Is Messi the greatest player of all-time? | Craig Bellamy & Steve Sidwell | The Debate
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Tottenham lost 4-2 to Barcelona in the Champions League but could Spurs have performed better against Barca? And is there player that can compete with Lionel Messi? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
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*I've seen many sharp shooters like Cristiano, Lewandowski etc, many dribblers like Maradona, Best etc, many playmakers like Zidane, Xavi etc, many prolific goalscorers like Ronaldo, Romario etc, many players having vision like Scholes, Modric etc, many having ball control like Iniesta, Ronaldinho etc, many talented Free Kick takers like Beckham, Juninho etc, many speedsters like Bale, Robben etc, many assist providers like Ozil, De Bruyne etc, many passers like Kroos, Pirlo etc.*
*But.. but... I've never witnessed a man who is capable of doing everything... a man who dominates almost all aspects of this game.. other than LIONEL MESSI....*
@del ta err...Videos?
Jithu Krishna
totally agree
He is a super super talented, great world class footballer. He is too good. May God keep him long in this game. God bless u.
You’ve mistaken the last two words of yourcomment, i will correct you:
Johan cruijff.
C. Ronaldo is by the far the most complete offensive player. Messi can't do everything. He does not dominate all aspect of this game. He has poor physique. Not a thread on headers. Many people are faster without the ball. Prime Ronaldo on the other hand dominates in every aspect. I'm not saying Messi isn't better than Ronaldo. Messi is the unique talent, Ronaldo is the guy who made himself have the allround offensive game by hard work. Ronaldo is the guy scoring 10/10 in everything offensive category, Messi is the guy who breaks the scale in the technical aspects and is mediocre in the physical aspects of the game.
This debate is 7 years too late, I already knew Messi was the greatest of all time after his performance in Wembley against United in the 2011 CL final.
What it makes Messi unique is that still is! And not only that, he is definitely better every year that passes. He has been able to take the best of Iniesta and Xavi, add some magic from Ronaldinho (like freekicks)... no words to describe him (as almost everyone that really knows this sport says :)
Peter E As a United fan, the awe and admiration I felt towards Lio Messi was really confusing that night. From a United perspective, bitterly disappointed. As a football fan, grateful to be able to watch an all-time master at work. I think Pele is probably the only other player in history to have the same kind of effect on football fans. "Well... at least we lost to Pele. That was amazing."
Messi is the Wonder ...
Bro,I don't want to disappoint you,but I think Fabio Capello has known in 2005! :-D joke bro,hahaha but it is not far from the truth
The 2008-2009 is the season I thought Messi is gonna be huge.
The scary part is he's 31 and doesn't look like he's finishing anytime soon
Nah, at 34+ he'll play further back but for some reason I think he'll still be scoring I mean the guy always passes it into the net and I'm not talking about a tap in because that would require you to be by the goal line with the net open. This guy is passing the ball into the net from the 12 yard spot with a keeper in front of him. It's way too easy for Messi. They need a new difficulty level for him.
@@jimjones3287 there is a higher difficulty for him, its called international football
@luminous that's true but he has done very similar things on that stage too so your point is void. Now if you are talking about TROPHIES then that's on Argentina but as far as individual skill, he is still dribbling past multiple people, still giving beautiful passes, still scoring free kicks, Argentina's all time scorer (remember Maradona played for Argentina), so again, your point is null and void. (I'm going off individual performances)
That first hit the post yesterday was outrageous! Effortless. Truly GOAT
One more champions league trophy he can quit
As a United fan I have a lot of respect for Ronaldo and what he did for us. But watching Messi playing football must be one of the most satisfying things there is. It’s not just a game for him it’s a work of art. Never seen anything like it.
Long live bro
Couldn't be more agree
is he the goat no or not quite?
agree
Same
Messi 22 goals in 29 games vs English teams and yet they say he can't do it in the prem
who plays for barca? barca have great players all over the pitch and missy has a whole system for him to shine the most, he wont get that anywhere else but probably city and that would obviously be because of pep.
@@imthedaddyq9087 Ronaldo is just a poacher nothing more...what a twat
Aguero was destroying the prem long before Pep mate so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about
+I'mTheDaddy Q so you mean the great players around Messi make him dribble the entire team.. foolish logic
That's why we love it when England and English teams get hammered.
Its nice that Messi took a stop to drop a master class in England. Have the whole nation humbled with all this "Hazard is getting to Messi's level". But in all seriousness, as someone who watches La Liga week in and week out, this shouldnt surprise you. I have become so desensitized to these Messi performances that it baffles me how Prem watchers are in amazement how well Messi plays. Truly the best, with the ball at his feet, there has been no player that has ever matched his talent.
Couldn't agree more on every single point you made.
As someone who follows very closely both Laliga and EPL, I can't help but see England as a very isolated county football-wise:
They see their league as the "best toughest hardest" without having the slightest of clues what happens in the other ones; they consider Manchester United (which happens to be my favourite team btw) the biggest club in the world 😂 according to their pundits, the prem has the best goalkeeper and striker in the world (De Gea and Kane); they are enthralled by this "new" concept of building from the back as if they have discovered America, completely oblivious to the fact that it has been used for ages etc etc etc. I'm sure you're well aware of these and more.
Anyway, let's cap it off with one of the many hilarious quotes I just read from the legendary Napoli owner Aurelio De Laurentiis. On rumour linking Hamsik and Lavezzi with England, he responded:
"If they want to go to England then in the end they're going to go, but they need to understand this: the English live badly, eat badly and their women do not wash their genitalia. To them, a bidet is a mystery."
Cheers!
Informed English football fans and pundits are fully aware that "building from the back" has been around for ages outside England, but you should understand that for a long time English football was refereed differently (and, to some extent, still is), so it's hardly surprising that the game is played in a different way.
For a long time English clubs had a comparable record in Europe to Spanish and Italian clubs, but unfortunately the isolation began due to the bans relating to hooliganism (again, all informed English fans see this as a low point in our footballing history). It was around this time - the late eighties and early nineties - that English football really started to evolve differently from continental football. You might be surprised to know that in the early eighties it was often Spanish teams who were known for being violent thugs (including Barcelona, but especially Athletic Bilbao).
This forked path caused the English game a lot of problems - it became insular in its mindset, it became almost a different sport. It meant that successful English teams would often struggle in European competitions because (a) they couldn't attract top foreign players, (b) players and managers had missed out on several seasons of European football, and (c) referees would penalise English players for challenges that were allowed in the Premier League.
And then from around 1999 onwards (Man Utd's treble season), English football started to recover. From 2000 to 2018, the Premier League has had the 1st or 2nd UEFA coefficient in 12 out of the 15 rankings produced so far (the rankings cover overlapping 4-year periods). From 2004-12 the Premier League was UEFA's top-ranked league in Europe. It is currently second behind La Liga.
The Premier League is, in many ways, no longer a "tough hard" league because it has started to fall in line more with international rule interpretations, and to the realities of playing in European competition. There's no point in playing "tough hard" football if it just gives away fouls and red cards.
English football has introduced a ton of foreign players and foreign managers (hardly the sign of an "isolated" football culture). Most informed English fans would still agree that at the very top level, Spain (Madrid, Barca), Italy (Juve), Germany (Bayern) are often superior to English teams. But the Premier League is clearly the most competitive league - 4 different clubs have won the Premier League in the last 6 seasons (compared with 1 in Bundesliga, 1 in Serie A, 2 in Ligue Un, and 3 in La Liga over the same period). 5 different English clubs (and 6 British clubs) have won the Champions League or European Cup - no other country comes close to that spread of different winners.
Regarding the racial slurs, the English eat quite well now, by the way, and you'd be surprised how many English women wash their genitalia. (I suspect your only experience of female genitalia is Pornhub videos, anyway, so not clear why you are concerned with genital hygiene.)
As for the original comment about a 'whole nation humbled with all this "Hazard is getting to Messi's level"'... Spurs are the 4th or 5th best team in England, and last time I checked Hazard doesn't play for them. This savage burn makes no sense.
@Assassins Creed 42 What an all-round amazing comment hahahah
I can relate😂
Is that the reason he has not even been nominated in UEFA and FIFA's Best player award ???
Messi at 31 looked the fittest man on that pitch. Kane looked about 35 out there.
Kane hasn't looked fit since that Croatia match, he's slow and his positioning is off.
Kane always been slow lol
😂😂😂😂
@Raymond raymondson he scored a goal
Scored a goal out of nothing though, didn’t he?
Yet more proof Messi could do it in the Prem. He routinely destroys our representatives in the champions league (bar chelsea for a while) yet people say he couldn't perform against the lower teams.
The only people who seem to cling on to this are either Ronaldo fanboys, who try and use it as a reason for why Ronaldo is better, or people who believe the prem is the best league in the world and will do anything to discredit other leagues.
As a supporter of a premiership side I believe it is the most exciting league in the word but if we are being honest it certainly isn't the best.
It's definitely the best, you're simply ignorant
But can he do it v stock.
Thats why the english clubs Dominated the tournaments where both competitions met :)? and i love how you never respond btw @Suraj's Opiniion is Better
How Epl teams won Ucl last 10 year?
Messi only has one thing left to prove to show that he can make it in the prem..
Stoke,,,on a cold rainy Tuesday night...………….the final test.
Messi is simply the asset no team has a counter for, he is unstoppable
Messi hasn't got past a Semi final for 3 years, stop all this crap about him being unstoppable when Juventus pocketed him, ignorant and dumb fan
Lovren would make Messi look like Heskey
Chelsea stopped him for 10 years, 10 games only 3 goals which all came last year.
@@Dr.MorsIcatis chelsea got lucky. Messi hit the post. 10 years? You act like they played each other each n every year
@@deadlydimitarr Juventus pocketed him? What happened last time in Camp Nou?
I'm not a big Messi fan but it has to be said that he is the best player of all time.
How can you not be a fan of the best of all time? He's a joy to watch.
I love his low curling long passes
Alan Smith I am actually, just that I’m a bigger fan of Neymar but even I know that he isn’t on the same level as Messi.
holly molly, really? I suppose you mean you prefer individual brazilian style? I really enjoyed watching Ronaldinho, he was pure magic. With respect, don't want this to sound offensive but Neymar seems to me like a bad copy of him; still a very good player, sometimes even great, but not a great one often enough to be considered as one. And I'm talking about football, not about his character... no comments on that :D
@@whocares3418 Neymar is a failed Pele clone who can pass well
Cristiano Ronaldo is a goal getter, your jaw drops at his raw goal output and the consistency in which he's been doing it. Stick him up front in any side and they have a chance at winning games purely because his off ball movement is godly. Messi is on a completely different level to him though, not only is he matching Ronnie's goal output but he's arguably the best in the world in every single position he plays, whether that's up front, as a winger, central mid or inside forward/attacking mid. His dribbling, technique creativity and above all else awareness on the pitch is on a different planet to everyone else. IMO, Cristiano goes down as one of the top 10 ever, Messi is number one and by a long way too.
Nicely said, Messi is easily the greatest ever in my books. A tap in Merchant that loves diving for penalties won't change that
I couldn't agree more :)
@@aseelb8024 he isn't a tap on merchant you disrespecting asshole. These things make me hate barca fans the most.. alright say messi is best and whatever..and he really is but don't disrespect Cris. Most like you are dumbasses... I get that messi put in a stellar performance but wtf is cris included in this..
Great comment! Short, concise and on point - very Messi like. But seriously, nicely put - just as Messi does with the ball in the net. I'll see myself out.
@@aseelb8024what's wrong with scoring tapins? You think Ronaldo should just miss tapins on purpose? What an idiot you are, Messi is better, but you are just ignorant.
This is what I watch every week when I watch barca. It never surprises me how good messi is. The greatest player ever
They lost to Barca. Hardly the end of the world. Didn't think Spurs played bad to be honest.
Spurs are a top side, Eriksen is the key to their pressing game and movement going forward, Barca still an average side under Valverde
Well they are going to Europa
@@adi_LDN I dunno
Could be inter at Wembley barca beat Inter still open but difficult
@@adi_LDN to win ??????????????
Spurs were missing Rose, Aurier, Dembelle, Erikson, Vertonghen and Deli Alli meaning 5 of them are big players for Spurs at the moment who are hardly on form.. I think Spurs did great but Barca are going to have the advantage with possession play against the best teams in europe and that includes RM, Juve, BM, Liverpool and MC.. The game was so open and that's why Messi had 4 to 5 chances.. He hit the post twice and could of had a hatrick against a weakened Spurs side.. Dembelle was missed because he usually dominates midfield and people forget this. Erikson unlocks defenses creating chances plus he's very good from set pieces.. Vertonghen our best CD was out and it showed as Sanchez looked unsure even though he tried his best but he'll come good. We missed Rose speed at wing back and Deli Alli's support for Kane who had to make his own chances and scored one.. Aurier was missing to and he is getting better all the time. The only teams that can play Barca at their own game in the PL at the moment are MC and Liverpool and both teams are on form at the top end of the PL table.. BBC pundits need to do their homework.. We're also playing away from home at Wembley which is another factor not taken into account and the purse is also tight with the new stadium nearing completion..
Messi isn't just the greatest footballer of all time.... In my eyes he's the greatest athlete ever.
lofy todo i wouldn’t say athlete tho tbh lebron James, Mohammed Ali, cr7 have better cases for athlete
Mwansa Mwansa lebron James has a better case then MJ?
@@mcm0923 I think it depends on what you mean by the term "athlete".
If you mean purely physical ability, then obviously Messi shouldn't be considered the best ever.
But if you mean it as in the best "player of any sport" ever, then I'd say he has a strong case. In my opinion he is the best football player to ever play the game and football is by far the biggest sport in the world, meaning it also has the most competition by far.
Being a top10 player in football is way more difficult, than being a top10 player in, for example, hockey (I love hockey btw).
qenjaboy yeah you right messi is the best , ronaldo should retire soon
Todo gay do you even know who Rafa Nadal is?!!
I hate when people say Messi hasn’t done it on the international level. Bullshit. He’s led Argentina, an overall weak team coaching and defense considered, to three huge finals. He’s won Player of the Tournament for the World Cup. Just like Modric. Now would you say Modric hasn’t done it on the international level?? No. So why with with Messi? Then people will say well la liga is a bad league getting those numbers is easy. How come he controls games against every epl team Barcelona plays then? Messi has been the best for every team, against any team. If you WATCH him play and look at what he's done, there will never be a doubt in your mind that he stands alone above every player that has set foot on the pitch. He’s the greatest.
Edit: to the people in the comments, y'all gotta stop. Messi hasn't "shown up" during big games? So has every player literally ever. If y'all wanna cherry pick games, I could go on all day about big games where C. Ronaldo has not only not "shown up" but has been legitimately damaging to his team. But I'm not gonna do that because I don't care. Every player EVER has not shown up during big games. It's a feeble argument to try to discredit any player with. Messi has proven that he CAN show up in big games tho (multiple UCL playoff and final games, clasicos, and international games) and so has C. Ronaldo! ...What I care about is the fact that Messi's style of play is more beautiful, engaging, and dominant than any player's to ever live. He makes his teammates better, but he doesn't need all-star teammates to be amazing. It just so happens to help that it's a statistical FACT that Messi is the best, most complete player ever.
@@sm7Vx That's the point. When Messi doesn't turn up the entire team fails. Just compare the stats when Messi does and doesn't play. Last season, the only game Barca lost was without Messi. Messi wasn't great against Roma last season but no other Barca player turned up. Cristiano was even worse against Bayern and Liverpool but other players turned up.
Not a Barca fan btw.
Thats just fact mate but to correct you not 3 but 4 finals 3 consecutive and 1 back in the day and an Olympic gold
@@sm7Vx well said.... Ronaldo is a game changer and he never accepts defeat till the last minute.. But Messi did not show that intensity when his team is loosing in UCL or when playing for Barcelona... I agree messi is a great player but he never performs under pressure and in big matches
@@sm7Vx Wake me up when real wins 2 trebles and cr7 wins player of the tournament.
Dr. Dan Bigs literally about to say that. Dybala, higuain, di Maria, aguero, mascherano, rojo, otamendi, lamela, Perez, lanzini just to name a few of that weak team lol
ronaldo is just a goalscorer... never compare him with messi
i don't, cr7 is far much better.
SINGH fact. Ronaldo doesn’t have messi’s skill and footballing IQ. No debate
@@key-ur5vz with?
SINGH you never watched ronaldo 2006-2014 then. Now messi is better but Cr7 is old
ronaldo was never better than messi at any age bro
It kills me when people say that Messi is not the GOAT simply because he has not won the world cup.There is no player that has captivated and mesmerized like Lionel Messi has and with the level of consistency He's manipulation over the ball is staggering. He's dribbling, vision, passing, balance is beyond words.Pele and Maradona were great but they, like the rest in history cannot match Messi in a Barcelona shirt
If champions league is bigger than world cup than messi is the best but wait wait Madrid won it 4 in 5 years 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
none Real Madrid is a team. Are you comparing a team with one player? That's your level of reasoning?
@@TheTanzanitepure
Well indeed Champions League is bigger than World Cup.
No one has played the game better than Maradona in the 1986 World Cup.
Well he’s got one now😉
Arsenal lost to Barca at Nou Camp with Messi mesmerizing and Arsenal were blasted, no leaders, no passion, no tactics etc. Spurs lost to Messi at 'home' "let's just stand back and applaud Messi" they gave it their all.
Rubbish!!!!!!!!
Spurs actually challenge big teams, Arsenal can't and don't
@@sam10309
Barca fans know nothing about football tbh
@@sam10309 Nope, we actually beat them at home 2-1
+Suraj's Opinion is Better lol I've seen your stupid comments everywhere, you're the one who doesn't know about football lol.
@@deadlydimitarr Arsenal got to the Champs League final beating Juve and Madrid along the way, what is ur point?
The best 3 soccer players whose attacking point(assists and goals a game) in history
1. Messi (1.24)
2. Suarez (1.09)
3. Ronaldo (1.06)
Messi is the type of footballer that makes everyone (opposing players and coaches, teammates and spectators) rethink the way that the game should be played. CR7 has been phenomenal, no doubt, he has shown us the peak that an attacking footballer can reach by honing his body to the last mascular fibre and making use of every type of technological advancement humanity has to offer the elite athlete. But what Messi shows us is what football would look like if it were to become an art piece. Where passes, dribbles, goals, crosses, work rate, defensive plays, even moments of standing still on the pitch are all brush strokes, colour palettes and splashes of paint on the canvas that is football.
Ronaldo plays football ridiculously well, Messi makes art through the medium of football.
the way i like to say it, Ronaldo plays efficient effective football while Messi plays football with magic that pretty much no one has ever done or will ever done.
Well said my friend. Probably the best quote I've ever heard about these two players - "Ronaldo plays football ridiculously well, Messi makes art through the medium of football."
Very good my friend, this is an art form.
well put
Now aren't you supposed to be a poet or something....straight to the point Sir...
"Lloris has come raring out, not pulled the handbrake up" - was that intentional? 😂
Lioris didn't have Vertonghen, Rose, Dembelle, in front of him which means the game was going to be more open.. Deli was missing also as support for Kane along with Erikson playing as play maker behind Deli and Kane who's also a master at set pieces.. This was a serverly weakened Spurs side who could easily of had 4/5 goals on the night but people forget this.
It was a sarcastic remark about his drink driving charge...Come on man get with it.
@@dfstarborn Nah, the goals Barcelona conceded were due to stupid mistakes. Barcelona could easily have scored 6 goals had Messi not hit the post twice.
lets not take the credit away from spurs i am being honest barca were superior and outplayed us greatly but there were no mistakes in barca conceding its just we got the 2 goals
We will never see a player like Messi again. I've never seen anyone do what he can do with the ball. He's the greatest player ever 🐐
Best players in history imo
1. Messi
2. Zidane
3. Ronaldinho
4. Maradona
5. Cruyff
6. Pele
7. George Best
8. Ronaldo Nazrio de Lima
Shit compared to Maradona.
Word Life they all have something unique though. It’s not like they are made in a factory.
He wouldn't of had so much freedom if Spurs had Dembelle, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Deli and Rose on the pitch.. Come on now, as that was a weakened Spurs side..
Dáithí Ó Pléimeann he would have had less freedom with players like Dembele but still not enough I’ve seen Hazard pick apart Spurs Messi is going to be Messi when he’s in the mood whether it’s Real Madrid or juventus or Bayern or man city and definitely spurs Messi is going to be Messi
Salah is the new GOAT
"Messi is gonna slow up"....5 years later and he's now a world cup champion and is still the best player in the world with his 8th Ballon d'Or incoming. No sign of slowing down just yet❤️🐐👑🙏
C.Ronaldo is a goalscorer. Messi is the best football player... If we are talking about the art of football
then Messi
But pele has more goals than penaldo
@@orioncreation-iitian that'why cristiano ronaldo is not the goat.
@@orioncreation-iitian Pele played and scored against bums.
Messi is also a better goalscorer
Prove to me that Ronaldo is just a goal scorer
Messi is the GOAT!! Best player. What he offers with his passing range, dribbling, controls the game, game awareness, goal scoring, the list goes on! I love CR7 with his determination and work rate, but he’s just goals really, especially the last few years! Messi is the BEST!!
Ronaldo is a 1 dimensional player compared to Messi.....Messi operates in the 5th dimension and can see things before they happen...….he has so much more awareness of whats going on around him on an almost "psychic" level.
Mr Hole exactly!! Great summary
Football is about scoring what more can he do highest scorer in the history of the champions league over 3 teams while messi only ever plays in 1 team thats more 1 dimensional to me
Messi is the most complete player in the HISTORY and what a performance last night he is a joy to watch week in week out a very very special player hopefully many more years of enjoyment from for me one of the true GREATS VISCA BARCA 🏆
The game was so open because Dembelle, Erikson, Vertonghen, Rose and Deli were all missing.. This was close to Spurs b - team but Spurs still played brilliant in the second half but none of the pundits take any of this into account.. What game were they watching.. Spurs could of had 3/4 goals and Messi only had 4 to 5 chances because the game was so open..
Spurs always get the media pass lol imagine if this was Man Utd or Arsenal 😂😂
Because they don't spend much . They are still a good team. Imagine spending millions on defenders like bailley and Lindelof and still going after Toby from spurs. Look at the wages of Sanchez and son. And look who is doing better. Now you have got your answer.
They played better , Tottenham fought back well
Arsenal puts a 10-2 Bayern performance and United lost to Sevilla
Tottenham with a fraction of budget is playing brilliantly
Sushrut Sharma tottenham don’t spend much less than Arsenal with the exception of last summer. In fact at one point Spurs were spending more!
United though well that’s another story. They spend money like nothing and clearly on nothing lol
because they don't cause massive headlines for the worst of matches
PATRICK GOATHOMES BANDWAGON agree, the media’s favorite pet.
What I think is Messi's most under appreciated attribute is the weight of his pass.. it's not just about accuracy.. it's about how measured they are under the most difficult if circumstances.. players with only that attribute have made carriers out of that and have been referred to as world class.. and it's just another facet of Messi's game.. he is Godeque..
The other guy saying this is the best messi performance in England is a joke.. Did he watch barca vs Man city 2015 at eithaid?? He single handedly humbled city....what a performance that day.
True, he was involved in both goals scored by Suárez that day and gave all City players hell.
But probably, since he missed a penalty + the rebound in the final minute, they forgot all about it.
And then of course there is his perfomance at Wembley in the 2011 CL final. Even his performance at Stamford Bridge potato pitch in 2006 when he was 18 was already an exceptional performance.
EA Xposed
Exactly... U know football
@@curtisshawnjohnson97
So technically Messi has challenged English clubs since he was 18 then?
Against arsenal 2010 was next level
@@mosamuel7708 yes have you not seen him.
messi created 10 killer passes.. 🐐
Pele won three World Cups...
raprice79 *brazil.
Remember, Messi is better than pele. It’s obvious
@@seanwalsh7542 It really, really isn't. Messi has done poorly at international level compared to other great players, who he is supposedly better than.
@@raprice79 wtf man..he got the finale thrice..so according to you..if he had just not missed that goal that he missed with an inch and won the world cup..you would have considered him the best..he has 65 international goals..2 in the current players because Ronaldo has played more games...so stfu..he even got the world cup golden boot
@@raprice79 when you say poorly what do you mean?
He is their all time elading scorer, their all time leading assister, their all time leading chance creator, their all time leading key passer, all time leading succes ful dribbled player. He won the 2014 world cup player of tournament. he won player of 2015 copa america tournament. he went to three staright finals where he was the catalyst in taking them there. he played very well in the 2016 copa final. he has a u-20 olympic godl medal an u-22 world cup medal. How on gos earth can you say he is poor at international level. especially considering his role as a playmaker while having to score as well. so if higuain scors the one on one then messi si the goat?
It's logic like this that makes me feel bad for people like you who dont understand nor appreciate what messi is. get a grip and stop reading into narratives, watch the games, go toschool, edcuate yourself, and be more self aware.
I have to ask Ronaldo fans..like almost 90 percent of the experts and legends say Messi is the best..only Cristiano's fans and he himself says he is the best..
bellamy is a expert? and linkier right? lmao
let me quote you a legend of football, alfredo di stefano when asked if missy peenaldo are anywhere near pele "missy peenaldo both great but pele is incomparable, he was like both of them combined" you see, now this has weight of a legend behind the statement not a barca licker liniker and bellamy who the F is he?
ok, so you have denied a statement of a legend who has seen all 3 play, good, and get well soon.
TEEN ENTERTAINING TECH
Ronaldo could not *dream* of doing half the things messi can do...not trying to put down the guy-- great player.
Messi is just messi.
Maybe ronaldo knows leadership and motivates his teammates that's why he has a hero who won the euro
while not playing in the finals messi lacks that losing 3 finals
all woth Argentina and 3 quarter finals with barca in ucl ronaldo dominates him and country.
I come here after Messi won the world cup, and ended the GOAT debate, while for me he was the GOAT 10 years ago.
Bearded Messi > Clean shaven
Long hair Messi > Short hair
We need bearded long mane Messi.
Agreed
Kind of disagree, remember when he scored 91 goals in 69 games in a year? He didn't have a beard, and that was Messi in his absolute prime
Harry Morris agreed. Jus tooling fun at how recent things went bad when he returned with a clean shaven face.
Pinhead first off, who you calling pinhead, pinhead? Haha.
Secondly, yeah I know he's been the best for years. Just thought it was a joking coincidence.
Just like pirlo then 😀
"He is the greatest of all time in my book." And that's really all there is to it.
Messi is the greatest in history by country miles
Because you started to watch football in 2000 so naturally you never saw maradona
@@TheTanzanitepure hahahaha messi overpassed maradona
@@TheTanzanitepure mate he never even won a champions league.WTF?
'naturally you never saw maradona' your a great comedian.The satatistics show it.And your eyes see it.Bear in mind maradona used crack.Soooooo...
@@themerovingian7154 so if lineker says so u believe him , what Maradona did in 1986 world cup messi couldn't do it in 4 world cups
@@themerovingian7154 before 2000 Indian and Pakistan's play cricket only but once you people starting watching football, every thing about football became jokes just like dumb like u supporting the most overrated media player messi, .Messi can play 100 years and still can't win world cup it's naturally known that world cup is for men and legends
Messi is the greatest footballer I have ever seen in the history of the game.
That is like... 100% irrelevant to the topic.
Hes the greatest we've all seen
messi was incredible last night
Tottenham were played off their own pitch by a better side, great game by Arthur and Suarez not to mention Messi's ridiculous performance
The King Tottenham did miss eicksen and delli in this match
The King Spurs weren't completely played off the pitch. They showed character and got two goals without 5 1st team players.
The King its not their own pitch though, wembley isnt spurs home ground
Spurs outplayed Barca in the 2nd half, what game were you watching? Spurs could easily of had 3 to 4 goals and Messi had 4 to 5 chances because the game was so open.. Spurs were missing their rock in defense Vertonghen and the pace of Rose at wing back.. They were also missing their rock in the middle Dembelle plus the play making King and set piece taker Erikson and Deli as support for Kane who also has a goal or two in him in the CL.. This was a severely weakened Spurs side who gave Barca a good game.. Messi was shattered at the end of the game because Spurs ran them ragged in the 2nd half.. Credit were its due friend as one must take all these things into account before one judges.
SayberV1 5?😂😂😂
Spurs were destroyed, even at times you would think that Barça were the home team.
Very true. You could say that about 98% of their games throughout the season if you watch them that's what makes them so special. It's quite literally in their DNA to dominate opponents
Domination station.
Messi is the greatest ever but if Brazilian ronaldo didn't get all those knee ligament injuries he could have been imo. At 18, 19 he was scoring 50 goals. His pace, agility, power and dribbling was at a different level to anything.
Keep the " What if".. This R9 nostalgia fans are the worse
you are right
BUT
the pace, power and agility he played with were the cause of his injuries.
Messi had the same explosion type game and got injured several times because of it.
So he changed his game and yet he is still the best player.
Fenomeno without his monster agility, pace and power lost a lot of his dribbling, and that made him more "human".
The same goes for Robben... he only knows to play the game one way. Without injuries we could debate the best 3 players of the last decade.
So there's no IF here...
Ronaldo Nazario's body couldn't handle the power he needed to excel.
He didn't changed his style.
Consequences
Football is more competitive and challenging now.
thats the thing. Ronaldo couldnt adapt to the changing meta of football. Fantastic player but he couldnt keep up. Now look at Messi and compare his playstyle for the early ones to now. He shifted as a player. From a traditional pacey right winger to a composed playmaker who utilizes his vision and passing skills to the absolute max. Not to mention he scores 40+ goals a season somehow. He doesnt do those runs in the right side dribbling 4 defenders and scoring from there. He shifted but is still godlike as a playe
@@mohammadsameer0409 I respectfully disagree. The globalisation of football has resulted in a small number of giant clubs concentrating wealth and, crucially, the best players. The benches of Barcelona, Juventus, Man City etc. Are full of brilliant players who would be very effective at other clubs. This concentration of talent means that the big clubs have fewer tough games than they did in the 1990s. The corollary is that the big clubs have never been stronger, with some exceptions e.g. AC Milan early-90s are still the best club side ever for me.
We will never know how great Ronaldo would have been injury-free but considering how great he was with injuries, I think we can say he'd be on Messi and C Ronaldo's level. A different player and arguably not better, but definitely on the same level.
As a Barca fan when Spurs scored their second goal I knew then it would be 4-2 I've watched a lot of games where teams attack trying to get back in the game but they leave the likes of Messi in space
Why people still debating about Messi? He's just a gift from God
Can't blame Spurs for losing to the GOAT. They played well in the 2nd half but they were up against the greatest football player ever at the peak of his powers.
Messi is the greatest individual to ever play the game. Ronaldo is a fantastic goal scorer but what Messi does on the pitch.. I have never seen anyone close to it.
Because you were born 2000 and started watching messi in 2010 so no blame for you
@@TheTanzanitepure wtf are you trying to say lmao you high?
Ball is life ronaldo isn’t even top ten
Neymar hatrick and nobody cares HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ejad Opatra 2 against Spurs is better than 3 against Red Star lol
Oh.... Neymar is still in Messi's shadow..
Poor Neymar, tried to escape Messi's shadow but no matter what he does, he'll always be in it
bgg Geometry nobody's talking about Brazil and Argentina. But keep going, mate. Lol
If you stop Messi you stop barca
If you stop sturridge you beat Liverpool
If you keep Mourihno you stop Utd 😂😂😂😂😂
did you miss the goals form Coutinho and Rakatic?
@@therambler3713 Did you see who was the reason they scored?
Spurs missing rock in defense Vertonghen, rock the middle Dembelle, their creative set piece middle man Erikson, Rose pace at wing back and Deli for support with Kane.. Aurier was also missing as one can easily see that this was a severely weakened Spurs side who could of easily scored 4/5 goals on the night as the game was so open.. And this is why Messi had 4 to 5 clear chances..
Wasn’t even Barca’s full squad either.
no roberto umtiti and dembele yeah
Alot fuller then spurs lol
James Harte no, didn’t have 2 key defenders, no Dembele, no Malcom, Vidal came on late, Suarez isn’t even there best striker.
@@TK-zz1je if Suarez isn't Barca's best striker then who is? This starting 11 is no doubt Barca's best
Smarticus it’s not there best, no umtiti, Roberto, dembele, Malcom, Vidal brought on late, and munir is there best striker.
Imagine what the score would have been if they played barca 5-10 years it would have been 40 nil
OllieDigi23 Spurs would have still scored. Barca have always had a weak defence
@@eldio2124 but they r still a great team, Spurs r not.
@@eldio2124 puyol and pique at cb and they have a weak defense
Az Hoax if you know anything about football or that Barcelona team. You know that defending was their weakness. It’s a fact, go and do some research on it
@@eldio2124 Yeah but even when their defence was weak, their attack is sublime, so it always ends up 4-2 or 5-2 or something like that
6:30 for the real discussion if he's the GOAT
Thank you so much Bruh I've been looking for this
I much rather have Arthur in Barcelona’s 11 then dembele, Barcelona played much better and fluent with coutinho in lw and Arthur in midfield. Dembele always loses possession of the ball 75 percent of the time on a 1 on 1
I agree
FC BARÇA I agree he was a waste of money and was rushed because we couldn’t get either Verrati nor Coutinho last summer.So Barca rushed to pay 100+ million on this player who is nothing special tbh
FC BARÇA Also Suárez needs to get the F outta this team.We need a real striker and his time is over
if suarez didnt have the awareness to dummy, Messi might not have scored those two goals. Just because he isn't scoring the goals he did 14/15 15/16, doesn't undermine the importance of his general play and tactical awareness.
He is useless just one *OK* play with that fake doesn;t make him good enough to be *BARCELONA's* first striker
Those three guys knows football!!
They speak with a perspective from inside the game!!
More of a ronaldo fan due to his amazing work ethic and incredible goal scoring but Messi is the best player of all time.
Brilliant in dribbling. Brilliant in passing. Brilliant in scoring. Brilliant in assisting. Brilliant with free kicks. Previous 10-11 years we seeing The Best player EVER Lionel Messi era👽
Barca dominated wouldn't have mattered who was on the pitch spurs are lucky it wasn't 5 or 6
SUPERSTAR_H_GAMER
Are you joking right now?
Alli, eriksen, vertonghen, dembele, would not have mattered?!
Don't make me laugh now.
@@beawesome7407 other than eriksen nobody really makes a difference Barcelona played around toby who is spurs best defender dembele os declining as well
Eat Healthy barcelona were also missing dembele, sergio roberto and umtiti
kroos Konadu oh yes, dembele is a huge impact. Fantastic talent.
Roberto...possibly he would have played, possibly not.
Umtiti is rubbish imo.
@@beawesome7407 umtiti is rubbish lmao was the best defender in spain last season
Craig made the perfect point and thats what seperates the goats from the sheep. "They pick their moment in games".
A would like to thank, the debater, your so knowledgeable, perfect, I like how you raise point, I started watching this tube, after you make good analysis MUFC vs Valencia
great job!!!
Barca is nothing without Messi. Im a Real Madrid fan, and now when Ronaldo is gone, i can happily say that Messi is the GOAT.
Very dumb shit to say hahaha. The rest of Barca put their foot up in Madrid's ass when Y'all decided to man marked Messi all over the patch gtfoh
Clasico 5 1 without Messi stfu
Who ever understand football knows Messi is the Best of all time
Messi is natural
I am so proud that i watch him and his videos every now and then i hope he stays strong and show the world the magic of football and how it brings happiness to the people ❤️
He is not only the GOAT, I think in no sport there was never anyone so much better than the rest
Yes, no doubt. Next question please.
nope. not even close mate
Straight to the point. Ha ha ha. 👏👏👏
Lloris was woeful. Time to give Gazzaniga a real shot.
Sure, blame it on the goalkeeper; he's an easy target.
@Ricardo Lanzini 😂😂😂😂 u serious mate . He is the reserve goalie after Michel Vorm of Tottenham.
Shame Tottenham were missing 3 extremely key players and maybe they still would have lost but not having dele ali, erikson, and vertonghen is not only huge from an individual stand point but they love and are very efficient in that 3 5 2 formation or 3 5 1 1 where dele drops off the striker so not having those 3 starters available was a shame but credit to Barcelona and what more can u say about the GOAT Messi.....just WOW and I'm not even a big Messi fan but those passes he supplies his teammates with are just incredible and literally on a plate!!
Yes he is no debate needed. It's just too obvious at this point to where having an argument is just not needed anymore.
Is Water Wet?
Messi is the greatest player in history of football.
4 years later, and now there's no doubt.
@6:08 Do they? Lord Andre Gomes? Arthur is class though! That's what we want, players comfortable at keeping the ball and moving forward with it on the pitch. More players like that and Messi.... watching him is just amazing! I used to love watching Pirlo & Zidane for their style and those deft touches and Messi is exactly the same. He is the greatest! Love watching him every week
Must burn all those Messi haters that even when the balón de or marketing trophy doesn’t nominate Messi he still outperforms everyone and he is recognized by commentators coaches and all his opponents. Messi is the best player in the world and has been since 2007.
There should be no debate about this. So obvious Messi is the best ever
I’m a 40 year old bloke from Barcelona living in UK that has always supported Barça (F.C Barcelona) for as long as my first memory can recall. When Messi retires I will cry like a little girl. What an honour we have we can all say to future generations ‘I saw Messi play’
Watched the game at Wembley last night.been witnessed some movement from Barcelona was incredible.spurs didn't play bad without three key players but they just faced a team who can play football with great art.just salute Barcelona.
You are exactly right Craig. You were no where near a world-class player.
Roflmao..
Haha
And you play for?
But hard work got him to play on top class teams.
@@TheMongolat you be a substitute pal
@@mmustap3 learn to spell asshole
People talk about Ronaldo’s evolution to defeat father time where he has been relegated to a penalty box poacher with all other aspects of his game declining (dribbling, playmaking, free kicks). Whereas Messi has retained his dribbling ability, become the best free kick taker in the world, improved his already great playmaking, and adapted to a much deeper role while still out scoring all of Europe. Comparisons of him with Ronaldo, especially in recent years are just mind boggling to me, he’s clearly levels ahead.
Messi and CR7 though with contrasting styles have achieved very similar in their careers. One may have few more domestic league titles and another may have few more champions league titles but their output remains very high, season after season. One is among the greatest of the great in terms of dribbling and passing while the other have shown off the ball movement like no other. They both are equally good to be honest.
Its a shame that they will probably never play in the same team. They have such a complimentary styles.
Rohan Chatterjee that’s disgusting behaviour
dwill180 ronaldo isn’t even top ten lmao
He's spot on. Messi is not only a prolific goal scorer, but also a better dribbler, better passer, better freekick taker, better team player and an honest player. Whenever I watch him play, it gives me goosebumps.
I watched Maradona growing up, I always he was the absolutely greatest thing and got into soccer at the age of 6.
We should stop asking if he is the best in history, we’ve been knowing he’s the best of all time since 2012
Maradona- best of all time and won the WC on his own in an era when defenders could hack forwards down as well as uneven pitches - Messie has never made an impact at any WC. As Glen Hoddle once said - Messie is an unbelievable player but you put Maradonna on these modern pitches with the current tackling rules and he would be untouchable
Such Incredible breakdown...Thumbs up..
Why is this still a debate ? YESSSSSS
PSV isnt a guaranteed win home or away for Tottenham, especially so since Spurs so often bottle it against the "smaller" teams and/or if the pressure is on.
Modrici he s the best and Salah....hahahah....What insult for the soccer to give Modrici the best player .....OMG....Hazard it s better than Modrici and Salah....Messi he s the best ever that s for sure....! MOdrici are hust regular player!
Teo Burca Exactly.Modric is overrated
I am a die hard barca fan but modric is a legend on his Position.. Dont say that he is a regular player he is so good to be honest.. I wish he moved to barca in 2012
@@treshtalk88 Florentino Perez $$$
For me the best player I've ever seen was R9 at his peak (before his first bad injury) he was incredible, he was stronger and faster than CR but even at a powerfully built 6ft he carried the ball like Messi and could dribble past players as well as Messi and he could finish from anywhere with either foot. He was an absolute beast and was head and shoulders better than any other player on the pitch. But obviously Messi and CR have been incredible for such a longer period, but for that short time when his fire burnt the brightest R9 was unstoppable.
R9 cant control the game and give key passes like messi he dribble better than him and faster but vision amd overall messi better
How could anyone in their right senses even think that a player who waits on his teammates to pass the ball to them in the penalty area is better than a player who goes past several players and scores or pinpoint passes to his teammates to score is better. Messi is why football is called “The beautiful game .”
Messi is football and football is Messi. Final (No comments )
Just imagine if this was arsenal an they played the same way spurs played these guys would be roasting dem no one would be mentioning messi
38 YOUNGMONEY Nobody would mention Messi after a performance like that? Nonsense
Arsenal wouldn't have pulled back 2 goals. Arsenal wouldn't have shown a fighting mentality, they would have rolled over just like they did the last time that they played Barcelona. That is why Arsenal would have been roasted by these guys. Tottenham fought to the death, Arsenal can never play like that. That is why Arsenal get roasted, look no further than the loss Arsenal suffered to City for proof of that.
SJP Bondservant Arsenal against City proves that but then Arsenal did show a fighting mentality to pull 2 goals back against Chelsea
The last time Arsenal played Barca was in 2016 at Camp Nou, the final scoreline was 3-1. How's that not similar to 4-2 in terms of goal difference?
and 2-0 at the emirates.. both Messi
Since WC 2006 I have been a fan of both Messi and Tevez. Truly gifted both of them. What Messi can do with a ball, I think it will take a long time before we see a player at that level. Truly the best.
This debate has been long settled
Only Chelsea would score twice against barça, United Liverpool city all of them big English teams would loose fairly and squarely. Spurs played solo well.
3-1 city defeated Barcelona 2016 group stage
Steve Nicklin the Liverpool at the time wouldn’t
If you are comparing Messi and C. Ronaldo in the Ballon d'or, I prefer Messi winning it more than ten (10 ) because Messi always showing it to the world that him and C. Ronaldo not even equal on the pitch but UEFA president always in Favour of C. Ronaldo because UEFA president is a real Madrid fan and him has a share in real Madrid.
WTF? Idiot
Is that true?
this hasn't been a debate since 2015 before that the only guy that had a chance at a debate for the greatest of all time was pele but ever since 2015 even pele cant compare to what messi is messi is the definition of soccer if you love the sport you have to love messi from nothing to the greatest of all time and stays humble as if he still was that little kid from rosario with a growing disorder most inspiring athlete of our time and the greatest to ever play the beautiful game its undebateble
Can't actually believe this is still a debate!?
Is Messi the GOAT??? The truth is Ronaldo is a very complete player, he is strong, both feet are equally mastered, greatest shooter I have ever seen, lethal header with those mind blowing jump.
And then there is Messi who play only by his left foot, but he is a GENIUS, greatest PLAYMAKER, created most CHANCES every season, best DRIBBLER, gave most ASSIST every season, scored most GOALS in most the seasons, nobody can do these all together other than Messi, he is something else, he is from greater extra terrestrial.
Wtf? Messi‘s right foot is better then ronaldos
@@babajjdkf5290 Bro, give some respect man!! You don't have to hate Ronaldo just because you love Messi... Messi would always be the better player from the rest, don't worry my friend....
Khwairakpam Rohit You are delusional mate.Ronaldo isn’t and will never be even near the level of Messi.What youndescribed is why Ronaldo is a great goal scorer but that’s it.And if he’s *that* strong why does he fall to the ground every two seconds?
@@treshtalk88 Bro I didn't get it what you are writing. Seriously what delusional, plaese tell me.....
When did I say that Ronaldo is on Messi"s level??? And he is freaking strong, nowadays you can't even touch the footballer they are ready to fall down, just faking.... Bro they are world class footballer, they are strong.... But Messi never fake, even if he fall down he would continue to run again...
No! Ronaldo isnt a complete PLAYER he is a complete GOALSCORER. Messi is the complete PLAYER.
Unless you saw Pele Maradona Cruyff play in your life, how can u judge who is the greatest
there is no greatest , they all have their moments of glory
And even if you saw them all, it would be almost impossible to say one of them was the best of all because they're from different eras.
bgg Geometry fuck off
Purely in terms of technical quality there isn’t even an arguement
Ofcourse. He's a complete footballer with outstanding records. And he also a joy to watch. He make football like an art.
Thanks Craig bellami for say it, messi is the greatest player of all time
anyone who understands football ...knows Messi is the greatest player in his generation and probably ever. Cristiano is like a machine...does one thing effectively...which is score goals...Messi on the other hand is just beyond goal scoring....and I'm a United fan
You're damn right he is!!
Lionel Messi literally is a combination of Hazards dribbling, Xavi’s playmaking, and Beckham’s free kicks all into one player who additionally is the greatest goal
scorer of all time. There’s no comparisons save for Maradona and Pele