I incorrectly mention that modern system let druids use metal armor and weapons. I was informed that most system DO still implement this restriction! Thank you for pointing this out!
I know that 5e has it as a statement that Druids "won't" wear metal armor or shields, they will however use metal weapons Still one of my favorite things was when someone asked in a Sage Advice Compendium(Back when that was still a thing) what happens if a druid wears metal armor to which they jokingly responded "The druid explodes" Though at the end of the day it's a fantasy world where you could just have your Druid wear something made from Ironbark or whatever other fantasy wood that is as resilient as metal
In less than a month, the remaster will take away this restriction... LOL! I wish it wasn't going away because I like having that restriction there also but I guess people want their Druid to wear plate armor or something?
Well, I've heard of many stories (and watched the videos of such events), plus can say from experience with our cat, that animals often can tell if you are trying to help them, and not just being cruel. For example, our cat can be visibly unhappy and wanting to leave if we are searching him for mites and trying to pull them off. And if we do it for too long, he will start to try to get out. But at least initial few minutes, he takes it and waits until we finish treating him. The shepherd that we had, who unfortunately died from some disease, definitely waited and watched with these smart sad eyes while we drived her to the vet. Sadly they couldn't help her. But she was waiting to be helped and knew that we are trying to help her. I've seen a video of a big predator bird stuck in a fishing net that was patient, allowed it's wing to be touched, and did not try to attack or even get out while the person cut the net with something (can't remember if it was knife or scissors). Some trusting animals even come to people if they are wounded or otherwise need some help. Of course, there are also animals with bad attitudes, or just those that don't trust humans. And can be risky for any person to try to help wild animals. This can happen, and happens. But definitely not all the time.
So I played a druid once, his name was the lorax, he spoke for the trees, and he was a pyromaniac, his journey ended when he found the most beautiful tree in the world and he married it. The tree had a dryad spirit in it and she hates him but is not powerful enough to kill him. The tree is itself loves him back.
About Heal animal: i'd apply the "rule of traits". The character has the animal trait? Great it works. It doesn't? Nope that doesn't work. Don't sleep on traits, they are a great addition to this edition (it took me a while to get to this conclusion but now i'm conquered). About proficiencies (particularly weapons/armors): i believe Paizo took into account that any druid wanting to go fight directly and not with spells will shapechange, and that will grant huge stat boosts. Like at lvl 12 shifting to a dragon and... yep, your base attack becomes +22, you're more durable and such. At this lvl a fighter is at +23 base (+25 by lvl 13). A bit of a difference, but you already know the fighter is OP =P In all seriousness, being a full spellcaster makes up for that, druids may be better off than melee clerics.
As someone whose only real Tabletop RPG experience until now was DnD5e, I think druids are pretty damn cool here. Having Wildshape upgrade like this is genuinely interesting, and it feels a lot more like you're actually improving at polymorphing into different shapes. I also like the fact that you can transform into more than just animals.
One of the best classes in PF2 imho. Great focus spells, full access to spell list, Primal is arguably better than even arcane, better HP/Armor than other full casters, best animal companion class, and solid wild shape access for a few feats (really Order Explorer and Aerial form are all you need if you are Dex focused). This class is just really really solid.
Storm born Druid can cast Obscuring Mist (lvl 2) and be unaffected (can see through weather). Casting Faerie Fire afterwards means that the rest of your team can also avoid the concealed debuff.
I don't know why but that transition with Impaling Briars really got me. "Impaling Briars gives you that focus spell. Impaling Briars is Nuts!" LOL Great way to start a morning.
I honestly don't care a lot about Druid, but they do sound pretty interesting. Also, you can scream I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING with Storm Druid, and that's pretty neat.
I play a half-elven Storm Druid in Pathfinder society and he is a lot of fun to play. If using the dual class feature from Game Mastery Guide I almost always combine the druid with the ranger class for that perfect combo of a warrior priest of nature.
@@clanpsi Not RAW. The Beast trait says "A creature similar to an animal but with an Intelligence modifier of -3 or higher is usually a beast. Unlike an animal, a beast might be able to speak and reason." It doesn't say it _is_ an animal, it says it's _similar to_ one. If Beasts are automatically animals, then you can command a beast just like you would with handle animal, and you can't do that with an intelligent creature. I know there's a certain amount of "this feels like this should work," but they did separate beasts from animals for a reason, and did not make beasts a subset of animal.
@@gramfero No, but a regular "Heal" spell will work on a Beast. We don't have "Heal Abomination," "Heal Dragon," or "Heal Humanoid" either, but don't need them because "Heal" works on all of them. It's actually weird that we have "Heal Animal," but Druids are so animal-focused that it makes sense thematically.
Goodberry was errata'd quite a while ago. It no longer needs to be freshly picked (only "ripe" which means developed to the point of readiness for harvesting - so you can load up in town/forest and dry them out for adventuring), casting is now 2 actions instead of 1 hour, and it heals a little less (avg 7 now vs avg 9 before). It now strictly outclasses Lay on Hands in downtime healing potential. Also, it's a bit weird they went with the metal restriction but didn't apply it to weapons. Sort of misses the mark if the point is to go against the manufactured nature of metal...
The main reason they don't apply it to weapons is the VAST majority of weapons have metal on them, and it would really kill weapon choice down to staff and club. In 1e, this wasn't /as/ big an issue as there was Ironwood to get around it, but I have yet to see Ironwood in 2e, and it was almost prohibitive in cost anyway. I think this is over all a good change, but to each their own.
@@sirix500111 I don't particularly care, but this is a role playing game. You can't really say it's because they abhor manufacturered metal, to the point that if they carry a steel shield they lose nearly all their class features, when they can weaponize a spiked gauntlet no problem. It's silly.
@@LordCyler Part of the problem with outright banning metal weapons is that they'd lose access to cold iron and silver weapons, which depending on the situation can _suck_. I've personally run into that, and at the time chose that metal weapons would also be anathema to me. That vampire took really long to take down.
@@adisander Then give them a magical effect that mimics those weapons at the correct level. Otherwise don't make metal an anathema to them when in fact it really isn't. I find it utterly ridiculous that the source of Druidic power is all Druidic Power: "We abhor all sources of metal protection and will strip you of your powers should you disobey!" Druids: "But we can still kill things with metal right?" Druidic Power: "Oh yeah toats. It would be a little much if we went that far."
@@LordCyler Oh, yes, I agree, this was a personal choice as the player of the druid (as I agree that it's definitely more thematic to use non-metal weapons), and the GM hadn't thought to introduce anything of that sort. I can just see why Paizo took the easy way out of just allowing metal weapons instead of working in an alternate, balanced option.
I know others have mentioned it, but it might be worth adding a voiceover edit on Goodberry. It’s long been updated with errata and now works every 10 minutes. It’s a ripe berry instead of a freshly picked berry. It heals for 1d6+4. Given how important healing is in PF2e, and that these mechanics listed here are no longer accurate, I encourage the edit to offer the correct information. You might also consider a quick insert to specify the significance of the Leaf Order and Storm Order receiving an additional Focus Point. (In addition to the Focus Spell.) As the base class Druid also receives a Focus Point, the two aforementioned Druid Orders let their Druids start play at level 1 with two Focus Points instead of just one. To date, this is one of the most overlooked elements of the Druid class by most first time players, both in my campaigns and based on Paizo and Reddit forum interactions. Each class has a few more class feats sprinkled throughout that come from Adventure Paths. For example, all classes have at least one extra level 20 class feat. And the Druid actually has two level 20 class feats. They both kinda suck, but they’re there. Though introduced in Adventure Paths, these additional class feats are available to any player with a DM that grants permission. For any future videos when discussing class feats, I encourage a quick glance using the Archives of Nethys website. It tends to stay pretty well updated. It’s also updated with errata, so the spells & other game mechanics will be most up-to-date. Congrats on the 3rd Party license!
Look pal, you chose to come into this whole thing belligerent and have kept up that attitude throughout. Not for nothing, but you very quickly discarded your initial complaint of gatekeeping -- which, great for you, recognizing that it didn't hold water! -- but instead of dropping things decided ad hoc to adopt a couple of different gripes which incidentally happen to also be lacking in merit. It's my anniversary so I'm in a good mood and trying actively not to be a jerk here, but your whole schtick about not having the chops to discuss the matter is as empty and generic a critique as I've ever seen. It sounds like something a freshman writes in a comp 2 essay to cover for the fact they didn't actually do any research on the topic assigned. As it turns out, in this case, we do have a pretty good clue of the orthographic and phonetic evolution of the word rendered in English as "aegis." Both proposed origins for the ancient Greek (one referring to goats and another to violent motion) are consistent with the "EE-djiss" pronunciation, and stable orthography in the Koine Greek has it consistently rendered in a way that is also associated with that pronunciation. Now people are obviously free to pronounce it as they wish -- I've heard it as EIGH-djiss and even EGG-us and not blushed at it -- but it's fairer by far to say that the pronunciation referred to here is the "OG" one than it is to say that the concept of such a thing is bunkum altogether. Any pronunciation that makes it clear what's being communicated is functionally valid on equal terms with all other such pronunciations - including regional variants and cross-language variants. However, sufficient evidence does exist to make positive statements about patterns of pronunciation in the language and setting in which the word first arose. For all your talk of linguistic expertise, you seem to have forgotten the very elementary notion that observations can be made about both modern and historical usage. Peace and blessings to you.
I have only 1 complaint about the Druid. The wild Druid is my favorite of the subclasses. I have a level 7 for pfs, however, the wild order gets only a single focus point. As a house rule, I rule it so that the different wild shape feats increase the focus pool.
I've played D&D 3.5, Pathfinder 1e, D&D 5e, and in about a year we'll be playing P2e I suspect. I love me some druid and while I'm not nuts for the nerfing it still looks fun and highly customizable. Actually that's my "problem" I'm learning how all this works. I appreciate the video man.
My group is doing the free Archetype Feats alt rules. I had a kind of silly idea to make a Leaf/Wild Druid and take Beastmaster Dedication as well basically making myself 3 forms of druid at once.
I'm currently playing a storm order druid that has dipped its toes into the animal order. I just want to say I am mostly wisdom based but I have good strength and good constitution because our party needed both a healer and Frontliner (also I'm an orc for orc ferocity) and I'm telling you this is some of the most fun I've had. Whenever I need to get up in the front line I can use spells like shocking grasp and shillelagh for close range and then I can use my order spell for ranged damage. On top of that my bird companion really helps with damage output and gives my shillelagh persistent bleed damage. I effectively am a scout for the party that can really hold my own in melee combat and use the power of wind and lightning to really mess with the enemy and even then like I said before my bird companion helps out a ton. Coming from dnd 5e and seeing the difference between pf2e Druids and 5e Druids makes me love the class and I think it is probably my favorite out of all the classes simply because I feel more like a guardian of nature rather than just another casting class with a flavor twist.
Druid is fucking awesome. If I ever play in a campaign with the dual class optional rule, I'll try to convince my GM to let me pick druid two times since there are so many feats I want...
This has given me the idea to go all in on the plant stuff and make a Ghoran Leaf Druid who can turn into any plant, forever (and also a freaking Green Man because awesome is awesome). It's 1:57AM, and I'm gonna go build that right now! His name may or may not be Groot.
The "no metal" rule is interesting for druids.... but it's also weird because metal is as much part of nature as wood and stone. One may argue that metal is processed, but leather and hide are processed as well. One doesn't just skin an animal and put the bloody skin on themselves.
Some suggestions to fellow DMs: 1. RAW (and probably RAI), I don’t think you can heal the Beastkin as it’s missing the Animal Trait. As a DM I might allow it. 2. Consider removing the Woodland Stride class feat and rolling into the main Druid class at level 4. As is it can only be taken by a Leaf Order Druid. But I’ve yet to see any Druid take it over more useful feats. It’s really thematic and useful in most campaigns, but maybe not worth the feat expenditure.
No, i would not allow casting that on beastkin. However I would totally allow using it on polymorphed companions (insect form, dino form) as they would get [Animal] trait.
The Wildshape mechanics are a lot better as they don't need the players' access to the bestiary as it was in other systems, that reduces meta gaming and is just more accessible.
5e druids are proficient with metal medium armor, and there are no mechanical penalties for wearing it. So technically, 5e Druids _can_ wear metal armor, they just don't.
@@pizza725 I mean, it’s literally pointed out that they don’t wear it. Continuing to ignore that and equip it is fine, but it’s absolutely within a GMs right to address it as a rule.
@@xephyr3720 It's within a GMs right to address literally anything as a rule. That doesn't change that in 5e, it's a lore and roleplay tip, not anything backed by mechanics.
Nonat! Is there any possibility you'll add adventures/encounters to your homebrews? I really would like non-paizo adventures to run and would be a really good reason for me to pledge to your patreon. Love your videos, keep up the good work.
Thanks so much! It's definitely possible, but I'm not sure when exactly. My primary focus is on producing content here on the channel, and the patreon homebrew comes second to that. So I can't promise yes or no, but if it happens, I'll likely mention it in a video here on the channel when I do!
The German Goodberry "Heilsame Beere" heals for 1d6+4 The rest is identitcal except the additional info that a craeture can consume any number of berries with one action. "Ok, then you heal for 100d6+400 and explode"
I'd check again. The spell was entirely reworked in the first errata and it seems like you have some of the changes but not others? Does your version have a 1 hour cast time or 2 actions?
A question (also for chat). Orc shapeshifter druid, with quite high str and athletics.. going for wrestler. How those feats work when shapeshifted? Would this wrestler shapeshifter druid work? Like a bear that uses a lot of grabling?
Step 1: Play as a Leshy Leaf-Order Druid whose body is a berry bush, with a Leshy familiar that is a mini berry bush. Step 2: Endless supply of Goodberries. :)
Can you even imagine the terror with a Druid using Primal Summons Air to summon a Giant Snapping Turtle with a Fly Speed of 60 Feet... knocking over boats as they fly around, swallowing everybody that got knocked out of the boats... XD
with that Verdant weapon I have a feeling that it is meant to work in conjuncture with the race specfic martial weapon feat. allowing a non human to have a large array of simple and martial weapons and have them concealed. having a hidden two handed giant sword dealing 1d10 damage, and using it in a jail cell would make them very dangerous. Especaily if the weapon also took on the abilities of any magical plants
As well to mention, druids don't get metal shields. They are limited to only wood. As you pointed out earlier, but should be mentioned. Their effective blocking is less than real martial champion or fighters.
Are Animal druids intended to fight alongside their companions rather than focus more on casting? It seems the companion support benefits work when the Druid is attacking, aka not casting. I mean I get you can do whatever, but optimal is for Druid to attack with animal supporting?
You go from the Heal Animal Focus spell, and remind everyone that it can be used every 10 minutes. Then you Go to the very Next Focus Spell, and forget that it can be cast every 10 minutes, which, YES, you can feed your entire party 3 square meals a day. 10 minutes to feed each person. Edit: but then I missed that it is an unusual focus spell, that takes an hour to cast? You can still theoretically give a normal party of four over the course of 12 hours, 3 meals each a day... That is a lot of verbal and somatic casting though.
@@kaiper9982 They get the beast trait but not the animal trait so I don't think it would work, no matter how low their int is. (but that's an interesting opinion nontheless)
I don’t understand why the Invoke Disaster feat increases the focus pool by 1. Its prerequisite is wind caller, which gives +1, and wind callers prerequisite is being in the storm order which gives +1. So if you can take Invoke Disaster you will always be at the max 3 focus points... am I missing something?
Sadly, the problem with the Druid is that the cooler the effect the nastier the anathema. For example, Nonat pointed out at "some goblins polluting", but what about a freakin' BONFIRE? They cause a lot of smoke, y'know... Imagine the yule celebration of a small village being interrupted by a crazy eyed dude who proceeds to be a wet blanket - literally - by triggering a freakin' STORM. Oh, and forget about raising a family if you're a wild druid... "Mom, where's dad?" "He's out there in the forest being a phoenix." "Can't he read me a story tonight?" "Oh, honey, you know that he can't stick around - he has to stay in the friggin' forest gallivanting with the bunnies. (sigh) I should have married the monk, at least he was just ascetic."
The examples you gave were quite extreme, a good druid wouldn't make a scene because of a bonfire because they would know certain plants and forests NEED to be burned down periodically to have a healthy life cycle, they would wait and recommend certain plants who require this treatment to be used a fuel, and a good or at least decent wild shape druid wouldn't have children and leave, they would raise their family in the wild.
@@kamencraftbrasil4367 I would argue a fire is the least of a druids worries, unless its some kind of major assembly that is burnings coal and a ton of it at that. Fire burning most any kind of plant life is natural. Whole areas (looking at you California) burn YEARLY and is healthy for the environment. Now, I think most storm druids would take issue with Absolom and other larger cities and their heavy industrial focus, but they also can't do anything about it other then try to teach cleaner alternatives. On another point, I don't see why a wild druid couldn't have say...a cabin in the woods. They can't come to rely on processed goods, not a bit of comfort. As long as they are living off the land still, a cabin and a family should be 100% feasible.
question about wild form, what happens if you drop below 0 hit points while in wild form? do you "die" or return to your original "human" form, and if so, how many hit points do you have?
@@Nonat1s wow thank you for the fast reply. To your answer though, so if I take the form of a roach to sneak through the door, and someone accidentally (or by free will) step on me, I go unconscious (or even die), that's not a fair rule...
@@michaelioannou7568 Keep in mind, your hit points don't change when you use Wild Form! So you'll likely be a roach with 20+ hit points. Even if someone steps on you, you likely won't be killed! (Though that part is up to your GM!)
Me who's mostly played druid in dnd : "Maybe ill try another class getting into pathfinder 2e" finds this video "welp druid for 1st character to play it is then!"
I once created a desert ratfolk storm order druid As a lil challenge i made him have adhd The party will be hanging out in a tavern Then suddenly the lil prick will waste a spell slot to become a raccoon just for the vibes and also to see how hard the alcohol hits on a raccoon (it hits way too hard btw) He is basically a bard that prefers animals over music
@@Nonat1s so using a wooden shield isn't against the druidic code, just metal is? Wouldn't you have to harm a tree to get the wood to make the shield? Feels contradictory to me, guess my druid will just use a warrior as a "meat" shield? :)
Personaly, I think the restriction on metal armor is stupid. By the logic that processing ore into metal is an unnatural process cuz it doesn't occur in nature, the same should be applied to the process of turning hide into leather. Leather does not naturally occur, the materials must be processed and treated with outside materials. If someone (a game system included) is against druids wearing metal armor, they should also be against druids wearing leather armor.
The old school explanation for this in other systems has been that the worked metal creates a barrier or at the least interference in the link Druids have with nature. This disruption is disconcerting to the Druid. That's why they can still use metal weapons, because it is wielded and not something they are encasing themselves in. In terms of treated leather, it doesn't create the same barrier and is more conductive for this natural link. Kind of like a wifi signal. It goes through some material nicely, but put a think piece of various metals around and it has trouble.
I am no fan of druid for some reason playing as nature lover neutral is a bummer probably mostly because of alignment lock, almost the same as why I never touch monk or paladin.
I feel bad for the druid in my game, she's relegated to being just a healer and I can tell she gets frustrated by it. Especially since she's a Storm Order druid and can mess people up.
@Professor Thinker yeah but she doesn't really do that either. She was the main healer for almost half the game until someone finally brought in a cleric. So she just casts Guidance or Electric Arc now. That's it.
Bronat, it's not very druid like to shave. EDIT: If the Beastkin Party member was in hybrid form, I would say DC 10 flat check. Fail, half healing. Pass, full healing. Humanoid form no heal.
@O K Beast: A creature **similar** to an animal but with an Intelligence modifier of -3 or higher is usually a beast. **Unlike an animal**, a beast might be able to speak and reason.
@O K "Evasive" I literally replied with the trait's description. They're not animals with "special features". They're "similar" to animals. Have you ever heard of this thing called Google? It can be used to search for definitions of words. I'm done here. I have a session to prepare for.
I incorrectly mention that modern system let druids use metal armor and weapons. I was informed that most system DO still implement this restriction! Thank you for pointing this out!
instaBlaster...
I know that 5e has it as a statement that Druids "won't" wear metal armor or shields, they will however use metal weapons
Still one of my favorite things was when someone asked in a Sage Advice Compendium(Back when that was still a thing) what happens if a druid wears metal armor to which they jokingly responded "The druid explodes"
Though at the end of the day it's a fantasy world where you could just have your Druid wear something made from Ironbark or whatever other fantasy wood that is as resilient as metal
It's a fucking stupid rule, sincerely a celtic reconstrutionist
Soon correct
In less than a month, the remaster will take away this restriction... LOL! I wish it wasn't going away because I like having that restriction there also but I guess people want their Druid to wear plate armor or something?
"Heal only works on willing animals"
This rule must've been written by a person who never took their pet to a vet. They are NEVER willing xD
Well, I've heard of many stories (and watched the videos of such events), plus can say from experience with our cat, that animals often can tell if you are trying to help them, and not just being cruel.
For example, our cat can be visibly unhappy and wanting to leave if we are searching him for mites and trying to pull them off. And if we do it for too long, he will start to try to get out. But at least initial few minutes, he takes it and waits until we finish treating him.
The shepherd that we had, who unfortunately died from some disease, definitely waited and watched with these smart sad eyes while we drived her to the vet. Sadly they couldn't help her. But she was waiting to be helped and knew that we are trying to help her.
I've seen a video of a big predator bird stuck in a fishing net that was patient, allowed it's wing to be touched, and did not try to attack or even get out while the person cut the net with something (can't remember if it was knife or scissors).
Some trusting animals even come to people if they are wounded or otherwise need some help.
Of course, there are also animals with bad attitudes, or just those that don't trust humans. And can be risky for any person to try to help wild animals. This can happen, and happens.
But definitely not all the time.
So I played a druid once, his name was the lorax, he spoke for the trees, and he was a pyromaniac, his journey ended when he found the most beautiful tree in the world and he married it. The tree had a dryad spirit in it and she hates him but is not powerful enough to kill him. The tree is itself loves him back.
He created an order of cavaliers called the order of the spoken for forest.
Did the trees speak vietnamiese?
@@bijntjeveenstra2455 welcome to the forest, mother fuckers
About Heal animal: i'd apply the "rule of traits". The character has the animal trait? Great it works. It doesn't? Nope that doesn't work.
Don't sleep on traits, they are a great addition to this edition (it took me a while to get to this conclusion but now i'm conquered).
About proficiencies (particularly weapons/armors): i believe Paizo took into account that any druid wanting to go fight directly and not with spells will shapechange, and that will grant huge stat boosts. Like at lvl 12 shifting to a dragon and... yep, your base attack becomes +22, you're more durable and such. At this lvl a fighter is at +23 base (+25 by lvl 13). A bit of a difference, but you already know the fighter is OP =P In all seriousness, being a full spellcaster makes up for that, druids may be better off than melee clerics.
Lizardfolk ancestry
Beastkin heritage
Wild Order Druid class
*Slaps character sheet: "This baby can fit so many animals in it."
Ah yes, the lizard-men-lizardmen that turns into a lizard man.
300% dino
Oh, and don't forget to get affected by the bestial curse!
As someone whose only real Tabletop RPG experience until now was DnD5e, I think druids are pretty damn cool here. Having Wildshape upgrade like this is genuinely interesting, and it feels a lot more like you're actually improving at polymorphing into different shapes. I also like the fact that you can transform into more than just animals.
I'm so glad they simplified wild shape. Keeping track of your yoyoing AC and to hit in 1e for different shapes was a nightmare
0:00 Intro
2:25 Proficiencies
3:43 Spellcasting and spell preparing
5:21 Druidic order
11:46 Features
14:33 Feats
thank you
@@Rastejador You're welcome.
Year later, huge help.
One of the best classes in PF2 imho. Great focus spells, full access to spell list, Primal is arguably better than even arcane, better HP/Armor than other full casters, best animal companion class, and solid wild shape access for a few feats (really Order Explorer and Aerial form are all you need if you are Dex focused). This class is just really really solid.
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Storm born Druid can cast Obscuring Mist (lvl 2) and be unaffected (can see through weather). Casting Faerie Fire afterwards means that the rest of your team can also avoid the concealed debuff.
A Guide to Animal Companions video would be cool.
I don't know why but that transition with Impaling Briars really got me. "Impaling Briars gives you that focus spell. Impaling Briars is Nuts!" LOL Great way to start a morning.
Love the video Druid is easily my favorite class. The versatility alone is just so much fun.
I honestly don't care a lot about Druid, but they do sound pretty interesting.
Also, you can scream I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING with Storm Druid, and that's pretty neat.
Bonus points for being a sylph.
I play a half-elven Storm Druid in Pathfinder society and he is a lot of fun to play. If using the dual class feature from Game Mastery Guide I almost always combine the druid with the ranger class for that perfect combo of a warrior priest of nature.
Beastkins gain the "Beast" and "Beastkin" traits, but not the "Animal" trait, so I'd say Heal Animal does not work on them.
But the Beast trait says it's simply Animal with a higher intelligence. Surely you can cast Heal Animal on a Pegasus.
@@clanpsi Not RAW. The Beast trait says "A creature similar to an animal but with an Intelligence modifier of -3 or higher is usually a beast. Unlike an animal, a beast might be able to speak and reason."
It doesn't say it _is_ an animal, it says it's _similar to_ one. If Beasts are automatically animals, then you can command a beast just like you would with handle animal, and you can't do that with an intelligent creature. I know there's a certain amount of "this feels like this should work," but they did separate beasts from animals for a reason, and did not make beasts a subset of animal.
@@welcometogeektown is there a heal beast feature/spell?
@@gramfero No, but a regular "Heal" spell will work on a Beast. We don't have "Heal Abomination," "Heal Dragon," or "Heal Humanoid" either, but don't need them because "Heal" works on all of them. It's actually weird that we have "Heal Animal," but Druids are so animal-focused that it makes sense thematically.
Perfect Form Control + True Shapeshifter = best shifting ever.
I was part of that sliver who's favorite class was druid, let's go!
*Lonely cry*
Goodberry was errata'd quite a while ago. It no longer needs to be freshly picked (only "ripe" which means developed to the point of readiness for harvesting - so you can load up in town/forest and dry them out for adventuring), casting is now 2 actions instead of 1 hour, and it heals a little less (avg 7 now vs avg 9 before). It now strictly outclasses Lay on Hands in downtime healing potential.
Also, it's a bit weird they went with the metal restriction but didn't apply it to weapons. Sort of misses the mark if the point is to go against the manufactured nature of metal...
The main reason they don't apply it to weapons is the VAST majority of weapons have metal on them, and it would really kill weapon choice down to staff and club. In 1e, this wasn't /as/ big an issue as there was Ironwood to get around it, but I have yet to see Ironwood in 2e, and it was almost prohibitive in cost anyway. I think this is over all a good change, but to each their own.
@@sirix500111 I don't particularly care, but this is a role playing game. You can't really say it's because they abhor manufacturered metal, to the point that if they carry a steel shield they lose nearly all their class features, when they can weaponize a spiked gauntlet no problem. It's silly.
@@LordCyler Part of the problem with outright banning metal weapons is that they'd lose access to cold iron and silver weapons, which depending on the situation can _suck_. I've personally run into that, and at the time chose that metal weapons would also be anathema to me. That vampire took really long to take down.
@@adisander Then give them a magical effect that mimics those weapons at the correct level. Otherwise don't make metal an anathema to them when in fact it really isn't.
I find it utterly ridiculous that the source of Druidic power is all
Druidic Power: "We abhor all sources of metal protection and will strip you of your powers should you disobey!"
Druids: "But we can still kill things with metal right?"
Druidic Power: "Oh yeah toats. It would be a little much if we went that far."
@@LordCyler Oh, yes, I agree, this was a personal choice as the player of the druid (as I agree that it's definitely more thematic to use non-metal weapons), and the GM hadn't thought to introduce anything of that sort. I can just see why Paizo took the easy way out of just allowing metal weapons instead of working in an alternate, balanced option.
I know others have mentioned it, but it might be worth adding a voiceover edit on Goodberry. It’s long been updated with errata and now works every 10 minutes. It’s a ripe berry instead of a freshly picked berry. It heals for 1d6+4. Given how important healing is in PF2e, and that these mechanics listed here are no longer accurate, I encourage the edit to offer the correct information.
You might also consider a quick insert to specify the significance of the Leaf Order and Storm Order receiving an additional Focus Point. (In addition to the Focus Spell.) As the base class Druid also receives a Focus Point, the two aforementioned Druid Orders let their Druids start play at level 1 with two Focus Points instead of just one. To date, this is one of the most overlooked elements of the Druid class by most first time players, both in my campaigns and based on Paizo and Reddit forum interactions.
Each class has a few more class feats sprinkled throughout that come from Adventure Paths. For example, all classes have at least one extra level 20 class feat. And the Druid actually has two level 20 class feats. They both kinda suck, but they’re there. Though introduced in Adventure Paths, these additional class feats are available to any player with a DM that grants permission. For any future videos when discussing class feats, I encourage a quick glance using the Archives of Nethys website. It tends to stay pretty well updated. It’s also updated with errata, so the spells & other game mechanics will be most up-to-date.
Congrats on the 3rd Party license!
Congrats on the license!
Also, 4e did have the metal restriction for druids.
upping the production value with those intro scenes. good work
props for being one of like 5 people in the English-speaking world who pronounce "aegis" the OG way
I still prefer the sound of "Ay-jess" but I have learned that "ee-jess" is correct thanks to Xenoblade Chronicles 2 lol.
I see you are a man of culture as well.
(I actually learned it through an argument some Dota 2 streamers had long long ago but still)
Relax, bud. I said the OG way, not the "correct" way. I didn't say anyone was wrong, or gatekeep anything.
You seem very upset about something you've made up. Have a nice day ✌️
Look pal, you chose to come into this whole thing belligerent and have kept up that attitude throughout. Not for nothing, but you very quickly discarded your initial complaint of gatekeeping -- which, great for you, recognizing that it didn't hold water! -- but instead of dropping things decided ad hoc to adopt a couple of different gripes which incidentally happen to also be lacking in merit.
It's my anniversary so I'm in a good mood and trying actively not to be a jerk here, but your whole schtick about not having the chops to discuss the matter is as empty and generic a critique as I've ever seen. It sounds like something a freshman writes in a comp 2 essay to cover for the fact they didn't actually do any research on the topic assigned. As it turns out, in this case, we do have a pretty good clue of the orthographic and phonetic evolution of the word rendered in English as "aegis." Both proposed origins for the ancient Greek (one referring to goats and another to violent motion) are consistent with the "EE-djiss" pronunciation, and stable orthography in the Koine Greek has it consistently rendered in a way that is also associated with that pronunciation. Now people are obviously free to pronounce it as they wish -- I've heard it as EIGH-djiss and even EGG-us and not blushed at it -- but it's fairer by far to say that the pronunciation referred to here is the "OG" one than it is to say that the concept of such a thing is bunkum altogether.
Any pronunciation that makes it clear what's being communicated is functionally valid on equal terms with all other such pronunciations - including regional variants and cross-language variants. However, sufficient evidence does exist to make positive statements about patterns of pronunciation in the language and setting in which the word first arose. For all your talk of linguistic expertise, you seem to have forgotten the very elementary notion that observations can be made about both modern and historical usage.
Peace and blessings to you.
I have only 1 complaint about the Druid. The wild Druid is my favorite of the subclasses. I have a level 7 for pfs, however, the wild order gets only a single focus point. As a house rule, I rule it so that the different wild shape feats increase the focus pool.
I've played D&D 3.5, Pathfinder 1e, D&D 5e, and in about a year we'll be playing P2e I suspect.
I love me some druid and while I'm not nuts for the nerfing it still looks fun and highly customizable. Actually that's my "problem" I'm learning how all this works. I appreciate the video man.
My group is doing the free Archetype Feats alt rules. I had a kind of silly idea to make a Leaf/Wild Druid and take Beastmaster Dedication as well basically making myself 3 forms of druid at once.
Holy wow Pathfinder has certified HOMEBREW LICENSES? That's amazing! I bet it makes it super easy to find adventures that are balanced and such
I'm currently playing a storm order druid that has dipped its toes into the animal order. I just want to say I am mostly wisdom based but I have good strength and good constitution because our party needed both a healer and Frontliner (also I'm an orc for orc ferocity) and I'm telling you this is some of the most fun I've had. Whenever I need to get up in the front line I can use spells like shocking grasp and shillelagh for close range and then I can use my order spell for ranged damage. On top of that my bird companion really helps with damage output and gives my shillelagh persistent bleed damage. I effectively am a scout for the party that can really hold my own in melee combat and use the power of wind and lightning to really mess with the enemy and even then like I said before my bird companion helps out a ton. Coming from dnd 5e and seeing the difference between pf2e Druids and 5e Druids makes me love the class and I think it is probably my favorite out of all the classes simply because I feel more like a guardian of nature rather than just another casting class with a flavor twist.
I want to see that full pie graph of people's favorite 2e classes!
Druid is fucking awesome. If I ever play in a campaign with the dual class optional rule, I'll try to convince my GM to let me pick druid two times since there are so many feats I want...
This has given me the idea to go all in on the plant stuff and make a Ghoran Leaf Druid who can turn into any plant, forever (and also a freaking Green Man because awesome is awesome). It's 1:57AM, and I'm gonna go build that right now! His name may or may not be Groot.
The "no metal" rule is interesting for druids.... but it's also weird because metal is as much part of nature as wood and stone.
One may argue that metal is processed, but leather and hide are processed as well. One doesn't just skin an animal and put the bloody skin on themselves.
Some suggestions to fellow DMs:
1. RAW (and probably RAI), I don’t think you can heal the Beastkin as it’s missing the Animal Trait. As a DM I might allow it.
2. Consider removing the Woodland Stride class feat and rolling into the main Druid class at level 4. As is it can only be taken by a Leaf Order Druid. But I’ve yet to see any Druid take it over more useful feats. It’s really thematic and useful in most campaigns, but maybe not worth the feat expenditure.
What a natural intro that totally isn't forced lol /s
No, i would not allow casting that on beastkin. However I would totally allow using it on polymorphed companions (insect form, dino form) as they would get [Animal] trait.
So if the Beastkin or Kitsune can cast Pest Form at will, then you can heal them while they're within their form?
Goodberry was changed in an errata
The Wildshape mechanics are a lot better as they don't need the players' access to the bestiary as it was in other systems, that reduces meta gaming and is just more accessible.
I'd say beastkin can't be healed with heal animal because Animal and Beast are two different tags, and beastkin gain Beast, not Animal.
Sadly I don't think they could heal a Beastkin. Spell specifies one animal, and Animal and Beast are different creature types in 2e.
Don't think I'm the first but 5E does have the Anti Metal on Druids, that's why they get "Heat Metal" spell ^^
5e druids are proficient with metal medium armor, and there are no mechanical penalties for wearing it. So technically, 5e Druids _can_ wear metal armor, they just don't.
@@kyzer42 " (druids will not wear armor or use shields made of metal)"
@@The_Happywolf Yeah, but it's just flavor. Mechanically, Druids in 5e suffer nothing from wearing metal.
@@pizza725 I mean, it’s literally pointed out that they don’t wear it. Continuing to ignore that and equip it is fine, but it’s absolutely within a GMs right to address it as a rule.
@@xephyr3720 It's within a GMs right to address literally anything as a rule. That doesn't change that in 5e, it's a lore and roleplay tip, not anything backed by mechanics.
Nonat! Is there any possibility you'll add adventures/encounters to your homebrews? I really would like non-paizo adventures to run and would be a really good reason for me to pledge to your patreon.
Love your videos, keep up the good work.
Thanks so much! It's definitely possible, but I'm not sure when exactly. My primary focus is on producing content here on the channel, and the patreon homebrew comes second to that. So I can't promise yes or no, but if it happens, I'll likely mention it in a video here on the channel when I do!
I’m playing a 16INT leshy Druid in my PF group’s “intro to 2E” mini-campaign. He’s probably the smartest leshy there was.
I love druids. Haven't played one in PF2e yet. However, I want that phoenix form RIGHT NOW o.o
The German Goodberry "Heilsame Beere" heals for 1d6+4
The rest is identitcal except the additional info that a craeture can consume any number of berries with one action.
"Ok, then you heal for 100d6+400 and explode"
I'd check again. The spell was entirely reworked in the first errata and it seems like you have some of the changes but not others? Does your version have a 1 hour cast time or 2 actions?
A question (also for chat). Orc shapeshifter druid, with quite high str and athletics.. going for wrestler. How those feats work when shapeshifted? Would this wrestler shapeshifter druid work? Like a bear that uses a lot of grabling?
Step 1: Play as a Leshy Leaf-Order Druid whose body is a berry bush, with a Leshy familiar that is a mini berry bush.
Step 2: Endless supply of Goodberries.
:)
Or you could be a leshy cannabis plant and have an infinite supply of good times
@@thaerosulderian3244 I'm currently making a Druid based on Silent Bob, and I'm seriously considering doing this.
So playing as Swamp Thing is possible in PF2. Nice!
Playing a druid in Pathfinder 1E right now here's my class guide for playing druid in Pathfinder 1E step 1 Pick a different class step two profit
At 30:15 it sounds like you suggest that you can use the feat to transform back into your normal self, when that is very much so not the case.
Can you even imagine the terror with a Druid using Primal Summons Air to summon a Giant Snapping Turtle with a Fly Speed of 60 Feet... knocking over boats as they fly around, swallowing everybody that got knocked out of the boats... XD
Did... did you just make a Druid summon Gamera?
with that Verdant weapon I have a feeling that it is meant to work in conjuncture with the race specfic martial weapon feat. allowing a non human to have a large array of simple and martial weapons and have them concealed. having a hidden two handed giant sword dealing 1d10 damage, and using it in a jail cell would make them very dangerous. Especaily if the weapon also took on the abilities of any magical plants
35:41 Or a Dragon
Small caveat clerics of the cloister (one of two cleric types) do not gain shield block. However, battle priests do. Battle Priests gain it at lv1.
As well to mention, druids don't get metal shields. They are limited to only wood. As you pointed out earlier, but should be mentioned. Their effective blocking is less than real martial champion or fighters.
Are Animal druids intended to fight alongside their companions rather than focus more on casting? It seems the companion support benefits work when the Druid is attacking, aka not casting. I mean I get you can do whatever, but optimal is for Druid to attack with animal supporting?
11:53 what about Cleric - Warpriest? they get that shieldblock feat too
You go from the Heal Animal Focus spell, and remind everyone that it can be used every 10 minutes. Then you Go to the very Next Focus Spell, and forget that it can be cast every 10 minutes, which, YES, you can feed your entire party 3 square meals a day. 10 minutes to feed each person.
Edit: but then I missed that it is an unusual focus spell, that takes an hour to cast? You can still theoretically give a normal party of four over the course of 12 hours, 3 meals each a day... That is a lot of verbal and somatic casting though.
not first. also, this is the most unnatural intro ever!
I wouldn’t allow to use heal animals on beastkins because they still have the humanoid trait.
They also have beast trait. Animals have less int. Maybe a beastkin with -4 int (that would be an animal)
@@kaiper9982 They get the beast trait but not the animal trait so I don't think it would work, no matter how low their int is. (but that's an interesting opinion nontheless)
What other classes are left for you to go over?
Wizard, Rogue, Monk.
I'm going in alphabetical order, so everything from Fighter-Wizard!
@@Nonat1s But you made a witch video which starts with W.
@@milanmarkovic2721 I covered the APG classes out of order since people wanted them desperately, haha!
@@Nonat1s Ok.
Skills: 2 + Int
* Sad Leshy noises *
Anyone have any tips on a Druid who wants orders in the wave and storm and medic archetype? Like which class feats to get and such
5e does also have the “no metal” bit, I do believe.
Except that Druids are proficient with Scimitars. Because it's the closest thing Wizards could think of to a machete, I assume.
17:42 well the seed only works for weapons you are trained, so as long as you aren't trained in martial weapons, you can't grow them too
I don’t understand why the Invoke Disaster feat increases the focus pool by 1. Its prerequisite is wind caller, which gives +1, and wind callers prerequisite is being in the storm order which gives +1. So if you can take Invoke Disaster you will always be at the max 3 focus points... am I missing something?
order explorer. If you weren't originally storm order you didn't get the initial extra.
The beastkin doesnt have the animal trait so if we go by rules no, but I would allow it. Sounds cool af
A little confused, the druid anathema said druids don't use shields, but they have a shield block class feature? How does that work
Metal shields. Wooden shields are fine.
wait perminate would work on kaiju to wouldn't it?
could you use heal animal on an Anadi?
Take a shot every time he says Nature
DONT YOULL DIE!
Great club druid let's go
i used to play a druid barbarian in the previous edition it was a combat monster i hate that i cant do that anymore
Sadly, the problem with the Druid is that the cooler the effect the nastier the anathema. For example, Nonat pointed out at "some goblins polluting", but what about a freakin' BONFIRE? They cause a lot of smoke, y'know... Imagine the yule celebration of a small village being interrupted by a crazy eyed dude who proceeds to be a wet blanket - literally - by triggering a freakin' STORM.
Oh, and forget about raising a family if you're a wild druid... "Mom, where's dad?" "He's out there in the forest being a phoenix." "Can't he read me a story tonight?" "Oh, honey, you know that he can't stick around - he has to stay in the friggin' forest gallivanting with the bunnies. (sigh) I should have married the monk, at least he was just ascetic."
The examples you gave were quite extreme, a good druid wouldn't make a scene because of a bonfire because they would know certain plants and forests NEED to be burned down periodically to have a healthy life cycle, they would wait and recommend certain plants who require this treatment to be used a fuel, and a good or at least decent wild shape druid wouldn't have children and leave, they would raise their family in the wild.
@@kamencraftbrasil4367 I would argue a fire is the least of a druids worries, unless its some kind of major assembly that is burnings coal and a ton of it at that. Fire burning most any kind of plant life is natural. Whole areas (looking at you California) burn YEARLY and is healthy for the environment. Now, I think most storm druids would take issue with Absolom and other larger cities and their heavy industrial focus, but they also can't do anything about it other then try to teach cleaner alternatives.
On another point, I don't see why a wild druid couldn't have say...a cabin in the woods. They can't come to rely on processed goods, not a bit of comfort. As long as they are living off the land still, a cabin and a family should be 100% feasible.
Damn, I wanna make a wild shape Druid now
Wouldn’t the Leshys pure oxygen make you more vulnerable to fire?
Where can we see the result of that survey for preferred class? (I assume that's what you showed there)
I'll release it in the future! I have plans to use it for a future video! Probably next week!
Verdant Weapon doesn't give you quickdraw. You have to be *holding* it to grow it.
question about wild form, what happens if you drop below 0 hit points while in wild form? do you "die" or return to your original "human" form, and if so, how many hit points do you have?
You fall unconscious and revert back to your normal form.
@@Nonat1s wow thank you for the fast reply. To your answer though, so if I take the form of a roach to sneak through the door, and someone accidentally (or by free will) step on me, I go unconscious (or even die), that's not a fair rule...
@@michaelioannou7568 Keep in mind, your hit points don't change when you use Wild Form! So you'll likely be a roach with 20+ hit points. Even if someone steps on you, you likely won't be killed! (Though that part is up to your GM!)
@@Nonat1s "Those are some bad roaches." 🤣
Me who's mostly played druid in dnd : "Maybe ill try another class getting into pathfinder 2e" finds this video "welp druid for 1st character to play it is then!"
Wait what druid subclass? 👀
30:10 Reject Mortality, Become Plant
I want to make a Dwarvan/Oread Druid and craft a Earth Druid focused on earth elemental powers
there are lots of choices if you wanna try different orders, but if you just wanna be a storm druid, you really don't have that many feat options.
I once created a desert ratfolk storm order druid
As a lil challenge i made him have adhd
The party will be hanging out in a tavern
Then suddenly the lil prick will waste a spell slot to become a raccoon just for the vibes and also to see how hard the alcohol hits on a raccoon (it hits way too hard btw)
He is basically a bard that prefers animals over music
I would either give a DC 5 flat check for Heal Animal to fail on a beastkin or make it only heal half the total rolled. 🤷♂️
But if they're inPpest Form or any other fully transformed form thet have access to, it should work as normal.
Beastkin have the beast trait not the animal trait
@@qwertyasdf9290 Good point.
I would not allow heal animal on beastkin.
Why give shield block when they're not supposed to use shields?
They can use wooden shields, but I agree thats a little odd.
@@Nonat1s so using a wooden shield isn't against the druidic code, just metal is? Wouldn't you have to harm a tree to get the wood to make the shield? Feels contradictory to me, guess my druid will just use a warrior as a "meat" shield? :)
@O K thanks for being such a welcoming voice to a new person in the community asking legit questions about the game mechanics.
I am planning to play a Leasshy druid with a Leashy familiar, then going to order explorer to th3ee animal to get a companion
On the Pathfinder Kingmaker CRPG, you cannot wear Metallic Armor as a Druid.
It would be a pain in the ass if you accidentally equipped a metallic armor and have to travel back to your capital to buy a scroll of atonement.
Personaly, I think the restriction on metal armor is stupid.
By the logic that processing ore into metal is an unnatural process cuz it doesn't occur in nature, the same should be applied to the process of turning hide into leather. Leather does not naturally occur, the materials must be processed and treated with outside materials.
If someone (a game system included) is against druids wearing metal armor, they should also be against druids wearing leather armor.
The old school explanation for this in other systems has been that the worked metal creates a barrier or at the least interference in the link Druids have with nature. This disruption is disconcerting to the Druid. That's why they can still use metal weapons, because it is wielded and not something they are encasing themselves in. In terms of treated leather, it doesn't create the same barrier and is more conductive for this natural link.
Kind of like a wifi signal. It goes through some material nicely, but put a think piece of various metals around and it has trouble.
I am no fan of druid for some reason playing as nature lover neutral is a bummer probably mostly because of alignment lock, almost the same as why I never touch monk or paladin.
I feel bad for the druid in my game, she's relegated to being just a healer and I can tell she gets frustrated by it. Especially since she's a Storm Order druid and can mess people up.
@Professor Thinker yeah but she doesn't really do that either. She was the main healer for almost half the game until someone finally brought in a cleric. So she just casts Guidance or Electric Arc now. That's it.
@Professor Thinker yeah she'll heal when necessary now but she can do so much more. But doesn't.
Bronat, it's not very druid like to shave.
EDIT:
If the Beastkin Party member was in hybrid form, I would say DC 10 flat check. Fail, half healing. Pass, full healing. Humanoid form no heal.
I know, but it was getting itchy and winter's almost over.
Video starts at 2:06.
Did anyone else feel like this video volume was lower than usual?
Dont like the metal restriction on Druids. Always kind of irked me, its the same as crafting armor from wood essentially. Or heating sand for glass.
Comment for the algorithm
They can't use metal armor, but they can use metal weapons?
I want a flying t-rex!
Animals and Beasts are separate traits, so no, you cannot use heal animal on beastkin.
@O K Beast:
A creature **similar** to an animal but with an Intelligence modifier of -3 or higher is usually a beast. **Unlike an animal**, a beast might be able to speak and reason.
@O K "Evasive" I literally replied with the trait's description. They're not animals with "special features". They're "similar" to animals. Have you ever heard of this thing called Google? It can be used to search for definitions of words. I'm done here. I have a session to prepare for.
the nerf is real, the first pathfinder, they were gods