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- Fistandantilus is inextricably linked with Raistlin Majere, but he is an ambitious and complicated character in his own right. Let’s learn a bit about the Dark One himself, Fistandantilus! Buy Mists of Krynn: www.drivethrur...
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Transcript
He is the most powerful sorcerer on Krynn. He made deals with gods to further his ambition. He is Fistandantilus.
Intro
Welcome to another DragonLance Saga episode. My name is Adam and today we are going to talk about The Dark One himself, Fistandantilus. I would like to take a moment and thank my collaborator patrons, the Heroes of the Lance, and invite you to consider becoming a patron or member of this channel by visiting the links in the description below. You can even pick up Dragonlance gaming materials using my affiliate link. This episode is informed by many sourcebooks and the Dragonlance Wiki. I may miss some bits of information or misspeak in the presentation. If you have any comments or corrections, please add them below.
Discussion
It is unknown exactly when Fistandantilus was born or when he took the Test of High Sorcery, save that it was in the Age of Might. What is known is that he was supremely gifted in magic. After his Test of High Sorcery, he took the Red Robes and seemed content until he became intimately aware of his own mortality. He was infuriated at the thought of all of his vast magical knowledge being wasted and turned to dust, in death. He beseeched Gilean, the god of Neutrality to allow him to continue living on Krynn, but alas, having actually created humans, Gilean intended them to have limits. Fistandantilus was counseled to accept his fate. Refusing to do so, Fistandantilus called out to Takhisis herself, demanding to be able to look upon the Black Moon. She granted his request, and transported him to the Abyss where he glimpsed the future and his lived past. She gave him the Bloodstone, a magical artifact that would extend his life by transferring the victim's essence into his body.
With his continued existence, his means of immortality secured, he renewed his devotion to magic and learned all he could, even crafting new spells. He became close to Highmage Gadrella, a black robe who recently became head of the Tower, and was instrumental in convincing local lords to allow the construction of four more Towers of High Sorcery. In 2018 PC he fought alongside his colleagues of High Sorcery in defeating the renegade war mage Malock. When the orders demanded the destruction of Malock’s fortress of Zhaman, Fistandantilus convinced them to keep it as an invaluable place of study, as it was rumored to be indestructible.
Fistandantilus would live and work in Zhaman for a thousand years, until the end of the Third Dragon War in 1018 PC. In that time he would assist the Emperor of Ergoth and Vinus Solamnus in a couple adventure campaigns. For a time he was even the Head of the Tower of Palanthas.
Exactly when his ambition to become a God is also unknown, but at some point before traveling to Istar in 100 PC, he had determined this course of action. Fistandantilus and the fall of Istar are also linked for it was due to his machinations that Beldyn became the High Priest because of the prophecy of the Lightbringer. Fistandantilus was manipulating Istar for two reasons. He could study about the portals to the Abyss in secret and he could find the one true cleric he needed to help him open the portal. However…. When the Lightbringer came, with him came the hatred of darkness. This would include the Wizards of High Sorcery. Fistandantilus offered the new Kingpriest Belindas the seeds to destroy the groves surrounding the Towers of High Sorcery in trade for becoming his personal advisor. Beldinas consented but during the lost battles, the towers and portals would be abandoned and destroyed. In his effort to secure a portal, Fistandantilus would drive his apprentice Andras Rannoch insane and have him jump to his death to curse and seal the gates until the Master of Past and Present returned to open them. Ironically, unknown to Fistandantilus, the portal in the Tower of Palanthas was removed to his old stomping grounds, the fortress of Zhaman. Secure in his belief that a portal was now saved for him, he began work on corrupting a holy priest...
Thank you for watching today's Dragonlance Setting video. What do you think about Fistandantilus? With such a long and rich backstory, do you think he deserves more written about him and his earlier experiences? Leave a comment below.
Fistandantilus is the #1 dark mage of his era, perhaps as strong as any mage prior to the Cataclysm. It goes to show just how powerful Raistlin was to challenge him.
But even the most mighty can fall to the machinations of the small. A certain gnome with his Kender friend! 🤓
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I love the complexity of the relation between Rainstlin and Fist...😊
Raistlin was the first multi-classed warlock, decades before warlocks were even a thing. His quest for Fistandantilus' spellbook in Xak Tsaroth is even the perfect 3rd level warlock Pact of the Tome quest.
Yea! It would be frustrating to think you have a weak willed vessel as Fistandantulus only to find out it’s Raistlin Majere. Doh!
Imagine planning for 200 years... just so a gnome would come by and ruin it all. GNOMES!
No wonder he’s a crotchety evil litch. Right? Lol
Hahahahahahahahaha
In all fairness, it was the only device they ever made that actually worked 💪, lol
Gnomes are Dwarfs that couldn't cut it and had to take a telemarketing job. Gnomes suck, I can make my own fkn lightning jars.
howdareyoudissthegnomesmyfriendTasselhoffwouldturninFlintsgrave ;-)
You can say what you want but Fistadantilus is one of the coolest character name ever.
Fair enough.
Simply put, Rasitlin could never have become what he did without fooling one better than him.
@@thinkpadBentnoseTheBlind I would say finding Fistandantilus' spell book was a game changer. Still I think it was awesome the way it worked out.
I used to scrawl fistandantalus on random walls in brooklyn when I was young
Lol, it would be funny if people thought there was a gang named that lol
As one of the people who initially suggested it via comment, I'm very glad that you made this video about my favorite character in the books. You did an excellent job of getting all the lore details right, even though you did miss the events of the novel Fistandantilus Reborn (which is probably for the best, since that book deals with wonky alternate timelines and it is probably not even canon). That said, the ending of Dragons of an Hourglass Mage is something you might bring up in some future video, since it re-writes the ultimate fate of this character in a way that I'm not sure many fans liked, and it finally closes the loop begun by Tass in the Abyss, when he told the Queen of Darkness everything. She does indeed send Fistandanilus back through the Istar portal, granting him a body once again and a bloodstone (don't know if it was the original or a new one). She does this at exactly the right moment to change her loss into a win, at the cost of creating a massive time paradox. The outcome of this action raises all sorts of headache inducing questions about Raistlin as a character in the Legend books, and why he does some of the things he does, which now make absolutely no sense.
I will do a show on Raistlin sometime, but I have to spend time on that one since it is so close to everyone's heart. I will have to look into the end of Hourglass Mage, because I don't recall the notes you made about Takhisis bringing Fistandantilus back. Thank you for the suggestion, notes and for watching!
So great that he picked the ONE SORCERER...who would mess everything up 😂. Great episode. Love it. Glad to have joined as a member.
I’m glad you enjoyed it! Welcome to the channel.
Everybody point and laugh at Fistandantilus for getting exploded because of a gnome device
Worst.Day.Ever.
Avoid the rocket boots
He should have warded his lair against gnomes. His downfall was a lack of foresight.
Lol. Dumb wizard. 🤪
You can always trust a dead, ancient, evil wizard to just take *a little* of your life force. *just enough* to get by, I swear.
Lol exactly right. What could go wrong?
The second greatest mage in Dragonlance, this is great. Thank you for this.
He was #1 for thousands of years... then came Raistlin Majere...
I believe that Fistandantilus and Raistlin are one and the same person. They must be entangled in some kind of timeloop. Even when Raistlin went back in time, we don't actually know who won the contest. It all starts with Raistlin being born, raised, passing the test, marked by Fistandantilus, blah blah blah goes back in times, merges with Fistandantilus, does not know if he is Raist or Fist and the loop happens again. At least this is what I believe from the material I 'very read so far!
Nice! That’s how the authors dealt when they finished writing Legends. They have since come to a more firm conclusion.
Yes,Raistlin would be who he was without fis, but might not have survived the test, he made his own spell books at the end but maybe he would not have all that power with out fis, never mind the dragon orb that gave him troubles with having fis helping him out from time to time when he was in danger, cyan bloodbane would have probably ate him, if he made it that far. And then there’s lord soth the death night probably wouldn’t have bowed to him, instead probably would have tried power word kill
Yea. Lol I’d like to see a ‘what if?’ Anthology come out to address some of these ideas.
Nice to hear someone pronounce it correctly. This was my favorite part of the legends volumes.
Thanks for watching
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@@DLSaga your the only one talking about dragonlance; keep it up, it's nice nostalgia of my 1980's gaming years 😁
Its actually the complexity of this, and the fact I am 'rusty' (and just jumping back in after 25 years) that makes this topic the one single I would never dare to comment on with input, on social media - But thanks for the video!
I am dreading making a Raistlin video just because of the internet, lol
@@DLSaga I could ONLY imagine.
Your Raistlin video rocks though
Only discovered you today, I like your content.
Thank you for stopping by. I have a ton of content on the channel.
fistandantilus was the palpatine of his franchise
for sure! That lich would've lived forever if it weren't for Raistlin. Wait, does that make Raistlin Rey? oh no!
We really need a dragon Lance saga movie series
Absolutely!
As long as it's better than that atrocity that was the animated *Dragons of Autumn Twilight* thing from my childhood.
*involuntary shudder at the memory*
NOT BY HOLLYWOOD. Not one character would be recognizable. I do not need to see Phoebe Waller Bridge as Raistlin.
I'm planning on adding Fistandantilus as a warlock patron for Shadow of the Dragon Queen, and this was a great referesher! He's even called out as an option for the Undying patron in the SCAG, so our warlock is in for some interesting times...
Oh boy lol that’s cool
Cool, now I need to go back and read the Twins trilogy. I thought Raistlin defeated Fistandantilus when he became the Master of past, present and future. I may have been wrong.
He did, but when he did, the authors weren’t initially sure who won, eventually they landed on Raistlin though.
In Raistlin's defense Dark Elves were always op as all get out. Dang Mary Sue characters the whole lot of them.
Unless they died lol. Rezzing an elf in 1st and 2nd edition was really sad sometimes
Lol, tell me how you really feel.
Dark Elves in DL vs their Forgotten Realms cousins are vastly different though. The Dark Elf moniker in DL is more of a mark of shame, not a seperate race like Drizzt's folk. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Correct, Drow didn't exist in DL. Dark Elves were elves who worshiped evil deities or took non-white robes after the test.
So glad I found this channel. I am in love with all things Dragonlance, such an amazing time in my life when I read these books and first got in to roleplaying.
Have you done a video on Solace yet, it's founding and history? Or why the heck Vallenwood trees grow so big? I'd love to hear it.
I haven’t, good idea!
If I'm not misremembering the timeline, fistandantalis was established as a lich before vecna, and much of vecnas later story as a lich turned God comes across as a fistandantalis "what if"
I know nothing of vecna, but it sounds cool!
@@DLSaga the earliest references the vecna in the grayhawk setting are just his artifacts.
The eye of vecna, the hand of vecna. He was originally described as just an ancient sorcerer, it wasn't till later that he becomes a lich and then eventually kills and supplants a god if I remember.
Love this character, just wish the book about him was more... About him.
I haven't read it yet because it wasn't about him.
The master of past and present wore all 3 robes, also I believe that Fistandantilus won the battle of Raistlins body but the spell didn't work as he had planned. The clue to this is in the title of the book the soulforge. The spell forged the souls of both Fistandantilus and Raistlin together creating a hybrid essence. Also this is foreshadowed in the original trilogy where Raistlin explains that he and Caramon were one being cursed in two bodies he with the intelligence and no physical power and Caramon the opposite
Technically, Raistilin _did_ wear the White Robes as well at one point. You're forgetting about the Night of the Eye, when he was a kid.
I believe the proficy of the master of present and past was written about Fistandantilus not Raistlin. You are right Raistlin was a white robe previous to the test, as apprentices wear the robe of their sponsor who was a white robe.
Yea. I liked the annotation in Time of the Twins where Margaret Weis said they didn’t even know if Raistin or Fistandantilus won.
@@charlieocho2367 Yeah. It's possible Raistlin is the "Present" and Fist represents the "Past"
At one point, before Parsalian sent Caramon back in time, he spoke with Ladonna, head of the black robes.
They discussed a staff owned by Fistandantilus: & they use a "Prism" to "see" the owner.
Again, they say nothing, but Ladonnas' concern, is not brought up again.
I DOUBT she ever met "Fist", but we ALL know she met Raist'!
All circumstantial, I admit, however.........
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Nice. I always assumed every leader in the conclave of wizards knew about Fist.
@@DLSaga knew OF him, but how many had "SEEN" him?
& I think I fudged a bit.
The "Prism" was used to project the time spell......
But I KNOW they did a spell on the staff.....
I wonder if after all his years of study and extended life Fist is jealous of Bigby's spells...
lol, probably pissed this frail victim he was draining the life out of beat his a$$
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I can’t believe that game is still going…
@@DLSaga you and me both
There needs to be a part 2. Great video. The other thing he is still around, as he did the whole "Horcux" thing. A mirror and belt had his essence, that possessed people. In the lost chronicles he is sort of trapped in a Dragon Orb, yet he constantly strived to kill Raistlin. Its assumed he finally met his demise, but given he hid his soul in parts....he might be out there... just waiting.
Without a reference for lore its just fan speculation.
So this is the inspiration for Fistandia in The Joy of Extradimensional Spaces? I never knew and there were no mentions of this when I searched online back when Candlekeep Mysteries was released.
I have no idea what you are referring to.
@@DLSaga there's a DND 5e module called Candlekeep Mysteries that has an adventure called The Joy of Extradimensional Spaces. In it, you explore a magical mansion abandoned by a powerful mage named Fistandia. Her details and whereabouts are left completely up to the DM. I assumed Fistandia was an established DND character but had no luck Googling anything about her back when the module was released in 2021.
Do I not remember the books from the war of twins ect... But aent fist, basically raisitlin
At the end of the twins series, not even the authors know who won, until Raist sacrificed himself. Something Fisty never would have.
Original timeline
Poor Pheragus and Denubis
Thanks for watching!
Question as to if Raistlin would be different or the same without the merge of Fistandantilus... from what I read; or thought I read, is that Raistlin would have died during the test with the Dark Elf. However, if that isn't true... then who knows.
There a few different versions of his test written. I’m The Soulforge it’s mentioned that he could’ve survived but it would’ve been close. The narrative you share is common on the other versions.
@@DLSaga I was wondering if there were different versions. My frame of reference is simply the chronicles and legends and now doing the forgotten chronicles second book now. So… I have a ways to go. Plus… I was going off of memory which isn’t reliable coming from me anyway. Thank you for clarifying! I have enjoyed the 2 videos that I have seen so far. It makes it more fun to read the books with these awesome character summaries.
@@troyanderson8879 Thank you for watching the videos, and I hope I didn't come off as a lore nazi lol. I try to answer every comment and I tend to be straight to the point about things. I honestly believe that however anyone percieves DL is right. It's all supposed to be fun, and if something works for you and not me, more power to you! (and vice versa) Have a great day!
@@DLSaga I felt that you are very open and accepting and unassuming. I actually had no idea that there were different versions on some of the details. I was sort of hoping most things were definitive and tied together better. But I can enjoy these stories either way.
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Lol I do not know this reference.
Back in 1st and 2nd edition, Sorcerer And wizard were interchangeable. Butt in Third Edition and forward they're two different things. Wouldn't fistandantilus have been a wizard?
I think its all semantics. The game mechanics were ignored in the novels after Winters Night.
@@DLSaga You're right it is semantics, in a funny way. Back then it was interchangeable, now it's not because editions change things.
The way I would handle it is this: No sorcerers on Krynn. They just don't happen there. Thus anybody called a sorcerer is just a wizard, like D&D used to be until 3E. Besides, if we allow everything in every world then every world is the same. In order to make worlds distinctive, you have to be willing to say no from time to time.
I handled this paradox for our Forgotten Realms game by saying that wizards and sorcerers have been around for a while but commoners (and indeed anybody who has no ranks in the Spellcraft skill) can't tell the difference. Also we decided that sorcerers are far less numerous because anybody with a bit of brains and the will can become a wizard for at least a level or two, while sorcery is in the blood and a "recessive trait" at that.
@@Z1gguratVert1goJedi & Sith were also considered sorcerers even though they seem more psionic or druidic.
Fisty….the Pallpatine of Dragonlance
Lol yep
What about Galan Dracos?
There’s not a lot of information about him, and no imagery. That would be a tough one to make.
@@DLSaga I have always thought it was the coolest name😊
From what i understand raistlin would've probably remained a red robe had he not accepted the offer if he had defeated the dark elf ..also I believe raistlin had beaten fistandanilus in control over his body though with great cost replacing him as krynns greatest mage (after he did take on takhisis in battle) what confuses me a bit is the both 1e and 2e stats , in the module and tales of the lance box set it lists raistlin int as 17 and fists as 18 yet clearly raistlin outsmarted him , in order to cast the highest lvl spells one must have an 18 int ,how did raistlin his int ? Through his link with fist?
There are a _lot_ of inconsistencies with the novels and the game stats. Going by DragonLance Adventures, Raistlin wouldn't have had access to many of his signature spells. My conclusion is that it was all bunk, and the game designers had no idea what they were doing. They also wanted to deliberately nerf Black Robe wizards, after just finishing a book series where everyone ended up cheering for the bad guy.
Keep in mind that the authors stopped relying on AD&D after the first novel and stopped referencing the modules after the second novel. They made the game designers try to make sense of their story, so I wouldn’t try to make gaming sense of it.
@@DLSaga oh I agree with you , it's kinda a force of habit .in the forgotten realms books (drizzt a favorite) they seem to adhere to the rules better , it's what frustrated me about dragonlance novels until I just let go and enjoyed them for what they are
@@fleetcenturion agree as well , my friends and I would modify the stats to fit the character better from the novel in our dragonlance adventures
I thought Raistlin's plan was entirely original.
It was entertaining!
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when he was created sorcerers didn't exist in d and d just magic users.
The name was interchangeable for D&D wizards till SAGA/3rd edition+
@@DLSagabut only at 9th level 1st ed, i just checked.
Where is this history taken from?
I noted it in the show, it's from the various D&D edition Dragonlance sourcebooks including Towers of High Sorcery, Mists of Krynn Accessory, and the Dragonlance WIki.
the greatest books every written... Dragon Lance series. at least it was the greatest at age 10
AMAZON: make Dragonlance a M rated animated series. Please!
Oh yea....
They borked rings of power.
Hopefully Joe manganilio does the series justice
Raistlin may have been more ambitious than he was
Oh yes... Next week I will talk about him.
Yeah but Fistadantilus paved the way for Raistlin. When they merged bodies I believe it actually healed Raistlin's physical handicaps. Truly an ingenious move. You know Raistlin was favored by the Gods and totally a dungeon master's pet.
If Raistlin was actually ol Fisty, He would have finished the job. That is , brought Takhisis to Krynn in Physical form and Killed her. her death being the direct result of the extinction of all or most of the life on Krynn.... As the story is told we all know what actually happened......
The authors are the ones who said they didn’t know.
The only character that comes close to the evil is Renard
I don’t know who you are referring to.
@@DLSaga Huma’s plague zombie uncle
Fistandantilus won the physical fight with Raistlin. However Raistlin's personality overpowered Fistandatilus. How do i know this it tells u in the twins saga if u just pay attention. First off after there mage dual an one of them is absorbed its says first he is filled with lifetimes of knowledge not in those words of course but u get the point. Then it says all these other memory's flood in clearly Rastlin's then his says who am i. Now when he visits Astinus in the library of Palanthas he straight up tells him who won the mage dual. In the end he when Caramon comes to him in the portal showing him what his future truly holds he looks inside himself to find something an he does. That is the good still inside of him from Caramon Tanis an all the others Fistandantilus had lived so long become so evil what good was in him died century's ago. That attachment an love within Rastlin he keep buried through his ambition an lust for power as for why his personality came out on top. There are clear clues to the good an love still within him through out the books like how he treated Bupu. Fistandantilus as i say his heart was empty his soul was black as night Rasilins will and that spark of love an goodness took over as dominate personalty. So in the end he is both Raistlin an Fistandantilus.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
i don't think it was love that stopped raistlin. it was the logic of seeing how he destroys what he wants to rule. that's why caramon knew he had to let raistlin know where he would end up. he ends up alone, truly letting the darkness in him (his darkness was greater than takhisis' darkness) destroy everything.
If Fistandantilis is Yuuki, Raistlin is Lord Rimuru. 🤣
I do not know these references.
@@DLSaga "That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime" anime reference
Is this Adam Cambell narrorating
You will have to be more specific. There are a TON of men with that name.
OMG YOU PRONOUNCE EVERYTHING WRONG!!!
I'm kidding, I love your channel!
BUT YOU PRONOUNCE EVERYTHING WRONG!
Hahah thanks for watching
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He is the epitome of undeath, or refusal to die.
Can we talk of how ridiculous this name is...like it does not instill the fear of darkness in me lol.
Yea, I wonder if it was ever shortened by his close friends, if he ever had close friends. I would call him Fist till he blasted me with a lightening bolt.
@@DLSaga "Fisty" from that Family Guy episode comes to mind hahaha, keep up the good content my man!
Really, I thought it is one of the great wizards names to come out of D&D.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 just doesnt roll off the tounge, ya know. For me, the name lessened the intensity of the character...no hate though, just critique.
Hate how you pronounce "Fistandantilus".
How do you pronounce it? I’ve never heard another way.
The "i" after the T made it sound like the a in dante'. To me at least. I play ultima online this kind of stuff comes up all the time. English is mostly latin derivatives as im sure we all know.
The gamer in me wants to know how much XP Fistandantilus (or Gnimsh) would have gotten for that explosion.
I think it would've been Gnimsh.
Enough to get one level :) Back in the old times maximum amount you could get was 1 level and then enough to be 1 xp down from the second level. So after this massive explosion adventurer could search for a rat to kill and gain second level. But of course all this depends of DM.
I won!
Congratulations!
Nice to hear someone pronounce it correctly. This was my favorite part of the legends volumes.
I still got someone saying they hated my pronunciation, but I don’t know how else to say it.