Delivery Day: Haas VM-3 VMC | Would I Buy it Again? | Pierson Workholding
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- We just got our new Haas VM-3 VMC delivered! Today I’ll be doing a machine overview and if I would make this purchase again!
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It’s delivery day of yet another machine. No, it’s not a VF-2 SS, really popular machine. I’ve got several VF-2s. It is a Haas VM-3 vertical machining center (VMC). Now someone keeps saying there’s a recession. I don’t think so. We’re buying machines. We’re continuing to grow the company. We’re making smart buying decisions. Let’s get this guy moved inside!
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00:00 We got a Haas VM-3 Vertical Machining Center
00:32 Haas VM-3 Delivery
02:28 Another Special Delivery
04:18 Haas VM-3 Hooking Up
05:51 Why did I buy a Haas VM-3
08:23 Haas VM-3 Pierson Workholding Setup
10:35 This mod made our Haas VM-3 the most accurate machine in the shop
11:11 Haas VM-3 Auxiliary Air & Inside the Machine
14:02 Grid Pattern T-Slot Table
15:37 Spindle and Air Knives
19:08 Am I happy with my Haas VM-3 Vertical Machining Center
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Currently have 3 mazak VCN-570c mills sitting on the floor. Electrician can’t hook them up because they need 150 amp breakers that are backordered and he assumed we needed 100a and got those ahead. 😭
Great video Jay! For the T-slot covers, check out the silicone ones made by Octane Workholding. They work great on our VF2
+1 on the Octane covers
Agreed!
Great video and congrats on your newest machine. I like the Kaizen hand tool holders. That’s a great idea to keep your tools neatly organized.
Such a clean video! Love the breakdown of the process.
I always loved the X/Y T-slot of the VM machines for the flexible work holding, but I see that working better in a job-shop setting where you do a lot of funky setups vs a production setting where realistically once you set the job up, it stays that way indefinitely.
Great video! Thank you for great content. I noticed that the Kaizen foam bins are 3d printed. Maybe make a lip on the one with the micrometer a bit higher so in case the micrometer is poorly placed into the foam it does not just slide down and falls on the ground 😁
Thank you for continuing to support Haas
You should do a financial video series. I find that to be the more overwhelming part of creating and growing a business
For the table configuration problem, you can take a upper table with standard T slot configuration on the original table, like a pallet. Haas has a different size in catalog. Othervise you can see to catalog from different production company to pallet machines.
Moved 16t dmg 5x on skates last weak so yes they a good 😂 really appreciate your Typ of video style, like the call commmentory. It’s a nice change to the typical BOOOM every 3 seconds
Such a good, clean and honest review.
Thank you 😊
Thats so neat I didnt know they made a 5 axis rotary for the Haas! We have a few 4th axis rotary tables where I run production machines and adding a 5th axis (and finding a good programmer to go with it XD) would be fantastic for what we do!
I'm convinced there's no easier way to get into 5 axis work than by adding a TRT. Don't forget to get a RotoVise Pro too! :)
good video mr pierson..thanks for your time
I had two of these delivered last year. Love them.
That's great to know and makes me more confident about trying out the VM.
Cool vid! You should seriously consider getting some Octane Workholding Chip Guards
Our shop bought some a few months ago and there nice on the machines that we I stalled them on, need to order more.
That problem's already solved.
The air knife looks great. Misused brain power is a very good argument to automate the cleaning phase. I have one of those fans, it's a nice tool but it does create mist and a lot of noise. The nice thing is that I now know a job is almost finished as soon as I hear the fan blowing 🙂
I forgot to mention that air knives don't take up a tool position or have any moving parts to fly at the glass at mach 2.3 if they break.
Why would you want to run your spindle at 8k rpm's unnecessarily?
I can't stand those fans, but I pull spindles and don't like it when engineers run trochoidal cycles on box way machines, either.
Jay, appreciate your content and taking inspiration from you. 👍👍 Could you please tell us what is the key difference between Haas VF and VM series? Of course from your point of view. Yet another thing on airknife. I can see you blow the air straight down. This causes coolant and chips residues to stay on your part because they bounce back and forth with the surface of the fixture. You may tilt it a bit sideways to help those particle choose the direction of escape. Will it get rid of 100% waste - no, but it will massively reduce the remnants on your parts and fixture. Cheers!
I'll do a followup video on VF vs VM in 2023. No, the air knife does not cause things to bounce back and forth. The high volume of air causes chips and coolant to flow with the scattering of the air. We tried angling the air knife and it worked worse. Straight down is best.
I remember seeing that AvE put a crimped piece of copper pipe into his tool holder and using the through-spindle air, he essentially turned that into an air-knife and used that to blow off the work pieces after each setup. Perhaps a lot cheaper than an air knife, but maybe also not quite as efficient.
Found the link. th-cam.com/video/7VH3suYMTgA/w-d-xo.html
Watching AVE use his VM3 makes me cringe
@@michaelalcocer6778 true!
Yes, that or a chip fan. BUT, those solutions take up a tool position in the carousel and are much slower than an air knife.
@@PiersonWorkholding very fair points! Might be a good enough solution for a small production machine though.
Wonder why you didn't with Doosan. We have DNM4500 at work (aerospace) and they are beast with hard materials.
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Gracias!
one of my biggest gripes with haas is they mill there tables, like who the hell mills there tables? thats what a surface grinder is for
Or big old planer, like it was done on good old machinery.
@@hinz1 we got a new vf-5 in our shop and the tabld didnt even get milled in one shot, it has two seperate mill paths at the end of the table and they are a .002 difference then the rest of the table, how can you send a machine out like that
About that air knife... Wouldn't it be better to mount it at an angle, rather than blowing straight down?
The marking on toolholders at 5:20 - is that normal wear or fretting?
I'm a HAAS owner, and must say I wouldn't have bought that VF3 the first time. HAAS quality has really slipped (cheapened up the machines), downtime gone up, and dealer service is severely lacking.....
Have you ever used a chip fan instead of the air knife edge? Curious on the advantages of each.
I could see the main disadvantage of the chip fan is you need an extra tool change, and it is one less pocket in the carousel to hold a tool.
@@MakeItWithCalvin I never thought of it like that. I went with the fan since my compressor isn't very big and probably wouldn't keep up.
@@tylergilbertson4086 in your case the fan makes more sense. In the end, it is about using what you got.
We used to use chip fans but they blow air on a smaller area and therefore are slower. As others mentioned, they take up a valuable tool position. They also have moving parts which are literally dangerous projectiles when they fail. Air knives have no moving parts, are very consistent and require no maintenance.
What kinda finish do you have on the shop floor? How do you like it? Would you do it again in your next shop?
Epoxy coating. Love it. Would do it again even if it cost double.
Can someone tell me the song name that plays along with the video
So did the HFO transfer the 4th/5th axis drives and tcpc/dwo option from the new purchase to the old?
Yes, they transferred the drives, but I didn't buy the dwo option.
I was wondering if you had any thoughts on TRT-160 vs TR-160? I'm wondering if the TR-160 will make better parts as it's supported in both ends, but it takes up more room though.
I don't know enough about the TRs but the fact that the TRT platter is close to the A axis bearing makes it very rigid.
Maybe you need a Saunders pallet on that machine to fix that table issue. 😎
That's a great idea!
Umc 500 surface finish Vs your vf4 /trt210 rotory surface finish?
Better on a vf for 5th?
Surface finishes on the TRT210 are better than the UMC.
you can use saran wrap to keep the chips out of the T-Slots
Octane Workholding makes nice T-Slot covers that are easily cut to fit with a utility knife. Can remove them and reinstall them infinitely.
Saran wrap would last a few seconds, we use the Octane covers too.
Try saran wrap and let us know how it works.
“If your gonna do it! Do it on a HAAS!”
@12:40 this is exactly how i run my machines.
Has anyone really like that cross T-Slot design? Heard nothing but inconveniences with it. You can't put bolts down precisely at a specific X spot anymore, depending on the job. You're locked into those slot spacings.
It’s a bit weird isn’t the US in a recession? Feels not really like go strong 💪
Why are you not buying a Hermle? Or a DMG? are they so more expensive?
Haas is economical/cheap compared to eirther of those two machines.
Is this the cheerleader building from the last video?
Yes
@@PiersonWorkholding You guys move fast! Congrats on the new digs.
have had a VM for a couple years now. we're a job shop doing a lot of die work in tool steels with 3 axis surfacing creates a lot of fine chips.
table is a pain to clean. it's been a love hate relationship. my solution has been, i don't clean out the t slots until i absolutely have to. just keep it brushed off level with the table. don't want to let it go to long though or the crap really gets packed in. so usually clean the slot out like once a week.
yeah, i know, lazy😎
great machine though. would pick it over a VF every time. unless i was doing long production runs.
agree on the recession comment. we bought a UMC 500 this year. been pretty busy
cheers
May want to get or print key way covers. We have several different sizes all the way to an inch. Saves a bunch of time at the end of the day.
May want to get or print key way covers. We have several different sizes all the way to an inch. Saves a bunch of time at the end of the day.
Lol, I love it! "Overprocessing" is one of the 8 wastes we avoid so no shame in that. Plus, packed chips are the new table surface.
What, glass scales or what?
Back in the 1980's on German/Swiss machines, it was normal to have them, Fansuck controls and Haas are just to cheap to have them.
Scales are an option on Haas.
The recession is not for the rich the recession is on the poor believe me I know I'm one of those four you turn it over a million dollars or several million dollars even if you turn over $100,000 a year the recession is not really touching you that bad when you're making $20,000 a year 17,000 a year 25,000 a year recession is kicking your butt so things on what brackets you're in for you to be able to call a recession