I didn't quite realise just how easy it was to get judgement tokens for these guys. Could give them all lasguns and still just bury any enemy under weight of fire
@@tailssonicteam1604 I’m a massive fan of their lore and models, I really like dwarves. But I think it says a lot about their balance that Me and my buddy have been tossing around ideas for homebrew nerfs so we can play games with each other without him wanting to off himself
For someone who is old enough to remember, you have become the adult equivalent of the Saturday morning cartoons I recall starting my weekend with way back when. Your freeview releases have become a weekend staple for me. WELL DONE YOU. You're all BOSSES! 👊😎
"One particularly fruitful alliance was with the SrrykTok Brotherhood of the Demiurg. Meticulously cultivated by the Water Caste of the cosmopolitan Oal'yth Sept many decades earlier, they were able to negotiate the procurement of Ion Cannon technology, a significant advance that was quickly applied to Kass'l gunships where it was believed it would serve the Greater Good most effectively."
Not always, but since 5th ed IIRC. Also it was stated that they got the basis of their ion tech from the Demiurg but were slowly improving and perfecting it, as they are want to do. There wasn't this inane plot twist that they got a dumbed down, inferior and defective version that they can't do anything with while the Votann are laughing their beards off at how dumb the Tau are. It undermines the central trope of Tau ingenuity and incessant progress for the sake of a cheap joke and making the new kid on the block look cooler at the expense of an established faction, like a Mary Sue fanfic character that's inexplicably better than everyone else at everything for no reason. If they wanted Votann to feel like an advanced Dark Age of Tech civilization, they should have given them a lot more of the exotic Dark Age tech like Volkite or Photon guns or other weird and wacky stuff instead of just leaning into star alloy thunder hammers, unobtainium-powered boltguns, autocannons with magic bullets or better-than-yours ion and rail gun +1. It detracts from the iconic feel of other factions in a parasitic way instead of establishing their own identity. Not to mention that it's simply lazy. It's especially baffling when you consider that they already avoided that particular pitfall with Admech, which, aside from a handful of Cognis weapons, had all kinds of wonderfully wacky weapon systems thought up for them making for a completely unique faction identity, despite the temptation of an easy solution in just giving them superior kinds of bolt, las, melta and plasma weapons,
Hegemony sounds like "hey jimminy" in pronunciation. Chef: I also want to see Chaos Dwarfs er, Chaos Squats. The "mad Votann" sounds like a great lore reason to bring out Chaos Squats to have the darker side of LoV. For me, I have waited since 1992 or so to play Squats again. My best friend died serving in Iraq and he played Squats and Black Templars. I play both of them in addition to my own armies in memory of Gus since he can't play them. My BT Emperor's Champion is named Brunson in honor of him. I don't know what LoV model will be called Gus or Brunson but it is coming...
My wulfen are super jealz of the berserks. Same S, T, W, A. But these shirtless nuggets are 22 points, 4+/5+ feel no pain, fight on death, adv+chrg, no reroll protections, CORE keyword ... our wulverines don't have any of those shenanigans anymore. I think Chef has this right on the nose with everything just feeling better/more efficient than other army equivalents.
There is definitely a reference in the lore I've seen so far to them being totally happy to strip mine planets while they are occupied. It said they might sometimes negotiate an evacuation if they are feeling kind. Don't agree on them being entirely good and moral though. They read as Kin-supremacists to me. If you're Kin, you're in. Otherwise you'll be disposed of if you're in the way, and they won't consider it a moral dilemma.
Yeah they have plenty of grim dark towards others that aren’t them. It’s in the warhammer+ lore videos. People need to actually look at all the lore before judging
A lore video I’ve always wanted to see (or series) would be lawrence in a Vincent Price-esqe reading. Dressing gown, arm chair, open fire and a tome. And using dramatic license to explain the different factions lore. Ps and by always wanted to see I mean since I started watching this channel. It’s not some weird lifelong dream of mine.
Gotta remember with Hearthguard: You have two non character melee units. You dont really get options for that. Also, they're resilience makes them good at grabbing and holding an objective,
Surely the darker themes of the Leagues are more hidden, but still there. It's a similar situation to what we saw with the first release of the Tau. With the Leagues we have things like: relentless industrialism and strip-mining, murderous revenge over grudges, and the overhanging risk of relying on AI.
they've already described the Votann as showing up to populated planets and strip mining them even with the people living on it. seems pretty sinister to me
@@renevil2105 because one day, a capitalist country called "the united kingdom" will give birth to a corporation that gave "4+'s to hit auto wound" twice so far! We truly live in a society
After listening to this, I see them as better Death Guard. -Both are slow, but they have a few fast units. However, The LoV have garenteed 3"advance and their fast unit has obsec. -They both have shorter range, but once you're in their range they slap. That being said, LoV slap a lot harder in general with their weapons. And that's without the judgment tokens. All in all, they are an area deny army. You DO NOT want to get near them. Now as far as the judgement tokens, first change I'd make is remove the 'counts as an unmodified 6' part of the rule. They can still auto wound, but that should nerf some of the bonuses you'd get for it. The other one is I'd remove a few of the ways to get them. Not sure which ones or how any, but I do feel that they get access to them way to fast.
I would make judgements tokens go away after an attack. The buff is huge and that way you can get a unit big bonus, but you need to think carefully about how you attack.
The warheads on the land fortress are going to be great for turn 3+. Enemy unit sitting on an objective out of los gaining judgement tokens. Turn 3 they have full stack of tokens and you can pop them off the objective rather easily.
@49:54 the tau states and has been canon for awhile that they did actually get the ion weapons from the "Demiurge" which where described as being very simualy to the squats.
There’s a lot of the Dvar from Age of Wonders:Planetfall in the new models, & a kinda Subnautica vehicle vibe. But I’m with Chef on the Land Fortress. It should be more Jawa Sandcrawler.
I find myself very much in mind with Chef. Particularly right out the gate at 5:28 on. Didn't care for the Nasapunk look they were going for but the TTT studio army thawed my opinion.. Their rules are bonkers though and really steps on some other factions. Tau...but better. Space Marines...but better. Death Guard...You get the idea. Oh and make it a drinking game. Everytime they say "it's a *BLANK*, but better " take a drink. Everything you can do, dwarves can do better! 😁 Thanks, Chef!
These guys seem incredibly punishing to any elite armies where trading chaff units is less viable. Rip Imperial Knights, Custodes, and likely Grey Knights too. Even with the slower speed of the army, I foresee them clearing these armies off pretty well
If you could make Chef's picture on future video thumbnails the slightly tortured face praying into his hands just before the data slates, I think we'd all really appreciate it.
Hey there guys ! May I ask where the painting tutorial you mentioned in a previous video? I'd like to replicate it because I think this is easily the best color theme that I found so far for the league of votann, this metallic white-ish grey is just awesome. Thanks a lot ^^.
Fletcher is so incredibly talented. Every project he finishes seems better than the last and his tutorials keep getting better. The tau model and paint guides they’ve put up for FSE were so helpful to me and painting my army he’s. Thanks Fletcher!
This video looked like it physically pained Chef to make. You can see him biting his tongue as best he can about how ridiculously borked this Codex looks.
Everything being mostly fine in the house and most of the faction's problems being everyone else reminds me of earlier tau codexs. I wonder how long it will last for the Leagues of Votann.
Fletcher is a beast, no cap. The scheme used for the army is fantastic and I would love to see some variations to them. Nothing drastic, but a slight bit of color, other then numbers, to help differentiate troops and such! I'm sure he'll do them all justice anyway. Fantastic video lads!
2 comments… 1 - glorious video quality! There’s something satisfying about seeing pores. 2 - I think we’ll see a points hike once people have had a little fun steamrolling
Great review. Would have liked to see grudges treated like Deathwatch Kill Team specialisms, but we are where we are and GW have shiny new models to shift.
You know what the votaan remind me of? Anyone here played horizon zero dawn Where they are questioning their god,but their god is literally a computer system, it's interesting. Because even though this is the far future, the space dwarves seem almost tribal in their religious practises
I really like the colour scheme. I'm not planning on building a new army, but expecting that there'll be a kill-team at some stage, I was thinking about painting them with light and dark grey with red as an accent colour. Basically like an 8-bit Nintendo. Not keen on any of the official schemes either.
So there bikes have obsec and count as multiple models ????? Bro that’s unfair my bikes don’t get that and I was told that specific thing was an issue so it was taken away and they are super survivable too ?
Sating squats are weak because they only have 5" move is one more kick in the grognards for orks who move 5". Of course the dwarves would shoot better than us, but they also have harder hitting melee weapons and units, as well as their only weakness being their infantry have the same speed as us boys.
In regards to them feeling 'too clean', do you think GW would ever do codex/lore from the perspective of the race. Like this 'clean' and good-guy story is the story they (or the Votann) tell themselves, all the 'bad' stuff has simply been redacted?
Originally [2nd Edition], Eldar were definitively Good Guys too. From 2nd to 3rd, they went with the Mission Statement regarding the Horus Heresy of; We Don't Fight For the Imperium, We Fight Against Horus! That distinction set the bar for Eldar being far more insular & far more about what's good for them, rather than what's 'good' in general. Adeptus Mechanicus, in the previous fluff/lore, pre-Codex, were basically just another extension of Imperial Might as well. [& I hope 'Dex Astra Militarum goes a similar way. Much more independent of the larger Imperium. More of their own 'Ways & Means' that often don't line up with Astartes & Mechanicus. Something along the lines of no longer wanting to just be the chaff & cannonfodder of the Imperium.]
you guys are awesome but the voltan are busted and even just on paper its easy to see how little fun it will be for anyone playing against them. they are top tier in every aspect .
Chef says every iron kin is servents but that not true. Those are the cog bots, the iron Kin are equals in the squads They'll basically do anything for resources aswell, they'll destroy whole planets with people on
@@thepastrychef8014 you can tell because the iron kin have a speaker thing below their head and the cog bots don't. Yeah I think people would have loved more of the iron kin! Shame you only get one iron kin head per squad :(
this codex was sold at the back of a van !! :p love the idea to have a new army with some cool rules...but damn!! this is a upsetting codex...why not make a strong but fun army to play with...
I will be watching it all later as someone who thought not for me but they are growing on me 😂. They are tough & hit hard but I’ve heard their very slow so will have to see how op they are 🤔.
This army seems tough and slow, with potent fire power they are going to be hard to shift off objectives. I can see them however struggling against fast hard hitting armies like quins, slaanesh demons our even speed waagh lists.
I've gone from not being interested to being very excited and now, after watching your bat rap and listening to this again, feeling I should wait for FAQs or their next codex.
i`d see this like the Tau its a first contact book, and i agree there needs to be some sort of undertone, and i would also like o see it being an AI prior to the Dark age of tech
Hes easily the best model and actually looks a little out of place with the rest of the army. Looks like they were afraid of incorporating too much fantasy dna in their designs, its a shame.
I really hope they fix the balance on this army though. I want them to be good, but not as good as they are now. Seems like they may not be fun to play against as they are. I love the models and will be building an army of them, but I'm going to do them in a painstaking yellow scheme, so by the time I'm done painting I'm sure they'll have been fixed.
@@thepastrychef8014 Yeah, I don't get how something so flagrantly overtuned could get to release like this. Feels bad as right now there is a pretty good field out there in terms of competitive armies. We were so close to a fairly balanced meta... 😢
@@samb3513 are you saying this off the basis of this review? Because their secondary game seems relatively average and their movement is very lack lustre. Damage isn’t everything and if you can’t play your primary and secondaries, that’s a problem. I’d be careful freaking out over the maths just yet. They might be absolutely busted but I’d be curious to see how they go at the GTs before jumping the gun.
I love the votaan, the lore, their look they are most definitely now my main army (I'm hoping they get nerfed so I don't look like a meta player) but I have to say I love chefs reactions to some of these rules 🤣
screw them being nerfed they've had very few games & none so far against meta lists as far as i've seen (only seen 2 bat-reps so far) let Stumpies have their time in the sun before being crucified into shelf warmers
Had to pause after the pioneer section... I suddenly can't imagine any reason not to bring 3 units of 6 of these... fast ( in an other wise slow army) , shooty, obsec that can be built to be tough as well? 60 wound of that for 600 points? Wow!
Ymyr Einhyr given a re-roll to hit from a khal, you guys are missing out. Averages 9 MW’s and then does 10D6 shots at AP -2 in 1/2 range. With site-site teleport, not hard to setup. Almost kills an entire Tau crisis team on it’s own. The thing you guys were the least excited about might be the best unit in the book.
Wait, they have good relationships with the Aeldary? Have GW really skipped out on one of the more Grimdark fitting Dwarf tropes? It would've been super easy! The Leagues really like to strip mine resource rich planets and the Asuryani (as well as the Exodites) really want to protect the maiden worlds. Also the Aeldari trick everyone and their mom and the Votann are data storage devices which are able to record and communicate every instance of that. So they could serve as sort of a book of grudges, which REALLY wouldn't benefit the Aeldari!
Yeah I don't like how safe and sanitary their lore seems. But I don't think GWs newer lore output has been good for a while now. Everything onwards from the introduction of primaris marines has been highly questionable writing IMO. Some of the newer Necromunda lore might be the exception.
Squats =/= Kyn. Leagues of Votann Kyn are genetic offshoots of Squats. But they are so far diverged from Squats as to be a completely different & alien, species. Besides, 'friendly' with Aeldari isn't saying much. For all we know LoV 'friendliness' could be even more tenuous than Aeldari. Mostly, I think it's about nailing down Squats =/= Kyn & therefore establish that Kyn are not tied to the Imperium in any way, shape or form. [Not too mention that Age Of Sigmar step'd away from the 'Dwarf vs. Elf' rivalry some time ago. 🙂]
@@BlasterCA2000 Well, Squads where redesigned/redefined as a small group of Kin who helped rebuilding Necromunda after the Heresy. Also afaik the word Squad is just a derogatory for kin.
Someone needs to make a meme of Jay and Silent Bob of the league of Votaan selling second hand Ion Tech to the Tau outside a convenience store!! Keep up the great work chaps, as Deathwatch i dont get to use my specialisms or chapter tactic against Votaan. It feels rather overbearing.
Well... this codex was written with "let's get people to buy the army its overpowered by a magnitude that difficult to believe" as the focus of its balance.
Imagine telling guard players at the start of 9th ed that we'd be waiting so long for a codex that even the squats would get one first.
Still hoping for a WE and IG boxset
Sad but true
I mean i'm pretty sure Squats have been waiting longer since they vanished how many decades ago ?
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
Must be hard waiting 30 years for a new Guard codex and models.
Fletcher is so talented. Look after him lads . Huge boon to the channel .
I didn't quite realise just how easy it was to get judgement tokens for these guys. Could give them all lasguns and still just bury any enemy under weight of fire
I think this is the only real issue with them tbh. They should be harder
Beard is tired.
Lawrence is loving it.
But chef is a broken man.
Lawrence is far too lenient this faction is horrendously designed ruleswise and they are so busted it's not even fun.
@@jackcanox4015 I know. I can't wait for my friend to collect them and then start using them in my gaming group it's gonna be so much fun 😐
@@tailssonicteam1604 I’m a massive fan of their lore and models, I really like dwarves. But I think it says a lot about their balance that Me and my buddy have been tossing around ideas for homebrew nerfs so we can play games with each other without him wanting to off himself
For someone who is old enough to remember, you have become the adult equivalent of the Saturday morning cartoons I recall starting my weekend with way back when. Your freeview releases have become a weekend staple for me. WELL DONE YOU. You're all BOSSES! 👊😎
The Tau always got their ion tech second hand. This isn’t a retcon in the way you seem to think. They got it from the demiurg.
"One particularly fruitful alliance was with the SrrykTok Brotherhood of the Demiurg. Meticulously cultivated by the Water Caste of the cosmopolitan Oal'yth Sept many decades earlier, they were able to negotiate the procurement of Ion Cannon technology, a significant advance that was quickly applied to Kass'l gunships where it was believed it would serve the Greater Good most effectively."
Not always, but since 5th ed IIRC. Also it was stated that they got the basis of their ion tech from the Demiurg but were slowly improving and perfecting it, as they are want to do. There wasn't this inane plot twist that they got a dumbed down, inferior and defective version that they can't do anything with while the Votann are laughing their beards off at how dumb the Tau are. It undermines the central trope of Tau ingenuity and incessant progress for the sake of a cheap joke and making the new kid on the block look cooler at the expense of an established faction, like a Mary Sue fanfic character that's inexplicably better than everyone else at everything for no reason.
If they wanted Votann to feel like an advanced Dark Age of Tech civilization, they should have given them a lot more of the exotic Dark Age tech like Volkite or Photon guns or other weird and wacky stuff instead of just leaning into star alloy thunder hammers, unobtainium-powered boltguns, autocannons with magic bullets or better-than-yours ion and rail gun +1. It detracts from the iconic feel of other factions in a parasitic way instead of establishing their own identity. Not to mention that it's simply lazy. It's especially baffling when you consider that they already avoided that particular pitfall with Admech, which, aside from a handful of Cognis weapons, had all kinds of wonderfully wacky weapon systems thought up for them making for a completely unique faction identity, despite the temptation of an easy solution in just giving them superior kinds of bolt, las, melta and plasma weapons,
@@zetanax1041 the SrrykTok Brotherhood are a League
They also messed up Ironkin being servants... those are "cogs" that are menial robots, not Ironkin.
Thanks for locating that passage. I remembered it too, from the bsg books originally I think.
Look I haven't watched this yet, but I'm just here for what I'm sure will be Chef getting grumpy over the stupid OP rules
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Lmao sames
Indeed. Go Chef Go
Why am i not surprised to see the brand new minis rules be utterly and absurdly overpowered.
Hegemony sounds like "hey jimminy" in pronunciation. Chef: I also want to see Chaos Dwarfs er, Chaos Squats. The "mad Votann" sounds like a great lore reason to bring out Chaos Squats to have the darker side of LoV. For me, I have waited since 1992 or so to play Squats again. My best friend died serving in Iraq and he played Squats and Black Templars. I play both of them in addition to my own armies in memory of Gus since he can't play them. My BT Emperor's Champion is named Brunson in honor of him. I don't know what LoV model will be called Gus or Brunson but it is coming...
My wulfen are super jealz of the berserks. Same S, T, W, A. But these shirtless nuggets are 22 points, 4+/5+ feel no pain, fight on death, adv+chrg, no reroll protections, CORE keyword ... our wulverines don't have any of those shenanigans anymore. I think Chef has this right on the nose with everything just feeling better/more efficient than other army equivalents.
I really hope one day to see a br of Votann vs GSC, for the SUPREME TOKEN BATTLE OF ALL TIME
This Book is just stupidly overpowered.
There is definitely a reference in the lore I've seen so far to them being totally happy to strip mine planets while they are occupied. It said they might sometimes negotiate an evacuation if they are feeling kind. Don't agree on them being entirely good and moral though. They read as Kin-supremacists to me. If you're Kin, you're in. Otherwise you'll be disposed of if you're in the way, and they won't consider it a moral dilemma.
Yeah they have plenty of grim dark towards others that aren’t them. It’s in the warhammer+ lore videos. People need to actually look at all the lore before judging
Don't recall it being in the Dex, though will admit I read it the once through a while ago
@@thepastrychef8014 Turns out it was in the lore videos on WHTV. Weird that they didn't put it in the codex though.
@@Jason-gq8fo Ah yeah, that's where I saw it!
@@Jason-gq8fo I don't have WH+, so I will judge based on the context of the Review, which is the Codex 😅
Its 5:13AM in NA East Coast and you lads drop this?? I wanted to go to bed!
Ill be watching this when I get up. Happy weekend TtT!
A lore video I’ve always wanted to see (or series) would be lawrence in a Vincent Price-esqe reading. Dressing gown, arm chair, open fire and a tome. And using dramatic license to explain the different factions lore.
Ps and by always wanted to see I mean since I started watching this channel. It’s not some weird lifelong dream of mine.
Gotta remember with Hearthguard: You have two non character melee units. You dont really get options for that.
Also, they're resilience makes them good at grabbing and holding an objective,
Chef’s attitude is realistic and reflects all 40K players’ attitudes this week. I feel the frustration
Surely the darker themes of the Leagues are more hidden, but still there. It's a similar situation to what we saw with the first release of the Tau.
With the Leagues we have things like: relentless industrialism and strip-mining, murderous revenge over grudges, and the overhanging risk of relying on AI.
They’re also pretty racist.
they've already described the Votann as showing up to populated planets and strip mining them even with the people living on it. seems pretty sinister to me
The dark theme is they are capitalist
@@olabolob an how exactly capitalism a dark thing?
@@renevil2105 because one day, a capitalist country called "the united kingdom" will give birth to a corporation that gave "4+'s to hit auto wound" twice so far! We truly live in a society
After listening to this, I see them as better Death Guard.
-Both are slow, but they have a few fast units. However, The LoV have garenteed 3"advance and their fast unit has obsec.
-They both have shorter range, but once you're in their range they slap. That being said, LoV slap a lot harder in general with their weapons. And that's without the judgment tokens.
All in all, they are an area deny army. You DO NOT want to get near them.
Now as far as the judgement tokens, first change I'd make is remove the 'counts as an unmodified 6' part of the rule. They can still auto wound, but that should nerf some of the bonuses you'd get for it. The other one is I'd remove a few of the ways to get them. Not sure which ones or how any, but I do feel that they get access to them way to fast.
This army will destroy any DG army
I would make judgements tokens go away after an attack. The buff is huge and that way you can get a unit big bonus, but you need to think carefully about how you attack.
@@rcmwalker1987 my idea was when you destroy a unit with a token, every other unit with a token would lose one.
Death Guard has piss shooting, not like votann at all.
They are not slow, 20 inch tanks and pregame moving bikes with obsec. This is a joke
Thanks for this indepth review!
Some questionably powerful sounding rules in there, I look forward to learning how to kill the stunties!
The warheads on the land fortress are going to be great for turn 3+. Enemy unit sitting on an objective out of los gaining judgement tokens. Turn 3 they have full stack of tokens and you can pop them off the objective rather easily.
@49:54 the tau states and has been canon for awhile that they did actually get the ion weapons from the "Demiurge" which where described as being very simualy to the squats.
I came for the Chef rant, I was not disappointed :)
There’s a lot of the Dvar from Age of Wonders:Planetfall in the new models, & a kinda Subnautica vehicle vibe. But I’m with Chef on the Land Fortress. It should be more Jawa Sandcrawler.
Yeah, I can see the Age of Wonders theme.
Is There a lore hint, why the berserkers reference to cthonia, the homeworld of the Sons of Horus?
It's actually just a reference to cthonic, an old word for underground, nothing to do with Sons of Horus
Chef being salty made this much more enjoyable than it normally would have been.
I think he just wants fair and fun games than just steamrolling people.
what chefs ask for at around the 19 minute marks happens, its the big round ship in the drawings processing a whole planet.
Doesn't say it in the dex iirc
@@thepastrychef8014 i think i remember from one of the lore deep dives in warhammer +, i might be wrong tho.
@@MrMilkshake99 Not so useful for someone who doesn't have WH+ and is reviewing what's in the Codex then 😅
@@thepastrychef8014 fair enough.
I really don't want to face the league but I have a feeling they will be the army to play for the next 5+ months
Great job on the paintjob.
I want a supercut of everytime Laurence says "Slaps" in this video.
I find myself very much in mind with Chef. Particularly right out the gate at 5:28 on. Didn't care for the Nasapunk look they were going for but the TTT studio army thawed my opinion..
Their rules are bonkers though and really steps on some other factions. Tau...but better. Space Marines...but better. Death Guard...You get the idea.
Oh and make it a drinking game. Everytime they say "it's a *BLANK*, but better " take a drink.
Everything you can do, dwarves can do better! 😁 Thanks, Chef!
you would be dead, if we did that. I like the idea of space dwarves, but the rules are just too stupidly powerful, who tested this?!
Takk!
These guys seem incredibly punishing to any elite armies where trading chaff units is less viable. Rip Imperial Knights, Custodes, and likely Grey Knights too. Even with the slower speed of the army, I foresee them clearing these armies off pretty well
Play with terrain?
Senile ai? So Holly from Red Dwarf has joined the Votanns!
Did you all ever release a video on how to create this color scheme? It’s incredible!
If you could make Chef's picture on future video thumbnails the slightly tortured face praying into his hands just before the data slates, I think we'd all really appreciate it.
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Hey there guys ! May I ask where the painting tutorial you mentioned in a previous video? I'd like to replicate it because I think this is easily the best color theme that I found so far for the league of votann, this metallic white-ish grey is just awesome. Thanks a lot ^^.
It's on our OnDemand website 🙂
Fletcher is so incredibly talented. Every project he finishes seems better than the last and his tutorials keep getting better. The tau model and paint guides they’ve put up for FSE were so helpful to me and painting my army he’s. Thanks Fletcher!
I'm with Chef, I'm 50/50 with them. I'll always welcome new/returning factions though, lets see what you've got.
Brilliant work btw Flech!
Is this a cheeky way for G.W to shift more terrain as by the looks of things we are going to need a lot of it with these stunty fellows?
Not sure if it has been answered but what size are the bases for everything.
This video looked like it physically pained Chef to make. You can see him biting his tongue as best he can about how ridiculously borked this Codex looks.
Now picturing the great AI machines of the Votann as basically Holly and Hilly from Red Dwarf 😁
Alright dudes
Man! They unboxed the kit and it was fully painted mere seconds later, Fletcher must use magic or something.
Edit: Eh, nevermind. Good review guys.
Everything being mostly fine in the house and most of the faction's problems being everyone else reminds me of earlier tau codexs. I wonder how long it will last for the Leagues of Votann.
Fletcher is a beast, no cap. The scheme used for the army is fantastic and I would love to see some variations to them. Nothing drastic, but a slight bit of color, other then numbers, to help differentiate troops and such! I'm sure he'll do them all justice anyway. Fantastic video lads!
2 comments… 1 - glorious video quality! There’s something satisfying about seeing pores. 2 - I think we’ll see a points hike once people have had a little fun steamrolling
1:34:42 Someone got a little bored in the editing process and decided to break up the monotony XD
The dual Power Fists must be respected
@@thepastrychef8014 Maybe then there shouldve been another sting right after when you pulled your own pair out hahaha
Great review. Would have liked to see grudges treated like Deathwatch Kill Team specialisms, but we are where we are and GW have shiny new models to shift.
I would like to see Deathwatch be able to shut down Judgement Tokens. DW need more love.
1:09:58 What about staff of stormcaller.
Happy late birthday Mr Lawrence hope it was a good one!
i love how they gave the invul sub faction the ENTIRE Hive Fleet Kronos faction rule as a little bit extra
You know what the votaan remind me of? Anyone here played horizon zero dawn
Where they are questioning their god,but their god is literally a computer system, it's interesting. Because even though this is the far future, the space dwarves seem almost tribal in their religious practises
You say the dwarf terminators aren't combat units, but they're better than chaos terminators in melee and at ranged....
I really like the colour scheme. I'm not planning on building a new army, but expecting that there'll be a kill-team at some stage, I was thinking about painting them with light and dark grey with red as an accent colour. Basically like an 8-bit Nintendo. Not keen on any of the official schemes either.
Do grudge tokens work for overwatch? 4+ auto wound on overwatch would be truly awful
No you still need to hit on 6s, fortunately. The autowound works though
@@thepastrychef8014 of course the auto wound still works, would hate for them to not be obscenely over powered 🙃
The ferengi are here!
I hate that this gives the feeling of "I don't want to play against this, it's not going to be fun in any shape or form...".
So there bikes have obsec and count as multiple models ????? Bro that’s unfair my bikes don’t get that and I was told that specific thing was an issue so it was taken away and they are super survivable too ?
Only multiple in Greater Thurian League, but yes
Sating squats are weak because they only have 5" move is one more kick in the grognards for orks who move 5". Of course the dwarves would shoot better than us, but they also have harder hitting melee weapons and units, as well as their only weakness being their infantry have the same speed as us boys.
You should give Chef a big red button when he wants to rant, Chef rant alarm!
In regards to them feeling 'too clean', do you think GW would ever do codex/lore from the perspective of the race. Like this 'clean' and good-guy story is the story they (or the Votann) tell themselves, all the 'bad' stuff has simply been redacted?
Most of the codex's are written this way
Originally [2nd Edition], Eldar were definitively Good Guys too. From 2nd to 3rd, they went with the Mission Statement regarding the Horus Heresy of; We Don't Fight For the Imperium, We Fight Against Horus!
That distinction set the bar for Eldar being far more insular & far more about what's good for them, rather than what's 'good' in general. Adeptus Mechanicus, in the previous fluff/lore, pre-Codex, were basically just another extension of Imperial Might as well.
[& I hope 'Dex Astra Militarum goes a similar way. Much more independent of the larger Imperium. More of their own 'Ways & Means' that often don't line up with Astartes & Mechanicus. Something along the lines of no longer wanting to just be the chaff & cannonfodder of the Imperium.]
They’re genuinely gonna be my main 40k faction, I love everything about them. They really nailed the lore imo, so interesting and unique
They are just tame Tyranids.
The word hegemony describes the dominance or leadership of a group, not just a grouping in and of itself ;)
you guys are awesome but the voltan are busted and even just on paper its easy to see how little fun it will be for anyone playing against them. they are top tier in every aspect .
Could attach a generator to Chef and solve the energy crisis with how he's spinning in frustration this episode
Can't blame him especially with the Tyranid mess.
I don't think any machine could handle the output
Chef says every iron kin is servents but that not true. Those are the cog bots, the iron Kin are equals in the squads
They'll basically do anything for resources aswell, they'll destroy whole planets with people on
The Assistant can't be a Forge Master, the guy carrying the Beserks weapon isn't one of them. That's what I'm talking about, not the ECOGs
@@thepastrychef8014 the guy carrying the beserks weapon is a cog bot
@@Jason-gq8fo Looks like an Ironkin to me. I just was hoping for an army of all ironkin, but alas, not the case
@@thepastrychef8014 you can tell because the iron kin have a speaker thing below their head and the cog bots don't. Yeah I think people would have loved more of the iron kin! Shame you only get one iron kin head per squad :(
With USR you can’t get to two or three JTs faster. You still have to put one JT on before you get to 2..
Now when the Good Guys meme pops up we can point to the Leagues of Votann
this codex was sold at the back of a van !! :p
love the idea to have a new army with some cool rules...but damn!! this is a upsetting codex...why not make a strong but fun army to play with...
I will be watching it all later as someone who thought not for me but they are growing on me 😂. They are tough & hit hard but I’ve heard their very slow so will have to see how op they are 🤔.
This army seems tough and slow, with potent fire power they are going to be hard to shift off objectives. I can see them however struggling against fast hard hitting armies like quins, slaanesh demons our even speed waagh lists.
Problem is if you don't kill them they've lots of tools to not be tied up in melee
Thank you
Love these models
Good video guys!
Men of Gold, Men of Stone, and the Men of Iron. Maybe Votan, kin, and iron kin
Pretty sure it's hedge-emony (emony pronounced like sea anemone) with the emphasis on the second syllable.
“HI CARL!” 👋
Is there any chance that Fletcher could explain his paint recipe? I really like it :)
Theres a How To Paint guide over at OnDemand
@@tabletoptactics What is OnDemand?
@@swabilius its their payservice i think, you get access to a bunch of content!
I've gone from not being interested to being very excited and now, after watching your bat rap and listening to this again, feeling I should wait for FAQs or their next codex.
This aged well.
Intercessors stalker bolts are ap2 dmg2
i`d see this like the Tau its a first contact book, and i agree there needs to be some sort of undertone, and i would also like o see it being an AI prior to the Dark age of tech
May I know when we can get your AoS game? Can't wait😂
I do wish they leaned more into the Dwarfen aesthetic. The only model that really captures it for me is the Grimnyr kit.
Hes easily the best model and actually looks a little out of place with the rest of the army. Looks like they were afraid of incorporating too much fantasy dna in their designs, its a shame.
I really hope they fix the balance on this army though. I want them to be good, but not as good as they are now. Seems like they may not be fun to play against as they are.
I love the models and will be building an army of them, but I'm going to do them in a painstaking yellow scheme, so by the time I'm done painting I'm sure they'll have been fixed.
I think you'll need to be careful using them in the early days for sure
@@thepastrychef8014 Yeah, I don't get how something so flagrantly overtuned could get to release like this. Feels bad as right now there is a pretty good field out there in terms of competitive armies. We were so close to a fairly balanced meta... 😢
@@samb3513 Busted rules drive up sales, what's more to say?
@@Raubk0pierer I don't buy this conspiracy because there is an equal number of brand new kits that garbage rules
@@samb3513 are you saying this off the basis of this review? Because their secondary game seems relatively average and their movement is very lack lustre. Damage isn’t everything and if you can’t play your primary and secondaries, that’s a problem. I’d be careful freaking out over the maths just yet. They might be absolutely busted but I’d be curious to see how they go at the GTs before jumping the gun.
Id gladly listen to an hour long Chef rant video.
Lawrence, chef is saying hegemony correctly :)
I love the votaan, the lore, their look they are most definitely now my main army (I'm hoping they get nerfed so I don't look like a meta player) but I have to say I love chefs reactions to some of these rules 🤣
screw them being nerfed they've had very few games & none so far against meta lists as far as i've seen (only seen 2 bat-reps so far) let Stumpies have their time in the sun before being crucified into shelf warmers
Had to pause after the pioneer section... I suddenly can't imagine any reason not to bring 3 units of 6 of these... fast ( in an other wise slow army) , shooty, obsec that can be built to be tough as well? 60 wound of that for 600 points? Wow!
That kills people, Carl!
Ymyr Einhyr given a re-roll to hit from a khal, you guys are missing out. Averages 9 MW’s and then does 10D6 shots at AP -2 in 1/2 range. With site-site teleport, not hard to setup. Almost kills an entire Tau crisis team on it’s own. The thing you guys were the least excited about might be the best unit in the book.
Wait, they have good relationships with the Aeldary? Have GW really skipped out on one of the more Grimdark fitting Dwarf tropes? It would've been super easy! The Leagues really like to strip mine resource rich planets and the Asuryani (as well as the Exodites) really want to protect the maiden worlds. Also the Aeldari trick everyone and their mom and the Votann are data storage devices which are able to record and communicate every instance of that. So they could serve as sort of a book of grudges, which REALLY wouldn't benefit the Aeldari!
Yeah I don't like how safe and sanitary their lore seems. But I don't think GWs newer lore output has been good for a while now. Everything onwards from the introduction of primaris marines has been highly questionable writing IMO. Some of the newer Necromunda lore might be the exception.
Squats =/= Kyn. Leagues of Votann Kyn are genetic offshoots of Squats. But they are so far diverged from Squats as to be a completely different & alien, species.
Besides, 'friendly' with Aeldari isn't saying much. For all we know LoV 'friendliness' could be even more tenuous than Aeldari.
Mostly, I think it's about nailing down Squats =/= Kyn & therefore establish that Kyn are not tied to the Imperium in any way, shape or form.
[Not too mention that Age Of Sigmar step'd away from the 'Dwarf vs. Elf' rivalry some time ago. 🙂]
@@BlasterCA2000 Well, Squads where redesigned/redefined as a small group of Kin who helped rebuilding Necromunda after the Heresy. Also afaik the word Squad is just a derogatory for kin.
Fackin Elves!
The Spider looks like a child at Christmas lol! :D
Grimnyr is a priest searching for the great answer? 42?
Someone needs to make a meme of Jay and Silent Bob of the league of Votaan selling second hand Ion Tech to the Tau outside a convenience store!!
Keep up the great work chaps, as Deathwatch i dont get to use my specialisms or chapter tactic against Votaan. It feels rather overbearing.
If a votann doesn’t answer 42 to a question at some point a massive open goal has been missed.
It would be tragic
Complain about the 80 point psyker, Librarians are 90+ and they _don't_ have a built-in Invuln save.
Well... this codex was written with "let's get people to buy the army its overpowered by a magnitude that difficult to believe" as the focus of its balance.
They have a hint of The Culture about them, but also not really - an interesting spin on it. Also Dorfs.