The new product releases are almost done, got a couple more to look at it then going to get some used goodness done, sad thing is this month is so slow for PC flipping, probably the slowest month I have ever experienced TBH. Not surprising considering how much of a mad rush the 3 months leading up to christmas were.
Just a quick question Bryan.. because the Zotac is an OC model, wouldn't this explain the FPS bump? If you underclock the card to stock RTX 4070 Tie Super settings, wouldn't you get the same as the Ventus though?
usually you get 1-2 fps at best with OC models nowadays. They actually are more so a clock stretched card rather than a overvolted card, the 4070 super from gigabyte which I have to review yet, will show this in full light. The card has some serious problems in certain titles. much bigger percentage drops then can be explained from just oc.@@rick_takahashi
I love the fact you covered more than gaming performance, you've gained a subscriber. In Australia, electricity cost up to twice as much as it does here. By comparison, the AMD will cost the American consumer a bundle over the years, let alone those in other countries. You may want to look into the demographics and tell viewers about it.
thanks, yeah I do my best. Will talk about power more in the 7900 xt focus video, that card definitely draws more power and it can definitely weigh up over time, especially in aus where our power prices are stupidly high.
@@techyescity Thanks to you, I edit videos much more than I game. I ordered a Asus 4070ti Super because I intend on doing a little more gaming and 60fps high settings with RT on is good enough for me. The 4070 cost nearly as much as my i7-12700 build. I'm replacing a 3060 but refuse to spend about the same on a card as my entire computer. It makes me nuts that most reviewers use gaming performance as their only benchmark.
@@atnfn Not weird,Serbia is not in EU,and we have very high import taxes,also,basically just one company that does importing on large scale,so they have a monopoly too. So we have two options,to buy illegally imported parts and take a gamble on warranty,or buy extremely overpriced pc parts. It's not just gpu-s,same goes for every other component. 14900k for example is 750eur.
I got a gtx 970 from Amazon for £220. Blew me away how good it was. If a 5070 is £900 because of the 3nm prices I don’t care. We sat on 14/16nm for years why did we need to move so aggressively through the available nodes.
Well think of it like that would you rather go for a one time 6 days vacation for $800 or spend it on a graphics card that you will use everyday for around 2-4 years?
Thank you Brian for making these super-honest videos. I've been watching you for quite some time, but never took the time to write a comment. I feel guilty. You are doing god's work when it comes to reviewing PC parts.
@@bignicnrg3856 Well. I don't know another TH-camr that rides around town buying old PC parts and collecting junk to recycle this stuff into things people are actually willing to buy. Always reviewing stuff like a champ. On top of that - stopped making TH-cam videos to play Baldures Gate 3. What a legend.
Great follow up with the Zotac card and all the extra numbers also. As always I am just amazed at the amount of patience you have and determination, well done.
This was a good video... More TechTubers should be making videos like this where you're comparing models and brands because there are differences and this 4070tiS launch was plagued with people using the MSI cards even though they were sampled MULTIPLE variants and rather than putting in the work and getting it right, they played to the algorithm and bad information is everywhere. This video is the opposite of that, good job.
In Mexico the difference in price between a 4070 Super and a 4070 Ti Super is 30% (Same brand and model, just different card). Is it worth it to spend that extra 30% for the extra perfomance but also the extra vram? I mean, the GTX 16, RTX 20 and 30 series became obsolete way too quickly because of vram. $800 dollars for a 16Gb card doesn't sound too crazy right now and looks promising for future proofing performance, but I'm looking for other's opinions. I do not upgrade components too frequently and I do wanna spend on someting that will last for a good while. (GTX 1080 Ti owners will agree).
If only the MSRP was real...in Europe those are so overpriced. I live in Romania and the cheapest 4070ti super is 1070 dollars, auch. For comparison, RX 7900 XTX is cheaper here and far better. Yeye, team green has fancy lights and shadows and is better for productivity but that's about it. Better luck with 5000 series I guess, maybe the MSRP will be real then. Nice video, as always!
Also the MSRPs are kinda real. For example while the founders 4070 Ti had an MSRP of 800 Euros, the ROG OC model for example had on the official Asus website an MSRP of 1050 Euros. 250 Euro extra for the cooler basically. Of course not worth that much, but it is what it is in this market.
You're comparing things to the US prices, the official MSRP in Romania is 4.399 Lei (~$960).The Inno 3d X2 is around $1030, I'm not saying that's great, but it's not that far off from what was promised.
Nvidia has no reason to be competitive on price, most people still buy them even though for the same money you can generally get a tier up in AMD. Hopefully intel will be able to wake consumers up sometime in the near future.
The 4080 super should be the 799 card while the 4070 to super should be sitting around like 600. But ever since the 20 series nvidia has moved the whole line 1 tier up in pricing and don’t think the 50 series won’t do the same 5080 for 1499 bet Jensen will try it.
I'm hoping we continue to see sub RRP prices in Oz, and that they drop further with this weeks 4080 Super announcement. RRPs of $1119 for the 4070 Super and $1499 for the 4070 Ti Super are insulting, but the cheapest I see available are $1000 (PNY VCG4070S12DFXPB1-O at CCPU) for the Super and $1350 (PNY VCG4070TS16TFXPB1-O at CCPU) for the Ti Super. Since I want a new card primarily to run VR at the 4128x2208 resolution of my Quest 3 (using AV1 encoding), I'd prefer having the larger bus and VRAM to support that.
You should cross flash the MSI Ventus 4070 Ti Super with the Zotac vbios and run the benchmarks again to see if it's a hardware design flaw or vbios causing the performance loss on the Ventus. I think it should work out okay since the outputs are the same between these two cards so no ports should get disabled.
Got mine for £770, got £60 refund as it was sold as the oc and wasn’t oc when it arrived and then a £50 shopping voucher came with it so £660 lol Overclocks to 2955mhz and + 1650 on the core
@techyescity So are you saying that all 4070 ti super "should" have come with the 3x 8 pin 12vhpwr adapter instead of the 2x 8 pin 12vhpwr adapter? And by using the 3x 8 pin 12vhpwr adapter makes a performance difference albeit a "slight" difference over the 2x 8 pin 12vhpwr adapter?
Currently the 4080 has hit $1499 AUD, its all time low here in Australia (Umart). Grab that while you can if you are looking to buy at around this price point.
I buy this one... the non oc version. and happy that you review this model, thanks! btw you can undervolt but dont go below 985 A and higher than 2880 frequency
I'm kinda suprised to see so many different prices for this GPU... So here are reference prices from germany (looking at Aero OC): RTX 4070 ti launch was around 970 € and the 4070 super around 740 €. 4080s are sold atm for like 1.4k € and up, which is crazy to me. I hope the 4080 super won't settle around that same price range. If so, I'd go for one of the 4070s over 4080 any day.
The 4070 ti super is good for someone with a PC, and a TV as a second monitor. What makes this release exciting is that its performance is not annoying at 4k like the vanilla. This means it's a sweet spot for that use case, where the TV and PC are on the one desk. As long as you know that the bandwidth problem will probably pop up again at some stage with future titles at 4k, at max settings.
10:45 bear in mind the 4080 super is going to release next Wednesday that is supposed to be a lower price than the 4080. That will be interesting to look into, perhaps the 4080 super in Australia might be about the same price as the 4070 TI super?
@@drumyogi9281Alan Woke. I had my suspicions confirmed when I asked a younger dude working in the warehouse who played it and he told me that you spend more time playing as the black female than you do as Alan
It's been one heck of a weird card. Had to look into it for a couple of friends who are more so inclined on buying Nvidia products than AMD's (To some extent its due to the features, though). It's kind of all over the place. In the US the price gap seems to be within that 50$ between the 4070TI and 4070TI Super, but here in Canada that gap is a measly 10$, or sometimes it even match one another (1.1k$C is a lot of money for a GPU though, man that's hard to swallow.) I've been trying to look for VR numbers a little and it seems like its all over the place. Some benchmarks seem to indicate that the 7900XT does better, some have a hard time with it AMD. It doesn't help that some of said numbers were when the RX7000 Series had issues with VR until some driver fixed the issue. I'm kind of disappointed by the launch. It's nice that the card's replacing something that really needed a kick when it comes to what the hardware deliver, but the pricing just isn't that exciting for the average gamer. Nice card to get into AI with Nvidia I guess 🤷.
Were your benchmarks canned or custom, I have a 2 cable zotac trinity black 4070ti super would be interesting to see if the cable is making a difference
I'm still using an RX590. It runs almost everything in 1440p maxed. Not everything, though. There are some newer games that it struggles with, and it will basically not run SSAA.
I believe these problems you had with the MSI card is because of Nvidia they're trying to get this card out but they don't want it to compete with the 4080 so they are nerfing it but they weren't sure by how much when the MSI card was being made, so......
Do you have any insight into the pricing fiasco in Australia? Is it old stock bought when we were only getting 62c/$. Or is it just the middle men or retailers getting greedy?
Hah, I am looking at upgrading from an rtx2060 as I upgrade my old i5-4430 and the landscape for gpus now is insane. Its either an rx7800xt, rtx4080 or wait until November to see how prices shape up if/when the new amd 8000 series cards come out. I'm not in a rush so I feel like I can't wait and keep the rtx2060 going.
To be fair the MSI 4070 Ti Super Ventus, might not really be lagging due to an issue. The Zotac 4070 Ti Super is an OC card. .... (Might be worth looking at the clock and memory speeds.) Whereas MSI do make a 4070 Ti SUPER 16G VENTUS 3X OC. That's an overclocked Ventus they make, as well as a stock Ventus - 4070 Ti SUPER 16G VENTUS 3X. (You can see these on this MSI website - MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Series Graphics Cards BIOS Update Statement.) 3:00 Am not convinced the magic-sauce in RTX 4080 vs 4070 Ti Super and 4070 Super, is just L2 cache. RTX 4080 has 15% more cores, 7% faster memory, as well as the 33.3% more MB of L2 cache. 4:41 increasing the power conumption, somewhat. Some watt. ........ Nice! 5:46 Yeah the 4070 Super is a nice upgrade in specs, but apparently is not selling due to 12GB of vRAM. Some stores are not even stocking it. Scalpers ruturned their 4070 Super stock which they bot-bought.
I just got the MSI RTX 4070 Ti Super Ventus x2 OC and it only came with the 2 to 1 power adapter. Should I contact MSI for the 3 to 1 instead? Power tests wouldn’t go over 225 wt draw even on full load stress tests…
Zotac OC model looks solid. Have had decent experience with their OC cards last gen. MSI have owned also was expecting better. Not sure I would buy this GPU but always have to research how the brand and gpus are performing.
Not sure how Japanese consumer prices work, but I wish an OG 4070 Ti was 109,800 Yen over here in EURO-land. That's around 680, which is just a little more than what they currently want for the 4070 Super over here. Cheapest vanilla 4070 Ti is EUR 759 and the Ti Super starts at 874. Also just had 4080 Supers pop up today on the HW search-site I use (no idea why, but this happened with the Ti Super, too) and those cards are EUR 1350. This might change on Wednesday, but given that this is around 230 more than the OG 4080's current price, it doesn't give me high hopes for the whole "4080 Super MSRP = 4080 MSRP"-thing.
For $799 I expect a card to do 4k 120fps ray tracing ultra settings. Otherwise what's the point. I'll stick with good a 1080p card and monitor till PC hardware stops nickel n diming.
Bought a 4070 TI 2 weeks ago for my first build then heard about the 4070 TI super for the same price so I returned the regular TI for it. It was really hard to find any information on the TI super kind of felt like Nvidia was hoping people would buy up the regular TI’s.
You are literally the only tech channel telling the truth about Ventus problems. Thanks for that! Everyone else claims that bios update solves the problem, or that 3-5% perf loss is no big deal. Even the most trusted ones like HUB and GN are on the Ventus saving train. One of them also deleted my comment immediately when I said that bios updates are not solving the problem which is obviously bigger than a simple bios tweak. Seems like MSI is paying a lot for putting that topic under the rug. I guess the trusted channels should not be trusted anymore?!
Idk if it will help the msi but i have the tuf which gets up to 314watts with the 2 8pins. I flashed the strix bios and it gets 366 watts im sure you can buy a 3 8 pin adapter which the strix uses but it seems fine with just 2 8pin to the 12vhp plug.
How is this zotac against the ASUS TUF Which also comes with a 16 pin to 2x8 PCIE? Can a different addapter with 3x8 pin make a difference in performance ?
While these are fast cards what stands out to me is that in December I got an rx 6800xt on sale for $439, which is effectively in the league of the the rx 7800xt/rtx 4070. Which don’t seem a lot slower than the 4070 super. So yes the 4070ti super is nice but man I’m not sure it’s worth double the price of the 6800xt. Think I’ll be holding onto this card a couple more years.
Remember that the 4070 Ti was originally the 4080 12Gb. If the 4070 Ti Super is actually only what the 4070 Ti would have been all along then it's a cracking card, especially in light of the ram and bus. Next to a less than 2 years released 3090Ti, value and power consumption are incredible. And great to see this BIOS issue revealed to be just that. Nvidia should have made FE's
Just got this exact card for $1249 aud on sale which i reckon is a pretty decent price since its $400 cheaper than the 4080 and can be OC’d to close to a base 4080.
I thought about getting either a 4070 Ti Super or a 4070 Super, but I think I may go for an RX 7900 XT. I know AMD can’t beat Nvidia’s ray tracing, but I’m not sure if I even care for RT, as it’s still in its infancy.
I paid $720 for my RX-7900XT XFX Black Edition OC and I have been very happy with it at all... In fact it overclocks exceptionally well (nearly 3 GHz) and as an example, my timespy graphics score was 29,236 - it's fast.
Currently owning an AMD video card - in theory it's a good value, in reality their drivers are trash. I Don't like the current situation with 40-series, but my next card will be nvidia, regardless of the higher price.
@@kosio1800lol people keep saying this but I switched to amd and have had my 7800xt for a month now with no issues. Not saying they didn't have issues earlier but the new drivers seem fine
@@BaldKiwi117 Pretty sure he's a bot, AMD's "driver issues" are on par with nvidia's. Bro even sounds like he is ai generate with his punctuation and surface level speech patterns. Notice that he doesn't elaborate on said issues, and then talks about paying more for invidia, like just cause. Team green is weird, like by the best products but what are people on about xD
It's funny how in the past I never bothered watching the "founder card vs oem card" comparisons since it's always "yeah, 1 or 2% difference, what's the big deal?!". This time around though 1-2% difference is like, half the "upgrade" you're getting with the refresh, so something like this IS suddenly a big deal... 😂 Perhaps that's why at $800+, after so much time from launch, this refresh feels particularly underwhelming to me...
I would take the $829 7800XT over the $1019 4070S and the $1549 XTX over the $1500 4070Ti Super. People buying these lower end RTX cards for future Ray Tracing are going to be quite disappointed because as seen in Riva Tuner at 7:54, 31FPS on the Ti Super is still 31FPS with high frame times wouldn't be a good experience so just turn it off. DLSS lowers the render resolution so you pay for a 1440p panel then turn on DLSS quality then you are running 1080p. Logically your FPS would increase running at 1080p but this is a $1500 card, it should run 1440p RT at, at least 60FPS for that kind of money. When looking at the performance numbers the XT is the better raster card and imo the extra 20FPS in RT isn't really a selling point since all the 4000 series cards choke without running the games from a lower resolution, even the 4090 will choke with Path Tracing no DLSS at 1440p. 20FPS increase really isn't anything special especially not for the higher price tag, if you want to play with RT the only option would be the 4090 and even then you might not even hit 60FPS in some games without DLSS. I have a 3090 and wanted to move up to a 4k 144hz panel so for me the XTX is not really much of an upgrade considering its only around 35% better than my 3090 and its to late to buy a 4090 now because the 4000 series is on its way out the door. So I'm hoping that the 5090 is at least 130% better than my 3090 because if I'm going to fork out $3000 I want at least 100FPS in every intensive game at 4k no downscaling and 140FPS locked in all the other games I play. I bought a 2080Ti, 2070S, 3090 and 3070 and I still can't enjoy RT without downscaling to 1080p on my 1440p monitor and considering how terribly optimised games are now days who knows when RT will be viable for the majority. Turning on DLSS on a 1440p panel makes my games look like 1080p because it is 1080p. The most popular RTX card on Steam is the 3060 and that's not even the 12gb version its the 8gb cut down version.. I think the market has spoken in regards to Ray Tracing, sure its cool but only the top 1% can afford to use it and even then its a choke session without downscaling. Its going to be years before we get low end RT capable cards, Nvidia should have called the RTX3060 and 3070 the GTX3060 and GTX3070 for all the good it did us in RT games. Given Nvidia's pricing I doubt we will see a $300USD RT max settings no upscaling capable card any time soon, till then RT will remain with the top 1% of high end GPU consumers or those that are happy to spend $1500 for a 70 tier card so they can drop their resolution from 1440p to 1080p or even worse DLSS performance.... In closing if I needed a new GPU today and my 3090 blew a gasket I would get the Sapphire Vapor X 7900XTX or white Hellhound 7900XTX, here's to hoping the 5090 gives us 130% more performance over the 3090 and doesn't cost more than the organs I'm willing to part with. Peace
I should have not jumped the gun and just got a 4080, LOL. Oh well. Got the ASUS Tuff Gaming, 4070-Ti Super. Honestly, it undervolts reasonably well. I'm not seeing that much of a performance hit, and it's actually running very cool, 48° in game with a reasonable fan curve and my whole system just feels awesome. The L2 cache sounds like it's something I wish I took note of. Still, it's a great card. For those that are not impulse buying here in AU? Yeah, waiting until the 4080 Super drops and picking up a 4080 in a few weeks time, (if the price drops), is probably the better thing to do. Oh well. LOL.
Bought a 7900xtx, loved the performance. It gave me random artifacting, returned it, and now I'm just waiting permanently with my 5700 xt. It's all too damn expensive. 16gb for a grand is a big no for me.
@@starsnstrife Yeah, I just can't go a Radeon GPU, despite the better value. I've had 2, both were unfortunately bad experiences. I know it's a lot of $. But this should last me a while. Actually really like the card. Undervolted it to 910mv, Core at 2560MHz, 350 mem OC, as more was giving diminishing returns on mine. Runs no warmer than 45°, the 5700x CPU, no more than 55°, GPU pulling 120w at the wall. Pretty insane.
Hi, is it true that this Zotac RTX 4070 Ti Super Trinity is noisy even when leaving the fans at default speed? Is it better than an Asus GeForce TUF RTX 4070 Ti?
I had no such problems the temps were around 70 though. If testing in a really hot ambient then the fans may ramp up higher, so could be true just not in 26c ambient.
My Trinity 4070 ti Super just arrived last night, and the fans have been great. This could vary of course, but I've found it to be quiet during gaming and when idle. While also keeping cool. No fan issues noticed just yet.
@@Lynxique it must have. glad i didnt pull the trigger on this one. i was eyeing this up. i was thinking this card should preform really close to the 4080 but its not close.
Proper test! where is the multi monitor test at differing resolutions? Do all the ports work? Can the drivers actually drive 4 monitors without glitches. These cards come with 4 outputs so why not test them. So many "video card testers" just test games, maybe we get a bit of a noise and power consumption but that's it.
@@techyescity I tried an rx7700 xt on two monitors and glitches appeared. I swapped to an 4060ti 16gb and both screens work perfectly. this test should be part of the test suite. So many people outside of gaming use multimonitor setups. Intel Arc also seem to be failing badly at this, judging by so many negative comments by people trying to use the graphics cards to make a living.
I got one and it's the best, I can now watch my movies (dvds) @ 24 FPS (frames per second) as my eyes are able to detect motion, so I am able to have the best reference cinema watching experience known to man. I have very vivid colors too, I can see green, black, brown and many others now.
It's not worth $799, but I'll take it. I bought an MSI Gaming X Slim card from MicroCenter for $783 +tx, and it's been a real beast paired up with a Ryzen 9 5950X CPU.
people complaining about the price seem to forget that just until a week ago, 800 dollars only got you the 4070ti. now you can bridge the gap to a 1200 dollar 4080 about halfway for 800 dollars
The 2x8-pin PCIe to 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 adapter theoretically shouldn't make a difference, as it's typically for a single 8-pin PCIe power cable to supply up to 150W sustained, so 2 would give 300W. The original RTX 4070 Ti and the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER both have the same power ratings of 285W, so in theory... 2 or 3 way power adapter? Shouldn't matter...
I'm not sure why Zotac is shipping the Trinity OC model with a 3x 8 pin adapter. It only has a 15MHz boost clock over the non Trinity OC and of course both have the same power requirements. Only other 4070 ti super I found with 3x 8 pin adapter is the Asus Rog Strix but there might be a couple more. Got tired of looking lol.
@@outrage23 If the ZOTAC Trinity OC card has a vBIOS that's in excess of 300W out of the box, then that may be the reason, even though the PCIe slot on most MBs should be able to deliver up to 75W of power (some lower end boards or OEM system boards may deliver less)
Each VGA cable from a PSU is limited to 150 watts each. The GPU however will draw as much power as it needs. For the 4070 Ti Super an upper limit of 300 watts on two cables means it might be limited in overclocking scenarios. If it was allowed to go over 300 watts that could be dangerous which is probably why they have 3 cables on the OC model to allow any excess power draw from transients (power draw spikes at the millisecond level as a GPU never stays at a constant voltage and can spike well above it's limit. So for instance a 285 watt 4070 Ti Super might have the odd transient spiking up to 400 watts. Unlikely to go that high on the 4000 series as they have very good transients as compared to the 3000 series).
Well, there you go. "IF" you can wait a year and "IF" the market says "Meh" because something better comes out, it might be worth it if the price reflects the reality. It's not garbage, just garbage based on what they want. If this hit the market at $300 US would any of this matter? Of course not.
I bought one and it's being delivered in a few days, I hope not. Let me know if you've heard any benchmarks because I have not yet. I really just went for it because of the aesthetics.
Hey guys, my 3080 died recently and i don't want ngreedia anymore, i will be getting 7900 xtx however is there any meaningful difference in getting something like Asrock phantom gaming or paying 200eur extra for sapphire nitro plus ? Also how long should i wait after 4080 super release to effect 7900 xtx price ?
7900 xtx should drop price a bit maybe to $900 but who knows with amd they always seem to screw up every chance they get to gain market share, take the 7600 xt 16gb for example a stupid price and selling poorly
I can’t claim to have investigated the differences between different AIBs all that intensively but my experience tends to be if you’re running stock settings or maybe just minor OC then all the popular AIBs will suffice. If on the other hand you want to OC as aggressively as possible then you want to research more closely, and as far as what I hear is concerned Sapphire’s and PowerColor’s premium models are the cards to look at. I’ve heard it a decent amount of times including from one techtuber who’s even made a video on it, a good model of 7900XTX in proper hands can OC to very near the same rasterization performance of the 4090. And he had the benchmarks to prove it. I believe his was a PowerColor. I don’t care too much about OCing typically, but my own 7900XTX’s behavior suggests it probably has more OC headroom than does my 6900XT. I haven’t been inclined to bother trying though since it’s basically been more than I need just as it is. And of course with OC the silicon lottery is going to have some say no matter how thorough you are about every last detail of what you buy.
There absoluty is! I returned 2 xtx PGs due to hotspot and vram issues! Just look it up on google! And this is even often the case for other aibs as well. For what I could gather the sapphire nitro is the safest bet. However, I did decide to wait up for next gen and stay with my 1080 ti. Really dissappointed with both amd and nvidia this gen.
The asrock card is an awesome card. Why wait for $50? Get the card and enjoy it. If $50 is the difference between buying it or not maybe you should not
Its a go for me , cheaper then amd xt xtx , and 4080 super , and the performance is highend . Also sag bracket included and white perfect for build, and Rtx ray trace cant get that on amd and boost clock is good. Win win and 16gb worth it hell yeaa
the biggest complaint I have with all these GPU's was power draw vs performance. he bottom line is I already have had my fill buying 1000watt power supply's and I have plenty. Try displaying power draw which is a massive game changer. This is the power supply needed for a AMD ASRock 6900XT Formula OC model as recommended by ASRock 1000 watt vs most 6900xt models using 850 watts. Again we see a 3090 and 3090ti with recomended 850 to 1000 watt power supply but they consistantly drew far more wattage than allotted for and in the order of 1200 watts. Back to back showing 4070ti Super and 4080 Super along with 4080 also need a1000 watt power supply. As if this isn't enough proof all listed specs show 4080 Super and 4070ti Super model specs are so close I'd dare say they were Identical. As for AMD they all draw more power than Nvidia GPU's. AMD Radeon specs. list lower wattage charts for their 7xxx series but that simply isn't true and a bump up in wattage is directly implied from AMD GPU specification table. I have a Gigabyte X570s Aorus Master currently wth a AMD 5700X as a test bench. Although I can easily install a 4090 which I have done and a 6900 XT and a 3090ti showing they all ran at least on a 1000watt power supply when they really needed a 1200watt power supply. Now for your RTX 4070 ti Super it has to draw the same power as a 4080 super and the specificarions show it does but at the same time this chart I'm listing shows much lower wattage: Power requirements as per the VGA card manufacturer's recommendations: RTX 40 model TGP Recommended PSU RTX 4090 450 W 850 W RTX 4080 / SUPER 320 W 750 W RTX 4070 Ti / SUPER 285 W 700 W RTX 4070 / SUPER 200 W 650 W The description is all listed requirements are under wattage at least 100 watts and I have used recommended power supply chart and replaced every power supply by using a power supply inceasing them by 200 watts using Gold or Platinum rated power supply. My final thoughts are any power unit supplying more power than needed is safe and a good choice to make. Then when a GPU needs the extra wattage it can rely on it and that's why your GPU's are not able to get the necessary power they really need. To proove it use a 1300 or1600 watt Seasonic Titanium or PLatinum or Gold or bronze rated A teir. Not only will all your tested GPU's perform livelier, you will also get a quicker boot along with every other component. I'm 70 and know it's not the Motherboard or GPU or CPU or RAM or SSD or M.2 or even Hard Deives or any peripheral added on to a computer. Facts don't lie a power supply is to a computer as a heart us to a human. A weak heart is the same as a weak power supply and the side affects proove it. P.S. I "Liked" this video, "Subscribed" and clicked the"Bell" choosing "All" hoping to see more of your videos
The new product releases are almost done, got a couple more to look at it then going to get some used goodness done, sad thing is this month is so slow for PC flipping, probably the slowest month I have ever experienced TBH. Not surprising considering how much of a mad rush the 3 months leading up to christmas were.
Experiencing the same lull. Have only sold one pc this month
Just a quick question Bryan.. because the Zotac is an OC model, wouldn't this explain the FPS bump?
If you underclock the card to stock RTX 4070 Tie Super settings, wouldn't you get the same as the Ventus though?
usually you get 1-2 fps at best with OC models nowadays. They actually are more so a clock stretched card rather than a overvolted card, the 4070 super from gigabyte which I have to review yet, will show this in full light. The card has some serious problems in certain titles. much bigger percentage drops then can be explained from just oc.@@rick_takahashi
@@techyescity Awesome thanks for the info 👍
I have this card it’s fucking amazing. I have zero issues running any game on ultra. I’m loving it 👍
Same! I was able to find an open box for $719 at my local Micro Center, I had to get it.
Same, love it.
Is it still good 5 months later?
I love the fact you covered more than gaming performance, you've gained a subscriber. In Australia, electricity cost up to twice as much as it does here. By comparison, the AMD will cost the American consumer a bundle over the years, let alone those in other countries. You may want to look into the demographics and tell viewers about it.
thanks, yeah I do my best. Will talk about power more in the 7900 xt focus video, that card definitely draws more power and it can definitely weigh up over time, especially in aus where our power prices are stupidly high.
@@techyescity Thanks to you, I edit videos much more than I game. I ordered a Asus 4070ti Super because I intend on doing a little more gaming and 60fps high settings with RT on is good enough for me. The 4070 cost nearly as much as my i7-12700 build. I'm replacing a 3060 but refuse to spend about the same on a card as my entire computer. It makes me nuts that most reviewers use gaming performance as their only benchmark.
Ive got solar but in summer those power consumption figures cause me to boil alive in my relatively small room as an Australian myself.
Thanks for adding the 7900 XT and the vanilla 4070 Ti.
I wish we had these prices in my country...A few 4070ti supers we got are over 1200 eur,it's ridiculous.
In Finland you can get them for 920€, weird how prices can be so different.
@@atnfn Not weird,Serbia is not in EU,and we have very high import taxes,also,basically just one company that does importing on large scale,so they have a monopoly too. So we have two options,to buy illegally imported parts and take a gamble on warranty,or buy extremely overpriced pc parts. It's not just gpu-s,same goes for every other component. 14900k for example is 750eur.
Cheapest 4070ti in the EU is 889 on Caseking. 1200 is crazy.
@@AnGhaeilge You can read my earlier reply where i explain why 4070ti super is 1200eur in my country, I can link you a page if you want
Does the higher new prices affect the secondhand prices there?@@sokantnevesti603
$800 is a hard pill to swallow.
very true and undersupplying to ensure a it stays that way, then can use the excuse "sold out" or "high demand product"
I got a gtx 970 from Amazon for £220. Blew me away how good it was. If a 5070 is £900 because of the 3nm prices I don’t care. We sat on 14/16nm for years why did we need to move so aggressively through the available nodes.
Well think of it like that would you rather go for a one time 6 days vacation for $800 or spend it on a graphics card that you will use everyday for around 2-4 years?
If ur broke just say so
Wow, now 800 usd gives you a card last for 2-4 years in the past. When you spend 700 dollars, you get 1080 ti and last easily for 7 years @Ladioz
Thank you Brian for making these super-honest videos. I've been watching you for quite some time, but never took the time to write a comment. I feel guilty. You are doing god's work when it comes to reviewing PC parts.
Thanks brother, appreciate it.
God's work!?!?!😂😂😂😂really. I mean I like the reviews but I think we need a little perspective 🤔
Amen
@@bignicnrg3856 Well. I don't know another TH-camr that rides around town buying old PC parts and collecting junk to recycle this stuff into things people are actually willing to buy. Always reviewing stuff like a champ. On top of that - stopped making TH-cam videos to play Baldures Gate 3. What a legend.
The proper way to watch Tech YES is by hitting the notification that pops up!
Great follow up with the Zotac card and all the extra numbers also. As always I am just amazed at the amount of patience you have and determination, well done.
This was a good video... More TechTubers should be making videos like this where you're comparing models and brands because there are differences and this 4070tiS launch was plagued with people using the MSI cards even though they were sampled MULTIPLE variants and rather than putting in the work and getting it right, they played to the algorithm and bad information is everywhere.
This video is the opposite of that, good job.
In Mexico the difference in price between a 4070 Super and a 4070 Ti Super is 30% (Same brand and model, just different card). Is it worth it to spend that extra 30% for the extra perfomance but also the extra vram?
I mean, the GTX 16, RTX 20 and 30 series became obsolete way too quickly because of vram. $800 dollars for a 16Gb card doesn't sound too crazy right now and looks promising for future proofing performance, but I'm looking for other's opinions. I do not upgrade components too frequently and I do wanna spend on someting that will last for a good while. (GTX 1080 Ti owners will agree).
Been looking forward to this video! It was great!
Thank you
What we were waiting for, proper numbers for the 4070 Ti Super Extra Long Name. Too bad the MSI card couldn't deliver. Great vid Bryan. 💪😎
When we gonna see the super cards get techspun?
Yeah the Ventus really vented out in terms of performance.
If only the MSRP was real...in Europe those are so overpriced. I live in Romania and the cheapest 4070ti super is 1070 dollars, auch. For comparison, RX 7900 XTX is cheaper here and far better. Yeye, team green has fancy lights and shadows and is better for productivity but that's about it. Better luck with 5000 series I guess, maybe the MSRP will be real then. Nice video, as always!
Also the MSRPs are kinda real. For example while the founders 4070 Ti had an MSRP of 800 Euros, the ROG OC model for example had on the official Asus website an MSRP of 1050 Euros. 250 Euro extra for the cooler basically. Of course not worth that much, but it is what it is in this market.
EU? 20% VAT tax.
You're comparing things to the US prices, the official MSRP in Romania is 4.399 Lei (~$960).The Inno 3d X2 is around $1030, I'm not saying that's great, but it's not that far off from what was promised.
Nvidia has no reason to be competitive on price, most people still buy them even though for the same money you can generally get a tier up in AMD. Hopefully intel will be able to wake consumers up sometime in the near future.
Here in India the 4070 ti super are going for arround $1200, it's so expensive and MSRP means nothing...
The 4080 super should be the 799 card while the 4070 to super should be sitting around like 600. But ever since the 20 series nvidia has moved the whole line 1 tier up in pricing and don’t think the 50 series won’t do the same 5080 for 1499 bet Jensen will try it.
I'm hoping we continue to see sub RRP prices in Oz, and that they drop further with this weeks 4080 Super announcement. RRPs of $1119 for the 4070 Super and $1499 for the 4070 Ti Super are insulting, but the cheapest I see available are $1000 (PNY VCG4070S12DFXPB1-O at CCPU) for the Super and $1350 (PNY VCG4070TS16TFXPB1-O at CCPU) for the Ti Super. Since I want a new card primarily to run VR at the 4128x2208 resolution of my Quest 3 (using AV1 encoding), I'd prefer having the larger bus and VRAM to support that.
So could we not just use the cable that comes with PSU’s that have the ATX 3.0 cables which is like a 16pin to 16pin.. no adapter needed?
You should cross flash the MSI Ventus 4070 Ti Super with the Zotac vbios and run the benchmarks again to see if it's a hardware design flaw or vbios causing the performance loss on the Ventus. I think it should work out okay since the outputs are the same between these two cards so no ports should get disabled.
Which vbios did you test the Ventus with? Version-wise. Because they released I think 2 or so. Latest is from Jan 24
Got mine for £770, got £60 refund as it was sold as the oc and wasn’t oc when it arrived and then a £50 shopping voucher came with it so £660 lol
Overclocks to 2955mhz and + 1650 on the core
Good info mate, also in Japan and I have to say the prices in Aus are well under what Japan is asking big Rip here !
Would like to this paired with a Xeon processor.
@techyescity
So are you saying that all 4070 ti super "should" have come with the 3x 8 pin 12vhpwr adapter instead of the 2x 8 pin 12vhpwr adapter? And by using the 3x 8 pin 12vhpwr adapter makes a performance difference albeit a "slight" difference over the 2x 8 pin 12vhpwr adapter?
Currently the 4080 has hit $1499 AUD, its all time low here in Australia (Umart). Grab that while you can if you are looking to buy at around this price point.
I buy this one... the non oc version. and happy that you review this model, thanks! btw you can undervolt but dont go below 985 A and higher than 2880 frequency
I'm kinda suprised to see so many different prices for this GPU... So here are reference prices from germany (looking at Aero OC): RTX 4070 ti launch was around 970 € and the 4070 super around 740 €. 4080s are sold atm for like 1.4k € and up, which is crazy to me. I hope the 4080 super won't settle around that same price range. If so, I'd go for one of the 4070s over 4080 any day.
The 4070 ti super is good for someone with a PC, and a TV as a second monitor. What makes this release exciting is that its performance is not annoying at 4k like the vanilla.
This means it's a sweet spot for that use case, where the TV and PC are on the one desk.
As long as you know that the bandwidth problem will probably pop up again at some stage with future titles at 4k, at max settings.
the ventus version turn out to be the cut out performance
10:45 bear in mind the 4080 super is going to release next Wednesday that is supposed to be a lower price than the 4080.
That will be interesting to look into, perhaps the 4080 super in Australia might be about the same price as the 4070 TI super?
4080 super will be about $1900 AUD... so at $1600 AUD the 4080 on sale is already a safe bet for those with the money to afford the high end.
"Mid range" pc gaming is way too expensive these days...
That depends. Alan wake 2 showed us that 4090 is mid to low range :D
@@sogetsu60Is Alan Wake 2 even a good game? Even if it was a masterpiece is it worth 3k to play? Lmao
My “mid range” build is around $1800 😅
@@drumyogi9281Alan Woke. I had my suspicions confirmed when I asked a younger dude working in the warehouse who played it and he told me that you spend more time playing as the black female than you do as Alan
@@Alexito2003which gpu you use?
Great coverage of the 4070 TI Super Duper. Say, what is the name of that band at the end of the video? Really dig the groove.
It's been one heck of a weird card. Had to look into it for a couple of friends who are more so inclined on buying Nvidia products than AMD's (To some extent its due to the features, though). It's kind of all over the place. In the US the price gap seems to be within that 50$ between the 4070TI and 4070TI Super, but here in Canada that gap is a measly 10$, or sometimes it even match one another (1.1k$C is a lot of money for a GPU though, man that's hard to swallow.)
I've been trying to look for VR numbers a little and it seems like its all over the place. Some benchmarks seem to indicate that the 7900XT does better, some have a hard time with it AMD. It doesn't help that some of said numbers were when the RX7000 Series had issues with VR until some driver fixed the issue.
I'm kind of disappointed by the launch. It's nice that the card's replacing something that really needed a kick when it comes to what the hardware deliver, but the pricing just isn't that exciting for the average gamer. Nice card to get into AI with Nvidia I guess 🤷.
hey given the times are different now, would u recommend the 4070 ti super of just go 4080 super?
seeing the white card makes me think of the old days of throwing an Arctic Accelro on the cards to see how they compare
Were your benchmarks canned or custom, I have a 2 cable zotac trinity black 4070ti super would be interesting to see if the cable is making a difference
all of them are pretty much custom on areas of the map that are easily accessible.
I'm still using an RX590. It runs almost everything in 1440p maxed. Not everything, though. There are some newer games that it struggles with, and it will basically not run SSAA.
Best tech reviews on YT right here!
I believe these problems you had with the MSI card is because of Nvidia they're trying to get this card out but they don't want it to compete with the 4080 so they are nerfing it but they weren't sure by how much when the MSI card was being made, so......
Do you have any insight into the pricing fiasco in Australia? Is it old stock bought when we were only getting 62c/$. Or is it just the middle men or retailers getting greedy?
Australia... greedy retailers
Is Zotac a good brand??? I'm looking to build a 1070ti S at the moment.
I have their 2070 Amp Extreme and it is perfect
Hah, I am looking at upgrading from an rtx2060 as I upgrade my old i5-4430 and the landscape for gpus now is insane. Its either an rx7800xt, rtx4080 or wait until November to see how prices shape up if/when the new amd 8000 series cards come out. I'm not in a rush so I feel like I can't wait and keep the rtx2060 going.
4070ti is now costing just 50 bucks more than 4070 super here. I looked before the launch and it was still at full price.
Here is £170 is it still worth ?
Brian, so thankful you are shedding light on the fact that the 4070 has a cut down AV1 Encoder stack! Why is no one talking about this?
To be fair the MSI 4070 Ti Super Ventus, might not really be lagging due to an issue. The Zotac 4070 Ti Super is an OC card. .... (Might be worth looking at the clock and memory speeds.)
Whereas MSI do make a 4070 Ti SUPER 16G VENTUS 3X OC.
That's an overclocked Ventus they make, as well as a stock Ventus - 4070 Ti SUPER 16G VENTUS 3X. (You can see these on this MSI website - MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Series Graphics Cards BIOS Update Statement.)
3:00 Am not convinced the magic-sauce in RTX 4080 vs 4070 Ti Super and 4070 Super, is just L2 cache. RTX 4080 has 15% more cores, 7% faster memory, as well as the 33.3% more MB of L2 cache.
4:41 increasing the power conumption, somewhat. Some watt. ........ Nice!
5:46 Yeah the 4070 Super is a nice upgrade in specs, but apparently is not selling due to 12GB of vRAM. Some stores are not even stocking it. Scalpers ruturned their 4070 Super stock which they bot-bought.
I just got the MSI RTX 4070 Ti Super Ventus x2 OC and it only came with the 2 to 1 power adapter. Should I contact MSI for the 3 to 1 instead? Power tests wouldn’t go over 225 wt draw even on full load stress tests…
hi what did u end up doing?
Zotac OC model looks solid. Have had decent experience with their OC cards last gen. MSI have owned also was expecting better. Not sure I would buy this GPU but always have to research how the brand and gpus are performing.
I was confused why the Ti Super performed really badly and now I know why. Its the L2 cache as you said.
Sad really.
Waiting for sweet sweet 3nm gpus
What I don't see enough people talking about is the low fps vs high fps, that's where you can see the strength of this card vs the non super
Not sure how Japanese consumer prices work, but I wish an OG 4070 Ti was 109,800 Yen over here in EURO-land. That's around 680, which is just a little more than what they currently want for the 4070 Super over here. Cheapest vanilla 4070 Ti is EUR 759 and the Ti Super starts at 874. Also just had 4080 Supers pop up today on the HW search-site I use (no idea why, but this happened with the Ti Super, too) and those cards are EUR 1350. This might change on Wednesday, but given that this is around 230 more than the OG 4080's current price, it doesn't give me high hopes for the whole "4080 Super MSRP = 4080 MSRP"-thing.
For $799 I expect a card to do 4k 120fps ray tracing ultra settings. Otherwise what's the point. I'll stick with good a 1080p card and monitor till PC hardware stops nickel n diming.
There are no 4k cards and I don't know why people insist on gaming at 4k in the first place.
Lol it is time to adjust your mind to the inflation
there is no 4k120 rt 800$ card
Even the 4090 cant do that. Stop being delusional
@@NamTran-xc2ipi play 4k 160hz on my 4080, its possible
@@Fiwek23452 Not every game
whats the quality like on zotac cards? They as good as gigabyte?
Yeah pretty solid, nothing mind blasting in terms of temps, but does the job.
Bought a 4070 TI 2 weeks ago for my first build then heard about the 4070 TI super for the same price so I returned the regular TI for it. It was really hard to find any information on the TI super kind of felt like Nvidia was hoping people would buy up the regular TI’s.
nvida has already sold the chip by the time its in the shop for you to buy. its the retailer pushing older stock
Should i wait for 4080 super or buy now the 4080 ??
what version BIOS was tested with ventus v3
You are literally the only tech channel telling the truth about Ventus problems. Thanks for that! Everyone else claims that bios update solves the problem, or that 3-5% perf loss is no big deal. Even the most trusted ones like HUB and GN are on the Ventus saving train. One of them also deleted my comment immediately when I said that bios updates are not solving the problem which is obviously bigger than a simple bios tweak. Seems like MSI is paying a lot for putting that topic under the rug. I guess the trusted channels should not be trusted anymore?!
Idk if it will help the msi but i have the tuf which gets up to 314watts with the 2 8pins. I flashed the strix bios and it gets 366 watts im sure you can buy a 3 8 pin adapter which the strix uses but it seems fine with just 2 8pin to the 12vhp plug.
How is this zotac against the ASUS TUF Which also comes with a 16 pin to 2x8 PCIE? Can a different addapter with 3x8 pin make a difference in performance ?
Is the 2 8pin adapter that the gigabyte version comes with good for installation, or should I opt for a 3 8pin connector?
Hi Brian, can this be powered by single split gpu 8pin + 8pin power connector?
While these are fast cards what stands out to me is that in December I got an rx 6800xt on sale for $439, which is effectively in the league of the the rx 7800xt/rtx 4070. Which don’t seem a lot slower than the 4070 super.
So yes the 4070ti super is nice but man I’m not sure it’s worth double the price of the 6800xt. Think I’ll be holding onto this card a couple more years.
oh definitely the used cards on last gen is easily the best value on the market, it's in a different tier.
Yeyeyeyeyey !! Go tech yes city ! Waiting for the flip pc episodes !
its like 1200 in canada . too much for such a graphic card .
Remember that the 4070 Ti was originally the 4080 12Gb. If the 4070 Ti Super is actually only what the 4070 Ti would have been all along then it's a cracking card, especially in light of the ram and bus. Next to a less than 2 years released 3090Ti, value and power consumption are incredible. And great to see this BIOS issue revealed to be just that. Nvidia should have made FE's
u guys are so lucky we are getting 4070ti super for $1080 here in India
I already can't wait till the next gen cards come out..
Just got this exact card for $1249 aud on sale which i reckon is a pretty decent price since its $400 cheaper than the 4080 and can be OC’d to close to a base 4080.
how did u know im eating pizza
what happens with the customers that bought the ventus card?
I thought about getting either a 4070 Ti Super or a 4070 Super, but I think I may go for an RX 7900 XT. I know AMD can’t beat Nvidia’s ray tracing, but I’m not sure if I even care for RT, as it’s still in its infancy.
I paid $720 for my RX-7900XT XFX Black Edition OC and I have been very happy with it at all... In fact it overclocks exceptionally well (nearly 3 GHz) and as an example, my timespy graphics score was 29,236 - it's fast.
Currently owning an AMD video card - in theory it's a good value, in reality their drivers are trash. I Don't like the current situation with 40-series, but my next card will be nvidia, regardless of the higher price.
@@kosio1800lol people keep saying this but I switched to amd and have had my 7800xt for a month now with no issues. Not saying they didn't have issues earlier but the new drivers seem fine
@@BaldKiwi117 Pretty sure he's a bot, AMD's "driver issues" are on par with nvidia's. Bro even sounds like he is ai generate with his punctuation and surface level speech patterns. Notice that he doesn't elaborate on said issues, and then talks about paying more for invidia, like just cause. Team green is weird, like by the best products but what are people on about xD
I've got my Rx 7800xt for 3 months now really happy with the card
It's funny how in the past I never bothered watching the "founder card vs oem card" comparisons since it's always "yeah, 1 or 2% difference, what's the big deal?!".
This time around though 1-2% difference is like, half the "upgrade" you're getting with the refresh, so something like this IS suddenly a big deal... 😂
Perhaps that's why at $800+, after so much time from launch, this refresh feels particularly underwhelming to me...
I would take the $829 7800XT over the $1019 4070S and the $1549 XTX over the $1500 4070Ti Super. People buying these lower end RTX cards for future Ray Tracing are going to be quite disappointed because as seen in Riva Tuner at 7:54, 31FPS on the Ti Super is still 31FPS with high frame times wouldn't be a good experience so just turn it off. DLSS lowers the render resolution so you pay for a 1440p panel then turn on DLSS quality then you are running 1080p. Logically your FPS would increase running at 1080p but this is a $1500 card, it should run 1440p RT at, at least 60FPS for that kind of money.
When looking at the performance numbers the XT is the better raster card and imo the extra 20FPS in RT isn't really a selling point since all the 4000 series cards choke without running the games from a lower resolution, even the 4090 will choke with Path Tracing no DLSS at 1440p. 20FPS increase really isn't anything special especially not for the higher price tag, if you want to play with RT the only option would be the 4090 and even then you might not even hit 60FPS in some games without DLSS.
I have a 3090 and wanted to move up to a 4k 144hz panel so for me the XTX is not really much of an upgrade considering its only around 35% better than my 3090 and its to late to buy a 4090 now because the 4000 series is on its way out the door. So I'm hoping that the 5090 is at least 130% better than my 3090 because if I'm going to fork out $3000 I want at least 100FPS in every intensive game at 4k no downscaling and 140FPS locked in all the other games I play. I bought a 2080Ti, 2070S, 3090 and 3070 and I still can't enjoy RT without downscaling to 1080p on my 1440p monitor and considering how terribly optimised games are now days who knows when RT will be viable for the majority. Turning on DLSS on a 1440p panel makes my games look like 1080p because it is 1080p.
The most popular RTX card on Steam is the 3060 and that's not even the 12gb version its the 8gb cut down version.. I think the market has spoken in regards to Ray Tracing, sure its cool but only the top 1% can afford to use it and even then its a choke session without downscaling. Its going to be years before we get low end RT capable cards, Nvidia should have called the RTX3060 and 3070 the GTX3060 and GTX3070 for all the good it did us in RT games. Given Nvidia's pricing I doubt we will see a $300USD RT max settings no upscaling capable card any time soon, till then RT will remain with the top 1% of high end GPU consumers or those that are happy to spend $1500 for a 70 tier card so they can drop their resolution from 1440p to 1080p or even worse DLSS performance....
In closing if I needed a new GPU today and my 3090 blew a gasket I would get the Sapphire Vapor X 7900XTX or white Hellhound 7900XTX, here's to hoping the 5090 gives us 130% more performance over the 3090 and doesn't cost more than the organs I'm willing to part with.
Peace
I should have not jumped the gun and just got a 4080, LOL. Oh well. Got the ASUS Tuff Gaming, 4070-Ti Super. Honestly, it undervolts reasonably well. I'm not seeing that much of a performance hit, and it's actually running very cool, 48° in game with a reasonable fan curve and my whole system just feels awesome. The L2 cache sounds like it's something I wish I took note of. Still, it's a great card.
For those that are not impulse buying here in AU? Yeah, waiting until the 4080 Super drops and picking up a 4080 in a few weeks time, (if the price drops), is probably the better thing to do. Oh well. LOL.
Bought a 7900xtx, loved the performance. It gave me random artifacting, returned it, and now I'm just waiting permanently with my 5700 xt. It's all too damn expensive. 16gb for a grand is a big no for me.
@@starsnstrife Yeah, I just can't go a Radeon GPU, despite the better value. I've had 2, both were unfortunately bad experiences. I know it's a lot of $. But this should last me a while. Actually really like the card. Undervolted it to 910mv, Core at 2560MHz, 350 mem OC, as more was giving diminishing returns on mine. Runs no warmer than 45°, the 5700x CPU, no more than 55°, GPU pulling 120w at the wall. Pretty insane.
Hi, is it true that this Zotac RTX 4070 Ti Super Trinity is noisy even when leaving the fans at default speed? Is it better than an Asus GeForce TUF RTX 4070 Ti?
I had no such problems the temps were around 70 though. If testing in a really hot ambient then the fans may ramp up higher, so could be true just not in 26c ambient.
@@techyescity Thank you!
Tuf top
My Trinity 4070 ti Super just arrived last night, and the fans have been great. This could vary of course, but I've found it to be quiet during gaming and when idle. While also keeping cool. No fan issues noticed just yet.
@@SpeejHere Thank you!
Is it better than gigabyte geforce rtx 4070 ti super windforce oc ?
There aren't many stores to get 800 cost, more like 850 and above, rather get 7800xt with less then 800 bucks plus more vram and live a happy life
So i have a question my psu only had 2 8 pin connectors will i be able to daisy chain one of the 8 pin and be fine?
4070 TI Super supremacy ✊🏼🔥
when i look on other sites they show 64MB L2 cache for the 4070 TI super. i remember tech power up had 64 a few days ago now its changed to 48mb.
I believe it should have had 64 MB but it has changed to 48 MB before the release. Sad af.
@@Lynxique it must have. glad i didnt pull the trigger on this one. i was eyeing this up. i was thinking this card should preform really close to the 4080 but its not close.
4070ti super is also a good consideration i believe for UE5 creators as well, the extra Vram
Proper test! where is the multi monitor test at differing resolutions? Do all the ports work? Can the drivers actually drive 4 monitors without glitches. These cards come with 4 outputs so why not test them. So many "video card testers" just test games, maybe we get a bit of a noise and power consumption but that's it.
I used three monitors personally and have never had any problems on nvidia cards.
@@techyescity I tried an rx7700 xt on two monitors and glitches appeared. I swapped to an 4060ti 16gb and both screens work perfectly. this test should be part of the test suite. So many people outside of gaming use multimonitor setups. Intel Arc also seem to be failing badly at this, judging by so many negative comments by people trying to use the graphics cards to make a living.
And thats how nvidia planned to sell the 4080 😂, the worst selling gpu ever.
My 500 watt power supply says be happy with the 4070 :)
I got one and it's the best, I can now watch my movies (dvds) @ 24 FPS (frames per second) as my eyes are able to detect motion, so I am able to have the best reference cinema watching experience known to man.
I have very vivid colors too, I can see green, black, brown and many others now.
It's not worth $799, but I'll take it. I bought an MSI Gaming X Slim card from MicroCenter for $783 +tx, and it's been a real beast paired up with a Ryzen 9 5950X CPU.
miss when 70 series ...used to be 400$
people complaining about the price seem to forget that just until a week ago, 800 dollars only got you the 4070ti. now you can bridge the gap to a 1200 dollar 4080 about halfway for 800 dollars
Well done, good review.
The 2x8-pin PCIe to 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 adapter theoretically shouldn't make a difference, as it's typically for a single 8-pin PCIe power cable to supply up to 150W sustained, so 2 would give 300W.
The original RTX 4070 Ti and the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER both have the same power ratings of 285W, so in theory... 2 or 3 way power adapter? Shouldn't matter...
I'm not sure why Zotac is shipping the Trinity OC model with a 3x 8 pin adapter. It only has a 15MHz boost clock over the non Trinity OC and of course both have the same power requirements. Only other 4070 ti super I found with 3x 8 pin adapter is the Asus Rog Strix but there might be a couple more. Got tired of looking lol.
@@outrage23 If the ZOTAC Trinity OC card has a vBIOS that's in excess of 300W out of the box, then that may be the reason, even though the PCIe slot on most MBs should be able to deliver up to 75W of power (some lower end boards or OEM system boards may deliver less)
Each VGA cable from a PSU is limited to 150 watts each. The GPU however will draw as much power as it needs. For the 4070 Ti Super an upper limit of 300 watts on two cables means it might be limited in overclocking scenarios. If it was allowed to go over 300 watts that could be dangerous which is probably why they have 3 cables on the OC model to allow any excess power draw from transients (power draw spikes at the millisecond level as a GPU never stays at a constant voltage and can spike well above it's limit. So for instance a 285 watt 4070 Ti Super might have the odd transient spiking up to 400 watts. Unlikely to go that high on the 4000 series as they have very good transients as compared to the 3000 series).
The problem is, how much will the card be worth in 12 months?
Not a lot.
Well, there you go. "IF" you can wait a year and "IF" the market says "Meh" because something better comes out, it might be worth it if the price reflects the reality. It's not garbage, just garbage based on what they want. If this hit the market at $300 US would any of this matter? Of course not.
not 500 used
How much is you time not gaming at the level you want worth?
@@Mopantsu 5 years ago I’d have bought it. I guess I’m getting old 😊
4070 super should have had 16gb vram with 256bit bus
The Ford Pinto should have had a V-6 and automatic transmission. It didn't.
$799 - the card to me is "worth" less than $450
what about other MSI 4070 TS lineup , such as Gaming X Trio and Slim version ? Do they also affected that performance panalty issue?
I bought one and it's being delivered in a few days, I hope not. Let me know if you've heard any benchmarks because I have not yet. I really just went for it because of the aesthetics.
@@xplebnerdz and? update pls
sigh i just got msi rtx 4070 last year then got rx7800xt for a second build i am tempted to get this ti super but wife not approved
Hey guys, my 3080 died recently and i don't want ngreedia anymore, i will be getting 7900 xtx however is there any meaningful difference in getting something like Asrock phantom gaming or paying 200eur extra for sapphire nitro plus ? Also how long should i wait after 4080 super release to effect 7900 xtx price ?
7900 xtx should drop price a bit maybe to $900 but who knows with amd they always seem to screw up every chance they get to gain market share, take the 7600 xt 16gb for example a stupid price and selling poorly
I can’t claim to have investigated the differences between different AIBs all that intensively but my experience tends to be if you’re running stock settings or maybe just minor OC then all the popular AIBs will suffice.
If on the other hand you want to OC as aggressively as possible then you want to research more closely, and as far as what I hear is concerned Sapphire’s and PowerColor’s premium models are the cards to look at. I’ve heard it a decent amount of times including from one techtuber who’s even made a video on it, a good model of 7900XTX in proper hands can OC to very near the same rasterization performance of the 4090. And he had the benchmarks to prove it. I believe his was a PowerColor.
I don’t care too much about OCing typically, but my own 7900XTX’s behavior suggests it probably has more OC headroom than does my 6900XT. I haven’t been inclined to bother trying though since it’s basically been more than I need just as it is.
And of course with OC the silicon lottery is going to have some say no matter how thorough you are about every last detail of what you buy.
There absoluty is! I returned 2 xtx PGs due to hotspot and vram issues! Just look it up on google! And this is even often the case for other aibs as well. For what I could gather the sapphire nitro is the safest bet. However, I did decide to wait up for next gen and stay with my 1080 ti. Really dissappointed with both amd and nvidia this gen.
The asrock card is an awesome card. Why wait for $50? Get the card and enjoy it. If $50 is the difference between buying it or not maybe you should not
I got this one but the non oc version it only brings 2 pin
Its a go for me , cheaper then amd xt xtx , and 4080 super , and the performance is highend . Also sag bracket included and white perfect for build, and Rtx ray trace cant get that on amd and boost clock is good. Win win and 16gb worth it hell yeaa
But is your monitor strong enough to run 300 fps so if your monitor is not good just use a 4070 super
the biggest complaint I have with all these GPU's was power draw vs performance. he bottom line is I already have had my fill buying 1000watt power supply's and I have plenty. Try displaying power draw which is a massive game changer. This is the power supply needed for a AMD ASRock 6900XT Formula OC model as recommended by ASRock 1000 watt vs most 6900xt models using 850 watts. Again we see a 3090 and 3090ti with recomended 850 to 1000 watt power supply but they consistantly drew far more wattage than allotted for and in the order of 1200 watts. Back to back showing 4070ti Super and 4080 Super along with 4080 also need a1000 watt power supply. As if this isn't enough proof all listed specs show 4080 Super and 4070ti Super model specs are so close I'd dare say they were Identical. As for AMD they all draw more power than Nvidia GPU's. AMD Radeon specs. list lower wattage charts for their 7xxx series but that simply isn't true and a bump up in wattage is directly implied from AMD GPU specification table.
I have a Gigabyte X570s Aorus Master currently wth a AMD 5700X as a test bench. Although I can easily install a 4090 which I have done and a 6900 XT and a 3090ti showing they all ran at least on a 1000watt power supply when they really needed a 1200watt power supply.
Now for your RTX 4070 ti Super it has to draw the same power as a 4080 super and the specificarions show it does but at the same time this chart I'm listing shows much lower wattage:
Power requirements as per the VGA card manufacturer's recommendations:
RTX 40 model TGP Recommended PSU
RTX 4090 450 W 850 W
RTX 4080 / SUPER 320 W 750 W
RTX 4070 Ti / SUPER 285 W 700 W
RTX 4070 / SUPER 200 W 650 W
The description is all listed requirements are under wattage at least 100 watts and I have used recommended power supply chart and replaced every power supply by using a power supply inceasing them by 200 watts using Gold or Platinum rated power supply.
My final thoughts are any power unit supplying more power than needed is safe and a good choice to make. Then when a GPU needs the extra wattage it can rely on it and that's why your GPU's are not able to get the necessary power they really need. To proove it use a 1300 or1600 watt Seasonic Titanium or PLatinum or Gold or bronze rated A teir. Not only will all your tested GPU's perform livelier, you will also get a quicker boot along with every other component. I'm 70 and know it's not the Motherboard or GPU or CPU or RAM or SSD or M.2 or even Hard Deives or any peripheral added on to a computer. Facts don't lie a power supply is to a computer as a heart us to a human. A weak heart is the same as a weak power supply and the side affects proove it.
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