So Ariana Grande wants to be Asian now... Oli London who?
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So Ariana Grande wants to be Asian now... Oli London who?
#arianagrande #asianbaiting #asian
Ariana Grande literally said *"switching ethnicities for you"* 💀
FR OMG 💀
byEEEEE
Whereeee😭
lmaooo
PLSSSS- 💀
the fact that I've seen Indian girls classified as blasian so many times is just a testament to how much ppl don't see indians as asians
Thank you omfg
ifstg
What does blasian mean?
@@snowfallblues227 black asian
@@snowfallblues227 black and Asian
I’m so unused to seeing Ariana Grande not wearing darker foundation/un tanned. I began to forget that wasn’t her real complexion.
No literally.
right i couldn’t put my finger on why she looked so DIFFERENT. as a black girl and someone who enjoys her music , i really hope this is more about fitting the us beauty standard (mostly based on asian features as of late 🤡) than intentionally looking like a race …
all i have to say is, sorry my skin color isn’t trendy anymore :)
so many people claim that it’s because she’s italian… like no? self tan clearly has something to do with it
@@misslaurynhill i think she stopped tanning so harshly bc it was obvious she was imitating black women, this is more subtle
@@cinnamon5675 True. I literally hate how people (mostly Americans) excuse blackfishing/intentionally appearing racially ambiguous because of person's nationality/nationality of their ancestors. Like dude, no. Have you even seen an Italian who's Caucasian irl? Like Ariana? Those people are unmistakably white. Same goes for white (I specify this coz you know people of the same nationality can be of different race, different range of skin tones of course) Spanish people, white Croatians or Greeks. If an American said this to a South European's face, that they are not white because they tan more easily, they would either get fuckin offended or confused lol. Italian doesn't equal racially ambiguous. 🤦🏻♀️
"arigato grande" bye😭
Ariana-chan 🥺👉👈
@@absolutelynotellen NO-
@@absolutelynotellen STAWP--
@@absolutelynotellen TY FOR MAKING ME CACKLE😭😭
@@absolutelynotellen she's so kawaii desu uwu!!!
TALK 👏🏿ABOUT 👏🏿THE 👏🏿COLORISM
@@bittersweet_citrus YES
@@yesyes5358 she’s a dark skin black woman who has spoken about her experiences with colorism before. This is not only her place but it’s her area of EXPERTISE lol
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i think it's less a case of "she wants us to think she's literally asian" and more of a "ariana, as a white woman, has a history of applying the aesthetics of whatever race is popular onto herself and use that for profit" which is why people made so many memes of her collecting races like infinity stones.
It’s so gross of her
yes exactly
yeah it just keeps happening and it makes it seem like a lot less of a coincidence
LMAO google Epstein island and how America is in world court RIGHT NOW over the rampant pedophilia that the majority of hollywood was involved in… but we all think this is important.
@@amainstreamdeath7545 of course there are other huge problems that need to be addressed, but that doesn't mean this shouldn't be talked about....tf?
One can't speak about the same great issues all the time and people are free to make videos and speak their mind about what they want.
I'm South Asian and I personally appreciate you bringing up the whole thing with Asians being associated with paleness because exactly like what you said it promotes colourism and the continued stereotype of "who's Asian and who's not. "
THIS.
I live in Nebraska and we were always taught that people from Southern Asia or the Middle East weren't to be called Asian because they had darker skin. When I met a person from China for the first time (who had dark skin), we had a conversation about colorism pertaining to Asia. I had to unlearn all of the stereotypes and colorism I was taught. Sometimes I still catch myself hanging onto a stereotype, and people like Frederic really help the process.
@@gordonramsayslambsauce Yeah exactly :( it's horrible because we're taught to hate our skin colour for not being either peach or shades lighter in both Asia and the Western world, (while in Western countries white people are allowed to tan to our tones and get praised.) And then one day we just discover that no it's fine to be the skin tone you are, and infact you're absolutely stunning! And we also have to deal with getting kicked out of our continent because we don't define a stereotype of what "looking Asian" means. It's frustrating because people still say stuff like this. And don't get m started on how Southeast Asians don't exist to some people and are grouped in with East Asians. "Oh she's Filipino? I thought she was Chinese, cause I think Asia is just Chinese." I heard a classmate say this about someone else. Like how are people still this uneducated??
Im Filipina and i hateeeddd my skin colour (filipino beauty standards too) but I was made fun of for not being asian enough and other stuff. The eyes, the accent, the skin colour.
We have a big issue with asian stereotypes huh...
@@gordonramsayslambsauce ppl from the middle east and some south asians (like pakistanis and indians) are not asian tho. that’s like saying arab/koptic egyptians are black just because they’re from africa.
non-asians telling asians that "you're stupid for supporting ari " really goes to show that their "allyship" is performative. similarly, non-asians telling asians that "you're stupid for criticizing ari" is really toxic because the conversation doesn't pertain to you. SPEAK UP BUT NOT OVER!!
"Speak up but not over" I love that phrase now that I've heard it
i love that saying at the end haven't seen anyone use a better analogy
but this is what y’all were telling us when she was black-fishing 🥴
this reminded me that non spanish speaking people wanted to put words in OUR vocabulary like latinxs 💀
That part
She keeps adapting other ethnicities features whenever it becomes trendy.
But she never goes full on cultural appropriation, it's always more subtle and vague than all the others who do it.
It feels very strategic and unsettling.
i think it’s kinda complex because i don’t think it was her intention to look like another race per-say, it was probably her intention to follow beauty standards which are currently based on another race. the problem doesn’t lay on ariana or other celebrities’ shoulders who submit to these standards, but beauty standards themselves for having racial undertones.
@@hannah-eg9ns yeeeaah that's why I'm not 100% sure how to feel about this. Then again I think it's important to do your research, especially when you are planning on following said beauty standards, and the implications that goes with it.
@@disappointing. it’s because it’s weird!
@@disappointing. maybe it's because she's adapting features from races that the respected people from that race get shamed for all the time. I understand that sometimes people should just mind their own business but if poc feels like she's using their features as an aesthetic than you can't tell them not to feel that way. And yeah, it's also because it's weird af
@@disappointing. obviously it's because she's adapting features that just don't belong to her? Even I appreciate let's say uh Korean aesthetics, I don't have to try to look like them to show that. Like there's nothing wrong with a Tan but Ariana also tanned a WHOLE lot darker than her actual skin tone and adapted AAVE. Rather she knew it or not, she was taking from a culture that she didn't need to. Same with now, she's adapting to what's popular and I'm sure she'll do it again. And yeah, the fact that she takes these features that people of that race get shamed for is a problem. There's a reason why poc people are angry and that's because Ariana isn't Asian, black, Latino, ext. However she's taking their features and using them to profit just by looks. Like are you serious 🧍🏾♀️
remember when people used to say ''she is naturally super tan and dark skin its not blackfishing'' but now they are like ''she is naturally pale and the lighting was weird its not asianbating'' like?? pick a struggle
RIGHT
IM SAYING
PREACH
Enter *Indians* - some of us have to face this struggle daily. I go out in the sun for 3 days and tan, so I am dusky, while I stay back indoors during winter and now I am pale like a ghost.
Unless Ariana has even a sliver of our genetics, she is facing with a bigger problem than asian baiting / blackfishing.
then I wish the criticism would go to them, not her. Remember that celebrities dont control every fan.
I just found out Ariana Grande got a Japanese tattoo that doesn't even match the meaning she wanted 🥲 also I want to point out that plastic surgery is 100% a factor into looking more racially ambiguous, and correct me if I'm wrong but as of right now, Ariana denies having any plastic surgery even though many plastic surgeons have pointed out that's not possible due to her face and eye shape changing. Someone actually said she received a surgery that lifts the eye, similar to the surgery Bella Hadid received and it actually makes the double eyelid/crease less pronounced. Mina Le made a great video about plastic surgery, I linked it in the description!
I want y'all to know that you should NOT look up to people who have had plastic surgery as the peak of beauty, because it's technically artificial and you'll set unrealistic expectations for how your body and face should look. Puberty does not change your facial structure into a different race. Accepting yourself is a journey, building self-esteem is hard (I'm making that video soon don't worry).
❤️
:)
in her defense, she had been studying japanese for years before she got her palm tattoo that her tutor wrote for her 😭
@@dinya.02 and she was still WRONG after taking LESSONS?
As someone who IS racially ambiguous, it’s frustrating to watch as the features that have caused me to have an *extreme identity crises* - become a trend. As a mixed person it can be VERY challenging to feel like you fit into any group - but people trying to be racially ambiguous for the aEsTHeTiC erase the voices and the struggles of ACTUALLY racially ambiguous people. I don’t know how to identify and I never know whether I am crossing a line or just being myself. It’s hard.
Dude same. Im asian and black so I really get that. Its so frustrating and the worst part is feeling not accepted by family or potentially friend groups because of their racism to half of your heritage.. because of that and some other factors I personally feel so disconnected from who i am in that respect because of the fact that I am mixed
EXACTLYYYY, AND ITS GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I CANT TELL IF I LOOK WHITE BECAUSE SO MANY WHITE PEOPLE LOOK RACIALLY AMBIGUOUS NOW
THANK YOU?? It fucking haunts me tbh and being "racially ambiguous" myself, it irks me so much. Can we just stop making etchic facial and body features into trends?
I can relate girl, I'm biracial (half white half brown asian), and I remember getting made fun of pretty much all of my facial features when I was younger, especially my skin tone, eyes and full lips. I was considered 'ugly' by some of these fellow white classmates when I was younger, but when beauty standards changed, I was suddenly hot, and I saw that people are adapting features similar to mine and it's pissing me off. For some people to even have the audacity to ask If I gotten plastic surgery done to look the way I do is making me really anrgy, especially considering I got bullied for these features as a child.
Yes
Besides your well put together view and points;
The beauty standards over the world are slowly melting together faster and faster, we have to be honest about that
and we're all on the rollercoaster
@@FredericChen and im the one controlling it
@@Medeinathetrashcan334 and i’m controlling you
@@nauseainc4767 and i’m overseeing your manipulations
@@GuyBradburyy And I’m reading your comment
It’s giving “Arigato, next” 🥺🦄
“Kamsamida, next!”
@@M00NL9GHT 💀💀
It’s the way I thought Ariana was Latina for years 😟
the tan and makeup makes her look latina ig. edit: correct me if im wrong lol.
@@carson2913 Tan makeup its a Latina look it's the same as saying Pale makeup it's Asian, in Latin America not everyone is brown there's black and white people as well, the stereotypical Latino image its not 100% real, and sadly Latin America its generally represented only with Mexico
@@anapaez7953 im spanish and cuban mixed with american and i didnt get the tanness my sisters got so most people think im just white
@@turtlesong2623 its the same for me and my sister we have white skin and born in Colombia, and our cousins are brown, so it's like that, everyone is different here..
I always thought she was Italian, which she is.
Italians, especially from near the Mediterranean actually tans easily due to their skin type but then there are some who are really pale.
Their skin is more olive toned which means if they lack exposure to sun they get really pale and if they get exposed to the sun they get really tanned. 😅
Anyway, that's just a piece of information about Italians.
I’m so glad you mentioned darker Asians because my grandma is from Thailand and has much darker skin but I never really see anyone mention south-east (and other) Asians having darker skin
Hello fellow darker skin asian 🙌🇮🇩
I’m Asian and I’m dark-skinned too!
asain and dark skinned as well here! im sri lankan what abt yall?
And Filipinos
@@whoswallowing I am from Pakistan
People: Ariana has naturally dark skin
Also people: Ariana has natural light skin
Thank you!
They just make any excuse for her its almost funny 💀
switching them skin shades for youuu
It's the delulu fans keep switching shi up bout their controversial singer
I personally think it’s on the editors and those who do her makeup :^ therefore she hasn’t had her own response to these accusations
this is hardly new though. for the longest time i thought ariana was a person of color before i realised she wasn't. as a south asian person, it makes me sick that actual people of color have to face racism while white people can just choose to adopt different racial features whenever they deem it 'trendy' and people praise them for it
same I really thought she was poc
Americans love to say she's a POC because she's italian (?)
I genuinely thought she was Hispanic 🥲
dude i thought she was latina until like 3 years ago omg
Yeah if you're blind and stupid you could think she is a "poc" normal people know she is not a "poc"
His comedy can be hit or miss and jokes about your ex are usually pretty cringey, but Pete Davidson said the funniest thing about what she does during his comedy special. "My career would be over tomorrow if I spray-painted myself brown and hopped on the cover of Vogue magazine and just started shitting on my ex.”
And he's right. The way she presents herself WOULD be career ending if it were done by someone else. It's her brand, though, and it won't be changing anytime soon.
I remember when Ari Stans were attacking Pete for that "joke"(which is true) :/
@@akasuki9614 no they where attacking him for joking about trapping Ariana by hiding her birth control and him joking about her trauma and an terrorist attack…
that made me laugh
@@andiro9340 I mean... he's a comedian. That's his humor.
@@andiro9340 he also makes joke about his dad who passed away during 9/11 though. So I guess it's his kind of humor
i’m half west asian (lebanese) and i agree with the whole “asian is not just east asian” asia is such a broad continent with many asian countries and ethnic groups. korean, japanese and chinese aren’t the only ethnic groups.
YOURE SO RIGHT. im indian and for years, i havent seen a brown person on my screens in hollywood. asians are growing in the media, but its never south asians of any kind or any asian outside of the main three
Lesbian?
@@sharkawakaorb9220 don’t even
@@sharkawakaorb9220 stop. Unless you're thinking of Glee, stop
@@ananyasampathkumar3832 I wanna say that there's a new love interest in Bridgerton who's a dark skin Indian woman, and there's one of the main characters in a show of Sex Lives of College Girls (weird name I know). I don't wanna list those as if saying, "at least you got something (I hate that line). But more of recommendations
From Africana to Asiana, it takes some nerve and skill tbh.
LMAOOO
She was never black. Just tan ya'll are fucking blind.
so only black people can be “tan”? she doesn’t even look black with her tan 😭😂😂 y’all so stupid
@@enjajajajaja She was a bit too dark though. But I think she took the criticism well, which shows that shes mature.
Here though, wow, such asian baiting. Everyone knows that small eyebrows are copyrighted, so are eyeliners and any outfit that anyone whos asian has ever worn. Sweaters? im sure asian people wear sweaters, so we are all problematic.
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it’s so frustrating and confusing for me to comprehend that people thing ethnicities are “trendy” like huh😀 so weird how people go from oppressing to fetishising in like a minute
I know right? I found this happens a lot with White people in particular. They want to be whatever ethnicity or race is "in" but don't want the problems that come with being that race. How convenient fot them. 😐🙄
I'm white so I've never experienced this, but it has to be doubly frustrating when these features are seen as "trendy" now when a lot of these features were the cause of bullying and being made fun of for POC growing up
THIS. I was bullied for being asian in the area I grew up in for 10 yrs of my childhood and after moving and dealing with ppl suddenly approaching me BECAUSE I'm asian felt so weird and uncomfortable??
although that might have to just be due to the difference in culture in certain areas/parts of the US, it still weirded me out a ton-- and while I'm alright with people liking aesthetics of a certain look that might lean towards a certain ethnicity, just straight up fetishizing is just... why?
It’s so weird how white people can’t just appreciate a culture, they have to *become* that culture.
and even fetishize and then oppress at the same time😀😀😀
i love your outfit Frederic 😍😍 and i love your style, it inspires me to not stick to hyper masculinity as a trans guy. Of course i get dysphoric if i wear too feminine looks, but it makes me a lot more comfortable knowing that you can still be masculine if you wear feminine type clothing/accessories
Literally same
@@maxrobinson4835 i know right??
Same! I’m a trans guy and honestly I love wearing dresses and makeup and cute things, fashion is for everyone :)
Same -your local trans guy
Dude same, I really like cute stuff and feminine things and I love seeing cis guys share my interest and love for femininity
The problem with the US beauty trends is that they don’t seem to understand that you can find someone pretty without trying to look like them, you can think that asians, Latinos and black ppl are gorgeous without changing your appearance to look like us.
But like...why would you not try to?
Obviously- everyone knows you can appreciate something without wanting to BE it. But you have to understand it's also normal to want to. Like dyeing your hair.
@@lemon_boii1074 Hair dyeing isn't the same as race changing bruh
Well duh. But the question still stands. Why not try to look like them ? Not in an obsessed way, ofc. Just in a normal aesthetic type of way if you know what I mean.
@@OriginalJohnnyCage i know it isn't. And I'm not saying to change your whole race.
But wanted to make your eyes look more slanted really shouldn't be this big a deal.
Especially when a lot of Asians make their eyes look biger and more western-like.
This next question you can totally ignore if you don't feel comfortable responding, but are you American?
@@littlekei8052 exactly! I've seen people get so obsessed with this and while i do understand where they're coming from, some things I've seen have become truly ridiculous.
Just Today i saw a TikTok of a girl saying white people couldn't use pink controllers because that is asian fishing and catering to the male gaze because wanting a pink controller is to appear cute and kawaii, which is just a persona and does not represent true Asians, which is ✨ obviously ✨ problematic because it is catering to the submissive Asian girl stereotype.....
Like i shit you not, someone older than me really thought this through enough to post a video about it. Like. We're gatekeeping pink CONTROLLERS Now???
What have we come to???
Fun fact: Some indigenous groups in southern mexico also have monolids! It's not uncommon (where I live, in southwest mexico) to see people with indigenous ancestry being brown skinned but also having features associated with East Asia and the Pacific Islands.
This has something to do with how the American continent was populated. The most accepted theories nowadays speak about different migrations including different ethnic groups (mainly from northeast Asia and the Pacific Islands!!).
There are also some ethnic groups in Africa that have monolids, iirc. (I have a very basic knowledge of some of the facial features in different groups just bc I try to make my drawings anatomically correct, but I haven't done a lot of studying on the subject)
My Mexican-American aunt said that she was often mistaken for Vietnamese in the city she lived in when she was younger. She has more almond shaped eyes the verge on monolid compared to my mom and other aunt.
Not only Indigenous Mexicans but most Indigenous groups in the American continent, in fact! From Mesoamérica to the Andes to Amazônia and Brasil as a whole. It's really really common.
Texan who is Mexican here. There is a wide range of the Mexican people here who have the monolid look. I am not one of them, however I know that there are many because I work in retail and I see 1,000s of people everyday. It’s a really cool spectrum.
True! And South Asians, specifically North East Indians can also have monolids
I saw a few comments saying Ariana Grande hasn’t black fished. News flash: She has. People need to understand blackfishing doesn’t have to be intentional. She benefits from adopting characteristics of black and brown bodies. She earns money for it. The reason we’re angry is because she represents a fetishization of poc. No she can’t “fix” racism, but the least she can do is listen to our voices and take responsibility as an influential figure.
PREACH it's why I stopped being a fan of her because she literally has let this issue surpassed for years but what do they care they only care on selling their music
@@Unavailablea4 no they dont. the world isnt black and white. this doesnt make her some demon who only cares about money. please drop that.
@@mhm77887 ikr :(
The problem is she wasn’t the one who was tanned, nor was she the person who adjusted the edit to make her skin look dark, if anything it should be the people in the background who put this on her blamed for.
she was mixed fishing. i'm saying this as a black woman. i fully agree that she still needs to be held accountable because she's a rich & famous white woman, capitalizing off of the features of poc.
Honestly as an italian I'm SO tired of people thinking that Italians are POC and therefore using it as an excuse to Ariana's blackfishing.
Like, yes, some of us tan really easily but it's NEVER to the point of looking black or being mistaken for one, unless they are actually black or mixed which definitely isn't Ariana's case.
(I didn't even know about this until I watched some videos (made by black people) that talked about the topic on youtube. what I wrote in my comment is based only of off those videos).
The only thing that made them think she is black is her tan. She doesn't look like a black woman. She have a very eurocentric features. And all the tans she have had, she have naturally achieved it with sun tan. She is tanning to the shade naturally achievable to her and that's the issue?
@@enternalmoonlightyou haven't seen a lot of black people features only the ones that's around you based on my experience there are lot of people who are black that has quote on quote European features take for example ethiopia women who are fully black who has European features
THIS.
We just, sometimes, really tend to tan easily, but that's not the standard for everyone, too!
In my family, i'm so pale that i could be mistaken for a vampire, i can't literally tan even during the summer. Meanwhile, my sister tans so easily and slightly keeps it even during winter, so yeah. It really depends. And it's not intentional, it's not because we're POC or something, it's just tan. Except for biracial or people with multiple mixed blood
Damn R.I.P Africana Grande 😔🤚🏾
Is it Asiana grande now?
@@privateemail9755 apparently it's "Arigato Grande" now 👀🤷🏾♀️
Oliana grande??
@@crafty7angel jail 😭
@@privateemail9755 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As someone who is half indigenous Australian half British, I’m sick of white Colgate people calling me exotic, tf am I a smoked salmon😭💀
Not smoked salmon 🤣
"Colgate people" 😂
*“Brush brush brush, 3 times a day!”*
LMAOOOO
I hrd British people r very much pale, very "colgate" as u wud say 🤭 than Americans or Canadians in general... Is that true?
The taking up too much space when you're all about being a saviour is just *chefs kiss*. I worry about perpetuating it when trying to speak up with others but also get so annoyed by it when others take stuff I've said out of context to shame other people cause that is not the vibe of the channel! lol
"if you're watching this don't go to college"
KHADIJA ILY
I love her but she needs to be more aware of her actions. She's racially insensitive and she needs to take a course or be educated on the topic. Her fans excuse her by saying well she's Italian so she's naturally tan and now they are saying something opposite. If you look at photos from her past, she had beautiful round brown eyes. She has been changing her features.
Makeup does make your eyes look different though. If you use eyeliner, your eyes will look different from how they look if you just use mascara. It doesnt look like shes using makeup to make them look more asian. Shes just wearing eyeliner.
@@mhm77887 honestly, you’re right, make up does change your eye shape (just stating facts, not debating whether she’s Asian baiting or not because it’s not my call so whether she did that with her make up on purpose or not isn’t up to me) but I can see how people say she’s racially insensitive because of the drastic change; specifically in skin tone. Like in some pictures she looks super dark and in others she looks super light so I can see why some people get that idea.
Ive never liked her. She and her fans are the BIGGEST HYPOCRITES. They lie about everything. She also keeps excusing herself. Not only on her changing etnicity. But also her plastic surgeries. She keeps saying shes natural when u can totally see shes all plastic. Shes so superficial. Like be responsable of your actions and stop faking excuses.
@@mhm77887 its definitely not just eyeliner lmao have a look at Lorry Hill on youtube she's done a video on Ariana's looks throughout the years and it makes complete sense
@@teadora99 I dont know her makeup history, so im sorry if im wrong here.
You didn’t really mention this in the video, but Ariana Grande has also tried profiting over Latino/Hispanic culture. She’s tried to push her image once as Latino at the Billboard’s event with some comments, fake tan, and racial ambiguity. She’s really tried to be everything, lol
Yeah I didn’t want to speak for that, also honestly I didn’t know that much about the Latina phase she went through so didn’t want to overstep
Whaat? Really? Oooooh i'm from argentina, and we always see how a lot of americans want to be southamerican lol
@@abi1 Yeah!! It’s kinda sad :(
@@FredericChen It’s all good 👍
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Off topic, but thank you for bringing up, and at the very least being AWARE that "making everything about race" is a very US thing. As an Eastern European, I know it usually comes from US American marginalized groups as a way of poking fun, but it's pretty insulting to hear "white people have no culture" when my country fought for the right to exist for centuries. Americans rly do be acting like know-it-alls, my ex was a German-Italian and rolled her eyes at people trying to tell her "Italians are POC". I wish Americans made it less about race but more about their messed up racist system. Systemic racism is much less of a thing in euro countries, most racism here comes from xenophobia and "worse" and "poorer" countries like us Slavs will often get treated just as bad in the UK or Germany as darker skinned people.
Just to add, I don’t think American’s mean white people as in European people. I think they mean white people from the us
@mawofsmaug but then that begs the question, is white American culture just a mix of a bunch of cultures - therefore allowing people to be the popularized racially ambiguous people they seem to want to be.
@mawofsmaug srry I didn’t word my comment correctly. I’m talking about like non first gens. Because my friend is also a first gen American. I don’t know how to explain fully since English isn’t my first language sorry
I too am from Eastern Europe (Poland) and it’s very insulting to hear that I don’t have culture just because I’m white. Slavs are often made fun of and it’s never addressed, I’ve heard a few times from my peers in Canada things that are really rude to do with the tragedies in ww2 and they make jokes out of it when it’s a serious topic. In other places in Europe Slavs are as you said treated just as bad but nobody addresses it because we are the same colour as them so we’re just assumed to be never made fun of. In Canada the education system is better than the U.S when it comes to education but they still make candy the centre of attention in English studies and history.
Systematic racism is very much a thing in European countries. It depends on where you live specifics-wise, but there is so much antiblackness, and so much structural racism against Roma, Sinti etc.
Like, where did the US get its racist ideas? From the racist Europeans that colonized the continent lmao.
I am also Eastern European and I have definitely had bad experiences because of it where i live, but definitely nowhere near the same level that immigrants of color are discriminated against. Please don't downplay the faults of Europe, we have just as many problems.
The comment about "why do Americans make everything about race" and Frederic's response about the USA being a melting pot actually makes so much sense. Alot of countries aren't as racially diverse or big as the USA making the number of problems relating to race there larger then others. Also with countries where the racial diversity is basically non-existent (ones I can think of are some scandinavian countries and places like Japan) it makes sense for problems relating to race are really non-existent because, for the most part, the majority of the people think the same meaning less conflict in opinions and they won't be discriminated bases on race.
That's at least my take on it.
exactly. While I think that the USA obsession with race is also from their very wild history of colonization and just everything being somehow related to that, its diversity is definitely an indicator. People also often wonder why many people in the kpop industry are being so insensitive of culture. It's mainly because many East Asian countries are homogenous, and there is simply no need for them to know about any other culture than their own. Why this is in no ways an "excuse" for their actions, it's an explanation for it. The internet is still incredibly young, and our society can't change fast enough to adapt to the new perspective it provides us.
I don't think that's the only reason... Here in Brazil we're not that aggravated by race, and we're even more diverse than in the US! For example, in the US if your grandparents are italian you'd say YOU are Italian, while here in Brazil we don't even take into consideration where our ancestors came from when it comes to how we identify ourselves because it's too mixed, so everyone is just Brazilian.
I think the main difference is how strong racism is in the US. When slavery ended here, the black community kind of spread out, while in the US you formed huge communities where *until this day* it can be a problem if you're white. You're too attached to your past, I'd say
In Japan there’s a lot of ignorance rather than hostility towards minorities because those minorities are so rarely interacted with. It’s a very safe country and it’s probably not too difficult to casually correct someone about a stereotype because those stereotypes are *not* particularly ingrained in Japanese culture.
In America, stereotypes are deeply engrained. It’s a country where many people immigrate here, but the largest group of immigrants is consistently hated across American history. There’s a lot of false justification for the dehumanization of black people that has been passed down for generations. America has harmed its minorities through the media with harmful tropes and charicatures.
That’s not to say Japan is the greatest. Again, there is ignorance and I had no idea for the longest time Japan had an indigenous population. I don’t know how well they are treated or have been treated in history.
@@erikperhs_ this. All of this. America just has too much racism in its history that it's bleeding into the present time as well.
yes, homogenous countries such as many scandanavian countries and asian countries, african countries, etc. a lot of countries are not melting pots, so the issues around race are very different.
Added clarification for the “white people have no culture” saying from the US: As a white person from America, what I hear when people say that is that our culture as white people is based on our ethnicity, not our race. Germany has its own unique culture, so does Poland and Ireland and Scotland, etc. But “Black Culture” exists as a subculture because of slavery and many Black people losing their ethnicity. White people in America do not have a subculture, we are a melting pot of different ethnicities. I would consider my culture to be from the traditions of Poland and Germany that my ancestors have passed down, as well as my American nationality, not because of my skin color.
Even within specific european countries there are different cultures
In France for exemple, the local cultural outfit changes dependings on where you are, as well as the traditions, celebrations, foods, even languages (dead by now, but it is still possible to learn them). "European culture" is too vast for it to be described as only that
This reminds me of white Americans of Western European descent dressing in Eastern European traditional clothing without knowing really anything about it and saying it’s fine cause they’re all European
@@lucikka3674 As someone from Central-East Europe (Hungary): it doesn't bother me, if somebody uses our clothes/motifs. Like, we are such a small country, I'm happy if somebody knows we exists for reasons outside of our shitty politicians. :D
@@lucikka3674 I mean tbf, as a euro-tunisian person, the usa/canada is the only place on earth I've seen being so defensive about cultural appreciation. Not that it's a bad thing really, it's also absolutely understandable considering it's history and ethnical mix; but most countries are much more lax so long as they are doing it from a place of appreciation, even if it's just esthetic.
Our relationship to culture and clothes is much more specific although, it's way greater than western and eastern europe. In france for example (I'm french born and raised but my bloodline consists mostly of brittanics and Netherlands/germanic folks although I have a good mix of other eu ethnicities from my mother regardless, and my dad is tunisian), here we literally call towns ans cities from different regions "The countries of [insert region name".
Someon from let's say lyon in the Rhône, will recognize that the culture of Auvergne is different than their's regardless of overlappings. So when exploring different regions and their cultures, food, clothes etc... it feels foreign to us, although familiar enough not to be totally lost; but we all identify more with our region/city/town than france itself.
So someon from the Rhone wearing traditional clothes from Brittany is fairly similar to us as a french person, regardless of the region, wearing traditional german clothes.
That's why the race pov doesn't work here too, we're on a region/ethnic basis that honnestly just makes more sense. It's like pounds vs grams, sure they both work but one of them is clearly more specific and mesh better with most of the world.
So back to your point, I'd argue that them being western european doesn't make much of a difference, beside you'd need to know where their bloodlines are from. I'm from lyon, border of the south/southern city, yet most of my bloodline came from and resided in the north and I wouldn't have known this if it weren't from transmission.
I honnestly wished, if they can afford it ofc, that "white" americans would take a dna test and try to connect more with their culture and heritage, I am certain that it would help ease cultural appropriation and other similar issues as they wouldn't have to cling to something else than their's to feel this sense of identity through culture.
Maybe i am projecting though, my mom was verry racist and so is france still so when I had to cut tirs with my tunisian side due to their abusive nature, I made myself forget about it. But I also struggled with my european heritage and when I got into japanese street fashion and just culture in general, i was so ecstatic to see that older traditions still lived on so well there and became infatuated with it. Thankfully I never became any kind of extreme weaboo, however; getting into american comunities and accademia talks about culture and identity really forced me to face that. I got such big fomo from not being able to claim a culture that was mine like I saw others doing and it really messed me up until I faced myself.
So yeah I'll stop the rambling but it's just much more complicated than the race system allows us to acknowledge
Exactement ❤️
yet i had to be born in the european country with literally no culture and a history thats literally only destruction
“No one speaks for Asian people except Michael Phan” Literally adore you
where that
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If we just ask the question “How did she go from melanin to pale?” A lot of people would understand she’s abusing our race by switching whenever she feels like it’s the new “trend” I love her music and I don’t think the backlash she’s facing has anything to do with misogyny. I definitely think instead of rushing to take it down to avoid more controversy, admit that your treating features like a light switch.
exactly
Yesss!
I mean she started pale… She was on Victorious as Cat and very clearly pale
@@DeathnoteBB actually just type in cat valentine on Google and you promise you can't even find 1 picture of her with tan?
@@enternalmoonlight Yeah spray tans are a thing, I never said otherwise. But a spray tan is not melanin.
Ariana looks nothing like herself from the beginning of her career. She was never tan, she’s pale skinned, her tan was also never natural it was done through artificial tanning. Her fans are delusional if they still think everything about her current looks was naturally achieved & not deliberate. Interesting how this “dark natural tan” that her stans keep pushing didn’t come out during her time on Victorious. It wasn’t until she started focusing on her music career that that tan came out
It came off because she was no longer with Nickelodeon and in an interview she stated they put foundation way lighter for her and she looked really pale if you want to you can see the real photos on google but yeah
Also people edited photos of her, but everyone has their own opinions 🧡
@@yuh6837 you know she also took pictures when she wasn’t on set at Nickelodeon right? She still looks pale in paparazzi pictures & pictures at award shows during those times.
Her face is also definitely different due to plastic surgery procedures, and anyone who says otherwise are delusional. It’s also not “puberty” since she was already an adult/18 when her music career started blowing up, not 12 or 14 when puberty for the average girl ENDS.
@@luz6528 I looked and the pictures look like her real color, yes she tanned but it wasn’t bad, the only thing was the edited pictures and I believe everyone can do what they want and actually maybe she had surgeries maybe she didn’t, but it’s not our business because it’s intrusive and rude and actually there are five stages of puberty for girls in which it ends at age 19 or 21 I believe but still you do you, and makeup can change a lot and when your whole career you have been looked at a certain way and then you loose weight stop doing a hairstyle and change your makeup and also stop tanning as much of course your gonna look different but okay I guess
@@yuh6837 the point is not that she’s not allowed to do what she wants to her face, the point is to stop lying about it & stop fooling your young fans. Makeup, unless it’s special effects makeup, isn’t going to give you a brow lift & change the direction your eyes go. And she isn’t doing any makeup looks that are meant to change certain parts of your face it’s simple eyeliner & contour. We can tell what is makeup & what is not lol. Again she’s allowed to do what she wants, she & others just gotta stop pretending
She doesn’t deserve death threats, obviously. But there’s no getting around the fact that she went from a shade darker than Nicki Minaj to the color of my profile picture.
Girl nicki is a light skinned black woman. Ariana CAN and have naturally tanned just as dark as nicki. Check 2011 grammys red carpet and 2010 south African Broadway red carpet. Those are her from before her music career and when yall said she was pale. She was tanning since a long time and sure she was fair but that doesn't mean she can't tan. She have olive undertones and tan easily. Her dad is literally brown
@@enternalmoonlight Ummmm
I remember when alot of white ppl were calling out black people on tiktok for Asian fishing even though those black people naturally had monolids
Ya it seemed like a lot of bitter people trying to “get back” at black people waiting for a gotcha situation, usually the person accusing them wasn’t even Asian
Ikr I'm lightskinned black but someone thought I was Chinese just because of my eyes
imagine being Blasian and getting called out for asian-baiting lmao some people are just outta it
seriously though! most races can have monolids.
this woman really out here collecting ethnicities like they're pokemon cards💀💀💀
Woah
“I don’t want skin canc- do you? By all means, do whatchu want, that’s just not my aesthetic kinda today”
Frederic you’re a national treasure
I remember being 8 and thinking Ariana Grande was Latina like me and then being utterly disapointed when i found out she was WHITE D:
White people can be latina though. Do you mean not an indigenous latina?
I also thought she was latina...
I think Ariana and a lot of people don’t even recognize they’re appropriating BIPoC when following trends. It’s clearer to me as an Asian because we’ve been made to be aware of our ethnic features in a negative way throughout history but even I partook in trends that I didn’t know came from black culture because it was popularized by non black people. The same way people do “fox eyes” because even the name lacks racial descriptions and is done by non Asians, they usually just don’t associate it with us.
BIPoC that feel appropriated can give celebs a hard time because it is frustrating and sometimes it feels too “obvious” for them not to know. But the issue doesn’t exist in just some thoughtless white girl; it’s racism that disrespects BIPoC in favour of white people, exoticism that fetishizes us when we’re appropriated or become mainstream, and beauty standards that make others perpetuate it without recognizing it.
It’s crazy how multiple trends come from black culture without so many people realizing, yet it’s obvious to those that grew up with that culture.
This is an interesting way to put it
In high school we had 3 different history classes. Our state history, US history and then World History.. world history is basically like “oh yeah look at all these other things that happened around the world that the US somehow shoved themselves into even though it has nothing to do with them!” So the call it world history under the guise to just talk about the US more… like really Board of Education
In my world history class we hardly ever talked about the US, just too much about Britain and France.
Imagine America thinking everyone is copying them when in fact they're copying everyone else hahaha
HUH?
Hey Frederic, you should make a ginger bread house while talking about whatever!! I love your videos and think it would be cool! 💞
I did that a few years ago! Might do it again
love the pfp
I feel bad for Ariana. I obviously don't know her in person, but these head-to-toe transformations seem to be fueled by severe issues with confidence and dysmorphia. She seems completely lost.
yeah i feel like this has to do with how she views herself especially with how toxic fandom culture can be lol. she tries to be nice and a kind role model but i hope whatever issues she deals with herself would be fixed especially now that people are adamant on racism. and she's a celeb.
And she has a history of eating disorders. Maybe some sort of public image pressure getting to her. I don't feel bad for her tho lol
naw i think it’s just for the profit bcs it’s always the race that’s currently “popular”. but that’s a valid point too
@@abcdefgh-fb5ny being Asians popular?
@@mariachi3217 Is hallyu/anime popular?
As someone who is mixed so naturally racially ambiguous it’s really strange to see people now striving for that “look” (which isn’t even a look because real mixed people have literally EVERY LOOK YOU COULD IMAGINE??) especially when it was something that was hated even a few decades ago for instance my friend (black and Caucasian) was telling me how some really hateful people had jumped her and her (white) mom and severely injured them.
I was shocked when I heard about this ( I’m Caucasian/hispanic and huastaca ) because I had only ever been verbally assaulted for being mixed.
Yet now it’s something mainstream models strive to look like it’s really weird how fast the culture changes
is it sad that when ppl talk about Asian people I don't think it applies to me because I'm Indian?
It’s sad because people try to separate it, and because East Asian is the dominant one in media at least in the US
@@krishakoli3690 your geography teacher must be angry . just kidding
same
I am aware we are asians but most of the asian discourse isn't aimed towards us
we are excluded from it
@@krishakoli3690 same
One time my nine-year old brother made a TH-cam video about being able to say the n word because he's "caramel" (we're all Indian lmao) and it shook me to my core that he was this uneducated. What is the school system doing???? Anyways don't worry y'all I made him take it down the second I saw it and did my best to explain it to him. A lot went over his head and my parents were soooo pissed that I tried educating him instead of pResErvINg hIs InnOcEnCE, but yeah. Anyways the US school system suckkkkks.
I was usually made fun of at school and my society because apparently for them, I look like an ''exotic'' ''Chinese'' or ''Japanese'' because I look oriental and have a tanned complexion. I'm a North East Indian and generally North East Indians look very oriental so we are often called every east asian race under the sun instead of what we truly are, i.e. North East Indians, South Asians. Like it is so annoying every time someone calls me a Chinese of Japanese person! Like how Frederic said; dark skinned and tanned asians exist and not just pale asians!
It's tough for me because I didn't grow up with any Asian influences at all, nobody around here really is asian, I live in a small Port Town, and so people like me really do look towards the Asian community to see what is appropriate and what is not inappropriate. Learning about Asian culture and what is appropriate and what is not appropriate , is tough because Asians are not a hive mind. Some people think some things are offensive while others don't, and you say to look inside of ourselves to figure out the questions that we have when it comes to our motives, and I completely agree with you and honestly everything this video, but what I'm saying is for somebody who didn't grow up with any Asian influences , that question feels so unanswerable. That question always comes up with the answer " the only way to not offend anybody is don't get involved at all " and that's pretty heartbreaking because Asian culture is literally so amazing and so deep. I don't think I'm the only one with the struggle and I'm sorry that this is coming off very ignorant, but I think my problem is a common one and if you read this I would love your thoughts on this, I guess tldt : I feel like I am walking through muddy waters , being respectful is my top priority, but I would also like to enjoy Asian culture as much as I possibly can and sometimes grey lines are difficult.
As someone who's in a transracial family (adopted into a white family, as I am asian), I genuinely get your feelings.
Growing up without Asian influences is hard. And sometimes when racial debates/questions come up, you can't help but ask yourself if you have just as much say as someone who did grow up with Asian family/influences.
But if you want my two cents; sometimes understanding your cultural background by asking the net (Google, mutuals or other folk online) or desiring to read about it can help. I feel it's understanding that we, as a cultural group of asians, can reflect and understand on the broad terms, yet listen in on the specific and true events happening in other smaller cultural communities.
If that makes sense whfhhf. Sorry if it's not much help; I just want you to know all in all, that there are folk that understand your comment. You're not selfish or ignorant in sharing your feelings about yourself, homie 👍🏽
@@sp_00nsy it is helpful and I thank you for reading my comment. I'm from Italy and came to the states when I was really young. I study as much as I can get my hands on and just when I think I get a good grasp on things , something like this happens and the Asian community is split . Do I take a side ? Do I have a voice , I'm not Asian , and I don't want to talk over others . So far siting and listening has been my game plan but I fear that's the method for a lot of nonasians , so when we do see something that's is racist , we won't speak up . Like my first reaction to her is OMG YES SHES TRYING TO LOOK ASIAN WTF, but videos like this make me sit and think ( a good thing )
So many things are grey but I think I speak for most when I say : a lot of us are trying , we just love everything Asian culture brings to the culture and we want Asians to feel protected and heard .
@@recycledfelines And you're very kind to consider others! It's lovely to hear you want to participate in uplifting Asian voices, yet also standing by the best you can.
It's definitely a lot of grey ground, but having good critical thinking skills and learning from other asian voices is always something that is welcome! Good on you, Celeste!
you’re doing great! learning to learn is the first and most important move to make!
@@xphenylalaninex I agree completely!
people need to stop thinking of asia as just china japan and korea lol. the rest of asia is darker, has double eyelids, has thick curved eyebrows and all that XD
Also I couldn't stop looking at your jewellery, they're so pretty
She knew she did something wrong when oli London praised her T-T
Your outfit is giving me rich elderly woman that just got her husband's life insurance. 😍💅
THAT SWEATERRRR IS EVERYTHING
THAT IS YHE SWEATER THAT CONAN GRAY WAS SINGING ABOUT ISTG😩😩
Due to me not being on Tik Tok I didn't know what happened but I'm so glad I clicked to watch this video.
Regarding the 'being obsessed with race' thing many Europeans say: we aren't taught about race but we can certainly feel how certain people are treated differently than white people, at least in Italy. In Europe there's a fear of people coming from other countries, especially the ones that are located in the African continent; the concept of race is unspoken but present, especially in politics
exactly
As a half italian who is naturally very tan and has curly hair my grandparents always told me that I looked good but a bit “too african”. I think that really says it all about beauty and colorism in europe right?
@@jc317 Yep that sounds like an italian grandma thing to say lol i could see my grandparents say that
HOW ARE EUROPEANS NOT TAUGHT ABOUT RACE WHEN IT WAS LITERALLY THEIR PEOPLE WHO MADE THE RACE CONCEPT?????
@@M00NL9GHT Europeans didn't invent the concept lmfao. The concept of race existed in many civilizations around the world for literal centuries, perhaps open a book once in a while before spewing stupid shit.
I wonder if her constantly switching her entire look- to the point that people think she’s a different ethnicity, has anything to do with Nickelodeon and her current persona. If you saw her when she was really younger, before Victorious, she had dark brown curly hair, light skin, button nose, small eyes (with not really visible lids), and an overall extremely youthful look. Then she was on Nick, where she had aggressively straightened red hair, really pink pale skin, and was constantly oversexualized. After this she had her straight hair with a balayage wearing Black short clothes, looking very obvious white. (I’m Black btw). Then she started getting tanner, and her ponytails occasionally had texture in them. Makeup trends shifted and so did hers, to big lips , more bronzers, and an overall darker appearance. Then looked again the most obviously white in 2021(imo), and now in 2021 she looks more possibly asian. She has said before her look on Nick wasn’t up to her but up to Dan and the people working on the show, and that they took drastic measures to make her look this way (keeping her out the sun at all times, damaging her hair with the straightening and dying so she had to wear a wig on Sam and Cat). She looked like an idealized sexy white girl in the 2010’s . After her Nick career was mainly over, she looked white,and more like she used to, and she was sexualized so much. There are so many interviews. Then, she started looking less and less like herself. And her personality changed more in appearances as well. More bite and sass. People say she started talking in a blaccent. She sounds a lot like her friend, Victoria Monet, who is Black. Looking more racially ambiguous, leaning towards Black, was definitely at it’s height then. Currently, she’s looking both sexy and cutesy but in a different way than before. She’s paler, and definitely reminding everyone she loves “Asian culture “(in quotes because an entire continent can’t have one culture ). (I cannot claim that she is or isn’t asianbaiting , but this is the current defense aggressive arianators have)Right now, looking racially ambiguous leaning towards Asian is in. She always looks like the most idealized person of the time.
She said recently that she probably won’t wear her naturally curly hair out. She’s not comfortable with it , and doesn’t want to merge real Ariana with her persona. It seems as though she always tries to make herself look the most desirable. I’m not trying to diagnose anything, but I’m certain that she was told that she had to look a certain way to be popular and to have people like her while on Victorious (based on the things other girls on Dan Schneider shows have said, this seems par for course) . She was 15/16. She’s probably internalized that, while also making her “desirable” persona look completely unlike she does with no makeup or tan on. That’s a great way to distance yourself (disregarding racial insensitivity). Definitely not an excuse, but just something I noticed.
Tldr: she may not be trying to intentionally change her race, just look trying to look different than she naturally does and keep up with trends(and racial features being trends is in itself an issue that’s bigger than her)
in the pilot of victorious she was white and had curly red hair (i think it was crimped actually) then in later seasons she got tanner.
@@reneebroski yeah, as the show went on, she got _slightly_ tanner (not by much )/ and the hair wasn’t straightened as much, but it also became a more unnatural color(requiring more bleaching. Maybe because of the rise of bright fantasy hair). And in the pilot it’s like half crimp half straight ?!
@@fibromiteready2fight809 wow that's such an interesting intake like i didn't think abt that. question so do you think ariana is more of a persona based on an impression of the real ariana?
@@elodie7141 to some extent, yeah. I think most celebrities have at least some guard up when presenting themselves to the public. And I think that she paid attention to how people perceive (d) her and uses it to her advantage (not in a nefarious way, btw). She is after all, an actress. Her reactions to emotional sweet things are probably more genuine, but some of her sassier or more exaggerated remarks are, well , exaggerated. For the record, some of her “genuine” reactions could be exaggerated as well , idk her.
@@fibromiteready2fight809 mmmm I understand your point. I mean when it comes to her especially at the beginning of career she did had this "Cat valentine" vibe surrounded her then she dropped it suddenly she became this other person to another personality. The things you said about her being careful with her public figure image and use it to her advantage, it might be it or not, but I do have a feeling to it. Idk. I mean it is true that we don't know because we don't know her personally.
As someone who is mixed raced, I’ve been called exotic before and it’s such an odd thing to be called because of my race and ethnicity and also struggle with my identity being mixed but you’re so right abt how beauty standards changing effects everything...plus now the kardashians are getting rid of their butt fillers which is an odd thing to do since they dominate most of the media
Oli calling Ari "oriental" triggers my fight or flight
she said i got black i got white what you want
I just choked on my noodles reading the title
Same. I thought "oh no, I cant believe shes doing this now too". Then I watched the video and shes not doing anything lol everythings fine, people are just reaching.
As a pale asian, I was surrounded by darker skin family members and asian friends that told me I needed to be darker. It makes me smh whenever people think asians are white like paper.
Are you 12
my mom used to say i was ugly because I had a monolid and, to seven year old me, said "why can't you be more like your sister? she's so pretty."
and she wonders why I have self esteem issues and needs therapy
You are beautiful. Monoloid lids are very pretty
@@Joseph-zd7kg now they are haha
@@oddnwmbers they always have been, people are just horrible for no reason. sorry that was said to you.
@@oliviasmith6511 Thank you for your sympathy :>
Monolids are beautiful ✨
Frederic always looks so glamorous like... the beauty, the visuals, the personality 😩💞🦋
Whats his personality
She collecting them races like how Trisha collects religions
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Ugh race is actually a huge thing in other countries. It can be so unsafe in a lot of Russian cities if you’ve got darker skin 😔 I wish Europeans in general would stop saying that. Like yes there are more nuanced issues involved (such as many “white” ethnic groups also being discriminated) but race still exists
Like for various reasons I probably won’t ever go back to Europe, and this stuff is top of the list
But I really appreciate hearing your thoughts in this! Much more nuanced and informative than Tik Tok
It's very different than the racial issues and systems in america though, and a lot of american racial discussions do not work in a non american context. americans only thinking about their country and their standards and assuming it applies everywhere is a real problem.
I obviously don't know where you've been in europe, but if it's just russia that really doesn't represent the entire continent either.
@@colorbar.s Russia doesn’t represent the entire continent and it’s true that Americans only know American issues. They’re American. But also, it’s wrong to deny that race is a factor in every day life in Europe, there’s just also a lot other things that aren’t race that affect your experience as well.
I think Americans could stand to learn more about European dynamics instead of using Americas history as a guide, but race is a real thing to talk about.
As a mixed-race Asian person, I really appreciate your viewpoint and for bringing this to light.
I am also really curious as to if Ariana will actually address this issue - honestly I’m kinda losing a bit of respect for this the longer she ignores it and her keeping her Instagram comments off shows that she is aware of peoples criticism (especially the feelings of Asian people).
It feels kinda weird seeing how the current trendy thing is to be Asian because Ive seen people gush over Korean/Chinese Aesthetics and proclaim their love for Asia. And yet say to my face how Im not asian because Im Indian.
Oof, that sucks to hear. They fail to remember geography and do that stuff I guess. Still, we’re definitely asian.
They never said they love asian culture, and obviosult they're not talking about yall when they say asian.
@@meemaw2200 wdym "they"? do you know how many people proclaim their love of "asian culture" when they legit just mean korea, japan, and china?
yeah in China being white is because of history, being tanned meant that you were a farmer so people here wanna be "white" not because of the west
Youre fit is GIVING today. i love it so much. thank you
Transracial adoptee feeling seen right here when you called out the misuse of the word transracial 😤 I hate how there are people trying to use this word in such a frustratingly wrong way, so thanks for educating everyone about the real meaning!
she's collecting raced like infinity stones
people trying to be "racially ambiguous" makes me very uncomfortable as a biracial person... like y'all are setting a beauty standard for something that you aren't even really a part of?? and now i have to live up to that standard because if i don't i'm not "ambiguous" enough or some shit...
you can't win
not about the video but is. i remember hearing some girls in my maths being like "i hate not being able to say some words. like i cant say the n word" now both these girls are white. and they was like "yeah i cant say the n word even though i tan!"
Spongebob in underwear breathing meme
That's fuxked up
i agree with your thoughts about the beauty standards. looking racially ambiguous has become such a trend and bc of globalization; trends and cultures are all blending in with each other. in ariana’s case i didn’t think she looked asian in that photo but i feel like the only reason ppl thought so was because of the overexposure that made her skin pale and her eyeliner. and it almost feels more racist to even assume she looks asian just because of stereotypes :/
Don't forget to factor in the fact that she copied a Chinese drug store make up company's ideas.
Girl I know you didn’t just say it was RACIST for us to recognize certain features typically belong to an ethnic group💀
@@taz--ell869 being that pale isn't an ethnic feature for Asian people. Atleast not a natural one, since bleaching is very popular in Asia.
@@oo4758 Being pale is a racial feature of many races as well as almond eyes.
I have to agree. I’m not sure I would have thought she was trying to portray an East Asian look. I just thought she posed with over exposure and some winged liner. The whole looking up and monolid thing is more a result of the infantilization of young female artists in general and to me did not seem like an attempt to have a monolid or sexualize East Asians.
I’m half Ojibwe, so when I do winged eyeliner, my eyes look more almond and I’ve been accused of Asian baiting in the past.
Like…no? I’m just indigenous and we look kinda similar to some Asian people sometimes????
I rarely finish an opinion video but you are smart, well spoken, and so fierce I had to keep watching
I appreciate you using separate language for asian-baiting to allow for blackfishing to stand alone, and also you just having this conversation in general! Never apologize for your passion and anger. I think it says a lot that she chose to delete this video when called out for asian-baiting, but has been blackfishing for at least the last 4 years and never stopped - it shows how little people care about the opinion of black women/femmes.
Your laugh with that voice is so cute :’)
god thank you for pointing out that eyelids/pale skin/etc. as beauty standards in asia aren't about america. it's not only annoying but, in the case of pale skin and colourism, because of asian history and nothing to do with american.
You mean america 🇺🇸
I love seeing hauls just because I love to see other peoples happiness and it gives a bit more of an insight on their personal style. Plus I know you’ll be tasteful. And if I am not in the mood I just don’t watch that day. Thank you for thinking of us! I appreciate you so much!
I’m half Asian ( Italian & Indonesian) I have a double eyelid that’s very almond shaped in high school I used to do my eye makeup like my friends who were white but it never looked right . Now I got into K-pop and started getting into my Asian culture I use the makeup tips I see my favorite idols doing but apparently I’m Asian fishing because I finally figured out makeup that fits my eye shape which is so unfair since I am mixed 🤨
This hits home bc I come from a Filipino household, my father is Puerto Rican and black but I didn’t meet him until I was 19, so my family used to get me to lighten my skin bc i looked “dirty” I’ve always loved my skin color but I wanted to change other features bc I didn’t look like my cousins now that I guess anime has became more mainstream I notice more ppl Asian bait and I think it’s crazy bc they make it seem like we’re all the same culture.
When I (european white person) saw the pic I remember not recognizing Ariana immediately--it took me a milisecond longer than usual. Also, it seems obvious to methat she's inspired by korean fashion, k-makeup and I'm pretty sure she's into anime as well so lol I can't say if it's asian baiting, but I definitely see why people would say that
She wears many different types of clothing though, so I really dont agree with that point.
Yeah her face literally looks whitewashed similar to kpop idols
I’ve been seeing the Google ad with our boy in it showing up lately and I feel so proud every time 😊
come on ariana
I had such high hopes for you please don't be problematic
edit: these replies are killing me help 💀
In my opinion, shes not. Call me a stan, anything you want. She can have smaller eyebrows. Her skin can look different in different pictures. She can wear an outfit that asians have worn before. That applies to people in general. Its just a picture. She did nothing more. She didnt even come close to crossing a line.
Edit: im ready for all the crap ill get for this. But at this point people get crap for something as innocent as this picture.
She has been problematic, but just because she is doesn't mean you can't like her music. The world is not so black and white. You can still like her music AND acknowledge she isn't the best person. As long as you are critical of your interests/likes and don't die on the hill of defending her like some of her stans 😟
@@mhm77887 bro you're embarrassing yourself
@@sx4rymonsters I gave constructive criticism. Not an outrageous one at that. Im not attacking anyone or saying anything edgy. So no, nothing emberassing about my comment. Lets focus on actual racism, asian fishing/black fishing, etc. Not a innocent picture that slightly reminds you of something.
@@mhm77887 no you didn't, your blantly saying she did nothing wrong when she did. even if it wasn't her intentions it doesn't matter, she's also known for black fishing. quit acting like what she did was ok
I’m so sick of people trashing everyone over everything - so glad I can trust your videos not to be like that. When it happens, it’s so anxiety inducing and even if the person makes good points I literally cannot keep watching.
I'm a biologist and idk where this fits in but a while ago (like pre Kardashian era) I read a study where people who were mixed or had "ambiguous" features were rated as more attractive and the hypothesis the researchers came up with was that we are attracted to those traits because those people are likely to have a higher rate of genetic diversity? Which is highly desired in reproductive partners.
Wish I could find that study again. The conclusion feels kind of like it makes sense but also could just be an excuse for fetishization so take from it what you will, I guess.
When I saw the title i said: oli London has got some competition
(also nice nails btw)
imagine Oily London tweeting about you??? bye I would leave earth immediately
Random- But i just realized how freaking pretty frederic is without make up ;-; Like bish- Can you not?
I'm white and of mostly Italian descent but growing up a lot of people assumed I was mixed or of some sort of Asian descent just because I have small hooded eyes. Not even a monolid. But just because a lot of white Americans know very little of race, (especially when I was growing up) it was so common for people to assume I was Asian American.
I also want to add that there’s so much history behind “Asian bating”. Academia calls it yellowface, and similar to blackface, comes from a racist and oppressive standpoint. Hollywood has done it for yeaaarsssss, basically allowing white actors/actresses to don makeup and change their facial structure to look Asian, and usually in an mocking manner (see Mick Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s). When celebs adopt these features because it’s trendy, they don’t acknowledge the history and the people that have been affected by these stereotypes, especially people who don’t fit into the East Asian or model minority mold
honestly, i dont know how to feel when people try or go for being “racially ambiguous” these days with plastic surgery,,
and as someone who is biracial (Cambodian and White) but basically white-passing, I have a lot of identity problems with if I am Asian or not etc etc. And seeing people getting plastic surgery to just look a little bit like this said race or maybe this other said race for the aesthetic/looks makes me feel really conflicted tbh
hey guys, I saw a discussion on whether or not italians (and especially southern italians) are POC.
I'm italian and this is a Very Very Delicate Topic, so please don't talk about it with just your american standards in mind, because there are things you might not know.
let's start off by saying that "Italian" is a nationality, not an ethnicity. Italians can be any ethnicity.
there are black italians and asian italians just like there are black americans and asian americans.
would you say "oh, (PERSON) is american, so they are POC"? no, of course not. same thing with italians.
one thing you might not know about is the century long discrimination between northern and southern italians: southern italians are considered lazy, ignorant, dishonest, criminals. tied to the m*fia.
We're victims of discrimination (not racism, discrimination! It's about where you were born, not what you look like.).
Some political parties push to separate north italy (= the good, rich italy with the smart and honest people) and south italy (= the bad, poor part of italy with the stupid criminals.)
these political parties are EXTREMELY POPULAR. i'm talking about... a good third of the population roots for them. So they can stop southern italians from stealing their jobs. it's a tragedy.
Please don't EVER say something like "southern italians are POC, while northern italians are white".
Never.
That's an old f*scist argument to further separate us. Say we're a "different race" to make us look more different.
BUT THE THING IS, we're not.
it's literally wrong. some of us are white, some aren't. same for northern italy.
I will be completely honest. I'm one of those people who thought Ariana Grande was Latina for the longest time. When I glimpsed these photos flying by in the suggested thumbnails yesterday, I didn't really read the video names and till clicking on yours I thought it was about an Asian Ariana Grande impersonator, kinda like that twin TH-camr girl. Being 100% transparent here
I swear I try to like ariana and her music bc a lot of my friends are very big fans but the fact that she had very dark skin 2 years ago bc it was trendy and now she's back to white like nothing happened bothers me so much as a person of color :( i was bullied my entire school life for my skin color but she changes her skin and ethnicity like it's nothing and never apologized for it- and now this,,, idk i think im on tiktok's side this time
i only watch your vids occasionally but your fit is always 10/10. impressive fr