Curb Your Enthusiasm Wagner

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  • @dejpsyd0421
    @dejpsyd0421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I loved, “JUDIASM WHERE ARE YOU…” 🤣😂

  • @ElchaiDadon
    @ElchaiDadon 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1730

    Am l? Yes! I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish"
    best line ever looooooooool

    • @taggmanibanez
      @taggmanibanez 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      "you wanna check my penis?", comes in second.

    • @BabyBoomerChannel
      @BabyBoomerChannel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ElchaiDadon agreed. Worthy of Woody Allen.

    • @IvoPoblete
      @IvoPoblete 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Woody Allen said it first in Deconstructing Harry, btw.

    • @ChorltonOutlaw
      @ChorltonOutlaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You can see him smirk as he says it cos it's such a great line

    • @syourke3
      @syourke3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Larry David is a comic genius!

  • @neeeee5eeeee
    @neeeee5eeeee 11 ปีที่แล้ว +340

    Love how he whistled "Springtime for Hitler" at the end of the argument

  • @BeatlesLuvSoftKitty
    @BeatlesLuvSoftKitty 4 ปีที่แล้ว +386

    This is one of those rare moments where Cheryl actually backed Larry up.

    • @rutvin8763
      @rutvin8763 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      *very rare

    • @hd-xc2lz
      @hd-xc2lz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      So true. Way back in the show's heyday, when Cheryl and Larry first split, I was pretty bummed. They were a refreshingly real TV sitcom couple, and the affection between them seemed genuine. But when you rewatch these episodes knowing what is to come, a very different image of Cheryl emerges.

    • @christysmith697
      @christysmith697 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yeah that's one thing I hated about Cheryl she never backed him up she always left him hanging never spoke up for him but when he got Leon. Leon was his man

    • @hd-xc2lz
      @hd-xc2lz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@christysmith697 Funny, I never thought of Leon as a replacement for Cheryl, with improvements added. But of course he was, you're so right.

    • @sethalbert1239
      @sethalbert1239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bitches...

  • @mattv.4089
    @mattv.4089 10 ปีที่แล้ว +715

    "I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being jewish!" Lol

    • @tissue869
      @tissue869 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      yeah i just saw the damn video

    • @IvoPoblete
      @IvoPoblete 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Woody Allen said it first in Deconstructing Harry, btw.

    • @irenemax3574
      @irenemax3574 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Cooper Whoa, Cooper, I like to read the quotes, it’s like having conversation, we repeat what’s funny and laugh again.

  • @guguigugu
    @guguigugu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +676

    these people who think they can come up to perfect strangers and boss them around

    • @John-Adams
      @John-Adams 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Ironically, this is what Jews like to do all the time. Look up the Anti-Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions legislation that makes it illegal in certain states for businesses to boycott Israeli goods and services, as if its not a gross violation of American right of association.

    • @dannyhenderson308
      @dannyhenderson308 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@John-Adams yup
      Bernie Sanders is the first politician to stand up to Israel
      Fighting for us AMERICANS 🇺🇸

    • @mikepiazza7764
      @mikepiazza7764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Standing up for YOU AMERICANS!!
      Like Fidel Castro and other socialist dictatorships.
      Sanders is nothing but a foolish prop.

    • @timrasmussen5607
      @timrasmussen5607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @GayJew yes he is

    • @stewiegriffin12341
      @stewiegriffin12341 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@timrasmussen5607 Then so is every politician in the history of the world.

  • @bcdside
    @bcdside 7 ปีที่แล้ว +367

    Revenge is a dish best served cold alongside an orchestra playing Wagner in the morning.

    • @subg8858
      @subg8858 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I always thought revenge was a dish best served cold, but I found out it actually just means getting back at someone

    • @Sockerfader
      @Sockerfader 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@subg8858 who writes these jokes?

    • @maniak1768
      @maniak1768 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's why most Klingons love opera.

    • @DonVal86
      @DonVal86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Brent D One of my favorite endings to a CYE episode.

    • @Emanuela9
      @Emanuela9 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      My favorite is him wearing the MAGA hat. It's a people repellent unless one is a certain type of person. 🙄

  • @douglastollemache6855
    @douglastollemache6855 8 ปีที่แล้ว +591

    Judaism, where are you? Where are you Judaism?

    • @PrashBoy780
      @PrashBoy780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i lost it when he said that

  • @BunionMann
    @BunionMann 13 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    "I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being jewish." greatest line

  • @garyhamilton1981
    @garyhamilton1981 5 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    Imagine having that much money to scorn all your enemies in such a beautiful way

    • @dorianphilotheates3769
      @dorianphilotheates3769 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gary Hamilton - I “scorn my enemies” all the time, and I haven’t got a red cent to my name...

    • @rickyiglesias5384
      @rickyiglesias5384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I love how Larry is a cheapass when it matters and also willing to splurge when it matters hahaha

    • @sam.lipchutz
      @sam.lipchutz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can imagine doing allot of things with that much money but that one seems childish and petty

  • @aspectra
    @aspectra 9 ปีที่แล้ว +187

    How can you not love Larry David? I got turned onto this show late, but my dad was always coming into my room when I was rabidly laughing at this show.

  • @eleSDSU
    @eleSDSU 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    The way Larry captures the beauty of the petty revenge, it's wonderful.

  • @mercedes932
    @mercedes932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    For anyone who doesn’t know the ending theme is the prelude or “Vorspiel” from Die Meistersinger von Nürnburg - one of Wagner’s finest achievements - which happened to also be Hitler’s favourite Wagnerian opera. It was said he could accurately whistle the intricate leitmotifs from this opera. So Larry really couldn’t have picked a better piece for revenge!

    • @BeezerWashingbeard
      @BeezerWashingbeard ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Are you Jewish!?

    • @emobernd
      @emobernd ปีที่แล้ว

      actually "rienzi" was hitlers favourite wagner opera

    • @DolphinPain
      @DolphinPain ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@BeezerWashingbeard "You wanna check my penis?"

  • @OnePunchYume
    @OnePunchYume 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The way he said "Judaism, where are you" had me laughing.

  • @Based.Mercado
    @Based.Mercado 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    “YOU sir, win A HUNDRED DOLLARS!” lmfao

  • @NotShowingOff
    @NotShowingOff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    This is what George Constanta would do if he had more money.

    • @davedaveization
      @davedaveization 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Arvind Talukdar hahahahaha!!! Priceless

    • @seank4150
      @seank4150 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Funny you mention that, there was an interview with the actor that plays George and he mentions that his character is based on Larry David

    • @bpogueg2
      @bpogueg2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sean K yeah, this person knows this and that’s why he said it. Most Seinfeld fans have known this for 20+ years, depending upon their age of course.

    • @shawnmcdoge2215
      @shawnmcdoge2215 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @profnasty did it? did it really?.......

    • @rickyiglesias5384
      @rickyiglesias5384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      MAYBE. Larry has guts. George was pretty gutless and weak.

  • @knowsmebyname
    @knowsmebyname 6 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    That really is a beautiful piece of music

    • @patgogan7324
      @patgogan7324 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      knowsmebyname beethoven ain't bad either..

    • @JJJ111JJJ
      @JJJ111JJJ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's whistling it wrong though.

    • @mencken8
      @mencken8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes, and:
      “It does not follow, that because a particular work of art succeeds in charming us, its creator also deserves our admiration.”
      ― Plutarch (Lucius Mestrius Plutarchus, c. 46-120 AD)

    • @eitanseitchik3020
      @eitanseitchik3020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you jewish???

    • @gordo6908
      @gordo6908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mencken8 sure it does, you are admiring their musical ability. that doesn't mean you approve of their cooking too

  • @Gozleone
    @Gozleone 11 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    larry conducting the orchestra at the end is one of my favorite television moments of all time.

    • @basehead617
      @basehead617 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gozleone yes it's perfectly acted

  • @Andrea-xs4ny
    @Andrea-xs4ny 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The beauty of being Larry David is having the money necessary to exact such horrific revenge.

  • @jockejocke1
    @jockejocke1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +519

    Wagner was one of the greatest anti-dentites throughout history.

    • @ACustomConcern
      @ACustomConcern 10 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      YOU'RE A RABID ANTI-DENTITE

    • @fiddleleaf
      @fiddleleaf 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Oh god, thanks for reminding me I need to rewatch every seinfeld episode ever

    • @ReignOfPraine
      @ReignOfPraine 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      They do have their own schools!

    • @palabrajot505
      @palabrajot505 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Dentists... Who needs em'?

    • @Sappa9702
      @Sappa9702 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@palabrajot505 not to mention the Blacks and the Jews

  • @lokchucklindryfry94
    @lokchucklindryfry94 5 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    'Where are you Judaism?' xD

  • @Grapejuice187able
    @Grapejuice187able 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    “Where’s your heritage?! Where’s your JUDAISM??!”
    “JUDAISM WHERE ARE YOU??!” 😂😂😂

  • @robins.joseph7312
    @robins.joseph7312 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "JUDAISM! WHERE ARE YOU??"

  • @arlieferguson3990
    @arlieferguson3990 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    "That's so Romaantic." "Excuse me. Are you Jewish?"
    There's a lot of Woody Allen in this.

  • @NeonShadowsx
    @NeonShadowsx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think the funniest bit is Cheryl patiently listing to Larry whistling a song

    • @Christoph-sd3zi
      @Christoph-sd3zi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most of marriage is listening to your betrothed's stupidity

  • @bluntdude
    @bluntdude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    judaism, where are you? - i died!

  • @dinglemccringleberry6258
    @dinglemccringleberry6258 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    judaism where are you

  • @deanrantz1112
    @deanrantz1112 9 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    Funny how Walter Knows that Larry is Whistling Wagner

    • @palabrajot505
      @palabrajot505 5 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Walter strikes me as a guy who's never experienced a lick of antisemitism, personally but thinks about it constantly. He finds every excuse he can to refer to himself as a victim.

    • @Warm_and_loveable
      @Warm_and_loveable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@palabrajot505 so he's like Jewish?

    • @rico76
      @rico76 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Warm_and_loveable hah!

    • @Paolo8772
      @Paolo8772 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Especially considering it's not typical of Wagner. Also, considering how thick the music is I wouldn't even recognize it from one live take whistled by Larry David.(No offence to him)

    • @dannydelacruz7303
      @dannydelacruz7303 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      know ur enamy

  • @albertbatfinder5240
    @albertbatfinder5240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Spite Orchestras are the next big thing.

  • @brandonnafso8847
    @brandonnafso8847 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Judiasm, where are you?!" hahahaha one of the best curb scenes

  • @piromaniac9999
    @piromaniac9999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That expression larry david has when he looks up at the window of walter while having a live orchestra play wagner cracks me up every time.

  • @kunalpatel7018
    @kunalpatel7018 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Great scene in television history!

  • @2WheelEscapeArtist
    @2WheelEscapeArtist 12 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    My Man! Larry always gets the most thoughtful forms of revenge.

  • @soapmeridius
    @soapmeridius 10 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    "Judaism, where are you?" ha

  • @1344662
    @1344662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    “I do hate myself but it has nothing to do with being Jewish” is one of the greatest quotes ever.

    • @AdAstra78
      @AdAstra78 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True! But you have Woody Allen to thank for that. Larry stole it.

  • @dana.j9062
    @dana.j9062 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Larry David the maestro of pissing people 🤣😂🤣

  • @neontime8507
    @neontime8507 6 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Lmao when they get separated Larry starts whistling Springtime for Hitler! What a coincidence since he later performs in the Producers in a later season

    • @mr.sandman8170
      @mr.sandman8170 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @fooloof i don't think so, he said he writes every curb season with the intention of it being the last one, he probably is just a fan of the musical, he said mel brooks was a major influence to him

  • @Schrodinger_
    @Schrodinger_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I've been looking for my judaism for 8 years now. I think my dad might have sold it at the garage sale by mistake.

  • @rikjamesguitare
    @rikjamesguitare 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's incredible how the background people have the skill to ignore this whole encounter. Genius extras work

  • @copticsceptic
    @copticsceptic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The hidden genius of this skit: “Walter or Walther is a German masculine given name derived from Old High German Walthari, composed of the elements walt- (Proto-Germanic *wald-) "power", "brightness" and hari (Proto-Germanic *χarja) "army"”

  • @larrybud
    @larrybud 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    1:55 he starts to whistle Mel Brooks' "Springtime for Hitler". Never noticed that before!

  • @captain_inglorious
    @captain_inglorious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love how Larry composes so furiously hahaha

  • @bossgandy
    @bossgandy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "I hate myself, but it's got nothing to do with being a jew", literally rolling on the floor lauging

  • @fauxmosmexual
    @fauxmosmexual 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    oh my god when he starts whistling springtime for hitler

  • @python_7179
    @python_7179 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I honestly wonder how hard Wagner would've laughed at this

  • @SanDeezyBreezy61986
    @SanDeezyBreezy61986 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Most epic trollage ever.

  • @bosoxfan38
    @bosoxfan38 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This has to be the best scene in curb your enthusiasm

  • @RubioNegroZaravia
    @RubioNegroZaravia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The piece at the end is the overture from "Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg", for anyone wondering.

  • @photog1529
    @photog1529 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish". Classic.

  • @originalJoeKing
    @originalJoeKing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Cheryl is actually siding with Larry and not the person who is opposing him?

  • @MaestroTJS
    @MaestroTJS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This might have been the best episode of the whole series.

  • @jaycee6390
    @jaycee6390 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    " I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish" 😂😂

  • @clayjack9969
    @clayjack9969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This man just started a twitter argument in the real world.

  • @Colddeed
    @Colddeed 12 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The ending of this episode = Most epic pwnage ever!.

  • @forman208
    @forman208 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I never noticed how much Cliff Cobb looks like Peter Dinklage

  • @s.egberink5357
    @s.egberink5357 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The face of Larry David at 2:43 - gold.

    • @222333aaaaaa
      @222333aaaaaa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Makes me laugh every time

    • @jgreico11
      @jgreico11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Maestro Larry David

  • @adityasingh-oe6xy
    @adityasingh-oe6xy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The guy must have heard the music quite a few times to know it that well.

  • @jm15xy
    @jm15xy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Today someone would pick up their phone, record the argument, and post it on TH-cam.

  • @hansombrother1
    @hansombrother1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The tune at the end was " Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg" - Wagner.

  • @tonytone5856
    @tonytone5856 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh that's comforting 😂

  • @Phoebegrace056
    @Phoebegrace056 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God this show is so funny lol! one of my favorites

  • @robertaguirre6764
    @robertaguirre6764 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the, if not the best episodes ever! Shalom

  • @shoe2522
    @shoe2522 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ONE OF THE GREATEST EPISODES EVER

  • @Kruppt808
    @Kruppt808 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At least the guy knows good music to identify it by someone whistling outside where it's kind of noisy.

  • @MrBillcale
    @MrBillcale 10 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    thank you larry, i've used this several times

  • @maniak1768
    @maniak1768 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know they had to make a cut in the piece short for runtime reasons, but if you come to think about the fact that this concert had to go on for like at least nine or ten minutes, it becomes even more hilarious.

  • @knugenavswarje734
    @knugenavswarje734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is good use of "fuck you money".

  • @toosweet7237
    @toosweet7237 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I noticed they cut out a small part after Larry David says.."what is this. you're foaming at the mouth" he says, "somebody get a muzzle for this guy" .I saw it on HBO's Curb Your Enthusiasm..lol

  • @susanmorano405
    @susanmorano405 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only Larry would hire an orchestra to play Walter's most hated music, on his property no less 😄

  • @elevate32767
    @elevate32767 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    lmao well that escalated quickly.

  • @dittoking8996
    @dittoking8996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He started to whistle springtime for Hitler

  • @alonh1809
    @alonh1809 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Judaism where are you" great line

  • @adamwright1619
    @adamwright1619 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "You sir win 100 dollars" lmao

  • @Vriappiopoi
    @Vriappiopoi 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy is a comedic genius!

  • @spoonfuloffructose
    @spoonfuloffructose 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loled like crazy. I love this show.

  • @kramer1372
    @kramer1372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “..”Hello Dolly”?”... ha

  • @albertofernandes99
    @albertofernandes99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ultimate troll!! Damn I love Larry lol

  • @thornie123
    @thornie123 7 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    "I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish!"

  • @GumbarLimbits
    @GumbarLimbits ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Curb shows what people with social anxiety think every interaction will be like

  • @pha1994
    @pha1994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What song is he whistling before being called out? I can’t seem to find

    • @MaxSnowDude
      @MaxSnowDude ปีที่แล้ว

      Springtime for Hitler in Germany from Mel brooks movie the producers. (It’s genius you should watch it)

  • @stfjesusfreak
    @stfjesusfreak 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Larry’s the best! Gosh he makes me laugh!

  • @enkibumbu
    @enkibumbu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is incredible.

  • @notricky1680
    @notricky1680 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a power move

  • @jlobiafra
    @jlobiafra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm disappointed in larry not because he's whistling Wagner but just whistling in public. I figured Larry would be an anti Whistler who would confront a public Whistler

  • @kmm2442
    @kmm2442 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how agro it descends so quickly.

  • @Paolo8772
    @Paolo8772 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Then he starts whistling "Springtime for Hitler in Germany."

  • @RockBottomRiser21
    @RockBottomRiser21 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best episode ever!

  • @sonictrasher
    @sonictrasher 12 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    JUDAISM WHERE ARE YOU?

  • @therealqcb8986
    @therealqcb8986 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Larry is working that baton like Thanos wearing that Infinity Gantlet.

  • @dannycalypse
    @dannycalypse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've seen this scene so many times and only just now I've noticed that Larry appears to be whistling "Springtime for Hitler" at 1:49!
    Edit: I see this has already been pointed out.

  • @nicolekelly1594
    @nicolekelly1594 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Larry kills me with the orchestra

    • @chrisb8655
      @chrisb8655 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's the best ending to a Curb episode.

  • @thebarryman
    @thebarryman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The guy who plays Walter is hilarious. Easily a top 5 scene in the show. How he cringes when he hears Larry whistling 🤣🤣🤣

  • @bcdside
    @bcdside 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    1:49 Is he whistling the refrain to “Springtime For Hitler” (for those unfamiliar with that song, it’s from Mel Brooks’ “The Producers”)?

    • @edienandy
      @edienandy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Brent D why yes, yes he is lol

  • @macknavick2602
    @macknavick2602 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the few people Larry has a complete victory against.

  • @SandrineAnterrion
    @SandrineAnterrion 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pretty good baton, Larry David!...

  • @rajeshr6440
    @rajeshr6440 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Judiasm !!! Where are you.. judiasm !! Where are you..

  • @melsoro7311
    @melsoro7311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "JUADISM WHERE ARE YOU"

  • @cesartovarm
    @cesartovarm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would've been funnier if he'd played Ride of the Valkyries outside Walter's house.

  • @kappitain
    @kappitain 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "JUDAISM WHERE ARE YOU??"
    DIED :))

  • @marcoskolioulis3522
    @marcoskolioulis3522 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wagner died in 1888 don't know what this guy is talking about