They mentioned Jack White in the intro, and at risk of being a nerd about it, I think some stuff is worth clarifying. Jack didn't use an octave fuzz on Seven Nation Army. That was a Digi-tech Whammy pedal bumping his signal down a full octave for the verse, and simply a Big Muff for the chorus/solo. The majority of the White Stripe stuff did not use octave fuzz as such, but a combination of a Big Muff and the Whammy in various configurations, with a few songs getting harmonies from a Pog. Jack has started using octave fuzz for recently, specifically his Bumble Buzz pedal, and the Third Man Records Plasma Pedal both have some octave effects to them, though in very different degrees and styles. His last album, Boarding House Reach has a couple of solos and riffs that use octave fuzz, with Over and Over and Over coming esp. to mind for riffs, or Respect Commander for a solo. Again, sorry if I went on a bit, but I think this is worth pointing out.
If I remember correctly the reason the neck pickup is more pronounced around fret 12 is because the string has its maximum amplitude right over the pickup because it's sat equidistant between bridge and fret. There's also less harmonic content there. I may be wrong though, my brain is mush lately.
yeah, the fundamental and octave harmonics are really accentuated there, and the octave circuit works best with just octave and fundamental harmonics. Other harmonics mush it up a bit, which also sounds cool but there isn't so much a pronounced octave.
Exactly. It's why on some guitars, a natural harmonic on the 5th fret will just disappear when you use the neck pickup. The pickup is placed directly at where the 24th fret would be, which is also where the string is divided in fourths (5th fret, 12th fret, 24th fret). Playing at the 12th fret means the pickup is picking up the node of the string directly an octave above the fretted note. So if you could have a pickup that moved to be exactly 12 frets above any note you fretted, you could get the octave effect to be nice and pronounced everywhere!
yeah playing around that fret 11 - 14 area put the first "node" where the string vibrates around to produce a first order harmonic is right over the pickup, so you get lots of that and lots of fundamental
I hate to contradict, but the FOXX Tone Machine definitely uses diodes for recification and the octave, and separate ones are used for hard clipping. The superfuzz is all transistors for the octave.
@@ThatPedalShow That was a great show! I have a PP Fuzz and love it! Mick said about it cleaning up really well - do you guys have any plans to feature 'great clean up pedals' as i feel it's best feature hasn't been seen...? It's seriously changed the way i play (for the better ha ha!). Great work guys - TPS and PP!
FINALLY!!!! After what 5 years of asking for it, I finally get the TPS Octave Fuzz episode. You say 45 minutes of octave fuzz is peoples nightmare, well it's my noisey Heaven! (seriously Dan in Drop D on the 3699 is the closest to "home" you guys have got to tones I go for personally...probably why I'm not in any bands) Interesting things I didn't realise, beside how they worked & how different the shift from Octavio to Superfuzz style is (as different as Fuzz Face is to Big Muff), the Octavio types remind me very much of a ring modulator in how they are so specific. Might be why I don't care for them. But anything Foxx Tone Machine, like the 3699, the old Danelectro French Toast, Diamond F-Octave, or the one I have the MXR LaMachine. Very interesting to find out how the sound that I adore actually works...and how it sounds in the hands of better players for what was (and likely would always be for me) all too brief a time. Now I ask...when's Octave Fuzz part 2?!
The octave effect got started independent of fuzz. The Octavia or Octavio has an input driver but is not a fuzz and it was/is normally used driven by a fuzz, as otherwise it tends to gate off sustain. Likewise the Green Ringer. The reason that a more obvious octave up is produced by the higher notes of the guitar is that the higher notes contain less harmonics. The closer the input is to a pure sine wave the clearer the octave effect becomes. This is also why using the neck pickup and rolling down the tone control produces a clearer octave effect, the neck pickup senses more of the fundamental note and the tone filter is removing upper harmonics. The problem with driving the octave effect with a fuzz is that the fuzz is producing square waves rather than pure sine waves. The result of full wave rectifying a square wave is a signal that contains a lot of other harmonics as well as the octave up. When Dan talks about the Danelectro 3699 I could swear he says the octave up effect is 'done with transistors not diodes'. I'm guessing he meant to say transformer. Danelectro say that the 3699 is the Foxx pedal with a few teaks. The original Foxx Tone Machine uses a transistor phase splitter driving two diodes to produce the reification effect. As Dan says there are two more diodes used for clipping further on in the circuit.
Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU! I've been waiting for this episode for months, and you did not disappoint! I have been chasing the octave sound on violin (where it works all over the instrument, and the bow solves the sustain issue, and the gating works to reduce feedback), and this show is opening so many doors/possibilities. Rectification makes sense! Never knew how this worked. And the Jonny Octave, which initially I disliked on its own, finally makes sense when you combine it with other fuzz pushing it. (Maybe that makes sense across the board). Now I understand why Josh Smith uses the "Believe" with fuzzes pushing it too... Versatile for compact rigs. I've got a lot of stacking to try out...
The TC sub 'n up is a great alternative to the pog, that doesn't get enough love. There are toneprints, polyphonic and "vintage" modes that get you in the vein of all of the stuff in this episode when mixed with a tonebender or fuzzface and you can add chorusing, flanging, etc. in the editor program to get into the b3 organ camp.
As always... a great primer on Octave Fuzz. However when you were showing the 3699 Fuzz, I think you missed citing a prime example of that sound... Adrian Belew's "Big Electric Cat." AB used the original FoxxTone Fuzz all over that song, and it's a "melt your face off" tone.
At the risk of blabbering on a bit I'll try make a long story short and guaranteed wont succeed. (And yes this is in an octave fuzz vid😂) Music has been everything for me. Went to uni studied it with no theory knowledge prior, just love for it. Then I started to grow distant with it, I had some big life things go on, some great, some terrible, all changed me. I didn't pick up my guitar for years.. depression is a dick btw. Recently back to being massively inspired. Went and bought a new guitar, an amp and started to re learn! You guys are wicked and have kickstarted that for me. And thanks for the Doyle tip! LOVE!!!!!! Keep making massive vids on everything you guys are legends! Love ya!
Hats off to Dan for coming up with some interesting little melodic ideas, big fan of his playing, some things just fall out of his guitar sometimes that really lights up the ear.
😁😁 That ending was hilarious - nice one on the shout out to Zachary Vex, his stuff is always outstanding!! Oh and I know you did a show with the Bigfoot Octo Puss, another great octave fuzz - so impressed was I, I bought one! Cheers guys KUTGW!!
The Zep track with the blue box was the Fool in the Rain Solo. I love the classic Octavio ones - so cutting, gritty and musical in its imperfection. In general far prefer the cutting to the ultra wooly/bassy side of fuzz with the exception of muffs which I use more for smooth modulated leads rather than sludge
Love the Pedal Pawn through the Octahive! Really digging my King Tone Mini Ge (in Zonk mode, slightly under biased) into my Henretta Purple Octopus. Also, just got the 25th anniversary Fuzz Factory...still playing around with the 10,000 different sounds, but there are nature Octave sounds that pop out. Love how subtly different Fuzz is from one to another. Always inspiring.
Great show gents. I just added one of those Bigfoot Octo Puss passive pedals to my board and its great, especially with my Pedal Pawn Fuzz going into it. Plus it doesn't take up another power slot.
“And you shall be healed” HAHAHA thanks Mick. Fun episode! The POG has got me wanting an episode full of synth pedals though! Bonus points if Dan pulls out the Ed Strat with the infinite sustain and Mick plays the Jazzmaster. 🙏✨
I recently added the Danelectro 3699 fuzz to my board thinking it would replace my EQD Fuzz Master General and I've ended up having both on the board because they sound so good in their own right. The Fuzz Master General is incredible for neck pickup, upper neck ring mod type tones and it is all over the new album I'm putting together. Awesome show guys!
After playing for 25 years, I finally understand octave fuzz and have learned to love it. The songs that helped me fall in love with it are Parchman Farm and Evil by a lesser known 70's band known as Cactus. They were such a fantastic rock band that should have been bigger in my opinion.
Always liked Joey's story about his octave fuzz ... 'Is it broken' ....'It must be broken'.... 'I'm returning this'. I dont use it, watched to learn, great episode.
Something I would find very interesting would be a mic pre/analog channel strip test. I've tried to get classic guitar tones - Ritchie Blackmore's Machine Head era, classic Status tones etc. I believe the mic pres and channel strips made a huge impact on the tone back in the day. Nowadays the mic pres are super clean and transparant, but that wasn't the case 40-50 years ago. Have a great weekend!
Yep, no arguments here... and then of course all the subsequent EQ and compression/limiting/mattering etc. It ended up (and continues to end up) a far cry from what’s coming out of the speaker.... super interesting topic! Edit, mastering. Sorry!
That Pedal Show Exactly. I found the isolated guitar track from Highway Star by Deep Purple. Strat->some sort of boost->AC30. The sound is huge! But it doesn’t sound like that setup. The bottom end is massive but there’s still a clear top end.
Thank you for recommending Eric Gales. I didn't know who he was until I saw this episode. Robert Randolph blow my mind playing Vodoo Chile on Crossroads 2007. Can't get enough.
Noob level - every time they collapse giggling Casual level - every time someone says interesting Weekend warrior level - when the horn honks Custom shop re-issue level - for the entire length of a tangent W/d/w dual tomato dumble level - from waking up
everytime dan say “t shaped object” everytime mic suddedly changes key mid-noodle everytime either of them say “clipping” everytime either of them mispronounce the word impedance, intentionally or not 😂
Hi Guys, love the show, as always. Two TPS hoodies arrived on Wednesday, so my winter wardrobe is complete, and I'll be looking cool whilst keeping warm. Thanks to Katherine and the whole gang, and fuzz on!
We often incorrectly attribute Muff style fuzzes when thinking of Dan Auerbach of The Black Keys. Dan switched over to Companion / super fuzz types octave fuzzes ever since the Brothers album. Dan Auerbach is the master of tastefully using octave fuzz for a more musical flow IMO. Check out their latest album for some rad octave fuzz tones.
Thanks Aaron. Yes, we shoot in Sony S Log 3 and grade from there. Always work to do, but it’s a constant process of learning. :0) We’ve also switched out one of the cameras. The closer camera is now a full-frame type (Super 35 before) and in the next few weeks both cams will be full frame. Just looks better to me. Mick here. Lenses are crucial of course, but that notwithstanding....
That Pedal Show I was going to add, the close up shots, especially of Dan (prob the colours in his shirt), sure looked great. Anyway, back to octave pedals...
I can recommend Joe Gore's Screech: the strongest, purest octave ever. It sounds like a soprano and it has the octave on all pickup and all over the neck.
Thank you Darrell, that is tremendously edifying. It’s seems that fuzz and Octafuzz especially are as polarising as a certain nation’s current presidential election!
So excited for this video, but Chicago Iron owns the objective king of these things and no mention by our pedal board professors. Damn, boys. You can’t show every pedal, but you left out Zeus. I do like some of these alternatives, however. Octa-fuzz forever! I love the following for the Octavian sounds: Blue on black -kenny Wayne Shepherd Belief - John Mayer Fool in the rain - Led zeppelin I’m bad, I’m nationwide - ZZ Top Bad penny - Rorry Gallagher LED boots- Jeff Beck Scumbag blues- them crooked vultures Come on over - kenny Wayne Shepherd And of course, Jimi’s: one rainy wish, purple haze, we gotta live together, fire, machine fun, little miss lover, little wing, and who knows. Also, Lance Keltner’s demo of the Nik Huber Krautster has to be the best Octa-fuzz tone, ever. Do yourself a favor and search youtube for it, but wear a diaper as you’ll crap your shorts, for sure. This is fun!
My first octave fuzz, and only one ‘til recently, was a Prescription Electronics Experience. It’s basically a Foxx Tone Machine clone with a Swell option that takes you into bizarro territory. Lotsa fun! I think it preceded the COB. I’ve added a Supreme to the mix now, also much fun.
Oh damn, this could've been the episode with the mxr blue box smoothly sneaked in. Bad timing. And after watching the episode until the end... You actually bought it as well Dan! Me too! What a weird coincidence with the videos etc.
Oh man. I've been wanting to try an octave fuzz for a long time now but haven't had the guts to pull the trigger on one. Never knew how to use one with my rig. This should help.
Hey brother Mick, I've got no idea if this is true or not, but I was once told that the reason you get so much extra harmonic content when you play a Strat on the neck pickup + around the 12th fret is that, purely by chance, a Strat neck pickup is almost exactly where the 24th fret would be if the neck extended that far. I suppose this is empirically measurable, if one knows the proper ratio for fret distancing; off the top of my head, it does make sense that you'd be getting a lot of 2nd-order harmonics there.
Lots of cool effects! One unique pedal to add to this mix is the Foxrox Octron. All analog octave above and below with full mix control of both and dry signal.
Fuzz addict here! Loved this episode. Dan, can you explain the relationship (if there is one) between octave fuzz and ring modulation? I hear those other “ghost” notes that seem to appear serendipitously with certain pedals and volume knob manipulations on some guitars. Come to think of it, why not do a show on ring modulation? Keep up the great work! Cheers!
Awesome show guys! You say fuzz and I'm in. Love that you cover a variety of octave fuzz tones. Love the crazy stuff, but that Argo is just so smooth and musical- I could see playing that one often and not just as the occasional "effect" - totally sweet.
Little more on the obscure alternative side, but Howe Gelb used a lot of octavia style fuzz in the early Giant Sand records for screwy noise tones, and then Rowland S. Howard inspired me to get a Blue Box. The stories surrounding the feedback on the song The Friend Catcher (The Birthday Party) are worth a read.
Great episode fellas. I just got a Suhr Rufus Reloaded. Great pedal allows you to switch the octave effect on or off by holding the switch down for a second. like having 2 pedals in one.
Since it wasn't really mentioned in the episode, the Pedal Pawn Fuzz is supposed to be the silicon Diaz Texas Square Face thing, Cesar Diaz' Fuzz Face mod for SRV. Homestead Amps, who carry on the Diaz brand in a sense, make a Germanium version called the Preacher. 🤟
Seeing as you were demoing octaves as well as octave fuzzes, I'm surprised you didn't get yer hands on the new Boss box. Any chance of putting it through its paces in a later episode?
I see that aswell, the price is the only reason why i don't have a G20 yet but i have the G3 pedal and i like it, would also like to hear a TPS-opinion about Revv amps.
Hey Mick, off topic I got that book you recommend 'IKIGAI'. Great shout. Also I have a Monterey by keeley and the octave fuzz is wonderful. All the best. Pete.
Thanks Pete, glad you like the book. If you do, continue to The Power Of Now by Eckhart Tolle. It’s a harder read, but maaaaaaan. Totally. Changed. My. Life. Cheers!
Lou's House It’s been a pedal that has been difficult. Besides that it was a gift from someone very close. I regret that I didn’t return it to Sweetwater. Now, I have to make it work. I’m not angry. I listened to demos and based upon them I bought it. It looks great 👍🏼
@@NJSonye dude I totally understand, I did the same thing with TH-cam demos and I thought the thing sounded Killer, maybe I did just get a funky one, but I thought the fuzz was just horrible maybe it was malfunctioning, very sputtery until you turned it up high the fuzz and then it was just way too bright I couldn't even use it. But I totally understand very similar story to yours. It is a beautiful pedal though!
Lou's House I love mine and I have to admit I use the rotary and vibe a lot more than the fuzz. But the guy I got mine off also said he thought the fuzz was terrible but I like it a lot. And ImO even the octafuzz is great. At least as good as any of these in this episode. Fuzz is one of those very subjective tones though
Fulltone Ultimate Octave and Roger Mayer Octave pedals are less spitty and much more versatile due to gain on and off functions and tone knobs and fuzz or octave on/off options. Own them both and absolutely love em. Love ya work guys.. Paul..Victoria Downunder.🤘👍🎸
Can't believe how quickly Mick answered/moved on from the question about where the '61 Strat had gone! Probably a sad departure, and I'd had my suspicions after the last several episodes without it. Although the '61 will be missed, Blue is sounding spectacular! Cheers!
Never a big fan of octave fuzz until you guys hit that 3699. Suddenly I saw a future where my Bass VI was destroying a great many combo amps. Shake, rattle, and roll.
If you roll off top end (tone control) , the octave pops out more, it's less hidden by harmonics. If you build you own (highly recommended adventure), you can build in a low pass filter, so you don't need to roll off the tone every time.
Just make sure it is as tasty as the Pigdog London fuzzes. Do not go mildly on Fuzz pedals, i hope Dan makes a beast fuzz for rhythm and lead explosions. Go all the Fuzz way or dont even build another pale pedal.
Cool episode. You should check out the earthquaker bit commander - despite the name, it's basically a square wave fuzz with an octavia circuit (for the octave up) and both -1 and -2 octave control - all analog. It's crazy versatile and become one of my pedalboard staples!
I like the new Danelectro pedals. At first I assumed they were simply more of their super cheap line, but they're more high end, and wasI very pleasantly surprised! The Roebuck is a really great fuzz! And this octave one is cool too!
An interesting variety; surprised by the differences. Where does the Roger Mayer Octavia fit in this bunch? Completely different? Or most similar to which pedal in this video?
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They mentioned Jack White in the intro, and at risk of being a nerd about it, I think some stuff is worth clarifying. Jack didn't use an octave fuzz on Seven Nation Army. That was a Digi-tech Whammy pedal bumping his signal down a full octave for the verse, and simply a Big Muff for the chorus/solo. The majority of the White Stripe stuff did not use octave fuzz as such, but a combination of a Big Muff and the Whammy in various configurations, with a few songs getting harmonies from a Pog. Jack has started using octave fuzz for recently, specifically his Bumble Buzz pedal, and the Third Man Records Plasma Pedal both have some octave effects to them, though in very different degrees and styles. His last album, Boarding House Reach has a couple of solos and riffs that use octave fuzz, with Over and Over and Over coming esp. to mind for riffs, or Respect Commander for a solo.
Again, sorry if I went on a bit, but I think this is worth pointing out.
Thank you, super interesting! Useful and valuable clarification - we love it!
When you want to nerd out about gear, this is the place ;)
Jack White demonstrates Seven Nation Army in the documentary “It Might Get Loud”. It’s definitely a Whammy pedal.
TPS where truth still matters :)
@@ThatPedalShow Wow, pretty psyched you guys actually read my comment. Love the videos, and thanks!
what is this?! An octave fuzz episode for ants?! It needs to be at least three times this size!
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I’m so excited! I’ve been waiting for this episode!
Right there with you! I’m on the hunt!
Me too!!!
If I remember correctly the reason the neck pickup is more pronounced around fret 12 is because the string has its maximum amplitude right over the pickup because it's sat equidistant between bridge and fret. There's also less harmonic content there. I may be wrong though, my brain is mush lately.
yeah, the fundamental and octave harmonics are really accentuated there, and the octave circuit works best with just octave and fundamental harmonics. Other harmonics mush it up a bit, which also sounds cool but there isn't so much a pronounced octave.
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One reason 24 fret neck pick ups don’t sound quite right.
Exactly. It's why on some guitars, a natural harmonic on the 5th fret will just disappear when you use the neck pickup. The pickup is placed directly at where the 24th fret would be, which is also where the string is divided in fourths (5th fret, 12th fret, 24th fret). Playing at the 12th fret means the pickup is picking up the node of the string directly an octave above the fretted note.
So if you could have a pickup that moved to be exactly 12 frets above any note you fretted, you could get the octave effect to be nice and pronounced everywhere!
Sounds legit
yeah playing around that fret 11 - 14 area put the first "node" where the string vibrates around to produce a first order harmonic is right over the pickup, so you get lots of that and lots of fundamental
Love the Eric Gales shoutout! I'm from Memphis and first saw him play when he was 16. Several friends have gigged and toured with him over the years.
I hate to contradict, but the FOXX Tone Machine definitely uses diodes for recification and the octave, and separate ones are used for hard clipping. The superfuzz is all transistors for the octave.
Daniel played “Outshined”! My life is complete😊
Blue Box is in “Fool In The Rain”-Led Zep
My first pedal, so awesome. 1994
Who Knows from Band of Gypsy's album is one of Jimi's best octave fuzz moments!😊
Wow ❤️ What a show! 🎛 Thanks so much for the feature guys 💥
You’re so welcome, sounds killer!
@@ThatPedalShow That was a great show! I have a PP Fuzz and love it! Mick said about it cleaning up really well - do you guys have any plans to feature 'great clean up pedals' as i feel it's best feature hasn't been seen...? It's seriously changed the way i play (for the better ha ha!). Great work guys - TPS and PP!
Blue on Black`s solo by Kenny Wayne Shepherd is one of the best examples of an octave fuzz being used very tastefully.
Agree love blue on black
I wonder if that inspired the album that Death released when he left Wyld Stallions - "Pale on Pale"
Do you know what his setup is/was for that song? I wanna know what fuzz he's using: has a fucking killer sound!
@@jacobhartmann1050 it’s an original tychohabre octave pedal, a fulltone of-2 is a currently available clone of it
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Perfect day for my “all you need is fuzz” shirt to arrive in the post!
FINALLY!!!! After what 5 years of asking for it, I finally get the TPS Octave Fuzz episode. You say 45 minutes of octave fuzz is peoples nightmare, well it's my noisey Heaven! (seriously Dan in Drop D on the 3699 is the closest to "home" you guys have got to tones I go for personally...probably why I'm not in any bands)
Interesting things I didn't realise, beside how they worked & how different the shift from Octavio to Superfuzz style is (as different as Fuzz Face is to Big Muff), the Octavio types remind me very much of a ring modulator in how they are so specific. Might be why I don't care for them. But anything Foxx Tone Machine, like the 3699, the old Danelectro French Toast, Diamond F-Octave, or the one I have the MXR LaMachine. Very interesting to find out how the sound that I adore actually works...and how it sounds in the hands of better players for what was (and likely would always be for me) all too brief a time.
Now I ask...when's Octave Fuzz part 2?!
Then you need to try the Prescription Electronics Experience. Trust me. 😏
The octave effect got started independent of fuzz. The Octavia or Octavio has an input driver but is not a fuzz and it was/is normally used driven by a fuzz, as otherwise it tends to gate off sustain. Likewise the Green Ringer. The reason that a more obvious octave up is produced by the higher notes of the guitar is that the higher notes contain less harmonics. The closer the input is to a pure sine wave the clearer the octave effect becomes. This is also why using the neck pickup and rolling down the tone control produces a clearer octave effect, the neck pickup senses more of the fundamental note and the tone filter is removing upper harmonics. The problem with driving the octave effect with a fuzz is that the fuzz is producing square waves rather than pure sine waves. The result of full wave rectifying a square wave is a signal that contains a lot of other harmonics as well as the octave up.
When Dan talks about the Danelectro 3699 I could swear he says the octave up effect is 'done with transistors not diodes'. I'm guessing he meant to say transformer. Danelectro say that the 3699 is the Foxx pedal with a few teaks. The original Foxx Tone Machine uses a transistor phase splitter driving two diodes to produce the reification effect. As Dan says there are two more diodes used for clipping further on in the circuit.
QOTSA - Little Sister solo... so good.
I use a Vox Trike for that one. It does the job.
Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU! I've been waiting for this episode for months, and you did not disappoint! I have been chasing the octave sound on violin (where it works all over the instrument, and the bow solves the sustain issue, and the gating works to reduce feedback), and this show is opening so many doors/possibilities.
Rectification makes sense! Never knew how this worked. And the Jonny Octave, which initially I disliked on its own, finally makes sense when you combine it with other fuzz pushing it. (Maybe that makes sense across the board). Now I understand why Josh Smith uses the "Believe" with fuzzes pushing it too... Versatile for compact rigs. I've got a lot of stacking to try out...
6:51 ...Mick Mick Mick! You are completely In flow ....wonderful phrases....superb
The TC sub 'n up is a great alternative to the pog, that doesn't get enough love. There are toneprints, polyphonic and "vintage" modes that get you in the vein of all of the stuff in this episode when mixed with a tonebender or fuzzface and you can add chorusing, flanging, etc. in the editor program to get into the b3 organ camp.
As always... a great primer on Octave Fuzz. However when you were showing the 3699 Fuzz, I think you missed citing a prime example of that sound... Adrian Belew's "Big Electric Cat." AB used the original FoxxTone Fuzz all over that song, and it's a "melt your face off" tone.
I swear you read my mind, I've been looking at octave fuzzes all morning 😂
I've been begging for this since the first episode I ever watched
Died at the end when the POG got added to all the others playing at once. Lovely moment. Great video guys!
At the risk of blabbering on a bit I'll try make a long story short and guaranteed wont succeed. (And yes this is in an octave fuzz vid😂) Music has been everything for me. Went to uni studied it with no theory knowledge prior, just love for it. Then I started to grow distant with it, I had some big life things go on, some great, some terrible, all changed me. I didn't pick up my guitar for years.. depression is a dick btw. Recently back to being massively inspired. Went and bought a new guitar, an amp and started to re learn! You guys are wicked and have kickstarted that for me. And thanks for the Doyle tip! LOVE!!!!!! Keep making massive vids on everything you guys are legends! Love ya!
The guitar solo on Unknown Mortal Orchestra's song Hunnybee has some of the sweetest octave fuzz Ive ever heard!
Sounded good.
I love fuzz in stoner rock and psychedelic rock. Check out the band Earthless.
Mick, the Gold Top speaks to you man! You smile every time you play it. And sounds KILLER.
I really love it. Such a great guitar. Such an expensive guitar. Oh dear. ;0)
That Pedal Show I feel that! Expensive guitars are my weakness though.
That Dano fuzz started getting into Boss HM-2 territory when Dan was going into Drop D riffage. Nice.
I thought about my Boss HM-2 when I heard that too! Lol!
That was a massive sound
Hats off to Dan for coming up with some interesting little melodic ideas, big fan of his playing, some things just fall out of his guitar sometimes that really lights up the ear.
Wow, thanks so much 🤓🙏
😁😁 That ending was hilarious - nice one on the shout out to Zachary Vex, his stuff is always outstanding!! Oh and I know you did a show with the Bigfoot Octo Puss, another great octave fuzz - so impressed was I, I bought one! Cheers guys KUTGW!!
I have an old ZVex Octane 3. It’s killer.
The Zep track with the blue box was the Fool in the Rain Solo. I love the classic Octavio ones - so cutting, gritty and musical in its imperfection. In general far prefer the cutting to the ultra wooly/bassy side of fuzz with the exception of muffs which I use more for smooth modulated leads rather than sludge
Classic tps, this is my favorite kind of episode, i like when you pick a particular effect type as a topic and dwell on it. Octave fuzz rocks!
Love the Pedal Pawn through the Octahive! Really digging my King Tone Mini Ge (in Zonk mode, slightly under biased) into my Henretta Purple Octopus. Also, just got the 25th anniversary Fuzz Factory...still playing around with the 10,000 different sounds, but there are nature Octave sounds that pop out.
Love how subtly different Fuzz is from one to another. Always inspiring.
I would LOVE for you guys to do an expose episode on prescription electronics.
Jimmy Page used the blue box octave on the album “In Through the Out Door” on the song “Fool in the Rain.
Great show gents. I just added one of those Bigfoot Octo Puss passive pedals to my board and its great, especially with my Pedal Pawn Fuzz going into it. Plus it doesn't take up another power slot.
The Danelectro 3699 is quite impressive and versatile. Thanks gents. Good show.
YES! The episode we were all waiting for!
Nice. I didn't know how different octave fuzz was from octavers.
“And you shall be healed” HAHAHA thanks Mick. Fun episode! The POG has got me wanting an episode full of synth pedals though! Bonus points if Dan pulls out the Ed Strat with the infinite sustain and Mick plays the Jazzmaster. 🙏✨
Loved Dan's explanation of how that Honey Badger pedal works, "they way it works is they put the thang down, flip it and reverse it."
Eric Gales is amazing. Great show guys!
+1 just for Eric Gales shoutout! Such an amazing player/performer and incredible story. Would love to see him on the show eventually.
I recently added the Danelectro 3699 fuzz to my board thinking it would replace my EQD Fuzz Master General and I've ended up having both on the board because they sound so good in their own right. The Fuzz Master General is incredible for neck pickup, upper neck ring mod type tones and it is all over the new album I'm putting together. Awesome show guys!
Great vid as usual. I seem to remember reading that Pedal Pawn fuzz is based on the Square Face Casper Diaz made for SRV.
After playing for 25 years, I finally understand octave fuzz and have learned to love it. The songs that helped me fall in love with it are Parchman Farm and Evil by a lesser known 70's band known as Cactus. They were such a fantastic rock band that should have been bigger in my opinion.
45 mins of fuzz sounds like what the country needs right now man. Bravo
Always liked Joey's story about his octave fuzz ... 'Is it broken' ....'It must be broken'.... 'I'm returning this'. I dont use it, watched to learn, great episode.
Fuzz is never enough, 45 minutes will fly by. 😁😁😁
60secs is all I can tolerate so 45? Not a chance in Hades.
@@mxh5647 😁😁😁
Something I would find very interesting would be a mic pre/analog channel strip test. I've tried to get classic guitar tones - Ritchie Blackmore's Machine Head era, classic Status tones etc. I believe the mic pres and channel strips made a huge impact on the tone back in the day. Nowadays the mic pres are super clean and transparant, but that wasn't the case 40-50 years ago. Have a great weekend!
Yep, no arguments here... and then of course all the subsequent EQ and compression/limiting/mattering etc. It ended up (and continues to end up) a far cry from what’s coming out of the speaker.... super interesting topic! Edit, mastering. Sorry!
That Pedal Show Exactly. I found the isolated guitar track from Highway Star by Deep Purple. Strat->some sort of boost->AC30. The sound is huge! But it doesn’t sound like that setup. The bottom end is massive but there’s still a clear top end.
Red Beard missed a huge opportunity and should have called it "Honey Badger Don't Give A Fuzz" and I will comment this every time I see thiat pedal.
Put that on a new TPS T-shirt!
Whole Stoner Rock genre needs to be mentioned here. Some Fu Manchu riffs should be there when the Super Fuzz is on :D
Can't go wrong with a fuzz show. Great one! With all the talk about ZVEX maybe a show with contemporary fuzz pedals would be an interesting one.
Thank you for recommending Eric Gales. I didn't know who he was until I saw this episode. Robert Randolph blow my mind playing Vodoo Chile on Crossroads 2007. Can't get enough.
Is there a TPS Drinking Game yet? Can we take a drink when Dan plays two bars of Outshined?
Noob level - every time they collapse giggling
Casual level - every time someone says interesting
Weekend warrior level - when the horn honks
Custom shop re-issue level - for the entire length of a tangent
W/d/w dual tomato dumble level - from waking up
everytime dan say “t shaped object”
everytime mic suddedly changes key mid-noodle
everytime either of them say “clipping”
everytime either of them mispronounce the word impedance, intentionally or not 😂
Well timed! I bought an MXR Blue Box on Reverb and it should arrived today!
Hi Guys, love the show, as always. Two TPS hoodies arrived on Wednesday, so my winter wardrobe is complete, and I'll be looking cool whilst keeping warm. Thanks to Katherine and the whole gang, and fuzz on!
Hooray! Thank you for buying them!
We often incorrectly attribute Muff style fuzzes when thinking of Dan Auerbach of The Black Keys. Dan switched over to Companion / super fuzz types octave fuzzes ever since the Brothers album. Dan Auerbach is the master of tastefully using octave fuzz for a more musical flow IMO. Check out their latest album for some rad octave fuzz tones.
Dan Auerbach's tones is what got me into fuzzes. He also used them on earlier albums. Ibanez Standard Fuzz
@@Onetinsoldier Awesome! Ya that Ibanez fuzz is basically a Super Fuzz from what I hear.
@@jeremiahMc11 Yeah it is. JD Simo's new album has a lot of songs with superfuzz. Sounds mega :D
Great show! The Myriad Fuzz seems to bring out that octave sound sometimes. I absolutely love it!
That POG effect on the fuzzes at the very end was awesome.
I really like the colour correction you’ve done for your videos. I’m assuming it’s been colour corrected anyway. Looks and feels pleasing and natural.
Thanks Aaron. Yes, we shoot in Sony S Log 3 and grade from there. Always work to do, but it’s a constant process of learning. :0)
We’ve also switched out one of the cameras. The closer camera is now a full-frame type (Super 35 before) and in the next few weeks both cams will be full frame. Just looks better to me. Mick here. Lenses are crucial of course, but that notwithstanding....
That Pedal Show I was going to add, the close up shots, especially of Dan (prob the colours in his shirt), sure looked great. Anyway, back to octave pedals...
Love the argonaut I have one. It's not a pedal it's an instrument. And the boost alone is awesome 👌💥
"Propeller" by Paul Gilbert is what comes to mind for me as a stellar example
I can recommend Joe Gore's Screech: the strongest, purest octave ever. It sounds like a soprano and it has the octave on all pickup and all over the neck.
Guys, you don't know your audience well enough if you think we can tire of listening to fuzz. Keep up the beautiful tones.
Thank you Darrell, that is tremendously edifying. It’s seems that fuzz and Octafuzz especially are as polarising as a certain nation’s current presidential election!
So excited for this video, but Chicago Iron owns the objective king of these things and no mention by our pedal board professors. Damn, boys. You can’t show every pedal, but you left out Zeus. I do like some of these alternatives, however. Octa-fuzz forever!
I love the following for the Octavian sounds:
Blue on black -kenny Wayne Shepherd
Belief - John Mayer
Fool in the rain - Led zeppelin
I’m bad, I’m nationwide - ZZ Top
Bad penny - Rorry Gallagher
LED boots- Jeff Beck
Scumbag blues- them crooked vultures
Come on over - kenny Wayne Shepherd
And of course, Jimi’s: one rainy wish, purple haze, we gotta live together, fire, machine fun, little miss lover, little wing, and who knows.
Also, Lance Keltner’s demo of the Nik Huber Krautster has to be the best Octa-fuzz tone, ever. Do yourself a favor and search youtube for it, but wear a diaper as you’ll crap your shorts, for sure.
This is fun!
Mick: 45 minutes of Octave Fuzz is enough to push anyone over the edge.
Episode Length: 46:06
My first octave fuzz, and only one ‘til recently, was a Prescription Electronics Experience. It’s basically a Foxx Tone Machine clone with a Swell option that takes you into bizarro territory. Lotsa fun! I think it preceded the COB. I’ve added a Supreme to the mix now, also much fun.
I love that Supreme! I'm sure Mick's right about sitting in the mix, but in isolation it sounds great.
Oh damn, this could've been the episode with the mxr blue box smoothly sneaked in. Bad timing. And after watching the episode until the end... You actually bought it as well Dan! Me too! What a weird coincidence with the videos etc.
Hi. Thanks for the recommendation on that Eric Gale's album! Listing to it now!
Oh man. I've been wanting to try an octave fuzz for a long time now but haven't had the guts to pull the trigger on one. Never knew how to use one with my rig. This should help.
Well shit. Guess I'm ordering an Argo.
Hey brother Mick, I've got no idea if this is true or not, but I was once told that the reason you get so much extra harmonic content when you play a Strat on the neck pickup + around the 12th fret is that, purely by chance, a Strat neck pickup is almost exactly where the 24th fret would be if the neck extended that far. I suppose this is empirically measurable, if one knows the proper ratio for fret distancing; off the top of my head, it does make sense that you'd be getting a lot of 2nd-order harmonics there.
Lots of cool effects! One unique pedal to add to this mix is the Foxrox Octron. All analog octave above and below with full mix control of both and dry signal.
Fascinating show, as I just got the warm audio foxy tone box a great octave fuzz
Only made it 11 minutes in and now I'm listening to the Relentless album. I'll be back for the rest later, thanks
Fuzz addict here! Loved this episode. Dan, can you explain the relationship (if there is one) between octave fuzz and ring modulation? I hear those other “ghost” notes that seem to appear serendipitously with certain pedals and volume knob manipulations on some guitars. Come to think of it, why not do a show on ring modulation? Keep up the great work! Cheers!
Its wen you do overtone it it go ring
Same like wah
I stop it once i stop the time the amp and the octave fuzz with wah wah
Then i got my hamony and reverb
My ghost ring where vibrato and flange
Can you PLEASE use the pedal pawn fuzz some more in another show! Please and thank you! Great job you guys, best show on the TH-cams
...and they had a horrific headache a week after.
And there was much joy. Fuzzy joy.
Awesome show guys! You say fuzz and I'm in. Love that you cover a variety of octave fuzz tones. Love the crazy stuff, but that Argo is just so smooth and musical- I could see playing that one often and not just as the occasional "effect" - totally sweet.
Little more on the obscure alternative side, but Howe Gelb used a lot of octavia style fuzz in the early Giant Sand records for screwy noise tones, and then Rowland S. Howard inspired me to get a Blue Box. The stories surrounding the feedback on the song The Friend Catcher (The Birthday Party) are worth a read.
Great episode fellas. I just got a Suhr Rufus Reloaded. Great pedal allows you to switch the octave effect on or off by holding the switch down for a second. like having 2 pedals in one.
The Argo from Mythos Pedals is AMAZING!!! Could not resist to buy it... sounds beyond my expectations.
Since it wasn't really mentioned in the episode, the Pedal Pawn Fuzz is supposed to be the silicon Diaz Texas Square Face thing, Cesar Diaz' Fuzz Face mod for SRV. Homestead Amps, who carry on the Diaz brand in a sense, make a Germanium version called the Preacher. 🤟
MetalThrashingMatt I hope pedal pawn get a stand alone play soon. Their fuzz and Texas twang are incredible - especially on the clean up
I have an old Square Face built by Cesar Diaz. It’s killer.
@@edphaze6550 I'm jealous. I'd love to track one down someday.
Seeing as you were demoing octaves as well as octave fuzzes, I'm surprised you didn't get yer hands on the new Boss box. Any chance of putting it through its paces in a later episode?
Unrelated:
But is that. Rev D or G 20 I spy in the back? Episode on it and related materials?
It's a G20
I see that aswell, the price is the only reason why i don't have a G20 yet but i have the G3 pedal and i like it, would also like to hear a TPS-opinion about Revv amps.
Hey Mick, off topic I got that book you recommend 'IKIGAI'. Great shout. Also I have a Monterey by keeley and the octave fuzz is wonderful. All the best. Pete.
Thanks Pete, glad you like the book. If you do, continue to The Power Of Now by Eckhart Tolle. It’s a harder read, but maaaaaaan. Totally. Changed. My. Life. Cheers!
@@ThatPedalShow thanks Mick, will do. Take care. Pete
Still no keeley Monterey!? Will I ever know what Dan and Mick think of the Monterey!?
I just got one and sent it back, my first Keeley and I was very disappointed, if the fuzz wasn't broken, it sounded like kaka!
Good point.
Lou's House It’s been a pedal that has been difficult. Besides that it was a gift from someone very close. I regret that I didn’t return it to Sweetwater. Now, I have to make it work. I’m not angry. I listened to demos and based upon them I bought it. It looks great 👍🏼
@@NJSonye dude I totally understand, I did the same thing with TH-cam demos and I thought the thing sounded Killer, maybe I did just get a funky one, but I thought the fuzz was just horrible maybe it was malfunctioning, very sputtery until you turned it up high the fuzz and then it was just way too bright I couldn't even use it. But I totally understand very similar story to yours. It is a beautiful pedal though!
Lou's House I love mine and I have to admit I use the rotary and vibe a lot more than the fuzz. But the guy I got mine off also said he thought the fuzz was terrible but I like it a lot. And ImO even the octafuzz is great. At least as good as any of these in this episode. Fuzz is one of those very subjective tones though
"Fool in the Rain?" The Zep song with the blue box solo...? Maybe
Correct
Also. .
Purdie Shuffle!
Thanks guys. I'm now starting a Blackadder marathon. You gave me a cunning plan.
Hearing Dan playing Outshined has made my week!
Fulltone Ultimate Octave and Roger Mayer Octave pedals are less spitty and much more versatile due to gain on and off functions and tone knobs and fuzz or octave on/off options. Own them both and absolutely love em.
Love ya work guys.. Paul..Victoria Downunder.🤘👍🎸
Can't believe how quickly Mick answered/moved on from the question about where the '61 Strat had gone! Probably a sad departure, and I'd had my suspicions after the last several episodes without it. Although the '61 will be missed, Blue is sounding spectacular! Cheers!
Mick said it was “at home”. That can be taken two different ways 😉
@@edphaze6550 ahh fair play. First watch-thru I thought I heard him say "I sent it home" :)
Thank you for this one-I just picked up the Solidgoldfx 76 Plus... wonderful. If you have not tried it-definitely recommend.
Never a big fan of octave fuzz until you guys hit that 3699. Suddenly I saw a future where my Bass VI was destroying a great many combo amps. Shake, rattle, and roll.
34:05 Jimmy used the Blue Box for the solo on Fool in the Rain
If you roll off top end (tone control) , the octave pops out more, it's less hidden by harmonics. If you build you own (highly recommended adventure), you can build in a low pass filter, so you don't need to roll off the tone every time.
Jonathan Pentreath +1 have done this
Hi guys, I just got a D&M drive, and schwanging never felt so good!!! If only there was a D&M fuzz...
Oooooooh, interesting.
Absolutely a ginormous idea!! You so need to do it!!
Just make sure it is as tasty as the Pigdog London fuzzes. Do not go mildly on Fuzz pedals, i hope Dan makes a beast fuzz for rhythm and lead explosions. Go all the Fuzz way or dont even build another pale pedal.
I second the motion. Matter of fact a full line of D&M pedals would be sweet. Fuzz, delay/reverb, modulation...
108 fuzz face on one side and some kind of tone bender variant on the other.....
Cool episode. You should check out the earthquaker bit commander - despite the name, it's basically a square wave fuzz with an octavia circuit (for the octave up) and both -1 and -2 octave control - all analog. It's crazy versatile and become one of my pedalboard staples!
Kenny Wayne Shepherd used an octave fuzz for the solo(s) in “Blue on Black.” Happens to be my favorite. 😎
I like the new Danelectro pedals. At first I assumed they were simply more of their super cheap line, but they're more high end, and wasI very pleasantly surprised! The Roebuck is a really great fuzz! And this octave one is cool too!
An interesting variety; surprised by the differences.
Where does the Roger Mayer Octavia fit in this bunch?
Completely different?
Or most similar to which pedal in this video?