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Very very weird yet possible theory I have. Olivia Mann is the Administrator. Mainly because at the end of the second to last comic we see a girl that looks a lot like Olivia when Helen looks at the last vile of Australium. Just a theory.
Honestly, I feel we don’t really talk about the first nine mercenaries they hired; Scout - Billy The Kid Soldier - Stonewall Jackson Pyro - Abraham Lincoln Demoman - Alfred Nobel Heavy - John Henry Engineer - Nikola Tesla Medic - Sigmund Freud Sniper - Davy Crockett Spy - Fu Manchu Quite the selection.
It is kind of funny that Abraham Lincoln is the Pyro when he is also known in lore for rocket jumping. Maybe he invented stairs so that he could be the Pyro though
4:19 Gravel IS valuable. That is a bit of a misunderstanding in the community. Zepheniah was convinced to buy the land because there was a lot of gravel and other riches -- which wouldn't be a bad investment. The problem was that the gravel was really really poor quality. "Fool's gravel" as he called it, more akin to sand. That's why they are idiots, they convinced their father to buy a gigantic deposit of worthless gravel and then they spent the rest of their lives fighting for it.
Gravel is perfect for concrete, which would become valuable with Modern/brutalist Architecture and road construction throughout the 20th century. Too bad most of those plots were sand pits, though it seems a few were pretty profitable.
Little detail in the Mann Family portrait is that Silas is holding keys and nametags, suggesting that he's responsible for Mann Co. selling those items So next time you make an expensive trade or rename one of your items, know that Silas made it possible!
I remember joking about the 7th comic ending with everyone using gravel as a substitute for Australium I didn't know the Mann family never found the stuff, so that might be the planned ending
@@henryattfield8979 Didn’t the Gray debut comic state that they did try to use gravel as an energy source but gasoline and petrol existed and were far better?
Silas Mann IMO is such a very mysterious character, after SF 2012 it feels like the comic artists kind of forgot he even existed at all. We still don’t know how he died, when he specifically died(Some time after Zephaniah but before TF2). And what role he played in the creation and management of Mannco. But if I were to guess of why Silas haunts the mansion and how he died was he was decapitated(Thus being the horseless *Headless* horsemann). Maybe it’s by someone he knows, was killed by accident or publicly executed
Perhaps his brother Zepheniah hated him or always ignored him? Seeing how in his will he left nothing for him to own. He could have been cast aside by the Mann family members since then and looked down upon or something like that Him haunting the mansion specifically could be him wanting revenge for not inheriting any of his brother’s wealth
@@roman108 This goes along with the phot of Zephaniah on his death bed, where we can see Silas Mann by himself all the way on the right. The problem is, if they hated each other they wouldn’t have worked together in Mannco. Unless they developed hatred for each other later in life.
You know, I've never given it much thought before now, but I wonder if the way Darling was going to get Mann Co. back for Saxton was to do the Mann Co. challenge, and then beat Olivia in, like, a thumb war or something modest like that.
@@roman108yeah, but the eagle was alreafy an adult when he adopted Grey, so that Eagle is probably around 30 years old. Also i did some research and eagles can live longer than 30 years, so yeah, it's definitely possible
You forgot that in red spawn you can see Redmond sitting by his immortality machine out of bounds in Mann Manor. Though spoilers, he isnt fully modeled.
I always had this headcanon that Silas dabbled in magic, he ends up summoning merasmus and cursing himself and the manor, i mostly imagined this since merasmus has the ability to summon HHH.
Gravel was in fact extreamly valuable at the time of the game, it's when they started building roads and shit like that so they used a lot, it was basically gold at the begining.
Fr i never understood why everyone considered the land useless plus even if the gravel was useless they still could have made the land useful like Building a university or disney World
I like to think the VSH stuff takes place right after Gray kicks Saxton out of Mann Co in the first comic. Pauling runs in to tell the Administrator that Gray took over and fired the mercs... why not have VSH take place in between those two events? That's kind of what the new voice lines in the gamemode imply, and it would make a lot of sense.
Thank you for doing the Manns! Considering just how large a part their history forms the background of the TF universe, it can be hard puzzling it all together in a straightforward way, simply by virtue of how that information was parsed out over the years. So to have it laid out in one video is a big help. Personally speaking, I think the mysterious person in the Mann family portrait *was* originally intended to be Gray, but by the time they finalized his backstory, him being present for his father's passing didn't make much story sense, so they just never gave us that final piece of the photo. Maybe it'll become relevant again someday, but I personally doubt it, given where the story and game have been for the past several years. And... that relation to Charles Darling is interesting. Never heard of it before, but I can't help but wonder if that's at least a part of why he was involved in the last few years of TF comics.
theoretically, mann vs machine wouldn't have happened if saxton had the balls to punt a child into outer space like he would do to literally anyone else.
i’ve heard a lot of people saying that it’s a relative of Charles and Bette, possibly Charles’ father. it is one of the only options that makes sense. as for why he’s scratched out, idk.
Bit off topic question, what ever happened to the TFC Medic during the comics series? We never see them in the comic since Medic was hired by Grey Gravel Co. to fill in their place.
11:35 ok i know we're talking about the Mann family here, but I'm legitimately convinced soldier wasn't as dumb as dirt as later in the comics before the lead-poisoned water took a tole on him. This soldier acts somwhat rational and that's both hilarious and suprising.
wait but if Olivia was born in the 1960s-1970s she's around 50-60 in present day. There could be a tf2 comic that takes place in 2023 and it would make sense. neat.
I recall a video where someone went into the voicelines of Saxton Hale for the official Vs Saxton Hale gamemode, and found a few where it’s almost as if he’s shutting down when defeated. In other words, maybe the Saxton Hale we fight in the gamemode is a robot planted by Gray Mann, who then led the mercenaries there as a trap. Not sure how this fits in the overall lore, tho.
VS Saxton Hale is obviously non-canon but because it's an alternate universe, we know in the comics Gray never tried to recruit the mercenaries against Saxton and the game mode can only end with either all the mercenaries dying or Saxton dying (neither of which can happen.)
My head cannon for Olivia has always been she is a robot or something that Hale would be fine beating to a pulp and reclaiming his position as ceo with his buff ausie wife
I have a small theory that the administrator could be possibly be the long lost half sister of the mann brothers, who like Gray Mann was hoarding and snorting the Austriliam while her idiot brothers were fighting each other all those years.
Family of mann Blutarch mann (died by his long lost brother) Redmond mann (died by his long lost brother) Gray mann (long lost brother got defeated by heavy)
I think the reason why Gray was Zepheniahs favorite is because Gray actually turned out to be quite the cunning bastard unlike Redmond and Blutarch who basically have shit for brains
I would've loved if Olivia was put in charge of Mann. Just our Mercs working for a little girl. After the death of her father and the avenged by mercs hands. She probably would've just kept them employed. Staging fights for her own entertainment.
So... now that the 7th comic is out. Are you gonna make a video making an addendum for the new info it gave? Still, it feels SO WEIRD to have the story finally be finished.... Like, TF2 now has a beginning, middle, and end story wise.
The last Mann left standing is a womann! Jokes aside, she is likely going to have some sort of “the RED vs BLU war will never end” impact on the story.
I actually might make a whole video on this topic because it bothers me so much. But the Saxton Hale in VSH may as well be an entirely different character to the one from official TF2 media. The biggest example is how angry the VSH Saxton is. Saxton Hale is not an angry person in the slightest and is almost always smiling. It's a complete 180 from everything we know about his character. He would never describe himself as "pissed." Another major one is him feeling personally betrayed by the mercs switching sides in the VSH story. He barely even knows who the mercs are. He hardly even knows who Gray is.
@@SquimJim I like that one. I actually think the new one is TOO soft. TOO not-intimidating. Sounds like a dodge ball coach. Iv always viewed Hale as really drawn to violence. It makes sense for him to relish killing a bunch of mercs. Calling them girls and talking endlessly about his fists. The context is a little muddy, but hale hardly pays attention to WHY he’s punching. Just that he gets to. I think the old community hale captures that well.
He's generally portrayed as very angry and also personally offended by the betrayal from the mercs in VSH. Saxton Hale is never angry and is always smiling. Saxton saying he's "pissed" and "always angry" is just absolutely nothing like anything he has ever said in any official TF2 media. He also barely knows who the mercs are and barely knows who Gray is prior to the take over of Mann Co. And even before that he doesn't view Gray as a real threat. There's 0 reason to believe he'd feel personally betrayed by them changing sides. Overall he's written as almost a different character entirely.
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Very very weird yet possible theory I have. Olivia Mann is the Administrator. Mainly because at the end of the second to last comic we see a girl that looks a lot like Olivia when Helen looks at the last vile of Australium. Just a theory.
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You could say Olivia is the last mann standing?
Wo-mann
"I OUTLIVED YOU BROTHER! IM THE LAST MANN STANDIIII-*gets run over by an ambulance*"
You could also NOT say that.
Leave. (This is a joke)
@@mister_r447you could also say
CHROMESTONE
Honestly, I feel we don’t really talk about the first nine mercenaries they hired;
Scout - Billy The Kid
Soldier - Stonewall Jackson
Pyro - Abraham Lincoln
Demoman - Alfred Nobel
Heavy - John Henry
Engineer - Nikola Tesla
Medic - Sigmund Freud
Sniper - Davy Crockett
Spy - Fu Manchu
Quite the selection.
Entirely in-character for both the Manns and Sigmund Freud tbh.
It is kind of funny that Abraham Lincoln is the Pyro when he is also known in lore for rocket jumping. Maybe he invented stairs so that he could be the Pyro though
Makes sense Nobel would be the Demoman, since he was the one who invented dynamite.
SIGMUND FUCKIN FREUD ?! 😭🙏 NO WAY!!!
3:43
I don't think there will ever be a more justified character than Zepheniah Mann
No wonder Gray was his favorite
Its not that he liked him, its just that his other sons were DUMBER AND WORSE.
no he was a dick and a terrible person he just gets like no screentime
I wonder if the reason Zepheniah considered Gray his favorite is because he's the only one that gave him a grandchild.
4:19 Gravel IS valuable. That is a bit of a misunderstanding in the community.
Zepheniah was convinced to buy the land because there was a lot of gravel and other riches -- which wouldn't be a bad investment. The problem was that the gravel was really really poor quality. "Fool's gravel" as he called it, more akin to sand.
That's why they are idiots, they convinced their father to buy a gigantic deposit of worthless gravel and then they spent the rest of their lives fighting for it.
Gravel is perfect for concrete, which would become valuable with Modern/brutalist Architecture and road construction throughout the 20th century. Too bad most of those plots were sand pits, though it seems a few were pretty profitable.
Little detail in the Mann Family portrait is that Silas is holding keys and nametags, suggesting that he's responsible for Mann Co. selling those items
So next time you make an expensive trade or rename one of your items, know that Silas made it possible!
Cool, so I will curse the Headless Horseless Horsemann now every time I fail to unbox an unusual
I remember joking about the 7th comic ending with everyone using gravel as a substitute for Australium
I didn't know the Mann family never found the stuff, so that might be the planned ending
Oddly enough they did find it later, gravel I mean. I like skymins slashes idea that it was successful in making money
@@henryattfield8979 Didn’t the Gray debut comic state that they did try to use gravel as an energy source but gasoline and petrol existed and were far better?
@@roman108 they were 140, are you going to be in the best facilities at that point?
Nah the planned ending is where everyone dies lol
@@realah3001that was debunked
Silas Mann IMO is such a very mysterious character, after SF 2012 it feels like the comic artists kind of forgot he even existed at all. We still don’t know how he died, when he specifically died(Some time after Zephaniah but before TF2). And what role he played in the creation and management of Mannco.
But if I were to guess of why Silas haunts the mansion and how he died was he was decapitated(Thus being the horseless *Headless* horsemann).
Maybe it’s by someone he knows, was killed by accident or publicly executed
Perhaps his brother Zepheniah hated him or always ignored him? Seeing how in his will he left nothing for him to own. He could have been cast aside by the Mann family members since then and looked down upon or something like that
Him haunting the mansion specifically could be him wanting revenge for not inheriting any of his brother’s wealth
@@roman108 This goes along with the phot of Zephaniah on his death bed, where we can see Silas Mann by himself all the way on the right.
The problem is, if they hated each other they wouldn’t have worked together in Mannco. Unless they developed hatred for each other later in life.
i didnt even know about him until this video and ive been playing tf2 since 2014
@@yuricock Quite a few side characters were left in the dust after the small update comics and maybe the catch up comic.
3:42 God really said "fuck you in particular" to Zepheniah
You know, I've never given it much thought before now, but I wonder if the way Darling was going to get Mann Co. back for Saxton was to do the Mann Co. challenge, and then beat Olivia in, like, a thumb war or something modest like that.
Wait...Grey Mann was raised by the eagle until he was 27...HOW OLD IS THE EAGLE
Parrots can live up to 40+ years i have no idea on the age range of an eagle though
Quick google search shows that bald eagles can live from 15 to 25 years.
27 is not that far off (for a fictional world anyway).
@@roman108yeah, but the eagle was alreafy an adult when he adopted Grey, so that Eagle is probably around 30 years old. Also i did some research and eagles can live longer than 30 years, so yeah, it's definitely possible
@@roman108 NANI DA FUQ
@@mrturtle9129 I think aoto correct mest up your "already"
Edit: aoto correct screwed me too
You forgot that in red spawn you can see Redmond sitting by his immortality machine out of bounds in Mann Manor.
Though spoilers, he isnt fully modeled.
So the last life extender machine was for Zepheniah Nicodemus Mann… Fascinating, they had some sort of plan since then, even deapite his ghost…
So what disease did Zephaniah Mann die from?
Yes
Yeah.
Did not know Charles Darling had a connection to the family. But that might be a hint as to how he could get the company back for Hale.
I always had this headcanon that Silas dabbled in magic, he ends up summoning merasmus and cursing himself and the manor, i mostly imagined this since merasmus has the ability to summon HHH.
Gravel was in fact extreamly valuable at the time of the game, it's when they started building roads and shit like that so they used a lot, it was basically gold at the begining.
Fr i never understood why everyone considered the land useless plus even if the gravel was useless they still could have made the land useful like Building a university or disney World
Good to see you uploading and making artwork again
I like to think the VSH stuff takes place right after Gray kicks Saxton out of Mann Co in the first comic. Pauling runs in to tell the Administrator that Gray took over and fired the mercs... why not have VSH take place in between those two events? That's kind of what the new voice lines in the gamemode imply, and it would make a lot of sense.
I assumed that was the implication, Grey makes the mercenaries kick Hale out, then fires them.
14:16 dang that Soldier has an interesting sing
Squim "animal cruelty" Jim over here leaving hooks in turtles. Fishing Clash is obviously the more conscientious choice!
paid actor
Is this his long lost twin brother? Or an alt?
Thank you for doing the Manns! Considering just how large a part their history forms the background of the TF universe, it can be hard puzzling it all together in a straightforward way, simply by virtue of how that information was parsed out over the years. So to have it laid out in one video is a big help.
Personally speaking, I think the mysterious person in the Mann family portrait *was* originally intended to be Gray, but by the time they finalized his backstory, him being present for his father's passing didn't make much story sense, so they just never gave us that final piece of the photo. Maybe it'll become relevant again someday, but I personally doubt it, given where the story and game have been for the past several years.
And... that relation to Charles Darling is interesting. Never heard of it before, but I can't help but wonder if that's at least a part of why he was involved in the last few years of TF comics.
theoretically, mann vs machine wouldn't have happened if saxton had the balls to punt a child into outer space like he would do to literally anyone else.
Theoretically, gray man could have made another child, so Saxton punting one could be both pointless and bad rep along with morally repulsive
Who do you think is ripped out of the Mann family portrait?
The mann family
Me. Pyro.
maybe radigan conagher?
G. Man. Tf2 is in the half life and portal universe if you consider the AP zap as canon, and he has a suit
i’ve heard a lot of people saying that it’s a relative of Charles and Bette, possibly Charles’ father. it is one of the only options that makes sense. as for why he’s scratched out, idk.
Bit off topic question, what ever happened to the TFC Medic during the comics series? We never see them in the comic since Medic was hired by Grey Gravel Co. to fill in their place.
The ripped out man could possibly be the Abraham Lincoln-esque entity rumored to be in the 7th comic.
11:35 ok i know we're talking about the Mann family here, but I'm legitimately convinced soldier wasn't as dumb as dirt as later in the comics before the lead-poisoned water took a tole on him. This soldier acts somwhat rational and that's both hilarious and suprising.
Fun fact: men don't go trough menapause
So Grey Mann could actually be Olivias actual father
wait but if Olivia was born in the 1960s-1970s she's around 50-60 in present day. There could be a tf2 comic that takes place in 2023 and it would make sense. neat.
And she now probably building a life extender too
@@deyontemyers4109 yeah, there could be a comic with flying cars.
My grandma has a gravel driveway; Is she sitting on a gold mine?
You mean a gravel mine?
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3:42 the side effects on a medication box be like:
I recall a video where someone went into the voicelines of Saxton Hale for the official Vs Saxton Hale gamemode, and found a few where it’s almost as if he’s shutting down when defeated.
In other words, maybe the Saxton Hale we fight in the gamemode is a robot planted by Gray Mann, who then led the mercenaries there as a trap.
Not sure how this fits in the overall lore, tho.
VS Saxton Hale is obviously non-canon but because it's an alternate universe, we know in the comics Gray never tried to recruit the mercenaries against Saxton and the game mode can only end with either all the mercenaries dying or Saxton dying (neither of which can happen.)
This came out just when i got my food
Your a miracle worker Squim
Using Storm Eagle stage theme for when you mention Gray Mann's abduction is hilarious
11:56 even after all this time, I can still hear the Edward Richtofen in Nolan’s voice
Or a very old Nathan drake
Wait... are you Solid Snake?
-No, that is NOT Solid Snake!-
My head cannon for Olivia has always been she is a robot or something that Hale would be fine beating to a pulp and reclaiming his position as ceo with his buff ausie wife
Pretty sure that third device went to Madam Director. She did give Dell's grandfather the Austalium, after all.
The lack of new weapons or balances is lore accurate
VALVE FINISH THE FUCKING COMIC! I DON’T CARE IF TF3 Never releases, I want an ending.
I have a small theory that the administrator could be possibly be the long lost half sister of the mann brothers, who like Gray Mann was hoarding and snorting the Austriliam while her idiot brothers were fighting each other all those years.
Imagine the misterious man is GMan somehow
Family of mann
Blutarch mann (died by his long lost brother)
Redmond mann (died by his long lost brother)
Gray mann (long lost brother got defeated by heavy)
THE 7TH COMIC IS OUT
I REPEAT, THE 7TH COMIC IS OUT
bro fr gave fishing a yelp review while doing an ad
Wonder if they’ll bring back Silas for the last chapter.
I love your lore videos and am really glad your making them so I'll be up to speed when volume 7 drops (it will happen eventually, right?)
Didn’t even mention that the land only has “fools gravel” which is just sand
Didn't Loose Canon take place in 1960, not 1968?
It just says "present day" for the parts with the TF2 Engineer. So we can probably assume it's 1968.
Jesus, I forgot Nolan North voiced Richthofen, so when I heard the voice lines at 11:55, I was so damn confused lmao
13:23 Final comic (copium)
I think the reason why Gray was Zepheniahs favorite is because Gray actually turned out to be quite the cunning bastard unlike Redmond and Blutarch who basically have shit for brains
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I’ve always wondered if/how the OG Team Fortress fits into the lore.
For being, ostensibly, a pointless, violent, and nihilistic shooter, TF2 has some of the best lore
Tf2 lore is stupid bit in a good way, and I love it
There's some secret evidence that they have been planning on doing a voiceover of the last comic but not releasing it
Ima take a wild guess & say that final important character is the Administrator.
Babe wake up, new SquimJim history video just dropped
Love me some After Breakfast with some Bison footage.
I would've loved if Olivia was put in charge of Mann. Just our Mercs working for a little girl. After the death of her father and the avenged by mercs hands. She probably would've just kept them employed. Staging fights for her own entertainment.
Need more official TF2 lore…
I saw Fishing Clash and thought Supercell made a new Clash of Clans game.
Well considering gravel is used in most construction and infrastructure projects I'd say gravels pretty valuable
So... now that the 7th comic is out. Are you gonna make a video making an addendum for the new info it gave? Still, it feels SO WEIRD to have the story finally be finished.... Like, TF2 now has a beginning, middle, and end story wise.
I genuinely did not expect this
The last Mann left standing is a womann!
Jokes aside, she is likely going to have some sort of “the RED vs BLU war will never end” impact on the story.
I'm the real Pyro. Ask me anything.
Are you real?
Are you a woman?
@@SquimJim yes.
Do you know you're hurting people?
Do you deserve?
You should’ve waited until the seventh comic to post this! It’s surely coming out soon! Haha!
Huh, so that’s actually the name for that kind of hat, interesting
Yo SquimJim when is the Spy TF2 vs Spy TFC video coming
its been a year since bug busters
I knew everything in this video even before watching it and I still clicked it
TF3 in 20 years game time
Personally, I think that the person in the middle of the Mann family portrait is Charles Darling
I have never and will never care about TF2 lore, so my only response to this video is "cool".
can you do more of them ?
Squim finally posted...
(Is the next video gonna be tfc engie vs tf2 engie cuz you've been reviewing building plushies on your shorts page)
Right now I'm planning the next vid to be Bug Busters: Pyro
@@SquimJim thanks.
@@SquimJim oOh- cant wait to use deez bugs practically in matches
2:05 and there's a Gorge reskin :/
So many things I didn't know 😮
12:33 you said Saxton hale acts very out of character in VSH mode. What did you mean by this?
I actually might make a whole video on this topic because it bothers me so much. But the Saxton Hale in VSH may as well be an entirely different character to the one from official TF2 media. The biggest example is how angry the VSH Saxton is. Saxton Hale is not an angry person in the slightest and is almost always smiling. It's a complete 180 from everything we know about his character. He would never describe himself as "pissed."
Another major one is him feeling personally betrayed by the mercs switching sides in the VSH story. He barely even knows who the mercs are. He hardly even knows who Gray is.
@@SquimJim I take it you have the same issue with the old Hale then, since that one is even angrier.
@@Small_child_punter Like the old-old VSH Hale? Yeah, I didn't like that one either.
@@SquimJim I like that one. I actually think the new one is TOO soft. TOO not-intimidating. Sounds like a dodge ball coach.
Iv always viewed Hale as really drawn to violence. It makes sense for him to relish killing a bunch of mercs. Calling them girls and talking endlessly about his fists. The context is a little muddy, but hale hardly pays attention to WHY he’s punching. Just that he gets to. I think the old community hale captures that well.
Its about time
Hot Take: Mysterious figure is the G-Man
i hope the turtle fishing was a joke
I wasn't TRYING to catch a turtle...but I did.
Didn’t exact to see another one of these
Love your videos
TFC medic vs TF2 medic
Yes
Hell yeah a new one
Do a video about the administrator next please.
Could the administrator be the person in the photo?
Clearly Silas was Zephaniah’s boyfriend, duh
/j
i find the engineers role sooo wierd
Want More Olivia.
In what way is Saxton out of character in VSH, out of curiosity?
He's generally portrayed as very angry and also personally offended by the betrayal from the mercs in VSH. Saxton Hale is never angry and is always smiling. Saxton saying he's "pissed" and "always angry" is just absolutely nothing like anything he has ever said in any official TF2 media.
He also barely knows who the mercs are and barely knows who Gray is prior to the take over of Mann Co. And even before that he doesn't view Gray as a real threat. There's 0 reason to believe he'd feel personally betrayed by them changing sides. Overall he's written as almost a different character entirely.
This is how you make lore Toby Cox
10/10 use of Storm Eagle's theme, btw.