Disaster on Manaslu: 26 Sept '22 - Pro Skier Missing & Avalanche - & 'New" Summit Changes the Game
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- Manaslu: Summits, Deaths, Chaos - by Angele Benevides
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Angela Benevides of Explorers Web discusses the 2022 post monsoon season on Manaslu and the potential for difficulties with the nearly 1,000 people endeavoring to climb to the 'new' summit.
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Thom: Thanks for all of that, these are items, interviews and discussions we would not receive on any other channel.
I struggle with bucket list clients (most whom have never seen much less used an ice axe or crampons until base camp) who are dragged up trophy peaks then have the gall to claim they 'climbed' it. They have no place on these mountains.
Re the garbage issue, you use it on the mountain you bring it back down. If you are not capable of that stay at home.
Great channel thanks.
Richard, thank you for your thoughts ! I appreciate it, and will keep bringing more....
Gosh seven hundred waiting to summit. Very hard to imagine it going smoothly. Just the added weight! Thanks Thom keep us posted!
There's a traffic jam in Manaslu.
Thanks Thom for the update. prayers for all those involved in the accident.
Steve, indeed! Thanks so much...and, I'll keep up with the latest and bring an update soon.
RIP Hilaree Nelson you were a legend and your many achievements are a genuine motivation for us all!!
On a separate very different type of sad note mountain tourism which I used to be a supporter of as it gave climbers and mountaineers the opportunity to get to peaks without the logistical nightmare of organising a full expedition however it has now reached a point that the mountains cannot cope with the huge volume of “climbers” attempting peaks that many haven’t the knowledge or experience to be on and with that out-pricing many of us that could legitimately and safely attempt it.
Dougal, thanks for your insights and for your comment. I appreciate it. Yes, there is an onslaught of new mountaineers out there, supported by an increasing amount of operators who have, essentially, dialed in the method of getting to the top. Accidents and fatalities will surely occur...but the general sense of serenity and pristine wilderness is changing in the major peaks of the Himalaya and beyond. Thanks for watching!
It’s funny because at first I was like, “look at this BS commercialization and these rich assholes trying to get themselves killed. By the end I was like, “That ridge looks epic, I would love to climb it.”
I have no alpine experience and no business being up there but I understand the lure. Dangerous situation.
Todd, I hear you! It does look epic up there....but, truth be told, no way in hell I'd go up there until every commercial team was off the mountain and on their way home. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
Wow Thom! Thank you so much for this update! I’m glad I had my notification on.
Thank you Trish, much appreciated!
Still more informative than what we go today from ABC. Thanks for sharing excellent perspective.
thank you so much for your clarity and I trust your reporting over so many other people
Love Allan Arnette as well and looking forward to seeing his next video about his take on this
Sheila, thanks so much for watching and for being a part of this 🙏
Thank you for your hospitality. I am interested in hearing about mountain adventures and though I can't do so myself I do enjoy the subject. I had a couple of questions that I had always wished to ask and was shocked at the hostility on another unnamed channel that my innocent question brought out. I found your show and was greatly relieved to be answered by you with such graciousness. Thank you.
Thank you for being here. No matter your opinion or question, you'll not get any hostility here. Any of that I quash as quickly as possible. Do keep in mind that once I comment on a comment, I'm not notified of additional comments....so, sometimes things happen that I'm not aware of. You're always welcome here and I'm happy that you took the time to watch this video. Cheers and thank you! -Thom
WOW!!! This is just amazing. And heartbreaking. How what should be such a singular experience is so commercialized and is now more like a festival than a climbing expedition. That doesn't make the loss of life from the avalanche any less tragic. Thanks for sharing this....always great content.
Brendan, so true. I honestly, think this is not the end of the sadness this year on Manaslu. The weather has been bad and there are tons of people waiting for their turn. Thank you as always for watching!
Sigh. This is why my family stopped going to some of these previously wonderful places. We don't want to be a part of the despoilation of the sublime places. Quite apart from the entire issue around too many under experienced/not capable people getting into trouble
Dawn, I hear you...but, truth be told, these are beautiful places that rely on people coming in and visiting for their livelihoods. That said, visiting a quiet place that is uncrowded surely is appealing in contrast to an overcrowded trekking route. Thanks Dawn for watching and for sharing your thoughts! More on Manaslu coming soon....
Did Mims & his Nepali Sherpa crew actually climb the true summit of Manaslu for their documentary Project Possible? If not they need to do it all over again.
Sad news for those involved. How much has the summit changed?
There are photos and drone shots of it in the interview....not a long distance but when you see it you can see how steep and unforgiving the terrain is.
I don’t care about Messner saying that nowadays climbers are tourists, not alpinists. You summit any of the 8kers, you’re an alpinist.
Commercial 8000+ meters peak climbing, the World and its people has truly gone insane. I suspect 95% do it for their Ego and pictures... There is so many other hard things to do in life, build your own house or something :)
Took a $99 Everest tour flight while in Nepal, and visited Muktinath at around 4000 meters by car and some walking. more than enough! Nepal and the Himalayas are amazing, no need to risk your precious life when there are so much other adventure to do and wonderful people to meet...
Couldn't agree more (at my age lol). Yes, the onset of commercial mountaineering has opened the world to people who normally would never have even considered such endeavors. Thanks for watching, appreciate your comments
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It was an ice avalanche, a huge section broke free, the leading edge full of ice, looked bad.
Regards human waste at camps, 55gal barrels, insulated, keep hydrated lime to dust now & then balances pH, kills bot flys & odors as it fills, cap with a hose outlet for the methane, if kept warm it biodegrades rather quickly in rotation. It may be best to not move barrels, move the seat like portables over a full one.
At Mt.Rainier they just flew out full ones, they were gross to use, they didn't use lime dusting, that's from the 1930s forest outhouse manuals. With solar panels & heat-tape it biodigests to a sludge to fly out far less, no flys, less foul odors. Lime is used to make mortar for bricks comes in 10lb/7.5kg bags, it'll burn hands too alkaline, use vinegar rinse.
The sludge is good for soils if loosely buried in trenches mixed with dirt turns soil black in 2yrs ... any pile of glacial dirt will do.
Thx for news & tho'ts 🍺
Tom, spot on, thank you!
Great interview
Thanks my friend, glad that you enjoyed it!
Great interview, but that footage was not shot with drone. It is shot with insta360 camera as it says in the video describtion on Instagram 7:24 top right side.
Absolutely, it was one of those 360 cams....there's a note about it under the video. I finally did find the drone footage (stills at least) and posted a short about it. Cheers and thank you for watching!
Sad news indeed
:( truly....
Are these people trying to summit being coppered to BC or are they trekking to BC ?
I'd venture to say the vast majority are trekking there. I'll get more intel for you on this....
That's somehow a nonsense. If you reach the really top, or you chose 50me below to turn back bcz of others delay you and you may can't make it back in time. It makes more sense beeing allive. And in my opinion you were up on top.
wtf who cares about a few feet, thats nonsense
Pretty crazy, indeed! Technically speaking, it's important, per se....however, I personally can't imagine returning to the mountain a decade after climbing it to 'reclaim' the actual summit. Some commercial guiding companies are making insane amounts of money on this. Thank you for watching!
I just climb lower type mountains and that is good enough for me. However, it is a bit arrogant for the ‘professional type climbers,’ to constantly dump on the ‘tourist type climbers,’ and to complain about the trash, etc., etc.. I often get the impression that the professional types actually build up their weak egos by building down the ‘tourist types,’ and all the problems the come with this type of tourism.
Totally hear you....this is a thought worth examining. I honestly still look at myself as a novice, as there are so many who have done so much more than me in the mountains. For me, the idea is not to look down on the tourist type climbers (I applaud their desire to experience it) as much as looking at the growth of the industry and how it is doing anything and everything to fill the summit slots, ultimately exploiting the mountains and the new generation of mountaineers. Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
Interesting stuff. Well in the name of wokeism and proper pronouns the peak needs to be named personaslu.
Love it! (In Nepal the name Manaslu means mountain of the spirit, which is actually pretty cool)
@@EverestMystery Is it normal to climb this late in the year?
@@czarcastic1458 there is a pre-monsoon season, which wraps up at the end of May....then a post monsoon season, which is now....although, the pre-monsoon season is dryer and warmer. Back in the day, it was thought that a post monsoon climb would ensure less crowds. The irony!
Greed is the factor here....from guides to summit collectors. Not even impressive anymore ....just pissing contest
I don't feel sorry for any of those folks....Good way to get rid of stupid people!!!
It's not drinking and driving. Eight billion inhabitants on the planet....so many ways to express the unlimited ways to bring ourselves to the world.
That's not a drone
I figured it out too late to fix it in the video….got me twice actually. One of those GoPro things on a pole. Interesting tho, drones on a budget and no flight plan! Lol cheers and thanks for watching!
All these people for 100 ft is insane, people are losing their minds xD
Got that right!
Maybe everyone that wants to climb these mountains needs to re-plant forests, and rehabilitate wildlife habitat, before they’re allowed to climb these mountain peaks. It’s only fair, since they have disposable income, and are otherwise just selfish, egotistical, and messy with their money, and egos, trying to summit mountains, and think they’re so special for doing so., when they’re really not, and they’re actually just trashing the place. This mentality and the ensuing culture of colonizers and conquerors hasn’t ever, and still isn’t, really doing anything for anyone or this planet, which the planet really should be everyone’s priority. Not how many peaks you’ve summited. Come on, people. Wake up, please! It’s like, duh!
I appreciate your thoughts. I often think the same thing about, say, cruise ships....for sure there are many ways supposedly better to spend one's disposable income. Just driving a car, leaving it in idle when we warm it up before work, how much CO2 are we putting into the atmosphere? Perhaps we should plant a tree every day we use our car to drive to work....truly, owning a car is a privilege and not a right. Hearken to the days that we were able to get where we needed on horseback. The planet indeed is being exploited. The meat industry creates so much suffering.... I include myself in the category of people who have had the privilege of doing things that in the big picture have no lasting impact on the planet. I'm thankful that I survived some harrowing experiences up high in the mountains, so that I can talk about it and hopefully inspire people to follow their dream and to respect other individuals' free will choices. Truly appreciate your comments, thank you
@@EverestMystery Thank you! I appreciate yours, too. Thanks for your response.
I am a bit of a spiritual philosopher type. I love to seek knowledge and sharpen and develop my conscious awareness. I love history, in particular natural history, and world history. And, I feel that the downfall of man occurred with the domestication and farming of animals.
The domestication and farming of animals brought about the ensuing overpopulation of agricultural-urbanized humans, who are highly dependent upon this system, and who overpopulated and colonized the planet. Dominating tribal-indigenous societies, and destroying the biomass of wild flora and fauna, in the wake of this colonization.
This destruction of the planet has occurred only over course of the last 10,000 years. And this time frame only represents 5% of our human history.
We existed in tribal indigenous societies for 95% of our human history before that, and in that time we managed to maintain the biomass of wild flora and fauna, and not overpopulate, or destroy, and destabilize our climate. Which is exactly what has occurred in the last 10,000 years and 5% of our human history.
Free the humans. Return to the Source. Go back to the Garden. And, end all support of the animal agriculture industry worldwide effective immediately, including all animal based pharmaceuticals like vaccines, etc! Those are my mottos! Plant trees. Eat plants. Plants only always FTW! Plant based nutrition and herbal medicine is the way. Through Veganic Permaculture and gardening methods! Rehabilitating wildlife habitat, while creating and growing food forests and edible landscapes!