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@@HappyChimeNoises Surprised you didn't mention that Pink Ward was so famous from that video that Riot made the Shaco clone drop 3 boxes in a triangle as a reference to him. Probably the most famous player the channel has covered lol...
Some popular streamer (maybe Sneaky?) said recently that Shaco support is a thing. His justification was that it never feels good to play against a Shaco support, so there must be something to it.
My guess would be that, like with anything, the more reliable information you have the better you can make optimal decisions, this is amplified in high-skill environments where even the tiniest detail can drastically change the outcome. Shaco support might be viable simply because if it's played correctly, it will lower the opponents information and make them take sub-optimal decisions, and thus more likely to make mistakes, and in challenger ELO even one tiny mistake can be devastating, as shaco introduces so much uncertainty constantly; "Is this bush boxed?", "I can't see him, is he sneaking on me?", "Which one is the real one?", "Where did he teleport?", "There was a box here!?", "You fking idiots that was the fake one!", etc.
@Weba Azul yeah shaco's skill set may not be original but his personality is definitely expressed in his kit. I have tried this 2x so far and have won in low elo. The ealy umbral is so useful because you can be confident that they are not expecting you to jump in. The chaos that this thing inflicts on the enemy teams synergy is amazing. I can see why it works better in high elo but still does in low elo. I personaly made a variation instead of the everfrost i used liandrys so my clones are a lose lose situation where if either they kill it or let it auto it will do lots of damage.
@@EVERYTYME not rlly. AP shaco scales way better late game, although you are definitely hard countered by a free sweeper lol. And if the enemy support get umbral glave, you're just done
@Setton so tell me again how it outscales when sweeper hard counters his whole kit? If you simply ignore AP shaco and not try to kill him, he can never kill you. Unless his team gets you low enough that an E kills
@@EVERYTYME Ap shaco mid is still very good, supp is worse due to lower income + more expensive items now that he doesnt go imperial mandate anymore. Sweeper does counter shaco but in soloq its rarely meaningful as most games 1-2 people buy it, and even then they can only sweep 1-2 boxes per sweeper, so shaco can always outpace them + spread boxes faster. If you like the pick then play it, it certainly isnt bad - pinkward is still mainly playing AP shaco, and is on the border of GM/Chall (if he hasnt inted it since I last checked)
I would like to point out that PinkWard himself has said in a few of his videos "if you want to play shaco support don´t do what I do". I agree with the 7,5 rating but Pink has a shit ton of experience with the champion and the game itself so it's definetely not easy and borderline impossible to play this strat in low elo if you're solo
Yeah even pinkward dies like 10 times a game. It's not an easy pick, but it is very fun. So I recommend it for fun, and if you put the time in to learn it - you might be rewarded
@@HappyChimeNoises Yeah even pinkward dies like 10 times a game. It's not an easy pick, but it is very fun. So I recommend it for fun, and if you put the time in to learn it - you might be rewarded
Yeah even pinkward dies like 10 times a game. It's not an easy pick, but it is very fun. So I recommend it for fun, and if you put the time in to learn it - you might be rewarded
@@HappyChimeNoises doesnt work in low elo if your lane partner doesnt help. Usually they just assume troll pick and not commit to any trades and just watch :(
This! Support Shaco is best with AP, going AD is more of a “for fun” pick, but PinkWard is just so good at Shaco that he can afford to mess around a bit. Shaco support is my current main pick and trying AD on support is kind of a hellish experience
I knew about PinkWard before I knew about LoL and that says something. This dude has made Shaco look like a 200 year champion. Haven’t seen players as calm and collected the way that he is. Absolute menace on the rift.
3:00 Its actually something that started long before either of those players picked it up. I remember using this exact start on Twisted Treeline. Granted its not a "support" role in 3's, however thats how I played it often. Feeding kills to my two buddies, while feeding the rage the other team was feeling.
Looks like he doesn't really build Essence reaver (at least he hasn't in 30 days) but rather builds umbral glaive and serpents fang second sometimes which I think is really smart as you can proc the item with clone and boxes and definitely would be worth mentioning!
3:06, Yes....me lmao I've made multiple videos over 3 years ago about how good this can be, the flames back then were much more juicy! I'm glad Pink Ward has joined the darker side XD
Clone bug is not new, you can watch videos from after the rune rework from ChaseShaco, Shaclone and yes even Pinkward that shows that the procced runes, pretty much regardless of which one we are talking about, persist on the clone until it explodes. Hail has been meta on ad shaco for this reason since the rune rework.
True, mostly new on support since this build is never usually played there. Also most viewers are not shaco mains so it's completely new to most of us :)
Indeed, once I discovered it I've been using it pretty often in rgms and arams. Ad shaco in urf is a pleasure to play, oneshot then disappear, rinse repeat, but not when they have the 200 years champs
@@howdocowsfly Considering you can't stop it unless you let a rune run out fully before hitting R, I would say no. Its also persisted even through the Shaco "rework" debacle when they made his Q visible from fog of war.
Good Job A video of big mechanic to carry easily for whos low elo and wanna rank up. That has been op for around 7 years now. Almost no one did it, especially in high elo but now probably will be seen in more ranked games.
We need you to make a team with all this off meta players and put them to play from bronce to challenger and see how they do... would be like the avengers of league XD
One of shacos big weaknesses is if you cant just burst them down and instead of runing they turn and fight you a lot of shacofights become skill matchups you have to outplay alot you dont get to statcheck anyone unless ur really ahead making ad shaco hardet toplay then ap since ap you can just place thingsdown and run away if they chase you youl probbly win ur more like a singed
sanguine + botrk shaco into full tank was my first hit on masters since his clone had 5 atkspd, spam botrk procs, and could not be peeled off, so cheesy. Especially since sanguine made you hve a stupid fast clear fullhp and solo drag in 6 seconds flat
just tried this out in a blind pick and man its so good, your teammates for whatever reason don't understand what roams are and think only standard play is the only way so you might get some flame. I played 4 games and won all 4 and got flame from some lanners until 15mins in when all lanes were winning. its shocking how bad the community is in blind pick.
NGL, i played shaco since before release. I also player Newerth and DOTA....Those were days lol...super OP warwick, jax and shaco. After the release it was a bit more balanced, until they added stacking bloodrazor lol. Running Shaco with x5 blood razor and boots was criminal.
i main cho support and have fought this type of shaco quite a few times. the easiest counter to this is just stay next to the ADC all the time. my flaming cloak or jak sho procs will show where shaco is so he cant just kill them. cho has this weird thing where if he Qs shaco and his clone the real one takes a bit more damage and if shaco cloned while within ult range then only the real one stays high lighted.
The real shaco also has a gold border around his mythic if you check items, while the clone doesn't have that. Not sure if it's useful but I just wanted to point that out.
the HoB clone interaction isnt new. was a thing back when i used to play a few years ago. think it's always been a thing since HoB came out but could be wrong
you should make a video about carnarius playing a lot of nasus mid hes a challenger player who plays nasus in top but sometimes mid. i think it wrks well because mid lane is full of champs who need to scale before getting damage so he gets lots of free stacks.
Very glad to see one more vidéo about Shaco here ❤ but let's not forget that contrary to all the previous honorables summoner spotlighted here Pinkkwad is very toxic
So THIS is why I was playing against an AD Shaco support down in botlane yesterday. It’s okay though, I forgive you chime - because I was playing my positive WR Evelynn support! Oh boy does the taste of victory taste ever sweeter with 25 Mejai’s stacks and the tears of ADCs. I will continue to menace the rift with my off meta (Jungler) supports. I am the creature of your creation.
If we're talking about release dates, LoL released earlier than HoN. HoN was in beta earlier than LoL but was in beta for a year longer than LoL. HoN release was 2010, LoL 2009. Earliest found date for Scout was June 2009 and Shaco was Oct 2009. Doubt they copied each other, probably both copied ideas from the original Dota 1 roster. Many of their abilities are reminiscent of Meepo, phantom assassin, and templar assassin.
ahh now i know why sometimes ad shaco feels so broken to play against. they were bug abusing all this time. now i know whats going on i could never figure out. hope this shit gets fixed now.
It's not a bug crybaby. It has been on the old League wiki for years as an added tooltip. Love chime, but it has been common knowledge for years, not new or anything
Surely Riot won't fix hail of blades attack speed thing and with the changes to minion arrive times level 1 gank will cost him first wave exp. Well done by him but I am sure this will get nerfed.
It isnt really something to 'fix' as it isnt a bug, its just a clever way to use the mechanic of copying stats. Would be the same with any other stats he gets
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there's a typo in the word "explain" at 2:54
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I like how he tells the story of pink ward as if he is a new rising player nobody heard about
I purposely skipped after the boxbox video as everyone knows what happened after 👍
I had no idea about his history before
@@HappyChimeNoises Surprised you didn't mention that Pink Ward was so famous from that video that Riot made the Shaco clone drop 3 boxes in a triangle as a reference to him. Probably the most famous player the channel has covered lol...
@@serenolopez-darwin1975 Tyler1's urgot support is quite high on the list aswell
@@serenolopez-darwin1975 Had no idea it was due to him haha
@@serenolopez-darwin1975 xPetu shen mid is another renowned player/streamer
This is "Im so clonely"
also known as "Lick my shiv"
but mainly known as "Pink Ward"
WOW what a reveal
Anime reveals lit
Fun fact: Unbreakable bond was against Baus in the infamous Baus vs Kesha and Spear shot game
Damn i didnt know that even tho i watched spear shot's and kesha's video like 5 times.
Good fun fact
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People may also know Unbreakable Bond as Zaro. He also played a lot of Diana and Janna in previous seasons.
i was just about to comment that
It was only a matter of time before Pink Ward was on this channel. He's done things with Shaco that have revolutionised the play style.
Bro he is just a sad fat shaco main
Probably the best shaco player in the game
LMAO revolutionize deez nuts! am i rigth fellas ????
Some popular streamer (maybe Sneaky?) said recently that Shaco support is a thing.
His justification was that it never feels good to play against a Shaco support, so there must be something to it.
My guess would be that, like with anything, the more reliable information you have the better you can make optimal decisions, this is amplified in high-skill environments where even the tiniest detail can drastically change the outcome.
Shaco support might be viable simply because if it's played correctly, it will lower the opponents information and make them take sub-optimal decisions, and thus more likely to make mistakes, and in challenger ELO even one tiny mistake can be devastating, as shaco introduces so much uncertainty constantly; "Is this bush boxed?", "I can't see him, is he sneaking on me?", "Which one is the real one?", "Where did he teleport?", "There was a box here!?", "You fking idiots that was the fake one!", etc.
@Weba Azul yeah shaco's skill set may not be original but his personality is definitely expressed in his kit. I have tried this 2x so far and have won in low elo. The ealy umbral is so useful because you can be confident that they are not expecting you to jump in. The chaos that this thing inflicts on the enemy teams synergy is amazing. I can see why it works better in high elo but still does in low elo. I personaly made a variation instead of the everfrost i used liandrys so my clones are a lose lose situation where if either they kill it or let it auto it will do lots of damage.
That’s just pyke…
I knew PinkWard from the insane AP Shaco top gameplay, but im glad to see he doing another playstyle
AP shaco is worse than a caster minion in 2023
@@EVERYTYME not rlly. AP shaco scales way better late game, although you are definitely hard countered by a free sweeper lol. And if the enemy support get umbral glave, you're just done
@@Setton48 you just explained why ap shaco is so garbage while saying he isnt lmao?
@Setton so tell me again how it outscales when sweeper hard counters his whole kit? If you simply ignore AP shaco and not try to kill him, he can never kill you. Unless his team gets you low enough that an E kills
@@EVERYTYME Ap shaco mid is still very good, supp is worse due to lower income + more expensive items now that he doesnt go imperial mandate anymore.
Sweeper does counter shaco but in soloq its rarely meaningful as most games 1-2 people buy it, and even then they can only sweep 1-2 boxes per sweeper, so shaco can always outpace them + spread boxes faster.
If you like the pick then play it, it certainly isnt bad - pinkward is still mainly playing AP shaco, and is on the border of GM/Chall (if he hasnt inted it since I last checked)
So, this is the actually playable and non-troll version of Evelynn support.
I would like to point out that PinkWard himself has said in a few of his videos "if you want to play shaco support don´t do what I do". I agree with the 7,5 rating but Pink has a shit ton of experience with the champion and the game itself so it's definetely not easy and borderline impossible to play this strat in low elo if you're solo
Yeah even pinkward dies like 10 times a game.
It's not an easy pick, but it is very fun. So I recommend it for fun, and if you put the time in to learn it - you might be rewarded
@@HappyChimeNoises Yeah even pinkward dies like 10 times a game.
It's not an easy pick, but it is very fun. So I recommend it for fun, and if you put the time in to learn it - you might be rewarded
Yeah even pinkward dies like 10 times a game.
It's not an easy pick, but it is very fun. So I recommend it for fun, and if you put the time in to learn it - you might be rewarded
@@HappyChimeNoises doesnt work in low elo if your lane partner doesnt help. Usually they just assume troll pick and not commit to any trades and just watch :(
This! Support Shaco is best with AP, going AD is more of a “for fun” pick, but PinkWard is just so good at Shaco that he can afford to mess around a bit.
Shaco support is my current main pick and trying AD on support is kind of a hellish experience
I knew about PinkWard before I knew about LoL and that says something. This dude has made Shaco look like a 200 year champion. Haven’t seen players as calm and collected the way that he is. Absolute menace on the rift.
Tune into the stream and you'll probably change your mind
lol if you want a calm and collected shaco streamer you'll be a lot better off with anubace
This hob trick has been used by ad shaco since the rune came out. With the lethal tempo rune you can play tanky fighter for the same reason
Thanks!
OMG WHAT?!
Thank you so much!! That's so kind of you
This will really help :)
Are you a shaco fan? haha
3:00 Its actually something that started long before either of those players picked it up. I remember using this exact start on Twisted Treeline. Granted its not a "support" role in 3's, however thats how I played it often. Feeding kills to my two buddies, while feeding the rage the other team was feeling.
HOW THE F DID I KNOW THIS WAS PINK WARD, I HAVEN'T WATCHED HIM IN YEARS
Pinkward is the only shaco player I respect
Looks like he doesn't really build Essence reaver (at least he hasn't in 30 days) but rather builds umbral glaive and serpents fang second sometimes which I think is really smart as you can proc the item with clone and boxes and definitely would be worth mentioning!
Yeah he swapped while we were making the video and said I should mention both!
@@HappyChimeNoises I see, fair enough!
3:06, Yes....me lmao I've made multiple videos over 3 years ago about how good this can be, the flames back then were much more juicy! I'm glad Pink Ward has joined the darker side XD
Finally! As a shaco player, this is the perfect video to start my day
Clone bug is not new, you can watch videos from after the rune rework from ChaseShaco, Shaclone and yes even Pinkward that shows that the procced runes, pretty much regardless of which one we are talking about, persist on the clone until it explodes. Hail has been meta on ad shaco for this reason since the rune rework.
True, mostly new on support since this build is never usually played there.
Also most viewers are not shaco mains so it's completely new to most of us :)
Indeed, once I discovered it I've been using it pretty often in rgms and arams. Ad shaco in urf is a pleasure to play, oneshot then disappear, rinse repeat, but not when they have the 200 years champs
is it considered bug abuse?
@@howdocowsfly Considering you can't stop it unless you let a rune run out fully before hitting R, I would say no. Its also persisted even through the Shaco "rework" debacle when they made his Q visible from fog of war.
I haven't even watched the video yet but I could already sense the amount of salt radiating out of it.
Oh my god, i also played Heroes Of Newerth before LoL. Best MOBA game ever.
I actually play ad shaco support since a few months as well. Saw Unbreakable Bond in the top shaco list and then tried his insane build
ANOTHER BANGER OF A VIDEO BIG CHEERS TO THIS EXTREMELY HANDSOME HAPPYCHIMENOISES GUY
i proc'd the shaco trick yesterday without knowing it was a thing, ad i was so suprised when my clone did like a fuck ton of dmg. fun times
so here is the best editor on the world now
Good Job
A video of big mechanic to carry easily for whos low elo and wanna rank up.
That has been op for around 7 years now.
Almost no one did it, especially in high elo but now probably will be seen in more ranked games.
Chimes really pumping out videos right now its freaking crazy, lets jsut hope it doesnt mean a hiatus soon...
We need you to make a team with all this off meta players and put them to play from bronce to challenger and see how they do... would be like the avengers of league XD
I swear there's going to be an AD Sup Bush Garen build soon.
Im going to try
One of shacos big weaknesses is if you cant just burst them down and instead of runing they turn and fight you a lot of shacofights become skill matchups you have to outplay alot you dont get to statcheck anyone unless ur really ahead making ad shaco hardet toplay then ap since ap you can just place thingsdown and run away if they chase you youl probbly win ur more like a singed
sanguine + botrk shaco into full tank was my first hit on masters since his clone had 5 atkspd, spam botrk procs, and could not be peeled off, so cheesy. Especially since sanguine made you hve a stupid fast clear fullhp and solo drag in 6 seconds flat
Shaco: *dies*
"This is where the fun beginns"
I started shaco from him. And now I have 2m mastery points
Brother Pink Ward at it again
thank you so much for this video, now i can finally have a win streak with my enemies locking this in and failing
Dude I was just rewatching some older vids and you drop tnis
Fantastic timing
As a shaco support, i'll try different builds moving forward. Doubt I reach masters anyways but I hate grinding
Heroes of Newerth, now that's a name I havent heard in a long time! I miss that game, even if it was just a dota clone
just tried this out in a blind pick and man its so good, your teammates for whatever reason don't understand what roams are and think only standard play is the only way so you might get some flame. I played 4 games and won all 4 and got flame from some lanners until 15mins in when all lanes were winning. its shocking how bad the community is in blind pick.
my mans out here acting like any human being could recreate the absolute chadness that it the wardster
NGL, i played shaco since before release. I also player Newerth and DOTA....Those were days lol...super OP warwick, jax and shaco. After the release it was a bit more balanced, until they added stacking bloodrazor lol. Running Shaco with x5 blood razor and boots was criminal.
I legit played that for fun like a year ago, only picked shaco or ziwtch to make a funny lvl 1 gank mid:D
Awesome video man, I really like Shaco so I'm going to try this :)
Is this a old video? The HoB tech on shaco is not a new rune interaction. It has been talked about ever since HoB came out, has it not?
That “new ruin interaction” has been a thing since hail of blade was released. :))
Pinkward a legend, always has - always will be
you are bad influence on me chime!
funniest lvl1 iw ever had
honestly crazy that you got a ffxiv sponsor, well done man!
Shaco Can Play Literally Any Role. You Can't Change My Mind
i main cho support and have fought this type of shaco quite a few times. the easiest counter to this is just stay next to the ADC all the time. my flaming cloak or jak sho procs will show where shaco is so he cant just kill them. cho has this weird thing where if he Qs shaco and his clone the real one takes a bit more damage and if shaco cloned while within ult range then only the real one stays high lighted.
The real shaco also has a gold border around his mythic if you check items, while the clone doesn't have that.
Not sure if it's useful but I just wanted to point that out.
Well.... that was interesting
Also here before this blows up
the HoB clone interaction isnt new. was a thing back when i used to play a few years ago. think it's always been a thing since HoB came out but could be wrong
Imagine shaco and twitch meeting yourself mid and making 2v2 lvl 1
you should make a video about carnarius playing a lot of nasus mid hes a challenger player who plays nasus in top but sometimes mid. i think it wrks well because mid lane is full of champs who need to scale before getting damage so he gets lots of free stacks.
i wanna see on-hit offtank ad shaco where you abuse the hob interaction
Very glad to see one more vidéo about Shaco here ❤
but let's not forget that contrary to all the previous honorables summoner spotlighted here Pinkkwad is very toxic
i like the new layout at the end where you show runes build and skill order at the same time, mayhe if you could make it a bit bigger would be nice
Ah. He started as a Scout main. It all makes sense now.
Hell jeah a new Video ^^
I was on that BoxBox's stream... Good old times
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notice pink ward shaco since season 6-7 so this guy been around for a long time just fly under a lot of people radar
"new run interaction" been like that for 3 seasons
He plays hybrid shaco sup recently right? starting same as this guide and go full ap after umbral glaive right?
Champions of newerth was a sick game too.
what is the song at 3:45 pls :)
So THIS is why I was playing against an AD Shaco support down in botlane yesterday. It’s okay though, I forgive you chime - because I was playing my positive WR Evelynn support! Oh boy does the taste of victory taste ever sweeter with 25 Mejai’s stacks and the tears of ADCs.
I will continue to menace the rift with my off meta (Jungler) supports. I am the creature of your creation.
6:00AM Early ranking today guess I know what im playing today, thank you happy!
Everything made sense once he revealed it was pink ward
Yooo, i do this too, ad shaco support w the level one gank. Does this mean my ideas arent as stupid as i thought they were?
the fact that this build is from THE PINKWARD
Can’t wait to see this in my games
Pink ward is just like baus. Hes not overly mechanical or "good" in the same way as pros. Hes just a troll that people react too improperly
*11:24** look that zhonyas lol*
The legend of AD shaco is back
If we're talking about release dates, LoL released earlier than HoN. HoN was in beta earlier than LoL but was in beta for a year longer than LoL. HoN release was 2010, LoL 2009. Earliest found date for Scout was June 2009 and Shaco was Oct 2009. Doubt they copied each other, probably both copied ideas from the original Dota 1 roster. Many of their abilities are reminiscent of Meepo, phantom assassin, and templar assassin.
Thanks for the extra info :)
So my first thought is if hail of blades acts wierdly with clone how would lethal tempo act ?
The HoB bug has always been a thing on shaco. Unbreakable bond and pinkward did not ‘discover’ it nor are they the only ones that abuse it
Pink ward meant that he discoverd it on Support from Unbreakable bond + how it has synergy with the role.
Not the bug itself :)
But the speed of a AA of copy clone, is intended or is a bug?
i have been using this hail of blades tech since it came out lol
Another person who plays AD Shack support (maybe even before Pink) is Unbreakable Bond on EUW I believe
You're going to be shocked when you watch the middle of this video
as main supp i get way more flamed for picking shaco supp than skarner supp...no joke
would you do a video on ap tryndamere if foggedftw makes it high enough
For sure
Could you also consider kraken slayer as a mythic since it's auto based?
Oh lol i played the same build last couple of weeks!
Back when we had sword of the Devine I would play Ad shaco support. Grab a IE and you could still fck someone up on a budget
ahh now i know why sometimes ad shaco feels so broken to play against. they were bug abusing all this time. now i know whats going on i could never figure out. hope this shit gets fixed now.
It's not a bug crybaby. It has been on the old League wiki for years as an added tooltip. Love chime, but it has been common knowledge for years, not new or anything
The term is " snapshot " for the ult.
Ahhh.. Pink Ward. Never heard of that one.
It doesn't work below dia, adcs just go mental boom and laners that get the ganks usually can't use that lead to carry the game.
ADCs below dia will be bad on the other team too though, so it's easy kills.
If you can play it then it will work, if you can't it won't.
Is that clone attack speed thing a feature or a bug? Idk if you can get banned for it?
Just a cool interaction, not a bug
Gonna test this now, my account is doomed anyway, might as well make both team miserable. Thx
Scout was a pain in hon 💀
They are gonna patch that hail of blades clone thing soon here. I been knowing it, but its gonna get nerfed lol
Surely Riot won't fix hail of blades attack speed thing and with the changes to minion arrive times level 1 gank will cost him first wave exp.
Well done by him but I am sure this will get nerfed.
It isnt really something to 'fix' as it isnt a bug, its just a clever way to use the mechanic of copying stats. Would be the same with any other stats he gets
Noooooo don't tell everyone the secret :')
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2:54 EXLPAIN
Was HOB patched with this interaction
Wrong about the sweeper, it destroys AD shaco too (no surprise jump in) ^^