Full Review Of The Triumph Rocket 3 Storm

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  • @tojj29
    @tojj29 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Beast of a machine.
    I always think they sound like an old Spitfire plane. Funny you mention the weight, we stopped at the old MotoCorsa cafe in Gillingham yesterday and there were two of these outside in the car park. When we were getting ready to leave, two men who were easily very late 60's, probably in their 70's, came over and got on these bikes. They wheeled them out backwards and it seemed that once you get it moving it's quite manageable. The noise when they started them up, beautiful.
    Nice bike, bonkers money.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes I see what you mean there...its sounds really good...Thanks mate

  • @boblynch7535
    @boblynch7535 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I ride a 22 Tiger 900 GT Pro. I can relate to your impression of a friendly, easy, compliant ride. Triumph has it down. The triple chugs way down and rolls up with no complaint. Going 60ish, if I drop down to 4th the front end comes up a bit overtaking! I’m in Idaho and granted I’m 70 and not pushing like a 20 year old, but we did a desert ride Friday and cleared sections I never thought I would have to. Lovely ride. It does it all with grace. Just reminded me of your Rocket 3. So incredibly well rounded.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Triples have superb characteristics. I guess you know Jerry, The Flat Cap Racer?

    • @boblynch7535
      @boblynch7535 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@exeterrider Yes, Jerry’s a good man.he came along back in 22 when I picked up my Tiger.

  • @old4x4
    @old4x4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I saw my first Rocket 3 today and was surprised how small it was, with everyone spouting how big/heavy it is. I had a 2016 Indian Chief Dark Horse (no fairing or bags) that weighed 103 lbs more than the R3. It's pretty cool. I'll get one some day.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can recommend it mate

  • @Bimble
    @Bimble 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One of the best bike reviews I've seen mate, excellent work 👍👍
    And deffo a dream bike, would have one in an instant...maybe when I get the full asking price for my arm & leg 😆

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ello Bimble...Thanks mate. I enjoyed every moment with this bike...really superb! Arm/leg/kidney really

  • @BlakesPipes
    @BlakesPipes หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Your back is at the back tire. That is a long front end. Hey! Algorithm, this guy has got it going on! If you dont mind Algor, set this video free to the world and make sure that everyone gets to see this video. It helps with the economy and we find you Algor more attractive. Make sure Economical Rides also sees this! This guy ate a hot chip for the people and he knows how to be spicy! 😊

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If you can eat a hot chip then everything and anything else is possible : )

    • @Saddlebags73
      @Saddlebags73 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@BlakesPipes 🤣🤣🤣

  • @jag1963
    @jag1963 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do miss riding in the U.K. Where I live in Connecticut now you cannot lane split or filter and you go everywhere at the same speed as the cars do. Fantastic review ER. You may have just sold it to me for 2025. I think they have really improved this beast and when you compare it to an Indian or Harley it's actually quite a bit cheaper.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks very much Jag, I appreciate your knid words.....Yes lane splitting is a huge part of getting around for me..infact I couldn't imagine not being able to do it. It's a shame your not allowed to there.
      The rocket is a heck of a machine, I really enjoyed my time with it.
      Thanks for your time watching : )

  • @simondaniels6641
    @simondaniels6641 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great review, first one of your’s I’ve seen, thanks

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Awesome, thank you!

  • @kenbrooks7794
    @kenbrooks7794 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow! A leviathan of a bike! Low the raw power though. It's a far cry from my type of bike but I'd have that over a Harley anytime! An iconic Exeter Rider final scene with a train roaring past in the background 😁🤣🤣

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ohh yes mate, got to keep up the forte! : )

    • @russcattell955i
      @russcattell955i หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same for me Ken. If I needed a big cruiser nothing in the antiquated HD range would do. So Rocket 3 it is.

  • @LumpyCarbs
    @LumpyCarbs หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you were showing the manoeuvring stood by the bike I nearly had a panic attack! Great review. Shows how much the bike has developed since my test ride in 2006. At the time a wet roundabout nearly got me and I went on up to Bridgwater and bought the VROD. But it was a close call.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes it is alot different from older models but I think people still think they ride like the older models but infact it's all so much better now.

  • @flatcapcaferacer
    @flatcapcaferacer หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent and informative review. It is an easy bike to fall in love with for sure. My only problem was keeping my feet from blowing of the pegs at 150 mph.😄😄

    • @Saddlebags73
      @Saddlebags73 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ha, you are the Rocket legend and always will be in our eyes over here.

    • @Banditmanuk
      @Banditmanuk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Brilliant 😂

  • @craigyllyn
    @craigyllyn หลายเดือนก่อน

    FINALLY!!!! numerous interruptions but I managed to finish this. I have a soft spot for these. Long may they be produced! Fab review. Love that you really showed it off on all sorts of roads rather than just saying it was so capable.
    It’s a cartoon bike with that massive rad but so so good. I would really like one.
    Manufactures take note. This is a brilliantly executed review and you would do well to get ER to spend time with your bikes. I can’t imagine anyone else really putting it through so many places and not prioritising the peripheral stuff . Brilliant work ER .
    I want one.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Me too. You should have a play on one at ABR. Very enjoyable experience. Thanks for you're kind words 👍Well certainly vs what was coming out at ABR...and we have the video to prove it haha

    • @craigyllyn
      @craigyllyn หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@exeterrider 😂😂😂😂 I can’t imagine what you are referring to….😉😉

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@craigyllyn 🙄🤣

  • @jimsadler8704
    @jimsadler8704 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A great review on a machine for which there must be a niche market in the UK, ER. Personally I cannot see the point of such an expensive to buy, expensive to run behemoth on the UK's antiquated and decaying road system with its 70mph max speed limit and where town traffic is often at a standstill, unless of course you have shares in Esso and mainly do motorway riding or drag racing.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, not many will take the jump to this sort of money, then again it has quite a cult following . Heck of a ride though, as you can tell I really enjoyed my time with it.
      Thanks Jim, Have a good week my friend .

    • @jimanders9971
      @jimanders9971 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Out in the western US the Rocket is a perfect bike in my opinion. You can tour with the tourers (over 86,000 miles on my 2020GT), and you can run with the sports bikes too. Carry enough stuff for a 10 day ride no problem. Even in town I can do lane filtering easily. Put a quick shifter on the Rocket and I guarantee you that pegging the throttle and running though the gears well let your adrenaline flow.

  • @jimanders9971
    @jimanders9971 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have done 1100 miles in one day on the Rocket. A few aches and pains but not as bad as you would think. But get an aftermarket windshield. The other must haves are a quick shifter and for me mid pegs on my GT. Over 86.000 miles on the 2020 now. Also the Rocket is a lot cooler to ride than my Harley.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nice one Jim , they are excellent mile munchers

  • @tomstc
    @tomstc หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the look of this bike, I need a ride on one. Great video sir! 👍

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! 👍

  • @quinnpeaksbiker
    @quinnpeaksbiker หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow ! Quite eye opening!! Always assumed it was a block but very interesting! If i win the lotto id add it to my list!

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I win ,I'll buy you one.

  • @kiwibikerpaul141
    @kiwibikerpaul141 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve owned my 2022 Rocket GT from new. I have had it Dynoed here in New Zealand, not to increase the power but to eliminate some roughness at low rpm on acceleration which I understand is due to a lean fuel mixture. A byproduct of this work is the engine now produces over 170 hp and 199 NM at the back wheel, which is much smoother than stock. The only negative is I have been changing bars and pegs around to get more comfortable. Having come off Harleys, this is not a new experience for me! I bought it for back country twisty roads which it handles well, and infinitely better than any of the three Harleys I have previously owned (over a 12 year period) or any that I have test ridden. I agree with the heat and width comments, but who wants to lane split on one of these!

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great to hear from you being an owner, I must admit -I didn't notice any low end roughness.It all seemed pretty spot on to me...but maybe after a while I would have picked that up too!?
      Thanks for watching : )

  • @kevinfarrell5778
    @kevinfarrell5778 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Magic vlog ER..beast of a machine, 24 k, as you said, it's a dream bike ..👍👍

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Couldn't agree more!

  • @MindfulMotorcyclist
    @MindfulMotorcyclist หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent video ER, I think you were on great form on this one! 😀😀👍👍

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, I really enjoyed this bike as you can tell 👍🏍️

  • @flapjackphil4513
    @flapjackphil4513 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Next level review mate! Loving the camera person shots! Could (almost) see myself on one but £££’s 🤷‍♂️

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks Phil, I can see you on one too. Right up you're street really with all that power and long distance capability,but as you say its a big leap with the money. Have a good week mate.

  • @yvonnegonzalez5616
    @yvonnegonzalez5616 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    🎉Beautiful❤!

  • @plymouthjanner8940
    @plymouthjanner8940 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gorgeous bike and fab review.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you kindly!

  • @lipglosshelmetsandhim
    @lipglosshelmetsandhim หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always one of mine dream bikes but no room in the garage, no body parts of value worth selling off! My GS does the handbrake thing, it's really handy now. Never had it before but use it all the time. PS Thumbs up given.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks mate, Yes it's a wonderful bike...As you say that handbrake thing is really handy and gives you a bit of a breather. Thanks for watching this : )

  • @flesz_
    @flesz_ หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a way to move the pegs into mid position on the GT model ? (I think they are forward in your video)

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They are forward...I'm not sure, you may need some parts to do that.

  • @1990-t1j
    @1990-t1j หลายเดือนก่อน

    I rode the first-generation Rocket in 2010, the Roadster, which was 40 kg heavier than the new ones. It felt a lot lighter than it was as the weight was so low. I'd love to ride the new R model as I don't like the feet-forward riding position. It definitely needs a reverse. The Goldwing and big BMW cruisers have them. Nick

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think you're right...a reverse is handy...I'm very capable of moving these things about, but many are not.

    • @1990-t1j
      @1990-t1j หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@exeterrider But you wouldn't be able to move it backwards if you parked front wheel into the kerb down a slope.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @1990-t1j no quote right 👍

  • @lilynorthover8378
    @lilynorthover8378 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Total fan girl here 😋🤤 Nice to have a dream bike that isn't Italian. Love the way it has a three digit speedo, I'd be a nightmare on it. One question, did you scrape the pegs on the corners?

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, I;m no way brave enough....I wouldn't want to risk not getting anymore from them lol

    • @logangodofcandy
      @logangodofcandy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wider tires allow you to lean more, while being higher off the ground. Plus, if you hang off the bike in most corners, you probably never will scrape the pegs.

    • @BeansOnToast_YT
      @BeansOnToast_YT หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @lilynorthover8378 He said "back lane lanes" I'm unsubbing again 🙄

    • @lilynorthover8378
      @lilynorthover8378 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@BeansOnToast_YT he doesn't need us anymore with his 22.5k subs. He'll barr me for real next time 😭

    • @CornishMotorcycleDiaries
      @CornishMotorcycleDiaries หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lilynorthover8378 Nah, he's always looking over his shoulder at us upstarts. Fear Me and my 1.2k subs, bet he doesn't sleep at night for the worry.😆

  • @Rinkydink73274
    @Rinkydink73274 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Blimey..must be a bit of a culture shock getting back on the RE350 after this monster😂

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well since I fitted my DNA filter, they are about the same now............
      Well maybe not😂

  • @PNH63
    @PNH63 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You have to test ride and you will love it, I did !

  • @DM-ci2nn
    @DM-ci2nn หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a '25 R. Its a blast to ride. And people most definitely notice it.

  • @-old-school-motorcyclesltd
    @-old-school-motorcyclesltd หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a beautiful machine love this model, I do like the modern bikes aswell and this I’ve admired for a while … can’t afford one but fantastic bike and as normal Steve brilliant review and can always guarantee a quality review cheers Steve for showing us this beauty
    Atb Phil

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Phil, try one when you can, I can't recommend the experience enough.
      Great experience.
      Cheers Steve

  • @sidineyperondiIAM
    @sidineyperondiIAM 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    cooolll.. Can you test the aceleration times?

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      0-60 in just over 3 seconds

  • @theodavies8754
    @theodavies8754 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can't fit one through my front door.
    My '99 FXDL lives in the hallway, just up the lanes past the cat & fiddle where the third world cart tracks meet pothole central.
    Good luck with the channel.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cool mate, see you sometime 👍

  • @Dead_Assassin
    @Dead_Assassin หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey.your a really good presenter/reviews sometimes good video

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks very much : )

  • @Saddlebags73
    @Saddlebags73 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She’s a beauty! Good to hear your thoughts. Good job 👍🏼

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think so too, really enjoyed having this one. I'm in training to become the UK Flatcap.

    • @Saddlebags73
      @Saddlebags73 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@exeterrider 🤣 speed up then!

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Saddlebags73 I'm trying too, but I get scared past 71, bit like you when you mentioned in the Live show going 160 on your mates bike, but you were on the back so it doesn't count 😂

  • @rexnflex1469
    @rexnflex1469 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am a new rider without any experience. I love, love,, love The Rocket 3. Could a new rider handle this as their first bike?

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its a big bike to move around at slow speed...you would have to sit on one and see how you feel.

    • @gra271
      @gra271 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      After owning 3, it’s not a beginner’s bike

    • @gra271
      @gra271 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great video, very well produced 👏

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Quite right😎👍

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thankyou🙏

  • @CornishMotorcycleDiaries
    @CornishMotorcycleDiaries หลายเดือนก่อน

    After our meet and little chat, I was intrigued by this machine, so have looked up the two variants and it turns out the seat height for the GT version is lower at 750mm than the R version (not 773mm as you put up.) But, it then has the forwards. However Triumph DO do mids. At £480. Sigh, so unless I could persuade Trumph to put mids on this bike, then I won't get to test ride it, which is a pity. Great review as ever ER. Watch out for that bloke from Spain, he's been putting it about that you are into fetish wear...😇

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      That bloke in Spain could be right.....😂channel membership coming up...I'm glad you saw it and had a start up..lovely bike as you know. Thanks

  • @Banditmanuk
    @Banditmanuk หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this bike, but I like the R even more. Its just about the only bike I don't look stupidity large on. The dash for me its biggest let down. I wish it had a couple of more traditional looking round dials.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Have a go, it's brilliant! I quite like the dash as is TBH, then again I'm a tad smitten.

    • @Banditmanuk
      @Banditmanuk หลายเดือนก่อน

      @exeterrider I've already had the R out. Lovely machine, but nothing still compares to the exciting and still mildly scary MT10

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Banditmanuk Ahh cool, Yes, as you know the MT also really excited me...but overall the Rocket comes close : )

  • @logangodofcandy
    @logangodofcandy หลายเดือนก่อน

    I couldn't stand the super wide and uncomfortable shape of the tank so I got the bobber. No complaints.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Perfect : )

    • @PNH63
      @PNH63 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is nothing uncomfortable about this bike, bobber is a poor man’s rocket 😁

  • @wakajawaka44
    @wakajawaka44 หลายเดือนก่อน

    250kg? More like 317kg with fuel! Lovely bike nice review. Thank you!

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, slight error there , I put in right in the spec. It's a lump...but a very nice one : )

    • @wakajawaka44
      @wakajawaka44 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@exeterrider. It’s easy to criticise and I don’t think I could put a TH-cam video together without any hiccups. Excellent work keep them coming. That turntable manoeuvre was scary on tiptoes!! SW France.

  • @SwenglishSteve650
    @SwenglishSteve650 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yup if I had the money I'd go for this bike, its awesome in every way, It just makes you drool haha, i hope i can get to test ride one for my channel, great vid cheers, sent you a sub as im completely jealous.
    Ride safe man 🤛🤜

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's brilliant! I hope you get to Jane a go on it sometime 😎👍

  • @splodge57
    @splodge57 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Rocket 3 was on offer for £17000 recently. Nice bike but I wouldnt pay list price, wait for the next reductions.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      17! That's quite a stop. Lovely bikes

    • @PNH63
      @PNH63 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not this model!

  • @simongilbert2704
    @simongilbert2704 หลายเดือนก่อน

    see ,, told you s 73 has the airfield under control ,,;; as for the bike --- i was at the triumph factory today , - and saw the prototype with cutaways of the powertrain ;; very clever engineering , well worth a look ,,, i just prefer the harley style classic look , the rocket looks a bit [ actually a lot ] to much of a transformer meets lego mismatch ;;

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think S73 is a spy or something. I'm keeping my curtains closed from now on!

  • @ccooper8785
    @ccooper8785 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I might be able to afford the bike when it is 2nd hand in a few years time but I will never be able to afford the back tyres...🤔

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes they won't be cheap!

  • @petersheppard6085
    @petersheppard6085 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A Vincent Black Shadow, for the Modern Age....maybe?

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think that's a good point there, yes maybe

  • @Richard-y3q2n
    @Richard-y3q2n หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Isn't alcohol free cider just apple juice 😂😅😅😅

    • @Saddlebags73
      @Saddlebags73 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂

    • @BlakesPipes
      @BlakesPipes หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes it is! But this one has a little fizzle. So it's sparkling cider! 😂

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Damn! I've been had!

    • @Saddlebags73
      @Saddlebags73 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@exeterrider 🤣

    • @logangodofcandy
      @logangodofcandy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      First, it's cider. Second, it's a malt cider with 0.5% abv or less.

  • @nicholasjarrold8649
    @nicholasjarrold8649 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes I tell people that they are not heavy and awkward at all and such a beautiful bike to ride if your sensible anybody can ride one a pussy cat really triumph have as you say done a great job with styling one of the best looking bikes on the road in my opinion it everybody’s I know take care ride safe

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I totally agree on that one 👍

  • @michaellilley6725
    @michaellilley6725 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm surprised it's taken you so long to review this bike, you mentioned you'd had fleeting tries of the other models, must have been the MK1 as little has changed since the 2018 relaunch. Speaking of which that started with the TFC which had similar power to the Storm, then in 2021 Triumph produced the Black R and Triple Black GT. Each of these models were limited to 1,000 bikes World wide enticing folk to buy them for their exclusivity. Triumph just kicked them in the teeth by offering spec from them all on a non limited range. As an owner of the Triple Black I feel cheated, though arguably it's a better looking bike than the Storm. That said it's everything you described and more and I can't imagine the small increase in power makeing much difference to what already is one very powerful machine.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน

      When I say "tries" I mean I only sat on them....yes it took me a while to get on one but in the past Triumphs have been very hard for me to get hold of. I still have have never ridden a speed triple! for example.
      I can see where your coming from with your story. But your last sentence is spot on, whatever happens you have a super bike : )

  • @alansmith8837
    @alansmith8837 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry my elephant in the room is 2/1/2 litre bike. Why even if youve got the money for bike and to pay for juice god knows what mpg is.

    • @exeterrider
      @exeterrider  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was getting around 45 indicated average...not as bad as I thought but still....this kinda disapeared out my head , I was happy with 45 because I enjoyed every second riding it : )

  • @robert-p8w5v
    @robert-p8w5v 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    6th gear, will pull you through the turns? yes at 60 mph, anything less it,s boggy, 5th gear almost anything goes, 4 th now you are talking!