DeWalt Atomic Reciprocating Saw vs Milwaukee M18 FUEL Hackzall | Thursday Throwdown
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- In this week's Thursday Throwdown, we pit the DeWalt Atomic reciprocating saw vs the Milwaukee M18 FUEL Hackzall. We test cutting speed in wood, metal, and PVC and compare features, weight, vibration, and more...
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Finally got my tree branches cut using my new saw th-cam.com/users/postUgkx84IcU5pbZd1Qrz8u4-YRLmJax7kdRi7B , and it was effortless. Then tackled taking pallets apart by just cutting through the nails. Zip Zip, like butter, took no time at all! Absolutely love that you just push a button to change the blade, so quick and easy. I chose cordless because of all the outside projects I need to do, and most are too far to extend an extension cord to. Incredibly lightweight, and easy to handle. I will be using this all the time. There is a reason they call them Sawzalls , because they literally saw all the things you need cut. Once you buy one you'll kick yourself for not doing it sooner ~ Just make sure and buy the right blades for the job you want to tackle. The blades are not expensive, and there are lots of various multi-packs available.
I’m a service plumber and for me its all about getting the job done right as fast as I can and on to the next job. So speed, performance and warranty are what matters. Milwaukee gets it done.
Instablaster
I feel the need... the need for SPEED!
Fast but definitely effective
If you get paid by the hour Dewalt, if you get paid by the job, milwaukee.
Dewalt engineers should be ashamed, if I were their manager I would be kicking their ass.
Also its very clear on the Milwaukee platform there are 2 types M12 nd M18, but the Dewalt battery ranges seem very convoluted.
Dude I definitely agree with this saw Milwaukee takes the cake. Only thing that keeps me from getting Milwaukee is their use of slave camps in xin xang China to make their tools. Can’t support that my guy. Dewalt makes the majority of their things right here in America.
It only took two tries for you guys to fricking NAIL this format. It's amazing. The perfect balance of off-the-cuff and well-considered that no one else has ever quite managed.
Watching how crooked you cut PVC will keep me up at night.
Chris Poole you’re not kidding holy shit 😂😂
@@Protoolreviews You're doing it all wrong, you're supposed to turn the tool around and cut towards your body. I like to use my leg or fingers as a backer while cutting
@@mastermetalshredder hell no you always cut away from you peroid
Conqwiztadore22 no man, you have to cut towards/into your body. This goes for circular saws as well..
Also shouldn't be the fuel should be the regular milwaukee
Tie breaker durability, drop them till one stops working.
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We all know who will win lol
I like the way dewalt feels and get cleaner more precised cuts on finished surfaces, plus i can get in tighter places. Makes a difference carrying a lb more all day. If i want a bigger, faster saw, I grab one. Use the right tool for the job. Ill grab a full size milwaukee for a fast rough in job.
I really like this "Thursday Throwdown" feature you are doing. I think it will catch on and really help your channel in the long run.
Thank you hugely for lowering the volume right before the cut
There is no contest, if you need to get work done get the Milwaukee. BTW most of my tools are yellow.
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@@nestormoctezuma4695 what does that have to do with lowering the volume before the cut?
Great video, most likely the first time I've ever subscribed to a channel after one video. Nobody else is making such clear and concise tool reviews, it really makes your channel stick out. Looking forward to watching more.
I have M12 fuel hackzall and as a plumber I find it to be the perfect one handed sawzall. If I need the power and have the space I'll run the regular fuel sawzall. Best of both worlds
I will take performance over “features” any day.
Hi guys,
I use both cordless tool line (milwaukee and dewalt). For me I can't justify being only on one brand because each company has a tool better then the other. Also with purchasing kits today you will always get enough batteries.
In this comparison milwaukee wins. I have the milwaukee m18 hackzall and it's great.
This is Dewalt first handsaw for the (atomic) line. Still a good tool for small projects. Hopefully in their next version it will be better for their regular 20v tool line. Just as powerful like the milwaukee m18 hackzall.
Remember everyone this is milwaukee second generation to get it right on both the m18 & m12 models.
Thanks for the video
Ditto. Best of both worlds. Shout out too DeWaukee!
I agree. I'm in Milwaukee, Bosch and Makita cordless and if I find a DeWalt tool that suits me best I'll buy it. Most of my cordless tools happen to be Milwaukee, but I'm ok with running different batteries.
I also fall in this category. I own both brands because they both have something great to offer. Depending on my task at hand, I choose accordingly.
I'm an electrician; I do the same with hand tools.
So yes you weighted both equally the Milwaukee is 1 lb extra and the angle and weight balance puts the weight forward on the cut. The dewalt 90° and straight lines place it more balance weight distribution. The balance doesn’t fatigue the user as much but means less cutting force on the experiment completed here.
Equally both great tools.
So you're gonna get fatigued cutting a 2 inch pvc pipe ? Lol
Ive used both. My tool box for work is all Milwaukee. But the hackzall is my favorite tool in there. The thing is a absolute beast. Im a residential electrician and it is absolutely perfect for cutting through anything i need
Hey can the M18 cut through rigid conduit or strut? or is it just emt?
@@djaztec97 yes it can cut through all 3. I’ve done it with my coworkers quite a few times. I was finally able to get my own today. Just make sure you get a metal blade and have at it!
That's why I own and use them both! 😅👍
Nice comparison video guys, as always!
My first time watching you guys and im already liking the tests better than what i see on the VCG Construction channel. Also subbed
VCG are paid from Flex and others under the table...thier so phony and Vince is fukn annoying!
VCG only cares about their one dolla hollas...10 mins before they actually start talking about the product. I'm jumping ship too.
@@Protoolreviews I can’t stand VCG anymore
Its pretty good, VCG is heavily Milwaukee biased, Ave is brilliant though with his teardowns.
Tell me about it. What those guys do at VCG is try to win a showdown,. Race to the finish line. Its always the combination of the tool and the operator.
Great side by side challenge... put a 6lb weight on the dewalt saw to compare evenly with weight.
As a contractor time is money. If you was cutting pipe all day , you would want the Milwaukee
Okay mr vcg construction lol
I would like to say that Milwaukee also put a “guide” so to say on their plate so whatever way the blade is facing you kind of have an arrow to guide it if trying to make a “precision cut” (as precise as you can with a saw) just something I’ve found out with mine
I love your program. Extremely accurate.
What about 18v atomic vs m12 fuel
Im curious to see if the 18 is any better
The FUEL is a beast, just cut some huge oak tree branches yesterday and it was not much work.
Great video. Thanks. Maybe you could add Build Quality as part of your future test criteria. I own both brands as they each have their strengths. That said, while the specs often favor DeWalt, the build quality on many Milwaukee tools is superior. You can hear the difference when you run tools like drills, reciprocating saws, etc.
I mean, those 3 points on cutting speed on those materials carry more importance than something like size and weight snd vibration especially when those last 3 are really close and the cutting speeds are drastically different. Vibration weight snd size should all be like .25 of a point.
Never realized that this is a twin bro channel, good stuff guys!
Bought the M12 Hackzall after watching this last year. As a homeowner, I invested in the 12V Milwaukees instead of 18V...for the smaller size and price.
As it turns out, prices on these two tools has plummeted while the 12V has held steady. I assume they fell into that void between DIYers and tradesmen where sales suffered. It doesn't help that the M12 is an overachiever.
For most jobs for the average person to professional, the m12 really does the job. M18 good to have but most times its overkill unless doing a commerical to industrial type of work, even then youd want to use a corded power tool for the task. M12 is also great portability wise especially if youre bouncing from job to job or different places in the day on the jobsite. A lot of jobsites arent packout/rolling bag friendly so anything to keep the gear light as possible helps
@@ggsdude1 I'm assuming DeWalt got the message because since writing this, I've invested in their 20V platform. I actually replaced that M12 sawzall with DeWalt's compact reciprocating saw and got the poll saw and weed trimmer(with the alloy gear head). M12 tools still getting more use though.
I can’t decide….Gonna have to get both. Great review guys👍
As a service plumber I tend to run Milwaukee (Specialized work)
12v series), Dewalt (Demo Work), and Metabo 18/36v (Impact / Hammer drills). Each have a spot.
Thanks for this one. I was in the market for a one handed recip-saw. The price and weight of the DeWalt were very attractive, but at the end of the day these are tools for work. Battery platform isn't a factor. I buy tools that preform and no one company makes the best... everything. If price and weight were my determining factors, I'd be more inclined to get a M12 hackzall. Hd is running a deal currently with a rapid charger and two XC 6 ah batteries for $299. The M18 Fuel Hackzall is one of the free tools you can pick. There are more expensive tools available in the deal, but this is the tool I needed. Thanks again, you made my decision very easy.
Dewalt had a stupid good Black Friday sale $300; 6½ circular saw then atomic line (brushless 18v) ocillator, orbital sander, impact, powerdrill, (slow single battery) charger, 2ah & 4ah batteries, and a carry bag. Sadly my drill recently sprung legs and ran away with my 4ah battery and a hole saw.
Build quality is another important category. I checked out both models out at HD and noticed the M18 Fuel's main shaft is a much larger diameter than the Atomic's. The older, brushed M18 Hackzall's shaft is also larger. Their shoes seemed a bit heavier duty, too. The Milwaukee saws appear better suited for heavy work than the DeWalt, and possibly more durable in the long run. The Atomic is new, so too early to tell for sure. Of course, as you mentioned in the video, the DeWalt's advantage is it's significantly lighter and more compact. That said, the Milwaukee M12 Fuel Hackzall (with a 4ah or 6ah battery) is likely comparable to the 18V Atomic in both size and power. I would choose the M18 Fuel.
Rob D I used fuel m12 sawzall its a beast for its size...a larger ah battery is important I only used 6ah i just completed a hospital and it cut a lot of 1” emt I think the atomic line isn’t heavy duty
Did you guys lower the sound or trying to determine who can cut the slowest?
I'd go with Milwaukee because of the speed, the last thing I need when cutting a bolt is a slow saw.
I've already committed to the Dewalt line but I'm grateful for this review. When I decided to add a cordless recip saw to the collection I wasn't sure whether I wanted the larger or more compact models. I was already leaning towards the atomic because of the belt clip. :-) Now that I see it cuts just fine AND gets into places my corded (Milwaukee) recip saw can't, AND it's of a size my wife would like, cause she's right at home in the shop, I'm sold. The atomic is my next tool.
As far as I know, all of milwaukee tools can use a belt clip. If it does not come with one, you can add it. You can also buy other aftermarket devices to hold any tool if it does not offer a belt clip. That is a foolish reason to not buy a tool. Also if you need a more compact tool, the m12 will be more compact and light than the dewalt and probably more powerful even. LOL.
@@ariip As I said, I use Dewalt. And you're a dick. LOL!
@@ariip The M12 and Xtreme 12v are a lot closer in performance than these. I have a charger for each, but I will go with DeWalt for the 12v recip because it's overall nicer.
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Does the atomic have dual flywheels like the fuel? What's the stroke comparison. Crack them open and compare the guts, what's metal on one and plastic on the other.
Wow, i'm pretty surprised at the difference. It wasn't even close. What makes it so much faster? is the blade stroke length longer on the M18?
Yes it is. The Fuel is a monster. Far superior to even the non-Fuel Milwaukee. The Dewalt didn’t have a chance but none of the other one handed sawzalls do either.
Good review...awkward humour.
For me, the Dewalt has the better features.
As a gardener, size, weight & ergonomics are just as crucial as power. A fast powerful saw is great for demolition but due to blade heat and vibration is useless for clean straight cuts & longevity. Decent blades are relatively expensive and a saw with 3100+ strokes per minute is going to reduce a good blade to shit in no time at all.
When I spend $80 upwards on a blade, I prefer for it to last longer than 10 minutes so I opt for the saw that has the least amount of vibration as well as a stable top end. A saw with long stroke travel & 3100 spm will also cost you money due to the saw continually smashing and bending the tips of your blades into whatever it hits.
I use a variety of reciprocating saws for pruning and on general landscaping and construction materials daily. Looking at this review I feel I'll buy the Dewalt and give it a shot...
I rate my tools on how they are going to effect me physiologically more than anything else because no matter how great a tool may be, if it has negative effects on my body after using it then it's no go.
Vibration + Weight + Electromagnetic Force destroys bone marrow and weakens bone marrow production, it causes bone shock, destroys joint cartilage, severely disrupts the nervous system, creates arthritis, regional numbness as well as organ fatigue.
Thanks guys!
Why would you put lower grade dewalt line against high end Milwaukee line
China needs their products pushed
Why would anyone ever use beef flavored tooth paste designed for Rottweilers?
Because it's delicious.
Is there no fuel brushless hackzall?
Should had added a Pound of wait to the DeWalt when doing the test seeing how the other ways pound more. That's a 15% decrease in a slower cut .
That's actually the new and only 20v one handed saw that dewalt has..so they both are in the same line...
So many people hating on the dewalt for being slow, part of the reason is because it’s lighter which having a light saw is really great, I personally would go with the dewalt
I would love if you also compared it to the Ryobi version.
As these are designed to be more one handed tools for small areas, speed while being important, ergonomics and size are really more important. If a person really wan'ts overall speed, then most people would use a full sized reciprocating saw. I think either saw will be a good choice, with many will choose based on which brand they already have.
Yes they are good when you need to cut something one handed or need more control and don’t want your saw ripping straight through something and maybe hitting something important.
I just used mine to cut floor out around air duct and vent.
Excellent unbiased review. I have both dewalt and Milwaukee cordless tools. Based on this review I'm going Milwaukee
You’ll essentially have more vibrations with the Dewalt because you’ll be running it longer as it cuts slower
I see what you mean, it adds up
I was thinking the same thing
Emp Ty I never thought of it like that but now that you say it I think Milwaukee should’ve won vibration test
I have used them both now. The Dewalt is slower, but it is almost vibration free and easy to follow out of position cut lines. Also, the dewalt seems to make a cleaner cut. One more benefit, if you are on a ladder working, the Dewalt wins by the belt hook and the nose hook.
@@scottrule3456 you can buy and add that piece
You guys are awesome great video!
5:50
so awkward lmao. Was he trying to shake his hand😂
Woukd be nice to see a close up of the cut edges of the pipes . If one has more vibrations or longer blade stores it might affect the cut, if one cuts faster but then I have to spend more time smoothing out a cut then it's not really saving me the time. If one cuts a bit slower but smoother than that's less time I have to sand/file the edge. Idk maybe something to look at?
FWIW, for light recip work, I use a "body panel saw" which is much smaller and lighter than either of these and works especially well in tight places where these tools are often used.
...the RPM's play a role in cutting performance as well...BTW, I love Lenox blades!....
Dewalt 1/2" stroked length, Milwaukee 7/8" stroked length
Great video. However I have a very important question, what is behind that door?
Can the blade be run both directions on these saws like the sawzall? I am looking to get one and this is a feature I will need.
Brett S. Yes
DO THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME SPEED IN THEIR SPECS WHEN YOU ARE TESTING?
I wonder if the same blades were used?
By far the most fair review I have seen on youtube. I will say that while Dewalt has a great name and reputation BUT.... I really think they have gotten lax over the last 5 years and relied on their brand name carry them which tends to happen to most industry leaders. Milwaukee is killing it right now, they have the best price to performance of the two because with Dewalt you are simply paying more for the batteries. They also win in warranty which you would think with a reputation like Dewalt they could extend their warranty to 5 years. I am sure their is more to it than what I am saying but from a consumer looking in Milwaulkee just seems to be taking advantage of a lot of the competition.
Dewalt 3.13 lb Milwaukee 4.15 lb to be fair did you add an extra 1lb to the weight plate ?
I used to have DeWalt but ended up giving them to my brother and got myself Milwaukee 😉
No one cares about your family deal stupid
AdrianFromTH-cam worst decision! It’s really Chinese tools vs American! Lol genius
Milwaukee is better quality and they have a wider range of tools that use the same batteries.
@@vasilhrisca5536
DeWalt makes tools in China. Genius
RAM TRUCKS yes, but that’s not what I’m arguing genius! Lol
They may make some stuff in China, but most of their products are from Mexico. And they’re the only brand that make and assemble tools here in the states.
Great review and great features but I'm not looking at those things as I want to get work done. Its Milwaukee all day.
Was that dewalt turned all the way up bud cuz I do believe I have the same model and there is power settings
does either have variable speed?
And that’s why my arsenal is all Milwaukee 👍🏼
I love my atomix dewalt. I can use it one handed. I am used to traditional ac huge sawzall. I always thought we needed something easier for in the house. I cut apart a vanity in a hurry 1 handed.
One of best reviewes
Ia that even the xr delwalt or just a brushless?
Thanks for the video
The Milwaukee cuts faster. That's a given with the longer stroke length. However, if I'm buying a compact tool, it's because I need to fit into tight spaces. I've had the longer strokes be self-defeating when it comes to tight, precise cuts. I do commercial HVAC rough ins, so having clean cuts matters. I prefer the Dewalt personally. Milwaukee would do a good job of replacing a full-size saw with minimal performance loss on a smaller platform, but I buy each tool for a specific reason, and Dewalt still hasn't let me down.
It does not matter. Both get the job done. I just wanted to see both at work. Compared to a traditional sawzall, both are significantly better.
That dewalt gets so hot 🔥 when you're using it. After 10 minutes of hard use it gets so hot that you can barely keep a top hand on it. The Milwaukee does not have that problem.
I personally love the Milwaukee hacksaw for cutting EMT and Unistrut. I am a commercial Electrician so the hacksaw does everything I need! All my power tools are Milwaukee!
I really think the Atomic will appeal to electricians dramatically more than the Hackzall. The Hackzall is a plumbers dream (speaking from experience) the power is always welcome with pipes that are ~ 4" whether it's PVC, ABS or any type of mild steel. Although in the end yes, I am extremely jealous of the belt clip being a Milwaukee invested user.
Peter Shmanka as an electrician the dewalt ergonomics and weight are attractive but I have to drill Tapcons then cut holes in wooden/metal studs and metal enclosures the atomic line is a light duty line of tools....Electricians Rule the Tools...and Milwaukee is the best...however the small dewalt bandsaw is much better than Milwaukee’s m12 bandsaw(which is a bumber)
I agree about the hackzall being a plumber's dream,it's such a beast. I've cut up to 8" sch 80 cpvc with this thing. It's so strong and light for what its capable of
have you tried milwaukee's PVC cutter? smooth cuts on the PVC, but curious how worth it is in real world application.
With the Milwaukee weighing over a pound more it should cut faster under gravity. In addition, where the weight was located in relation to the fulcrum, clearly affects cutting performance.
The speed comes from the hackzalls 7/8 blade stroke vs the dewalts 5/8 stroke. That’s a 1/4 inch more blade movement
I agree with you on the price changing. I just bought the Milwaukee with a 12.0 battery & rapid charger for $249 at Grainger.
Wouldn't the M18 HO battery be more equivalent to the 20V MAX?
The difference in prices?
The hackzall is my favorite tool of all time. I actually prefer the first model over the fuel version
You could to try change the saw?
What's the runtime on each?
I'm impressed, but I'm already on the 20V system. I'm pretty much the only mostly DeWalt electrician on the job site, though I am thinking about supplementing my gear with Milwaukee power tools in the future.
I kind of want both because I’m not always doing similar tasks.
Clearly the Milwaukee cuts faster but that is due to its longer blade stroke which should have been an obvious measurable for your test.
I think as far as purchasing I would stick with the platform I have over picking between the different features shown here.
While I am not heavily invested in DeWalt 20 volt Max tools I do only have one Milwaukee tool and that’s my corded 1/2” hammer drill.
Not to mention the Milwaukee is 33% heavier than the DeWalt.
Another feature on the Milwaukee is that it is water resistant and there is 2 little drain holes for water on the under side of the body which is good for if your cutting into water filled pipes which I don't think the dewalt has
The Milwakee cuts faster because the stroke is 1/8" longer and runs 200 more rpm. When I use this tool, it is because the full size recip saw won't fit. They are both much better than the M12 Hackzall, which I have 3 of those. Going to purchase the Dewalt based on size and features.
What model M12 do you have 3 of. Is it the M12 Fuel model or the older non-fuel model. The M12 Fuel is light years better then the older non fuel hackzall. I can see the dewalt being much better than the M12 non Fuel, but I doubt its much better than the M12 Fuel model. The M12 Fuel is 5/8 stroke length, the same as Dewalt, and its 3000 spm which is 200 more than the Dewalt.
@@Jay-sg2ww I have 2 of the older version and 1 M12 fuel. I got a chance to abuse the Dewalt yesterday on some 1/2" adjustment bolts under an older furnace. The Dewalt kicked ass with a 3ah battery. 6 bolts in great time and no loss of battery like the M12.
I wonder if the Milwaukee cuts faster because the motor looks bigger
i wonder if the extra weight of the Milwaukee helped it cut faster?
Dewalt 1/2" stroked length, Milwaukee 7/8" stroked length
I own and love the Milwaukee, but I am a bit jealous of how the DeWalt can hang on a joist with the way the pivoting guard is designed.
With you on that but I added an extension piece to it with rivets and now iit hangs just the same 😉
I had predicted M18 to win in terms of speed and power.
I'd actually like to see a comparison against the hacksaw M12 Fuel which might be a closer match.
Do you think M12 Fuel is better against Dewalt dcs369 18v?
@@jorjdimitrov5076 No. Dewalt would most likely come out on top
@@badger0888 Are you sure? I think m12 fuel is a little powerful from Dewalt 369..
Should have swapped the blades out between tests too. What’s the difference between stroke length and Rpms on the two? Also what about a stress test?
IMHO, there are very few situations with this kind of tool where ergonomics would take precedence over performance. Do I really need a reciprocating saw to be a sweetheart? I want to get to the end of the cut ASAP with the cleanest separation possible which is definitely velocity related.
Which do you have batteries for? I use DeWalt tools and have their batteries so will stick with them .
The M18 is 33% larger and heavier than the Atomic.
I understand it might be the closest comparison the brands offer… but it’s still sort of apples to oranges.
Would have been interesting if you used 6lbs of weight on the Atomic to compensate for the tool being a full pound lighter.
All the cutting tests were going to be skewed to the heavier tool from the beginning; but the tool is made to attempt to be as light and compact as possible.
I have both milwaukee and dewalt cordless tools and the Milwaukee tools are far superior.. the Milwaukee fuel hacksall is the best one handed sawsall I've ever used
Working outside in a Canadian winter, there is only Fuel. All other batteries are useless in the cold.
A little extra weight and faster cutting means you don't hold the tool as much, a clear advantage
When I started out there was no DeWalt brand. Everyone raved about Milwaukee power. When you are in a confined space you may not want the most powerful drill. I know we aren't talking about drills, but it was a Milwaukee 1/2" drill that taught me too much power can be worse than not enough. That said, I wish that someone would make a battery converter for Miluakee and Dewalt. I buy DeWalt because I'm invested in the batteries.
Great video, maybe one thought - you could exchange saw blades to make sure the blades out the new pack were equal. Just saying. GREAT VIDEO, thanks.
I wished we had a universal battery for all brand tools, I’ll pick and choose in between brands, once you are invested into a platform, it’s hard switching due to cost.
You missed the Fuel RedLINK Intelligence technology in the Milwaukee. Also, you missed the fact that there are plastic components in the DeWALT tool, whereas the Milwaukee one all metal components. Drives the price up, but it's longer lasting.
I work in the solar field and although my employers have decided to go with the Milwaukee line of tools there have been multiple instances where I was glad I went with the Dewalt line because without the compactness of the Atomic Reciprocating Saw we wouldn’t have been able to finish the job as hassle free as if I hadn’t been able to bring Dewalt to the table.
Technically m12 and atomic 12v are compact but good perspective!
I use it for cutting so I would go Milwaukee
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As an electrician I use milwaukee
You must be a Romex jockey. Residential LOL
Do one on the 12v recip saws....
My steak knife at home is also cheaper, lighter, and has less vibration. According to your scoring system it is just as good?