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- The Rogue in Pathfinder Second Edition is easily the most complicated iteration of the class in any system. In this class guide, I'll go over everything from class features to feat from level 1-20. Strap in, because this is a long one.
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I made an Int Rogue Gnome who at level 1 was not only was trained in 15 skills, but also knew 12 languages. I really like the rogue.
Lol Nonat, your "sabotage" trolling was awesome.
I was listening in the background, I had to do a double take.
I was watching it on TV and had to pull this up on my phone for the comments to make sure it was a troll.
It caused me physical discomfort
The totally straight face while trolling.....
I knew he was trolling and I was still enraged the ENTIRE TIME.
Nonat, dropping a new video: “GIVE ME AN HOUR OF YOUR LIFE”
Me, watching this a second time: “I can only give you two”
Deal
I think I'm back here for the fourth time now.
Thank you, mr. "2 to 20".
Still haven’t played an actual game of pf2e but theory balance wise giving dex to damage to only one class really helps get rid of “dex god stat” situations that happen
I really dislike dnd 5e for automatically giving dex to damage, making str or dex usually a "dump stat" instead of wanting both, and dex just being so much more useful overall
@@laki7480 dex just being infinitely more versatile than str is the biggest issue because str builds still need dex but dex builds can drop str. Shit sucks
I'd still say that Dex is the best stat in 2e. There's actually dex to damage for a wide variety of martial classes, but there's still no way to get str to ac.
@@amiablereaper You can get STR to AC. That's the point of heavy armor. While your stat isn't applied, it's what allows you to have the same or better armor class than Dex to AC.
@@amiablereaper What other ways can you get Dex to damage?
The different books in every frame was great for the intro
Nice perception check 😉
I REALLY liked the Starfinder one, another game I have been looking into recently
@@JacksonOwex How is Starfinder? Do you know what the biggest differences to Pathfinder are (besides the setting, obviously)? I‘m also interested but not too sure what to expect
I noticed this when I caught a glimpse of the starfinder book and went back too far when going back to rewatch it.
@@davy0209
It's an interesting bridge between PF1 and PF2, hews a bit closer to 1e. PF2 is great because it let Paizo fully finishing losing the shackles of 3.5.
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Rogue it is, Nonat "Patrick" 1s!
As a newcomer to the system, I'd really like a mini video on common ways to get the enemy flat footed
Why do you say sabotage the way you do. As I finish that sentence you address it. Mad respect. I was going to break down the proper enunciation. I'm awful sorry
I want to take a moment to defend the "oh, I actually do have this item" feats. I know you complained about them in the Investigator video, but they crop up again here and I just want to go to bat for them.
It's just a different playstyle. The rogue and the investigator are both trying to appeal to the same character fantasy; the always-prepared clever scoundrel who always has just the right item for the situation. Problem: Adventuring gear can cost a lot of money, especially when runes and magic items are also monopolizing your valuable gold. It's not the end of the world if you don't have climbing gear when you suddenly happen upon a sheer cliff, but it can be annoying when you concept your character as "I'm prepared for anything, and I've got a tool for every situation!", and then the GM keeps throwing you into the situations you haven't prepared for. This allows you to worry less about "hmm, do I need FOUR of these items or can I get away with only three" and worry more about investing in the runes that Pathfinder 2e literally expects you to keep up to date on.
I'd like to use an example from the current game I'm GMing. I'm running a 5e game with some friends. Two of them are completely new to DnD, one is a bit of a space-case and forgets things easily, and the last is a little frazzled from essentially being the team dad and sometimes being the only one who knows what he's doing (bless him). These players have so much to worry about that I really don't want to grill them over their inventory. Every time they run into a situation, they look down at their inventory, they see nothing that actually helps them, and then they just sit there and wonder why they're carrying around all this useless shit. It feels upsetting to feel like you picked all the wrong items, especially when you're new and you don't even realize those can be important. Not only that, but these players...they tend to forget they have shit a lot. Like, a LOT. Like, as in I gave them a really fancy and cool magic item from a dungeon with a neat name, they discussed it over the course of the next week as to who should get primary dibs on it, and then come next session I asked "so what are you guys doing with (magic item)?", and one of the players just asked me "what (magic item)?"
So I implemented a new house rule: the Inventory Die. Essentially I removed their inventories and instead assigned each class an Inventory Die. Any time my players want to use a mundane item that would help them that they can reasonably explain to me why they'd have it, they get to pull it out and they roll their inventory die. If they roll above a 2, they're fine, nothing happens. If they roll a 1 or a 2, their inventory die goes down a step. So a character with a d8 inventory could suffer 3 total failures on their inventory roll before they're spent (d8 fails into d6, d6 fails into d4, d4 fails into an empty backpack). The larger your inventory die, the more readily you can dig into your pack for random items before you start to run out of supplies. If you have a lower die size, you may want to try to find other ways to solve your problems before you end up completely spent. They don't have to track an inventory they don't fully understand, they don't run into problems where they forget the shit they already have, and they get to solve problems creatively on the spot rather than trying to preemptively solve every problem in the store before the adventure happens, which also means when they do go shopping, it's for very flashy things that have impact rather than "i need more fukken caltrops". I run cinematic games, so I'm less concerned with tracking everything in their backpacks and more concerned with seeing someone pull out a clutch item at just the right moment and save the day.
That Inventory Die idea is genius. I'd be very interested in knowing how you assigned them to the different classes.
@@NemisCassander I want to say I've seen the inventory die somewhere before, some system that worked to simplify certain of the more tedious aspects of RPGs, but I can't recall where.
However, one alternative would be to charge the characters a set amount of money to "buy" an inventory die, or increase the level of the die. Perhaps something like 5gp (or as appropriate for the economy of your game and table) to buy a d4 Inventory Die. Each additional level adds another 5gp, so that a d6 would be 10gp, d8 costs 15gp, and so forth, to a max of a d12. I'd need to play test something like this before being comfortable with it, but I think the idea of an Inventory Die could be implemented in a number of ways.
I will try that
You know why Watch your Back is also good?
First action watch your back, second action Scare to Death, which they now take a -2 to.
Absolutely brutal XD
00:00 Intro
1:30 Key ability and proficiencies
3:15 Rogue racket(subclass)
3:55 Ruffian racket
5:44 Scoundrel racket
6:55 Thief racket
8:10 Eldritch trickster racket
9:28 Mastermind racket
10:30 Sneak attack(1st level)
11:15 Surprise attack(1st level)
11:50 Rogue skill feats progression
12:25 Rogue skill increase progression
12:46 Deny advantage(2nd level)
13:00 Weapon tricks(5th level)
13:25 Debilitating strike(9th level)
14:38 Double debilitation(15th level)
15:03 Master strike(19th level)
16:38 1st level Rogue feats
21:30 2nd level Rogue feats
25:50 4th level Rogue feats
32:33 6th level Rogue feats
37:04 8th level Rogue feats
39:20 You can go nyah
44:08 10th level Rogue feats
47:12 12th level Rogue feats
50:33 14th level Rogue feats
53:29 16th level Rogue feats
54:59 ASMR
59:13 18th level Rogie feats
1:02:45 20th level Rogue feats
You forgot one really important timestamp: 39:28
@@natanoj16 Sorry. I'll add it.
Ando 54:55 for the ASMR
@@AlossFS Added
24:51 there is *kinda* a thrown build, Lost Omens Pathfinder Guide added Fane's Fourberie Where you can fight with playing cards and treat them as knives or darts
Just a minor precision here for "Steal spell" feat: it says "when you use Lengendary thief", which is a 1 min activity, preventing to steal spell while in combat. But you can exhaust spells from a sleeping spellcaster that way, stealing them and wait 4 rounds each time to let the stollen spell been lost, not using it to remain hidden.
43:11 Tactical Entry lets you trade being hidden for a free action and a chance to use Surprise Strike. You can only use it if you beat your enemies in initiative, so Surprise Strike is guaranteed, and in most cases you are going to blow your cover in the first round anyway.
Comment for the algorithm! Rogues are great and the way they are done in Pathfinder 2E is just awesome. This class has so many kinds of flavors that feel totally different. Great video as always, looking forward to your Ranger deep dive.
The algorithm thanks you. (And I do too!)
"I told you guys! You don't fuck with our barbarian. She's crazy! Oh shit, and now she's got her eyes on you. I'd say run, but that won't help!"
I love how you announced it on stream as a joke and chat bullied you into actually doing it lol. Gonna have a blast watching this one!
They threw money at it me and it bruised my wallet. They made me do it!!!
@@Nonat1s I mean, this is one of the best instances of bullying I guess.
@@Nonat1s Perfect use of plant evidence, right there.
Upon hearing of the Eldritch Trickster, I immediately went to the Summoner Archetype to see if it had Basic Spellcasting features, which it did, because I realized that that would be a really easy and effective Aladdin build.
But then I remembered that there's no Genie Eidolon. Guess a Demon has to do.
Hot take: Rogues are the "main character" of classes. They're just good at everything, have a million ways you can build them, and are all about showing off. Source = currently playing one now and it's my favorite class.
Oozes
I could say the same for investigators and even perhaps swashbucklers. And please try the slithering adventure, you will hate it.
A final hot take: Valeros is more main character than Merissiel
Wow.
A lot of ideas going through my head.
Like:
1) Play with the Free Archetype Rule. Play Rogue. Eldritch Trickster. Choose Wizard for Eldritch Trickster. Pick up the Alchemist Archetype feats with the optional rule.
You're the closest thing to Batman (Prep).
Insane stealth, thievery, athletics, acrobatics, and investigation. A utility belt of abilities (arcane spells, potions, mutagens, poisons, bombs) that you can customize based on what you're dealing with. High knowledge in a lot of areas (base skills + high intelligence for additional skills). Precision damage on strikes
You could actually loosen the pommel of a long sword using Sabotage. When the enemy attempt to use it, the blade would fly free from the handle and go off into space. The DM must be mindful in the instance of the use as to what might actually be able to be sabotaged and what not.
Was totally expecting an "end the enemy rightly" joke there.
Except the feat specifically calls out swords as ineligible. Also a pommel, under normal circumstances, is not a moving part, it is a part for sure, but it is snugly secured and stays immobile during operation. This skill is doing something quick and easy like cutting a bow or crossbow string (or possible just unstringing them) or detaching the chain of a Morningstar, something that could feasibly be done easily in a single action with only a simple hand trick. To remove a pommel typically requires bracing the sword against something, and using a percussive instrument to hammer off the pommel, usually requiring multiple strikes to dislodge it, which would require full control of the weapon, it's not something you could do while it is in an opponent's possession, not without magic, and this feat is not a magical one. You could argue that the opponent may have a poorly maintained sword and the pommel is extremely loose, but that would be highly situational and not something the feat would trigger, because again, it would require magic to make it so every opponent you face somehow has a loose pommel.
The sabotage you're talking about is something that would occur before a battle. like sneaking into an enemy camp's armory and sabotaging all the weapons before the battle the next day, this is something any character can do, but it requires full control of the weapons and time to do it. It's not this rogue feat which is going to typically be used mid-battle or possibly shortly before while the enemy is alert and is possession of their weapon, with extreme finesse, not brute force.
This GREAT! Having played D&D since 78 I decided yesterday to pick up Pathfinder 2e Core Rules, Adv Players Guide, Bestiary and some PC sheets. Diving in because more is better. Played a Rouge PC my entire life and can’t wait for my first IRL at the table with a P2e Rogue.
Rogues in 2e are absolutely my favorite of any system! They're the ULTIMATE skill monkey!
Predictive Purchase; because how else does Batman know to pack Shark Repellant in his utility belt?
You got me there.
We commonly refer to the Rogue as "The Alpha Class" at our weekly PFS sessions. But I made a Gnome Tiefling Rogue who is a Scoundrel and Captivator Dedication, she is essentially a low-powered Dandasuka now.
There ARE builds for thrown-weapon rogues :D They got a lot of thrown-weapon-love in the APG (so did the fighter and barbarian). Combine it with the Dual-Weapon Warrior archetype and you can go absolutely crazy with thrown weapons!
Awesome video as always!
Edit: Oh sorry, I hadn't watched til the end when writing the comment =D
To be fair, NoNat was also speaking too early x'D
"I encourage all my players to take Prescient Planner and use it every time it becomes available." - nonat
25:03
NoNat: there are not really and thrown weapons builds in PF2E
My ruffian javelin thrower: I'm about to end this mans whole carrier
What is the build?
A point about Overextending Feint - you can Feint twice, and take a different effect each time.
Unbalancing Blow; some enemies have All-around Vision or Deny Advantage, etc.
31:00
"Predictable!" is a really good thing from narrative perspective. I really love it!
You should make some builds of the classes you cover too. I'd love to see you building a rogue, specialy an Eldritch trickster.
One thing you missed with swift elusion. It's not in the feat itself but synergy. Legendary sneak, you're always sneaking. If you've got invisibility or hidden paragon. Baddy seeks moves rogue from undetected to hidden, success, 2nd action stride up to rogue, reaction stride to a different stay adjacent square. Guess who's undetected again in a different square. Not better than blank slate but amazing.
I think the big reason why Rogues have such a low armor proficiency is to compensate for Nimble Dodge. Since Rogues don't have lots to do with their reaction, this is basically a feat that you can pick to increase your AC to +2. Granted, it's only against a single attack, but still, that's pretty good for 1x1.
My first ever PF2e character I made is for an upcoming campaign.
Eldritch Trickster Rogue, variant Human. I don’t have access to my chacarse sheet atm but I think I choose Witch as the spell casting source too.
Basically my character is going to be an NPC from my own 5e Curse of Strahd campaign.
The party’s rogue killed their friend in front of them, blamed an enemy, and everyone believed him on a 29 deception roll cause he was around a corner. Then Nimir (my character) got mauled by a fiendish Spirit Guardians but survived- a commoner that made their save against what would have been 7 damage, halved to 3- thus gaining some dark magic.
The line from my campaign that’ll always haunt them?
After the rogue killed their friend he disappeared. Then he came from around a corner to backstab an enemy, rolling a 25 Intimidation to keep Nimir quiet.
After he successfully Sneak Attacked he said, “Good job, screaming is for the weak” before dying himself 2 rounds later.
I’m so excited to play Nimir
Important to note for the Ruffian, if you want heavy armor you can just take the Sentinel dedication and you immediately gain heavy armor proficiency that scales at the same rate as your medium armor. I play a Ruffian Rogue Orc, front lining with a mace and a shield in full plate armor.
well, another class in the list of ones i want to try (actually all classes are on that list). best rackets are mastermind and eldritch trickster
EVERY time I make one of these videos I get like 3 new character ideas I want to play
@@Nonat1s yeah, and there are tons of options to explore
Hey! My names there! Thanks a bunch for the video!! Been super looking forward to a rogue deep dive! Glad to have it so early!!!
Awesome video dude, I don't know how easy it'll be to convince my players to watch a full hour to learn Rogue but this was super helpful for me who also wants to learn how to craft a Rogue myself.
I want to make shorter versions of these class guides in the future. Namey, I want to remake my super old "Beginner's Guide" videos where I explain the whole class in less than 15 minutes. (in far less detail)
@@Nonat1s I can see how those would be helpful. Kinda gel it down to "if this sounds neat, you'll love the nitty gritty of the full class stuff."
I personally love these super long videos so thank you for making it cause it really helped me see what kind of stuff this class is capable of and what makes it unique.
Cheeky Sabotage trolling
Quick thing for Mastermind Rogues, I think playing around with Additional Lore (auto leveling lore skills always handy), Assurance and Automatic knowledge could be fun. Throw in Loremaster to get the Advantage focus spell when you actually want to roll.
Definitely better for APs where certain types of monster will come up more often than not throughout the AP
Assurance is great for normal successes, but that critical success effect is just SO dang juicy. I feel like you always want to try for it.
@@Nonat1s See i agree in cases, but perhaps not for the lower level creature you might face. For me, if you have automatic knowlegde to hit a certain DC and get a round of sneak attack off without help as a free action against things you might kill in a round with that extra (potentially 6+ d6 in a round).... then roll with the loremaster spell two dice to shoot for the crit against something a bit meatier
Having just started PF and making a rogue because, after 20 year of TTRPGs I never played one, this is incredibly helpful
I've only played one once in 10 years, and the campaign ended after 3 sessions! It was a rogue/cleric multiclass too. Was super interesting.
I had this video running in the background while I worked and wasn't looking at it during the sabotage situation. At first I really thought sayboteg was a word. Good one!
NoNat ASMR rules
Seriously though, Rogues in PF2 rule. I'm playing a scoundrel rogue who heals more than they do damage, and has every non-Lore skill trained or better except for Survival. You can make so many varied and unique characters just from this class alone.
Fun fact: Rogues aren't martials, they're a skill class. Thought they were built on a different chassis and then the Investigator playtest all but confirmed it but the Ancestor Oracle really confirmed it.
That makes Swashbucklers skill-martial hybrids and we're getting caster-martial hybrids (magus and summoner) now we just need a skill-caster hybrid.
How did the oracle confirm it? Because they gave three options implying three chassis?
From the beginning they seemed different. But with the three outcomes for ancestor oracles and the Investigator being built the same way. Together they add enough evidence. Plus once when I mentioned it in the FB group one of the Paizo folk (Michael Sayre if I remember correctly) liked the comment. None of them alone are hard evidence granted but taken together they certainly heavily point in that direction.
And then add in how differently the Swashbuckler functions from other martials...
Man, rogues are a powerhouse of effects and versatility.
Five Legendary skills? Try Six, and that's just with default. If you get the Acrobat Archetype, you can make it Seven Legendary skills since Acrobatics automatically scales with it. If you take Additional Lore, that becomes Eight Legendary skills (and one more with each time you take it). Though a better version of Additional Lore is Gnome Obsession, which does the same thing, but also scales your starting Lore, so that would be Nine Legendary skills by the end (though you can't take it multiple times). Rogues and also Investigators make great skill classes (So does Bard, but in a more choice limited way).
Why would you tell me this? This just makes me want to play a rogue even more.
@@Nonat1s Sorry, I just love a good skill monkey.
The Investigator's also a fantastic option in that regard, they can also get that many skill proficiencies, plus they can add their level to any untrained Recall Knowledge check, so they're also fantastic for skills. Honestly one of the best classes for the Medicine skill too.
I should be getting a 2e game going as soon as our 1e Hell's Rebels game ends, and Skilling is something I want to focus on.
Been waiting ages for this! thank you
A rogue with Watch Your Back would nicely compliment a witch with Evil Eye. I really like feats like Prescient Planner since you don't have to spend time actually shopping basic for items and it opens up more RP avenues. Opportune Backstab plus Leave an Opening would be brutal for anything caught between a rogue and a fighter with Combat Reflexes. Speaking of rogue fighter combo, who's reaction resolves first if a rogue uses Stay Down!? Cloud Step would see more frequent use than Blank Slate; Blank Slate would be really GM dependent. Thematically Implausible Infiltration would go well with the Oozemorph archetype. What surprised me about the rogue is just how much of a team player their feats make them, both in relation to martials and casters.
Every time I watch one of those videos, I'm so hyped, I just have to open Pathbuilder 2 to just mess around the character creation. 😅
Love them. 😁
Starting my second (permanent) Pathfinder character soon.
Eno Makovic.
Human Ruffian rogue.
Rapier in 1 hand, whip in the other… you know, the whip that can trip, disarm, agile and finesse, and has a range of 10 feet allowing him to provide flanking without being in most creature’s attack range.
Took a feat to get access to martial weapons just to get access to the whip lol.
The party also has a fighter with a 10 foot reach weapon.
Imagine- round 1, we both go before the big baddie, I disarm the target and deal a sneak attack from 10 feet back, the fighter trips and does a power attack from 10 feet back. The target has to (1) stand up (2) pick up or draw their weapon (3) if it isn’t, close the distance with one of us or throw out a 1 action spell.
Rogues are definitely crazy. You need to be aware of all your feats at all times to make good use of them. Not easy.
Fully enjoying your channel, my dude.
29:55 here we see an example of the different ways a scoundrel rogue uses subterfuge to further their own goals, as opposed to other types of rogues
i know that this was made 2 years ago but good lord your pronunciation of sabotage actually gave me whiplash
Whoa hooaaa oh sabotage!
Things sound never quite the way they seem. 🎶
Took some donations but we finally got the Rogue!
46:24 not sure if mentioned later but at one point you can pick 2 of these options because of a rogue class feature
"its an investigator feat, it feels weird to put it on a rouge." he knows the investigator in 1e was a hybrid class of alchemist and rouge so cross over shouldnt be that weird.
good video dude
6:49 i love that little editing slip up (I am assuming) laughing so hard at this ;D ... that little awkward pause and then you think you start talking... only to have a the jump cut nevertheless haha :D
amazing video as always mate, keep at it!
Haha, the raw footage was 2 hours long. I'm not surprised something slipped up in there. I've fixed in the built-in youtube editor, but that was an hour ago and it still hasn't processed it lol
To be fair, you can do overextending feint for both effects on a turn, you just have to normal feint as well
I kind of want to take Barbarian with the Rogue Dedication just to combine "You're Next" and "Scared to death"
"you're next" is a good investment for most intimidation builds.
And a Barbie is likely to actually kill things. :)
They don’t combine. Scare to death takes an action so cannot be added to the reaction from YN
@@gm9460 you can demoralize them first and then scare to death for increased chance of success
Laki7 ooh. For some reason I thought scare to death was just an enhanced demoralise. But they are separate. Good to know as I am an intimidate ruffian. Great with rogue because at level 16 I can take legendary in society and legendary linguist to remove the main barriers to that ability
I think that rogue just might be my favorite class in the core rulebook for PF 2e. I would ordinarily prefer casters, like in 5e, but in 2e, the way that casters handled the 3 action economy, it's hardly any different from 5e. Spells are worth 2 actions, and your 3rd action is basically reserved for 5e style concentration. If I am to play PF 2e, I play it for the flexibility of all the different situational actions you can take, and when you can do 3 per turn rather than 1 per turn, you can take advantage of those extra options.
Great video! thanks for te tips
I never knew I'd appreciate ASMR nonat
ASMR finishing part is great! :D
That rogue rolling skill checks bit where the DM switches to the Starfinder book had me literally rolling out of my chair laughing.
I'm a forever GM at the moment, but should I have the chance to play as a character, rogue is the class I'm most excited to try. Specifically mastermind rogue! I just wanna spam recall knowledges and bust out double damage sneak attacks.
The character level 1 I'm playing right now (Strength of Thousands over @ BDG) is trained in...
All Skills...
And 3 Lores.
And for those who may ask Mastermind Rogue...
I don't care for how most people sound while whispering. That being sad, I found your voice surprisingly calming once the whispering hit. Future ASMR videos perhaps?
Nonat had the Fatigued condition by the time he got to the Level 20 feats.
It's important that you only apply your critical specialization if your target is flat-footed.
I mean, who attacks enemies normally with a rogue, but sometimes that can be the only option.
the way you say sabotage really gives me the "this is the first time ive seen your vids" vibes, mostly because thats the case, but still
TH-cam notifications you have failed me.
But discord will always be there for you
Nimble dodge isn't comparable to reactivate shield. It only works on the attack that triggered it. Reactive shield works for the rest of the turn
That's a fair point. Didn't think of that part.
@@Nonat1s great content as always though!
Boyer you probs dont remember me but its Kindoru from caffeine. so glad to see you doing well my friend. much love and keep on going
Much love, brother! Hope things are awesome with you too!!
Is funny how the fighter and the rogue are real best friends in this sistem. Put these two against someone and the enemy will run away crying.
You’re Next has the problem of it being a reaction until level 15 and there quickly becomes better choices
Missed that legendary thing though because I don’t usually look that far ahead!
That outro was the most relatable yet lmao
I was gonna confusingly comment asking if that was another way of pronouncing "sabotage" lol THANK YOU FOR THIS VID BTW BC ROGUES ARE ALWAYS MY FAVOURITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with thrown stuff, you could add the "Rule-Of-Cool" and have small explosive thrown weapons like the explosive stars in the classic TMNT cartoon
i needed to listen to the sabotage part 3 times bc i couldn't focus. thank you.
note on the "shove down" class feat that "assurance" skill feat on athletics takes away the MAP from the trip
Dex to damage is huge, thief is the one you pick if you want to maximize damage and not give up some dex by being a ruffian. Perhaps weakest in terms of the amount of things you get, but thief is by no means weak
It's an even better striker than the ruffian honestly.
@@austinobst8989 the average damage will shift after lv5, if not already when gaining the striking rune or just by picking str as key attribute.. Then again, elf rogues with curve blades just get the benefit of both
I would love a con based poison rogue that has a mechanic where they store the poison in there body and using the poisons causes persistence damage to the rogue. Also I wish the rogue had more for two weapon fighting.
tbh, I don't really think the Thief needed to have *that* ability, because that Dex-To-Damage thing really messes with the structure of other parts of the system, like, I could feasibly argue that Swashbucklers should get it too, because a Rapier is MUCH less about just shanking your opponent and more about finding the soft meaty tissue that isn't well protective (like the throat), I think Thief would've been better off with some sort of movement ability (like idk, take the Skirmisher ability from 5e to give them the ability to move without provoking opportunity as a reaction when someone enters your range or something, might be a bit powerful in Pathfinder but idk)
That intro... I can relate (halfling thief with lots of deception) . Anything but nature, religion, survival, or medicine. He is a city mouse and a gambler, and he's quite selfish. He'd rather just buy potions and sleep in a feather bed after a night of carousing.
Reactive pursuit Negates Step and abilities similar to the rogues own ability to move half thier speed without AOO's.
Wasn't bothered either way for class guides but Thank you regardless stream donators!!!
Overextending feint is good when you're already flanking. Gives you something to do with feint then
I think who ever wrote this class and all the sub-classes was/is a fan of the TV show "Leverage".
Starting at 52:20, we get Nonat1s ASMR. Enjoy!
Hidden paragon is literally the superpower "you're invisible as long as nobody can see you."
Great video! Inspired me to make a Saboteur racket, here's the write up, hope you can take a look:
"You gain the Mispronounce action that deals mental damage equal to your sneak attack... ya frickin' troll"
I took that at level 2. It's great.
@@Nonat1s God help us all.
Also I realized, you'd be so opposed to my champion/rogue knife thrower, and I suppose that's my revenge?
Iirc there are general and skill (???) feats that allow you to use cards as thrown weapons and do a lot of interesting things with them. Put this on a rogue and it should be a very fun "gambit" light build.
Just wierd how ruffian weapon damage have to be d8 AFTER modifiers, so multiclassing cleric and getting deadly simplicity can ruin your sneak attacks because of a bit of religion.
Also, mastermind rogue+assured knowledge=sneak attack against all equal leveled monsters most of the time (of chosen knowledge).
Tactical entry works with surprise attack anyway
Can you do a class tier list based off subclass?
Nonat: "Why are they giving support for a Thrown Weapon Rogue? that's weird."
Me: THIS MAN HAS NEVER PLAYED MORROWIND AND SHOULD FIX THAT
So let's see if I maybe get some ideas for my Half-Orcess Glasha who is an Eldritch Trickster which I for once, have not planned much ahead ^^
Bit late to the video, but I got a bar kee rogue who became good at everything cuz he is a sensate gnome who listened in on conversations around the bar as well as talked to the crazy creatures that came in and out (liches,gnolls, humans, etc)
The bit about tele. Projectile would deal 5d6 as a 5th level spell at 10th character level, right? Heighten spell always confuses me.
So, at 11th character level you would be doing 5d6+3d6+4? or whatever your bonus is on a sneak attack. Too bad it is a 2 action spell.
Overextending Feignt, for when you are flanking your opponent (giving you flat-footed) and want to still do something that isn't an attack to hinder him.
Therapist: Don't worry, NoNat ASMR isn't real it can't hurt you!
NoNat ASMR:
Can you not use swift sneak with tactical entry? Tactical entry says you stride, and swift sneak says you can swift sneak instead of striding.
how dose telekanitic projectial do 5d6+(cast mod) at lvl 5? I thought it was a new die every spell level you have (as in lvl 3 spellcaster, that get 3d6+mod) or was that an example with sneak attack?
Yes 2d6 sneak