The SA58 in Ready or Not
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2023
- A fan favourite, the SA58 OSW is a weapon well known for it's power in CQB. Firing up to 20 rounds of 7.62x51 from it's detachable magazines, it has become a mainstay in a number of first person shooters. It is undeniably satisfying to use such a powerful round in close range. But just how effective is this weapon in Ready or Not?
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Imagine chilling with the homies in the crack house, then suddenly you get zooted with a 308 from 3 meters.
the fk is a meter?
nothing important. just part of a superior system of measurement @@RilaAudio
@@MRFLOPPYmr Oh, you mean metre. I mean sure, if you struggle with memory or instinctive measuring.
@@RilaAudio you can say meter or metre whatever you prefer🤷♂️ Guess NASA the whole scientific community and most of the world have memory issues and lack "instinctive measuring" then. Whatever the fuck that even means😂
@@MRFLOPPYmr NASA used both imperial and metric to put man on the moon, big fella.
Metric works if you're a scientist who needs accurate numbers, but most people aren't scientists, and benefit from having a measurement system based on tools or body parts everyone has access to. You do not need to be taught how long a foot is because you have one. If you're cooking it's pointless to be told how many grams of salt to add when you could just say 2 teaspoons. Every chef knows how much a teaspoon is because it's a physical tool he's familiar with.
As well as this, the imperial system wins out in the practicality game by being based on highly divisible numbers. It's infinitely easier to split a bill, or anything really, with the imperial system.
The metric system was adopted because it allows for extremely high accuracy in a pinch and because it's idiot-friendly, but it lacks the practicality and instinctiveness of the imperial system - which is why the metric system will never to able to fully replace or surpass imperial.
Say what you will about this gun, and about RON, but I instantly fell in love with the way the SA58 was portrayed in RON from the sound design, to the model, to its in-game capabilities.
It's so satisfying to use
it 1 to 2 shots any enemy to the body so yeah it's one of the best guns in the game as far as I am concerned.
probably the best sounding gun in game even in NDA alpha builds years ago
@@EDK105I just wish it wasn't so god damn load, which is why I always run it suppressed. Suppressor cool anyway.
=) my fav too.
Interesting fact: The FAL was originally designed for the .280 british cartridge. The US top brass dug their heels in and said that anything less than a .30 cal is not going to cut it so it was rechambered for 308/7.62x51. The FAL performed worse with the 7.62x51. The project was supposed to be a standardisation across all NATO forces but the US went with M14 and the Germans went with G3 while the rest of the western world went with the American request of the FAL. To add insult to injury, a few years later, the US dropped the M14 for the AR-15 platform in 5.56 even rejecting the AR-10 in favour of the lighter cartridge. We were designing our replacement for the SLR/FAL with the 4.85mm IW (SA80) which was a rework from the EM2 which was origionally designed for the .280 British round. The 4.85mm was far superior but again we redesigned it in 5.56 as the US dug their heels in on STANAG so we got the L85/L86.
To add further insult to injury, the US has now adopted a round that is more along the lines to the .280 British cartirdge that we proposed nearly 80 years ago. Had the FAL been accepted by the US in .280 British, it would probably still be in service across all of NATO to this day, probably in the SA58 style configuration. But there we go, politics always gets in the way of a good idea.
Politics and small arms development, a timeless combo
The Germans wanted to adopt the FAL, but FN refused to let them be produced on license in germany, so they looked for a replacement that could be manufactured locally. another funny thing that happened in this whole situation.
That's the US for you, everyone else in NATO is too afraid to challenge the big, dumb guy and instead they decide to suck up to him, i hope i'm wrong but you'll see how in a few years NATO will decide to standarize the 6.8x51mm round and right after that the US will say: Nah, we'll now adopt this 6.9x42mm round
@@Ananonymousguy-nk9oj there is certainly precident for it but I pretty much doubt it. They'll probably take the mcx5 and make it dual chamber in 5.56 and 7.62 and we'll be back to the start all over again
@@civilianuseonly I'll say one name
G11
With a mod that gives it long barrel and wooden furniture and turns the Beretta into a Hi-Power , I can roleplay as the Argentinian Military .
FAL with wood furniture is the hardest vibe
Brits used the same
@@RilaAudio nope, the British variant was fitted with polymer furniture and had no full-auto option
@@SupremeLeaderKyloRenthe Canadians had the wood version, with the hi-power
@@jazzhandsparten aye, same as Aussies if I reckon correctly, but neither of them were Brits
American cop: 7,62 Is VeRy LeThAL yOu CaNt UsE iT!!!!
Brazilian cop: casually walking with a FN FAL
Believe it or not,US cops wouldn't mind.
Karens would though. Cause it's too "Militaristic".
@@raspiankiadothey have nifhr vision and m4s wirh suppressors along with shotguns dont thinm the police will sacrafice their capability
@@raspiankiado LAPD SWAT has used 7.62x51 since the 80's derp.
Literally every first world law enforcement uses smaller calibres for standard issue. Its not an american thing.
Argentine Police had FALs until 2012 as standard issue weapon for disadvantageous situations, then "human rights" organizations made the goverment dispose the FALs. Only SpecOps are users in the Law-Enforcement role
I genuinely cannot put into words how glad I am that the SA-58OSW is in RoN. I have been using this thing since day 1
The "I have had enough of your shit" weapon.
nice pfp, I have the same on twitter. Also agree, I only use this, and the Benelli
Even with a can this thing sounds vicious in-game. I'd love for them to add more 7.62 NATO/.308 rifles into the game even though I'm aware most police precincts don't really stock or even use them.
Police don't stock them because they stupidly don't want to kill the bad guy, the neighbors dog, and shoot the TV in the hotel room across the street.
I mean... not State-side or in Europe. But... in Brazil they do not even bat an eye or flinch at the thought of having FALs being used in favelas were the most stout building material is the occasional brick and sheet metal.
The SCAR-H is the first example that comes into my mind
DT MDR in 308
@@Charles-wu3hw i would love that
I love it because the 308 makes enemies fully realize AND recognize they got absolutely zooted
I love playing this thing with a muzzle brake, and seeing my team mates visibly flinch beside me.
Free tinnitus is funny
I think one of the overlooked upside of this gun is the concussive effective it has on the suspects. When it fires, its loud gun sound should apply certain amount of suppression to the suspects so they rethink their choices. However, this upside is debatable since no one tested this.
Definitely a close contender to the draco pistols that are circulating within the blackmarket, sometimes you just need to fight fire with fire.
The shock wave from rifles in confined spaces hits the shooter too, I especially felt it in my eyes. Wrap around eye pro or googles help, it seems like more conventional glasses don't; I think the shock rebounds off of the inside of conventional glasses into the eyeball. Its hard to shoot with shock wave slapping your eyeballs. Driving while people fire rifles out of a vehicle is an experience (I misspent my youth in the Army).
It's loud af, tons of times louder than a 9mm, the blast and the even louder sound barrier crack would be hell of a deterrence by themselves
I fucking love the FAL in general, FAL fans rise up
Beast of a caliber, beast of a gun.
British Army should honestly just go back to the FAL
I didn't even realize my favorite gun in CoD:BLOPS was also my favorite gun in RoN.
I love the SA58. I have 2 modes for it. LMG and Sniper. 20 rounds of 7.62 at full auto will clear a fucking hallway and NVGS with a big scope really rocks in the new Port Hokan map. The ability to just drop someone to the floor in a shot or two is so handy when you are taking fire or being ambushed
your videos are PURE quality. may your subs increase tenfold this year as it is well deserved :-)
It irks me so god damn much that the FN FAL isn't in more games and movies. It irks me more than I care to admit.
You use the MP7 for it's armor negation, you'd also use the P90 for the same thing. You use the FAL for armor negation and body negation, its for when you want the suspect to not only die but die quickly no matter the armor.
SA-58 is love. SA-58 is life.
Muzzle Brake is the Patrician's choice. Nothing makes the bad guy think twice more than the big shoota.
Loud with the power to back it up.
How I play Ready or Not >> Pepperball or beanbag to start out. After a couple tries bump up to the mpx, p90, or mp10. Try some more before going to mk18 or 556 of some sort. If I'm still not getting it, go to the lvar for 300 blk. Usually the Lvar does really well and gets me through missions without dying, but Ides of March took me 42 tries to solo with an A rank. I had to use the SA-58. That's my go to gun if I can't seem to get it without dying. When I do use it, it's got ap rounds with a break on it. No more messing around when that guy comes out. Great gun and I'm glad they have 762 in the game
You might enjoy watching some Controlled Pairs Gaming videos, they are great to pick up CQB basics. Applying those you will die a lot less. You might also enjoy the "no crack for you" mod that nerfs the suspects a bit so they don't 360 noscope you across the map so frequently. Happy hunting!
In Brazil is a normal caliber for the officers. Any street officers have one here. We call this one “PARAFAL”.
great video as always
thank you!
3:05
FN FAL is NOT a semi auto rifle.
It is Full auto rifle with sellect fire.
There are Semi auto only versions of the rifle , but as a base rifle FAL is sellect fire. aka , Full auto AND semi auto.
Great video as always! Keep up the good stuff
Also been loving the airsoft stuff so i was wondering if youd post airsoft "gameplay" videos aswell or just the review type vids?
Thank you! For gameplay, not for now since I don't have a gopro setup. Perhaps in the future
Hell yeah! The Right Arm of the Free World!
one of my go to weapons in the whole game
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I just came from garand thumbs video, I do wanna say I live in Australia where airsofts or hell nerf guns are conterversial, so my knowledge isn’t too great. But on his video this gun is classed as a pistol because of the brace and that had be losing my shit. A gun that shoots a 7.62X51 is classified as a pistol a battle pistol yeah that make sense.
The reason the SA58 is here is probably because Los Suenos is basically a warzone. Things are so desperate that they'll give the cops the deadliest weapons possible because in a city this bad, you'll probably need it.
I have an Airsoft version of the SA58. I have the 30rnd extended magazine for it which I really like the look of when it is in my SA58. Mine is the version with the polymer handguard and a 16in barrel.
Always a gun I've wanted to mess with
What a nice video!
Here on te Brazil we use te model Parafal and the Model FN FAL is the regular rifle of our army and Police he is a 7.62x51mm
I use this weapon a lot, and most of time I only get to use 2 mags at the end of the mission.
In a nutshell, THIS GUN SLAPS!
SA58 in my experience is situational. Very strong in the right scenarios but suffers in the wrong ones.
My top choice for tougher bigger maps like postal service, port and maybe farm. But weak in CQB because small mag cap and high recoil. General rule of thumb for me is to use the OSW for larger maps and to use the Benelli for CQB. Although the Benelli is still usable even at range.
I've been enjoying the 870 CQB myself. Granted it's a little slow firing being a pump action. But damn it hits hard against unarmored targets.
I actually love the gun, even just for its feeling. When you emergency reload and rack the bolt, there is No other gun even close as good to it. And the sound, it just hits hard, in game and as the player.
I didn't play the game, but I did shoot with it. There's no need to rack the charging handle (is non-reciprocating, thus no attached to the bolt), it has a bolt hold-open latch just like an AR. Empty mag? Just drop it with your right index, put the fresh one in and release with thumb
@@damianlopez8141 alright what
You activated me now listen
So no need to rack the bolt, ok, ik bolt catch exists. But I'm talking about the in game animation
I'm in Germany and while ik a lot about guns I can't own shit here
Also how does a non reciprocating bolt have anything to do with not racking the bolt
Non reciprocating just means that the bolt handle doesn't move BACK with the bolt cycling. You can still very much pull back the bolt handle and take the bolt with it
Oh and I just want to add I don't want to front you or anything in that way. You might just not have communicated your point clearly enough or I didn't understand it properly
Just pls don't be offended lmao
You're in Germany, with a collector's license (as an example) you can own many guns that Americans can't. Fully automatic rifles, belt-fed machineguns, submachineguns among other things. German gun laws are actually really good and allow for quite a lot of gun ownership while more heavily restricting the weapons that are actually dangerous to the public which are pistols.@@Crystalcluster
@@102ndsmirnov7 yes, that's true, but actually acquiring such licenses is quite expensive and a complicated process.
Oh and also may I ask for your sources? Are you German?
I'm Bulgarian but lived in Munich my entire life.
Joerg Sprave has a good video on the subject titled "Can Germans Have Guns? (Weapon Laws In Germany)"
@@Crystalcluster
Hey nice video, I think you should do one about the GA416 (in-game: HK416)
After I used this gun in game, I went right onto DSA's website as well as some forums to read up on reviews, and sadly found that it seems theres a serious quality control issue with DSA. Numerous problems with reliability.
I own an actual SA58 OSW. Great weapon platform. It’s got some weight to it
Best weapon to end engagements fast, but not if you need living suspects. When you showed the ides of march gameplay and explained the strategy, I got flashbacks, because i was stuck on this mission for a long time. Every time I tried to not kill them, they ate 1-2 7.26 boolets and still had the audaciry to shoot at me. I wouldn't reccomend this strategy, especially when you are playing alone.
In the 1.0 LSPD you can see a display case on the left of the entrance holding an m14, an m1911(I think) and a classic swat helmet. The plaque on the case details the events of an officer who basically lead a swat platoon to dissable a nuke in LS. These officers had to switch their weapons to m14s, a 308 battlerifle, since rounds from their smgs and ar-platform rifles were ineffective against the terrorists body armor. After reading this I wouldn't be suprised if LSPD adopted 308 as a cqb cartridge in light of that event.
I kind of find the idea of going throught the Vinyard Level with not only lighly armored but also lightly clad cultists with a 7.62×51mm round as ... overpowered.
Not so much of a fan of traditional looking guns, but I love the FAL/SA-58 in this game. Both aesthetics and function. I do hope we get more 7.62 NATO alternatives though, even though it is not what I'd think of as a traditional law enforcement/close quarters cartridge.
Nah, we need a Colt Monitor.
@@InvidiousIgnoramus Colt Monitor would rock. Kinda want the M-14 too, since there's a ceremonial one in the headquarters. Just for giggles
can you do theSr-16 next please i love your videos
This and the tiny barrel AK should add concussive effect on the user if fired indoors and without suppressor.
This is a cool series. I wonder what you'll say about the F90, LVAR, MP5/10mm, UMP-45, and SPC.
as far as smgs go, it's the chad stock mp5a2 users vs. the world.
I can't believe I'm the one saying this, but:
The future is now, old man!
@@RilaAudio Especially with 1.0 that added the '99 SWAT outfit, the MP5A2 is just THE mandatory weapon to use :D
Oh yes. The MP5A2 and 90’s SWAT outfit is the proper aesthetic.
Meh, it is not going to excite me until we actually get the '99 motorcycle helmet-style helmet that may or may not have been an existing functioning ballistic helmet. And based on promotional art, not in-game graphics!
you should make a video on the f90!
Not sure if this was mentioned later because I'm commenting in the middle of the video but another reason this weapon and other short barreled 308 caliber rifles aren't used is because 308 doesn't perform well out of a short barrel. 308 needs a full length barrel to really be effective otherwise you're just using a heavier bullet, with more recoil, and noise with no advantages. 5.56, 300 BO and 7.62x39 all perform better than 308 out of shorter barrels. However its a video game and the fantasy of cqb with a 10 inch cannon is awesome nonetheless.
Very true, though I love the look of sbr. 308s
Games gotta start letting players wildcat their shit, gibsmedat .338 OSW and .375 HK51K already.
"No advantages" is an overstatement. It doesn't perform well compared to longer barreled 7.62 NATO. It's still 7.62 NATO. Getting smacked with one of those is still gonna do way more damage than a 5.56 and exponentially more than 9mm.
Fn 49 amd Fal developed by same man ,Dieudonne Saive at FN ,he was one of Brownings diciples.
Would love them to implement the CAR into the game!
i mean realistically if you want more than the 20 round mag you can use a 30 you dont really have to go prone in cqb so its doesnt matter much
I struggle with knowing when to use AP vs JHP with the SA58... is 7.62 JHP enough against lightly armoured targets, or should I still use AP?
I would always use AP since they both incapacitate/kill in 1 shot if the target has no armor, and with armor JHP takes 3 or more shots against the best body armor in game
In my experience JHP kills anything in 1-2 shots including the most heavily armoured enemies. I've found AP generally does the same. Tbh I don't know if there's much of a difference.
I mean, you say it's not practical and yet in Commander mode it's been the reason our group have taken back more incap'd than dead. It's really down to how and where you shoot, and we've got decent trigger discipline between us.
Is it because of the concussive effect from the sound of the gun?
I use this one on missions that are pissing me off. I'll go in with nothing but mags, no supressor, and heavy armor. Mag dump from the hip in full auto.
Here's hoping that Void will also add a G3 rifle too, to make it stand out from the FAL is adding a HK-79 grenade launcher as a choice that can shoot less lethal nades
Idk we got the G36C, which was the (eventual) successor addressing all the requests/feedback for the G3 and subsequent models.
Maybe if we got a map with a marksman position, but at that point just add the MSG90. The HK33A2 seems like a better option if you wanted a longer G3 derivative.
HK79 would be sick, but idk if the devs would something that proprietary, especially when it might undermine the MGL & hand thrown utility. I could see them adding a more universal model of UBGL, but probably not the HK79.
I'm personally hoping for some more thematic vintage guns to be added like the SG552, Sterling SMG, and MAC-10. All widely adopted and iconic, the 552 is a staple of SWAT games, and those two SMGs are famous for having very unique looking silencers - big opportunities for the sneaky beaky.
G3 doesn't makes sense at all for RoN.
@@DraxTheDestroyer It makes more sense than the sa58 does many law Enforcment agencies in the US used g3s and hk33s, also the g3 is way better than the fal
Fun fact the SA 58 was a modernization of the FAL you can have the original length shorten and all of that personally never like seeing it in media because people get confused about the actual og FAL and the SA 58 different companies made this and one is British
Yeah, he says that.
@@0lionheart didn’t watch in full at the time
I started using it only cuz of lound sound that gives me more immersy
SR-61 is the god tier of weapons.
I'd love to see some AR-10s in this game
One thing you got it wrong, SA58 is a compliance device when firing full auto with muzzle break blindly 🤣
It's got reputation for killing comms in Park Holmes especially because we're sure as shite ain't no crackheads down there packing that kind of heat. Debrief is usually "Who tf fired full auto again with SA58 without a bloody can?", I mean I/we don't dictate gear but jfc - I can't hear shite if you don't put a can on SA58 lmao. Would love to see 7.62 NATO guns more but SA58 is a bit too CQB, currently it's being a placeholder for SCAR-H and SIG SPEAR. It doesn't outperform intermediate cartridge in practicality, but if preference and style given, suppressed SA58 with LVPO works well enough - coming from someone who played on controller and has hand injury.
Not a suggestion, nor criticism: Editing has been less memey, I appreciate historical and in-game insights and strategies. Not sure if intentional or not. I'm supportive of whichever direction you prefer. I enjoy both.
I've been enjoying finding interesting stories about the guns when I do research for these videos (AKs being used by American police in Alaska), which means less time for memes. Personally,I find it more meaningful than memes but will continue to experiment
@@civilianuseonly Some suspects do have substantial body mass comparable to other states nation wide, 5.56 couldn't bear with.
I don't remember how AK performs in snow but I doubt being state-county level asking for a modernish AR18-style operating system in 7.62x39 would go so well when the rest of the states just only got a hand on decked-out AR15. AK is probably well-tested enough.
Even in real life I'd rather have a modernized FAL like this than a SCAR-17. The SCAR really failed to live up to the hype.
What kind of modern rifle manufacturer voids the warranty if you run a suppressor? Why does the SCAR not have a suppressor gas setting like a lot of WAY less expensive rifles?
And why did FN have to use modified FAL magazines as the basis for the Heavy mags? They could have just used the SR-25 magazine pattern, but noooo.
AK is designed to perform well in snow and it performs exceptionally. It's Soviet after all.@@justgunsolid
0:24 that is a heckler and koch (h&k) g3 battle rifle, not the FN (Herstal) fal, sure, there is a fn fal in the top right corner but by the way the image is put it looks more like it highlights the g3, they do look similar at a glance though
If there was the ability to put shorter barrels on this thing, why even bother running flash bangs
Might as well use a HK/MC 51
Anybody who suppresses this gun is doing it injustice
The only acceptable gun on valley of the dolls
Thats not even hard, wait till you get to do Relapse.
@@alextrainor2552 he's talking about their pedo things
I wanted to bring a flamethrower. Ya know, as a stealth alternative, being so nice and quiet.
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0:23 am I wrong what I saw that time was a psg-1 and some hk g3?
The furthermost one was bearing a FAL
i love spam firing it with max volume causing irreversible hearing damage 😊
Tinnitus is funny
brazil?
Its the only primary I use, with the scope it makes the closest this game has to a marksman rifle, popping dudes from line of sight with ease.
Its low mag size does not matter as much if that first round drops the target.
As swat, we are going into rough situations, unlike a beat cop, when shots are fired there are usually way more hostiles than civilians in the area.
arn would be cool video next
Im ur 3921st sub
"How good is the SA-58 in Ready or Not?"
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Something like this.
Tried it out in beta and have never gone back. It's just way too much fun to *know* that two shots will take down a suspect with a loud-ass crack that will never fail to scare the shit out of my girlfriend every time I play while she's in my room.
The perfect rounds for this game would be 300BLK or 10mm.
...even though it will suck against body armor.
whenever im tired of the BS ai in this game, i switch to the sa58 bc it packs such a big punch
My issue with it in this game is it never seems to drop people in 1 shot like its a fuckking 308 round it should putting dudes on their ass
Yupp, I feel the same way. Jonathan Ferguson immediately pointed that out in his video on RON.
@@Rake5k it bugs me that the devs still never fixed that despite that being the biggest issue with it
@@garretwoeller7669 I agree but I'm not surprised. I mean... look at all the stuff that's still broken like the replay system etc . They have to prioritize and it's probably just a handful of people like you and be who think this should be changed. So it's probably very low on the list.
Added challenge i like with this gun is running only JHP since police rarely get AP
You didn't mention it, but you also accrue style points by using a venerated battle rifle to dispatch foes. Crackheads and criminals fear the right arm of the free world.
My least favorite assault rifle. Good single fire mode but auto fire more is hell. Besides, the significant damage dealt by this rifle is too much imo and sometimes could 1 shot 1 kill when I was trying to arrest the suspects
Lol .308 in CQB is the way lol shhhh stop taking lol 😂
30hate🔥
Ak47 and accuracy is an oxymoron
1/10
not nearly enough pic rails
Fal is stupid for law enforcement, waaaay too much penetration.
And yet the Brazilian and Indian police use this
@@brawler5760 Because they can't afford the newer stuff.
762 54 ****
7.62x54mm is the dimensions of the Russian rimmed bullet used in guns like the Mosin, SVD, or PKM. The nato caliber used in the DS arms SA58 is 7.62x51.