Awesome Octave Fuzz For Guitar - That Pedal Show
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- We discuss and demo the main flavours of octave fuzz guitar tones… and some other octaves too.
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It had to happen eventually. Dan and I are both big fans of the octave fuzz sound, but it is a greatly varied thing and can be quite the challenge to add confidently to your rig.
With the help of a superb crop of modern pedals we howl and screech our way through the tones that might inspire you to give it a go. It’s aural honey for some of us, and worse than fingernails down the blackboard for many others.
It’s not only about Jimi… but boy is he a big part of this sound.
Enjoy the episode!
Pedals & stuff in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• ZVEX Jonny Octave
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• Beetronics OctaHive
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• Mythos Argo
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• Danelectro 3699
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• JHS Supreme
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• Electro-Harmonix Pog 2
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• Pedal Pawn Fuzz
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• Redbeard Effects Honey Badger
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• Catalinbread Topanga
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• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 0:00
- What are we doing today?: 01:13
- Where can you hear octave fuzz?: 02:10
- Three different flavours?: 03:25
- Beetronics Octahive: 05:20
- Pedal Pawn Fuzz & Octahive: 11:48
- Z Vex Jonny Octave: 13:35
- Mythos Argo: 16:15
- Humbuckers?: 21:10
- Danelectro 3699 Fuzz: 22:18
- JHS Supreme: 27:25
- Octave down? Redbeard Honey Badger: 30:45
- What about the EHX POG? 36:00
- Your favourite?: 41:35
- All on?!: 44:59
Guitars in this episode:
• 1965 Fender Telecaster - no video yet
• PRS McCarty Soapbar - Mick’s video at bit.ly/30fmsdN
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
• Gibson Custom True Historic ’57 Les Paul Goldtop, Murphy Aged
Amps in this episode
• Marshall 1987x with 1960AX cab / Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
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• 1961 Vox AC30 with Celestion Alnico Blue speakers - link to latest version
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They mentioned Jack White in the intro, and at risk of being a nerd about it, I think some stuff is worth clarifying. Jack didn't use an octave fuzz on Seven Nation Army. That was a Digi-tech Whammy pedal bumping his signal down a full octave for the verse, and simply a Big Muff for the chorus/solo. The majority of the White Stripe stuff did not use octave fuzz as such, but a combination of a Big Muff and the Whammy in various configurations, with a few songs getting harmonies from a Pog. Jack has started using octave fuzz for recently, specifically his Bumble Buzz pedal, and the Third Man Records Plasma Pedal both have some octave effects to them, though in very different degrees and styles. His last album, Boarding House Reach has a couple of solos and riffs that use octave fuzz, with Over and Over and Over coming esp. to mind for riffs, or Respect Commander for a solo.
Again, sorry if I went on a bit, but I think this is worth pointing out.
Thank you, super interesting! Useful and valuable clarification - we love it!
When you want to nerd out about gear, this is the place ;)
Jack White demonstrates Seven Nation Army in the documentary “It Might Get Loud”. It’s definitely a Whammy pedal.
TPS where truth still matters :)
@@ThatPedalShow Wow, pretty psyched you guys actually read my comment. Love the videos, and thanks!
what is this?! An octave fuzz episode for ants?! It needs to be at least three times this size!
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He's absolutely right....
If I remember correctly the reason the neck pickup is more pronounced around fret 12 is because the string has its maximum amplitude right over the pickup because it's sat equidistant between bridge and fret. There's also less harmonic content there. I may be wrong though, my brain is mush lately.
yeah, the fundamental and octave harmonics are really accentuated there, and the octave circuit works best with just octave and fundamental harmonics. Other harmonics mush it up a bit, which also sounds cool but there isn't so much a pronounced octave.
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One reason 24 fret neck pick ups don’t sound quite right.
Exactly. It's why on some guitars, a natural harmonic on the 5th fret will just disappear when you use the neck pickup. The pickup is placed directly at where the 24th fret would be, which is also where the string is divided in fourths (5th fret, 12th fret, 24th fret). Playing at the 12th fret means the pickup is picking up the node of the string directly an octave above the fretted note.
So if you could have a pickup that moved to be exactly 12 frets above any note you fretted, you could get the octave effect to be nice and pronounced everywhere!
Sounds legit
yeah playing around that fret 11 - 14 area put the first "node" where the string vibrates around to produce a first order harmonic is right over the pickup, so you get lots of that and lots of fundamental
I’m so excited! I’ve been waiting for this episode!
Right there with you! I’m on the hunt!
Me too!!!
Blue Box is in “Fool In The Rain”-Led Zep
My first pedal, so awesome. 1994
Who Knows from Band of Gypsy's album is one of Jimi's best octave fuzz moments!😊
Blue on Black`s solo by Kenny Wayne Shepherd is one of the best examples of an octave fuzz being used very tastefully.
Agree love blue on black
I wonder if that inspired the album that Death released when he left Wyld Stallions - "Pale on Pale"
Do you know what his setup is/was for that song? I wanna know what fuzz he's using: has a fucking killer sound!
@@jacobhartmann1050 it’s an original tychohabre octave pedal, a fulltone of-2 is a currently available clone of it
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Love the Eric Gales shoutout! I'm from Memphis and first saw him play when he was 16. Several friends have gigged and toured with him over the years.
Daniel played “Outshined”! My life is complete😊
Died at the end when the POG got added to all the others playing at once. Lovely moment. Great video guys!
Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU! I've been waiting for this episode for months, and you did not disappoint! I have been chasing the octave sound on violin (where it works all over the instrument, and the bow solves the sustain issue, and the gating works to reduce feedback), and this show is opening so many doors/possibilities.
Rectification makes sense! Never knew how this worked. And the Jonny Octave, which initially I disliked on its own, finally makes sense when you combine it with other fuzz pushing it. (Maybe that makes sense across the board). Now I understand why Josh Smith uses the "Believe" with fuzzes pushing it too... Versatile for compact rigs. I've got a lot of stacking to try out...
YES! The episode we were all waiting for!
I hate to contradict, but the FOXX Tone Machine definitely uses diodes for recification and the octave, and separate ones are used for hard clipping. The superfuzz is all transistors for the octave.
The TC sub 'n up is a great alternative to the pog, that doesn't get enough love. There are toneprints, polyphonic and "vintage" modes that get you in the vein of all of the stuff in this episode when mixed with a tonebender or fuzzface and you can add chorusing, flanging, etc. in the editor program to get into the b3 organ camp.
Love the Pedal Pawn through the Octahive! Really digging my King Tone Mini Ge (in Zonk mode, slightly under biased) into my Henretta Purple Octopus. Also, just got the 25th anniversary Fuzz Factory...still playing around with the 10,000 different sounds, but there are nature Octave sounds that pop out.
Love how subtly different Fuzz is from one to another. Always inspiring.
Is there a TPS Drinking Game yet? Can we take a drink when Dan plays two bars of Outshined?
Noob level - every time they collapse giggling
Casual level - every time someone says interesting
Weekend warrior level - when the horn honks
Custom shop re-issue level - for the entire length of a tangent
W/d/w dual tomato dumble level - from waking up
Classic tps, this is my favorite kind of episode, i like when you pick a particular effect type as a topic and dwell on it. Octave fuzz rocks!
The octave effect got started independent of fuzz. The Octavia or Octavio has an input driver but is not a fuzz and it was/is normally used driven by a fuzz, as otherwise it tends to gate off sustain. Likewise the Green Ringer. The reason that a more obvious octave up is produced by the higher notes of the guitar is that the higher notes contain less harmonics. The closer the input is to a pure sine wave the clearer the octave effect becomes. This is also why using the neck pickup and rolling down the tone control produces a clearer octave effect, the neck pickup senses more of the fundamental note and the tone filter is removing upper harmonics. The problem with driving the octave effect with a fuzz is that the fuzz is producing square waves rather than pure sine waves. The result of full wave rectifying a square wave is a signal that contains a lot of other harmonics as well as the octave up.
When Dan talks about the Danelectro 3699 I could swear he says the octave up effect is 'done with transistors not diodes'. I'm guessing he meant to say transformer. Danelectro say that the 3699 is the Foxx pedal with a few teaks. The original Foxx Tone Machine uses a transistor phase splitter driving two diodes to produce the reification effect. As Dan says there are two more diodes used for clipping further on in the circuit.
Awesome show guys! You say fuzz and I'm in. Love that you cover a variety of octave fuzz tones. Love the crazy stuff, but that Argo is just so smooth and musical- I could see playing that one often and not just as the occasional "effect" - totally sweet.
Love the octave down fuzz-the honey badger sounded great. Great job guys!
Love it!!! You guys always make my day.
Perfect day for my “all you need is fuzz” shirt to arrive in the post!
The Zep track with the blue box was the Fool in the Rain Solo. I love the classic Octavio ones - so cutting, gritty and musical in its imperfection. In general far prefer the cutting to the ultra wooly/bassy side of fuzz with the exception of muffs which I use more for smooth modulated leads rather than sludge
QOTSA - Little Sister solo... so good.
I use a Vox Trike for that one. It does the job.
I've been begging for this since the first episode I ever watched
Great show gents. I just added one of those Bigfoot Octo Puss passive pedals to my board and its great, especially with my Pedal Pawn Fuzz going into it. Plus it doesn't take up another power slot.
FINALLY!!!! After what 5 years of asking for it, I finally get the TPS Octave Fuzz episode. You say 45 minutes of octave fuzz is peoples nightmare, well it's my noisey Heaven! (seriously Dan in Drop D on the 3699 is the closest to "home" you guys have got to tones I go for personally...probably why I'm not in any bands)
Interesting things I didn't realise, beside how they worked & how different the shift from Octavio to Superfuzz style is (as different as Fuzz Face is to Big Muff), the Octavio types remind me very much of a ring modulator in how they are so specific. Might be why I don't care for them. But anything Foxx Tone Machine, like the 3699, the old Danelectro French Toast, Diamond F-Octave, or the one I have the MXR LaMachine. Very interesting to find out how the sound that I adore actually works...and how it sounds in the hands of better players for what was (and likely would always be for me) all too brief a time.
Now I ask...when's Octave Fuzz part 2?!
Then you need to try the Prescription Electronics Experience. Trust me. 😏
“And you shall be healed” HAHAHA thanks Mick. Fun episode! The POG has got me wanting an episode full of synth pedals though! Bonus points if Dan pulls out the Ed Strat with the infinite sustain and Mick plays the Jazzmaster. 🙏✨
Fuzz is never enough, 45 minutes will fly by. 😁😁😁
60secs is all I can tolerate so 45? Not a chance in Hades.
@@mxh5647 😁😁😁
Great show! The Myriad Fuzz seems to bring out that octave sound sometimes. I absolutely love it!
I recently added the Danelectro 3699 fuzz to my board thinking it would replace my EQD Fuzz Master General and I've ended up having both on the board because they sound so good in their own right. The Fuzz Master General is incredible for neck pickup, upper neck ring mod type tones and it is all over the new album I'm putting together. Awesome show guys!
Red Beard missed a huge opportunity and should have called it "Honey Badger Don't Give A Fuzz" and I will comment this every time I see thiat pedal.
Put that on a new TPS T-shirt!
Octafuzz is my favourite effect. Thanks for doing this episode, cheers!
I swear you read my mind, I've been looking at octave fuzzes all morning 😂
Can't go wrong with a fuzz show. Great one! With all the talk about ZVEX maybe a show with contemporary fuzz pedals would be an interesting one.
Hats off to Dan for coming up with some interesting little melodic ideas, big fan of his playing, some things just fall out of his guitar sometimes that really lights up the ear.
Wow, thanks so much 🤓🙏
Well timed! I bought an MXR Blue Box on Reverb and it should arrived today!
+1 just for Eric Gales shoutout! Such an amazing player/performer and incredible story. Would love to see him on the show eventually.
The Danelectro 3699 is quite impressive and versatile. Thanks gents. Good show.
Jimmy Page used the blue box octave on the album “In Through the Out Door” on the song “Fool in the Rain.
Very nice as usual. Top
After playing for 25 years, I finally understand octave fuzz and have learned to love it. The songs that helped me fall in love with it are Parchman Farm and Evil by a lesser known 70's band known as Cactus. They were such a fantastic rock band that should have been bigger in my opinion.
Love the argonaut I have one. It's not a pedal it's an instrument. And the boost alone is awesome 👌💥
The guitar solo on Unknown Mortal Orchestra's song Hunnybee has some of the sweetest octave fuzz Ive ever heard!
Sounded good.
I love fuzz in stoner rock and psychedelic rock. Check out the band Earthless.
That POG effect on the fuzzes at the very end was awesome.
😁😁 That ending was hilarious - nice one on the shout out to Zachary Vex, his stuff is always outstanding!! Oh and I know you did a show with the Bigfoot Octo Puss, another great octave fuzz - so impressed was I, I bought one! Cheers guys KUTGW!!
I have an old ZVex Octane 3. It’s killer.
Glorious sound!
Whole Stoner Rock genre needs to be mentioned here. Some Fu Manchu riffs should be there when the Super Fuzz is on :D
Hi Guys, love the show, as always. Two TPS hoodies arrived on Wednesday, so my winter wardrobe is complete, and I'll be looking cool whilst keeping warm. Thanks to Katherine and the whole gang, and fuzz on!
Hooray! Thank you for buying them!
Thanks guys. I'm now starting a Blackadder marathon. You gave me a cunning plan.
Mick, the Gold Top speaks to you man! You smile every time you play it. And sounds KILLER.
I really love it. Such a great guitar. Such an expensive guitar. Oh dear. ;0)
That Pedal Show I feel that! Expensive guitars are my weakness though.
Great episode fellas. I just got a Suhr Rufus Reloaded. Great pedal allows you to switch the octave effect on or off by holding the switch down for a second. like having 2 pedals in one.
I like the new Danelectro pedals. At first I assumed they were simply more of their super cheap line, but they're more high end, and wasI very pleasantly surprised! The Roebuck is a really great fuzz! And this octave one is cool too!
Eric Gales is amazing. Great show guys!
Fascinating show, as I just got the warm audio foxy tone box a great octave fuzz
I love that Supreme! I'm sure Mick's right about sitting in the mix, but in isolation it sounds great.
Great video! I Love Octave/Fuzz. For the longest time those duties have been performed by my trusty Fulltone Ultimate Octave.
I would LOVE for you guys to do an expose episode on prescription electronics.
6:51 ...Mick Mick Mick! You are completely In flow ....wonderful phrases....superb
Great vid gents! Love me some octave fuzz. My weapon of choice is the Ibanez Standard Fuzz but I'm thinking I need the Argo after watching this.
"Propeller" by Paul Gilbert is what comes to mind for me as a stellar example
Awesome episode! I even rewatched it today just for fun. Octave fuzz is such a quirky and responsive effect and can range from beautifully musical to complete mayhem. I know you can only cover so many pedals in an episode, but I will admit that I was a bit disappointed that Tripps' Purple Platypus didn't receive any love.
Great vid as usual. I seem to remember reading that Pedal Pawn fuzz is based on the Square Face Casper Diaz made for SRV.
The Argo from Mythos Pedals is AMAZING!!! Could not resist to buy it... sounds beyond my expectations.
...and they had a horrific headache a week after.
And there was much joy. Fuzzy joy.
My first octave fuzz, and only one ‘til recently, was a Prescription Electronics Experience. It’s basically a Foxx Tone Machine clone with a Swell option that takes you into bizarro territory. Lotsa fun! I think it preceded the COB. I’ve added a Supreme to the mix now, also much fun.
As always... a great primer on Octave Fuzz. However when you were showing the 3699 Fuzz, I think you missed citing a prime example of that sound... Adrian Belew's "Big Electric Cat." AB used the original FoxxTone Fuzz all over that song, and it's a "melt your face off" tone.
Loved Dan's explanation of how that Honey Badger pedal works, "they way it works is they put the thang down, flip it and reverse it."
At the risk of blabbering on a bit I'll try make a long story short and guaranteed wont succeed. (And yes this is in an octave fuzz vid😂) Music has been everything for me. Went to uni studied it with no theory knowledge prior, just love for it. Then I started to grow distant with it, I had some big life things go on, some great, some terrible, all changed me. I didn't pick up my guitar for years.. depression is a dick btw. Recently back to being massively inspired. Went and bought a new guitar, an amp and started to re learn! You guys are wicked and have kickstarted that for me. And thanks for the Doyle tip! LOVE!!!!!! Keep making massive vids on everything you guys are legends! Love ya!
Fulltone Ultimate Octave and Roger Mayer Octave pedals are less spitty and much more versatile due to gain on and off functions and tone knobs and fuzz or octave on/off options. Own them both and absolutely love em.
Love ya work guys.. Paul..Victoria Downunder.🤘👍🎸
Hearing Dan playing Outshined has made my week!
I once tried to live without octave fuzz. I didn’t.
“I don’t, live today! Maybe tomorrow, I just can’t say!”- Jimi Hendrix
Picked up a passive Bigfoot Octo Puss a few weeks back. Love it. Had to edit my board to deal with a buffer up front (courtesy of the Three2One) but it's workable. Really need to try it out with the band though!
Mick needs to listen to some Electric Wizard for some crushing octave fuzz riffs!
I recently bought the Honey Badger and I gotta say it's honestly one of my favourite purchases, in a while. (And I purchase more pedals than I should!) Such a sick pedal!
Only made it 11 minutes in and now I'm listening to the Relentless album. I'll be back for the rest later, thanks
Lots of cool effects! One unique pedal to add to this mix is the Foxrox Octron. All analog octave above and below with full mix control of both and dry signal.
Oh damn, this could've been the episode with the mxr blue box smoothly sneaked in. Bad timing. And after watching the episode until the end... You actually bought it as well Dan! Me too! What a weird coincidence with the videos etc.
Hi. Thanks for the recommendation on that Eric Gale's album! Listing to it now!
Can you PLEASE use the pedal pawn fuzz some more in another show! Please and thank you! Great job you guys, best show on the TH-cams
Madness - ending is a must watch!
Little more on the obscure alternative side, but Howe Gelb used a lot of octavia style fuzz in the early Giant Sand records for screwy noise tones, and then Rowland S. Howard inspired me to get a Blue Box. The stories surrounding the feedback on the song The Friend Catcher (The Birthday Party) are worth a read.
While we are talking about octave, I'm very interested in the Foxrox Octron 3. I saw Mark Lettieri demonstrating it in a video and I loved it, particularly the octave down. Any thoughts?
Always liked Joey's story about his octave fuzz ... 'Is it broken' ....'It must be broken'.... 'I'm returning this'. I dont use it, watched to learn, great episode.
The all on playout was epic!
The Supreme sounded killer! I think the 3699 took the show! + the POG is great. I use a pitchfork into a Big Muff deluxe and it's baddass!
Great episode though I wish it could have been longer as well. I've found I really love the sound of the Super Fuzz type, but that Mythos Argo is magnificent. I have a Z Vex Fuzz Factory and there are octave fuzz tones in there, if you can find them and the temperature is reasonably stable. I have an Earthquaker Pitch Bay (now discontinued) which is a bit POG-like and a bit Whammy-like though definitely it's own thing. I set it to blend a 5th up, an octave down, and the root, and put a fuzz or distortion before it - pretty great sound. Thanks, guys!
Love the sound of that octa hive. I've been looking at some beetronics pedals, and now I'm curious how it would sound with a totally gunned Fat Bee in front of it.
LOL! You should have seen the look on my cat's face when you hit the first chord with the 3699 on the play out.
Thank you for this one-I just picked up the Solidgoldfx 76 Plus... wonderful. If you have not tried it-definitely recommend.
45 mins of fuzz sounds like what the country needs right now man. Bravo
I can recommend Joe Gore's Screech: the strongest, purest octave ever. It sounds like a soprano and it has the octave on all pickup and all over the neck.
Love my 3699. Super versatile! Highly recommend it.
Wow ❤️ What a show! 🎛 Thanks so much for the feature guys 💥
You’re so welcome, sounds killer!
@@ThatPedalShow That was a great show! I have a PP Fuzz and love it! Mick said about it cleaning up really well - do you guys have any plans to feature 'great clean up pedals' as i feel it's best feature hasn't been seen...? It's seriously changed the way i play (for the better ha ha!). Great work guys - TPS and PP!
Hi guys! Great show! Little question: do you guys use the regular fuzz first when combining a fuzz + octave fuzz or the other way around?
Thank you so much for an ideal episode. Excellent educational science and engineering training coupled with live results. I love the learning and every sound makes my teeth ache so I learned and spent nothing. Perfecto!
Dan's tele sounding absolutely mega in this episode!
My main fuzz is an older big box Fulltone Octafuzz. Great octave fuzz and with the octave off, it's like the best germanium fuzz face I've owned. Mostly use it off. I've got a HOG2 that just sits on the shelf waiting for me to record something. It knows it will be needed.
The ENDING though... I cannot stop laughing... Brilliant.
Kenny Wayne Shepherd used an octave fuzz for the solo(s) in “Blue on Black.” Happens to be my favorite. 😎