I'm a state police officer higher than the patrol unit and In SD from what I know and I'm an officer of the law you can ride them on the boardwalk but you cannot be going too fast for the risk of injury. That lady lied and there is no city council stuff. However, one fact is it's prohibited to ride on the beach as it's a major hazard plus it can blow sand. But this isn't enforced ethier. Also, i wouldn't ride them on sand ethier because its close to water . NGL i use my onewheel xr all the time on work and patrol area its fun af. especially when I'm off duty. lmao its actually prohibited to enforce fake laws so she is actually doing smth wrong
id wish but sadly I moved to Canada in Ontario. I was judging this from the law of 2019 when I was there I left almost 8 months ago. but my son loves ur vid
@Sample Rate oh here we go. Not everything of opposition is profiling like everyone tries to reach for. It’s just because she was being a nazi about pev’s.
I am a SD native. That lady straight lied to you. You can ride them on the boardwalk. The only regulation is on the speed that you can ride on the boardwalk. Keep doing what you are doing. Love the channel.
Yup, I ride my eboard at mission beach and downtown SD a lot and cops don't hassle me. But those stupid scooters are everywhere and sometimes make riding around downtown because of them.
Thanks for point this out man. Cops say what ever because people usually don't question their authority. Which probably gives them a false sense of correctiveness in their thought process.
Yep, and it doesn't matter if it's motorized or not. Skateboarding, rollerblading, and even cycling are frowned upon in many places because of the RIDER. I even see pedestrians do stupid shit. Many of these activities don't coexist well. For instance, I'll be out on a run--I'm not a fast runner either--and when I approach someone from behind I announce, "On your left!" What do you know? The pedestrian I'm passing will j-hook to their left! WTF? I've long stopped announcing anything and just give people a wide berth. I cycle like a motorist will want to kill me at any time. Same on a motorcycle. I've been in 6 motor vehicle collisions in the last 10 years. Not only were I not at fault, but not a one could I have avoided. Just minding my own business and someone wants to take me out.
It’s almost like letting Anybody buy/rent Any dangerous piece of equipment to use Anywhere, any how they want to use it? Is apparently a bad idea. Who knew?🤔 Still, I look forward to being my own dolly👍🏼
I see ur point but when you rent the scooter most of the time the people have little to no skill or practice on it making it dangerous for all. While if you own the device, you will take better take care of it and use it better than the renter.
Cyclists go faster than me sometimes when I'm on the trails. Yet, because they're non-motorized they can ride the trails. It's unfair. Also, more places are starting to ban electric vehicles in California such as in Venice Beach, in Los Angeles, along the beach trail.
I think rentals should be banned or heavily regulated and helmets, shoes and reflective/high vis gear mandatory on all motorised and non-motorised land vehicles. Like on a motorbike you need to have them, even if it is some 50cc scooter that does not go that much faster than a high end scooter does. Rentals should also be speed limited to much lower speeds then they currently can do. Kids on limes are a problem pretty much everywhere, I can't onewheel or scoot in a large sections of Prague eversince Segway rentals took over here and became a tourist trap. Rental scooters everywhere only made the matter worse. I also kinda hate the rental "hop on hop off" cars. They park like idiots all the time, ding the cars around them... they don't care since the car is not theirs but I kinda do care about my golf R...
Really more laws? You want government to info range even more on our freedom. I wear safety gear because I know it protects me and allows me to continue on riding even after a crash. That's my choice but for you to make my government tell me I have to think like them and comply is moronic. Shame on you let people get hurt if they want to and if they hurt you either be more aware or get a good lawyer and figure that out Ina free (or fee) market.
@@quantumtechcrypto7080 It’s not that simple. The costs associated with certain things like health and injury are actually passed on to other people as well. What’s needed is critical thinking and thorough analysis. It’s never black and white, and yelling about “government intrusion” as a catch all is just as silly as over-regulation.
For about as long as I've owned a Onewheel, I've imagined that PEVs would go through the same things as drones. It's a matter of when vs if unfortunately. All we can do and hope for is an impact and result that will be satisfactory for both sides. Laws started with the boosted boards, and things have been escalating sinse. This is a benefit of living in middle of nowhere. Never been to a big city with these rental scooters. I've read about the issues that have come with them. The idea of dockless public scooters immediately sounded ridiculous to me. So first off for ideas & solutions is to: 1. Ban Dockless rentals. A usage fee that is refunded on return to the dock to help encourage returns or other reward (return) or penalties (no return) 2. PEV license of some sort required for street use. If helmets were required, shouldn't that then also cover motorcyclists too? Don't see that happening, so that's why license of some sort may be better route. (further details on classes and form of identification is a deeper almost separate topic) 3. Bike lanes (and trails) should be open to all personal vehicles, electric and not (bellow a certain weight or class so as to not allow motorcycles). Some cities don't allow PEV on bike lanes, this seems really silly to me. 4. PLV (Personal Light-Weight Vehicle) lanes should be added into all new road construction and added to old existing roads where possible to accommodate this new growing trend.
I love the ban of dockless scooters. here in edmonton they are trialing escooters. I went for a rip through the river valley this weekend and passed like, 10 or 15 dead ones just chillin on the road sides and trails.
agreed. Helmets, clothing with reflective patch of certain size or high vis vest and rear/front lights should absolutely be mandatory on everything that can go over 8mph with or without the help of motor IMO. Cyclists keep thinking up silly laws in Europe like 150cm gap between car and a bike (which is just not doable in most places - we have roads here that were designed back when horse carriages were the only thing that was "powered" so fairly often you'll see narrow windy roads that barely fit two cars) but they never go for mandatory helmets for adults on bikes (where I live only kids/18- need to wear them). But you need to wear a helmet on a 50cc scooter. No matter that some ebikes or scooters can go just as fast...
@@MichaelCena08 I refuse to own a car. So if I have to figure it out, so would drivers. Sick of bans for alternative transport for injury reasons when drivers frequently kill and injure themselves and others.
Jack McAllan it’s about the effect after banning. these scooters are 100% for leisure fun. Meaning it doesn’t hurt the society if we ban them. Some people will just have less fun at the beach. That’s the worst it can happen. But cars are most commuting method people need them for work and business. If you ban cars then it’s a big problem for everyone. That’s the difference. in all, the city just came up with this temporary solution to void accidents for now I’m pretty sure government is working on more proper policies for these scooters.
@@wesleyjohnson6011 The problem is seeing it that way. They're a form of transportation to many people. I want to use these devices to get to work instead of transit or a car. I'm a young guy with a bad hip. It's less painful for me to get around using these as sitting for long periods of time hurts. I have a specialized chair at work that leans right back, but I can't do that on transit or in a car. Yet they're illegal outright where I live which is insane. It directly affects my life every single day, and makes people relient on inefficient, large, bad for the environment vehicles, and that affects everyone.
Or instead of banning these things, just have common sense laws and regulations. If you're riding like a jackass and a nuisance, you should be ticketed. If you're responsible and not harming anyone, there should not be a problem.
Awesome video. I haven't really thought about this, but this video is a great thought provoking catalyst for discussion. I think a good place to start would be fair classification of devices, or ownership vs. rental, safety gear requirements etc. Not sure how any of it would be enforced without impacting our experience negatively. It's complicated!
Cities where rental scooters have yet to infiltrate are pretty chill about PEVs. It seems as soon as they invade a city, the inhabitants get upset and signs banning all devices start going up.
I do agree, but I also have the overwhelming thought come to mind: it’s because of all the morons that we have to have all these ridiculous regulations in the first place because people don’t have common sense to be safe or respectful. I’ve noticed some places have bike lanes at parks or beaches. I wish people would just treat it like a bike. There’s really no difference. Then ban rentals of all kinds and that will solve a huge portion of incidents.
Bro!! This whole time I have been thinking your neighborhood looks so familiar and then when you told the security your from Denver I was like no way! I’m from Denver too but I haven’t lived there in almost 8 years since I joined the Army. I’m about to get my first onewheel soon and I have learned so much from your channel! Thanks for doing what you do! Keep riding!
Great video Jimmy, and that lady life guard was cool. I was just down in San Diego and was amazed at the amount of rentals whether it be scooters, bikes, and everything in between. My local city just banned the birds. But I feel like these rental companies have bad practices. No pride of ownership on the battery changing people or they would tighten bolts and make sure they are safe to ride. I'd like to see these still for rent but out of local skate and bike shops. Then you have accountability of ownership. Thanks for sharing hope we dont become outlaws over this 🤙
The scooters are poorly designed (small wheels) and sometimes loose bolts. They are dangerous for people to ride. I dont agree with banning them let people have the freedom to ride. There needs to be some regulation of who is riding one like if your over 18 and not drunk. I on the other hand will never ride a scooter I would rather ride my e-bike.
@@dougwebb917 your right about the scooters needing a better design, I'm thinking of building DIY electric scooter, based off the old 80 's bmx style scooters. Just with an electric motor
Please give this a read. At the end of the day its all about safety and safety can be an expensive cost. The reason we have roads and speed limits is because cars are capable of going speeds that can injure people therefore they need an area that only they can use. In New Zealand (Idk about other countries) We have 'cycle/bike lanes' which is essentially a path that bikers and skateboarders are allowed to use in order to reduce the risk of hitting someone on the footpath. We also have specific beaches and certain times that your allowed to take cars, bikes or boards onto the beach. Personally I love riding my electric board but when you ride something that has a potential speed of 30kph it's obvious that you shouldn't be riding in a heavily populated area where people walk. You wouldn't ride a motorcycle on a pedestrian walkway, I don't care if people say its not a motor, the ONLY difference is that ones loud and ones quiet if anything its more dangerous. If it's capable of speeds faster then a humans reaction then it shouldn't be riding on the same path. Imagine how bad you'd feel if you were riding along and an elderly person suddenly appeared in front of you, you can wear as much safety gear as you want but someone's gonna get hurt either way. At the end of the day its not about banning things its a simple time and place.
PhatDog29 when you ride this around people, you read people’s movements and body language while expecting them to jump in front of you or from out a blind corner. Not everyone is smart enough to drive this defensively.
I doesn’t even sound like you onewheel. Have you ever opened it up to 30mph on a SIDEWALK?! The answer is NO. There’s a big difference between a boardwalk and a sidewalk... If I see a jackass onewheeling one the sidewalk over about 6mph, fuck I’ll push him off of that shit, myself...! It’s called respect and common courtesy. And you’re stupid for comparing this to a motorcycle, this is a 1000times more nimble and agile than your stupid bike. (Plus motorcyclists are known to be the biggest D-bags)
@@googleuser-ly2ek Wow 3 replies from the same person haha. Umm yeah I fully agree with what you say when I was writing my comment, and when you have experience from riding your onewheel you do start getting used to thinking defensively. I've had my Evolve gtx for nearly a year now and you do get more mindful of others around you BUT WHAT I MEANT in that comment was what about the people who have never been on an electric device like those electric scooters and suddenly start riding them in public areas, THEY don't have the 'defensive' mindset that you have. And for sure I fully agree with you, if you see someone going 6mph on the sidewalk push him off! They need to either slow down or ride in another area like a bike line like I originally said :) And when I said 30kph if you read it again I said it has a 'potential' of reaching that speed. For example sure you can ride a scooter at a nice 5kph on a public walkway as long as your going slow and being mindful of other walkers but that scooter has the potential of going 30 and one wrong move you can very easily go from 5 to 30 straight into somebody which I honestly don't think someone who has no experience riding should be using in a public area.
@@spldrong people riding those rental e mopeds Reckless in NYC. That's why I say band them. The cops in NYC is not giving out fines that's not going to do nothing. I'm not saying band all ev. Just the e scooters and e moped that are renal.
I’ve been riding the boardwalk every now and then at mission beach. No issues so far. I find that if you go early like I do the lifeguards and cops don’t really care long as you ride responsible.
Not hating .. just thinking out loud. Love Jimmy Chang and all you do. We can be as safe as we want and someone is going to get injured or kill'ed. It doesn't matter what it is your doing. Sonny Bonno Hit a tree skiing. Outlaw ski's? No. People get hit by cars on the sidewalk all the time. Outlaw cars and walking ? No. It makes me sick. 2 people get injured and lets outlaw. What? They don't want you to have any freedom anymore. Pack your stuff guys because the free USA is not free anymore. I had my minibike guys come to the local fair today. we rode all day yesterday and today all through the streets. Today at 6.30 a cop stops me 20 minutes before its over and says "Whoa whoa. You cant ride this here. Your going to kill someone" I was doing like 2 mph. 2? what? We were in a racing event in the Capac days fair this year in Michigan. A guy had a mini bike that has a 600cc snowmobile engine on it. It is capable of 125 mph. Ran it down the same street. No issues? Why? the law doesn't care about you or your rites. Cops don't know the laws. Its a sad world we live in. Be as safe and respectable as possible and this is the only answer.
After reading through the comments I see a lot of negative reactions towards rental scooters, their riders, and the juicers and not nearly enough focus on the cause of all three: The scooter companies. They allow people to rent without helmets, they allow first time riders access to speeds they can't yet handle, they allow juicers to place the vehicles in illegal places and likely even encourage them to do so. The problem lies with the scooter companies and with jurisdictions that don't sufficiently regulate them. If there are technical reasons they can't make them safer then they shouldn't be allowed to roll out until those issues are solved. The main safety issues aren't really technical problems, they are political problems. We are not forcing these corporations to provide reasonable, verifiable, safety protocols (ie: helmet verification, riding tutorials that verify rider understands instructions with a quiz, reduced initial speeds, etc). Owners know what they are getting into so the best approach is going to be rental-specific PEV regulations that don't restrict owners from fully utilizing their vehicles within the confines of more generalized traffic/speed laws that apply to bicycles and other vehicles. We need less regulations on where and how we can ride PEVs and more regulation on what rental companies do and allow their riders to do. I think rentals should exist and if we are careful a safer future for pedestrians, riders, and commuters is possible. Even the chaotic and semi-dangerous rental scooter situation we have now is probably safer than the car miles those "reckless" renters may have otherwise used. Finding a way to get as many people on PEVs is still my preferred way forward.
i own a scooter as well but responsible with it. rentals to the general public... expect the worst, not really the scooter itself. edited to add: i wear a helmet, use lights at night and use caution. also, a state permit or license might help with some of the policy makers. seems like laws and irresponsible people are ruining outdoor tech for folks... drones as well as personal electronic mobility devices.
I think if the banned rentals and people owned the scooters (therefore cared about scooters) there would be less hazards. I think the economics of it attracts people that tend to have a poor regard for other people.
Great vid. I’ve seen people trying to double up on scooters downtown. I also just saw a bunch of tourists in Nuevo Vallarta on Lime scooters essentially playing on them and not using them for transportation. They were all either first time riders and/or inebriated. However, I understand some of the concepts behind these laws. It’s like how regular skateboards and rollerblades are often not allowed on some of these busy paths. It’s unsafe to combine such widely ranging speeds on one path - and its unpredictable whether you’ll have people that will all behave appropriately given the circumstances. Laws often need to be set for the lowest common denominator and it can be frustrating. Just my 2 cents. I could be way off base...
Jimmy, you were very polite and cordial (reflects on the rest of us ..so thank you!). I've run into the same issues as well....I try not to let it bother me (easier said than done sometimes). Keep up the great posts!
They're testing the scooters here in Chicago. And while I was a huge fan of them. I've also come to the realization that they're a big problem for us OneWheelers.
“Reasonable & rational” was an apt description of this interaction with a public official, & exactly what we need to promote among the e community in 2019. THANK YOU SO MUCH setting a GOOD EXAMPLE for other E-sport enthusiasts - who will inevitably find themselves in a similar situation at some point, unless we can gets the laws updated to reflect the new paradigm being brought on by these fantastic electric mobility devices that are starting to become more widely accessible to the general public. Anyways, nice job outta you here Jimmy! Keep up the good fight ✊
Jimmy great video this is Curtis here I live in Thornton Colorado I have an electric bike and for electric boards and electric scooter I obey all the laws appear have all my gear on I write down the sidewalk when there's no bike line rate in the bike lane and obey all traffic laws. We don't want any more negativity towards our transportation or just a way of haveng fun.
Maybe rental companies can limit the speed to first time riders, the application tracks your rides so its possible. Also more bike lanes for these devices makes sense but that will take a long time to implement. Unfortunately the convenience of these devices will be limited because of a few bad apples. These devices all have GPS tracking, they should use that to limit how fast you are able to go in congested areas.
One way that could really help is if they issued out licenses (it still kinda sucks) like how Canada issues boat licenses. The way it is done; is by taking a short online course, that covers safety, common knowledge, and courtesy rules that everyone must abide by. Similarly, rules like this could be implied so that way people MUST have at least some knowledge on how to ride/operate PEV's.
@@Lain.Iwakura Canada actually just enacted laws where you must also have a license for any drone weighing 250g upto 25kg. It came into effect June 1, and it's similar to having a boat license. You must pass a short online course that goes over Canada's airspace laws, and you have to get the drone registered (It's very inexpensive, 5 Canadian rupees); which means that people will have at the very least, have basic knowledge of how and where to fly a drone. You must also be 14 in order to accuire this license. As for the states, that's something the government, or individual states would have to look into.
@@nickzona2491 That's awesome to hear! I just checked it out and it's $10 for the exam(Basic or Advanced) and $5 to register an aircraft. I've just registered my machines, thanks!
@@Lain.Iwakura Do you live in Canada? If so, that's awesome! But yes, they've made it so there's at least some sort of gate to be able to fly which helps weed out the irresponsible flyers.
@@nickzona2491 Yeah and I totally get it now that I see how Canadian laws are progressing in recreation activities, we really do need licenses for anything that can be operated and generate considerable destruction or injury to those around them without proper guidance and regulations regarding safe usage. I just hope this won't become too restricting as municipalities start to add their own regulations on top of federal laws.
Same thing happened to me in Ocean City Md but what’s worse is they said I can’t even take it on the street as skateboards are band from the street. I live in MD and that’s not the case in the county I’m from. It’s weird how every city has their own laws, it makes it super confusing.
Great video Jimmy. I'm pretty new to your channel. I discovered you when i started to looking into the OneWheel about 2 weeks ago. I'm from Stockholm, Sweden. And we've seen a boom in the number of electric rental scooters this last year. Too the point where they are a growing problem in the city. The largest issue over here is that they are beeing dumped all over the place often in crowded places. They have already been restricted in certain areas of the city to prevent people dumping them in parks and tourist areas. There is currently no clear law over here on how or where they can be riden. But that is a hot topic atm. I just hope that this won't result in a general ban, but maybe tougher rules towards the rental scooters. Otherwise i fear my newfound dream of getting a onwwheel will be very shortlived.
I just had a head on collision with a cyclist riding my onewheel home from work. It was dark and we both didn't see each other. Luckily we both had helmets because we bashed heads HARD. The next cyclist I saw had no light and no helmet so it was a good thing it wasn't him coming round the corner.
matt bell Did you have your lights on? To me this is why the street is a better option. At night, especially. I use a very bright flashlight to shine on any suspicious bumps. Most cyclists are idiots. At least when they’re riding..
As much as I'd like to think there is, there is no perfect solution. Even in a group of people who will use there devices responsibly there are going to be people who don't. You can enact laws that everyone can agree to and still someone will want to do their own thing because they don't want to be regulated. So enforcement becomes the only remaining option, clamp down on the people doing it wrong and make examples, which would make sens for people who own their devices but cops can't catch every rental so it causes issues when the one they miss causes an accident. Honestly I don't understand why they even let the Recharger people drop them off there if they aren't allowed on the beach. One of the rangers could just pick them up and drop them a block away, but because they're dockless someone will see it as littering, and vandalize them because they're generally pissed about them and/or fling them into a ally which creates even more clutter and littering, causeing the cycle to spread. It's really saddening to think about it.
Having respect for the city official resulted in getting some good information on how San Diego ended up with the laws they have. Now we just need more people to join you in calling for the same level of respect towards PEV owners (and even renters) and an honest look at how best to keep riders and pedestrians safe, instead of reactionary policies like the ones in San Diego. Great video.
In SLC the scooters say to not ride on the sidewalk and to use the bike lanes on the street. I’ve never seen anyone ride on the street. They are always on the sidewalk. I ride my XR all over and it on the road and bike lane. If they allow a bike on a boardwalk or path then we should be able to ride there as well. We should be courteous to those around us an be treated just like a bike rider. Obey the same rules. On the street I use hand signals when I’m in traffic.
Hi @Jimmy Chang We had the same problem here in France. Now, the law as integrated us in the Road Code. We have a mandatory insurance, the Speed is limited at 25Km/h for public riding but we must stay under 6Km/h on sidewalks. Safety gear is not mandatory but strongly advised.
I've never owned or been on a electric unicycle but after watching all those TH-cam videos on EUCs I am highly interested and ready to buy one, I've already contacted E-Wheels and I know what I want! but the current laws has thrown up a huge red flag for me. I haven't research the laws in-depth but If it's harder to change an existing law than to modify it and sense an EUC can't be registered or insured as a street legal vehicle, could requiring a rider to purchase a "EUC permit", similar to a fishing or hunting permit/license be at option?? I'm just throwing it out there because I haven't heard any options given..... hunters have rules to follow and if they break them they can be fined or have their permit/license suspended. we get to ride & the politicians get some revenue..... Oh, thanks for the video. You handle yourself real well with the officers. You didn't give attitude dipped in stank but you were able to have a respectful informative Discussion.
Set a law and give ticket to anyone violate the law but do not ban any of them. Just start forcing the law to use all the protection gear and be responsible rider.
I am a sixty year old newb to the float life and your videos always resonate with me. La Jolla is my home turf and I just logged about twenty miles on a used Pint commuting to work. Riding on the beach at low tide is on my training list, and it is so funny to see May Gray and June Gloom in your beach cruise. I can imagine the drunks and fools at Pacific and Mission Beach but La Jolla is mellower and family friendly, I'm gonna ride there soon, illegal or not ! EDIT: just rode the beach for the first time at La Jolla shores from the pier to the Marine Street stairs at low tide near sunset. If it's still illegal it is not strictly enforced.
I like gg e’s answer.... the problem is the rider not the device.... it’s also the answer for gun control. But seriously... drones are banned, electric mobility devices are banned why oh why? I know that’s the question and I don’t have a real answer. If we ask the government to step in they will put too many controls on them like drones. Why not just ticket or punish the behaviour? Because that too is subjective. Why doesn’t the manufacturers step in and lobby with us? Wouldn’t that help their bottom line? Because if these devices become banned, who will buy them? My issue is I want to use my devices, my drone and Onewheel, but I need practice before I hit the trails and if I am on my quiet street practicing I could be ticketed! So I am back to the gun control law, we shouldn’t ban the device, we should penalize the behavior!
It's really stupid imo. The gov't takes things out of perspective so often it's not even funny. Drones haven't killed a single person yet there are a hundreds of laws against them. This electric scooter has killed 28 people so far since it's launch and they're banned. How many deaths are there from car accidents?? 1.35 million a year and so then why are cars not all banned? Nothing against cars, I drive for a living and love it. But the numbers make no sense.
I went to a camping ground recently where I was expecting to use my OneWheel and found out motorized hoverboards / scooters were not allowed. The reason for them was because it effects their insurance coverage because people using such devices get hurt on their property. This is not in an area where there are rental motorized personal transport. It is even self-owned equipment that through incidents have caused places that welcome bicycles to put up signs to disallow use of motorized personal vehicles.
I've owned my own e-scooter for the past two years and always ride with a helmet with no incident. Now, rental e-scooters are introduced to parts of Chicago and there are great trails now that are banned, where they were never banned before the rentals arrived
Sorry to hear that. I drive a scooter in Salt Lake City, and an EUC in San Diego. SLC has the best bike infrastructure. SD, not so much. If they ban me from using SLC bike trails, I will blow a gasket.
@@mikecast7340 Below is what I'm talking about. Also, I just bought my 2nd e-scooter(Zero 8) two months ago so I'm pissed: blockclubchicago.org/2019/06/20/no-you-cannot-ride-an-e-scooter-on-the-606-but-people-are-doing-it-anyway/
When you fly on commercial plane where are you putting your one wheel? As a carry on or under the plane? Are you also having to remove the battery from the board?
Its just people who like to cry about everything ride it on the road then , Me and my friends had to do that with just regular skateboards because the cops said we couldnt skate on the sidewalks because we destory them LMFAO
In my city of Spokane we have Hoopfest this weekend and the city has an agreement with the rental companies to have their scooter shut down in a GPS area the event is going on to keep them away from the heavy foot traffic and games. I think if this option works it could be a great way for cities to regulate use areas they don’t want the rentals.
If that's the case, then San Diego could ask the scooter companies to geofence any areas they don't want the scooters operating in. As soon as they cross into that zone, they become disabled, and you have to walk it out of the zone to re-enable them.
Some people suck. But they shouldn’t ruin it for the people who don’t suck. Don’t ban anything. Just let people hurt themselves. It’s their destiny to do so anyways.
@@prewittj1 There's a pilot program allow EVs on some park trails, but the public is pretty hostile from their experience with idiots on scooters. A drunk college student died a few months back riding a scooter the wrong way on one of the freeway service roads also.
Jeremy Dumoit dang man, I lived in Austin and that kinda ruins it for me. Good thing I moved to Buda and they seem to be pretty relaxed about stuff like this.
I don’t live in a super metropolitan area. I’ve seen maybe one or two people riding an electric skateboards. So when I went out to use my rental Pint I immediately got called out for it. I checked the local laws before riding. The only places I wasn’t allowed to ride were on private property (duh), on very specific city streets and on the local beach boardwalk (where ONLY pedestrians are allowed, no dogs, bikes or skateboards). I was just riding around my neighborhood on the street, bc where the hell else am I supposed to go? A car stopped me and the woman driving told me to get out of the way of the cars and get on the sidewalk. I tried to explain why that wasn’t a possibility, given how bikes and skateboards aren’t supposed to be on sidewalks and what I had could go as fast as 15 mph. She didn’t have a response for that so she just swore at me, said she would call the police and drove off. No police ever showed up and I just went about my ride now in a bad mood because of this “Karen”. I think more people need to be educated about electric boards and scooters. It always surprises me how little people know about them. That they can go as fast as they can, how many there are, and how dangerous they can be if not regulated. In this new COVID world, fewer people are using buses, not everyone owns a car and a lot of us, myself included, are working from home. I’ve seen big spikes in sales of electric vehicles. I’ve been shopping for a use Onewheel for some time and 90% of the listing I see say they bought this because of COVID and simply decided it wasn’t for them. EVs are going to become more common and the laws need to catch up with the times. Drivers don’t own the road but few drivers seem to understand that. Even when I see bicyclists, cars will frequently act as if they aren’t there, speed past or just be obnoxious. It’s an awful mentality to have especially if god forbid you get into an accident with someone.
Make a petition on change.org make it so rental scooters need to take a picture with a helmet on the rider and make them sign a form that says if they crash it was there responsibility for if they crash
Hey Jimmy! Yeah, I took my OneWheel to one of my favorite beaches lately and kept on guard, riding slowly and safely around pedestrians and actively greeting park rangers on patrol. They didn't have restrictive laws there because rental scooters weren't really available there. Not a coincidence I think. My thoughts: Steer most discussion of solutions into banning and severely restricting the scooter rental companies. Make them accountable and maybe they'll be more responsible. The rise of these accidents is due to the rise of the accessibility of these scooters. And you are right...any PEV owner treats their vehicle with respect and learns how to ride it safely and properly because they are liable for their own device. We also want to make sure lawmakers don't go overboard and require us, like with cars, to have to register and have insurance. That would be a disaster and one of the things that would make me hang my OneWheel up for good.
Banning those rental scooters would be the best for us but I admit, they are pretty handy to get from point A to point B when in a bind. I'd be lying if I said I've never used one.
Exactly. I went to the park today and wanted to practice riding “off-road” in the dry dirt walkways around the ballfields and in the grassy areas around the outfield. I took the time to ask the custodian if it was okay and he said yes, as long as I wasn’t on the playing field (then he asked about the Onewheel...turns out he was a snowboarder and I let him try my onewheel and didn’t falter even once on his first trial ride!!). So, I got permission and did a little Onewheel PR!
Can't afford a one wheel, but I am a roller skater who commutes to work. I think part of the solution is definitely the responsible vs irresponsible rental and skating and education. We need to make people see that these devices are not only for entertainment, they are environmentally friendly alternative means of transport. They reduce traffic, carbon emissions and instill a greater sense of spatial awareness in people which is proven to reduce pedestrian collisions. I live in Hong Kong, when we go skating on the promenades we often have to dodge kids being reckless on scooters and joggers staring at their phones. Yet the security guards yell at us for being unsafe. What you did with that guard was really good. I'd like to think that the next time she's talking to someone about this, she'll mention that you were responsible and well reasoned. Luckily, here in HK they can't make you take you skates off and go barefoot so we're always allowed to skate through.
I think we need to show statistics. Show the difference between the dangers of the rental scooters, how many people are riding and how many accidents there are. And also if any were preventable via saftey gear or experience or whatever. And then compare it to stats from people with bought vehicles. I feel like, even with our accidents, the rentals are far more extreme. Our vehicles last us a long long time. There's do not. There's almost no loss on their end to just toss their scooter in a river after using it. The service isn't set up like even the most basic bike rental service. Somehow we've managed to make a system worse than a manual bike rental shop. We need to make a case that PEVs and rentals are different worlds and need to be judged and treated differently
I‘m from Germany, riding my OneWhell allmost every day in downtown of Hamburg. Since a month we have a new law here. Electric Scooters are now allowed to drive on bicing ways. Electric skateboards are forbidden. But it‘s here like with the normal skateboard- it is forbidden to ride it on boardwalks, but nobody cares. Well, sometimes the police sees me rolling, but i slow down and they don‘t say nothing. So, my only change is, like with the skateboard, to drive carefully and respectful. I want to roll, so i roll. Love your videos! Keep up the good work. U are the reason i bought my OneWheel. I saw all of your tuts and they helped me a lot. Excuse my english dude. Kind regards from Germany
• Ban electric vehicules from sidewalks. • Build more "bicycle" lanes. • Build more dedicated parking lots for rented vehicules. • Restrain power on rented electric vehicules to a non-motorised level. • Tax rented vehicules companies and use the money to build dedicated infrastructure or repair structures shared with other vehicules. • Force companies to hire "juicers" and to employ people with appropriate contracts. • Force companies to recycle damaged rented vehicules. • Help insurance companies to adapt their contracts. • Fine people breaking the laws.
Personal Electronic Transportation Device - don't call it a vehicle. Most of the laws (at least here in IN) have some fine print that states "2 wheels parallel of eachother" - the law was written for Segways initially but the OW has a little bit of a loophole here! Really enjoy your videos Jimmy! I'll be out in CO at the end of august! but sadly cant bring my XR on the plane. :( Happy Floating my dude! Keep the videos comin!
I’m a little late to this conversation but there is a specific exemption in the California Vehicle Code (section 313.5) for electric skateboards. It specifically says an electric skateboard IS NOT a motorized vehicle. A OneWheel qualifies as a skateboard (based on the description in the code). This means you can ride on bike paths even if they prohibit motorized vehicles UNLESS a city municipal code “specifically” bans electric skateboards and even then, there has to be signs posted that advise you of the ban. Just because they ban scooters doesn’t mean the ban includes e-skateboards. Most cops and park rangers don’t realize this, they just assume the scooter ban automatically applies to e-skateboards. I would recommend that if you are stopped that you politely ask them to review CVC 313.5.
One thing that is very important in taking on these city ordinances is to make sure that you personally are NOT a scooter/euc/onewheel douc**. Obey all traffic laws, use the bike lanes, stay off the sidewalk, park in a bike rack (ada requirement), and most importantly, wear safety gear to the point that its ridicules. Who cares what you look like. Cops love to see the safety gear and saving yourself from an emergency room vist is not a bad thing. My helment, wrist guards and elbow pads have saved me. And I look good in a green construction vest. Also, take note how Jimmy Chang handled the lifeguard in Mission Beach. Niceness goes a long way. Cops will remember that stuff when they talk about this subject in their meetings.
@@freshlycharged This. We are the early adopters of new things. We will shape the public's opinion of these new vehicles well into the future. We need to be on our best behavior. When I'm out riding (KS14D) just for fun, and people are watching me, I might pick up trash from the grass and bring it to the trash can. Good mound/dis-mount practice for me, and good public relations.
@@freshlycharged This. We are the early adopters of new things. We will shape the public's opinion of these new vehicles well into the future. We need to be on our best behavior. When I'm out riding (KS14D) just for fun, and people are watching me, I might pick up trash from the grass and bring it to the trash can. Good mount/dis-mount practice for me, and good public relations.
I'm interested to understand how AB604 does not apply here, you are within all the legal expectations provided in this newer law pertaining to electric vehicles that was put in place in CA a couple years back for this very reason. According to this state law your doing nothing wrong, so not sure why its different here?
Looks like CVC 21113 provides local agency and city's to override this CA law... I don't understand why we have Federal, state, city laws that all contradict each other its getting to be quite ridiculous..
@@californiamotherlodeprospect what I got from it was that they have a state law, but a city law can be written to take its place in cases specific to that area. So something drastic had to happen that their city council immediately moved to ban them there locally.
Jesus Christ!!! What's next?? Can't drive a car on the street anymore because too many pedestrians are getting hit. (Which we know will never come to pass. Too much is invested in automobiles and is pretty much solidified) love how you dropped some serious knowledge to her.
I just arrived last night here in the US from Portugal and Spain. The rental scooters like Lime and Uber bike rentals are big there. They were all parked nicely. I tried to travel light and didn't bring my helmet with me because I did not know what to expect. With my experience with electric skateboard, thank God I was safe. Lime does discourage people riding their scooters at the sidewalks, but it's not against the law. I've seen a couple EUCs in both countries and I wish I had it with me there.
It was never a problem when it was just a Segway. Two fold problem. One, is not the device but the irresponsibility and lack of respect of the people that use them. Laws are not being written because of a concern for safety and injuries either, that's BS. Companies that make these things better to take some of those profits and do some lobbying like everybody else. I mean you can walk down the street with a freaking assault rifle but go to jail for riding your onewheel. The sad reality is that this is how things work in Corporate America.
limiting the speed on rental vehicles sounds like the best option to me - minimizes the safety risk from inexperienced operators while still promoting clean, quiet urban transportation.
Great Video... I still to learning about this issue. My previous assumption was electric scooters is the gateway for PEVs being more widely accepted and having industry bankroll to create a PEV culture. All the other parts of the PEV industry (EUC, OneWheel, Skateboards, etc) are not coherent enough or big enough to affect politically. Didn't realized it is causing more of a problem.
It's nice to see the old stomping grounds. I think you made a very valid point that one wheel owners are much more responsible than scooter renters in so many regards; as such, shouldn't be held to the same standard.
Ur comments r spot on and it’s sad how the laws have lumped all electric vehicles together. I visited my sister in San Diego probably 4 years ago and road the lime scooters around and it was a great way to travel and see the city. But we were also respectful and careful unlike a lot of other people we saw riding them disrespectfully & who apparently have ruined the potential of these forms of transport in the past few years.
When I was in Paris the e scooters were a freaking life saver. Scooter companies simply need to have harsher fines for improper use. Helmet check, etc. If they break the rule, they get large fines charged to their card. And I think those articles about the death related injury were pumped out to make it seem more dangerous. Cars kill people everyday, theres no nan on cars. I wonder how they get away with banning e scooters. It's the thing. Its the dumbass riders that have no respect. Punish them.
Smart helmets would be a cool option. Have them dock to the scooter and when someone wants to ride - it has to detect their head before activating the scooter.
Rentals should be licensed pay for annually, and if fined or miss used the licence revoked. Personal transportation most of us riding safe, with helmets and gear plus we paid alot of money for these devices so are more likely to ride safe as don't want to trash it.
Delirium mode. Safety gear: oneradwheel.com/onewheel-safety-gear-recommendations/ My favorite short finger gloves if I'm just going to cruise casually: flatland3d.com/?wpam_id=13
Just got my Onewheel last week. Have you had any issues in Denver? I'm near Fort Collins and have seen a lot of onewheels but I definitely wanted to ride in Denver sometime.
I’ve been stopped three times. Once on the beach by a lifeguard declaring the Onewheel an “unauthorized motor vehicle.” After informing her that this was hardly a motor vehicle and the law clearly wasn’t in place for this type of platform, an electric bike passes without her batting an eye. So I just continued my ride on the beach. It was awesome! I was confronted by the police later who just were curious what I was riding. No mention to the legality of me on the beach. BTW, this was Hilton Head Beach in SC.
Great video Jimmy. I want to know though if your OW is badgered or is it safe to ride a stock OW on the beach/sand as long as it’s away from the water. How did you clean yours?
I own my own electric scooter and I live in Cincinnati Ohio, and basically since bird and lime have created the problem, I think they should be integrated into the solution. It may add a couple seconds to a commute, but basically ban all untrained riders on rentals and have some proof of ownership on a personal vehicle. A “trained rider” would have to be someone who has gone through a bird or lime sponsored seminar or online class that would teach them proper etiquette, technique, and regulations, and once completed, they could be given a code to link to their account on their respective app that would “license” them to use the scooter.
I agree. Many times if someone asks an honest question, they immediately think it's an attempt to argue with them and they get defensive/dismissive or aggressive/rude.
Wow...thanks for the knowledge. I say that because I was going to go to Mission Beach in San Diego and ride on the boardwalk once my Onewheel is delivered. Ugh.... this sucks. Also I just check and a guy died on a scooter after a crash with another scooter. Both had no helmet but guy (47y/o) complained of pain around chest... died at hospital. That's nuts
The rental agencies may want to have people return the vehicles to the rental place (or a designated drop off place). That would cut down on people just grabbing them up and riding irresponsibly. How is there any accountability for the person who rented it, anyway? What proof do they have that the vehicle has been returned? I guess these devices don't have keys to operate them. Maybe they should (have keys) so that they have to be unlocked before riding, with a hefty fee for not returning them (both keys and device/vehicle). Then they wouldn't be left in random areas. The Citi bikes in NYC have to be returned to one of their stations. They don't have to be delivered to the location where they were initially picked up, but they are not just dropped off anywhere.
@@freshlycharged I hear you, but it's a smaller loss of benefits than banning all electric vehicles. There are many Citi bike docking stations around the city. Riders use the app to find where they are. I guess it wouldn't be cost effective to implement this for the other vehicles/devices.
I think you handled that really well. I live in Washington and havent had one problem yet. The cops out here dont seem to care. Granted there aren't very many one wheel riders over here and I wear full gear and I'm not reckless. So far there are no laws in Washington prohibiting the use of my one wheel..🤞🏾
I’d be open to a licensing system. Have to complete a practical course that proves you can handle your device in amongst pedestrians, sidewalks and roadways.
licensing is not a solution as the reason to use these are to cut costs as we are NOT cars or motorcycles. Imposing a speed limit sounds more reasonable, rather than giving local gov green light to rob you with licensing fees.
I believe UC Santa Barbara has banned the rental scooters from campus, but the verbage does not include personally owned electric vehicles. Seems to be a good model...
Yep, I have been waiting for something like this to come up. These electric scooters are nice, but renting them to anyone, anywhere - will lead to problems. And - it will be easier to disallow all electric vehicles compared to making special rules for different kinds. I really hope there will be som reasonable solution to this, as these devices are excellent for getting around - less noice, less polluting (perhaps not globally), and very fun. I dont know what to do if I am not allowed to ride my EUC.
Same blanket ban in Santa Monica.. The regulation really sucks.. Still ride there at night when less likely to have cops monitoring or otherwise Venice boardwalk is still open and long may it stay that way..
SPOT ON about untrained renters. NYC is considering legalizing e-scooters, bikes, EUC's, etc. But NOT legalizing the rentals. Smart and more nuanced approach. Fingers crossed that passes. Safe, law abiding riders are our best ambassadors to the pedestrian public. Thank you for posting,.
It's not the device that kills it's the fool on the device. Like a car, motorcycle or anything that creates some form of motion, we must use some sense and proceed with care. Nothing wrong with scooters, e-bikes, e-boards. I just picked up my first one wheel used of course and now on day 3 riding. Keep up the great reviews and commentary. I am looking forward to a beach ride in the home of the Onewheel.
Ridiculous to ban these new forms of technology that have the potential to transform the way we live.. Just because some idiot gets injured using something doesn't mean we should take it away from the rest of us.. There needs to be reform in the laws, they need to consider new ways to allow responsible adults to ride their devices safely without so many restrictions.. One way would be to restrict the use of these vehicles while under the influence. We don't needs drunks riding these things around public ways..
The issue is the US doesn't have cycling infrastructure, so you have two options, ride in mixed vehicle traffic or ride in mixed pedestrian traffic. Mix that with inexperience riders and it's always a recipe for disaster. The solution is to promote and demand better cycling infra, and not the poor excuse of a painted line that we have now, but legit segregated bike paths.
I used to own a Segway i2 long ago before PEVs were as popular, so my struggle has been a long one to gain acceptance within the law. In a way I think we should come together to do as you did here and explain our case. On the other hand, where we are under the radar, I worry that making noise may backfire. I’m not sure. I have an EUC in NYC and haven’t had any issues yet. For me it’s not the rentals but the wild group rides in the street...by owners.
I'm a state police officer higher than the patrol unit and In SD from what I know and I'm an officer of the law you can ride them on the boardwalk but you cannot be going too fast for the risk of injury. That lady lied and there is no city council stuff. However, one fact is it's prohibited to ride on the beach as it's a major hazard plus it can blow sand. But this isn't enforced ethier. Also, i wouldn't ride them on sand ethier because its close to water . NGL i use my onewheel xr all the time on work and patrol area its fun af. especially when I'm off duty. lmao its actually prohibited to enforce fake laws so she is actually doing smth wrong
I’d make a trip down to SD just so I can ride with you on the board walk! 😃
id wish but sadly I moved to Canada in Ontario. I was judging this from the law of 2019 when I was there I left almost 8 months ago. but my son loves ur vid
this legend still replying 1 year later
@Sample Rate oh here we go. Not everything of opposition is profiling like everyone tries to reach for. It’s just because she was being a nazi about pev’s.
@@GMoney-B No they banned them for bit here
I am a SD native. That lady straight lied to you. You can ride them on the boardwalk. The only regulation is on the speed that you can ride on the boardwalk. Keep doing what you are doing. Love the channel.
Yup, I ride my eboard at mission beach and downtown SD a lot and cops don't hassle me. But those stupid scooters are everywhere and sometimes make riding around downtown because of them.
thats what ya get when you start listening to a LIFEGUARD like she is a LEO...lol. I woulda laughed and kept riding...
Thanks for point this out man. Cops say what ever because people usually don't question their authority. Which probably gives them a false sense of correctiveness in their thought process.
bruh she probably just hates them for no good reason.
@@Dusticron she's not a cop... So there's that...
The problem is the rider not the scooter
The rental scooters companies are setting up the people for failure.
Its law enforcment or regulation didnt controll behaviour untill people were out of controll
Yep, and it doesn't matter if it's motorized or not. Skateboarding, rollerblading, and even cycling are frowned upon in many places because of the RIDER. I even see pedestrians do stupid shit. Many of these activities don't coexist well. For instance, I'll be out on a run--I'm not a fast runner either--and when I approach someone from behind I announce, "On your left!" What do you know? The pedestrian I'm passing will j-hook to their left! WTF? I've long stopped announcing anything and just give people a wide berth. I cycle like a motorist will want to kill me at any time. Same on a motorcycle. I've been in 6 motor vehicle collisions in the last 10 years. Not only were I not at fault, but not a one could I have avoided. Just minding my own business and someone wants to take me out.
It’s almost like letting Anybody buy/rent Any dangerous piece of equipment to use Anywhere, any how they want to use it?
Is apparently a bad idea. Who knew?🤔
Still, I look forward to being my own dolly👍🏼
I see ur point but when you rent the scooter most of the time the people have little to no skill or practice on it making it dangerous for all. While if you own the device, you will take better take care of it and use it better than the renter.
This is very much like drones. Operators ruin it for others by being careless and just not gaining the correct abilities to operate devices safely.
Cyclists go faster than me sometimes when I'm on the trails. Yet, because they're non-motorized they can ride the trails. It's unfair. Also, more places are starting to ban electric vehicles in California such as in Venice Beach, in Los Angeles, along the beach trail.
My city has speed limits on all paved paths.... something like 15 mph? That's for everything including your feet.....
I think rentals should be banned or heavily regulated and helmets, shoes and reflective/high vis gear mandatory on all motorised and non-motorised land vehicles. Like on a motorbike you need to have them, even if it is some 50cc scooter that does not go that much faster than a high end scooter does. Rentals should also be speed limited to much lower speeds then they currently can do. Kids on limes are a problem pretty much everywhere, I can't onewheel or scoot in a large sections of Prague eversince Segway rentals took over here and became a tourist trap. Rental scooters everywhere only made the matter worse.
I also kinda hate the rental "hop on hop off" cars. They park like idiots all the time, ding the cars around them... they don't care since the car is not theirs but I kinda do care about my golf R...
Really more laws? You want government to info range even more on our freedom. I wear safety gear because I know it protects me and allows me to continue on riding even after a crash. That's my choice but for you to make my government tell me I have to think like them and comply is moronic. Shame on you let people get hurt if they want to and if they hurt you either be more aware or get a good lawyer and figure that out Ina free (or fee) market.
@@quantumtechcrypto7080 It’s not that simple. The costs associated with certain things like health and injury are actually passed on to other people as well.
What’s needed is critical thinking and thorough analysis. It’s never black and white, and yelling about “government intrusion” as a catch all is just as silly as over-regulation.
Dude you’re awesome. Great way to gain information while educating her. Thumbs up bro.
Well if something creates a bunch of injuries and drama at your work place how would you feel?
...are you really this dim broh? get off the youtubes boomer
She is just doing her job. And she kinda educated him hopefully, it's not her law, it's been put into law by the local authorities.
@bill bergovoy it's called doing the job she is paid to do.
@@bitterroots7317 she was a life guard not a cop you can ride at these places the law is how fast you can go
For about as long as I've owned a Onewheel, I've imagined that PEVs would go through the same things as drones.
It's a matter of when vs if unfortunately.
All we can do and hope for is an impact and result that will be satisfactory for both sides. Laws started with the boosted boards, and things have been escalating sinse.
This is a benefit of living in middle of nowhere. Never been to a big city with these rental scooters. I've read about the issues that have come with them. The idea of dockless public scooters immediately sounded ridiculous to me.
So first off for ideas & solutions is to:
1. Ban Dockless rentals. A usage fee that is refunded on return to the dock to help encourage returns or other reward (return) or penalties (no return)
2. PEV license of some sort required for street use. If helmets were required, shouldn't that then also cover motorcyclists too? Don't see that happening, so that's why license of some sort may be better route.
(further details on classes and form of identification is a deeper almost separate topic)
3. Bike lanes (and trails) should be open to all personal vehicles, electric and not (bellow a certain weight or class so as to not allow motorcycles). Some cities don't allow PEV on bike lanes, this seems really silly to me.
4. PLV (Personal Light-Weight Vehicle) lanes should be added into all new road construction and added to old existing roads where possible to accommodate this new growing trend.
Yes, living in the middle of nowhere has its perks! Great insight as always!
I love the ban of dockless scooters. here in edmonton they are trialing escooters. I went for a rip through the river valley this weekend and passed like, 10 or 15 dead ones just chillin on the road sides and trails.
agreed. Helmets, clothing with reflective patch of certain size or high vis vest and rear/front lights should absolutely be mandatory on everything that can go over 8mph with or without the help of motor IMO. Cyclists keep thinking up silly laws in Europe like 150cm gap between car and a bike (which is just not doable in most places - we have roads here that were designed back when horse carriages were the only thing that was "powered" so fairly often you'll see narrow windy roads that barely fit two cars) but they never go for mandatory helmets for adults on bikes (where I live only kids/18- need to wear them). But you need to wear a helmet on a 50cc scooter. No matter that some ebikes or scooters can go just as fast...
"These aren't new laws"
*Realizes that makes him right*
"I mean, these aren't old laws"
I was gonna comment the same thing haha
or maybe she just misspoke
Instead of just banning skateboards or scooters, how about banning cars and motorcycles? If injuries are the reason for banning, fair is fair, right?
how would you get to work? Public transportation is not an option for me...
@@MichaelCena08 I refuse to own a car. So if I have to figure it out, so would drivers. Sick of bans for alternative transport for injury reasons when drivers frequently kill and injure themselves and others.
Jack McAllan it’s about the effect after banning. these scooters are 100% for leisure fun. Meaning it doesn’t hurt the society if we ban them. Some people will just have less fun at the beach. That’s the worst it can happen. But cars are most commuting method people need them for work and business. If you ban cars then it’s a big problem for everyone. That’s the difference. in all, the city just came up with this temporary solution to void accidents for now I’m pretty sure government is working on more proper policies for these scooters.
@@wesleyjohnson6011 The problem is seeing it that way. They're a form of transportation to many people. I want to use these devices to get to work instead of transit or a car. I'm a young guy with a bad hip. It's less painful for me to get around using these as sitting for long periods of time hurts. I have a specialized chair at work that leans right back, but I can't do that on transit or in a car. Yet they're illegal outright where I live which is insane. It directly affects my life every single day, and makes people relient on inefficient, large, bad for the environment vehicles, and that affects everyone.
Or instead of banning these things, just have common sense laws and regulations. If you're riding like a jackass and a nuisance, you should be ticketed. If you're responsible and not harming anyone, there should not be a problem.
Awesome video. I haven't really thought about this, but this video is a great thought provoking catalyst for discussion. I think a good place to start would be fair classification of devices, or ownership vs. rental, safety gear requirements etc. Not sure how any of it would be enforced without impacting our experience negatively. It's complicated!
Cities where rental scooters have yet to infiltrate are pretty chill about PEVs. It seems as soon as they invade a city, the inhabitants get upset and signs banning all devices start going up.
I do agree, but I also have the overwhelming thought come to mind: it’s because of all the morons that we have to have all these ridiculous regulations in the first place because people don’t have common sense to be safe or respectful. I’ve noticed some places have bike lanes at parks or beaches. I wish people would just treat it like a bike. There’s really no difference. Then ban rentals of all kinds and that will solve a huge portion of incidents.
Bro!! This whole time I have been thinking your neighborhood looks so familiar and then when you told the security your from Denver I was like no way! I’m from Denver too but I haven’t lived there in almost 8 years since I joined the Army. I’m about to get my first onewheel soon and I have learned so much from your channel! Thanks for doing what you do! Keep riding!
Great video Jimmy, and that lady life guard was cool. I was just down in San Diego and was amazed at the amount of rentals whether it be scooters, bikes, and everything in between. My local city just banned the birds. But I feel like these rental companies have bad practices. No pride of ownership on the battery changing people or they would tighten bolts and make sure they are safe to ride. I'd like to see these still for rent but out of local skate and bike shops. Then you have accountability of ownership. Thanks for sharing hope we dont become outlaws over this 🤙
Agreed. I'd never seen some of those small electric bikes before. It's a great way to get around, people just need to be more responsible.
The scooters are poorly designed (small wheels) and sometimes loose bolts. They are dangerous for people to ride. I dont agree with banning them let people have the freedom to ride. There needs to be some regulation of who is riding one like if your over 18 and not drunk. I on the other hand will never ride a scooter I would rather ride my e-bike.
@@dougwebb917 your right about the scooters needing a better design, I'm thinking of building DIY electric scooter, based off the old 80 's bmx style scooters. Just with an electric motor
Great dialogue and research with the Lifeguard! We need more leaders like you who do the work in educating and analyzing! Jimmy Chang for President!
Please give this a read.
At the end of the day its all about safety and safety can be an expensive cost. The reason we have roads and speed limits is because cars are capable of going speeds that can injure people therefore they need an area that only they can use. In New Zealand (Idk about other countries) We have 'cycle/bike lanes' which is essentially a path that bikers and skateboarders are allowed to use in order to reduce the risk of hitting someone on the footpath. We also have specific beaches and certain times that your allowed to take cars, bikes or boards onto the beach.
Personally I love riding my electric board but when you ride something that has a potential speed of 30kph it's obvious that you shouldn't be riding in a heavily populated area where people walk. You wouldn't ride a motorcycle on a pedestrian walkway, I don't care if people say its not a motor, the ONLY difference is that ones loud and ones quiet if anything its more dangerous. If it's capable of speeds faster then a humans reaction then it shouldn't be riding on the same path. Imagine how bad you'd feel if you were riding along and an elderly person suddenly appeared in front of you, you can wear as much safety gear as you want but someone's gonna get hurt either way. At the end of the day its not about banning things its a simple time and place.
PhatDog29 I would feel dumb which is what you’re saying you are
PhatDog29 when you ride this around people, you read people’s movements and body language while expecting them to jump in front of you or from out a blind corner.
Not everyone is smart enough to drive this defensively.
I doesn’t even sound like you onewheel. Have you ever opened it up to 30mph on a SIDEWALK?! The answer is NO. There’s a big difference between a boardwalk and a sidewalk... If I see a jackass onewheeling one the sidewalk over about 6mph, fuck I’ll push him off of that shit, myself...!
It’s called respect and common courtesy.
And you’re stupid for comparing this to a motorcycle, this is a 1000times more nimble and agile than your stupid bike. (Plus motorcyclists are known to be the biggest D-bags)
@@googleuser-ly2ek Wow 3 replies from the same person haha. Umm yeah I fully agree with what you say when I was writing my comment, and when you have experience from riding your onewheel you do start getting used to thinking defensively. I've had my Evolve gtx for nearly a year now and you do get more mindful of others around you BUT WHAT I MEANT in that comment was what about the people who have never been on an electric device like those electric scooters and suddenly start riding them in public areas, THEY don't have the 'defensive' mindset that you have.
And for sure I fully agree with you, if you see someone going 6mph on the sidewalk push him off! They need to either slow down or ride in another area like a bike line like I originally said :)
And when I said 30kph if you read it again I said it has a 'potential' of reaching that speed. For example sure you can ride a scooter at a nice 5kph on a public walkway as long as your going slow and being mindful of other walkers but that scooter has the potential of going 30 and one wrong move you can very easily go from 5 to 30 straight into somebody which I honestly don't think someone who has no experience riding should be using in a public area.
Ban rental scooters plain and simple
i think its just better to inforce the laws on helmets shoes ect... make helmets manditory. small fines for no helmet. done
Making things illegal is not the answer
@@spldrong people riding those rental e mopeds Reckless in NYC. That's why I say band them. The cops in NYC is not giving out fines that's not going to do nothing. I'm not saying band all ev. Just the e scooters and e moped that are renal.
@@marioizbacc sorry, I cannot agree to banning things. It is an unmoral stance, you have to find another way
@@spldrong ok.
I’ve been riding the boardwalk every now and then at mission beach. No issues so far. I find that if you go early like I do the lifeguards and cops don’t really care long as you ride responsible.
Not hating .. just thinking out loud. Love Jimmy Chang and all you do. We can be as safe as we want and someone is going to get injured or kill'ed. It doesn't matter what it is your doing. Sonny Bonno Hit a tree skiing. Outlaw ski's? No. People get hit by cars on the sidewalk all the time. Outlaw cars and walking ? No. It makes me sick. 2 people get injured and lets outlaw. What? They don't want you to have any freedom anymore. Pack your stuff guys because the free USA is not free anymore. I had my minibike guys come to the local fair today. we rode all day yesterday and today all through the streets. Today at 6.30 a cop stops me 20 minutes before its over and says "Whoa whoa. You cant ride this here. Your going to kill someone" I was doing like 2 mph. 2? what? We were in a racing event in the Capac days fair this year in Michigan. A guy had a mini bike that has a 600cc snowmobile engine on it. It is capable of 125 mph. Ran it down the same street. No issues? Why? the law doesn't care about you or your rites. Cops don't know the laws. Its a sad world we live in. Be as safe and respectable as possible and this is the only answer.
After reading through the comments I see a lot of negative reactions towards rental scooters, their riders, and the juicers and not nearly enough focus on the cause of all three: The scooter companies. They allow people to rent without helmets, they allow first time riders access to speeds they can't yet handle, they allow juicers to place the vehicles in illegal places and likely even encourage them to do so. The problem lies with the scooter companies and with jurisdictions that don't sufficiently regulate them.
If there are technical reasons they can't make them safer then they shouldn't be allowed to roll out until those issues are solved. The main safety issues aren't really technical problems, they are political problems. We are not forcing these corporations to provide reasonable, verifiable, safety protocols (ie: helmet verification, riding tutorials that verify rider understands instructions with a quiz, reduced initial speeds, etc).
Owners know what they are getting into so the best approach is going to be rental-specific PEV regulations that don't restrict owners from fully utilizing their vehicles within the confines of more generalized traffic/speed laws that apply to bicycles and other vehicles. We need less regulations on where and how we can ride PEVs and more regulation on what rental companies do and allow their riders to do. I think rentals should exist and if we are careful a safer future for pedestrians, riders, and commuters is possible.
Even the chaotic and semi-dangerous rental scooter situation we have now is probably safer than the car miles those "reckless" renters may have otherwise used. Finding a way to get as many people on PEVs is still my preferred way forward.
Great insight. This is new territory for all. I just hope knee jerk reactions don't result in stupid laws and rules.
i own a scooter as well but responsible with it. rentals to the general public... expect the worst, not really the scooter itself.
edited to add:
i wear a helmet, use lights at night and use caution.
also, a state permit or license might help with some of the policy makers. seems like laws and irresponsible people are ruining outdoor tech for folks... drones as well as personal electronic mobility devices.
I think if the banned rentals and people owned the scooters (therefore cared about scooters) there would be less hazards. I think the economics of it attracts people that tend to have a poor regard for other people.
Great vid. I’ve seen people trying to double up on scooters downtown. I also just saw a bunch of tourists in Nuevo Vallarta on Lime scooters essentially playing on them and not using them for transportation. They were all either first time riders and/or inebriated.
However, I understand some of the concepts behind these laws. It’s like how regular skateboards and rollerblades are often not allowed on some of these busy paths. It’s unsafe to combine such widely ranging speeds on one path - and its unpredictable whether you’ll have people that will all behave appropriately given the circumstances. Laws often need to be set for the lowest common denominator and it can be frustrating. Just my 2 cents. I could be way off base...
Jimmy, you were very polite and cordial (reflects on the rest of us ..so thank you!). I've run into the same issues as well....I try not to let it bother me (easier said than done sometimes). Keep up the great posts!
Thanks for the support!
They're testing the scooters here in Chicago. And while I was a huge fan of them. I've also come to the realization that they're a big problem for us OneWheelers.
“Reasonable & rational” was an apt description of this interaction with a public official, & exactly what we need to promote among the e community in 2019. THANK YOU SO MUCH setting a GOOD EXAMPLE for other E-sport enthusiasts - who will inevitably find themselves in a similar situation at some point, unless we can gets the laws updated to reflect the new paradigm being brought on by these fantastic electric mobility devices that are starting to become more widely accessible to the general public.
Anyways, nice job outta you here Jimmy! Keep up the good fight ✊
San Diego should fine the scooter company every time a renter rides the scooter in the boardwalk. That'll make them change their tune.
Jimmy great video this is Curtis here I live in Thornton Colorado I have an electric bike and for electric boards and electric scooter I obey all the laws appear have all my gear on I write down the sidewalk when there's no bike line rate in the bike lane and obey all traffic laws. We don't want any more negativity towards our transportation or just a way of haveng fun.
Maybe rental companies can limit the speed to first time riders, the application tracks your rides so its possible. Also more bike lanes for these devices makes sense but that will take a long time to implement. Unfortunately the convenience of these devices will be limited because of a few bad apples. These devices all have GPS tracking, they should use that to limit how fast you are able to go in congested areas.
One way that could really help is if they issued out licenses (it still kinda sucks) like how Canada issues boat licenses. The way it is done; is by taking a short online course, that covers safety, common knowledge, and courtesy rules that everyone must abide by. Similarly, rules like this could be implied so that way people MUST have at least some knowledge on how to ride/operate PEV's.
But then why don't we have those laws for toy/photography drones creating dangerous airspace?
@@Lain.Iwakura Canada actually just enacted laws where you must also have a license for any drone weighing 250g upto 25kg. It came into effect June 1, and it's similar to having a boat license. You must pass a short online course that goes over Canada's airspace laws, and you have to get the drone registered (It's very inexpensive, 5 Canadian rupees); which means that people will have at the very least, have basic knowledge of how and where to fly a drone. You must also be 14 in order to accuire this license. As for the states, that's something the government, or individual states would have to look into.
@@nickzona2491 That's awesome to hear! I just checked it out and it's $10 for the exam(Basic or Advanced) and $5 to register an aircraft. I've just registered my machines, thanks!
@@Lain.Iwakura Do you live in Canada? If so, that's awesome! But yes, they've made it so there's at least some sort of gate to be able to fly which helps weed out the irresponsible flyers.
@@nickzona2491 Yeah and I totally get it now that I see how Canadian laws are progressing in recreation activities, we really do need licenses for anything that can be operated and generate considerable destruction or injury to those around them without proper guidance and regulations regarding safe usage. I just hope this won't become too restricting as municipalities start to add their own regulations on top of federal laws.
Same thing happened to me in Ocean City Md but what’s worse is they said I can’t even take it on the street as skateboards are band from the street. I live in MD and that’s not the case in the county I’m from. It’s weird how every city has their own laws, it makes it super confusing.
Great video Jimmy. I'm pretty new to your channel. I discovered you when i started to looking into the OneWheel about 2 weeks ago. I'm from Stockholm, Sweden. And we've seen a boom in the number of electric rental scooters this last year. Too the point where they are a growing problem in the city. The largest issue over here is that they are beeing dumped all over the place often in crowded places. They have already been restricted in certain areas of the city to prevent people dumping them in parks and tourist areas. There is currently no clear law over here on how or where they can be riden. But that is a hot topic atm. I just hope that this won't result in a general ban, but maybe tougher rules towards the rental scooters. Otherwise i fear my newfound dream of getting a onwwheel will be very shortlived.
I just had a head on collision with a cyclist riding my onewheel home from work. It was dark and we both didn't see each other. Luckily we both had helmets because we bashed heads HARD.
The next cyclist I saw had no light and no helmet so it was a good thing it wasn't him coming round the corner.
matt bell Did you have your lights on? To me this is why the street is a better option. At night, especially. I use a very bright flashlight to shine on any suspicious bumps.
Most cyclists are idiots. At least when they’re riding..
To have had a head-on collision, someone was in the wrong place.
As much as I'd like to think there is, there is no perfect solution. Even in a group of people who will use there devices responsibly there are going to be people who don't. You can enact laws that everyone can agree to and still someone will want to do their own thing because they don't want to be regulated. So enforcement becomes the only remaining option, clamp down on the people doing it wrong and make examples, which would make sens for people who own their devices but cops can't catch every rental so it causes issues when the one they miss causes an accident. Honestly I don't understand why they even let the Recharger people drop them off there if they aren't allowed on the beach. One of the rangers could just pick them up and drop them a block away, but because they're dockless someone will see it as littering, and vandalize them because they're generally pissed about them and/or fling them into a ally which creates even more clutter and littering, causeing the cycle to spread. It's really saddening to think about it.
Having respect for the city official resulted in getting some good information on how San Diego ended up with the laws they have. Now we just need more people to join you in calling for the same level of respect towards PEV owners (and even renters) and an honest look at how best to keep riders and pedestrians safe, instead of reactionary policies like the ones in San Diego.
Great video.
Thanks for the support, Carl.
In SLC the scooters say to not ride on the sidewalk and to use the bike lanes on the street. I’ve never seen anyone ride on the street. They are always on the sidewalk. I ride my XR all over and it on the road and bike lane.
If they allow a bike on a boardwalk or path then we should be able to ride there as well.
We should be courteous to those around us an be treated just like a bike rider. Obey the same rules.
On the street I use hand signals when I’m in traffic.
Hi @Jimmy Chang We had the same problem here in France.
Now, the law as integrated us in the Road Code. We have a mandatory insurance, the Speed is limited at 25Km/h for public riding but we must stay under 6Km/h on sidewalks. Safety gear is not mandatory but strongly advised.
I've never owned or been on a electric unicycle but after watching all those TH-cam videos on EUCs I am highly interested and ready to buy one, I've already contacted E-Wheels and I know what I want! but the current laws has thrown up a huge red flag for me. I haven't research the laws in-depth but If it's harder to change an existing law than to modify it and sense an EUC can't be registered or insured as a street legal vehicle, could requiring a rider to purchase a "EUC permit", similar to a fishing or hunting permit/license be at option??
I'm just throwing it out there because I haven't heard any options given.....
hunters have rules to follow and if they break them they can be fined or have their permit/license suspended.
we get to ride & the politicians get some revenue.....
Oh, thanks for the video. You handle yourself real well with the officers. You didn't give attitude dipped in stank but you were able to have a respectful informative
Discussion.
Set a law and give ticket to anyone violate the law but do not ban any of them. Just start forcing the law to use all the protection gear and be responsible rider.
I am a sixty year old newb to the float life and your videos always resonate with me. La Jolla is my home turf and I just logged about twenty miles on a used Pint commuting to work. Riding on the beach at low tide is on my training list, and it is so funny to see May Gray and June Gloom in your beach cruise. I can imagine the drunks and fools at Pacific and Mission Beach but La Jolla is mellower and family friendly, I'm gonna ride there soon, illegal or not !
EDIT: just rode the beach for the first time at La Jolla shores from the pier to the Marine Street stairs at low tide near sunset. If it's still illegal it is not strictly enforced.
I like gg e’s answer.... the problem is the rider not the device.... it’s also the answer for gun control.
But seriously... drones are banned, electric mobility devices are banned why oh why? I know that’s the question and I don’t have a real answer.
If we ask the government to step in they will put too many controls on them like drones.
Why not just ticket or punish the behaviour? Because that too is subjective.
Why doesn’t the manufacturers step in and lobby with us? Wouldn’t that help their bottom line? Because if these devices become banned, who will buy them?
My issue is I want to use my devices, my drone and Onewheel, but I need practice before I hit the trails and if I am on my quiet street practicing I could be ticketed!
So I am back to the gun control law, we shouldn’t ban the device, we should penalize the behavior!
It's really stupid imo. The gov't takes things out of perspective so often it's not even funny. Drones haven't killed a single person yet there are a hundreds of laws against them. This electric scooter has killed 28 people so far since it's launch and they're banned. How many deaths are there from car accidents?? 1.35 million a year and so then why are cars not all banned? Nothing against cars, I drive for a living and love it. But the numbers make no sense.
I went to a camping ground recently where I was expecting to use my OneWheel and found out motorized hoverboards / scooters were not allowed. The reason for them was because it effects their insurance coverage because people using such devices get hurt on their property.
This is not in an area where there are rental motorized personal transport. It is even self-owned equipment that through incidents have caused places that welcome bicycles to put up signs to disallow use of motorized personal vehicles.
I've owned my own e-scooter for the past two years and always ride with a helmet with no incident. Now, rental e-scooters are introduced to parts of Chicago and there are great trails now that are banned, where they were never banned before the rentals arrived
Sorry to hear that. I drive a scooter in Salt Lake City, and an EUC in San Diego. SLC has the best bike infrastructure. SD, not so much. If they ban me from using SLC bike trails, I will blow a gasket.
@@mikecast7340 Below is what I'm talking about. Also, I just bought my 2nd e-scooter(Zero 8) two months ago so I'm pissed:
blockclubchicago.org/2019/06/20/no-you-cannot-ride-an-e-scooter-on-the-606-but-people-are-doing-it-anyway/
When you fly on commercial plane where are you putting your one wheel? As a carry on or under the plane? Are you also having to remove the battery from the board?
Its just people who like to cry about everything ride it on the road then , Me and my friends had to do that with just regular skateboards because the cops said we couldnt skate on the sidewalks because we destory them LMFAO
Cops are idiots. Most cops are only cops because it was the quickest route to power.
@@Dusticron I wouldn't say most, but there are a lot unfortunately.
In my city of Spokane we have Hoopfest this weekend and the city has an agreement with the rental companies to have their scooter shut down in a GPS area the event is going on to keep them away from the heavy foot traffic and games. I think if this option works it could be a great way for cities to regulate use areas they don’t want the rentals.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
If that's the case, then San Diego could ask the scooter companies to geofence any areas they don't want the scooters operating in. As soon as they cross into that zone, they become disabled, and you have to walk it out of the zone to re-enable them.
Some people suck. But they shouldn’t ruin it for the people who don’t suck.
Don’t ban anything. Just let people hurt themselves. It’s their destiny to do so anyways.
@BenBenson There are already laws on the books for hurting other people or their property. I'm positive that we don't need more laws.
@BenBenson and you are the intelligent one ah ?? Right?? You are the law and the enforcer ah??
They're ruining it for us in Austin, too.
Jeremy Dumoit, what’s going on down in ATX?
@@prewittj1 There's a pilot program allow EVs on some park trails, but the public is pretty hostile from their experience with idiots on scooters. A drunk college student died a few months back riding a scooter the wrong way on one of the freeway service roads also.
@@prewittj1 www.kvue.com/article/news/local/video-shows-group-throwing-scooters-into-lady-bird-lake-from-congress-avenue-bridge/269-b0220921-beb1-4ed7-8874-7a01cc38fa7d
Jeremy Dumoit dang man, I lived in Austin and that kinda ruins it for me. Good thing I moved to Buda and they seem to be pretty relaxed about stuff like this.
I don’t live in a super metropolitan area. I’ve seen maybe one or two people riding an electric skateboards. So when I went out to use my rental Pint I immediately got called out for it.
I checked the local laws before riding. The only places I wasn’t allowed to ride were on private property (duh), on very specific city streets and on the local beach boardwalk (where ONLY pedestrians are allowed, no dogs, bikes or skateboards). I was just riding around my neighborhood on the street, bc where the hell else am I supposed to go?
A car stopped me and the woman driving told me to get out of the way of the cars and get on the sidewalk. I tried to explain why that wasn’t a possibility, given how bikes and skateboards aren’t supposed to be on sidewalks and what I had could go as fast as 15 mph. She didn’t have a response for that so she just swore at me, said she would call the police and drove off. No police ever showed up and I just went about my ride now in a bad mood because of this “Karen”.
I think more people need to be educated about electric boards and scooters. It always surprises me how little people know about them. That they can go as fast as they can, how many there are, and how dangerous they can be if not regulated.
In this new COVID world, fewer people are using buses, not everyone owns a car and a lot of us, myself included, are working from home. I’ve seen big spikes in sales of electric vehicles. I’ve been shopping for a use Onewheel for some time and 90% of the listing I see say they bought this because of COVID and simply decided it wasn’t for them.
EVs are going to become more common and the laws need to catch up with the times. Drivers don’t own the road but few drivers seem to understand that. Even when I see bicyclists, cars will frequently act as if they aren’t there, speed past or just be obnoxious. It’s an awful mentality to have especially if god forbid you get into an accident with someone.
Thank you for making a good name for our onewheel community :)
Make a petition on change.org make it so rental scooters need to take a picture with a helmet on the rider and make them sign a form that says if they crash it was there responsibility for if they crash
Hey Jimmy! Yeah, I took my OneWheel to one of my favorite beaches lately and kept on guard, riding slowly and safely around pedestrians and actively greeting park rangers on patrol. They didn't have restrictive laws there because rental scooters weren't really available there. Not a coincidence I think.
My thoughts: Steer most discussion of solutions into banning and severely restricting the scooter rental companies. Make them accountable and maybe they'll be more responsible. The rise of these accidents is due to the rise of the accessibility of these scooters. And you are right...any PEV owner treats their vehicle with respect and learns how to ride it safely and properly because they are liable for their own device.
We also want to make sure lawmakers don't go overboard and require us, like with cars, to have to register and have insurance. That would be a disaster and one of the things that would make me hang my OneWheel up for good.
Banning those rental scooters would be the best for us but I admit, they are pretty handy to get from point A to point B when in a bind. I'd be lying if I said I've never used one.
Exactly. I went to the park today and wanted to practice riding “off-road” in the dry dirt walkways around the ballfields and in the grassy areas around the outfield. I took the time to ask the custodian if it was okay and he said yes, as long as I wasn’t on the playing field (then he asked about the Onewheel...turns out he was a snowboarder and I let him try my onewheel and didn’t falter even once on his first trial ride!!). So, I got permission and did a little Onewheel PR!
Can't afford a one wheel, but I am a roller skater who commutes to work. I think part of the solution is definitely the responsible vs irresponsible rental and skating and education. We need to make people see that these devices are not only for entertainment, they are environmentally friendly alternative means of transport. They reduce traffic, carbon emissions and instill a greater sense of spatial awareness in people which is proven to reduce pedestrian collisions. I live in Hong Kong, when we go skating on the promenades we often have to dodge kids being reckless on scooters and joggers staring at their phones. Yet the security guards yell at us for being unsafe. What you did with that guard was really good. I'd like to think that the next time she's talking to someone about this, she'll mention that you were responsible and well reasoned. Luckily, here in HK they can't make you take you skates off and go barefoot so we're always allowed to skate through.
The amount of excitement I got when you said you lived in Denver 😂
Three years later. Any updates on one wheel use in areas like this with documentation to legally?
🤞
I think we need to show statistics. Show the difference between the dangers of the rental scooters, how many people are riding and how many accidents there are. And also if any were preventable via saftey gear or experience or whatever. And then compare it to stats from people with bought vehicles. I feel like, even with our accidents, the rentals are far more extreme. Our vehicles last us a long long time. There's do not. There's almost no loss on their end to just toss their scooter in a river after using it. The service isn't set up like even the most basic bike rental service. Somehow we've managed to make a system worse than a manual bike rental shop. We need to make a case that PEVs and rentals are different worlds and need to be judged and treated differently
I live in Denver too. I just order my pint two weeks ago. Hopefully I see you out there riding!!
Riding in the Littleton Parade as we speak!
Awesome
But a normal scooter or bicycle is fine?? This is ridiculous...
I‘m from Germany, riding my OneWhell allmost every day in downtown of Hamburg. Since a month we have a new law here. Electric Scooters are now allowed to drive on bicing ways. Electric skateboards are forbidden.
But it‘s here like with the normal skateboard- it is forbidden to ride it on boardwalks, but nobody cares.
Well, sometimes the police sees me rolling, but i slow down and they don‘t say nothing. So, my only change is, like with the skateboard, to drive carefully and respectful. I want to roll, so i roll.
Love your videos! Keep up the good work. U are the reason i bought my OneWheel. I saw all of your tuts and they helped me a lot. Excuse my english dude. Kind regards from Germany
Thanks for you comment and your English is way better than my German! Can I call you Thor for short? ;)
Jimmy Chang my Name really comes from that nordic gernanic god Thor :) cheers Jimmy
• Ban electric vehicules from sidewalks.
• Build more "bicycle" lanes.
• Build more dedicated parking lots for rented vehicules.
• Restrain power on rented electric vehicules to a non-motorised level.
• Tax rented vehicules companies and use the money to build dedicated infrastructure or repair structures shared with other vehicules.
• Force companies to hire "juicers" and to employ people with appropriate contracts.
• Force companies to recycle damaged rented vehicules.
• Help insurance companies to adapt their contracts.
• Fine people breaking the laws.
Personal Electronic Transportation Device - don't call it a vehicle. Most of the laws (at least here in IN) have some fine print that states "2 wheels parallel of eachother" - the law was written for Segways initially but the OW has a little bit of a loophole here! Really enjoy your videos Jimmy! I'll be out in CO at the end of august! but sadly cant bring my XR on the plane. :( Happy Floating my dude! Keep the videos comin!
Good point Mack! I'll try not to call it a vehicle. If you are traveling for a long period, consider shipping the OW. Check out my latest vid on that.
I’m a little late to this conversation but there is a specific exemption in the California Vehicle Code (section 313.5) for electric skateboards. It specifically says an electric skateboard IS NOT a motorized vehicle. A OneWheel qualifies as a skateboard (based on the description in the code). This means you can ride on bike paths even if they prohibit motorized vehicles UNLESS a city municipal code “specifically” bans electric skateboards and even then, there has to be signs posted that advise you of the ban. Just because they ban scooters doesn’t mean the ban includes e-skateboards. Most cops and park rangers don’t realize this, they just assume the scooter ban automatically applies to e-skateboards. I would recommend that if you are stopped that you politely ask them to review CVC 313.5.
One thing that is very important in taking on these city ordinances is to make sure that you personally are NOT a scooter/euc/onewheel douc**. Obey all traffic laws, use the bike lanes, stay off the sidewalk, park in a bike rack (ada requirement), and most importantly, wear safety gear to the point that its ridicules. Who cares what you look like. Cops love to see the safety gear and saving yourself from an emergency room vist is not a bad thing. My helment, wrist guards and elbow pads have saved me. And I look good in a green construction vest. Also, take note how Jimmy Chang handled the lifeguard in Mission Beach. Niceness goes a long way. Cops will remember that stuff when they talk about this subject in their meetings.
Great insight Mike! We all need to be good ambassadors of the PEV movement!
@@freshlycharged This. We are the early adopters of new things. We will shape the public's opinion of these new vehicles well into the future. We need to be on our best behavior. When I'm out riding (KS14D) just for fun, and people are watching me, I might pick up trash from the grass and bring it to the trash can. Good mound/dis-mount practice for me, and good public relations.
@@freshlycharged This. We are the early adopters of new things. We will shape the public's opinion of these new vehicles well into the future. We need to be on our best behavior. When I'm out riding (KS14D) just for fun, and people are watching me, I might pick up trash from the grass and bring it to the trash can. Good mount/dis-mount practice for me, and good public relations.
Hi, great video. What make is this one wheel? I presume its ip65 or above?
I'm interested to understand how AB604 does not apply here, you are within all the legal expectations provided in this newer law pertaining to electric vehicles that was put in place in CA a couple years back for this very reason. According to this state law your doing nothing wrong, so not sure why its different here?
Looks like CVC 21113 provides local agency and city's to override this CA law... I don't understand why we have Federal, state, city laws that all contradict each other its getting to be quite ridiculous..
@@californiamotherlodeprospect what I got from it was that they have a state law, but a city law can be written to take its place in cases specific to that area. So something drastic had to happen that their city council immediately moved to ban them there locally.
Which is going to result in huge confusion and misinformation for the PEV community as every city will have it's own laws.
Jesus Christ!!! What's next?? Can't drive a car on the street anymore because too many pedestrians are getting hit. (Which we know will never come to pass. Too much is invested in automobiles and is pretty much solidified) love how you dropped some serious knowledge to her.
I just arrived last night here in the US from Portugal and Spain. The rental scooters like Lime and Uber bike rentals are big there. They were all parked nicely. I tried to travel light and didn't bring my helmet with me because I did not know what to expect. With my experience with electric skateboard, thank God I was safe. Lime does discourage people riding their scooters at the sidewalks, but it's not against the law. I've seen a couple EUCs in both countries and I wish I had it with me there.
It was never a problem when it was just a Segway. Two fold problem. One, is not the device but the irresponsibility and lack of respect of the people that use them. Laws are not being written because of a concern for safety and injuries either, that's BS. Companies that make these things better to take some of those profits and do some lobbying like everybody else. I mean you can walk down the street with a freaking assault rifle but go to jail for riding your onewheel. The sad reality is that this is how things work in Corporate America.
Great insight, Richard. Thanks for the comment. Now if one were to ride with a rifle I wonder what the reaction would be. 🤔
limiting the speed on rental vehicles sounds like the best option to me - minimizes the safety risk from inexperienced operators while still promoting clean, quiet urban transportation.
Great Video... I still to learning about this issue. My previous assumption was electric scooters is the gateway for PEVs being more widely accepted and having industry bankroll to create a PEV culture. All the other parts of the PEV industry (EUC, OneWheel, Skateboards, etc) are not coherent enough or big enough to affect politically. Didn't realized it is causing more of a problem.
It's nice to see the old stomping grounds. I think you made a very valid point that one wheel owners are much more responsible than scooter renters in so many regards; as such, shouldn't be held to the same standard.
Ur comments r spot on and it’s sad how the laws have lumped all electric vehicles together. I visited my sister in San Diego probably 4 years ago and road the lime scooters around and it was a great way to travel and see the city. But we were also respectful and careful unlike a lot of other people we saw riding them disrespectfully & who apparently have ruined the potential of these forms of transport in the past few years.
When I was in Paris the e scooters were a freaking life saver. Scooter companies simply need to have harsher fines for improper use. Helmet check, etc. If they break the rule, they get large fines charged to their card.
And I think those articles about the death related injury were pumped out to make it seem more dangerous. Cars kill people everyday, theres no nan on cars. I wonder how they get away with banning e scooters. It's the thing. Its the dumbass riders that have no respect. Punish them.
Smart helmets would be a cool option. Have them dock to the scooter and when someone wants to ride - it has to detect their head before activating the scooter.
I am NOT wearing a helmet that accompanies a rental ANYTHING lol
Heard of lice? Ticks?
Great idea, but bad execution
These laws will cause a lot of citizens to stand up for their rights.
Good for the op to talk it out intelligently, and remain cool 😎
Rentals should be licensed pay for annually, and if fined or miss used the licence revoked.
Personal transportation most of us riding safe, with helmets and gear plus we paid alot of money for these devices so are more likely to ride safe as don't want to trash it.
what wrist guards are you using Jimmy? what mode? thanks!
Delirium mode.
Safety gear: oneradwheel.com/onewheel-safety-gear-recommendations/
My favorite short finger gloves if I'm just going to cruise casually: flatland3d.com/?wpam_id=13
Just got my Onewheel last week. Have you had any issues in Denver? I'm near Fort Collins and have seen a lot of onewheels but I definitely wanted to ride in Denver sometime.
I've never had any problems in Denver. Ride responsibly and you should be fine.
I’ve been stopped three times. Once on the beach by a lifeguard declaring the Onewheel an “unauthorized motor vehicle.” After informing her that this was hardly a motor vehicle and the law clearly wasn’t in place for this type of platform, an electric bike passes without her batting an eye. So I just continued my ride on the beach. It was awesome! I was confronted by the police later who just were curious what I was riding. No mention to the legality of me on the beach. BTW, this was Hilton Head Beach in SC.
Great video Jimmy. I want to know though if your OW is badgered or is it safe to ride a stock OW on the beach/sand as long as it’s away from the water. How did you clean yours?
Not badgered. Just try to keep it dry. I have a video on how to clean the Onewheel. Check it out.
I own my own electric scooter and I live in Cincinnati Ohio, and basically since bird and lime have created the problem, I think they should be integrated into the solution. It may add a couple seconds to a commute, but basically ban all untrained riders on rentals and have some proof of ownership on a personal vehicle. A “trained rider” would have to be someone who has gone through a bird or lime sponsored seminar or online class that would teach them proper etiquette, technique, and regulations, and once completed, they could be given a code to link to their account on their respective app that would “license” them to use the scooter.
I agree, I own an evolve skateboard and love using it. We don't have rentals in London uk as of yet.
She seems rather cool actually. I have had run-ins with enforcements officials that have been far less positive and conversational.
I agree. Many times if someone asks an honest question, they immediately think it's an attempt to argue with them and they get defensive/dismissive or aggressive/rude.
What a nice lifeguard. Wish cops were that nice.
I live in Dallas and we have the same problem. The major trails wont allow any motorized vehicle. Such a shame.
Maybe the companies that provide public scooters should be held accountable
What a reasonable lifeguard, wish all pub officials were like that.
I agree, Sam. Can't we all just be more reasonable and get along?
A lifeguard that gives tickets that's new to me!
Sam Sandt She wasn’t reasonable she is ignorant!
Man wouldn’t that suck, spending over 4000$ on one wheels and EV’s then having them banned. Great channel! A lot of great info!
I'm glad you spoke to her I'm a calm and rational manner. You understand them and they understand the various viewpoints
Wow...thanks for the knowledge. I say that because I was going to go to Mission Beach in San Diego and ride on the boardwalk once my Onewheel is delivered. Ugh.... this sucks.
Also I just check and a guy died on a scooter after a crash with another scooter. Both had no helmet but guy (47y/o) complained of pain around chest... died at hospital. That's nuts
The crash and death is unfortunate. It makes me wonder if he was having a heart attack which caused the crash.
The rental agencies may want to have people return the vehicles to the rental place (or a designated drop off place). That would cut down on people just grabbing them up and riding irresponsibly. How is there any accountability for the person who rented it, anyway? What proof do they have that the vehicle has been returned? I guess these devices don't have keys to operate them. Maybe they should (have keys) so that they have to be unlocked before riding, with a hefty fee for not returning them (both keys and device/vehicle). Then they wouldn't be left in random areas. The Citi bikes in NYC have to be returned to one of their stations. They don't have to be delivered to the location where they were initially picked up, but they are not just dropped off anywhere.
Having to return them to a docking station takes away one of the biggest benefits to these rentals: convenience.
@@freshlycharged I hear you, but it's a smaller loss of benefits than banning all electric vehicles. There are many Citi bike docking stations around the city. Riders use the app to find where they are. I guess it wouldn't be cost effective to implement this for the other vehicles/devices.
I think you handled that really well. I live in Washington and havent had one problem yet. The cops out here dont seem to care. Granted there aren't very many one wheel riders over here and I wear full gear and I'm not reckless. So far there are no laws in Washington prohibiting the use of my one wheel..🤞🏾
I’d be open to a licensing system. Have to complete a practical course that proves you can handle your device in amongst pedestrians, sidewalks and roadways.
licensing is not a solution as the reason to use these are to cut costs as we are NOT cars or motorcycles. Imposing a speed limit sounds more reasonable, rather than giving local gov green light to rob you with licensing fees.
Same.
I believe UC Santa Barbara has banned the rental scooters from campus, but the verbage does not include personally owned electric vehicles. Seems to be a good model...
Out here in Boston Mass electric scooters are banned in general
Can you ride your own personal electric device?
Jimmy Chang I assume so but I looked up bird and lime scooters are illegal
@@freshlycharged Yes you can.
Yep, I have been waiting for something like this to come up. These electric scooters are nice, but renting them to anyone, anywhere - will lead to problems. And - it will be easier to disallow all electric vehicles compared to making special rules for different kinds. I really hope there will be som reasonable solution to this, as these devices are excellent for getting around - less noice, less polluting (perhaps not globally), and very fun. I dont know what to do if I am not allowed to ride my EUC.
Same blanket ban in Santa Monica.. The regulation really sucks.. Still ride there at night when less likely to have cops monitoring or otherwise Venice boardwalk is still open and long may it stay that way..
A night Santa Monica ride would be nice! Sad to hear it's banned there.
SPOT ON about untrained renters. NYC is considering legalizing e-scooters, bikes, EUC's, etc. But NOT legalizing the rentals. Smart and more nuanced approach. Fingers crossed that passes. Safe, law abiding riders are our best ambassadors to the pedestrian public. Thank you for posting,.
It's not the device that kills it's the fool on the device. Like a car, motorcycle or anything that creates some form of motion, we must use some sense and proceed with care. Nothing wrong with scooters, e-bikes, e-boards. I just picked up my first one wheel used of course and now on day 3 riding. Keep up the great reviews and commentary. I am looking forward to a beach ride in the home of the Onewheel.
Ridiculous to ban these new forms of technology that have the potential to transform the way we live.. Just because some idiot gets injured using something doesn't mean we should take it away from the rest of us.. There needs to be reform in the laws, they need to consider new ways to allow responsible adults to ride their devices safely without so many restrictions..
One way would be to restrict the use of these vehicles while under the influence. We don't needs drunks riding these things around public ways..
The issue is the US doesn't have cycling infrastructure, so you have two options, ride in mixed vehicle traffic or ride in mixed pedestrian traffic. Mix that with inexperience riders and it's always a recipe for disaster. The solution is to promote and demand better cycling infra, and not the poor excuse of a painted line that we have now, but legit segregated bike paths.
In my state there are laws about electric skateboards which specifically says they are not considered motorized vehicles.
I used to own a Segway i2 long ago before PEVs were as popular, so my struggle has been a long one to gain acceptance within the law. In a way I think we should come together to do as you did here and explain our case. On the other hand, where we are under the radar, I worry that making noise may backfire. I’m not sure. I have an EUC in NYC and haven’t had any issues yet. For me it’s not the rentals but the wild group rides in the street...by owners.