2:20 Riff 1 (drop C) 4:30 Riff 2 (drop B) 5:48 Riff 3 (drop B) 7:38 Riff 4 (D standard) This was a fun little experiment, and it gave me an excuse to play some music with my bro so it’s a win all round 🥰 Which riff was your favourite? 👇👇👇
there's something oddly entertaining about hearing electric guitar but with the real string noises too, it's not good from a musical standpoint, but it's weirdly satisfying
I think every band should take turns writing songs based around ideas from all of the instruments jammed solo. Even writing around a vocal idea is cool. I try to write melodies on other instruments like piano, xylophone, etc.
This is exactly what YES did back in '71 with their "Fragile" album, they had 4 songs written by the band together and 5 songs written by individual members of the band with their own instrument (or voice) as the focal point of the arrangement scattered between the songs written by the band as a whole. Makes for nice albums with lots of variation.
@@JacobMartin also brand new to your channel and I wanna hear all these become full songs. I was already inventing a riff in my head for continuing the 4th one.
Van halen used to write like this,basically eddie would write parts to Alex's ideas and that is why they were so good together and Ed ending up with odd time signiture riffs.
This was the most unexpected and offensively good "Try not to headbang" challenge I have come across. I failed miserably. You and your bro are stellar. Stay Rad!
This is actually a great way to come up with stuff you wouldn't normally play. The same goes to writing using Guitar Pro ONLY. No guitar sitting on your lap, just writing. Muscle memory can fuck you up a lot when trying to come up with great riffs. Awesome exercise, cheers
That's how I write most of all my stuff lol. Just put on a drum groove and noodle around till something comes out. Is a great technique! Just wish I would play as half as good as you dude. Well done!
As a drummer and guitarist letting the drummer lay down some solid grooves and riffs first is sweet, who knows better accents combinations and rhythyms in general than the drummer
Sick video. Great job showing the noodling around on the guitars digging for the idea instead of just what you ended up going with. It's great to see the work in the kitchen, rather than just enjoy the meal.
I write 95% of our songs, like this; starting with our drummer: he plays, I riff, until we like something, then we build... I then develop the song structure, our bassist improves it, vocals comes up with melody, I write lyrics, vox rewrites lyrics, and when we put it all together, we play with it in different ways, until we find a standard... it's mostly based on having fun and each of us focusing on our strengths. it always produces something I like much more than the songs I write on my own, the whole way through... the songs we write together always end up surprising me and I tend to like the song more over time, whereas the songs I wrote on my own, tend to disgust me over time. Great video!
The tone you use for the bass when you record the riff really has that August Burns Red thing going on. Great playing man, lots of creativity in those riffs!
nice. my brothers are my band mates and i actually am working on a long drawn out riff about 30 seconds long that my brother wrote the drums for first. its a new kind of challenge i like,
I am less than a min into the vid and had to pause to comment, I've been a musician and luthier for what feels like an age now and I am still amazed by drummers, I can drum a little (like very little haha) an average drummer would easily put me to shame, as such I am always enamored watching drummers. I so need a drum kit on my life hahaha.
In an old school studio done on tape it was always Drums, bass , guitars and vocals in that order 95 % of the time and you had to play all the way through sometimes punching in . Sure you could go to the next track but you were normally restricted to 24 tracks. A lot of techniques were developed and improvised to make room or clear tracks usually by ping ponging or bouncing tracks together.
I love the way you attack each phrase. The old man who yells at clouds inside me would prefer if you made things less intricate and more groovy, but I reeeaaallllyyy enjoyed this vid.
"Jacob Joseph Martin is an Indian cricketer. He is a right-handed middle-order batsman. Martin has appeared 10 times for India at One Day International level at the turn of the 21st century. He captained Baroda cricket team in the Indian domestic circuit." Hmm, I think I wound up on the wrong wikipedia page.
I personally prefer Having the Drums Written First. Because I am a Type of Guitarist that Heavily Relies On the beat. Since I am A Rhythm Type of Player not a Lead Type.. and Seeing this Video makes me Try on having my own Take on the Beats that are In Video. Nice GUITAR TAKES THERE MAN! LOVE THOSE!!
That was really enjoyable to watch. Like in every art form, I'm seeing that when good musicians intentionally f up their process of writing music, they unlock more creativity and come up with cooler/more unique stuff. This is same for designers, artists, etc. I see designers with decades long experience intentionally challenge their creative process which results in more unique work.
Many legendary thrash/groove metal bands have brothers on guitar and drums, vocals optional. Pantera, Sepultura, Gojira, Lamb of God, Mushroomhead, Alien Weaponry (so you know it's eventual).
First time seeing one of his videos and I don't know why I love his picking style so much. It's so violent and jerky and perfect and I can't get enough of it.
damn dude, i totally saw something like what you wrote for that first and second beat as something i would write given those same beats, but the riffing for the 3rd beat is something i would never been able to even invision with a beat like that, your writing is really creative, what a great musician!
As a solo artist i start with whatever instrument i have the idea for first. I might have a drum beat in my head i record that first. Sometimes i get an idea for a bass line so i start with that. Same with guitar. Just depends on how you want to work with it. Most of the time it works out well.
I just found your channel, but your guitar playing just inspired me so much man. There is so much boring metal out there and this is straight up the opposite. I needed to hear this. Also fun fact, I specifically only write riffs to drums that are laid out first!
Awesome approach, I have tried it and it works really nice when one feels stuck on using the same kind of riffs. It also helps to get out of our comfort zone and experiment with other rhythmic possibilities. I used this approach on my upcoming album and it worked wonders. Thanks for sharing, you are an incredible player...I subscribed. Greetings from Puerto Rico!
1:45-2:10 I loved the dissonance into Jazx chords. Something I've strived to do and Jinjer actually succeeded at. I'd love to hear more of that, hell I'd love to create more of that but I struggle with getting the dissonance to come through.
Damn the second run thru of the second beat, the riff starts at about 3:16 and ends at the two down chugs at 3:20. That dissonant thing before the slide down into the down chugs. SO KILLER. Wish I could figure it out.
2:20 Riff 1 (drop C)
4:30 Riff 2 (drop B)
5:48 Riff 3 (drop B)
7:38 Riff 4 (D standard)
This was a fun little experiment, and it gave me an excuse to play some music with my bro so it’s a win all round 🥰 Which riff was your favourite? 👇👇👇
Riff 4 OMG!! PLEASE make a entire song with thissssss
Riff 4 definitely my favorite as well! 🔥 as always!
Riff 2 👊😎🎸
PS: All of them were BRUTAL.
Alllllll
riff 3
As a drummer, Id love to hear more music written this way.
Edit: Ok, so apperantly everyone and there mother writes the drums 1st.
Can I plug my own stuff? Because I tend to write the drums and bass first.
@@JesterOfDestiny same 🙌🏿
A lot of electronic music does this 😎
Same
@@JesterOfDestiny heck yeah!
1:23 that riff was just so disgusting. I loved it
If you like that you'd love the band Vein
@@unr3quited 💖💖💖
@@unr3quited thanks a fucking lot buddy ❤️Checked them out a while ago and came here to thank you
@@unr3quited give me a song by then
Sounds like any other metal riff lmao
there's something oddly entertaining about hearing electric guitar but with the real string noises too, it's not good from a musical standpoint, but it's weirdly satisfying
I’m the same way. It’s confirmation that his skill set is legit and THAT is satisfying lol
Fuck ywah it's very nic
If you think hearing the strings is satisfying, you should hear my guitar hero guitar
It's the rhythm. So satisfying!
Oddly? It's awesome hearing all the little finger squeaks and the tiny noises the strings make.
It's what makes distorted electric guitars so cool imo
Both you guys play clean af. I don't know what's more impressive, the skill playing or the mixing. All of it sounded great 🤘🏻
Thanks heaps man!
It's definitely the mixing, that sh!t was even more impressive than the outstanding playing!
You’re such a killer guitarist dude.
I appreciate that man :)
Yes! Absolutely wonderful stuff! Very proggy. Any albums you play on? Any in the making?
He inspired me to quit guitar
@@VadikRamm a 9 year old asian girl did me in. I feel your pain. I hate TH-cam sometimes.
Fuckin right dude
3:12 that pinch absolutely SENT ME
I think every band should take turns writing songs based around ideas from all of the instruments jammed solo. Even writing around a vocal idea is cool. I try to write melodies on other instruments like piano, xylophone, etc.
This is exactly what YES did back in '71 with their "Fragile" album, they had 4 songs written by the band together and 5 songs written by individual members of the band with their own instrument (or voice) as the focal point of the arrangement scattered between the songs written by the band as a whole. Makes for nice albums with lots of variation.
@@Kraz3e987 Yes was such a cool band. Their bassist, in particular, blows my mind.
I enjoy the album Clear from Periphery for this reason. Very cool to hear their own individual styles stand out so much in the album.
Thrice’s drummer had once mentioned them doing this since they recorded Vheissu, masterpiece of an album
The Spanish band Mago De Oz also does this. No wonder their music have very cool and strange sounds
I’m a solo instrumentalist and this is how I write 90% of my songs…. Going drums first forces you to be more creative
An EP based off of these riffs would be killer \m/
Putting an ep together is definitely on the cards :)
@@JacobMartin I just stumbled across this channel minutes ago and I have no idea who you are, but I would buy an EP of these tracks in a heartbeat!
@@CatchReleaseRepeat Ahaha yess. Appreciate that man 🤘
@@JacobMartin also brand new to your channel and I wanna hear all these become full songs. I was already inventing a riff in my head for continuing the 4th one.
Can we just stop to appreciate the production of the sound itself? The bass is so heavy!
CORRECT. Hell of a job brother!!
Verified. Based.
Thanks dude! 🤘
Everyone thinks about guitar tone. Nobody thinks about how the tone of a guitar and a drum kit blend and become one
The agility and precision is just beyond godly. God I have a long ass way to go before I can master that skillset😩
As a drummer before a guitarist, I LOVE how your brother plays the drums. He has similar feel as i do, this was awesome!!!!
Your guitar tone in this video sounds massive! Plus: the beats are killer! I really enjoyed this format and would love to see it again in some future!
The tone.... For sure...I almost bought the gojira plug-in instantly hahaha
Hahaha thanks so much guys. So stoked you’re still watching the vids after all this time
Reminds me of Hypocrisy.
@@JacobMartin What is the stack to get that sound?
WOW The 2:32 drop is INSANE Like a wall of sound punching your face
I Watched it 1000 times
We all knew these were gonna be MONSTER riffs before even hearing them - was not disappointed!! 👊👊
Thanks Jack! 🤘🤘
Van halen used to write like this,basically eddie would write parts to Alex's ideas and that is why they were so good together and Ed ending up with odd time signiture riffs.
Oh sick!
This was the most unexpected and offensively good "Try not to headbang" challenge I have come across. I failed miserably. You and your bro are stellar.
Stay Rad!
This is actually a great way to come up with stuff you wouldn't normally play. The same goes to writing using Guitar Pro ONLY. No guitar sitting on your lap, just writing.
Muscle memory can fuck you up a lot when trying to come up with great riffs.
Awesome exercise, cheers
Dude how sick! Im beyond inpressed with the level of musicianship you boys got some skills. Nice licks for sure
As a solo musician who pays a drummer i always anticipate every piece and work towards it. Just work harder and play better
Everything sounds epic in this, but the bass and bass drums really drive thru the mix amazingly
Writing drums first is awesome cause you can create a more solid and groovy riff with more percussion variations.
That's how I write most of all my stuff lol. Just put on a drum groove and noodle around till something comes out. Is a great technique! Just wish I would play as half as good as you dude. Well done!
Ah you’re too kind man! Yeah It’s definitely a good way to get some ideas out
I must be "TH-cam-ing correctly" to get this recommendation! Thanks for this very cool share - entertaining and inspirational!
Bro you are fucking killling it. Riff 4 blew me away. Inspired me to pickup the axe again. Subscribed for sure.
That’s awesome to hear! Thanks dude
Every so often TH-cam actually recommends really good channels. This is one of those times the algorithm got it right
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The 3rd riff with the ghost notes! CRAZY! Great precision too!
the first riff had some killswitch engaged vibes
The second one is gnarly! Especially the pinch harmonic
The algorithm served me well with this recommendation. Killer video boys.
Thanks man!
Holy sheet. The second one NEEDs to be made into an actual song!
As a drummer and guitarist letting the drummer lay down some solid grooves and riffs first is sweet, who knows better accents combinations and rhythyms in general than the drummer
I get much Periphery vibes from how you come up with those riffs!
Killer playing dude, you have amazing picking technique and great riffin creativity!
i hear periphery and then like a smidge of slipknot gets thrown in there at times
Hell yeah I thought the exact same!
Periphery style chords, with August Burns Red grooves. I'm down with this sound tbh
You guys just listed some of my favourite bands haha, thanks for the kind words 🙏🤘
@@JacobMartin Thanks for the sick tunes!
Sick video. Great job showing the noodling around on the guitars digging for the idea instead of just what you ended up going with. It's great to see the work in the kitchen, rather than just enjoy the meal.
Oh man...this is so beautiful, haven't heard such a great riffs in a long time 👏🏻
Thanks dude!
I write 95% of our songs, like this; starting with our drummer: he plays, I riff, until we like something, then we build... I then develop the song structure, our bassist improves it, vocals comes up with melody, I write lyrics, vox rewrites lyrics, and when we put it all together, we play with it in different ways, until we find a standard... it's mostly based on having fun and each of us focusing on our strengths. it always produces something I like much more than the songs I write on my own, the whole way through... the songs we write together always end up surprising me and I tend to like the song more over time, whereas the songs I wrote on my own, tend to disgust me over time.
Great video!
The tone you use for the bass when you record the riff really has that August Burns Red thing going on. Great playing man, lots of creativity in those riffs!
That's the holy grail of guitar tone imo.
Man!
That was epic!
You play the guitar enthusiastically!
So much energy.....
I’m in my happy place when I play 😊
nice. my brothers are my band mates and i actually am working on a long drawn out riff about 30 seconds long that my brother wrote the drums for first. its a new kind of challenge i like,
I love when you can tell a song is percussion driven.
I am less than a min into the vid and had to pause to comment, I've been a musician and luthier for what feels like an age now and I am still amazed by drummers, I can drum a little (like very little haha) an average drummer would easily put me to shame, as such I am always enamored watching drummers. I so need a drum kit on my life hahaha.
This is the most intriguing music related video I've seen in quite a while. Fuckin well done!
Really glad you enjoyed it man! 🙏
Damnit. At 2:31 the riff sounds awesome dude. Nice one :D
A song with any one of these riffs would get immediately added to my playlist. The talent is off the scale!
Thanks so much man 🙏
In an old school studio done on tape it was always Drums, bass , guitars and vocals in that order 95 % of the time and you had to play all the way through sometimes punching in . Sure you could go to the next track but you were normally restricted to 24 tracks. A lot of techniques were developed and improvised to make room or clear tracks usually by ping ponging or bouncing tracks together.
Both of y’all are beasts!!!
The 1st and the 4th ones are just fabulous
I love the way you attack each phrase. The old man who yells at clouds inside me would prefer if you made things less intricate and more groovy, but I reeeaaallllyyy enjoyed this vid.
Appreciate the criticism, but also the compliment mate! 🤘 I do get carried away on the riffage sometimes, can’t help it hahaha
@@JacobMartin You're great, mate! I can't stress that enough. I totally understand about the need for riffage!!!
"Jacob Joseph Martin is an Indian cricketer. He is a right-handed middle-order batsman. Martin has appeared 10 times for India at One Day International level at the turn of the 21st century. He captained Baroda cricket team in the Indian domestic circuit."
Hmm, I think I wound up on the wrong wikipedia page.
You're getting a subscribe just for this and ESPECIALLY pinning the tunings and such.
I really appreciate the sub!
I personally prefer Having the Drums Written First. Because I am a Type of Guitarist that Heavily Relies On the beat. Since I am A Rhythm Type of Player not a Lead Type.. and Seeing this Video makes me Try on having my own Take on the Beats that are In Video. Nice GUITAR TAKES THERE MAN! LOVE THOSE!!
Dude, your brother is as good off a drummer as you are a guitarist! Excellent job to both of you!
The SPEED and precision, oh my lord. Divine guitarist.
I know nothing about guitars, but whatever you did to make your guitar have that sound, is epic. The tone is amazing. Great job!
Puts hats on, becomes metalcore
Awesome composition skills on those riffs, and those Chuggernauts, man what a delight... But most importantly; cat at the end of the video XD
Yeah gotta give Doug (our cat) some camera time as well! Also, Chuggernauts 😂
Sounds like In Flames and I love it.
This guy is absolutely insane- and deserves way more subs than 20K. Instantly subscribing !
Could listen to these all day
Nothing like some skatepunk drums to start off a metal song
Man, no idea why this came up on my feed but it’s sick 👍. Great work
What a combo. You guys killed it
That was really enjoyable to watch.
Like in every art form, I'm seeing that when good musicians intentionally f up their process of writing music, they unlock more creativity and come up with cooler/more unique stuff.
This is same for designers, artists, etc. I see designers with decades long experience intentionally challenge their creative process which results in more unique work.
We want more content like this! Killer shit man!
I’m glad you enjoyed! More content on the way :)
very periphery like, love it man
They way you‘re comming up with this stuff + watching you play is just completely out of this world, keep it up!
Thanks so much man!
Many legendary thrash/groove metal bands have brothers on guitar and drums, vocals optional. Pantera, Sepultura, Gojira, Lamb of God, Mushroomhead, Alien Weaponry (so you know it's eventual).
All of this riffs were incredible. Fantastic work man
First time seeing one of his videos and I don't know why I love his picking style so much. It's so violent and jerky and perfect and I can't get enough of it.
How you strum is so cool, quick flicks and efficient movements.
- *Coming from a newbie guitarist, so yeah.*
bro wut. this guys a riff machine
damn dude, i totally saw something like what you wrote for that first and second beat as something i would write given those same beats, but the riffing for the 3rd beat is something i would never been able to even invision with a beat like that, your writing is really creative, what a great musician!
Dude thanks so much!
👌👌👌
Stank face through all those riffs, terrific!
Brother is over here just low key doing an Angel Vivaldi... 😳
You're a hell of a guitarist.
God I need all of these as full song that was amazing
HOLY SHIT, that first riff was so freaking good!
Thanks Christoffer, glad you liked it man!
this is so satisfying to watch
As a solo artist i start with whatever instrument i have the idea for first. I might have a drum beat in my head i record that first. Sometimes i get an idea for a bass line so i start with that. Same with guitar. Just depends on how you want to work with it. Most of the time it works out well.
In my experience ideas coming first on strings (synth included) flows better than starting with drums or vocals
I've been using this method for years. I think it brings out some of the most interesting approaches to music
Dude your playing is absolutely ridiculous. Nice writing techniques. Extremely impressive keep going!
I appreciate the kind words Wayne!
These are some of the coolest riffs I've ever heard. My god my ears are thanking me so much right now.
That second one is SO fucking sick. I mean y’all are damn good musicians but that might be my fav
3rd and 4th sequences fucking caught me off guard on how lethal you were planning on takin the riffs and, did.
Perfect execution, brobeans 🤘🏽
I just found your channel, but your guitar playing just inspired me so much man. There is so much boring metal out there and this is straight up the opposite. I needed to hear this.
Also fun fact, I specifically only write riffs to drums that are laid out first!
DAYUM for jus phucking about this is sooo G O OD
Fav 2nd beat & ur insane riffage bruv. make an EP w/ that drummer
Ive had riff 2 stuck in my head for a couple days now,
you should definitely make some of these into a full song or something!
The drumbeats remind me of the agonist. They have an under rated drummer
Ok but why is no one talking about that 2nd riff??? Holy shit all of these are amazing and you need to make them into full songs
Riff and drums...Wow,that's amazing
So... yeah now we know why Rush has such crazy sounding riffs and strange changes. They recorded drums first. :D
Again, youtube's algorithm just made me discover another hidden gem. You both are very talented!
Awesome approach, I have tried it and it works really nice when one feels stuck on using the same kind of riffs. It also helps to get out of our comfort zone and experiment with other rhythmic possibilities. I used this approach on my upcoming album and it worked wonders. Thanks for sharing, you are an incredible player...I subscribed. Greetings from Puerto Rico!
Yeah man for sure! Thank you for the kind words as well
I really dig this man I love this format
1:45-2:10 I loved the dissonance into Jazx chords. Something I've strived to do and Jinjer actually succeeded at. I'd love to hear more of that, hell I'd love to create more of that but I struggle with getting the dissonance to come through.
At the very end right when the riff ended I saw the cat and went "mow" and it sounded epic lol
kitty mic drop
Hahaha hell yeah
Damn the second run thru of the second beat, the riff starts at about 3:16 and ends at the two down chugs at 3:20. That dissonant thing before the slide down into the down chugs. SO KILLER. Wish I could figure it out.
I second this notion!