"Well setup" for oversteering on throttle is key here. My 2019 ZX6R understeered on stock settings as soon as I went on the throttle and/or left off the brakes. To fix this I had to raise the rear by 3mm with a shim (not by increasing preload) and accelerate the rebound setting on the fork. Now it keeps the radius inside the corner and I am able to tighten the line on-throttle.
Really cool video! Just gonna let you know that maintenance throttle is 100% a thing, even motoGP riders do it. You dont always have to be on the brakes or on the gas.
I learned the first tip playing IoM:Ride on the Edge 2. Its better to enter some corners braking early to get traction and exit faster than braking late and having a slower exit. Also, same happens on AWD vs RWD cars on Forza. For the superior acceleration of AWD, you need to enter with a lot of speed, have the traction and exit faster.
Hai Mr. Mike, big fans from Indonesia! Your videos have been a guide for me for a track day. You help me a lot to improve even little by little. Do you mind setting a topic in the future about tires pressure or even suspension setup for newbie to more serious riders on the track?? Supermoto, Racebike, or even for Sport Touring doesn't matter. I'm 101% everyone interest in that
I've been riding for two years now and I started by watching all these videos on youtube and practicing. The first bike I rode was a 150cc and didn't have good brakes but I wanted to go faster so I learned rev matching to use maximun engiene braking and be safe but aso have fun. Now I do it everyday, it's become a part of my riding. Also makes me feel cool haha.
it is 3 minutes long! 3 minutes! like in the good old times! These days I open something I am interested in and immediately jump to the half of the video
That green and red meter allows for better understanding on what exactly happens when inputted and how the results show on screen. That was brilliant work
0:59 I swear to god that this background music is getting into the right place in my cortex to stimulate 30% more generation of new brain cell connections. love it! Definitely good tip to just staying neutral on a supermoto and just flow with the track. If you (which I did before) try to hang off or push the bike under you there is a risk of you giving too much force upon the bike and the you get stiff making it more prone to loss of traction. :)
If you don't brake as late as possible you leave the door open for someone to throw it past you. Carrying a fast corner speed is fine as long as you have room to keep an uninterrupted rhythm....
This video is great. I am really struggling to feel comfortable in corners and I couldn't figure out why. Your vid helps a lot in helping me making sense of my techniques. Thanks!
Did you do an Alien 👽 podcast ? Love this podcast brilliant . Loads of knowledge concise narrative that's good education for peeps like me . Love from Scotland .
On my mountain bike, I let my body take the inside line and make my bike steer out to the outside/wider line. This is essentially a counter steer + deep lean, when i steer the bike back to catch my body. The idea carries if I'm going through S-bends... my body can sort of be going straight down the middle while the bike alone follows the S-bends. I'm not moving my body; i'm moving the bike and letting my body "fall" into that position.
I had my bike for about 2 ½ months now and just got my permit to ride. I've been only been able to practice once or twice week since having my bike. What I find difficult is trying to maneuver at slow speeds while cornering. Because I'm doing it with only clutch control before giving her throttle, I feel my bike wanting to give out half way into the turn and at times find myself having the strength to left it up from trying to fall, or just have a slowmo fall with it (since I put on the crash bars) and learn how to properly left up a fallen bike. It is true what my friend and family say "it's easier to go fast than it is to go slow"...
If we are talking really slow maneuvering try having your bike in first gear, don't touch the clutch, give it a little bit of throttle and break a little with your rear brake. Try it out in a parking lot or something, you can play with how much rear brake you give your bike. It will feel a lot more stable in slow speed. Personally I use a little of rear break in 2nd gear hairpin turns, gives me stability and confidence.
Great video and to the point! I have not thought about using the throttle to rotate. Mike your videos have encouraged me to take my 690 on track! A couple of my track day videos are posted if you ever do a “viewer feedback” video
Great video once again, very informative. I tried the two finger braking from the thumbnail but it required quite a bit of effort and I felt I had less accuracy on the amount of braking I wanted to do. Gave me a little scare. 90s sportsbike with original brakes. Is it suitable for all bikes?
Early 90's bikes (especially older tourers) do require a lot of brake pressure that can't be applied with 2 fingers, except ur Superman. Same with my 80's Goldwing, 2 fingers aren't gonna cut it for heavy breaking. You sacrifice some throttle and steering control, but that's the way it is.
I would call myself a 6 out of 10 rider and whenever i ride with a slower person,when we stop first thing they say is duuude you are not leaning (on the road). İ only lean with my upper body on road because vision problems on road. İf you hang inside the bike you just wont see a thing about the corner you are about to blindly enter
got a question: when you first brake at the back before corner then on front just before the corner then throttle up when you are in the corner and getting out is that not better for stability? i do'nt want to be the faster corner driver , i want the be the safest with the biggest stability?
Nice attempt to explain this. Honestly.... hours or time needs to explain this.... not just 3 minutes. Anymore anyone can accelerate in a staight line. Anyone (with tc) can accelerate out of a corner. BUT braking and trail braking has no aids. It must be learned with countless hours or training and crashing. Keep it up
waiting for how to apply brakes correctly. iam a beginner & i dont hv an abs, i slipped my rear tyre if i brake hard, but i dont know the real reason. maybe because the brand new rear tyre, my front shock leaked or i just lock my rear. but when i fix the front, the problem are solve too, but still i dont know why. maybe because the tyre just wear enough or i just try to pump the brake to avoid it locking. i lost my confidence.
Rear brakes will lock up faster than front brakes because while braking the weight is automatically transferred to the front = less grip with ur rear tire = locks up Thats also the reason why front brakes are always bigger than rear brakes because in the rear you don't need a lot of brake power
id add one more big even a huge thing. When your using both hands for steering whey actually compete with each other. And in corners its much better to use only the inside arm for steering. It can be inconvenient at the beginning and kind of tricky coz without that another hand trying to steer too, the impact will be bigger at first. So one should be careful learning it. But gush how much more control you have when only one hand a time turns that bar
Deceiving thumbnail tho, I was hoping for/expecting explanation on how to properly use the brake lever and other components in terms of how to hold/squeeze it, expecting to learn proper techniques for all that.
It’s too late to be downshifting on apex. It’s also unsettling the bike and your body position. Downshift while braking before you start to lean into the corner. Engine braking also helps to slow down the bike. Trail brake while leaning into the corner. Ease off the brake as you approach apex. Transition from braking to small amount of throttle shortly before apex. Roll off the throttle from apex towards exit.
So you're saying that when I add throttle when I'm in a corner then the bike will tighten the turn? I think you need to revisit this, bro. People gonna die trying it (they'll go wide adding throttle instead of breaking).
2.17 tightening your line up with the throttle? Wow now I’m confused. I have watched multiple videos saying that add lean and throttle at the same time is a very dangerous game and will likely lead to a crash….
You're not adding lean. You're tightening the line by inducing oversteer by adding throttle. Only works if your bike is setup correctly such that adding throttle actually induces slight oversteer.
And also these cornering tips are for controlled track use only, not for use on the street. On the track, playing dangerous games is how you get the fastest lap times, getting to the very edge of traction but not over.
for those whe have not abs especially, never ever put 4 fingers on the break lever. Never, eventually you'll block that front wheel. Only one index finger. That's it. It's more than enough. Well, if you are a girl with the fragile hand than you can put two fingers. But never more.
@@gokulkrishm51 your doing right things. I also don't ride with abs on, only on wet road. But still my bike has throttle control that i cant turn off. Are you trailing with two fingers too, coz you ll probably have better sensitivity with only one for trailing but its imo. I use all 4 for a clutch, yes. Sometimes i put my pinky under the clutch lever coz its my gap after which it begins to move slightly so i use it to quickly take off
@@bigbang259 Mmhmm. I have my Dad in the backseat always, coz I'm technically not yet aged to ride a motorcycle here 😅 But I tried using 1 finger, but Dad always tells me to put 2 fingers while trailing, he says it's safer and I find that better than one finger. And also to keep index finger on the brake while riding on city and narrow roads. We don't know what'll jump in front of us! I too use 4 fingers, it's a hard clutch on our motorcycle. No assist and slipper. I always try to ask more experienced riders about these stuff. That's why I asked. By the way, which motorcycle do you ride?
@@gokulkrishm51 FZ-10 . of course its better to keep the finger on the lever all the time. You not only win a second or a half coz you don't need to move it there, but you also dont open up throttle before breaking. If your finger are not there yet, to put it there your hand unconsciously opens the throttle. Again, one finger is much more sensitive but 2 is good as well. Depends on how you already have learned and how stiff your lever and how strong is you fingers. You can learn both ways and than choose.
Minute 5:04 of this video (th-cam.com/video/5s_JCuByuEI/w-d-xo.html): More brake presure = more force needed on handlebars Minute 3:39 of this video (th-cam.com/video/gkTcjGTo-BY/w-d-xo.html) When I use front brake the trail it reduce. If the trail it reduce, so the handlebars is more easier of driving. Why do it happen that contradiction? Thanks. I dont know english, excuse me by my traduction. Your chanel is excellent. The better of the best.
Corner faster in the streets, the road or the race track. ? Streets and roads are not for racing. There’s a big problem when teaching newbies to corner faster . Most likely they won’t become professional motorcycle racers and they will be attempting to use these techniques in the streets and roads increasing the index of fatalities
So you'd rather have them use shitty technique right of the bat and die instantly that's great. What a newbie might end up doing without these videos is trying to go faster on his own and not knowing how to. That's where the danger is, not a fucking instruction video.
the key on that is oversteer, check a video explaining oversteer vs understeer and you will understand the point, in short oversteer is forcing your rear wheel to slide a bit while in the turn, it changes the direction where the front of the bike is pointing and makes the radius smaller, kinda a high level technique and your bike as he said has to be properly setup...leave it for track days only don't go thinking on doing this stuff on the streets X)
I was wondering the same. Plus, other tip in this video is short shifting. How can you oversteer when you are so down on the Rev? Maybe because I ride a small bike. So maybe this tips are for those who are on litre class.
@@fuzzfizz mmm, well let me tell you most of this advises are advance tips to get better lap times on the track, i mean you could use this on the street but at your own risk of crashing cause of road conditions...at high speed when you add enough pressure to the front brake the weight goes forward as he mentions in the video, so your shifting will not dramatically change the fact that the whole bike and yourself are going forward compressing the front adding max grip to front tire and expanding the rear, this loose of weight on the rear means the wheel loses some grip, and so it can slide way easier, is a weight transfer affecting the suspension which affects the grip of the tires, that's my cheap explanation anyway X), check some videos on you tube about loading the front end by braking before cornering for better explanations ^^
The footage is so well edited on this channel, it looks like it’s a movie.
I think you're one of the most refined creators ever
"Well setup" for oversteering on throttle is key here. My 2019 ZX6R understeered on stock settings as soon as I went on the throttle and/or left off the brakes. To fix this I had to raise the rear by 3mm with a shim (not by increasing preload) and accelerate the rebound setting on the fork. Now it keeps the radius inside the corner and I am able to tighten the line on-throttle.
I reduced front preload in mine and some extra preload in rear even tho shim is the right way to go.
What do you mean by understeer? You sliding the front?
@@superbarnie I think that would be not able to steer at all, what usually happens with single disc brake bikes that don't have abs
Couldn't understand much but would come back to read after i get my superbike (someday)
Every time Mike shows Ducati Panigale, I want to cry.
Looking for science of cornering? You're on watching the right channel!
Really cool video!
Just gonna let you know that maintenance throttle is 100% a thing, even motoGP riders do it.
You dont always have to be on the brakes or on the gas.
I learned the first tip playing IoM:Ride on the Edge 2. Its better to enter some corners braking early to get traction and exit faster than braking late and having a slower exit. Also, same happens on AWD vs RWD cars on Forza. For the superior acceleration of AWD, you need to enter with a lot of speed, have the traction and exit faster.
Hai Mr. Mike, big fans from Indonesia! Your videos have been a guide for me for a track day. You help me a lot to improve even little by little. Do you mind setting a topic in the future about tires pressure or even suspension setup for newbie to more serious riders on the track?? Supermoto, Racebike, or even for Sport Touring doesn't matter. I'm 101% everyone interest in that
NEW TYPE I'M YOUR BIGGEST FAN! 😍🔥😍
I just started riding a month ago and I love your videos, thanks for your hard work Mike!👍🏼
I've been riding for two years now and I started by watching all these videos on youtube and practicing. The first bike I rode was a 150cc and didn't have good brakes but I wanted to go faster so I learned rev matching to use maximun engiene braking and be safe but aso have fun. Now I do it everyday, it's become a part of my riding. Also makes me feel cool haha.
Dude this video is gold! ❤️
it is 3 minutes long! 3 minutes! like in the good old times! These days I open something I am interested in and immediately jump to the half of the video
That green and red meter allows for better understanding on what exactly happens when inputted and how the results show on screen. That was brilliant work
0:59 I swear to god that this background music is getting into the right place
in my cortex to stimulate 30% more generation of new brain cell connections. love it!
Definitely good tip to just staying neutral on a supermoto and just flow with the track. If you (which I did before) try to hang off or push the bike under you there is a risk of you giving too much force upon the bike and the you get stiff making it more prone to loss of traction. :)
I noticed the music too bro! Epidemic Sound has some really good tunes, I think thats what our guy Mike uses if someone was wondering :)
you deserve more subscribers Mike on Bikes. the world is indeed a strange place.
If you don't brake as late as possible you leave the door open for someone to throw it past you. Carrying a fast corner speed is fine as long as you have room to keep an uninterrupted rhythm....
...Simply fantastic video like always bro!!!
I hope your tips will save someones life
Clear, precise and even some humour👍
Albert Naska has great videos on how to be fast on the track with a superbike.
Always nice to see TheDoctor! 🙋♂️🇭🇷
This video is great. I am really struggling to feel comfortable in corners and I couldn't figure out why. Your vid helps a lot in helping me making sense of my techniques. Thanks!
Did you do an Alien 👽 podcast ? Love this podcast brilliant . Loads of knowledge concise narrative that's good education for peeps like me . Love from Scotland .
Soo much to know that tried to be hidden.
Awesome video. really good tips
On my mountain bike, I let my body take the inside line and make my bike steer out to the outside/wider line. This is essentially a counter steer + deep lean, when i steer the bike back to catch my body. The idea carries if I'm going through S-bends... my body can sort of be going straight down the middle while the bike alone follows the S-bends. I'm not moving my body; i'm moving the bike and letting my body "fall" into that position.
I had my bike for about 2 ½ months now and just got my permit to ride. I've been only been able to practice once or twice week since having my bike. What I find difficult is trying to maneuver at slow speeds while cornering. Because I'm doing it with only clutch control before giving her throttle, I feel my bike wanting to give out half way into the turn and at times find myself having the strength to left it up from trying to fall, or just have a slowmo fall with it (since I put on the crash bars) and learn how to properly left up a fallen bike. It is true what my friend and family say "it's easier to go fast than it is to go slow"...
If we are talking really slow maneuvering try having your bike in first gear, don't touch the clutch, give it a little bit of throttle and break a little with your rear brake. Try it out in a parking lot or something, you can play with how much rear brake you give your bike. It will feel a lot more stable in slow speed. Personally I use a little of rear break in 2nd gear hairpin turns, gives me stability and confidence.
I'm entering 750km endurance in samar philippines, thanks for the functional tips.
Mike your videos are very useful 👍🏻👍🏻❤️❤️❤️
Proably the wisest guy in youtube alongside dave moss. Love your videos a lot thanks for the nice info.
Very interesting video
Great information
"Memento momentum". By the way, tip #4 seems to be what S1GP guys do, specially TC4.
Thanks.
Thanks my brother!
Great video and to the point! I have not thought about using the throttle to rotate. Mike your videos have encouraged me to take my 690 on track! A couple of my track day videos are posted if you ever do a “viewer feedback” video
Can you do a video on trail braking
AMAZING VID , so educational ! Love these vids ! WANT MORE !!!
Thanks
Great video
Short shifting is shifting earlier before reaching top engine torque I believe.
Your😊 video is very helpful...
I cover the brake lever with all 4 fingers, but use only 1 and a half fingers lol
Hi Mike, can you do a video about proper setup?
Finally was checking my yt every now and then, woohooo ✌️
0:49 this layout remind me to portimao. For me it pretty similar.
Great video once again, very informative. I tried the two finger braking from the thumbnail but it required quite a bit of effort and I felt I had less accuracy on the amount of braking I wanted to do. Gave me a little scare. 90s sportsbike with original brakes. Is it suitable for all bikes?
Early 90's bikes (especially older tourers) do require a lot of brake pressure that can't be applied with 2 fingers,
except ur Superman. Same with my 80's Goldwing, 2 fingers aren't gonna cut it for heavy breaking.
You sacrifice some throttle and steering control, but that's the way it is.
Omggg THE INTRO. To real
❤ these videos
The moment you realise MotoGP and other bike sports turn using Brake and Throttle is when you're on the pathway of becoming a Real Biker.....
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I would call myself a 6 out of 10 rider and whenever i ride with a slower person,when we stop first thing they say is duuude you are not leaning (on the road). İ only lean with my upper body on road because vision problems on road. İf you hang inside the bike you just wont see a thing about the corner you are about to blindly enter
Thanks! Always something to learn from you. (Usually a lot of things!🤣)
101 tips.
instructions if my handbrake is out and only the pedal works?
that I have been working on this right now
Look, its the same in cars, you brake to the apex, accelerate out of it. When you brake the nose tucks in, it tightens the corner.
got a question: when you first brake at the back before corner then on front just before the corner then throttle up when you are in the corner and getting out is that not better for stability? i do'nt want to be the faster corner driver , i want the be the safest with the biggest stability?
New vid, yes!
Nice attempt to explain this. Honestly.... hours or time needs to explain this.... not just 3 minutes. Anymore anyone can accelerate in a staight line. Anyone (with tc) can accelerate out of a corner. BUT braking and trail braking has no aids. It must be learned with countless hours or training and crashing. Keep it up
Can i do these on the street?
waiting for how to apply brakes correctly. iam a beginner & i dont hv an abs, i slipped my rear tyre if i brake hard, but i dont know the real reason. maybe because the brand new rear tyre, my front shock leaked or i just lock my rear. but when i fix the front, the problem are solve too, but still i dont know why. maybe because the tyre just wear enough or i just try to pump the brake to avoid it locking. i lost my confidence.
Rear brakes will lock up faster than front brakes because while braking the weight is automatically transferred to the front = less grip with ur rear tire = locks up
Thats also the reason why front brakes are always bigger than rear brakes because in the rear you don't need a lot of brake power
Fast in- Fast out
I ride 150cc moped.Even if I apply full throttle, the bike does not accelerate. I have no low end torque 😢
id add one more big even a huge thing. When your using both hands for steering whey actually compete with each other. And in corners its much better to use only the inside arm for steering.
It can be inconvenient at the beginning and kind of tricky coz without that another hand trying to steer too, the impact will be bigger at first. So one should be careful learning it. But gush how much more control you have when only one hand a time turns that bar
Deceiving thumbnail tho, I was hoping for/expecting explanation on how to properly use the brake lever and other components in terms of how to hold/squeeze it, expecting to learn proper techniques for all that.
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how to combine brake and downshifting on apex?
It’s too late to be downshifting on apex. It’s also unsettling the bike and your body position. Downshift while braking before you start to lean into the corner. Engine braking also helps to slow down the bike. Trail brake while leaning into the corner. Ease off the brake as you approach apex. Transition from braking to small amount of throttle shortly before apex. Roll off the throttle from apex towards exit.
@@miroslavmilan Thankyou Milan, Good explanation.
This stuff is interesting but I'm struggling to understand; guess I'll get a bike and find out through feel
Canadian lad? Its that you??
So you're saying that when I add throttle when I'm in a corner then the bike will tighten the turn?
I think you need to revisit this, bro.
People gonna die trying it (they'll go wide adding throttle instead of breaking).
i ilke it
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Are you swedish
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2.17 tightening your line up with the throttle? Wow now I’m confused. I have watched multiple videos saying that add lean and throttle at the same time is a very dangerous game and will likely lead to a crash….
You're not adding lean. You're tightening the line by inducing oversteer by adding throttle. Only works if your bike is setup correctly such that adding throttle actually induces slight oversteer.
And also these cornering tips are for controlled track use only, not for use on the street. On the track, playing dangerous games is how you get the fastest lap times, getting to the very edge of traction but not over.
Thanks for the explanation
Кто нибудь начал бы переводить этот канал.
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for those whe have not abs especially, never ever put 4 fingers on the break lever. Never, eventually you'll block that front wheel. Only one index finger. That's it. It's more than enough. Well, if you are a girl with the fragile hand than you can put two fingers. But never more.
My motorcycle doesn't have abs, but I use 2 fingers only.
Quick Q, do you use 4 fingers for clutch?
@@gokulkrishm51 your doing right things. I also don't ride with abs on, only on wet road. But still my bike has throttle control that i cant turn off.
Are you trailing with two fingers too, coz you ll probably have better sensitivity with only one for trailing but its imo.
I use all 4 for a clutch, yes. Sometimes i put my pinky under the clutch lever coz its my gap after which it begins to move slightly so i use it to quickly take off
@@bigbang259 Mmhmm. I have my Dad in the backseat always, coz I'm technically not yet aged to ride a motorcycle here 😅 But I tried using 1 finger, but Dad always tells me to put 2 fingers while trailing, he says it's safer and I find that better than one finger. And also to keep index finger on the brake while riding on city and narrow roads. We don't know what'll jump in front of us! I too use 4 fingers, it's a hard clutch on our motorcycle. No assist and slipper.
I always try to ask more experienced riders about these stuff. That's why I asked. By the way, which motorcycle do you ride?
@@gokulkrishm51 FZ-10 .
of course its better to keep the finger on the lever all the time. You not only win a second or a half coz you don't need to move it there, but you also dont open up throttle before breaking. If your finger are not there yet, to put it there your hand unconsciously opens the throttle.
Again, one finger is much more sensitive but 2 is good as well. Depends on how you already have learned and how stiff your lever and how strong is you fingers. You can learn both ways and than choose.
@@bigbang259 Ah! Nice bike!
Yes it's true! It depends. Anyway, thanks for replying. Have a good day. Ride safe ✌️
Minute 5:04 of this video (th-cam.com/video/5s_JCuByuEI/w-d-xo.html): More brake presure = more force needed on handlebars
Minute 3:39 of this video (th-cam.com/video/gkTcjGTo-BY/w-d-xo.html) When I use front brake the trail it reduce. If the trail it reduce, so the handlebars is more easier of driving. Why do it happen that contradiction? Thanks. I dont know english, excuse me by my traduction. Your chanel is excellent. The better of the best.
😀👋🏻🇸🇪
Yeah very good but next time in german please 🤣🤣
Early!
Corner faster in the streets, the road or the race track. ?
Streets and roads are not for racing.
There’s a big problem when teaching newbies to corner faster . Most likely they won’t become professional motorcycle racers and they will be attempting to use these techniques in the streets and roads increasing the index of fatalities
So you'd rather have them use shitty technique right of the bat and die instantly that's great.
What a newbie might end up doing without these videos is trying to go faster on his own and not knowing how to. That's where the danger is, not a fucking instruction video.
Thanks
I was taught the bike wants to stand up when you go on the throttle, not tighten the turn. Feels like I'm missing a key thing here.
the key on that is oversteer, check a video explaining oversteer vs understeer and you will understand the point, in short oversteer is forcing your rear wheel to slide a bit while in the turn, it changes the direction where the front of the bike is pointing and makes the radius smaller, kinda a high level technique and your bike as he said has to be properly setup...leave it for track days only don't go thinking on doing this stuff on the streets X)
@@brohofied2561 Thank you for the clarification.
@@HavasiP :)
I was wondering the same. Plus, other tip in this video is short shifting. How can you oversteer when you are so down on the Rev? Maybe because I ride a small bike. So maybe this tips are for those who are on litre class.
@@fuzzfizz mmm, well let me tell you most of this advises are advance tips to get better lap times on the track, i mean you could use this on the street but at your own risk of crashing cause of road conditions...at high speed when you add enough pressure to the front brake the weight goes forward as he mentions in the video, so your shifting will not dramatically change the fact that the whole bike and yourself are going forward compressing the front adding max grip to front tire and expanding the rear, this loose of weight on the rear means the wheel loses some grip, and so it can slide way easier, is a weight transfer affecting the suspension which affects the grip of the tires, that's my cheap explanation anyway X), check some videos on you tube about loading the front end by braking before cornering for better explanations ^^