe both of them need an amp to operate to full extent as it was engineered.
@@telecast712 You are absolutely right! If you want to use them to their full potential you definitely need an amp. No worries mate :)
Anyone running focurite scarlett solo with HD660S? Whats ur impression anyway on this combo?
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