Thank you for the review Mickey! To address some of your concerns: 1) The new shock is 38RC which is actually an upgrade to the 36RC. Here is some info from the Shock manufacturer: "QUALITY: Air shock is much lighter than coil shock. This is a great upgrade from the old shock. It is precisely CNC machined to ensure no air or oil leaking. The negative air valve could possibly touch some frames, so DNM developed the new 38RC shock without negative air valve." 2)We know of all the issues and they will be fixed. We know you'll be happy with the result!
I'm not sure we will agree about the shock. I beleive you should have gone with a shock that has auto-negative chamber. It makes the ride more supple and safer too. customers won't have to have a 2nd valve since its auto.
Can you make a list of what you're changing and make an official statement about these pre-production models and the differences between final product. What are you doing to keep up with the competition and ensure customers of a worthwhile purchase? We all want something that'll be of value for a couple of years at least. A youtube comment or two isn't convincing enough. Set up an interview, post some photos of production, get some hype going. Please.
@@danh8245 it's kingsong. Of course it's going to be worthwhile and they have an excellent history when it comes to quality. Gotway is the brand we need to question as almost every model has had failures within weeks of release Yes I know 16x had problems but this was unusual for kingsong and everyone makes mistakes. I'm sure ks will have everything right before they ship them. Ks have had 1 model with problems, gw have had 1 model that hasn't had problems
King Korey Your royal Highness I’m in east london and not a rider yet but would love to find out more about EUC’s and meet ups, if you know of any could you get in touch please?
Excellent in depth review Mickey. I still find it surprising that range is limited for a wheel, with such a smooth ride. V11 still the current favourite suspension wheel for me. Then again I'm mainly a tarmac rider, so questioning the need for suspension anyway 🤔. Thank you & stay safe!😎🙏
To answer your question... both of my sons are overdue for upgrades... I''ll be picking one up in sping of 2021, then perhaps anothe in the fall. On your review... GREAT review man. I like the detail and objectiveness. I'll tell you what though... knowing the skepticism you went into this with, and your penchant for speed, your final thoughts are quite the endorsement. That must be one hell of a ride. This has me really excited for this wheel... but even more so, for the future EUC models based upon it... THAT, with a little advancement in battery tech, could check ALL the boxes... if you get my drift. Finally... thank you for all of your time and effort in providing your amazing insight in service to the community.
I don't have a lot of spare cash for this sport/hobby and it takes me some time to save up. With that being said I can't express how important and valuable an honest review is for me. Had the S18 had just a little more battery life and a tad bit (35mph/56kph) speed, I would have kept my preorder. While I am not a 45+ mph rider I did however put my money on the Veteran Sherman. Thank you for the detailed and honest review Mickey!
This is a wheel meant for beginner/intermediate riders like myself, not for speed demons and longtime riders. I'm sure that after the success of this wheel, a high cost high performance S18 will be developed. Personally the lack of speakers and RGB lighting is not a problem, as I wouldn't really use speakers and RGBs can make a wheel seem like a toy rather than a legit commuter device. I'm not really worried about the rain, but I am worried about dust and how well the exoskeleton design different kinds of riders with different body dimensions and riding styles. Like Hsiang said, as long as the production models don't have problems this wheel is going to be very popular
Don't let the gotway boys make you think any less of kimgsong, this wheel is as good a wheel as any gotway and 50km/h is a fairly decent speed. Those speed demonds hitting the slightly higher speeds because gotway last people push the wheel until it shuts off on them. Kingsong leaves safety buffer so we don't fall.
I'd rather a quality safe wheel that does 50 over a dodgy wheel that is probably gona drop me at 60 any day. I could choose gotway buy I'm not an idiot. Not everyone that plays Russian roulette shoots themselves in the head. Buying gotway is effectively pulling that trigger and 5 out of 6 won't blow their brains out but 1 in 6 will I won't take stupid risks with my life The trick to never losing Russian roulette is to not play When someone chooses gotway over kingsong they are taking the same un-necessary risk with their life gotway takes when they sell people crap wheels workout testing them properly. Sorry for the rant, have been sent a heap of fresh gotway failure posts this week and I worry about the safety of my feĺllw riders
Mickey, do you know why I love this EUC community? It’s not just, because the EUC is the best form of transport known to mankind. It is the 💯 % transparency from this channel, and so many other enthusiast. You could have easily sold your soul for a few crumbs, but you DIDN’T. You remained true to the unspoken oath of the community, which is the constant vertical pursuit of unwavering engineering. I would honestly trust you with my wife. I appreciate King Songs attempt to answer the concerns of the community. Eventually, King Song will be able to address all of the S-18’s shortcomings, but this will not be my 2020 wheel. The wheeI I am choosing for 2020 will be the Inmotion V-11, because it checked more boxes than the S-18. I will also pick a second wheel, but the second wheel will be more difficult to choose. It will be between the Veteran Sherman or Gotway Monster Pro. If Gotway doesn’t match the speed and range of the tank, I will have to jump ship for the Sherman. Many Thanks
@@evXNYC My exact thoughts. Altough the suspension does not provide as much friction as S18. It does provide some comfort and safety elements just like S18 and you get a FLAGSHIP wheel on top of that.
@@aceuni-rider6921 how would you know that the V11 suspension is ”poor”? Has any of the reviews mentioned this? or have you ridden and reviewed the wheel yourself? because if you haven't, I think it's a bit too early to declare anything at the moment.
Thank you! Wonderful and honest review. I did pre-order the S18 rather than the V11 knowing that I can upgrade the shock easily . I just love the look and the suspension of the S18. I bought a 18XL 2 weeks ago and put on 450km already. I am a big friend of riding safety and comfortably on and off road. Not a single drop on my 18 XL yet... touch wood
Hi Mr eVX. Awesome vidéo as usual. Kingsong S18 looks very cool and suspension are welcome for safety driving but i thinks S18 bas been built for extreme practice and not for all day working. (Limiteless light and cross bike suspension architecture). I am waiting for your test on inmotion v11. 🇫🇷
Awesome review. Will you get it? Personally I would get it for the innovation and offroading as you stated because I miss mountain biking, I just don't want to carry around a bike all the time
Full and fair review! I love its looks and am not so bothered about the speed and range. Build quality and multi-terrain performance are my big concerns, plus being able to handle well in UK weather conditions, so I'm really waiting on a head to head comparison with the V11 before I dive in.
evX Dude! Thank you so much for such a brutal review. Very much needed. After watching so many EUC videos the one thing I have learned is if your knees are not in the best shape or you have lower back issues; Suspension is a MUST! I really was hoping that I could get away with MSP (almost put a down payment for this) but a couple reviewers explained the importance of suspension and how that would not just give a more convenient ride but seriously make the ride so much safer and less stressfull on the body. Didn’t know that riding EUC’s can have that much impact on a rider. Thanks to Duf’s review of the S18 I learned so much from his experience. I have the same knee and back issues he has. With that aside, there have been great super positive reviews on the KS-S18. But your review just rips this wheel apart...and it should. Wheels need to stand up to such scrutiny. So, Thank You. With that in mind I am looking so forward to your reviews on the V11. Please be as brutal! It is my hope that you end up liking the V11 better. I heard rumor that Inmotion will be raising the speed from 31mph to 35mph. Will that help extend the range? Well if the EWheels site is correct 60 mile range is good enough for me but more is always good. Let’s hope you do get that 60 mile range. I care the most about hill climb and range more than speed. Add to that, I now equally care about suspension. Here’s to your V11 review.
The v11 confirmed has 34.8 mph. Fast speed unit decreases range btw. I can tell you that a 2200wh motor is gonna have decent hill climb ability so I think you’re gonna like this V11.
So on one hand, I'm a huge KS fan, and am going to support their progressive design - but on the other, I fully admit, the 2nd and 3rd version of this wheel will likely be superior. Eh, I want this ASAP - regardless
Man, shock or no shock, your review of this wheel was just fun to watch first and foremost. You did an excellent job with the editing and how you framed the content around sweet ride footage, transitions, luts, glamour shots, you nailed it. Well done!
Haha thanks! However i never use LUTS. I’m a colorist. That’s my day job. We have a sign at the post-house I run: no LUTS allowed!! Haha (my YT channel is where i try wild stuff so sometimes i over cook the color trying wild things)
Typical KS attitude nothing that we are not use to it already bro. Thank you to be honest like I try to be on my videos.. Once again amazing video bro.. You are the man.. ;)
I kind of like it... but V11 please me more comparing both. We got also a good suspension, and not the downside of the battery and speed. It gave us a more high end wheel, now with suspension.I will not change my Nikola 100v 1845wh by this... well,l also should not change it for V11 probably.. but V11 have specs that I can accept on a experience rider that have a wheel like Nikola.. I don't what to compromise so much on range and speed for sure.. nice review
Thanks, Mickey, for the honest review! So, KingSong replaces an important component that defines the S18 wheel, with a much cheaper and worse one: SUSPENSION! I mean, I pre-order the S18 based on some specifications, including double-chamber air suspension, then KingSong changes with a shit and asks for the same money ... A little SCAM from KingSong. Never, but I will NEVER pre-order any wheels from KingSong!
It's a tough one, especially when in most places outside China, the price is the same for v11... KS are usually faster and slightly better and more expensive, but seems like we might have the opposite for a change.
Appreciate the review, would be awesome if you could get your hands on a V11 and do a comparison I have this on pre order I won't be doing much if any offroad but the roads I drive on are pretty bad in most parts which is why I want the suspension
@@evXNYC Do you have an ETA when you releasing it ? I enjoy your honest review so hoping it can help me in sorting out the decision between the S18 and V11
The S18 (v1) may not be perfect but let's not forget about the EUC's current engineering progress that has now been breached with the introduction of suspension, hopefully things can only get better hereon in!? Looking to the future as a speed freak that I am I would wait for the Gen2/V2 of either the Veteran and/or Monster Pro? Time will reveal everything!
Maybe it's only my pain, but the music between speech is too loud. I had to twitch volume up and down each cut. Eventually I've put my headphones on, where speech is clear enough to listen on moderate volume. Other than that, I like the review, thank you.
Great video, I enjoyed it. From me you get huge bonus points for being honest, authentic, and fully geared! Here's a little story for ya: the past few days I've been torn between ordering the Leatt GPX 4.5 Hydra, or the Lazyrolling Armored Hoodie. Back and forth I have weighed the value of each piece, over and over, and just could not decide. You just pushed me over the edge and I ordered the Leatt! Keep up the good work I am really interested to see how you are liking the V11.
Thanks, nice to hear that you are still happy with the pads. 👍😊 Last days I made 2 different prototype pads for S18. Maybe next week I'll know if the pads matches the shape of the shell correctly and are working good. Mickey used on this S18 the Nikola pads. 😀
OUTSTANDING Review, real Purdy, all movie-like an whut-not 👌🏽 I'll have to skip this iteration. Hopefully, King Song will make adjustments like in motion did in terms of range and speed for the second generation 🤔 the 16X was my 1st (and learner) wheel, I LITERALLY just got the MSP 2000w on this past Tuesday (Thanx eWheels! 😁) and put down the pre-order deposit on the Sherman as soon as Jason posted availability (so was REALLY happy with the positive reviews thus far) but know me and all of these wheels would be on the streets if I tried to fit in one more and the wife found out! 😳😂 The Monster Pro though...🤔 I may have to spend a week or two in the spare room for that one! (and I've heard unsubstantiated word on the yard that IT'LL have suspension too)
You always have amazing cinematography. I just subscribed ✅ Thank you for the review! I went with my gut instinct and ordered an InMotion V11 instead which has more battery and thinner more conservative Toyota feeling design. I’m looking forward to your review of that as well!
Heyyooo Mick, nice video dude.. you were in my hood. That park is literally 4 minutes from my house. Awesome review bro. That is one sexy wheel. It needs better specs tho. I'm still probably gonna get a version of the s18... after all of the foreseen and unforeseen problems that the initial release is bound to have.
Fun fact: i went to high school on this hood. And went to Ren-fair at this park once. That was weird lol. But Deerfield was kinda joke to me for 4 years of my life.
Ex Gotway and Gotway Ex are serious compitition, So is Inmotion V11 but I want exactky what I see here. Also Chooch videos are impressive, its the dirt track "kangaroo fun" Im totally after --- Great video man music, filming and cutting its very professional and informative.
Nice review, great production of your video, though not sold on this one. I’ll sit back, eat some popcorn and see what else comes down the pike. Going back to NYC soon?
I was about to buy a s18 but sadly decided I need the range, want the speakers and dual charge port so I went with ks16x and getting a ks14d for a trick wheel
Yeah, I have the 16X and the missing fast charge possibility with at least 8A to compensate the thiny battery is the main reason why I will not order the S18
Great video! I am a newb and just picked up an MTen3 for getting better on. I was able to see this wheel in person in a big San Francisco group ride with Alien Rides. People were excited to ride it but no one would have traded their current power EUCs for it. People were also not happy with speed wobbles that were there for many especially going downhill in San Francisco. I will wait until I have the skills to justify a high-end EUC. I am more interested in the Veteran. I will get my speed rush from one of my power scooters until then. Take care.
Very informative and nicely done, as usual. I own a ks16s and I can’t help but look forward to a ks wheel that gets up to 38m/h at least. At the moment the nikola 100v is the closest thing to that, but I’m concerned about gotway’s quality standards/ no tiltback-throttling system. I like being able to ride without having to pay attention to a sometimes inaudible beep which, if unnoticed, could cause a cut off at such high speeds.
GotWay has tiltback. Being able to disable it is an expert feature, that should never been allowed to enable as easily as it is now. Sort of like the sideways tilt firmware hack that some trick riders get on demand.
MrDmitryC yeah I guess but gotway’s tiltback speed won’t adjust automatically as the battery goes down. Ks wheels do that, making sure there’s a considerable safety margin according to the unit’s battery level. As a matter of fact, it is my understanding Inmotion wheels do that as well, just like the ninebot z. For some reason gotway doesn’t. Besides, the poor build quality reputation gotway’s got is proving to be hard to shake off. That being said, it’s a pity cause I really like some of gotway’s designs and definitely their wheels’ performance.
@@visiop1 , the voltage that many KS wheels start throttling the speed is the voltage where GW stops going forward at all. So there is still enough power in the battery not to require a lower top speed.
When you were talking about the pedal height you flipped the pedal out of frame then left it so we couldn't see it. Just a small detail i noticed that made me chuckle a little
I like the s18 very. Got a 16s V1 for town comuting, have 70 Km range and love it. Then came 16s V2with some extras. The lesson is wait for the next version to get the improvments. So i will stay with my 16s and wait gen2 of S18 or some similar maby S16 wirh suspension same open frame patern :)
I wanted to make this my first euc but ordered a 16x instead a couple days ago. Still not sure if I made the right decision. I’m the type of guy who would NEVER buy a hard tail mtb over suspension. the s18 is sexy af tho..
I have purchased. First euc. 56 years old. 5' 8" tall and 240lbs in gear. 1600 miles on a Onewheel over a year plus. New subscriber. Live in Michigan, so, bad roads. Sick of awkward nosedives at 20mph with a 90° stance from trajectory. I have a long history of board sports and motorcycle racing/ off roading and I believe my aggression is the main problem. Did I make a good choice for my first euc? Thx 4 the review. It is a big help.
Seems like speed and range are the main complaints, but my V10 only goes 25 mph and has a 650Wh battery, so the S18 would still be an upgrade for me. I'm more concerned about the wobbles that some reviews have mentioned.
Wobbles are more a factor of technique. You need to spend time with any wheel for long enough to learn how it operates. Then adjust your riding style slightly. Generally an offfset or asymmetrical stance solves wobble issues.
Great review! Did you have any comfort issues with your ankles bumping into the crevice next to the pedals? I found it uncomfortable after a bit of riding.
Great review. I wanna pull the trigger on one but my biggest concern is build quality. I’ve seen several other reviewers point out the shotty fit/finish. For $2K I want a tight wheel. Have they gotten it together?
Well, i don't get what battery sacrifice you all talking about: I have KS 18L (wich is the best wheel since 2018, imho), it has 1036 WH battery and it's enough for 60 km of agressive city riding (35-45 km\h) and i still have 3 yellow lights (that another extra 5-10km in slow manner). And this S18 got 1110 WH: so even more battery life then 18L, with the same weight, plus suspension and sexy design!
Seems to me that speed riders don't have KS on their radar, so for any real potential customers it's down to suspension vs range. The two steps back, three forward pace of innovation can be a drag. The reduced range will nag anyone habituated to the baseline for wheels at the $2k price point. It takes away from the 'newest, bestest" feeling you want when you buy a premium wheel. Apple doesn't put out an iPhone with awesome new cameras and 1/2 the battery life. Fantastic review, btw. Wonderful production value.
Gorgeous wheel! I honestly think it will be a super fun wheel for what it can provide. High speed isn’t every thing, every time. I’m very curious to ride it. Any thoughts on the tire? How’s the tire performance on the street? Nice video too!
If you could put suspension on any preexisting wheel which would you choose? Keep in mind that suspension would raise height of any wheel 2-4 inches and I little wider, I'm guessing.....
FK yea its worth it if you like to ride off road like I do. Check my latest play list for 7 miles of grass trails on private property today... it was beautiful. And OMG the roots, mud, bumps... Ican't wait to get my S18 (I'm in batch 1 of ewheels).
It is no “crappier” shock....the preproduction Model uses the DNS 36....which isnt prodcued anymore by DNS. So they use the the newer DNS 38, which has no negative filling chamber, its pre-filled. but still has adjustable positive chamber, the lock knob, and the rebound wheel on top. For the “pre-production” scratch problems and the glue.....these will be fixed. UpToDate the S18 isnt even in production....especially BECAUSE they wait for the feedback of the first reviewers. Saying “i am not sure IF they will fix it” would need to say why....and i just can advise it would be good not to fall for some negatives of other brand sellers...i am nearly sure knowing who tells such a crap :-)
I think I’d do a suspension wheel but it’d need to be quicker, my MSP is my first wheel and I’m finding myself hitting beeps at speeds I’m comfortable with, I wouldn’t buy a slower wheel for main use...
Tbh i didn’t want to dive too deep into that because i recognize the power of my words and how certain wheels can get a bad wrap. So I just wanted to put this out there in hopes KS fixes the issues. (They are well aware of the issues as I had a big meeting with them)
Thank you for the review Mickey!
To address some of your concerns:
1) The new shock is 38RC which is actually an upgrade to the 36RC. Here is some info from the Shock manufacturer:
"QUALITY: Air shock is much lighter than coil shock. This is a great upgrade from the old shock. It is precisely CNC machined to ensure no air or oil leaking. The negative air valve could possibly touch some frames, so DNM developed the new 38RC shock without negative air valve."
2)We know of all the issues and they will be fixed. We know you'll be happy with the result!
I'm not sure we will agree about the shock. I beleive you should have gone with a shock that has auto-negative chamber. It makes the ride more supple and safer too. customers won't have to have a 2nd valve since its auto.
Can you make a list of what you're changing and make an official statement about these pre-production models and the differences between final product. What are you doing to keep up with the competition and ensure customers of a worthwhile purchase? We all want something that'll be of value for a couple of years at least. A youtube comment or two isn't convincing enough. Set up an interview, post some photos of production, get some hype going. Please.
@@danh8245 it's kingsong. Of course it's going to be worthwhile and they have an excellent history when it comes to quality. Gotway is the brand we need to question as almost every model has had failures within weeks of release
Yes I know 16x had problems but this was unusual for kingsong and everyone makes mistakes. I'm sure ks will have everything right before they ship them. Ks have had 1 model with problems, gw have had 1 model that hasn't had problems
@@evXNYC maybe I misread King Songs comment, but it seems like they said the shock it will ship with does not have a valve on the negative chamber
Thank you King Song! Looking forward to my S18. Don’t forget, Canadian shipments first! ;)
I just got the 16x, and I am loving it. I have to admit that the 18S looks sweet. I wouldn’t mind having it, too.
Thanks Mr eVX for an informative and down to earth review. I think this will gobble up east London streets with ease👌🏾👍🏾
King Korey
Your royal Highness
I’m in east london and not a rider yet but would love to find out more about EUC’s and meet ups, if you know of any could you get in touch please?
Excellent in depth review Mickey. I still find it surprising that range is limited for a wheel, with such a smooth ride. V11 still the current favourite suspension wheel for me. Then again I'm mainly a tarmac rider, so questioning the need for suspension anyway 🤔. Thank you & stay safe!😎🙏
I'm not for riding up the side of buildings and all that jazz , just give me power , comfort , range and a seat.
V11 all day long.
Yea alot of riders are just on pavement... So a suspension like v11 is good enough. Better range and speed.
To answer your question... both of my sons are overdue for upgrades... I''ll be picking one up in sping of 2021, then perhaps anothe in the fall. On your review... GREAT review man. I like the detail and objectiveness. I'll tell you what though... knowing the skepticism you went into this with, and your penchant for speed, your final thoughts are quite the endorsement. That must be one hell of a ride. This has me really excited for this wheel... but even more so, for the future EUC models based upon it... THAT, with a little advancement in battery tech, could check ALL the boxes... if you get my drift. Finally... thank you for all of your time and effort in providing your amazing insight in service to the community.
Thanks Robert! Means a lot. And yes - riding my Nikola, it now feels it’s missing something. I’ve been ruined lol.
I don't have a lot of spare cash for this sport/hobby and it takes me some time to save up. With that being said I can't express how important and valuable an honest review is for me. Had the S18 had just a little more battery life and a tad bit (35mph/56kph) speed, I would have kept my preorder. While I am not a 45+ mph rider I did however put my money on the Veteran Sherman. Thank you for the detailed and honest review Mickey!
This is a wheel meant for beginner/intermediate riders like myself, not for speed demons and longtime riders. I'm sure that after the success of this wheel, a high cost high performance S18 will be developed. Personally the lack of speakers and RGB lighting is not a problem, as I wouldn't really use speakers and RGBs can make a wheel seem like a toy rather than a legit commuter device. I'm not really worried about the rain, but I am worried about dust and how well the exoskeleton design different kinds of riders with different body dimensions and riding styles. Like Hsiang said, as long as the production models don't have problems this wheel is going to be very popular
Dust won’t be anymore of an issue than it is for mountain bikes. Just clean your EUC and you’ll be fine.
Don't let the gotway boys make you think any less of kimgsong, this wheel is as good a wheel as any gotway and 50km/h is a fairly decent speed. Those speed demonds hitting the slightly higher speeds because gotway last people push the wheel until it shuts off on them. Kingsong leaves safety buffer so we don't fall.
I'd rather a quality safe wheel that does 50 over a dodgy wheel that is probably gona drop me at 60 any day. I could choose gotway buy I'm not an idiot.
Not everyone that plays Russian roulette shoots themselves in the head.
Buying gotway is effectively pulling that trigger and 5 out of 6 won't blow their brains out but 1 in 6 will
I won't take stupid risks with my life
The trick to never losing Russian roulette is to not play
When someone chooses gotway over kingsong they are taking the same un-necessary risk with their life gotway takes when they sell people crap wheels workout testing them properly.
Sorry for the rant, have been sent a heap of fresh gotway failure posts this week and I worry about the safety of my feĺllw riders
OZ- e-WHEEL which GotWay wheels are the most problematic in your opinion?
Mickey, do you know why I love this EUC community? It’s not just, because the EUC is the best form of transport known to mankind. It is the 💯 % transparency from this channel, and so many other enthusiast. You could have easily sold your soul for a few crumbs, but you DIDN’T. You remained true to the unspoken oath of the community, which is the constant vertical pursuit of unwavering engineering. I would honestly trust you with my wife. I appreciate King Songs attempt to answer the concerns of the community. Eventually, King Song will be able to address all of the S-18’s shortcomings, but this will not be my 2020 wheel. The wheeI I am choosing for 2020 will be the Inmotion V-11, because it checked more boxes than the S-18. I will also pick a second wheel, but the second wheel will be more difficult to choose. It will be between the Veteran Sherman or Gotway Monster Pro. If Gotway doesn’t match the speed and range of the tank, I will have to jump ship for the Sherman. Many Thanks
wow!
The main reason I won't get the V11 is because of its poor execution on suspension, but everything else seems pretty nice with that wheel.
Honestly- without giving too much away... it’s ok that the suspension isn’t amazing. That wheel offers much more
@@evXNYC My exact thoughts. Altough the suspension does not provide as much friction as S18. It does provide some comfort and safety elements just like S18 and you get a FLAGSHIP wheel on top of that.
@@aceuni-rider6921 how would you know that the V11 suspension is ”poor”?
Has any of the reviews mentioned this? or have you ridden and reviewed the wheel yourself?
because if you haven't, I think it's a bit too early to declare anything at the moment.
Thank you! Wonderful and honest review. I did pre-order the S18 rather than the V11 knowing that I can upgrade the shock easily . I just love the look and the suspension of the S18. I bought a 18XL 2 weeks ago and put on 450km already. I am a big friend of riding safety and comfortably on and off road. Not a single drop on my 18 XL yet... touch wood
Hi Mr eVX.
Awesome vidéo as usual. Kingsong S18 looks very cool and suspension are welcome for safety driving but i thinks S18 bas been built for extreme practice and not for all day working. (Limiteless light and cross bike suspension architecture). I am waiting for your test on inmotion v11.
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Awesome review. Will you get it? Personally I would get it for the innovation and offroading as you stated because I miss mountain biking, I just don't want to carry around a bike all the time
Yes
@@evXNYC nice
Yes
Full and fair review! I love its looks and am not so bothered about the speed and range. Build quality and multi-terrain performance are my big concerns, plus being able to handle well in UK weather conditions, so I'm really waiting on a head to head comparison with the V11 before I dive in.
Waiting for the second iteration (the 2.0 version) of the wheel b4 I consider purchasing this wheel.
Nice Review! Appreciate the honest viewpoint of this wheel.. Pretty exciting to see new things coming out!
evX Dude! Thank you so much for such a brutal review. Very much needed. After watching so many EUC videos the one thing I have learned is if your knees are not in the best shape or you have lower back issues; Suspension is a MUST! I really was hoping that I could get away with MSP (almost put a down payment for this) but a couple reviewers explained the importance of suspension and how that would not just give a more convenient ride but seriously make the ride so much safer and less stressfull on the body. Didn’t know that riding EUC’s can have that much impact on a rider. Thanks to Duf’s review of the S18 I learned so much from his experience. I have the same knee and back issues he has. With that aside, there have been great super positive reviews on the KS-S18. But your review just rips this wheel apart...and it should. Wheels need to stand up to such scrutiny. So, Thank You. With that in mind I am looking so forward to your reviews on the V11. Please be as brutal! It is my hope that you end up liking the V11 better. I heard rumor that Inmotion will be raising the speed from 31mph to 35mph. Will that help extend the range? Well if the EWheels site is correct 60 mile range is good enough for me but more is always good. Let’s hope you do get that 60 mile range. I care the most about hill climb and range more than speed. Add to that, I now equally care about suspension. Here’s to your V11 review.
The v11 confirmed has 34.8 mph. Fast speed unit decreases range btw. I can tell you that a 2200wh motor is gonna have decent hill climb ability so I think you’re gonna like this V11.
So on one hand, I'm a huge KS fan, and am going to support their progressive design - but on the other, I fully admit, the 2nd and 3rd version of this wheel will likely be superior. Eh, I want this ASAP - regardless
What's the typical time frame for new models? Like when would you expect a 2nd version?
There’s never a guarantee it will be in any sort of timely or predictable manner.
@@evXNYC Good to know. Love the idea of having a suspension but I'm guessing I should really learn to ride on something like a DS 14D
Man, shock or no shock, your review of this wheel was just fun to watch first and foremost. You did an excellent job with the editing and how you framed the content around sweet ride footage, transitions, luts, glamour shots, you nailed it. Well done!
Haha thanks! However i never use LUTS. I’m a colorist. That’s my day job. We have a sign at the post-house I run: no LUTS allowed!! Haha (my YT channel is where i try wild stuff so sometimes i over cook the color trying wild things)
@@evXNYC Hahaha! No LUTS allowed, I like it! Wish I had that skill!
Either way man, keep up the good work. Very fun content to watch. 10/10.
Excellent review and opinions as usual, Mickey. Thanks!
Thanks again for suffering thru
Typical KS attitude nothing that we are not use to it already bro. Thank you to be honest like I try to be on my videos.. Once again amazing video bro.. You are the man.. ;)
I kind of like it... but V11 please me more comparing both. We got also a good suspension, and not the downside of the battery and speed. It gave us a more high end wheel, now with suspension.I will not change my Nikola 100v 1845wh by this... well,l also should not change it for V11 probably.. but V11 have specs that I can accept on a experience rider that have a wheel like Nikola.. I don't what to compromise so much on range and speed for sure..
nice review
V11
V11 is 4mph faster... you realize that right? And now with the upgraded battery (Molicel P42a cells) they are roughly the same speed.
Great video and super awesome details about the S18. Keep it up! 👽🖖
I have ordered one a few days ago and i can`t wait to get my feet on it.
Thanks, Mickey, for the honest review!
So, KingSong replaces an important component that defines the S18 wheel, with a much cheaper and worse one: SUSPENSION! I mean, I pre-order the S18 based on some specifications, including double-chamber air suspension, then KingSong changes with a shit and asks for the same money ... A little SCAM from KingSong. Never, but I will NEVER pre-order any wheels from KingSong!
when talking about the sacrificed range, there is the inmotion v11, that solves the problem.....:)
It's a tough one, especially when in most places outside China, the price is the same for v11... KS are usually faster and slightly better and more expensive, but seems like we might have the opposite for a change.
Appreciate the review, would be awesome if you could get your hands on a V11 and do a comparison
I have this on pre order I won't be doing much if any offroad but the roads I drive on are pretty bad in most parts which is why I want the suspension
I have had the v11 for a few weeks and that comparison is coming soon
@@evXNYC awesome thanks!
@@evXNYC initial thoughts on V11?
@@evXNYC Do you have an ETA when you releasing it ? I enjoy your honest review so hoping it can help me in sorting out the decision between the S18 and V11
All i can say is soon. This isn’t my full time job. I run a post-production company full time.
The S18 (v1) may not be perfect but let's not forget about the EUC's current engineering progress that has now been breached with the introduction of suspension, hopefully things can only get better hereon in!? Looking to the future as a speed freak that I am I would wait for the Gen2/V2 of either the Veteran and/or Monster Pro? Time will reveal everything!
Another fantastic work of art Mickey. Thanks for the exhilarating visuals and the wheel honesty.
You should have a winning chart after every video.
Maybe it's only my pain, but the music between speech is too loud. I had to twitch volume up and down each cut. Eventually I've put my headphones on, where speech is clear enough to listen on moderate volume. Other than that, I like the review, thank you.
Love the review Mikey as always. Whereabouts did you get the power pads from?
From a guy named frank in Germany. Find me on Instagram and I’ll link you
From me 😁
If you have Facebook, you can find me there. m.facebook.com/groups/134599833910471?view=permalink&id=597861444250972
Thanks for your honest review. It is a good looking wheel.👍
I want to buy but maybe not 1.0? But I don't want to wait either.... Smmhhh
Don't you do it !!!!!!!
Do it
Great, thanks! Need to compare S18 and V11
Coming soon!
@@evXNYC Real soon I hope
excellent as always bro. nice to see some florida trail representation!!
Great video, I enjoyed it. From me you get huge bonus points for being honest, authentic, and fully geared! Here's a little story for ya: the past few days I've been torn between ordering the Leatt GPX 4.5 Hydra, or the Lazyrolling Armored Hoodie. Back and forth I have weighed the value of each piece, over and over, and just could not decide. You just pushed me over the edge and I ordered the Leatt! Keep up the good work I am really interested to see how you are liking the V11.
Liked and subscribed. Thank you for helping me get into EUC's..still debating between S18 and V11 for my first...
Welcome aboard!
FRank's Andreas PPad --- Have Those on my 16x for 2 month ... LOVE IT !!
Thanks, nice to hear that you are still happy with the pads. 👍😊
Last days I made 2 different prototype pads for S18. Maybe next week I'll know if the pads matches the shape of the shell correctly and are working good.
Mickey used on this S18 the Nikola pads. 😀
OUTSTANDING Review, real Purdy, all movie-like an whut-not 👌🏽 I'll have to skip this iteration. Hopefully, King Song will make adjustments like in motion did in terms of range and speed for the second generation 🤔 the 16X was my 1st (and learner) wheel, I LITERALLY just got the MSP 2000w on this past Tuesday (Thanx eWheels! 😁) and put down the pre-order deposit on the Sherman as soon as Jason posted availability (so was REALLY happy with the positive reviews thus far) but know me and all of these wheels would be on the streets if I tried to fit in one more and the wife found out! 😳😂 The Monster Pro though...🤔 I may have to spend a week or two in the spare room for that one! (and I've heard unsubstantiated word on the yard that IT'LL have suspension too)
At the same time I can’t deny the looks it’s very nice I think is the best design in the UC world
You always have amazing cinematography. I just subscribed ✅ Thank you for the review! I went with my gut instinct and ordered an InMotion V11 instead which has more battery and thinner more conservative Toyota feeling design. I’m looking forward to your review of that as well!
I´ve said this elsewhere but... Finally a wheel that doesn´t look lika a Roomba.
Haha and the roomba is my daily driver too.
Awesome review, as usual. I just miss the metric information of the specs all the time. tks!
Heyyooo Mick, nice video dude.. you were in my hood. That park is literally 4 minutes from my house. Awesome review bro. That is one sexy wheel. It needs better specs tho. I'm still probably gonna get a version of the s18... after all of the foreseen and unforeseen problems that the initial release is bound to have.
Fun fact: i went to high school on this hood. And went to Ren-fair at this park once. That was weird lol. But Deerfield was kinda joke to me for 4 years of my life.
@@evXNYC Yes indeed, so you know the deal... I grew up in NY and DC but have been in So Flo for 20 years now. It's still bizarre to me down here.
Ex Gotway and Gotway Ex are serious compitition, So is Inmotion V11 but I want exactky what I see here. Also Chooch videos are impressive, its the dirt track "kangaroo fun" Im totally after --- Great video man music, filming and cutting its very professional and informative.
High maintenance. Would be cool to have detachable battery packs. Take it on a long trail and go camping.
There is a waterskier going at your speed next to you at around 11::46 tis a laff mate. synchronicity very cool
Great video! Thanks for your open and honest review. Hope you're going to get a chance to check out the V11 as well.
I did. Review coming next week
Great review👏👏
New Kingsong wheel's suspension works very well, but the appearance is.. not my taste.
I will wait till that skeleton thing covered. 😄
Quiet Waters Park just isn't the same after Hurricane Wilma. I grew up in Deerfield Beach and remember when Quiet Waters was a quarry.✌
Nice review, great production of your video, though not sold on this one. I’ll sit back, eat some popcorn and see what else comes down the pike. Going back to NYC soon?
Yep- excited to go home soon. FL has been great, but I need to hear the sound of cabs honking again!
I was about to buy a s18 but sadly decided I need the range, want the speakers and dual charge port so I went with ks16x and getting a ks14d for a trick wheel
Yeah, I have the 16X and the missing fast charge possibility with at least 8A to compensate the thiny battery is the main reason why I will not order the S18
Great video! I am a newb and just picked up an MTen3 for getting better on. I was able to see this wheel in person in a big San Francisco group ride with Alien Rides. People were excited to ride it but no one would have traded their current power EUCs for it. People were also not happy with speed wobbles that were there for many especially going downhill in San Francisco. I will wait until I have the skills to justify a high-end EUC. I am more interested in the Veteran. I will get my speed rush from one of my power scooters until then. Take care.
Very informative and nicely done, as usual.
I own a ks16s and I can’t help but look forward to a ks wheel that gets up to 38m/h at least. At the moment the nikola 100v is the closest thing to that, but I’m concerned about gotway’s quality standards/ no tiltback-throttling system. I like being able to ride without having to pay attention to a sometimes inaudible beep which, if unnoticed, could cause a cut off at such high speeds.
GotWay has tiltback. Being able to disable it is an expert feature, that should never been allowed to enable as easily as it is now. Sort of like the sideways tilt firmware hack that some trick riders get on demand.
MrDmitryC yeah I guess but gotway’s tiltback speed won’t adjust automatically as the battery goes down. Ks wheels do that, making sure there’s a considerable safety margin according to the unit’s battery level. As a matter of fact, it is my understanding Inmotion wheels do that as well, just like the ninebot z. For some reason gotway doesn’t. Besides, the poor build quality reputation gotway’s got is proving to be hard to shake off. That being said, it’s a pity cause I really like some of gotway’s designs and definitely their wheels’ performance.
@@visiop1 , the voltage that many KS wheels start throttling the speed is the voltage where GW stops going forward at all. So there is still enough power in the battery not to require a lower top speed.
When you were talking about the pedal height you flipped the pedal out of frame then left it so we couldn't see it. Just a small detail i noticed that made me chuckle a little
Micky, u make the sickest videos dude!
Thx!
NYC in the house good shit bro
thx
New York Stand Up !!!!!!!
Very very nice video !!! Great job !!!
I like the s18 very. Got a 16s V1 for town comuting, have 70 Km range and love it. Then came 16s V2with some extras. The lesson is wait for the next version to get the improvments. So i will stay with my 16s and wait gen2 of S18 or some similar maby S16 wirh suspension same open frame patern :)
Excellent 👌 review.
Just got my MSP, so I am good to a couple years until,,,, who knows what the will bring out.
Cheers
Okay...now that you have rode both the S18 and the V11...which would you put your hard earned money into? (Awesome video...thank you)
Stay tuned for that
evX *taps foot* lol jk hey I can’t wait for the V11 comparison. Thank you so much for your awesome reviews!
@@evXNYC Oh man- you're getting good a these cliffhangers Mickey! Inquiring minds need to know 😄
I wanted to make this my first euc but ordered a 16x instead a couple days ago. Still not sure if I made the right decision. I’m the type of guy who would NEVER buy a hard tail mtb over suspension. the s18 is sexy af tho..
I have purchased. First euc. 56 years old. 5' 8" tall and 240lbs in gear. 1600 miles on a Onewheel over a year plus. New subscriber.
Live in Michigan, so, bad roads. Sick of awkward nosedives at 20mph with a 90° stance from trajectory. I have a long history of board sports and motorcycle racing/ off roading and I believe my aggression is the main problem.
Did I make a good choice for my first euc?
Thx 4 the review. It is a big help.
Great choice!
Great video again like always ;-) u that wheel looks like the wild way of life ;-) love it
Seems like speed and range are the main complaints, but my V10 only goes 25 mph and has a 650Wh battery, so the S18 would still be an upgrade for me. I'm more concerned about the wobbles that some reviews have mentioned.
Wobbles are more a factor of technique. You need to spend time with any wheel for long enough to learn how it operates. Then adjust your riding style slightly. Generally an offfset or asymmetrical stance solves wobble issues.
Nice vid, yes i will buy
Nice review :)
Nice video review 👍. Keep it WHEEL ✌️. It's to slow but I'm sticking with my 16 x until they get higher speed.
I love this wheel. For riding cool and comfy, perfect. The bad point is the range.
The range , the rattling , the rubbing ,the wobbles , the complicated suspension , no seat , no speakers.
Nothing but a high price tag !!!!!!
Super ta vidéo. a tu un lien pour les coussinets latéraux que tu utilise ? Merci
Yes find me on Instagram and i will send your the info of the guy in Germany. My Instagram is: @evx_mick
Great review! Did you have any comfort issues with your ankles bumping into the crevice next to the pedals? I found it uncomfortable after a bit of riding.
I more had annoyance with the top part near my knees
Great review. I wanna pull the trigger on one but my biggest concern is build quality. I’ve seen several other reviewers point out the shotty fit/finish. For $2K I want a tight wheel. Have they gotten it together?
Well, i don't get what battery sacrifice you all talking about: I have KS 18L (wich is the best wheel since 2018, imho), it has 1036 WH battery and it's enough for 60 km of agressive city riding (35-45 km\h) and i still have 3 yellow lights (that another extra 5-10km in slow manner). And this S18 got 1110 WH: so even more battery life then 18L, with the same weight, plus suspension and sexy design!
Seems to me that speed riders don't have KS on their radar, so for any real potential customers it's down to suspension vs range. The two steps back, three forward pace of innovation can be a drag. The reduced range will nag anyone habituated to the baseline for wheels at the $2k price point. It takes away from the 'newest, bestest" feeling you want when you buy a premium wheel. Apple doesn't put out an iPhone with awesome new cameras and 1/2 the battery life. Fantastic review, btw. Wonderful production value.
11:10 that's it!
I wanted to hear some beeps. What was the highest speed u clocked at
Lol typical 31mph kingsong
Gorgeous wheel!
I honestly think it will be a super fun wheel for what it can provide. High speed isn’t every thing, every time. I’m very curious to ride it.
Any thoughts on the tire? How’s the tire performance on the street?
Nice video too!
could you post the link for the side pads
message me on instagram and I'll link you.
Contact me on Facebook Messenger. m.facebook.com/groups/134599833910471?view=permalink&id=597861444250972
What specifications do I need for off road & hill unicycle riding?
It’s a bobber. I wouldn’t buy it at the current price point because I would rather have more range. My knees will have to do for suspension.
Good review!
If you could put suspension on any preexisting wheel which would you choose? Keep in mind that suspension would raise height of any wheel 2-4 inches and I little wider, I'm guessing.....
The GotWay MSX
Is there a seat accessory for this wheel? Something you can place on top to sit on while riding?
First !!!
5:25 funny perspective :D
LOL 😂
Nice review Mickey!
Thx!
I got you all!!
FK yea its worth it if you like to ride off road like I do. Check my latest play list for 7 miles of grass trails on private property today... it was beautiful. And OMG the roots, mud, bumps... Ican't wait to get my S18 (I'm in batch 1 of ewheels).
Awesome choice!
Tell us the name of the pads you used to grab with your legs please :)
It is no “crappier” shock....the preproduction Model uses the DNS 36....which isnt prodcued anymore by DNS.
So they use the the newer DNS 38, which has no negative filling chamber, its pre-filled. but still has adjustable positive chamber, the lock knob, and the rebound wheel on top. For the “pre-production” scratch problems and the glue.....these will be fixed.
UpToDate the S18 isnt even in production....especially BECAUSE they wait for the feedback of the first reviewers.
Saying “i am not sure IF they will fix it” would need to say why....and i just can advise it would be good not to fall for some negatives of other brand sellers...i am nearly sure knowing who tells such a crap :-)
My hope is that KS sees this and is proactive about fixing issues. If they do, then I helped all the future buyers. Win win! It is a great wheel!
Ugh... pre-ordered this and it will be my first wheel. Kinda worried. Might change it to v11.... 🤔
Thoughts on the new Veteran Sherman about to be released?
45-50 mph top speed - 128 mile range.
I'm really excited for it.
Please, what other camera do you use besides the Insta360? Thanks
I use Sony a7rii
@@evXNYC Thanks!
Mickey can you send give the link for the pads at 3.07min ?
Find me on Instagram and I’ll send you what you need. It’s a guy in Germany making them, but he ships to the states, obviously lol. @ evx_mick
"No RGB lights, no speakers" ... sounds like a positive thing, who wants to waste money on that crap unless you're like 15 years old or younger...
You didn’t tell us where to buy those pads from the guy in Germany.
Kool that’s good to know
Hey dude do you think using a fast charger for this wheel is a bad idea?
A wait to S18 XL model.
s18 or ks16x if i dont need the large battery of 16x
16x i think has more torque and maneuverability
16x hands down.
What is the link to the power pads from Germany ? And will they send them to the US ?
It’s a guy named Frank Andreas. He will definitely ship to the US. 😎
@@evXNYC I ordered the 16x powerpads. Do you know where to find good sandpaper grip tape for EUC ? Thanks again for pad hook up ✌️
I think I’d do a suspension wheel but it’d need to be quicker, my MSP is my first wheel and I’m finding myself hitting beeps at speeds I’m comfortable with, I wouldn’t buy a slower wheel for main use...
Do you mind to tell me what brand and model is your helmet? it's looks good :)
It’s LEATT. Dbx 4.0 i think. I think i have a link below.
Thanks
Micky, you stopped short on telling us what Kingsong may not iron out on their production model. You kind of left that out? Its important to reveal.
Left that statement hanging in ther air???
Alien Rides just upoaded a reasonably good honest review, did you see it?
Tbh i didn’t want to dive too deep into that because i recognize the power of my words and how certain wheels can get a bad wrap. So I just wanted to put this out there in hopes KS fixes the issues. (They are well aware of the issues as I had a big meeting with them)
@@evXNYC you were not entirely convinced by them...