If Lion was Justice then Konrad was (Batman) beyond justice. Literally a vigilante. Heck, Konrad tried to do his best to stop crimes before it even happened XD.
Konrad had Batman’s style and use of fear as a weapon, Judge Dredd’s sense that there is only pure innocent and the rest is guilty also that he is your judge jury and executioner, and the Punisher’s way of punishing criminals……x30,000
"Chemos is such a bad planet, they are killing the orphants, because they don't have enough food" Boy will have a heart attack, when we talk abaout Konrad Curz!
Ferus doesn't embody loyalty so much as he does honor and courage, Leman Russ primarch of the Space Wolves embodies quite literally unquestionable and undying loyalty
I think Lion might also take that spot for loyalty. Mr "Loyalty is it's own reward." Dude was ready to wage war mid heresy against Ultramar system when he thought Guilliman was trying to become an Emperor
"The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer." - Eighth Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions
The lion is loyalty yet blinds loyalty unable of self thinking and seing from right to wrong, whatever it was told it to be truth and right anything else otherwise is to be false and wrong. Dorn is the beauty ingeniutiy of human architect and duty of a human spirit yet at its oppisate spectrum the stubbornness that it comes with it, no creativtiy no humor laws by the letter, no wiggle room and so forth each prim-arch represent the 2 or more extremes of both the possitive and negetive spectrum of the emperor and hence forth that of human nature.
I would have to agree as an Iron Hands fan, and they are the first love of my two armies. That russ embodies loyalty much more than the rest. While my father, Ferrus Manus embodies courage and honor.
What nux missed is the fact that he was being lied to and whispered to the entire time. He was lied to about the intentions of Eldrad, he was lied to by Horus on what Fulgrim himself was fighting for, and he was lied to about his mental state by his sword. His pursuit of perfection at first was more like making his warriors stronger due to their smaller legion scale once he picked up the sword the fall began.
The book Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix really shows how before the fall, despite being a proud primadona, Fulgrim actually wanted to make things better despite his prideful perfectionism.
@@KitsyX Depends on how you see it. Wanting to make things better will reach a point were you should go "that will do". A perfectionist will never reach that point.
Amber king is the way to go. Or baldermort. It goes into more detail why stuff happens the way they do. Remembrencer is great for beginners but can be vague.
Fulgrim was too arrogant to believe he could be controlled so he thought the Daemon words were his subconscious speaking to him. A since he's perfect, his subconscious must be right 100%
I do think there is some lore around the fact that the emperor kept chaos, the chaos gods and their corruption hidden from humanity including the primarchs? I could be wrong. I think the emperor thought knowledge of chaos would make it easier to fall to their corruption
@@winstonstowers9121 _ That is what the Emp believe _ Personally I don't think that's the worst problem with revealing Chaos + The biggest danger in the Emp revealing Chaos(including all of the "upside" & downside) to humanity is that if every human(from the Age of Strive onward) know about Chaos, a huge part of the population would join Chaos as a desperate gamble to escape their darkest hour(things were already bad for most of the population, so Chaos wouldn't seem that bad at 1st glance, short term), not just the degenerates + If the Dark Age of Technology found out about Chas, most would declare Chaos as the true enemy & seek to destroy it. Because there are not a lot the Gods can offer humanity at its peak. Sure, the people knowing would still impower the Gods but with the might of humanity at its peak + the Emperor helping, Chaos power would shrink day by day(especially if they can get the Eldar to help). & With all the safeguard in place on a galactic scale, the Age of Strife itself would be less bad with the new psykers being more trained & disciplined. + Also the people from Dark Age of Tech were already atheist for the most part(since they didn't feel the need to pray for a higher power), while the time of the Great Crusade most planets became religious due to their hard life. The plan to make humanity atheist to stave the Gods was very hard in canon
@@winstonstowers9121 yes because even knowing about them at all would mean half of people would worship them. The SECOND you pray and get it immediately granted, you're hooked. So don't let people even KNOW they exist, no one will pray to them and get an answer.
@@acrab6527 oh not saying it was the wrong decision just saying it's hard to blame fulgrim for not believing there is a demon in his blade talking to him when he's been taught there is no such thing
I think a big part that wasn't mentioned is that he basically watched as everyone he knew and loved who were mortal grow old and die. He was married several times and eventually he grew to care less and less. This is partially why he was obsessed with perfection because he saw how imperfect reality was.
Resident warhammer lore guy here: The thing that most people forget entirely is, Fulgrim isn't taken over by ONE daemon. It's TWO. See, there was a daemon summoned via a painting to take over his body. Fulgrim starts getting trapped in the painting, while the painting daemon takes over Fulgrim's body. But. Fulgrim is a primarch, so it's not that easy. He gets the Laer blade, which also has a daemon in it. It wasn't until the fight against Ferrus Manus that the daemons win. Fulgrim couldn't kill his brother, the daemon in the sword did that. Fulgrim lost in that moment and was trapped in the painting, in the theater aboard his flagship. THEN LATER GW RETCONNED IT WITH A SINGLE LINE IN A SHORT STORY, BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. WE CAN'T JUST HAVE OUR PORTRAIT OF DORIAN GREY STORY. I GET IT. SPACE IS BIG. BUT LIKE GW IS GONNA REDEEM FULGRIM EVER. (source, Fulgrim, book 5 of the Horus heresy)
Uh... As I recall, the daemon in the painting and the daemon of the Laer Blade are one and the same. Like the painting was so horrific that the daemon in the Laer Blade thought it looked nice and homey, but the painting didn't originally have a daemon in it despite obviously being suffused with Slaaneshi Warp nonsense, and when it took over Fulgrim's body it shoved his soul into the painting out of some twisted sense of sadistic generosity. Then, when Fulgrim got out, he forced the daemon that was originally in the Laer Blade into the painting and left it there, although the jury is still out over whether all of Fulgrim's soul went back to his body, because everybody was convinced that the returned Fulgrim was still the daemon, meaning his personality was so radically different that he resembled a Fulgrim impersonator more than the genuine article, which implies that the worst parts of Fulgrim's soul might have been what reentered his body and the parts of him that would, say, feel shame and guilt split off from the trauma just like Magnus's soul.
If you want a funny story involving Fulgrim, look up _The Ancient Awaits._ It even has your favourite boys, the TSons, in it. Or maybe _Rylanor's Last Stand_ by Stringstorm, which is a rock opera adaption of the short story.
41:10 yes, by this point Lorgar was quite corrupted and full traitor. He attempted to exercise the deamon from Fulgrim more because he was pissed he was looking at a full on POSSESSION (Deamon stealing Fulgrim's body for itself) rather than something more symbiotic like what some members of his own Legion achieved. Also, regarding what the Emperor's Children during the siege of Terra, I've heard that some of what they did to the population included TURNING PEOPLE INTO... illicit substances and stimuli.
23:47 correction Fulgrim didn't know what chaos is... all the primarchs didn't know what chaos was during the great crusade until the horus heresy as some started to learn the dark truth, so he was easy to manipulate as he didn't know about the existence of demons so he accept it as his own thoughts
Nux. Lion El Johnson does not represent Justice. He is distrust, paranoia, and secrecy. There are, in fact, 2 primarchs who Id describe as representing 2 sides of justices. Konrad Kurze, Primach of the Nightlords, the Night Haunter. He is vengeful justice, zealous, the individuals justice. He is often referred to as "evil space batman". He often wore human skin robes, capes, and other such attire. On his home world of Nostramo he enacted a bloody murder spree of all the criminals, rapists, murderers, people committing suicide. No Im not kidding with that last one. Corvus Corax, primarch of the Ravenguard, The Raven King, my own genefather, a blatant E.A. Poe reference. He landed on the moon that would one day become known as Deliverance. He was found and raised by the enslaved miners and sheltered from the slaver overlords. He would lead a slave uprising and save his people at the cost of thousands and possibly millions as he had to make a vital decision. He represents blind justice, compassionate judgment, an avenger of the wronged, the peoples justice.
I'm trying to imagine that. Fulgrim landing on Chogoris and sticking out like a sore thumb among the tribals or crashing into the more 'civilized' parts of Chogoris and having to reconcile the excesses of the Palatine Empire with the barbarism of the nomadic steppe-folk of the Empty Quarter. Meanwhile, on Chemos, everybody is debating whether or not they should try to kill baby Jaghatai(who for comedy's sake I will assume was born with facial hair and a topknot), but he just keeps staring at them really hard, so they decide to adopt him because they're afraid of what might happen if they actually try to hurt the baby Jaghatai, who for his part starts speed-running civilization and makes Chemos not only incredibly productive, but also weirdly upbeat where the people still live relatively Spartan lifestyles, but find amusement in work and their ever-growing free time as Chemos slowly rediscovers and invents its own cultural artistry.
I was searching for this comment, it actually makes me think that maybe Cegorach actually has some impact on how and why jaghatai will escape the web way and this is why he would switch them. Would be even more interesting if it was to stop fulcrum the champion slaneesh
What’s worse is when Fulgrim has Ferrus on the ropes Fulgrim hesitates again not wanting to kill his best brother but the greater demon in the sword moves his hand and lops Ferrus’ head off.
And then after grifing fenruus dead that would be the last time he would grief for anything since sadness is not happy no hight not perfect. He could of stop and surrender but he relise that he gone to far and that there was no going back, no redeption the time had passed it was too late, so in anikin style he gose “what have i done” and then continue to commit his actions for it was to late and there was no going back.
Few facts missing in video you watched: 1) Fulgrim asked his apothecary Byle to make few clones of Ferrus Manus. And when he asked them to join him, they all refuse and got beheaded. 2) There cool story with chad Rylanor about greal L of Fulgrim
In the book Ferrus Manus: the Gorgon of Medusa, it was said, "The Primarch was wrath made manifest. An avatar of the Emperor's desire for conquest. Clad in sutured iron." I choose this as the real aspect of the Emperor that Ferrus Manus embodies. Considering his upbringing on his homeworld and his desire to conquer the things around him as a means of improving himself. In the same book, Ferrus Manus himself says under his breath, "I am imperfect." And Fulgrim says, " What is that, brother? It is unlike you to be mordlin." This took place before horus even became warmaster, long before he fell to chaos.
Nux, one thing that you need to know is WHY Horus and Fulgrim turned. Chaos showed them a future where the Emperor was worshiped as a God, and they decided that The Dream of the Imperium was the Perfection - not the Emperor himself This issue was the future they where shown is 40, after the heresy where the Emperor can't stop people worshipping his corpse
To truly be loyal to someone is standing beside them even while knowing their flaws and issues. So for Fulgrim once he finally saw the Emperor and Imperium as imperfect his loyalty faltered. Where Ferrus in the pursuit of improving (not perfecting) saw things that can be fixed and thus stayed loyal.
Just one more missing parts: Fulgrim's soul was separated from his chaotic body; and fabius bile cloned fulgrim, creating a perfect clone; and his sould returned to his body. And then, guess what, rumor has it that Trazyn the infinite took the loyalist primarch clone fulgrim to his collection. Demon-snake fulgrim never did anything again, ever; not a single appearance, he doesn't care about anything, his legion are fragmented warbands that sometimes help the black legion. Turns out depravity is the dead of a character. The perfect slacker.
A big thing they quickly glossed over was that when Fulgrim was given his legion there were only 300 marines compared to the 60,000-150,000 others had. His legion suffered from a severe disease which devastated it. He was eventually able to cure them of this disease but due to their low numbers they would be assigned to join Horus for a significant time while their numbers were replenished which is what made Fulgrim be so close to Horus. Ferrus Manus basically caused his own death. At the time of the Heresy he had one of the strongest legions out there, but upon hearing of Horus’s treachery he raced to Istvan V with the forces he had at hand and did not wait for the rest of his legion to arrive. He rushed in to duel Fulgrim thus splitting up his forces even more which made him extremely outnumbered. Ferrus also wasn’t a great leader per se. He had a “survival of the fittest” mentality and would greatly encourage his generals to have rivalries and fight amongst each other. The only thing that held the legion together was Ferrus himself. After his death the generals of his legion just couldn’t stand each other and refused to work together which made them not a real threat to Horus anymore.
fulgrim was never able to cure them his presence stabilized their genes slightly so they where able to recruit above replacement rate (barely) but the amount of failures where still straining their geneseed supplies its why fabius is still looking for a cure as his body constantly succumbs to the disease and must be replaced by another clone
@@John-kc4cgArch's mught be best if Nux wants a thorough rundown on the Lord of Iron. Don't know if he wants that for a video, though since that is pretty darn long
@@John-kc4cg Arch for Perturabo, but i'd say Baldermort for Rogal Dorn. Not gonna lie, i always considered Rogal Dorn the most overrated Primarch, after watching Baldermort's video on him, a whooping 3 part series, not did is Dorn my 2nd favorite (behind ironically enough, Perturabo), but that video made me appreciate Warhammer 40k's lore even more.
As the song says, there's a thin line between love and hate. That's why Smallville had Clark and Lex be friends from the beginning. To truly hate somebody, you have to live them first and feel betrayed.
In their first fight, Ferrrus kinda beat himself. When he destroyed Fireblade, it caused a big explosion that sent Ferrus reeling, then Fulgrim simply knocked him out with Forgebreaker. In their second fight, Ferrus actually had the upper hand, but the Laer Blade convinced Fulgrim to draw it before Ferrus could land a killing blow. Also Fulgrim did actually k*ll Guilleman, but his body was put into stasis for 10k years until he was brought back by the Eldar god of death.
Hey Nux, just a quick point on the Lion since you brought him up in the beginning of the vid. Lion El’Johnson wasn’t the most “just” primarch, and didn’t embody “justice”. That was more the point Dorn (he was very stubborn, very blunt, very letter of the law). The Lion more demonstrated the Emperor’s suspicion and, connected, self-sufficiency. You see this in how he refuses to hold council with his sons and accepts NO backtalk. This is a trait he had since he was a feral child in the woods all the way until he was struck down by his longest friend Luthor. His sons, the Dark Angels, carry these traits. They are the most secretive marines left in the Imperium, and will drop any mission, ignore any command, in order to hide the secret of their greatest humiliation: the Fallen (traitor Dark Angels under Luthor during heresy). As far as the Imperium is concerned, no Dark Angel ever turned traitor. And except for the Lion returning, they would have never learned.
before the horus heresy, fulgrim watch horus planning the coup from behind.he start to doubt himself and his decision and believe he can stop horus. but then one of his space marine come to him "my lord, dont forget your sword here" the moment he grab the sword, he completely change his mind
The Emperor’s Children were one of the most skilled and proficient legions. They were so skilled in their methods of war that among all 20 Legions they had the lowest amount of casualties per world conquered. Meaning while they weren’t the largest or the strongest, they made up for it by having every individual marine be as skilled in every battlefield role possible to ensure no matter what, someone could fill in and take command.
So a daemon prince is almost like the fusion of a mortal and the essence of their patron god equal to a greater demon. They are intertwined into basically becoming a pseudo slave to the god directly but it comes with nonsensical power. Basically, as long as they follow the path their lord commands, they can do what they want... and also, because they're now a daemon themselves, the daemon princes are immortal as they will be reformed by their god when they die. In case Nux is wondering though, yes, there is a way to permakill daemons but it is HARD to do
it would have helped Fulgrim realize that the sword was possessed and that the voices werent his subconcious if the emperor told his primarchs about demons that can possess people. but according to the emperor chaos was safer if no one knew of it.
THe problem is, Big E is kinda right. Just knowing that Chaos exists is enough to draw attention to yourself. More knowledge = more entities (and more powerful ones) being drawn to you until you're corrupted, dead or consumed.
Good overview but there is another of the emperors children that is incredibly interesting. Fabius Bile chief apothecary is an unbelievably based Chad. He basically is this doctor Frankenstein archetype that decided to go rogue during the siege of terra. He's such a staunch atheist that daemons actually suffer pain being near him yet Slaneesh itself has stared him in the eyes and he called it mindless warp nonsense. Its been said he is considered a minor warp god and that all the chaos gods look at him with caution and fear
41:10 Yes Lorgar was corrupted, but he still tried to free Fulgrim because the manner of his possession, in his own words "disgusted" him. The scene happens after the battle and all the traitor Primarchs from Isstvaan are having dinner and conversating, all except Lorgar who was sat up straight, hands folded and resting on his chin and absolutely GLARING at Fulgrim. While yes Lorgar was actually the first to have possessed Astartes he called the "Gal-Vorbak", they were a symbiotic bonding between transhuman physiology and a daemon. It was voluntary through and through. The way the daemon took Fulgrim's body though? That was a big no from him
"I remember the virtue we stood for, I remember the things that we have done!! I am one of the Emperor's Children!!! I am RYLANOR THE ANCIENT OF RITES!!!! So I will REJECT YOU NOW And for ALWAYS!!!! STRIKE YOU DOWN I HAVE WAITED FOR A MILLION NIGHTS!!!"" -RYLANOR the ANCIENT of RITES of the Emperor's Children
Another Andy video, nice. If u want a really deep dive go to Hal the Amber King. Andy's good for beginners and for obscure lore, while Hal likes his characters. So if u want a 3 hour video on 1 character then he's ur guy
There's a quote from Fulgrim himself,"Going from the pursuit of perfection in all things, to the pursuit of ultimate depravity isn't a journey anyone makes in a single step. It's a series of small steps, each one justifiable in its own hypocritical way. But after you have taken 100 of those small steps, you're a long way from the man you were at the start."
37:56 i will need to point this out, Fulgrim was dominating the fight and trying his best you force his brother to join him and horus as he couldn't bring himself to kill his bro, the blade didn't care and took control over his arm and decapitated his brother, then the rest of the event played out with the demon getting a new sexy body
46:50 Legions getting "distracted" as they fall to chaos will be a returning theme as chaos is not overly good a large scale organizing shit. Expection being Perturabo as he did not fall in the same way and maybe the nightlords, but Curze had other issues going on.
“Only fools strive for perfection because it is something that can never be obtained but what can be achieved is revenge which the Emperor’s faithful will deliver into Fulgrim for his betrayal.” - Narnok Davis, Iron Hands
29:00 Eldrad wasn't the leader of the Eldar in general, he was just arguably the most powerful single Eldar player alive and held a lot of sway within his Craftworld of Ulthwe (which overall is the most psychically powerful). The important thing is that he is the best at seeing into possible futures and the most active in the setting plot-wise. 41:09 Lorgar was thoroughly within the Chaos camp by this point, but he was enraged that a daemon was possessing Fulgrim because his vision of serving Chaos was meant to uplift and enlighten humanity into the dominant species in the galaxy by showing them the truth off the Universe and by working symbiotically with Chaos, not being slave to it. This was exemplified by the Gal Vorbak, elite Word Bearers who voluntarily allowed daemons into their body and merged with them to become more effective. 49:18 After the Heresy, the Emperor decreed that since the 3rd Legion had fallen to Chaos, the Space Marine legions who remained loyal would have the right to wear the Aquila, since they did what the Emperor's Children could not.
Nux you have to react to Hammer and Bolter (its the only animated series on warhammer 40k) with every episode being different scenarios imo It's extremly good with amazing voice acting and very interesting stories.
Pre-Heresy Fulgrim is such a great character. He believes he is superior to everyone else but instead of not caring about others because he is superior he considered it his duty as the superior to uplift others.
The fall of the third legion and the origin of the noise marines is INSANELY interesting and Nux needs to watch it. Wesshammer’s deep dive on noise marines is a good one for this.
I recommend amber king videos!! Rememerancer is awesome too, but amber king and warrior tier also now do a lot of voice work and pull from books for details 😊
Nux, the Primarchs and their Legions often acted as diplomats to the various factions around the galaxy during the Great Crusade, so they often were the de facto representatives of the Emperor and the Imperium as a whole. In fact, the Emperor's Children were considered consumate diplomats because there was only a few hundred of them left before Fulgrim's return, so rather than fighting and dying on the front lines the 3rd were often called in for less risky assignments that still required the involvement of Astartes forces, like sending a squad of Legionaires to attend peace talks, trade agreements, or negotiations. It should also be noted that the 3rd Legion was specifically drawn from Terran nobles who would offer up their children to the Emperor as a demonstration of loyalty and fealty, hence why he decided to call them 'The _Emperor's_ Children' and not 'Fulgrim's Children' or 'the Sons of Fulgrim'; the 3rd Legion were already the 'Emperor's Children' before Fulgrim arrived. It should also be noted that while the Terran-born members of the 3rd Legion were essentially cut off from their families and indoctrinated to be fanatically loyal to the Emperor and the Imperium, they were still aware of their origins as Terran nobility and endeavored to conduct themselves as such, and part of that was being well-spoken and politically savvy enough to have discussions with other nobles without offending them and, hopefully, getting them to lend the Imperium support without constant threat of violence. As an aside, the 3rd Legion actually received the honor of bearing the Imperial Aquila as part of their Legion's standard after foiling an assassination attempt made on the Emperor at the cost of their own lives, which is why the Emperor held them in such high regard. But it is important to note that this happened BEFORE Fulgrim was rediscovered on Chemos and brought back to Terra. It should also be noted that, in an early display of vanity and hubris, Fulgrim commissioned a painting of himself receiving the Aquila from the Emperor personally as if he had been there and received the honor directly from the Emperor himself. Granted, Fulgrim didn't technically lie about the events and probably considered the painting symbolic of how his sons had earned him the honor of bearing the Emperor's personal symbol as his own, but it's quite telling how, even at his most innocent, Fulgrim still considered his Legion's accomplishments as his own even when he wasn't around.
I hope that when Nux reaches Angron's lore, he is going to watch Warrior Tier's Angron video. There was so much voice acting and so much emotion in that video.
"Never! All we have left between us is that we will die together! I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children. Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host, and proud servant of the Emperor of Mankind, beloved by all. I reject you now and always!" - Ancient Rylanor, Emperor's Children last words to his Primach, Fulgrim - + Rylanor deserves better than you + + He deserves better than all of us + - Vistario, Thousand Sons Raptora's last words to Fulgrim in the same scene -
Oh it just occurred to me, when you were talking about loyalty/perfection, that the Lion video didn't include his "LOYALTY IS ITS OWN REWARD" moment. Now that's heresy.
For anyone who doesn't know about it, there's this incredible non-canon fan comic about Clonegrim escaping from Trazyn's vault and returning to the Imperium in the 41st Millenium called the Ember Phoenix. It's fucking incredible and Clonegrim is probably simultaneously one the nicest people in 40K and absolutely fucking terrifying if you piss him off. Also it's really interesting cause it ties into Caul making some of the Primaris marines with Fulgrim's geneseed and spreading them throughout the other legions, so after Clonegrim returns he does actually have uncorrupted sons he can lead... even if they and everyone else hate his guts at first. Okay imma stop venting now just please read it it's really fucking good.
While these lore deep dives are good, I belive the Ember kings videos are ones to consider checking out. The way they explain and narrate it keeps you engrossed in the story and there is plenty they give you to digest. Overall a channel worth checking out.
The Emperor didn't expect perfection from Fulgrim. That expectation and standard was self-imposed because Fulgrim had that I must be perfect to be worthy of being a primarch, father of the Emperors children legion, and the Phoenician. Basically, he wanted to prove himself despite already proving himself.
Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either: Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry) Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary) Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor) I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either: Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry) Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary) Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor) I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either: Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry) Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary) Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor) I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole
2:50 JOHNSON Is not about justic. The space king himself made clear that Curze is the one created around justice, he was jsut twisted. Johnson is more about loyalty
if we are talking about Fulgrim then: RYLANOR!!!! RYLANOR!!! RYLANOR!!!! RYLANOR!!!!! RYLANOR!!!! RYLANOR!!!! RYLANOR!!!! RYLANOR!!!!! RYLANOR!!!!!!!! RYLANOR!!!!!!!!!
Nux, I know that you’ve got Peter Turbo next but it might be interesting to check out a lion son of the forest video to understand 40k’s primarch situation
I'm hyped to see reaction for Peter Turbo since he should be up next. The angry petty autistic man child is by far my favorite primarch. AKA- The stubborn guy that gets stuff done
GW: Sure thing bud but we have to retcon the clone to be a female, black copy of fulgrim who also lesbian because we want equality and diversity and lastly, he is actually she from the start. fans: Fck you DEI but seriously, clonegrim has to comeback man so we can have fulgrim fight
@@fqck1999 I just hope accord to the sources, that Amazon was the one pushing woke shit to GW, their are some rumors that the Amazon live action might get cancelled but it maybe for the better. If only the 1st speculation was correct.... If not, then its all downhill from here.
They didn't include how he not only betrayed his dad and brothers, but also sons. He, Horus, Morty and Angy all sent their Marines with loyalist inclinations to the sham operation on Istvaan III and virus bombed them. RIP Saul Tarvitz. Hearing Best Bro's last stand will hit you like the death of Kamina.
Actually Tzeench wasn't the one that switched Fulgrim and The Kahn. The chaos gods took the primarcs. But the person who switched them was an old friend of Big E, Amar Astarte, she was a scientist who helped Big E make the Primarcs and the space marines, and she was so pivotal in their creation that Jimmy Space named them after her, The Legiones Astartes
You should react to the song 'Rylanor's last stand' by stringstorm, it's so hard to find people that appreciate that song since it's a very little listened to genre (rock opera) but now that you've covered Fulgrim you should be ready. Rylanor is the real reason Fulgrim has been absent from 30k-40k
I'd highly recommend Baldemorts video on Fulgrim if you’d like more Fulgrim. Also I'd recommend Baldermort and Amber King for lore videos of similar style.
The craziest funfact about fulgrim is that Trazyn the Infinite (a crazy? Necron Lord, who collects relics from the entire universe) owns a perfect clone of the uncorrupted Fullgrim (who is kept in a stasis). However, sadly we will probably never see something happening with that plot point. The author of the story confirmed, that the clone was just meant to be a bargaining chip for Fabius Bile to trade with Trazyn and there was no plan to ever continue that storyline.
the horus heresy books is about 65 books for just the main story plus the primarch books (and there not even all out yet) and dozens of short novels just to get through the main stroy took me almost 2 years
Really liking these :) Its kind of fun how much Nux gets correct, but also the things he gets wrong, or is misinformed by chat. But mostly it is the "he/she did what!?" moments :p Welcome to the fandom Nux, one of the few niche franchises still not completely corrupted/ruined by contemporary deranged ideology....so far....
The thing about Fulgrim is for a bit it seemed like they were writing him to have a potential redemption after his transformation but then suddenly changed direction
Nux, the Lion's trait wasn't justice it is loyalty. That's why the emperor never doubted the Lion when the heresy broke out and why he reacted so harshly when Luther almost betrayed him. Which if Luther never wavered when the nuke had been found ejecting it then and there, there would have not been any damage to the ship or casualties. The exile was a mercy to his "brother" considering the Lion has killed for much less. As Lion El Johnson once famously said "loyalty is it's own reward"
Warhammer lore is tragic af but also super inspiring to me. Because the fact humanity lives on the edge of destruction in a literal battle with gods who are seeking its destruction and hanging on. Not winning but not losing in this weird state of balance but what it has to do to both humanity and the universe to just achieve that is inspiring. Life at all cost humanity at all cost. But in it there is survival, life, love and death.
“The Lion is justice incarnate”…….Konrad Curze would like to know your location. Just kidding, he’s already behind you
If Lion was Justice then Konrad was (Batman) beyond justice. Literally a vigilante.
Heck, Konrad tried to do his best to stop crimes before it even happened XD.
Konrad had Batman’s style and use of fear as a weapon, Judge Dredd’s sense that there is only pure innocent and the rest is guilty also that he is your judge jury and executioner, and the Punisher’s way of punishing criminals……x30,000
@@crimsonknight7011 Well if you lived on "Russian Mafia: the planet" you'd think the same
I get the sneaking suspicion that he doesn't know what justice means.
"Chemos is such a bad planet, they are killing the orphants, because they don't have enough food"
Boy will have a heart attack, when we talk abaout Konrad Curz!
Curzes Story is so messed up, me and and a buddy once made a drinking game out of it.
lol i cant wait
I can't wait for deamonculaba react
Can't stand Konrad
Ferus doesn't embody loyalty so much as he does honor and courage, Leman Russ primarch of the Space Wolves embodies quite literally unquestionable and undying loyalty
I think Lion might also take that spot for loyalty. Mr "Loyalty is it's own reward." Dude was ready to wage war mid heresy against Ultramar system when he thought Guilliman was trying to become an Emperor
"The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions
The lion is loyalty yet blinds loyalty unable of self thinking and seing from right to wrong, whatever it was told it to be truth and right anything else otherwise is to be false and wrong. Dorn is the beauty ingeniutiy of human architect and duty of a human spirit yet at its oppisate spectrum the stubbornness that it comes with it, no creativtiy no humor laws by the letter, no wiggle room and so forth each prim-arch represent the 2 or more extremes of both the possitive and negetive spectrum of the emperor and hence forth that of human nature.
I would have to agree as an Iron Hands fan, and they are the first love of my two armies. That russ embodies loyalty much more than the rest. While my father, Ferrus Manus embodies courage and honor.
isn't duty dorn though@@sage-d4q
What nux missed is the fact that he was being lied to and whispered to the entire time. He was lied to about the intentions of Eldrad, he was lied to by Horus on what Fulgrim himself was fighting for, and he was lied to about his mental state by his sword. His pursuit of perfection at first was more like making his warriors stronger due to their smaller legion scale once he picked up the sword the fall began.
The book Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix really shows how before the fall, despite being a proud primadona, Fulgrim actually wanted to make things better despite his prideful perfectionism.
@@williansnobre seeking to make things better is the core of being a perfectionist lol.
@@KitsyX Depends on how you see it.
Wanting to make things better will reach a point were you should go "that will do".
A perfectionist will never reach that point.
These videos are incomplete at best
Nux 1000% needs to learn about clonegrim now. Like I really wanna see his reaction to that all situation.
And all the other weird stuff that Fabulous Bill gets up to
The Children were the best of the pre-heresy Space Marines.
Only from the highest of peaks can you have the greatest fall.
True. they had absolute gigachads like Rylanor and Saul Tarvitz
@@Quark214 Stringstorm's song/video _Rylanor's Last Stand_ totally kicks ass.
the best dont have superaids
@@ashardalondragnipurakeare you stupid he said pre heresy and he ain't wrong
Bro, Nux HAS to react to Rylanor's story. Dude is such a giga chad!
Seriously, Nux would love to know about the ancient of rites.
THE ANCIENT AWAITS
Perfection = obsession. And obsession is the realm of "She Who Thirsts"
Amber king is the way to go. Or baldermort. It goes into more detail why stuff happens the way they do. Remembrencer is great for beginners but can be vague.
A vox in the void just dropped an incredible world eaters narration.
@@SquashGuy02134 There was an Angron 2 hour narration also by warrior tier.
Baldermort needs to be narrating audiobooks or something.
@@Stop_Gooning for sure 👌🏻
@@Stop_Gooning isn't he working on an audio book right now? I thought he announced he was asked to voice one half a year ago
Fulgrim was too arrogant to believe he could be controlled so he thought the Daemon words were his subconscious speaking to him. A since he's perfect, his subconscious must be right 100%
His narcissism was so very close to being justified...
I do think there is some lore around the fact that the emperor kept chaos, the chaos gods and their corruption hidden from humanity including the primarchs? I could be wrong. I think the emperor thought knowledge of chaos would make it easier to fall to their corruption
@@winstonstowers9121
_ That is what the Emp believe
_ Personally I don't think that's the worst problem with revealing Chaos
+ The biggest danger in the Emp revealing Chaos(including all of the "upside" & downside) to humanity is that if every human(from the Age of Strive onward) know about Chaos, a huge part of the population would join Chaos as a desperate gamble to escape their darkest hour(things were already bad for most of the population, so Chaos wouldn't seem that bad at 1st glance, short term), not just the degenerates
+ If the Dark Age of Technology found out about Chas, most would declare Chaos as the true enemy & seek to destroy it. Because there are not a lot the Gods can offer humanity at its peak. Sure, the people knowing would still impower the Gods but with the might of humanity at its peak + the Emperor helping, Chaos power would shrink day by day(especially if they can get the Eldar to help). & With all the safeguard in place on a galactic scale, the Age of Strife itself would be less bad with the new psykers being more trained & disciplined.
+ Also the people from Dark Age of Tech were already atheist for the most part(since they didn't feel the need to pray for a higher power), while the time of the Great Crusade most planets became religious due to their hard life. The plan to make humanity atheist to stave the Gods was very hard in canon
@@winstonstowers9121 yes because even knowing about them at all would mean half of people would worship them. The SECOND you pray and get it immediately granted, you're hooked.
So don't let people even KNOW they exist, no one will pray to them and get an answer.
@@acrab6527 oh not saying it was the wrong decision just saying it's hard to blame fulgrim for not believing there is a demon in his blade talking to him when he's been taught there is no such thing
I think a big part that wasn't mentioned is that he basically watched as everyone he knew and loved who were mortal grow old and die. He was married several times and eventually he grew to care less and less. This is partially why he was obsessed with perfection because he saw how imperfect reality was.
Resident warhammer lore guy here:
The thing that most people forget entirely is, Fulgrim isn't taken over by ONE daemon. It's TWO. See, there was a daemon summoned via a painting to take over his body. Fulgrim starts getting trapped in the painting, while the painting daemon takes over Fulgrim's body. But. Fulgrim is a primarch, so it's not that easy. He gets the Laer blade, which also has a daemon in it. It wasn't until the fight against Ferrus Manus that the daemons win. Fulgrim couldn't kill his brother, the daemon in the sword did that. Fulgrim lost in that moment and was trapped in the painting, in the theater aboard his flagship.
THEN LATER GW RETCONNED IT WITH A SINGLE LINE IN A SHORT STORY, BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. WE CAN'T JUST HAVE OUR PORTRAIT OF DORIAN GREY STORY. I GET IT. SPACE IS BIG. BUT LIKE GW IS GONNA REDEEM FULGRIM EVER.
(source, Fulgrim, book 5 of the Horus heresy)
I find it's best to ignore new lore when it fucks with old lore that I like.
@@Stop_Gooning so all Necron are still without any charackter and bound by the will of the Ctan ?
@@Blutwind Trayzn just like me fr fr
Uh... As I recall, the daemon in the painting and the daemon of the Laer Blade are one and the same. Like the painting was so horrific that the daemon in the Laer Blade thought it looked nice and homey, but the painting didn't originally have a daemon in it despite obviously being suffused with Slaaneshi Warp nonsense, and when it took over Fulgrim's body it shoved his soul into the painting out of some twisted sense of sadistic generosity. Then, when Fulgrim got out, he forced the daemon that was originally in the Laer Blade into the painting and left it there, although the jury is still out over whether all of Fulgrim's soul went back to his body, because everybody was convinced that the returned Fulgrim was still the daemon, meaning his personality was so radically different that he resembled a Fulgrim impersonator more than the genuine article, which implies that the worst parts of Fulgrim's soul might have been what reentered his body and the parts of him that would, say, feel shame and guilt split off from the trauma just like Magnus's soul.
@@Blutwind Yes.
Please look at the story of Rylanor, the Ancient of Rites. It isn't too long but it is a really cool character and story
If you want a funny story involving Fulgrim, look up _The Ancient Awaits._ It even has your favourite boys, the TSons, in it. Or maybe _Rylanor's Last Stand_ by Stringstorm, which is a rock opera adaption of the short story.
Dude, I would LOVE it if he reacted to "Rylanor's Last Stand"
_"Amidst the desolate soil, we heard the repeating cries of a fragment of metal."_
@@Brutalyte616 _"So true to Magnus' orders, I take my company's reigns, onto the surface we settle."_
_Rylanor's Last Stand_ totally kicks ass!
_I need not glory nor for words to speak_
_When I have held_
*_A Virus Bomb!_*
41:10 yes, by this point Lorgar was quite corrupted and full traitor. He attempted to exercise the deamon from Fulgrim more because he was pissed he was looking at a full on POSSESSION (Deamon stealing Fulgrim's body for itself) rather than something more symbiotic like what some members of his own Legion achieved.
Also, regarding what the Emperor's Children during the siege of Terra, I've heard that some of what they did to the population included TURNING PEOPLE INTO... illicit substances and stimuli.
23:47 correction Fulgrim didn't know what chaos is... all the primarchs didn't know what chaos was during the great crusade until the horus heresy as some started to learn the dark truth, so he was easy to manipulate as he didn't know about the existence of demons so he accept it as his own thoughts
Nux.
Lion El Johnson does not represent Justice. He is distrust, paranoia, and secrecy. There are, in fact, 2 primarchs who Id describe as representing 2 sides of justices.
Konrad Kurze, Primach of the Nightlords, the Night Haunter. He is vengeful justice, zealous, the individuals justice. He is often referred to as "evil space batman". He often wore human skin robes, capes, and other such attire. On his home world of Nostramo he enacted a bloody murder spree of all the criminals, rapists, murderers, people committing suicide. No Im not kidding with that last one.
Corvus Corax, primarch of the Ravenguard, The Raven King, my own genefather, a blatant E.A. Poe reference. He landed on the moon that would one day become known as Deliverance. He was found and raised by the enslaved miners and sheltered from the slaver overlords. He would lead a slave uprising and save his people at the cost of thousands and possibly millions as he had to make a vital decision. He represents blind justice, compassionate judgment, an avenger of the wronged, the peoples justice.
IIRC cegorach, the Eldar laughing god is the one responsible for switching Fulgrim and Jaghatai's intended planet.
I'm trying to imagine that. Fulgrim landing on Chogoris and sticking out like a sore thumb among the tribals or crashing into the more 'civilized' parts of Chogoris and having to reconcile the excesses of the Palatine Empire with the barbarism of the nomadic steppe-folk of the Empty Quarter.
Meanwhile, on Chemos, everybody is debating whether or not they should try to kill baby Jaghatai(who for comedy's sake I will assume was born with facial hair and a topknot), but he just keeps staring at them really hard, so they decide to adopt him because they're afraid of what might happen if they actually try to hurt the baby Jaghatai, who for his part starts speed-running civilization and makes Chemos not only incredibly productive, but also weirdly upbeat where the people still live relatively Spartan lifestyles, but find amusement in work and their ever-growing free time as Chemos slowly rediscovers and invents its own cultural artistry.
@Brutalyte616 yea I believe it's said fulcrum would of landed and been raised by the palantine empire rather the steppes.
I was searching for this comment, it actually makes me think that maybe Cegorach actually has some impact on how and why jaghatai will escape the web way and this is why he would switch them. Would be even more interesting if it was to stop fulcrum the champion slaneesh
Epic troll
What’s worse is when Fulgrim has Ferrus on the ropes Fulgrim hesitates again not wanting to kill his best brother but the greater demon in the sword moves his hand and lops Ferrus’ head off.
And then after grifing fenruus dead that would be the last time he would grief for anything since sadness is not happy no hight not perfect. He could of stop and surrender but he relise that he gone to far and that there was no going back, no redeption the time had passed it was too late, so in anikin style he gose “what have i done” and then continue to commit his actions for it was to late and there was no going back.
@@gsst6389 “I killed him..” “Yeeesss..and all he ever did was honor you.”
what I love about your 40K reactions, is your not just reacting, you are absorbing and understanding the material. top notch.
Few facts missing in video you watched: 1) Fulgrim asked his apothecary Byle to make few clones of Ferrus Manus. And when he asked them to join him, they all refuse and got beheaded. 2) There cool story with chad Rylanor about greal L of Fulgrim
In the book Ferrus Manus: the Gorgon of Medusa, it was said, "The Primarch was wrath made manifest. An avatar of the Emperor's desire for conquest. Clad in sutured iron." I choose this as the real aspect of the Emperor that Ferrus Manus embodies. Considering his upbringing on his homeworld and his desire to conquer the things around him as a means of improving himself. In the same book, Ferrus Manus himself says under his breath, "I am imperfect." And Fulgrim says, " What is that, brother? It is unlike you to be mordlin." This took place before horus even became warmaster, long before he fell to chaos.
Nux, one thing that you need to know is WHY Horus and Fulgrim turned.
Chaos showed them a future where the Emperor was worshiped as a God, and they decided that The Dream of the Imperium was the Perfection - not the Emperor himself
This issue was the future they where shown is 40, after the heresy where the Emperor can't stop people worshipping his corpse
To truly be loyal to someone is standing beside them even while knowing their flaws and issues. So for Fulgrim once he finally saw the Emperor and Imperium as imperfect his loyalty faltered. Where Ferrus in the pursuit of improving (not perfecting) saw things that can be fixed and thus stayed loyal.
Just one more missing parts: Fulgrim's soul was separated from his chaotic body; and fabius bile cloned fulgrim, creating a perfect clone; and his sould returned to his body. And then, guess what, rumor has it that Trazyn the infinite took the loyalist primarch clone fulgrim to his collection. Demon-snake fulgrim never did anything again, ever; not a single appearance, he doesn't care about anything, his legion are fragmented warbands that sometimes help the black legion. Turns out depravity is the dead of a character. The perfect slacker.
Glad to see there are people who remember Gurren Lagan. Never thought I’d see the anime mentioned in a Warhammer 40K reaction
The Palatine Phoenix is an awesome book of Fulgrim pre-heresy that makes the fall sting that much more.
Nux has to see Fulgrims oldest dreadnaught. Rylanor the Unyielding, ancient of rights!
A big thing they quickly glossed over was that when Fulgrim was given his legion there were only 300 marines compared to the 60,000-150,000 others had. His legion suffered from a severe disease which devastated it. He was eventually able to cure them of this disease but due to their low numbers they would be assigned to join Horus for a significant time while their numbers were replenished which is what made Fulgrim be so close to Horus.
Ferrus Manus basically caused his own death. At the time of the Heresy he had one of the strongest legions out there, but upon hearing of Horus’s treachery he raced to Istvan V with the forces he had at hand and did not wait for the rest of his legion to arrive. He rushed in to duel Fulgrim thus splitting up his forces even more which made him extremely outnumbered.
Ferrus also wasn’t a great leader per se. He had a “survival of the fittest” mentality and would greatly encourage his generals to have rivalries and fight amongst each other. The only thing that held the legion together was Ferrus himself. After his death the generals of his legion just couldn’t stand each other and refused to work together which made them not a real threat to Horus anymore.
Doesn't help that its all Trazyn's fault, the Emperor's Children were struggling since he bagged all the geneseed for his own collection.
fulgrim was never able to cure them
his presence stabilized their genes slightly so they where able to recruit above replacement rate (barely) but the amount of failures where still straining their geneseed supplies
its why fabius is still looking for a cure as his body constantly succumbs to the disease and must be replaced by another clone
PERTY is next... OH BOY we're in for a journey.
Peter TURBO is next.
Though He doesn't really explain HOW perty was mistreated (Hurud , criminals ect)
Yeah, nor does he go too much into the details of Perturabo's powers.
Arch's video would be one of the best for explaining Perty, but the video is a monstrous 2 1/4 hours.
@@John-kc4cgArch's mught be best if Nux wants a thorough rundown on the Lord of Iron. Don't know if he wants that for a video, though since that is pretty darn long
@@John-kc4cg Arch for Perturabo, but i'd say Baldermort for Rogal Dorn. Not gonna lie, i always considered Rogal Dorn the most overrated Primarch, after watching Baldermort's video on him, a whooping 3 part series, not did is Dorn my 2nd favorite (behind ironically enough, Perturabo), but that video made me appreciate Warhammer 40k's lore even more.
@@Quark214 It's just a shame that Arch hasn't done more Primarch videos since his Curze video is great as well.
The Emperor’s children are getting a huge release soon and Fulgrim will almost certainly burst back into the scene in suitably fabulous fashion
As the song says, there's a thin line between love and hate. That's why Smallville had Clark and Lex be friends from the beginning. To truly hate somebody, you have to live them first and feel betrayed.
In their first fight, Ferrrus kinda beat himself. When he destroyed Fireblade, it caused a big explosion that sent Ferrus reeling, then Fulgrim simply knocked him out with Forgebreaker. In their second fight, Ferrus actually had the upper hand, but the Laer Blade convinced Fulgrim to draw it before Ferrus could land a killing blow.
Also Fulgrim did actually k*ll Guilleman, but his body was put into stasis for 10k years until he was brought back by the Eldar god of death.
The Ancient Awaits !!!!!
Hey Nux, just a quick point on the Lion since you brought him up in the beginning of the vid. Lion El’Johnson wasn’t the most “just” primarch, and didn’t embody “justice”. That was more the point Dorn (he was very stubborn, very blunt, very letter of the law).
The Lion more demonstrated the Emperor’s suspicion and, connected, self-sufficiency. You see this in how he refuses to hold council with his sons and accepts NO backtalk. This is a trait he had since he was a feral child in the woods all the way until he was struck down by his longest friend Luthor.
His sons, the Dark Angels, carry these traits. They are the most secretive marines left in the Imperium, and will drop any mission, ignore any command, in order to hide the secret of their greatest humiliation: the Fallen (traitor Dark Angels under Luthor during heresy).
As far as the Imperium is concerned, no Dark Angel ever turned traitor. And except for the Lion returning, they would have never learned.
before the horus heresy, fulgrim watch horus planning the coup from behind.he start to doubt himself and his decision and believe he can stop horus. but then one of his space marine come to him "my lord, dont forget your sword here" the moment he grab the sword, he completely change his mind
Jep Fulgrim at at least 2 points was about to wipe horus and prevent the HH from happening
Highly recommend checking out Rylanor's last stand for anyone interested in this.
The Emperor’s Children were one of the most skilled and proficient legions. They were so skilled in their methods of war that among all 20 Legions they had the lowest amount of casualties per world conquered. Meaning while they weren’t the largest or the strongest, they made up for it by having every individual marine be as skilled in every battlefield role possible to ensure no matter what, someone could fill in and take command.
32:47- I'd say the Vlka Fenrika and Leman Russ are the embodiments of loyalty.
So a daemon prince is almost like the fusion of a mortal and the essence of their patron god equal to a greater demon. They are intertwined into basically becoming a pseudo slave to the god directly but it comes with nonsensical power. Basically, as long as they follow the path their lord commands, they can do what they want... and also, because they're now a daemon themselves, the daemon princes are immortal as they will be reformed by their god when they die.
In case Nux is wondering though, yes, there is a way to permakill daemons but it is HARD to do
Wish there was some noise marine lore mixed in. Be cool to see nux react to the most metal concert of all time
it would have helped Fulgrim realize that the sword was possessed and that the voices werent his subconcious if the emperor told his primarchs about demons that can possess people. but according to the emperor chaos was safer if no one knew of it.
Right! the Primary us were never WARNED that this is how chaos, hoe daemons roll... One of the saddest root causes of the heresy
THe problem is, Big E is kinda right. Just knowing that Chaos exists is enough to draw attention to yourself. More knowledge = more entities (and more powerful ones) being drawn to you until you're corrupted, dead or consumed.
Good overview but there is another of the emperors children that is incredibly interesting. Fabius Bile chief apothecary is an unbelievably based Chad. He basically is this doctor Frankenstein archetype that decided to go rogue during the siege of terra. He's such a staunch atheist that daemons actually suffer pain being near him yet Slaneesh itself has stared him in the eyes and he called it mindless warp nonsense. Its been said he is considered a minor warp god and that all the chaos gods look at him with caution and fear
Thank goodness you have moved on to some very decent LoreTubers.
41:10 Yes Lorgar was corrupted, but he still tried to free Fulgrim because the manner of his possession, in his own words "disgusted" him. The scene happens after the battle and all the traitor Primarchs from Isstvaan are having dinner and conversating, all except Lorgar who was sat up straight, hands folded and resting on his chin and absolutely GLARING at Fulgrim. While yes Lorgar was actually the first to have possessed Astartes he called the "Gal-Vorbak", they were a symbiotic bonding between transhuman physiology and a daemon. It was voluntary through and through. The way the daemon took Fulgrim's body though? That was a big no from him
"I remember the virtue we stood for, I remember the things that we have done!! I am one of the Emperor's Children!!! I am RYLANOR THE ANCIENT OF RITES!!!! So I will REJECT YOU NOW And for ALWAYS!!!!
STRIKE YOU DOWN I HAVE WAITED FOR A MILLION NIGHTS!!!""
-RYLANOR the ANCIENT of RITES of the Emperor's Children
Another Andy video, nice. If u want a really deep dive go to Hal the Amber King. Andy's good for beginners and for obscure lore, while Hal likes his characters. So if u want a 3 hour video on 1 character then he's ur guy
There's a quote from Fulgrim himself,"Going from the pursuit of perfection in all things, to the pursuit of ultimate depravity isn't a journey anyone makes in a single step. It's a series of small steps, each one justifiable in its own hypocritical way. But after you have taken 100 of those small steps, you're a long way from the man you were at the start."
37:56 i will need to point this out, Fulgrim was dominating the fight and trying his best you force his brother to join him and horus as he couldn't bring himself to kill his bro, the blade didn't care and took control over his arm and decapitated his brother, then the rest of the event played out with the demon getting a new sexy body
its crazy how much louder Nux's videos are compared to everything else I watch on youtube.
Oh it’s me again!
46:50 Legions getting "distracted" as they fall to chaos will be a returning theme as chaos is not overly good a large scale organizing shit. Expection being Perturabo as he did not fall in the same way and maybe the nightlords, but Curze had other issues going on.
“Only fools strive for perfection because it is something that can never be obtained but what can be achieved is revenge which the Emperor’s faithful will deliver into Fulgrim for his betrayal.”
- Narnok Davis, Iron Hands
29:00 Eldrad wasn't the leader of the Eldar in general, he was just arguably the most powerful single Eldar player alive and held a lot of sway within his Craftworld of Ulthwe (which overall is the most psychically powerful). The important thing is that he is the best at seeing into possible futures and the most active in the setting plot-wise.
41:09 Lorgar was thoroughly within the Chaos camp by this point, but he was enraged that a daemon was possessing Fulgrim because his vision of serving Chaos was meant to uplift and enlighten humanity into the dominant species in the galaxy by showing them the truth off the Universe and by working symbiotically with Chaos, not being slave to it. This was exemplified by the Gal Vorbak, elite Word Bearers who voluntarily allowed daemons into their body and merged with them to become more effective.
49:18 After the Heresy, the Emperor decreed that since the 3rd Legion had fallen to Chaos, the Space Marine legions who remained loyal would have the right to wear the Aquila, since they did what the Emperor's Children could not.
Nux you have to react to Hammer and Bolter (its the only animated series on warhammer 40k) with every episode being different scenarios imo It's extremly good with amazing voice acting and very interesting stories.
Definitely listen to Baldermort's video on Fulgrim. He does such a good job showing how sad a painful Fulgrim's fall was.
So happy he’s doing 40k lore
Pre-Heresy Fulgrim is such a great character. He believes he is superior to everyone else but instead of not caring about others because he is superior he considered it his duty as the superior to uplift others.
The fall of the third legion and the origin of the noise marines is INSANELY interesting and Nux needs to watch it. Wesshammer’s deep dive on noise marines is a good one for this.
I recommend amber king videos!! Rememerancer is awesome too, but amber king and warrior tier also now do a lot of voice work and pull from books for details 😊
Nux, the Primarchs and their Legions often acted as diplomats to the various factions around the galaxy during the Great Crusade, so they often were the de facto representatives of the Emperor and the Imperium as a whole. In fact, the Emperor's Children were considered consumate diplomats because there was only a few hundred of them left before Fulgrim's return, so rather than fighting and dying on the front lines the 3rd were often called in for less risky assignments that still required the involvement of Astartes forces, like sending a squad of Legionaires to attend peace talks, trade agreements, or negotiations. It should also be noted that the 3rd Legion was specifically drawn from Terran nobles who would offer up their children to the Emperor as a demonstration of loyalty and fealty, hence why he decided to call them 'The _Emperor's_ Children' and not 'Fulgrim's Children' or 'the Sons of Fulgrim'; the 3rd Legion were already the 'Emperor's Children' before Fulgrim arrived.
It should also be noted that while the Terran-born members of the 3rd Legion were essentially cut off from their families and indoctrinated to be fanatically loyal to the Emperor and the Imperium, they were still aware of their origins as Terran nobility and endeavored to conduct themselves as such, and part of that was being well-spoken and politically savvy enough to have discussions with other nobles without offending them and, hopefully, getting them to lend the Imperium support without constant threat of violence.
As an aside, the 3rd Legion actually received the honor of bearing the Imperial Aquila as part of their Legion's standard after foiling an assassination attempt made on the Emperor at the cost of their own lives, which is why the Emperor held them in such high regard. But it is important to note that this happened BEFORE Fulgrim was rediscovered on Chemos and brought back to Terra. It should also be noted that, in an early display of vanity and hubris, Fulgrim commissioned a painting of himself receiving the Aquila from the Emperor personally as if he had been there and received the honor directly from the Emperor himself. Granted, Fulgrim didn't technically lie about the events and probably considered the painting symbolic of how his sons had earned him the honor of bearing the Emperor's personal symbol as his own, but it's quite telling how, even at his most innocent, Fulgrim still considered his Legion's accomplishments as his own even when he wasn't around.
It's funny hearing Chemos reffered to a "the least perfect world".
Can't wait to see how he responds to Nostramo or Barbarous. Lol
I hope that when Nux reaches Angron's lore, he is going to watch Warrior Tier's Angron video. There was so much voice acting and so much emotion in that video.
"Never! All we have left between us is that we will die together! I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children. Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host, and proud servant of the Emperor of Mankind, beloved by all. I reject you now and always!"
- Ancient Rylanor, Emperor's Children last words to his Primach, Fulgrim -
+ Rylanor deserves better than you +
+ He deserves better than all of us +
- Vistario, Thousand Sons Raptora's last words to Fulgrim in the same scene -
Oh it just occurred to me, when you were talking about loyalty/perfection, that the Lion video didn't include his "LOYALTY IS ITS OWN REWARD" moment. Now that's heresy.
For anyone who doesn't know about it, there's this incredible non-canon fan comic about Clonegrim escaping from Trazyn's vault and returning to the Imperium in the 41st Millenium called the Ember Phoenix. It's fucking incredible and Clonegrim is probably simultaneously one the nicest people in 40K and absolutely fucking terrifying if you piss him off. Also it's really interesting cause it ties into Caul making some of the Primaris marines with Fulgrim's geneseed and spreading them throughout the other legions, so after Clonegrim returns he does actually have uncorrupted sons he can lead... even if they and everyone else hate his guts at first. Okay imma stop venting now just please read it it's really fucking good.
where do i find this
While these lore deep dives are good, I belive the Ember kings videos are ones to consider checking out. The way they explain and narrate it keeps you engrossed in the story and there is plenty they give you to digest. Overall a channel worth checking out.
The Emperor didn't expect perfection from Fulgrim. That expectation and standard was self-imposed because Fulgrim had that I must be perfect to be worthy of being a primarch, father of the Emperors children legion, and the Phoenician. Basically, he wanted to prove himself despite already proving himself.
I just realized that I can’t wait for nux to react to the lore of the T‘au
Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either:
Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry)
Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary)
Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor)
I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either:
Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry)
Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary)
Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor)
I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole Nux I request you react to the Amber King and his Primarch series, he's the literal G.O.A.T of Primarch/Character specific lore. I recommend either:
Magnus the Red, Primarch of the 15th Legion, the Thousand Sons (Sad, you will cry)
Jaghtai Khan, Primarch of the 5th Legion, the White Scars (Super interesting, you'll love the the philosophical quandary)
Konrad Curze, Primarch of the 8th Legion, the Night Lords (Might give a different view on the Primarchs and Emperor)
I feel like the story arc, philosophical quandries on their mindsets and decesions and just the lore of these Primarchs you'll absolutely love. Enjoy, loving your fall down the rabbit hole
“What do you do all day?!?”
I watch videos all day on TH-cam, okay?!?!?
I LEARNED IT FROM YOU NUXADAD!!!
2:50 JOHNSON Is not about justic. The space king himself made clear that Curze is the one created around justice, he was jsut twisted. Johnson is more about loyalty
if we are talking about Fulgrim then:
RYLANOR!!!!
RYLANOR!!!
RYLANOR!!!!
RYLANOR!!!!!
RYLANOR!!!!
RYLANOR!!!!
RYLANOR!!!!
RYLANOR!!!!!
RYLANOR!!!!!!!!
RYLANOR!!!!!!!!!
RYLANOR!!!! THE ONE WHO DAMAGE FULGRIM'S EGO.
RYLANOR!!! THE TRUE EMPEROR'S CHILDREN SOLDIER!!!
So cool to see you react to The Rememberancer.
Perterabo is my favorite primarch. You're in for a treat
It would be really fun to see Nux react to the full Tolkien Legendarium timeline. I think he'd enjoy it. Especially Sauron and Morgoth
Perfection, never perfect, goal that changes, may chanse, never catch.
~Abathur the evolution master.
After hearing nux saying ferrus manus was the goat, I can forgive any lore miss steps. I agree, ferrus manus is the goat.
Nux, I know that you’ve got Peter Turbo next but it might be interesting to check out a lion son of the forest video to understand 40k’s primarch situation
he already did Lion El'Johnson
@@Vyperus69 he is refuring to current Lion lore that nux hasn't seen. More specifically everything since the lion returned to 40k
I'm hyped to see reaction for Peter Turbo since he should be up next. The angry petty autistic man child is by far my favorite primarch.
AKA- The stubborn guy that gets stuff done
Nux really needs to check out THE GHEISTOS CATACLYSM video by Scholars Lore.
One of the best narrations featuring Papa Nurgle's influence.
Rogal Dorne by Baldemort is a must for Rogal dornes story. The longest second
GW! GIVE US LOYALIST CLONEGRIM!!!
I hope Nox discovered Fulgrim's clone when we are at Trayzn's video.
GW: Sure thing bud but we have to retcon the clone to be a female, black copy of fulgrim who also lesbian because we want equality and diversity and lastly, he is actually she from the start.
fans: Fck you DEI
but seriously, clonegrim has to comeback man so we can have fulgrim fight
@@fqck1999 I just hope accord to the sources, that Amazon was the one pushing woke shit to GW, their are some rumors that the Amazon live action might get cancelled but it maybe for the better. If only the 1st speculation was correct.... If not, then its all downhill from here.
GW doesn't have Clonegrim.
That bastard Trazyn has him.
My favorite is still Conrad Kurze. Man was convinced free will doesn't exist, so betrayed the Emperor because he didn't think he had a choice.
They didn't include how he not only betrayed his dad and brothers, but also sons. He, Horus, Morty and Angy all sent their Marines with loyalist inclinations to the sham operation on Istvaan III and virus bombed them. RIP Saul Tarvitz. Hearing Best Bro's last stand will hit you like the death of Kamina.
Actually Tzeench wasn't the one that switched Fulgrim and The Kahn. The chaos gods took the primarcs. But the person who switched them was an old friend of Big E, Amar Astarte, she was a scientist who helped Big E make the Primarcs and the space marines, and she was so pivotal in their creation that Jimmy Space named them after her, The Legiones Astartes
You should react to the song 'Rylanor's last stand' by stringstorm, it's so hard to find people that appreciate that song since it's a very little listened to genre (rock opera) but now that you've covered Fulgrim you should be ready. Rylanor is the real reason Fulgrim has been absent from 30k-40k
I'd highly recommend Baldemorts video on Fulgrim if you’d like more Fulgrim.
Also I'd recommend Baldermort and Amber King for lore videos of similar style.
The craziest funfact about fulgrim is that Trazyn the Infinite (a crazy? Necron Lord, who collects relics from the entire universe) owns a perfect clone of the uncorrupted Fullgrim (who is kept in a stasis). However, sadly we will probably never see something happening with that plot point. The author of the story confirmed, that the clone was just meant to be a bargaining chip for Fabius Bile to trade with Trazyn and there was no plan to ever continue that storyline.
Haha, I just watched a Fulgrim video earlier today, also I wish we can get a Trayzn the Infinite reaction
Dude, you have to check Raylanor´s last stand, the song first and then the lore video, you will enjoy it more that way.
the horus heresy books is about 65 books for just the main story plus the primarch books (and there not even all out yet) and dozens of short novels just to get through the main stroy took me almost 2 years
This is dope bro more and more please
Really liking these :) Its kind of fun how much Nux gets correct, but also the things he gets wrong, or is misinformed by chat. But mostly it is the "he/she did what!?" moments :p Welcome to the fandom Nux, one of the few niche franchises still not completely corrupted/ruined by contemporary deranged ideology....so far....
The thing about Fulgrim is for a bit it seemed like they were writing him to have a potential redemption after his transformation but then suddenly changed direction
Nux, the Lion's trait wasn't justice it is loyalty. That's why the emperor never doubted the Lion when the heresy broke out and why he reacted so harshly when Luther almost betrayed him. Which if Luther never wavered when the nuke had been found ejecting it then and there, there would have not been any damage to the ship or casualties. The exile was a mercy to his "brother" considering the Lion has killed for much less. As Lion El Johnson once famously said "loyalty is it's own reward"
Warhammer lore is tragic af but also super inspiring to me. Because the fact humanity lives on the edge of destruction in a literal battle with gods who are seeking its destruction and hanging on. Not winning but not losing in this weird state of balance but what it has to do to both humanity and the universe to just achieve that is inspiring. Life at all cost humanity at all cost. But in it there is survival, life, love and death.
Lord Nuxanor, devourer of lore, Rylanor's last stand is calling you.