Blackaby is a name I know too well, I had his book Experiencing God on audiotape and listened over and over. As a new believer I was inundated with this type of teaching and it was common to hear god told me or I feel god is telling me. Charles Stanley’s, Blackaby’s and Beth Moore’s teaching caused me great pain and doubt in my salvation. I was sure God must not love me as much as them because I didn’t hear his voice like they did or like they said I should. I prayed and cried and listened and agonized because I couldn’t hear him! Slowly I heard good teaching like RC Sproul, D James Kennedy and John MacArthur and realized God’s promise in the gospel is true and isn’t dependent on my hearing or feeling him. I finally found freedom and peace in the person and work of Christ alone.
I launched my copy of Blackaby across the room after reading "Decision Making and the Will of God" by Gary Freisen. I've lost count of how many copies I've given away. Changed me forever. Check it out. It's a dense, biblically-stout read, but well worth the effort.
I can relate to your pain and fears - when I was a baby Christian they tried to insist I speak in tongues! I had hands laid on me and prayers - but nothing ever happened,! Like you I felt like a second class Christian! But now I am more mature I am glad nothing happened! I have read a lot and “tongues” and “second blessings “ as they insisted - are not proof of salvation or being born again by the Grace of God. I too now have peace in the person and work of Christ. I do not rely on feelings and hearing voices - but God’s promises and His Word. K
What you really mean is, "I finally found freedom and peace in the biblical narrative of Christ alone." If you truly believed in "the person and work of Christ alone," then you would recognize that Christ is not walking among us in bodily form to give us specific counsel regarding matters of great importance. Thankfully, the Lord Jesus has not left us as orphans, but He has given us His Spirit. The Spirit of Jesus, the Counselor(!), teaches us ALL things. ALL things! The Spirit-inspired Bible is the foundation of our knowledge of Christ, but the Bible does not tell you whether you should take the job in Spokane or whether you should marry or whether you should go stand next to that chariot. Why pray if we aren't expecting the Spirit of Jesus to tell us, "Not Bithynia--Macedonia! Macedonia!" We trust the Bible, but we do not worship the Bible. Our worship is reserved for Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God, who speaks through His written Word AND through His Spirit.
Being a Reformed/Covenantal/Confessional Baptist I would concur with all of this. I believe a lot charismatics are looking for personal power and experience apart from Christ and the Bible. But, however anecdotal this may seem, I had a time in my life where I was far from God in major sin. One night I “heard” in my spirit “you’re done with this”… I began sweating profusely and was brought in 30 seconds to repentance. This was all in line Biblically and with God sanctifying me. I was running from Him and not asking for this experience or revelation. That is why I would still be a cessationist today, but there’s a complexity to life that can’t be distilled down to a simple dichotomy.
Just the other day a friend of mine was talking about a "word" spoken over a former music minister who is now a pastor of his own church. She meant it as a prophecy. This type of thing used to make me feel terrible when things didn't happen or actually got worse because I thought it was my fault. God graciously brought me into the light. His yoke is easy. Glory be to God!
As an ex-charismatic I have long-believed that one of the ways charismatic beliefs are subtly influencing the Evangelical community is via the CCM and praise and worship songs.
Thank you for posting this video, sir! It made much sense to me. I too was a member of succession of “charismatic” style churches (A/G, non-denom., COG, etc.) over the last 30 years (give / take), but have been growing in my present state as cessationist. I am always willing to listen to a “preacher,” even if he speaks really fast, but if he doesn’t properly quote Scripture to back up his topics, or at least give a reasonable amount of time to let it “sink in,” then I am remaining skeptical of his stance.
This doctrine created a lot of confusion in the Church. I used to be a Charismatic who believed in all of those things, hearing God’s voice through dreams, visions, impressions, intuition, promptings, etc… it is a very serious and dangerous spiritual experience if you open yourself up to it! It’s like topping into the psychic world, you can feel something, hear something, see weird dreams and pictures in your mind. Before you know it, you’re into mysticism/ occultism. It might even lead you to the path of mental illness. Most Charismatics/Pentecostals I know, especially those who claim to hear God’s voice don’t act normal. My previous Pentecostal pastor for example concerns me. He thinks the Holy Spirit causes his heart to be so disturbed and troubled when he is about to get into a car accident! Then he prays urgently so that he can escape the accident! He always gives this kind of testimony from the pulpit. You can imagine what kind of Holy Spirit that is!😏
I quite agree with this, there is a real danger present, when people are encouraged to follow natural instincts, random thoughts, and read into things(omens almost)as supposing this is desirable and to be sought as normative for the work of God for faith. I thiink your right, this can lead potentially to mania or obsessive behavour, and if there are people with background issues already, this could just be the thing that triggers serioius problems. One should exercise great caution and self honesty in regard to subjective process and also interpreting personal circumstances and events. Even so, there has to be some kind of exceptable scope for Gods personal presence in Christian experience. For example, guidance and evidences of Gods power and witness of the Spirit ? Once again, I am grateful for you testimony and honesty. I am finding many others are finding out the shortcomings of the charrismatic movement, and have been honest enough to admit where they were going wrong. It is encouraging to see this and that there is a way forward afterwards -without losing faith and walking away from God. He is still real and knowable beyond the hype and error we may have fallen prey to.
This is treading a fine line… we must be careful not to become as Steve Lawson says the ‘frozen chosen’, as much as I love this channel & it’s presenters there is a feeling of ‘frozeness’ with this subject as I’m far from charismatic; I remember hearing Paul Washer give a story about when he was in college and a young man who feared him ( pre Washer conversion) was promoted to knock on his door and give him the gospel-it made a massive impression on Washer and was pivotal in his turning to Christ, so what do we make of this ? Like i said I’m not charismatic (I’m reformed) but I think we need to be careful that we don’t become the frozen chosen thinking that God doesn’t prompt us through His spirit.
Thank you, Brother Scott! Your statement cleared up a lot of my misunderstanding of "supposedly" hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit! I can trust in the sufficiency of the word of God, period!
Thank you. As a pastor, I have found quite a few opportunities to share this video in just the brief few days that it has been on your channel. This is something that I’m sure many pastors have addressed, but I appreciate it the fact that you put this out there so that I can just share it pretty much immediately upon someone talking about this kind of thing, unfortunately it happens too much so once again, thank you for this.
That's what I see too--it's about their ego. Look how angry/annoyed lots of people are with Justin Peters about his view on the controversial phenomenon of Jesus allegedly appearing to Muslims in dreams and visions.
It might have been better to wait until this video was available and to watch it carefully before posting your comment. You have the right to disagree and comment but please show some respect. Thank you.
I am an IFB pastor. some might consider IFB movement to be the strongest cessationist movement yet I now constantly hear many IFB speakers constantly claiming that God told them, or spoke to their heart and claiming Jesus name or the blood is dealing with demonic influence.
I was going to repost my comment in case anyone is on the fence. This teaching is wild. But now I’m questioning his final point. He’s saying the Holy Spirit does NOT speak in the world today!? Because if that’s his take, how does that make any sense!? Even in the time of the Bible, THEY had previous scripture. Jesus died and left US with the Spirit of God and we completely deny is voice in the earth today?!
I love and appreciate this teaching as I hear many women use these phrases. When I was a new believer they made me “feel” 🙄 very unspiritual. Years later I see how it just glorifies self, that the Holy Spirit would talk to little old me. Also, the transfiguration explanation, wow! Thank you!
I appreciate the tone of your recorded message. The Holy Spirit, however; certainly prompts his to think, say, and perform certain things. To deny that would be to deny a big part of why he lives in us. The spirit will always lead us, according to the word, and in the direction of Jesus Christ.
SO VERY THANKFUL that this topic has seemed to gain traction (or else Im stuck in a TH-cam algorithm). So much confusion and frustration out there because we won't just accept what God HAS said. God took so much trouble and put believers through so much trouble so that we could benefit from their accounts and insights. How dare we ask for more instead of charishing what we've been given in Scripture.
Could you elaborate some more as to what illumination means ? Seeking the proper application of the Word would require the Spirit to bring the word in such a way as to apply its meaning.
He does - thru the Bible, not angelic visits or audible speaking. That's at issue here. If we can get an honest discussion going that nobody denies the existence or work of the Holy Spirit but the fact that it's far less spectacular than charismatics make it out to be, that would be great.
You have no way to know if or when that's happening. If you can't be sure its the Holy Spirit, you can be sure it isn't. Scripture is what you can be SURE of. Here are two video s that may change your life. They changed mine. I have walked with so much peace since first hearing these. The confusion of the Christian life suddenly wasn't so blurry anymore. Work on following Gods will clearly set out in scripture before trying to interpret far from clear mental impressions. th-cam.com/video/SGnHAqu9Geo/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/fxsd5sFaSm4/w-d-xo.html
Right. This is wild. Why would we limit God in this way!? Are they even saved!? This is how people can read the Bible and have no understanding. Jesus says in John 14:16-17 that He would give us a helper and the world cannot accept Him because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. Acts 2:38 - When you repent and are baptized, you receive the Holy Spirit. Is this having a form of godliness but denying the power of? All the verses that say we are to overcome sin by the Holy Spirit who corrects us!! 1 Cor 2:12-14 “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” 1 Corinthians 2:12-14 NASB1995 bible.com/bible/100/1co.2.12-14.NASB1995
Through the word, the ministry of the Holy Spirit and scripture are directly intertwined Ephesians 5:18- Colossians 3:16. Notice how both these passages mirror eachother and equate being spirit filled with letting Christs word dwell in us richly with all wisdom teaching and leading us to admonish one another with hymns, psalms(scripture) and spiritual songs. And look what Galatians 5:17-26 says 17For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; 20idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us walk in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying one another. As believers who have been endwelt by the Spirit, the Spirit will fill us with fruit that are evident, and will fill us with the truths of scripture, and whenever we do something contrary, you will have a grievance. You don’t need audible speaking we have the word which the Holy Spirit authored!! Hope this helps, God bless🙏
Ephesians 5:18 and Colossians 3:16. Notice how both these passages mirror eachother by equating being filled with the Spirit with letting the word of Christ dwell in you richly with all wisdom teaching and hymns and psalms(scripture). And if you are endwelt by the Spirit, you are a new creature in Christ that bears fruit as evidence and will walk according to the Spirit rather than flesh, deeds of the flesh being contrary to your new nature according to scripture which was authored by the Spirit. Galatians 5:17-26. And when you do stumble into sin the Bible tells us that we grieve the Spirit which convicts us of our wretched sin against a Holy God🙏hopes this helps
2 Timothy 3:16 16 All Scripture is [a]inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for [b]rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness; By the word of God, the Bible. Read it. When you are familiar with it, it will come to mind.
And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.“ Acts 2:17-18 ESV To say that the verse above no longer applies up until Christ's return because the cannon is closed (a modern canon of 66 books is prophesied nowhere in scripture) is actually VERY unscriptural.
One of the most interesting and someone ironic things that people say specially church leaders who say they believe that the gifts are ceased is this statement I believe the God has lead has start studying the book of revelation all the book of Matthew… what does that mean….. are they saying they’ve had a prompting from God to read that particular book and study that book and yet they say cessationists …..its interesting
As the year ends, every pastor is going to come out with "a prophetic message from God" concerning next year's course of action😂. In Uganda where I come from, every small local church will be having a different "theme" and it is interesting how people work towards such set goals! If God would change His mind every year, then it seems scriptures would have been different from what we know! Surely we are so lost in paganism, witchcraft, divination...trying to seek God with desperate means.
I agree to sticking with the word, that is why I do not accept cessationism, as it is a deviation from the word. God promised power to his church, and the book of acts shows what that looks like. Personally, I lean towards the logical side, and do not have a lot of spiritual experiences myself. However, I rejoice in those that have had true spiritual experiences, especially experiences that have moved them towards salvation. The late Walter Martin did some excellent teaching in the area of cessationism.
When I hear, "God told me" I always give pause. Can God speak to us, in a quiet or miraculous way? Ofcourse, if He so chooses. But I do think most of the time it is a persons feeling or own desire speaking. I come from a very Charismatic family. I myself have a more reformed light soteriology. I just feel sometimes the reformed thinking limits God and some even out right deny the Holy Spirit's power all together. God is God. His ways are not ours and we in our limited human knowledge / understanding cannot fully figure out how He chooses to work His will upon mankind.
I may be late to the video, but it seems to me that casting lots, as the Apostles did in Acts 1:26, was considered to be a way of knowing God's divine will. They prayed first (Acts 1:24) and then cast lots, anyway.
I do believe the Holy Spirit, Who resides in any Christian abiding in Christ, perhaps brings to mind what has been revealed. I also have personal experience that leads me to believe our guardian angel can prompt, guide or command us to made the prudent decision.
I saw an earlier video on the "Pentecostalization" happening among Evangelicals. Then I saw this video. Yes, I am Charismatic do believe that the Spirit is capable speaking to God's children through the still small voice. At the same time, the Spirit will never contradict God's written Word or go against God's revealed character and revealed will. What is this trend that Scott talking about? I haven't really been following; as I'm busy with my channel. I am just looking to understand what's happening to inspire Scott's video. I really didn't think much of it when I saw the video on contemporary worship. I'll check back and watch this video, later.
God still speaks through many ways but needs to be tested against the revealed will of God in the scriptures. God still heals supernaturally in answer to prayers not that we can 100% know who and when as it still happens all around not necessarily in a healing rally but in simple unexpected situations
How can someone be a Christian but claim that God doesn't speak to His people? When you read the Scripture, the Holy Spirit is illuminating the meaning of the text to you! In fact, you wouldn't be able to understand it without the Spirit's active guidance on account of our fallen nature. God is, in effect, "impressing" upon you the meaning of His Word. God does speak to His people, but He does it within the confines of His revealed Word. What the Spirit tells you will never contradict the Scripture. If God doesn't speak to people at all anymore, what would be the point of praying for God's guidance on things like making a major life decision, like picking a job or selecting a spouse? The Bible itself doesn't address each and every person's individual situation. There must be some level of direct, personal communication from God to believers.
Thank you for this clear teaching. There have been two times in my life, these were times when I was faced with what seemed like big decisions to make, and I had a dream that I was dead and had to face God and tell him why I decided to do what I did. And then the answer was clear to me: The first time, I was newly married and found that I was pregnant with my first child, and so was happy. But then, still in the first trimester, I began to have a stroke - I was paralyzed on one side of my body. The doctors advised me to abort the baby. In my dream, I heard myself trying to justify killing the baby, using the doctors as an excuse. And in my dream, the person who I dreamt was God or somebody facilitating (I don’t know) asked me “but are you bleeding to death? Is the stroke getting worse? Are you really dying?” And so, maybe it was my subconscious mind trying to work things out, maybe it was the still small voice of the Holy Spirit visiting me in my dream. But when I explained it to anyone at that time (40 years ago) I just said, simply “God told me…” I’m thankful for these great videos here.
When criticizing the claim that there’s no direct passage indicating that God longer speaks in this way, Scott Aniol states that this is exactly what Peter was doing when he appeals to a more sure Word (the Scriptures). Is this not Peter telling people to rightly order the different ranks of revelation? It does not even imply the idea that God no longer gives direct revelation. If I am misunderstanding this claim, please help me to understand.
Why can't the less sure be confirmed by the more sure? Cessationism biblically speaking downplays the role of the Holy Spirit. God uses both the Word and Spirit! Amen. Praise God!!
Why even dabble in the less sure which must be confirmed by the more sure? Cessationists don’t downplay the works of the Holy Spirit . The issue is that some folks are attributing foolishness and error to the Holy Spirit .
The role of the holy Spirit is to convict of sin and sanctify the sinner. Not to affirm whatever dark idea the sinner conjurors from their conscience. You aren't hearing from God, you are hearing from your own fallible heart.
I believe God speaks to us through His word. People who say God told me, is not God, but their god. So if it's not God Almighty, then it's a dark demonic spirit.
What you don’t understand is “God spoke to me” stems from a Reformed approach to divine revelation. When they divorced the spiritual from the physical by degrading the sacraments, they began to look within for assurance and thus God’s voice
I also came from a charismatic, WOF, type background. I need to listen and read scripture carefully on this. Only because I'm trying to understand something. For example, my husband had been praying and he believes and i also, that God thru the holy Spirit unctioned us to move. I sold my house in 3 days. 4 months later, hurricane Harvey destroyed that entire neighborhood. I want to understand.
May I suggest you read up on confirmation bias and the doctrine of Providence. Additionally, check up on Oral Roberts need for a building in Oklahoma City.
2 Peter 1:19 on the commentary on the adjective “more certain” (bebaioteron). I prefer NET’s explanation than hours: The meaning, as construed in the translation, is that the Bible (in this case, the OT) that these believers had in their hands was a thoroughly reliable guide. Whether it was more certain than was even Peter's experience on the Mount of Transfiguration depends on whether the adjective should be taken as a true comparative ("more certain") or as an elative ("very certain, altogether certain"). Some would categorically object to any experience functioning as a confirmation of the scriptures and hence would tend to give the adjective a comparative force. Yet the author labors to show that his gospel is trustworthy precisely because he was an eyewitness of this great event. Further, to say that the OT scriptures (the most likely meaning of "the prophetic word") were more trustworthy an authority than an apostle's own experience of Christ is both to misconstrue how prophecy took place in the OT (did not the prophets have visions or other experiences?) and to deny the final revelation of God in Christ (cf. Heb 1:2). In sum, since syntactically the meaning that "we have confirmed the prophetic word by our experience" is improbable, and since contextually the meaning that "we have something that is a more reliable authority than experience, namely, the Bible" is unlikely, we are left with the meaning "we have a very reliable authority, the Old Testament, as a witness to Christ's return." No comparison is thus explicitly made. This fits both the context and normal syntax quite well. The introductory καί (kai) suggests that the author is adding to his argument. He makes the statement that Christ will return, and backs it up with two points: (1) Peter himself (as well as the other apostles) was an eyewitness to the Transfiguration, which is a precursor to the Parousia; and (2) the Gentile believers, who were not on the Mount of Transfiguration, nevertheless have the Old Testament, a wholly reliable authority that also promises the return of Christ. You said, “The Spirit inspired Word is more certain than when the Spirit speak directly to us… even if he (i.e. the Spirit) did speak the Word would still be more sure than that revelation from the Spirit”. This statement is confusing. It creates levels of authority in divine revelation. If it comes from the Spirit of God it carries God’s authority. Today, if the Spirit did speak in the same manner and intention that he did to the prophets and apostles, then that has equal weight and authority as divine revelation. As explained above, Peter is not saying that his eyewitness testimony has less authority than the OT. What we ought to say is that the Spirit does not speak to us today in the same manner and intention when he spoke to his apostles and prophets in giving divine revelation. Christ is the fullness of divine revelation and therefore we do not expect more than what Christ gave to his apostles. We shouldn’t strawman also Blackaby, Stanley or Schriener as if they were saying that we ought to hear from God outside of Scripture. They are not talking about inscripturation but on how the Spirit today relates to us when seeking for specific guidance for a specific tasks and circumstances . All of these men will submit to the Scripture as the final authority to navigate through specific circumstances. When we ask for God’s guidance, are we saying that God will not use counsel, circumstances, providence, promptings, friends, elders and other means to help us decide? I hope not! I think this is what Blackaby is trying to unlock and, I agree, that he took it so far and many of his examples are not helpful, although in principle, God does guide his people through many means not outside of Scriptural revelation but grounded by it. God’s guidance to our specific circumstances should be seen through the ultimate authority of Scripture, yet the outworking of his providence uses all means necessary to bring us to a level of certainty that we are in conformity to his will as revealed in Scripture. And yet, we accept, as believers that we are not infallible and we constantly pray that God will guide and lead us to the right choice. We begin by exploring what Scripture say and the principles we can apply but we always check our understanding through the counsel of others, circumstances, dispositions, emotional and mental conditions, and yes, even impressions. God is not passive on how and when we apply Scriptural truths. Providence teaches us that he works in all things and he uses means. Therefore, we can ask for guidance. While in New Zealand, a religious man approached me and shared his religious beliefs with me. He tried to convert me to a non-trinitarian understanding of God. While he was talking, I prayed silently and ask the Holy Spirit to help me explain the truth with gentleness and love. After prayer, a thought came to mind that this person might be so prepared to answer John 1:1. So, Idid not go to the usual text like John 1:1 but I focused on Hebrews 1. The man said he has not studied Hebrews 1 thoroughly and promised that he will take it into consideration. I do not believe that my own intellect just selected Hebrews 1 for discussion especially after I prayed. I believe God used my previous experience, prompted me and guided my explanation to the man. God guides and answers prayers specific to our circumstances and he uses means to bring us to a level of certainty or understanding to make the right choice. That’s why we pray for guidance. To say that God will not use impressions or other means to guide us is unhelpful and creates a false reality as if understanding Scriptural truths and its application to specific circumstances is divorced from personal human experience, emotions, and circumstances.
I think you hurt your argument when you say things like they replaced Judas buy Consulting the word and making informed decisions, and not asking for direct revelation, when in fact they ultimately cast lots to make the final decision.
Question: @13:00 you state that the Apostles did not ask for direct revelation when choosing a replacement for Judas, but that they consulted the Word and made an informed decision. When reading Acts 1:12-26 I see the Apostles consulting the Word and confirming the need to replace Judas. (Acts 1:20,21) However, after that they prayed and asked God to show them which of the two they should choose. (Acts 1:24,25) It appears that they are indeed asking God for revelation of some sorts. Then to make it more confusing (for me at least, LOL) they cast lots to see who it should be. I'm assuming the Apostles were trusting God to reveal his will through this act. Not trolling here, I'm a cessationists and I'm just trying to understand this issue as Biblically as possible. Maybe my definition of "direct revelation" needs to be adjusted.
They were Jews. Jews used to cast lots in the OT to make some decisions- Example - Leviticus 16:8. Now we know that this was in a controlled environment, and it was a direct command or instruction from God, and it wouldn’t be applicable now because we do not need to do that. We have the Bible, the people of the book did not. And perhaps the apostles were just following their Jewish traditions, as we see Peter going to the temple in Acts 3:1-12.
@@utipessien6231 Thanks for the reply! "Now we know that this was in a controlled environment"- What do you mean by a "controlled environment?" "and it was a direct command or instruction from God, "- How do we know this, is it stated in scripture? "perhaps the apostles were just following their Jewish traditions"- Maybe, but it was something that God still honored and revealed His will through. Your response does not answer the main question I have. The video states that the Apostles did not ask for direct revelation, but scripture indeed does shows us that they prayed and asked God to show them which one to choose. Then trusting the casting of lots to reveal Gods choice.
@@jkrjhn8 hello. What I meant was the priests in ancient Israel would cast lots in the OT, as a way to hear from God, and it was a controlled environment meaning only the apostles did this, they didn’t do it in plain view of the entire congregation, the church hadn’t started yet, they hadn’t received the Holy- Spirit yet, so that would explain why they used this ancient method of casting lots to make decisions, and also why they never did it again, because they had no need to once they had been filled by the Spirit. So yes they didn’t ask for direct revelation, but used a method that they were already familiar with because of their Jewish roots. I hope I explained it clearly. Exodus 28:30 Also put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpiece, so they may be over Aaron’s heart whenever he enters the presence of the Lord. Thus Aaron will always bear the means of making decisions for the Israelites over his heart before the Lord. Numbers 27:21 He is to stand before Eleazar the priest, who will obtain decisions for him by inquiring of the Urim before the Lord. At his command he and the entire community of the Israelites will go out, and at his command they will come in.”
@@utipessien6231 Thanks again for the response! I 'm not sure I totally understand the points you are making, but i will ponder your answers. Would you mind answering another question: How does the Holy Spirit lead the Christian today? If I understand correctly from the video then when I wake up in the middle of the night and have an urge to check on one of my children and it turns out they were struggling with something at that moment, that is not the Holy Spirit. Another time is when my wife was dying. All the adult believers woke up @0350 and came into where we were sleeping and said good bye as she breathed her last breath. Again, not the Holy Spirit according to this video. I want to reiterate that I am not trolling, I do consider myself a cessationist. However I really do struggle with how God leads the believer through this life. I understand His leading through scripture and the importance of that being the source of truth.
Good video. One time there had to be direct revelation between the Apostles and the Holy Spirit occurred at the Council of Jerusalem in circa 48 AD. The only Scripture they had to consult was what we now call the Old Testament and the OT was clear that circumcision should be mandated but, as the later written New Testament states, it was not mandated for the Gentiles. Also, the church teaches that all revelation, both written and oral, ceased with the death of John. All that remaines after that is the Holy Spirit leading the church into all truth, which can be said to be a deeper and fuller understanding of revelation such as doctrines like the Trinity, the two natures of Christ, the Nicene Creed and the Canon of Scripture itself.
This is why the Reformed church *must* teach Calvin's Institutes, which are a Deeply Biblical, Cessationist, Reformed, Document that contains all of the wonderful Biblical Theology of the one, True, Reformed, Protestant, Christian Faith, to the Catechumen as soon as they are able to Understand, so they will not be lead astray, as I myself once was, Oh yes, I am an Ex Charismatic myself, by Charismaniac Voodoo and the Lies of Parham, White, Wesley, Arminius, Rome, Hell and Satan that have snuck in past Sleeping Watchmen!
Hmm..Yes God’s word is the ultimate authority. However, God does direct us through his Holy Spirit to speak to us in His will for our lives. Of course what he speaks through us should align with God’s character and that is only confirmed through His word. But to say that the Holy Spirit doesn’t speak to his people through impressions or leading us with the still small voice is wrong.
Amen. He is the Living God. He created us to spend time with Him and communicate 'with' Him. And He does. But I agree that everything must line up with Scripture and with God's character. Reading His Word is helpful in knowing Him and what is from Him and what isn't.
I am in general agreement with you and I have seen the Cessassionist movie as well and the explanation makes sense. What I'm confused about is when someone I know says to me that felt the Holy Spirit speak to them to tell them to witness to their dying family member or they had a dream or vision of someone they know and they never knew these details prior to the dream or vision, and yet the details were accurate. How do we make sense of things like this from a cessassionist viewpoint? I don't want to write off these people as being crazy or lying, but we also know our hearts can deceive us. If these things aren't from God, what would they be? If from Satan, what would Satan have to gain from it, especially if it led to a loved one's salvation? How do you make sense of something like Nabeel Quarasi's account of a dream before his salvation? Is it possible that God may use dreams or visions or audible voices rarely with unbelievers in certain circumstances, and then He ceases to do so once they get saved? For clarification, I'm not talking about an unbeliever claiming to hang out with Jesus or regularly hearing God talk to them, but rather something like "a voice told me to stop for you". "I was at a bar and a voice in my head told me to get up and leave and then I felt prompted to go to church and I got saved" or something like that. What is the best way to understand those things biblically, being as charitable as possible with our assessment of others?
Which is greater: God Speaking and Confirming, or God Healing and Confirming? I suppose that God doesn't desire to act contrary to external effects of fallen nature until Jesus returns, or how does cessationism play out?
The only problem with some of this interpretation is that when the apostles spoke about the word of God they were speaking of the Old Testament. They would not be referring to their own letters. They didn’t have a New Testament then. Something to think about.
Unfortunately, the good brother quoted the wrong verse concerning "speaking in other tongues." He quoted Isaiah 28, but Paul clearly said it was in "the law" in I Corinthians 14:21. So here is the correct verse he should have quoted. “The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young” (Deuteronomy 28:49-50). As the Babylonians conquered Israel so did the New Birth experience. When the Holy Ghost came on the Day of Pentecost, it did conquer the evil desires of the carnal flesh and still does. Everyone needs to receive what happened in Acts 2.
What bearing dies Christ's promise to believers, found in the more sure word of John 14, have on this discussion, and on believers today? Has Christ's promise to guide believers directly through the Holy Spirit ceased today?
Proverbs 16:33 33 The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD. This was how the Apostles replaced Judas. Although certain players from the charismatic movement have made a mockery of "the Lord told me," we should be balanced. How can one say God is sovereign, BUT he doesn't give dreams, visions, words, etc. Let's avoid all extremes!
Around 13:00 there is a mistake. Here, Scott says, "When the apostles were choosing a replacement for Judas, they did not ask for direct revelation. They consulted the Word and then made an informed decision." We all make mistakes and I'm sure if this were brought up to Scott, Scott would agree. I'd be bothered if he disagreed. No, they did not make an "informed decision" in the sense of "reading the Scriptures" and then coming up with how to proceed "based on the Bible's principles." Let's see how the story went: 23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” 26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles. - Ac 1:23-26. First they prayed. Then lots were taken.
@@ScottAniolI beg your pardon Ge also speaks through the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that when the Comforter would come He would guide believers in all things.
@@HearGodsWord I believe that God does speak through His word. But Jesus made it very clear that the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, would dwell in us forever (John 14:16, 26) and teach us all things and bring all things to our remembrance.
I am not charismatic rather a cautious, exceptionalist continuationist for this present dispensation. I subscribe emphatically to the final authority of Scripture and that the canon is complete. However, the Holy Spirit does bear witness to our spirits and guides and directs. The view espoused here makes the Bible little more than a handbook or manual to shape our lives with God at a distance and can lead to a cerebral, even Spiritless Christianity that is rampant in Reformed/conservative evangelicalism. Frustration at the dryness and formalism is a factor that can draw so many in the direction of dubious charismatic groups. Not all that far away from Deism.
Lol Calvinism is the complete opposite of deism Continuationists are semi deists Calvinism believes every single thing is predetermined so whatever God's will is, it will happen 🤷
@tomtemple69 Maybe not a theoretical Deism but experientally for no small number of Calvinists not much different and driven by a sterile logic. Experiental Calvinists not just with the doctrines of Grace but the Grace of the doctrines honourably exempted.
@tomtemple69 Yes, when mixed with faith and the witness within of the Holy Spirit not just a mental assent to the overall, objective Truth of Scripture.
@tomtemple69 You do get Calvinist continationists of varying hues, some outright charismatic and today probably most who designate themselves as Calvinist would not be cessationist or complete ones at least. Even John McArthur believes the sign gifts will recur at the end of the age during the time of Jacob's Trouble after the Rapture of the church so technically Calvinist dispensationalists like him aren't cessationist altogether. I am aware of the distinction that is often made of the systematically Reformed and just the soteriologically Calvinist, the latter I would fall into.
By looking into The Scripture one can verify what “ spirit “ one is hearing ……Matthew 16:17 🤔 My sheep hear My voice 1 Thessalonians 5:21 ; Acts 17:11 . The Holy Spirit has gifts and fruit . You will know them by their fruit . Then you will know from which root
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works....2 Timothy 3:16,17 Satan doesn't want you to just believe, but to add to it dreams, voices, urges....That is very dangerous. Many Christians are mislead by following more than what scripture says.
False dichotomy that misses the scriptural witness itself is like hoping in the scriptures that point to Christ but to miss the point. For reference 1 Corinthians 12-14, Romans 12
I definitely believe that God is not silent or inactive in today's age. He continues to move among men and to act in their lives and I think that he does continue to communicate things to people. In my own life there have been concrete things that have happened that are hard to explain away naturalistically. With that said, I don't think that people need to be careful with saying "God told me. . ." Just recently I saw in the comments on a YT video where someone was talking about how God revealed to them that eternal security is a false doctrine. Then someone else, on another video, talked about how God showed them that eternal security is true. Obviously God didn't do both.
@@G3Ministries but at what point can you say this is my "heart" versus this is the Holy Spirit? I'm not saying the apocrypha is inspired. Just that the Holy Spirit can use all kinds of things to awaken someone. Salvation comes from the Word of Christ by the Spirit revealing Christ, but I refuse to limit the Holy Spirit to what He can and can't use in helping someone or calling someone. And let me be emphatic, salvation comes by hearing the Word of Christ(the Gospel)
@@mattshiff the case of Balaam comes to mind. Yes, God used a donkey to rebuke him, but that doesn’t mean we should be standing in donkey fields waiting to hear from God. Descriptive texts are by definition just that, as are anecdotes.
@@matteblak6158 I completely agree. Scripture is the normative means of special revelation. But can't God still speak to us in different ways? I've known men who have received dreams that came true. Won't go into all details but come on.... And these are men weren't charismatics, they were reformed presbyterians!
@@mattshiffthanks for replying. Yes, God can do what He wants to do. But by the same token, I am not called to exegete another person‘s dreams or experiences. And the Bible doesn’t tell us to exegete our own dreams or experiences. Deuteronomy 18 specifically forbids us from interpreting omens or using divination. Jude 8 criticizes the practice as does Colossians 2:18. My point is, but God is provided all that we need for life and godliness in the scriptures, and we can trust him to be faithful in that provision.
Being "led and guided" by the Holy Spirit is a totally different topic than "God told me". Our Bible study just a few days ago was covering this topic as we are going through Matthew and are on the wolves in sheep's clothing. Especially if people are using this phrase followed by predictions, you'd better see a HUGE red flag, if not, you should be concerned about why you didn't see one. And if ANYTHING doesn't line up PERFECTLY with scripture, it is guaranteed false.
Noah (Genesis 6:13) Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3) Deborah (Judges 4:6) David (2 Sam 5:19, 23, 2 Sam 21:1) This is just a small handful of the scriptures that could be used to prove that God speaks and reveals His immediate will to His people. I am far from being a charismatic or pentecostal, nor do I believe that any of the modern day “prophets” are true. But those that have truly been born of the Spirit have vital reality with God.
If you use words like 'promptings', 'illumination', 'quiet voice', 'impressions', etc., of course we know what the meaning is, but where are these in the NT?
I’m not a Christian, but earnestly trying to be open to the Trinity and possibly become one. So, if I understand this video correctly, it sounds like you aren’t supposed to expect any messages from God and you should rely only upon scripture(?) I 100% agree scripture presents a very sound way to live, both individually and collectively, but it seems like if you never have any interaction with God or other way to connect with him you really just have to rely on faith alone? Not expecting any miracles or anything, but I am a little lost upon whatever relationship you are supposed to have with God, if any. Apologies if this all sounds pretty dumb, I am just trying to understand how to interpret this video.
All good questions to be sure. I would urge you to trust the Bible. God inspired the Bible, so every word in the Bible *is* God speaking to us. We can have a direct relationship with God through his Word. But yes, the Bible very clearly teaches that we have this relationship with God by faith alone; that is the key. We cannot rely on any external evidence, rather, faith is the conviction of "things not seen" (Hebrew 11:1). Believe the Bible, my friend. Repent of your sins and trust in Christ, and you will indeed enjoy a rich and deep relationship with him.
I appreciate it (both commentors). I think I fully understand the idea there is no external evidence, but I think I was under the impression there was something more like internal evidence. Anyway, I am sure I would articulate it poorly here if I tried. I will of course maintain an open mind/heart going forward as well.
@@BuddyLee23 Hey, glad to dialogue about this. The Bible does clearly teach that once we repent of our sins and trust in Christ to save us, that the Holy Spirit of God indwells us and testifies with our spirits that we are children of God. He does not speak to us, but he give us an inner peace and assurance that we are indeed his. He also opens our minds and hearts to recognize the Bible as his Word, a love for his Word, and a willingness to submit to its teaching. All of this is absolutely internal work that the Spirit of God does for a believer. But the Bible does not each that he will speak to us.
Correct. The Word of God (Scripture/Bible) in Galatians 3:11 (and others as well point to faith alone) says, "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” ESV Grace alone. Faith alone. Christ alone. 🙏❤️
What the Bible actually teaches is 1 Corinthians 14:1, which tells us to eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially that we may prophesy. Even when I was a former cessationist, I never doubted that the Word of God did not teach such a position nor encourage us to create safeguards outside that which the apostles provided. Do not despise prophetic utterances, nor forbid speaking in tongues. Examine everything. Let one speak and the others judge. The Peter passage has been wrested from its context, within the full abundance of gifts, and would not logically rebuke prophetic utterances. The close mindedness is sad, but familiar to me. Better to remain open to the sovereignty of the Holy Spirit and judge and examine individual instances.
@@tomtemple69 Yes Tom. While the entire Bible is useful for instruction, the gospels and rest of the NT were inspired by God and written to teach us how to live as followers of Jesus.
@@tomtemple69 Yes, there was an original audience. Yet, these letters were also circulated. 2,000 years later these writings are still just as applicable “to” this generation of Christ followers as it was “to” that generation. What is the point you are trying to make so subtly Tom? Surely you have an agenda in admin these questions which you have not yet revealed my friend. Let us speak plainly.
Suppose any said "prompting, impression or nudge" results in that which TRULY glorifies God and His character (not obvious folly)...is that such a heretical thing?
I am not a cessationists, I believe we have failed being the New Creation failing walking in Jesus’s Authority. And I Believe He Still Speaks To Us In Many Ways. If you read the Bible it Reminds us of all the Different Ways People Were Spoken Too. I know many people dislike it when we say God is The Same Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow. We say we want to hear God Live by His Word but , We Won’t Act Upon It , But Expect God To Do Things For Us. If you want to hear God Act Upon His Word And Let Him Direct You
The book of Hebrews tell us that past time God spoke thru the prophets and the fathers but in these last days he has(past tense,)spoken thru Jesus Christ. Did his voice sound like yours?
How do we explain the emotional dancing and singing in many churches in Uganda, and other African countries, along with South America, Asia and other parts of the world? Are Reformed and dispensational American Evangelicals the only ones who are right? Or are we just arrogant Americans who deny any emotional outpouring of people's experience of the presence of the Holy Spirit? Where is the balance?
We Americans all have Bibles, often several, and access to trained Evangelical preachers. Most in third world countries do not have a Bible. Few did before the printing g press, yet Jesus built his church.
Tom Shriner is right, God is still the same. I feel so sorry for theologians that know so little about the reality of our Great God who speaks to his people even today like He did in the old and New Testament. The Holy Spirit is not mute !!!!!!
Jesus said in Jhn 5:39, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life." He later said in Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. Listen to the words of Jesus. The Bible does not have life in itself. If you don't hear His voice, you're not His sheep.
can someone explain 2:54 about illumination? I pray before reading my Bible that the Holy Spirit would help me understand what I'm reading. Is this wrong? How should I go about understanding it if I don't? I do read commentaries, John Macarthur's study notes in my Bible. Please help me, if I'm in error I do want to repent & ask rightly of God for His help. thank you! edit, I don't expect Him to talk to me out loud, or in my head or through events or anything.
No, you're absolutely correct. I think what Scott is saying here is there are those who pray that the Spirit would "illumine the text," expecting signs and wonders to follow in His leading us. But praying that prayer, expecting the Holy Sprit to guide us into proper interpretation of what has been written is necessary for our understanding. We should first pray for understanding according to what the authors intended to convey under the influence of the Holy Spirit when they wrote it down (Philippians 4:6-7). In fact, more people should pray before they read Scripture. It would save many from a whole lot of false teaching.
No, you are not wrong. God will not sanctify His people in the truth of His word apart from the work of His Spirit. If we don’t specifically ask for God to help us before reading or listening to Scripture, that need for Him to do so should at least be reflected in our humble, reverent attitude towards it. This TH-cam is largely right. However, I’m also convinced that it’s possible for one’s theology and doctrine have a little too rationalistic focus. God help us when we avoid one ditch to end up in the other.
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Good job. As a former Pentecostal minister I can attest to the amount of mischief this plague is working in the church.
Psh
As a former Pentecostal, I concur.
Blackaby is a name I know too well, I had his book Experiencing God on audiotape and listened over and over.
As a new believer I was inundated with this type of teaching and it was common to hear god told me or I feel god is telling me.
Charles Stanley’s, Blackaby’s and Beth Moore’s teaching caused me great pain and doubt in my salvation. I was sure God must not love me as much as them because I didn’t hear his voice like they did or like they said I should.
I prayed and cried and listened and agonized because I couldn’t hear him!
Slowly I heard good teaching like RC Sproul, D James Kennedy and John MacArthur and realized God’s promise in the gospel is true and isn’t dependent on my hearing or feeling him.
I finally found freedom and peace in the person and work of Christ alone.
Check out "God Doesn't Whisper" by Jim Osman. Excellent book, it helped me greatly, and I hope it helps you as well
I launched my copy of Blackaby across the room after reading "Decision Making and the Will of God" by Gary Freisen. I've lost count of how many copies I've given away. Changed me forever. Check it out. It's a dense, biblically-stout read, but well worth the effort.
I can relate to your pain and fears - when I was a baby Christian they tried to insist I speak in tongues! I had hands laid on me and prayers - but nothing ever happened,!
Like you I felt like a second class Christian! But now I am more mature I am glad nothing happened!
I have read a lot and “tongues” and “second blessings “ as they insisted - are not proof of salvation or being born again by the Grace of God. I too now have peace in the person and work of Christ.
I do not rely on feelings and hearing voices - but God’s promises and His Word. K
What you really mean is, "I finally found freedom and peace in the biblical narrative of Christ alone." If you truly believed in "the person and work of Christ alone," then you would recognize that Christ is not walking among us in bodily form to give us specific counsel regarding matters of great importance. Thankfully, the Lord Jesus has not left us as orphans, but He has given us His Spirit. The Spirit of Jesus, the Counselor(!), teaches us ALL things. ALL things! The Spirit-inspired Bible is the foundation of our knowledge of Christ, but the Bible does not tell you whether you should take the job in Spokane or whether you should marry or whether you should go stand next to that chariot. Why pray if we aren't expecting the Spirit of Jesus to tell us, "Not Bithynia--Macedonia! Macedonia!" We trust the Bible, but we do not worship the Bible. Our worship is reserved for Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God, who speaks through His written Word AND through His Spirit.
Being a Reformed/Covenantal/Confessional Baptist I would concur with all of this. I believe a lot charismatics are looking for personal power and experience apart from Christ and the Bible.
But, however anecdotal this may seem, I had a time in my life where I was far from God in major sin. One night I “heard” in my spirit “you’re done with this”… I began sweating profusely and was brought in 30 seconds to repentance.
This was all in line Biblically and with God sanctifying me.
I was running from Him and not asking for this experience or revelation.
That is why I would still be a cessationist today, but there’s a complexity to life that can’t be distilled down to a simple dichotomy.
Well said brother. God bless you. You explained it how I feel about it.👏🏾👏🏾
Or your own spirit told you that because God regenerated you and you came to faith
The Holy Spirit convicting you of sin and judgement. That is what the Holy Spirit does
@@tomtemple69Regeneration only comes from the Holy Spirit
Are you a born again, Christian?
His spirit beres witness with our spirit that we are children of god .
Thank you for the" BIBLE VERSE".
Simple and profoundly so Micheal.
God spoke to me last night. He even wrote it down so I would not forget. 😅 Scripture and nothing but the scriptures! Sola Scriptura.
Just the other day a friend of mine was talking about a "word" spoken over a former music minister who is now a pastor of his own church. She meant it as a prophecy. This type of thing used to make me feel terrible when things didn't happen or actually got worse because I thought it was my fault. God graciously brought me into the light. His yoke is easy. Glory be to God!
The written word of God scripture is sufficient. Thank you. From Kenya
As an ex-charismatic I have long-believed that one of the ways charismatic beliefs are subtly influencing the Evangelical community is via the CCM and praise and worship songs.
Totally agree. They love to manipulate people's emotion.
@@CrowneofBeautyFromAshes Contemporary Christian Music.
We are to learn scripture and hear God speaks through His word.
Thank you for posting this video, sir! It made much sense to me. I too was a member of succession of “charismatic” style churches (A/G, non-denom., COG, etc.) over the last 30 years (give / take), but have been growing in my present state as cessationist. I am always willing to listen to a “preacher,” even if he speaks really fast, but if he doesn’t properly quote Scripture to back up his topics, or at least give a reasonable amount of time to let it “sink in,” then I am remaining skeptical of his stance.
This doctrine created a lot of confusion in the Church. I used to be a Charismatic who believed in all of those things, hearing God’s voice through dreams, visions, impressions, intuition, promptings, etc… it is a very serious and dangerous spiritual experience if you open yourself up to it! It’s like topping into the psychic world, you can feel something, hear something, see weird dreams and pictures in your mind. Before you know it, you’re into mysticism/ occultism. It might even lead you to the path of mental illness. Most Charismatics/Pentecostals I know, especially those who claim to hear God’s voice don’t act normal. My previous Pentecostal pastor for example concerns me. He thinks the Holy Spirit causes his heart to be so disturbed and troubled when he is about to get into a car accident! Then he prays urgently so that he can escape the accident! He always gives this kind of testimony from the pulpit. You can imagine what kind of Holy Spirit that is!😏
I quite agree with this, there is a real danger present, when people are encouraged to follow natural instincts, random thoughts, and read into things(omens almost)as supposing this is desirable and to be sought as normative for the work of God for faith. I thiink your right, this can lead potentially to mania or obsessive behavour, and if there are people with background issues already, this could just be the thing that triggers serioius problems. One should exercise great caution and self honesty in regard to subjective process and also interpreting personal circumstances and events.
Even so, there has to be some kind of exceptable scope for Gods personal presence in Christian experience. For example, guidance and evidences of Gods power and witness of the Spirit ?
Once again, I am grateful for you testimony and honesty. I am finding many others are finding out the shortcomings of the charrismatic movement, and have been honest enough to admit where they were going wrong. It is encouraging to see this and that there is a way forward afterwards -without losing faith and walking away from God. He is still real and knowable beyond the hype and error we may have fallen prey to.
@@MrEddyKnox YES! Thank you for your encouragement!
This is treading a fine line… we must be careful not to become as Steve Lawson says the ‘frozen chosen’, as much as I love this channel & it’s presenters there is a feeling of ‘frozeness’ with this subject as I’m far from charismatic; I remember hearing Paul Washer give a story about when he was in college and a young man who feared him ( pre Washer conversion) was promoted to knock on his door and give him the gospel-it made a massive impression on Washer and was pivotal in his turning to Christ, so what do we make of this ? Like i said I’m not charismatic (I’m reformed) but I think we need to be careful that we don’t become the frozen chosen thinking that God doesn’t prompt us through His spirit.
Thank you, Brother Scott! Your statement cleared up a lot of my misunderstanding of "supposedly" hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit! I can trust in the sufficiency of the word of God, period!
Thank you. As a pastor, I have found quite a few opportunities to share this video in just the brief few days that it has been on your channel. This is something that I’m sure many pastors have addressed, but I appreciate it the fact that you put this out there so that I can just share it pretty much immediately upon someone talking about this kind of thing, unfortunately it happens too much so once again, thank you for this.
This is deep. Even as cessationists, we are guilty.
I ought to listen to this often and many times. Thanks Scott ❤.
I find this to be very good and true observations . We are seeing this becoming increasingly popular in reformed circles
Yep!
As many as our lead by the spirit of God; they are the sons of God
Great video. They just want to show off. They want to prove how much more spiritual they are compare to others.
That's what I see too--it's about their ego. Look how angry/annoyed lots of people are with Justin Peters about his view on the controversial phenomenon of Jesus allegedly appearing to Muslims in dreams and visions.
It might have been better to wait until this video was available and to watch it carefully before posting your comment. You have the right to disagree and comment but please show some respect. Thank you.
That's how Satan tricked Eve by getting her to listen to him.
I am an IFB pastor. some might consider IFB movement to be the strongest cessationist movement yet I now constantly hear many IFB speakers constantly claiming that God told them, or spoke to their heart and claiming Jesus name or the blood is dealing with demonic influence.
I was going to repost my comment in case anyone is on the fence. This teaching is wild. But now I’m questioning his final point. He’s saying the Holy Spirit does NOT speak in the world today!? Because if that’s his take, how does that make any sense!? Even in the time of the Bible, THEY had previous scripture.
Jesus died and left US with the Spirit of God and we completely deny is voice in the earth today?!
I love and appreciate this teaching as I hear many women use these phrases. When I was a new believer they made me “feel” 🙄 very unspiritual. Years later I see how it just glorifies self, that the Holy Spirit would talk to little old me. Also, the transfiguration explanation, wow! Thank you!
I appreciate the tone of your recorded message. The Holy Spirit, however; certainly prompts his to think, say, and perform certain things. To deny that would be to deny a big part of why he lives in us. The spirit will always lead us, according to the word, and in the direction of Jesus Christ.
SO VERY THANKFUL that this topic has seemed to gain traction (or else Im stuck in a TH-cam algorithm). So much confusion and frustration out there because we won't just accept what God HAS said. God took so much trouble and put believers through so much trouble so that we could benefit from their accounts and insights. How dare we ask for more instead of charishing what we've been given in Scripture.
Could you elaborate some more as to what illumination means ?
Seeking the proper application of the Word would require the Spirit to bring the word in such a way as to apply its meaning.
If if we don't believe the Holy Spirit guides and directs us on things, major things to do. We're missing the whole boat of our Comforter
He does - thru the Bible, not angelic visits or audible speaking. That's at issue here. If we can get an honest discussion going that nobody denies the existence or work of the Holy Spirit but the fact that it's far less spectacular than charismatics make it out to be, that would be great.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
You have no way to know if or when that's happening. If you can't be sure its the Holy Spirit, you can be sure it isn't. Scripture is what you can be SURE of. Here are two video s that may change your life. They changed mine. I have walked with so much peace since first hearing these. The confusion of the Christian life suddenly wasn't so blurry anymore. Work on following Gods will clearly set out in scripture before trying to interpret far from clear mental impressions.
th-cam.com/video/SGnHAqu9Geo/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/fxsd5sFaSm4/w-d-xo.html
Right. This is wild. Why would we limit God in this way!?
Are they even saved!? This is how people can read the Bible and have no understanding. Jesus says in John 14:16-17 that He would give us a helper and the world cannot accept Him because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
Acts 2:38 - When you repent and are baptized, you receive the Holy Spirit.
Is this having a form of godliness but denying the power of?
All the verses that say we are to overcome sin by the Holy Spirit who corrects us!!
1 Cor 2:12-14
“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.”
1 Corinthians 2:12-14 NASB1995
bible.com/bible/100/1co.2.12-14.NASB1995
Exactly
How does the Holy Spirit convict us when we sin if He doesn't speak to us directly in some manner?
Through the word, the ministry of the Holy Spirit and scripture are directly intertwined Ephesians 5:18- Colossians 3:16. Notice how both these passages mirror eachother and equate being spirit filled with letting Christs word dwell in us richly with all wisdom teaching and leading us to admonish one another with hymns, psalms(scripture) and spiritual songs. And look what Galatians 5:17-26 says 17For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; 20idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us walk in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying one another. As believers who have been endwelt by the Spirit, the Spirit will fill us with fruit that are evident, and will fill us with the truths of scripture, and whenever we do something contrary, you will have a grievance. You don’t need audible speaking we have the word which the Holy Spirit authored!! Hope this helps, God bless🙏
He has spoken directly to us in his Word, and his Word tells what is sin so that when we do sin, we are convicted.
Also to add, He has spoken to us through the word 2 Peter 1:21
Ephesians 5:18 and Colossians 3:16. Notice how both these passages mirror eachother by equating being filled with the Spirit with letting the word of Christ dwell in you richly with all wisdom teaching and hymns and psalms(scripture). And if you are endwelt by the Spirit, you are a new creature in Christ that bears fruit as evidence and will walk according to the Spirit rather than flesh, deeds of the flesh being contrary to your new nature according to scripture which was authored by the Spirit. Galatians 5:17-26. And when you do stumble into sin the Bible tells us that we grieve the Spirit which convicts us of our wretched sin against a Holy God🙏hopes this helps
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is [a]inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for [b]rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness;
By the word of God, the Bible. Read it. When you are familiar with it, it will come to mind.
Amen. Truth.
One word. Excellent.
And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.“
Acts 2:17-18 ESV
To say that the verse above no longer applies up until Christ's return because the cannon is closed (a modern canon of 66 books is prophesied nowhere in scripture) is actually VERY unscriptural.
One of the most interesting and someone ironic things that people say specially church leaders who say they believe that the gifts are ceased is this statement I believe the God has lead has start studying the book of revelation all the book of Matthew… what does that mean….. are they saying they’ve had a prompting from God to read that particular book and study that book and yet they say cessationists …..its interesting
Thank you brother
I needed to hear this, thank you
As the year ends, every pastor is going to come out with "a prophetic message from God" concerning next year's course of action😂. In Uganda where I come from, every small local church will be having a different "theme" and it is interesting how people work towards such set goals! If God would change His mind every year, then it seems scriptures would have been different from what we know! Surely we are so lost in paganism, witchcraft, divination...trying to seek God with desperate means.
I agree to sticking with the word, that is why I do not accept cessationism, as it is a deviation from the word. God promised power to his church, and the book of acts shows what that looks like. Personally, I lean towards the logical side, and do not have a lot of spiritual experiences myself. However, I rejoice in those that have had true spiritual experiences, especially experiences that have moved them towards salvation. The late Walter Martin did some excellent teaching in the area of cessationism.
Thank you, this was very helpful.
When I hear, "God told me" I always give pause.
Can God speak to us, in a quiet or miraculous way? Ofcourse, if He so chooses. But I do think most of the time it is a persons feeling or own desire speaking.
I come from a very Charismatic family. I myself have a more reformed light soteriology. I just feel sometimes the reformed thinking limits God and some even out right deny the Holy Spirit's power all together.
God is God. His ways are not ours and we in our limited human knowledge / understanding cannot fully figure out how He chooses to work His will upon mankind.
Keep up the good work!PTL
Faith,hearing,believing & salvation all comes from the Scripture ( the written Word of God)
-- Romans 1:16, 10:14-15, Heb 4:12
I may be late to the video, but it seems to me that casting lots, as the Apostles did in Acts 1:26, was considered to be a way of knowing God's divine will. They prayed first (Acts 1:24) and then cast lots, anyway.
I do believe the Holy Spirit, Who resides in any Christian abiding in Christ, perhaps brings to mind what has been revealed. I also have personal experience that leads me to believe our guardian angel can prompt, guide or command us to made the prudent decision.
AMEN!! Sola Scriptura!
I saw an earlier video on the "Pentecostalization" happening among Evangelicals. Then I saw this video. Yes, I am Charismatic do believe that the Spirit is capable speaking to God's children through the still small voice. At the same time, the Spirit will never contradict God's written Word or go against God's revealed character and revealed will.
What is this trend that Scott talking about? I haven't really been following; as I'm busy with my channel. I am just looking to understand what's happening to inspire Scott's video. I really didn't think much of it when I saw the video on contemporary worship. I'll check back and watch this video, later.
God still speaks through many ways but needs to be tested against the revealed will of God in the scriptures.
God still heals supernaturally in answer to prayers not that we can 100% know who and when as it still happens all around not necessarily in a healing rally but in simple unexpected situations
This is great teaching!
Thank you
How can someone be a Christian but claim that God doesn't speak to His people? When you read the Scripture, the Holy Spirit is illuminating the meaning of the text to you! In fact, you wouldn't be able to understand it without the Spirit's active guidance on account of our fallen nature. God is, in effect, "impressing" upon you the meaning of His Word. God does speak to His people, but He does it within the confines of His revealed Word. What the Spirit tells you will never contradict the Scripture. If God doesn't speak to people at all anymore, what would be the point of praying for God's guidance on things like making a major life decision, like picking a job or selecting a spouse? The Bible itself doesn't address each and every person's individual situation. There must be some level of direct, personal communication from God to believers.
God speaks through Bible. Period
Thank you for this clear teaching.
There have been two times in my life, these were times when I was faced with what seemed like big decisions to make, and I had a dream that I was dead and had to face God and tell him why I decided to do what I did.
And then the answer was clear to me:
The first time, I was newly married and found that I was pregnant with my first child, and so was happy. But then, still in the first trimester, I began to have a stroke - I was paralyzed on one side of my body.
The doctors advised me to abort the baby.
In my dream, I heard myself trying to justify killing the baby, using the doctors as an excuse.
And in my dream, the person who I dreamt was God or somebody facilitating (I don’t know) asked me “but are you bleeding to death? Is the stroke getting worse? Are you really dying?”
And so, maybe it was my subconscious mind trying to work things out, maybe it was the still small voice of the Holy Spirit visiting me in my dream.
But when I explained it to anyone at that time (40 years ago) I just said, simply “God told me…”
I’m thankful for these great videos here.
When criticizing the claim that there’s no direct passage indicating that God longer speaks in this way, Scott Aniol states that this is exactly what Peter was doing when he appeals to a more sure Word (the Scriptures). Is this not Peter telling people to rightly order the different ranks of revelation? It does not even imply the idea that God no longer gives direct revelation. If I am misunderstanding this claim, please help me to understand.
Brilliant!!!
Why can't the less sure be confirmed by the more sure? Cessationism biblically speaking downplays the role of the Holy Spirit. God uses both the Word and Spirit! Amen. Praise God!!
Why even dabble in the less sure which must be confirmed by the more sure? Cessationists don’t downplay the works of the Holy Spirit . The issue is that some folks are attributing foolishness and error to the Holy Spirit .
It doesn't downplay the Holy Spirit.
The role of the holy Spirit is to convict of sin and sanctify the sinner. Not to affirm whatever dark idea the sinner conjurors from their conscience.
You aren't hearing from God, you are hearing from your own fallible heart.
I believe God speaks to us through His word. People who say God told me, is not God, but their god. So if it's not God Almighty, then it's a dark demonic spirit.
Well said.
What you don’t understand is “God spoke to me” stems from a Reformed approach to divine revelation. When they divorced the spiritual from the physical by degrading the sacraments, they began to look within for assurance and thus God’s voice
'Reformed' can be continuationists or cessationists.
❤ Great explanation.
That last part “we do not need the voice of God”…
I also came from a charismatic, WOF, type background. I need to listen and read scripture carefully on this. Only because I'm trying to understand something. For example, my husband had been praying and he believes and i also, that God thru the holy Spirit unctioned us to move. I sold my house in 3 days. 4 months later, hurricane Harvey destroyed that entire neighborhood. I want to understand.
May I suggest you read up on confirmation bias and the doctrine of Providence. Additionally, check up on Oral Roberts need for a building in Oklahoma City.
2 Peter 1:19 on the commentary on the adjective “more certain” (bebaioteron). I prefer NET’s explanation than hours: The meaning, as construed in the translation, is that the Bible (in this case, the OT) that these believers had in their hands was a thoroughly reliable guide. Whether it was more certain than was even Peter's experience on the Mount of Transfiguration depends on whether the adjective should be taken as a true comparative ("more certain") or as an elative ("very certain, altogether certain"). Some would categorically object to any experience functioning as a confirmation of the scriptures and hence would tend to give the adjective a comparative force. Yet the author labors to show that his gospel is trustworthy precisely because he was an eyewitness of this great event. Further, to say that the OT scriptures (the most likely meaning of "the prophetic word") were more trustworthy an authority than an apostle's own experience of Christ is both to misconstrue how prophecy took place in the OT (did not the prophets have visions or other experiences?) and to deny the final revelation of God in Christ (cf. Heb 1:2). In sum, since syntactically the meaning that "we have confirmed the prophetic word by our experience" is improbable, and since contextually the meaning that "we have something that is a more reliable authority than experience, namely, the Bible" is unlikely, we are left with the meaning "we have a very reliable authority, the Old Testament, as a witness to Christ's return." No comparison is thus explicitly made. This fits both the context and normal syntax quite well. The introductory καί (kai) suggests that the author is adding to his argument. He makes the statement that Christ will return, and backs it up with two points: (1) Peter himself (as well as the other apostles) was an eyewitness to the Transfiguration, which is a precursor to the Parousia; and (2) the Gentile believers, who were not on the Mount of Transfiguration, nevertheless have the Old Testament, a wholly reliable authority that also promises the return of Christ.
You said, “The Spirit inspired Word is more certain than when the Spirit speak directly to us… even if he (i.e. the Spirit) did speak the Word would still be more sure than that revelation from the Spirit”. This statement is confusing. It creates levels of authority in divine revelation. If it comes from the Spirit of God it carries God’s authority. Today, if the Spirit did speak in the same manner and intention that he did to the prophets and apostles, then that has equal weight and authority as divine revelation. As explained above, Peter is not saying that his eyewitness testimony has less authority than the OT. What we ought to say is that the Spirit does not speak to us today in the same manner and intention when he spoke to his apostles and prophets in giving divine revelation. Christ is the fullness of divine revelation and therefore we do not expect more than what Christ gave to his apostles.
We shouldn’t strawman also Blackaby, Stanley or Schriener as if they were saying that we ought to hear from God outside of Scripture. They are not talking about inscripturation but on how the Spirit today relates to us when seeking for specific guidance for a specific tasks and circumstances . All of these men will submit to the Scripture as the final authority to navigate through specific circumstances. When we ask for God’s guidance, are we saying that God will not use counsel, circumstances, providence, promptings, friends, elders and other means to help us decide? I hope not! I think this is what Blackaby is trying to unlock and, I agree, that he took it so far and many of his examples are not helpful, although in principle, God does guide his people through many means not outside of Scriptural revelation but grounded by it. God’s guidance to our specific circumstances should be seen through the ultimate authority of Scripture, yet the outworking of his providence uses all means necessary to bring us to a level of certainty that we are in conformity to his will as revealed in Scripture. And yet, we accept, as believers that we are not infallible and we constantly pray that God will guide and lead us to the right choice. We begin by exploring what Scripture say and the principles we can apply but we always check our understanding through the counsel of others, circumstances, dispositions, emotional and mental conditions, and yes, even impressions.
God is not passive on how and when we apply Scriptural truths. Providence teaches us that he works in all things and he uses means. Therefore, we can ask for guidance. While in New Zealand, a religious man approached me and shared his religious beliefs with me. He tried to convert me to a non-trinitarian understanding of God. While he was talking, I prayed silently and ask the Holy Spirit to help me explain the truth with gentleness and love. After prayer, a thought came to mind that this person might be so prepared to answer John 1:1. So, Idid not go to the usual text like John 1:1 but I focused on Hebrews 1. The man said he has not studied Hebrews 1 thoroughly and promised that he will take it into consideration. I do not believe that my own intellect just selected Hebrews 1 for discussion especially after I prayed. I believe God used my previous experience, prompted me and guided my explanation to the man. God guides and answers prayers specific to our circumstances and he uses means to bring us to a level of certainty or understanding to make the right choice. That’s why we pray for guidance. To say that God will not use impressions or other means to guide us is unhelpful and creates a false reality as if understanding Scriptural truths and its application to specific circumstances is divorced from personal human experience, emotions, and circumstances.
I think you hurt your argument when you say things like they replaced Judas buy Consulting the word and making informed decisions, and not asking for direct revelation, when in fact they ultimately cast lots to make the final decision.
The Scripture is sufficient and authoritative. Any other word from God outside from the Bible must be rejected and refuted.
It really is that simple, but people still get misled
Question: @13:00 you state that the Apostles did not ask for direct revelation when choosing a replacement for Judas, but that they consulted the Word and made an informed decision. When reading Acts 1:12-26 I see the Apostles consulting the Word and confirming the need to replace Judas. (Acts 1:20,21) However, after that they prayed and asked God to show them which of the two they should choose. (Acts 1:24,25) It appears that they are indeed asking God for revelation of some sorts. Then to make it more confusing (for me at least, LOL) they cast lots to see who it should be. I'm assuming the Apostles were trusting God to reveal his will through this act. Not trolling here, I'm a cessationists and I'm just trying to understand this issue as Biblically as possible. Maybe my definition of "direct revelation" needs to be adjusted.
They were Jews. Jews used to cast lots in the OT to make some decisions- Example - Leviticus 16:8.
Now we know that this was in a controlled environment, and it was a direct command or instruction from God, and it wouldn’t be applicable now because we do not need to do that. We have the Bible, the people of the book did not. And perhaps the apostles were just following their Jewish traditions, as we see Peter going to the temple in Acts 3:1-12.
@@utipessien6231plus they had not received the Holy Spirit yet inside of them right?
@@utipessien6231 Thanks for the reply!
"Now we know that this was in a controlled environment"- What do you mean by a "controlled environment?"
"and it was a direct command or instruction from God, "- How do we know this, is it stated in scripture?
"perhaps the apostles were just following their Jewish traditions"- Maybe, but it was something that God still honored and revealed His will through.
Your response does not answer the main question I have. The video states that the Apostles did not ask for direct revelation, but scripture indeed does shows us that they prayed and asked God to show them which one to choose. Then trusting the casting of lots to reveal Gods choice.
@@jkrjhn8 hello. What I meant was the priests in ancient Israel would cast lots in the OT, as a way to hear from God, and it was a controlled environment meaning only the apostles did this, they didn’t do it in plain view of the entire congregation, the church hadn’t started yet, they hadn’t received the Holy- Spirit yet, so that would explain why they used this ancient method of casting lots to make decisions, and also why they never did it again, because they had no need to once they had been filled by the Spirit. So yes they didn’t ask for direct revelation, but used a method that they were already familiar with because of their Jewish roots. I hope I explained it clearly.
Exodus 28:30
Also put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpiece, so they may be over Aaron’s heart whenever he enters the presence of the Lord. Thus Aaron will always bear the means of making decisions for the Israelites over his heart before the Lord.
Numbers 27:21
He is to stand before Eleazar the priest, who will obtain decisions for him by inquiring of the Urim before the Lord. At his command he and the entire community of the Israelites will go out, and at his command they will come in.”
@@utipessien6231 Thanks again for the response! I 'm not sure I totally understand the points you are making, but i will ponder your answers.
Would you mind answering another question: How does the Holy Spirit lead the Christian today? If I understand correctly from the video then when I wake up in the middle of the night and have an urge to check on one of my children and it turns out they were struggling with something at that moment, that is not the Holy Spirit. Another time is when my wife was dying. All the adult believers woke up @0350 and came into where we were sleeping and said good bye as she breathed her last breath. Again, not the Holy Spirit according to this video.
I want to reiterate that I am not trolling, I do consider myself a cessationist. However I really do struggle with how God leads the believer through this life. I understand His leading through scripture and the importance of that being the source of truth.
Get a relationship with God and you will hear
The voice in your head is not God
@@tomtemple69 It's not a voice in your head
Good video. One time there had to be direct revelation between the Apostles and the Holy Spirit occurred at the Council of Jerusalem in circa 48 AD. The only Scripture they had to consult was what we now call the Old Testament and the OT was clear that circumcision should be mandated but, as the later written New Testament states, it was not mandated for the Gentiles.
Also, the church teaches that all revelation, both written and oral, ceased with the death of John. All that remaines after that is the Holy Spirit leading the church into all truth, which can be said to be a deeper and fuller understanding of revelation such as doctrines like the Trinity, the two natures of Christ, the Nicene Creed and the Canon of Scripture itself.
Looks like we need another term, cessantionist and hyper-cessationist.
Rather than simply hurling a pejorative, why don't you substantiate your position/opinion? This isn't constructive or mature.
@@jackstockdale2583 I actually didn't hurl a pejorative, but recommended terms for differing views within Cessantionism.
This is why the Reformed church *must* teach Calvin's Institutes, which are a Deeply Biblical, Cessationist, Reformed, Document that contains all of the wonderful Biblical Theology of the one, True, Reformed, Protestant, Christian Faith, to the Catechumen as soon as they are able to Understand, so they will not be lead astray, as I myself once was, Oh yes, I am an Ex Charismatic myself, by Charismaniac Voodoo and the Lies of Parham, White, Wesley, Arminius, Rome, Hell and Satan that have snuck in past Sleeping Watchmen!
Hmm..Yes God’s word is the ultimate authority. However, God does direct us through his Holy Spirit to speak to us in His will for our lives.
Of course what he speaks through us should align with God’s character and that is only confirmed through His word. But to say that the Holy Spirit doesn’t speak to his people through impressions or leading us with the still small voice is wrong.
I agree. Unfortunately, certain characteristics have hijacked this. God speaks, and it must align with His word and His character.
Amen. He is the Living God. He created us to spend time with Him and communicate 'with' Him. And He does. But I agree that everything must line up with Scripture and with God's character. Reading His Word is helpful in knowing Him and what is from Him and what isn't.
"still small voice" is a common Twisted out of context saying, that is not prophecy
So are we suppose to inquire of the Lord?
Absolutely! Inquire of him and turn to his Word.
God told me better be followed by chapter and verse
I am in general agreement with you and I have seen the Cessassionist movie as well and the explanation makes sense. What I'm confused about is when someone I know says to me that felt the Holy Spirit speak to them to tell them to witness to their dying family member or they had a dream or vision of someone they know and they never knew these details prior to the dream or vision, and yet the details were accurate. How do we make sense of things like this from a cessassionist viewpoint? I don't want to write off these people as being crazy or lying, but we also know our hearts can deceive us. If these things aren't from God, what would they be? If from Satan, what would Satan have to gain from it, especially if it led to a loved one's salvation? How do you make sense of something like Nabeel Quarasi's account of a dream before his salvation? Is it possible that God may use dreams or visions or audible voices rarely with unbelievers in certain circumstances, and then He ceases to do so once they get saved? For clarification, I'm not talking about an unbeliever claiming to hang out with Jesus or regularly hearing God talk to them, but rather something like "a voice told me to stop for you". "I was at a bar and a voice in my head told me to get up and leave and then I felt prompted to go to church and I got saved" or something like that. What is the best way to understand those things biblically, being as charitable as possible with our assessment of others?
Which is greater: God Speaking and Confirming, or God Healing and Confirming?
I suppose that God doesn't desire to act contrary to external effects of fallen nature until Jesus returns, or how does cessationism play out?
what aboit those who have dreams of Jesus in the middle east and are converted?
The only problem with some of this interpretation is that when the apostles spoke about the word of God they were speaking of the Old Testament. They would not be referring to their own letters. They didn’t have a New Testament then. Something to think about.
Unfortunately, the good brother quoted the wrong verse concerning "speaking in other tongues." He quoted Isaiah 28, but Paul clearly said it was in "the law" in I Corinthians 14:21. So here is the correct verse he should have quoted. “The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young” (Deuteronomy 28:49-50).
As the Babylonians conquered Israel so did the New Birth experience. When the Holy Ghost came on the Day of Pentecost, it did conquer the evil desires of the carnal flesh and still does. Everyone needs to receive what happened in Acts 2.
What bearing dies Christ's promise to believers, found in the more sure word of John 14, have on this discussion, and on believers today? Has Christ's promise to guide believers directly through the Holy Spirit ceased today?
Proverbs 16:33
33 The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD.
This was how the Apostles replaced Judas.
Although certain players from the charismatic movement have made a mockery of "the Lord told me," we should be balanced. How can one say God is sovereign, BUT he doesn't give dreams, visions, words, etc. Let's avoid all extremes!
Around 13:00 there is a mistake. Here, Scott says, "When the apostles were choosing a replacement for Judas, they did not ask for direct revelation. They consulted the Word and then made an informed decision." We all make mistakes and I'm sure if this were brought up to Scott, Scott would agree. I'd be bothered if he disagreed.
No, they did not make an "informed decision" in the sense of "reading the Scriptures" and then coming up with how to proceed "based on the Bible's principles." Let's see how the story went:
23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” 26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles. - Ac 1:23-26.
First they prayed. Then lots were taken.
can you do a video on Malachai ???
So, does God not speak by His Spirit?
God's Spirit speaks through his Word.
@@ScottAniolI beg your pardon Ge also speaks through the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that when the Comforter would come He would guide believers in all things.
It was through the Holy Spirit that the Scriptures was written. Everytime we read the Bible He is speaking to us.
@amandawhisnant2270 if you don't think God speaks through his word then you're not going to have much luck understanding it
@@HearGodsWord I believe that God does speak through His word. But Jesus made it very clear that the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, would dwell in us forever (John 14:16, 26) and teach us all things and bring all things to our remembrance.
Can more teaching on this topic or this doctrine of illumination be shared here !
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I am not charismatic rather a cautious, exceptionalist continuationist for this present dispensation. I subscribe emphatically to the final authority of Scripture and that the canon is complete. However, the Holy Spirit does bear witness to our spirits and guides and directs. The view espoused here makes the Bible little more than a handbook or manual to shape our lives with God at a distance and can lead to a cerebral, even Spiritless Christianity that is rampant in Reformed/conservative evangelicalism. Frustration at the dryness and formalism is a factor that can draw so many in the direction of dubious charismatic groups. Not all that far away from Deism.
Lol Calvinism is the complete opposite of deism
Continuationists are semi deists
Calvinism believes every single thing is predetermined so whatever God's will is, it will happen 🤷
@tomtemple69
Maybe not a theoretical Deism but experientally for no small number of Calvinists not much different and driven by a sterile logic. Experiental Calvinists not just with the doctrines of Grace but the Grace of the doctrines honourably exempted.
@@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 is that what you call following 2 Timothy 3:16-17?
@tomtemple69
Yes, when mixed with faith and the witness within of the Holy Spirit not just a mental assent to the overall, objective Truth of Scripture.
@tomtemple69
You do get Calvinist continationists of varying hues, some outright charismatic and today probably most who designate themselves as Calvinist would not be cessationist or complete ones at least. Even John McArthur believes the sign gifts will recur at the end of the age during the time of Jacob's Trouble after the Rapture of the church so technically Calvinist dispensationalists like him aren't cessationist altogether. I am aware of the distinction that is often made of the systematically Reformed and just the soteriologically Calvinist, the latter I would fall into.
By looking into The Scripture one can verify what “ spirit “ one is hearing ……Matthew 16:17 🤔 My sheep hear My voice 1 Thessalonians 5:21 ; Acts 17:11 . The Holy Spirit has gifts and fruit . You will know them by their fruit . Then you will know from which root
Every heretical doctrine I was ever taught was from a charismatic.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works....2 Timothy 3:16,17
Satan doesn't want you to just believe, but to add to it dreams, voices, urges....That is very dangerous. Many Christians are mislead by following more than what scripture says.
False dichotomy that misses the scriptural witness itself is like hoping in the scriptures that point to Christ but to miss the point. For reference 1 Corinthians 12-14, Romans 12
I definitely believe that God is not silent or inactive in today's age. He continues to move among men and to act in their lives and I think that he does continue to communicate things to people. In my own life there have been concrete things that have happened that are hard to explain away naturalistically. With that said, I don't think that people need to be careful with saying "God told me. . ." Just recently I saw in the comments on a YT video where someone was talking about how God revealed to them that eternal security is a false doctrine. Then someone else, on another video, talked about how God showed them that eternal security is true. Obviously God didn't do both.
What about when John Bunyan was so moved by a verse from the apocrypha that he thought it was scripture for a year. And he still found it moving...
Finding something moving isn't evidence that it's divine revelation.
@@G3Ministries but at what point can you say this is my "heart" versus this is the Holy Spirit?
I'm not saying the apocrypha is inspired. Just that the Holy Spirit can use all kinds of things to awaken someone. Salvation comes from the Word of Christ by the Spirit revealing Christ, but I refuse to limit the Holy Spirit to what He can and can't use in helping someone or calling someone.
And let me be emphatic, salvation comes by hearing the Word of Christ(the Gospel)
@@mattshiff the case of Balaam comes to mind. Yes, God used a donkey to rebuke him, but that doesn’t mean we should be standing in donkey fields waiting to hear from God. Descriptive texts are by definition just that, as are anecdotes.
@@matteblak6158 I completely agree. Scripture is the normative means of special revelation. But can't God still speak to us in different ways? I've known men who have received dreams that came true. Won't go into all details but come on.... And these are men weren't charismatics, they were reformed presbyterians!
@@mattshiffthanks for replying. Yes, God can do what He wants to do. But by the same token, I am not called to exegete another person‘s dreams or experiences. And the Bible doesn’t tell us to exegete our own dreams or experiences. Deuteronomy 18 specifically forbids us from interpreting omens or using divination. Jude 8 criticizes the practice as does Colossians 2:18. My point is, but God is provided all that we need for life and godliness in the scriptures, and we can trust him to be faithful in that provision.
Being "led and guided" by the Holy Spirit is a totally different topic than "God told me". Our Bible study just a few days ago was covering this topic as we are going through Matthew and are on the wolves in sheep's clothing. Especially if people are using this phrase followed by predictions, you'd better see a HUGE red flag, if not, you should be concerned about why you didn't see one. And if ANYTHING doesn't line up PERFECTLY with scripture, it is guaranteed false.
Noah (Genesis 6:13)
Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3)
Deborah (Judges 4:6)
David (2 Sam 5:19, 23, 2 Sam 21:1)
This is just a small handful of the scriptures that could be used to prove that God speaks and reveals His immediate will to His people.
I am far from being a charismatic or pentecostal, nor do I believe that any of the modern day “prophets” are true.
But those that have truly been born of the Spirit have vital reality with God.
If you use words like 'promptings', 'illumination', 'quiet voice', 'impressions', etc., of course we know what the meaning is, but where are these in the NT?
I have a question
I’m not a Christian, but earnestly trying to be open to the Trinity and possibly become one. So, if I understand this video correctly, it sounds like you aren’t supposed to expect any messages from God and you should rely only upon scripture(?) I 100% agree scripture presents a very sound way to live, both individually and collectively, but it seems like if you never have any interaction with God or other way to connect with him you really just have to rely on faith alone? Not expecting any miracles or anything, but I am a little lost upon whatever relationship you are supposed to have with God, if any. Apologies if this all sounds pretty dumb, I am just trying to understand how to interpret this video.
You should just check out Remnant Radio’s videos on the subject matter. They are much more balanced while also being Biblically-based.
All good questions to be sure. I would urge you to trust the Bible. God inspired the Bible, so every word in the Bible *is* God speaking to us. We can have a direct relationship with God through his Word. But yes, the Bible very clearly teaches that we have this relationship with God by faith alone; that is the key. We cannot rely on any external evidence, rather, faith is the conviction of "things not seen" (Hebrew 11:1). Believe the Bible, my friend. Repent of your sins and trust in Christ, and you will indeed enjoy a rich and deep relationship with him.
I appreciate it (both commentors). I think I fully understand the idea there is no external evidence, but I think I was under the impression there was something more like internal evidence. Anyway, I am sure I would articulate it poorly here if I tried. I will of course maintain an open mind/heart going forward as well.
@@BuddyLee23 Hey, glad to dialogue about this. The Bible does clearly teach that once we repent of our sins and trust in Christ to save us, that the Holy Spirit of God indwells us and testifies with our spirits that we are children of God. He does not speak to us, but he give us an inner peace and assurance that we are indeed his. He also opens our minds and hearts to recognize the Bible as his Word, a love for his Word, and a willingness to submit to its teaching. All of this is absolutely internal work that the Spirit of God does for a believer. But the Bible does not each that he will speak to us.
Correct. The Word of God (Scripture/Bible) in Galatians 3:11 (and others as well point to faith alone) says, "Now it is evident that no one is justified
before God by the law,
for “The righteous shall live by faith.” ESV
Grace alone. Faith alone. Christ alone.
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What the Bible actually teaches is 1 Corinthians 14:1, which tells us to eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially that we may prophesy. Even when I was a former cessationist, I never doubted that the Word of God did not teach such a position nor encourage us to create safeguards outside that which the apostles provided. Do not despise prophetic utterances, nor forbid speaking in tongues. Examine everything. Let one speak and the others judge. The Peter passage has been wrested from its context, within the full abundance of gifts, and would not logically rebuke prophetic utterances. The close mindedness is sad, but familiar to me. Better to remain open to the sovereignty of the Holy Spirit and judge and examine individual instances.
Where does it say 1 Corinthians 14 is directed to us specifically? Did Paul address his letter to you?
@@tomtemple69 Yes Tom. While the entire Bible is useful for instruction, the gospels and rest of the NT were inspired by God and written to teach us how to live as followers of Jesus.
@@Spiritualwrestler it was written for us not to us...
@@tomtemple69 Yes, there was an original audience. Yet, these letters were also circulated. 2,000 years later these writings are still just as applicable “to” this generation of Christ followers as it was “to” that generation. What is the point you are trying to make so subtly Tom? Surely you have an agenda in admin these questions which you have not yet revealed my friend. Let us speak plainly.
@@Spiritualwrestler do you make women cover their head and not speak in church?
Suppose any said "prompting, impression or nudge" results in that which TRULY glorifies God and His character (not obvious folly)...is that such a heretical thing?
I am not a cessationists, I believe we have failed being the New Creation failing walking in Jesus’s Authority. And I Believe He Still Speaks To Us In Many Ways. If you read the Bible it Reminds us of all the Different Ways People Were Spoken Too. I know many people dislike it when we say God is The Same Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow. We say we want to hear God Live by His Word but , We Won’t Act Upon It , But Expect God To Do Things For Us. If you want to hear God Act Upon His Word And Let Him Direct You
The book of Hebrews tell us that past time God spoke thru the prophets and the fathers but in these last days he has(past tense,)spoken thru Jesus Christ. Did his voice sound like yours?
I hope not
Yeah, and the people who spoke for Jesus Christ wrote the Bible
How do we explain the emotional dancing and singing in many churches in Uganda, and other African countries, along with South America, Asia and other parts of the world? Are Reformed and dispensational American Evangelicals the only ones who are right? Or are we just arrogant Americans who deny any emotional outpouring of people's experience of the presence of the Holy Spirit? Where is the balance?
We Americans all have Bibles, often several, and access to trained Evangelical preachers.
Most in third world countries do not have a Bible. Few did before the printing g press, yet Jesus built his church.
Tom Shriner is right, God is still the same. I feel so sorry for theologians that know so little about the reality of our Great God who speaks to his people even today like He did in the old and New Testament. The Holy Spirit is not mute !!!!!!
Willard->Blackaby->Shirer…what a mess!!
Jesus said in Jhn 5:39, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life."
He later said in Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Listen to the words of Jesus. The Bible does not have life in itself. If you don't hear His voice, you're not His sheep.
can someone explain 2:54 about illumination? I pray before reading my Bible that the Holy Spirit would help me understand what I'm reading. Is this wrong? How should I go about understanding it if I don't? I do read commentaries, John Macarthur's study notes in my Bible. Please help me, if I'm in error I do want to repent & ask rightly of God for His help. thank you! edit, I don't expect Him to talk to me out loud, or in my head or through events or anything.
No, you're absolutely correct. I think what Scott is saying here is there are those who pray that the Spirit would "illumine the text," expecting signs and wonders to follow in His leading us. But praying that prayer, expecting the Holy Sprit to guide us into proper interpretation of what has been written is necessary for our understanding. We should first pray for understanding according to what the authors intended to convey under the influence of the Holy Spirit when they wrote it down (Philippians 4:6-7). In fact, more people should pray before they read Scripture. It would save many from a whole lot of false teaching.
@@chrismay7094 thank you for your help, @chrismay7094 .
No, you are not wrong. God will not sanctify His people in the truth of His word apart from the work of His Spirit. If we don’t specifically ask for God to help us before reading or listening to Scripture, that need for Him to do so should at least be reflected in our humble, reverent attitude towards it. This TH-cam is largely right. However, I’m also convinced that it’s possible for one’s theology and doctrine have a little too rationalistic focus. God help us when we avoid one ditch to end up in the other.