In 1800 Italian Physicist Alessandro Volta developed the voltaic pile, a forerunner of the electric battery. The first pile consisted of a number of discs of zinc and silver separated by pieces of wet paper and arranged in a vertical column. This was the first device to produce a steady stream of electricity (direct current) and could operate for decades.
In Volta' s device the paper was used as an electrode separator/insulator and not a MEG. The dissimilar metals caused his battery to work by galvanic action.
@@William_Hada Interesting information abouta voltaic cell not being a MEG, I dont think it was mentioned. A galvanic (voltaic) cell uses the energy released during a spontaneous redox reaction to generate electricity. The oxidation half-reaction occurs at one electrode (the anode), and the reduction half-reaction occurs at the other (the cathode). Wet paper (cellulose) lasting for decades producing usable voltage sealed inside a wax coated voltaic pile has always been an interesting anecdote to me.
@@William_Hada Volta's battery was known as the voltaic pile or the voltaic column. It consisted of alternating disks of zinc and silver (or copper and pewter) separated by paper or cloth. The paper of cloth was soaked in either salt water or sodium hydroxide.
I stumbled upon this behavior when I was playing around with TENG and measuring the results with my multimeter. I think this video of yours is a re-upload but it has reignited my interest in moisture based generator. Thanks Mr.Smith 🙂
Yes, he said that the paper was around one year old, and it came out in 2020, or something. So, it is a year old, or so, even though I don't remember seeing it, and I watch ALL of his videos.
Eye-opener! Much of the chemistry went over my head but wallpaper that can actually light a room!? 🤯 As a curious layperson I really am learning a lot from your tinkering, so thank you kindly!
This is really cool! A couple possible applications. 1. Using a paper filter to power Humidity Censors in HVAC systems. 2. Power generating shades (the sun would dehumidify one side and people's breath would recharge. 3. Lighting in Tents where Moisture is already a major problem as well as a need for mobile power. 4. Remote Flooding Sensors 5. Attic fans in humid areas. Even if it's not able to run everything, being able to reduce loads would be worthwhile, especially in remote areas and for essential circuits. Something that's often overlooked is how much moisture is in combustion products. Full combustion of most hydrocarbons is CO2+H2O. It might be a non-heat method if scavenging power from combustion plants.
While listening to your explanation, I imagined a water wheel rotating in and out of a stream, not only producing energy from the rotation, but also due to oscillating the relative moisture concentrations of these devices on the paddles. If it is as described, it would seem that putting a current in the correct direction could create a dehumidifier. Through its cycle, the paddle would create a charge in one direction while it absorbs water from the stream to the bounded side, and then later create a charge in the opposite direction while it emits water from the bounded side to the air.
The piling up of ideas on how to apply physics to generate power really inspires me. Now, I don't want a handful of companies to control access to power, so I think of how to incorporate these principles into products, that are used everywhere and could make every house self sufficient with power. With these principles, we might all start to appreciate a wet house foundation or even moisture diffusing building materials like the really old ones. Bricks set in clay/sand/lime like in the old days might suddenly prove really valuable in making your house self-powering, making the old, damp houses sold for nothing quite a good investment in our own futures. 😎
temperature differential generation sounds like the most simple sterling engine ever, i can see these things being part of a dune stillsuit design where the collection of moisture from the body is part of the way its generating the current, along with it filtering the bodies water
Do you think a rig up like a solar hot water heater or swimming pool water heating pipe circuit to a house roof in warm place like Australia would work with the Stirling in ground in a pit for the temp differential with thermal fans or construction design similar to a termite moulds air conditioner system would work for battery charging?
A fridge sized device is said that it will produce 10kw a day but the cost of a unit when they start getting made are going to be about £15k a pop. It works off humidity.
Great video as usual Robert! Quick question, at around 4:29 you say the higher the temp the greater the voltage but the image suggests otherwise unless I'm reading it wrong and then please accept my apologies in advance.
Generating power from people's breath and sweat. Reminds me of how humans are "just batteries" in the Matrix :) Maybe these videos are posted by The Architect. ;)
I was thinking from the small experiment if it would be possible to layer the paper up at all, but then thought how about rolling the paper up, to create a greater surface area in a small space. This got me to thinking about the paper straws we've gotten used to today. They are always wet on the inside and (apart from the part in the drink) dry on the outside. Maybe for the aluminium some foil could be used or how about an Aluminium straw on either side with the inner one drilled maybe. There would be a constant flow of water to the inside of the straw and can be tested easily with a quick suck from Robert! The flat method as described would be good for places that get a lot of fog. Usually it rolls in from sea to land and up/down hills, the water could be condensed by the barrier and it would also produce electricity!
maybe coat the paper with konjac maybe it will work in lower humidity? if it need to dry use solar... would be able to generate water and energy not sure of the results thorough. and i wonder if steam (as a source of moist) would work? if the steam is to hot may be use it indirectly or add some distance? steam could keep it moist but not wet.
thank you again for an amazing video. I am curious, could this nano-moisture-electro-generator use a similar process that is used by the atmospheric motor you have mentioned before? As I recall they perform better with higher mositure in the air, but obvoiously not at a nano scale. The tech you describe may be useful in greenhouses. lots of moisture and need for electric devices, lights, etc. Anyway, God bless you and your family.
Hi Rob interesting video yet again, I wondered if it would be possible for this MEG to be upscaled to perhaps generate enough to power say a home in the near future. I ask this because i live on an island that has most of the time very high humidity and can see this idea collecting and generating electricity from the moisture in the air, it could work i guess, Or am i thinking way to far ahead ??
Yes Rob the CSIRO here in Australia are very clever LIKE YOURSELF at thinking outside the box pushing the limit to discover the missing links. Rob get some Germanium and pure iron (even iron ore like in Aus) add together it generates electricity, all I've been told from top scientist in the know you put one onto the other not sure of a separator medium it does stay dry and a hint Germanium is in the new solid state battery tech. Cheers haven't tried yet to many projects on the go. There's a company in Aus near Sydney they created a coating goes onto ceramic once hydrogen contacts it it heats upto from memory between 600 to 800°C in minutes , yes some cool stuff coming out.
Chitosan ? It's got Amino groups that may enhance the charge differential and mobility, add a little aniline to that I'd expect even more mobility. I can't seem to get aniline delivered (or even get a consistent chitosan film😒)so let me know if you try that, thanks.
The first thing that came to my mind was for people that live in vans. Does the process of generating the electricity actually remove the water from the air? If so, you could be charging leisure batteries and removing moisture at the same time, that's solves two big problems for van lifers.
How do you make one? That was fast ...absorb moisture from the air you say? Calcium chloride comes to mind. Thank you very much for another great and very useful video!
Wow, some tech that will actually work better in the horrible humid swamp I live in. Who'lda thunk it? I do see the value in being able to scrape even miniscule amounts of power from human sweat - all kinds of crazy applications seem possible. I'm not even thinking of the standard idea of using the power to dive computation or something similar, I'm thinking of electrochemistry. There are all kinds of reactions out there whose performance can be changed by the application of a charge. I could easily see the miniscule power charging up a similarly-disposable capacitor whose power is then used to "flush" some reaction so that it can be performed repeatedly on a schedule to monitor some aspect of the wearer's health. (Of course, this raises the question - if there are electrochemical reactions that can be refreshed with the application of current, why aren't there any existing products that harvest power from an RFID or NFC carrier wave to do so? This medical technology _should_ be old hat by now, now that I think of it.)
Damp wallpaper or damp walls are good for mold, and its associated nasties. NOT recommended. Paper is rather fragile, maybe cotton cloth would work as well? .
What a load of non sense... Is far better designs than this... I wanted to talk about the Van Der graf... I had an idea last night... If you turn the machine upside down imagine the earth is the Dome, and the earth static collection antenna was actually a sky antenna, the energy would want to pull to earth naturally... Imagine how the charges would collect along the earth's surface if you had the earth antenna down under the water table... There would be 3 layers... Water table-conductive, earth- insulator and the earth's surface constantly absorbing rain is another conductive layer... Like a layden jar setup... Tesla built a coil onto the metal rod going into earth which he said created a surface transmission... A wireless surface transmission... His electric car had one lead to ground like the vandergraf the ground connection was a Colm antenna not quite touching the earth but close so a circuit could be made... And finally he had an antenna on the vehicle to receive the surface transmission which would be grounded through the earth Colm... Think about it... Tesla always said he had much respect for the van Der graf... His telematic device was based on the Van Der graf... And so was his Tesla coil which he stated was a pump! that I believe worked like a van Der graf belt to keep the static charging consistently... I'd like to hear your thoughts around this... The ancients did the same I believe with the obelisks, towers and pyramids... The great pyramid has a room called the grand gallery where there were statues of men playing trumpets... The vibration of the trumpets created a consistent charge in the ground under the pyramid by making the pyramid conductive when vibrated... If a charge builds up on the earth's surface and a piece of rock was vibrated to become more conductive along that charged surface then the rock too will charge up with that same like energy... Keep charging it and eventually it will repel from the earth's surface once enough charge has built up... There for we would have rocks that could levitate
I also think the single layer primary coil acted like a magnetic field been spun round a generator coil. The primary coil been attached to the negative of a layden jar so as it discharged it created a powerful blast on the primary to pump huge amounts of static into the water table...(the faster you spin magnets around a generator coil the more energy is produced) Forcing negative charge onto the earth's surface. The surface transmission coil attached to the antenna above ground but below the dome was built specifically to transmit the energy at specific voltage ranges and it also meant the energy could be syphoned off rather than been ejected in one quick blast
Your fractal capacitors are an amazing idea. Thankyou for taking the time to learn about the topic and for explaining it to me with a presentation I absolutely loved watching
It's sounds great... on paper. ;)
All designs start somewhere I suppose
Spot on. You would be happy to power a watch with many large sheets
@@martinjandijkstra3205 still is worth a bit of time to watch and see what other make of can make of it though
That was a good one. A comma would have made it funnier:
That sounds like a really good idea . . . on paper.
I'm afraid my jokes only get worse. Lol
In 1800 Italian Physicist Alessandro Volta developed the voltaic pile, a forerunner of the electric battery. The first pile consisted of a number of discs of zinc and silver separated by pieces of wet paper and arranged in a vertical column. This was the first device to produce a steady stream of electricity (direct current) and could operate for decades.
In Volta' s device the paper was used as an electrode separator/insulator and not a MEG. The dissimilar metals caused his battery to work by galvanic action.
@@William_Hada Interesting information abouta voltaic cell not being a MEG, I dont think it was mentioned.
A galvanic (voltaic) cell uses the energy released during a spontaneous redox reaction to generate electricity.
The oxidation half-reaction occurs at one electrode (the anode), and the reduction half-reaction occurs at the other (the cathode).
Wet paper (cellulose) lasting for decades producing usable voltage sealed inside a wax coated voltaic pile has always been an interesting anecdote to me.
@@ProlificInvention Yes, the metallic zinc anode gets oxidized and the silver oxide cathode gets reduced to elemental silver.
@@William_Hada Volta's battery was known as the voltaic pile or the voltaic column. It consisted of alternating disks of zinc and silver (or copper and pewter) separated by paper or cloth. The paper of cloth was soaked in either salt water or sodium hydroxide.
@@ProlificInvention Yes, and it was not a MEG device.
I stumbled upon this behavior when I was playing around with TENG and measuring the results with my multimeter. I think this video of yours is a re-upload but it has reignited my interest in moisture based generator. Thanks Mr.Smith 🙂
Yes, he said that the paper was around one year old, and it came out in 2020, or something. So, it is a year old, or so, even though I don't remember seeing it, and I watch ALL of his videos.
Eye-opener! Much of the chemistry went over my head but wallpaper that can actually light a room!? 🤯
As a curious layperson I really am learning a lot from your tinkering, so thank you kindly!
This is really cool! A couple possible applications.
1. Using a paper filter to power Humidity Censors in HVAC systems.
2. Power generating shades (the sun would dehumidify one side and people's breath would recharge.
3. Lighting in Tents where Moisture is already a major problem as well as a need for mobile power.
4. Remote Flooding Sensors
5. Attic fans in humid areas.
Even if it's not able to run everything, being able to reduce loads would be worthwhile, especially in remote areas and for essential circuits.
Something that's often overlooked is how much moisture is in combustion products. Full combustion of most hydrocarbons is CO2+H2O. It might be a non-heat method if scavenging power from combustion plants.
A h²0 combustion vent moisture charge
Particularly liked lighting the room from the wall paper just by living in it!
Wooow the idea behind this is just genius! Haven't seen any new tech as interesting in a while!
Thank you Sir Robert.
While listening to your explanation, I imagined a water wheel rotating in and out of a stream, not only producing energy from the rotation, but also due to oscillating the relative moisture concentrations of these devices on the paddles. If it is as described, it would seem that putting a current in the correct direction could create a dehumidifier. Through its cycle, the paddle would create a charge in one direction while it absorbs water from the stream to the bounded side, and then later create a charge in the opposite direction while it emits water from the bounded side to the air.
The piling up of ideas on how to apply physics to generate power really inspires me.
Now, I don't want a handful of companies to control access to power, so I think of how to incorporate these principles into products, that are used everywhere and could make every house self sufficient with power.
With these principles, we might all start to appreciate a wet house foundation or even moisture diffusing building materials like the really old ones. Bricks set in clay/sand/lime like in the old days might suddenly prove really valuable in making your house self-powering, making the old, damp houses sold for nothing quite a good investment in our own futures. 😎
This is mindblowing and awesome.
BTW anyone noticed smoke at left edge of video at 13:17 ?
My thoughts exactly!!!
temperature differential generation sounds like the most simple sterling engine ever, i can see these things being part of a dune stillsuit design where the collection of moisture from the body is part of the way its generating the current, along with it filtering the bodies water
Do you think a rig up like a solar hot water heater or swimming pool water heating pipe circuit to a house roof in warm place like Australia would work with the Stirling in ground in a pit for the temp differential with thermal fans or construction design similar to a termite moulds air conditioner system would work for battery charging?
I like your thinking about Stirling motors or use for generation Commander
It brings to mind the capillary effect.
Thanks heaps Rob! Just Awesome!!!
It looks tailor-made for Welsh rooves. They see plenty of moisture!
Oops you did it again. Thanks for continually great topics and informative videos!
Output on the same order as TEG, Silver + carbon oxides -- are we sure that this isn't the Seebeck effect?
You said that you put the paper up, but I am not seeing any links.
They should have looked into hempcrete. It self regulates humidity/moisture, so there is obviously a transfer.
A fridge sized device is said that it will produce 10kw a day but the cost of a unit when they start getting made are going to be about £15k a pop. It works off humidity.
Just saw this on Matt Ferrell undecided channel. Reminds me of your dirt battery video
You could print/draw the current collector with conductive ink. You've got enough experience working with that.
Brilliant!!
You could put these on the underside of an umbrella and the rain drop generator on top and charge batteries in the handle!
Great video as usual Robert!
Quick question, at around 4:29 you say the higher the temp the greater the voltage but the image suggests otherwise unless I'm reading it wrong and then please accept my apologies in advance.
Generating power from people's breath and sweat. Reminds me of how humans are "just batteries" in the Matrix :)
Maybe these videos are posted by The Architect. ;)
I was thinking from the small experiment if it would be possible to layer the paper up at all, but then thought how about rolling the paper up, to create a greater surface area in a small space. This got me to thinking about the paper straws we've gotten used to today. They are always wet on the inside and (apart from the part in the drink) dry on the outside. Maybe for the aluminium some foil could be used or how about an Aluminium straw on either side with the inner one drilled maybe. There would be a constant flow of water to the inside of the straw and can be tested easily with a quick suck from Robert!
The flat method as described would be good for places that get a lot of fog. Usually it rolls in from sea to land and up/down hills, the water could be condensed by the barrier and it would also produce electricity!
Matt Farrell did a video about hydroelectric things by a portoguese company
The best application is with damp cooler ,it will work best there!
i was talking to some ai lately and learned that the most abundant organic stuff on earth is cellulose
Recycling will benefit from this
maybe coat the paper with konjac maybe it will work in lower humidity? if it need to dry use solar... would be able to generate water and energy not sure of the results thorough.
and i wonder if steam (as a source of moist) would work? if the steam is to hot may be use it indirectly or add some distance? steam could keep it moist but not wet.
thank you again for an amazing video. I am curious, could this nano-moisture-electro-generator use a similar process that is used by the atmospheric motor you have mentioned before? As I recall they perform better with higher mositure in the air, but obvoiously not at a nano scale. The tech you describe may be useful in greenhouses. lots of moisture and need for electric devices, lights, etc. Anyway, God bless you and your family.
People not only sweat a lot, they also stink a lot. So this sweat electric generator is better washing machine restistant😏
Very nice
instant battery - just add water
amazing
Hi Rob interesting video yet again, I wondered if it would be possible for this MEG to be upscaled to perhaps generate enough to power say a home in the near future. I ask this because i live on an island that has most of the time very high humidity and can see this idea collecting and generating electricity from the moisture in the air, it could work i guess, Or am i thinking way to far ahead ??
I doubt it.. but it could be useful for wireless nodes and sensors in. The near future and low powered electeonics
Yes Rob the CSIRO here in Australia are very clever LIKE YOURSELF at thinking outside the box pushing the limit to discover the missing links.
Rob get some Germanium and pure iron (even iron ore like in Aus) add together it generates electricity, all I've been told from top scientist in the know you put one onto the other not sure of a separator medium it does stay dry and a hint Germanium is in the new solid state battery tech.
Cheers haven't tried yet to many projects on the go.
There's a company in Aus near Sydney they created a coating goes onto ceramic once hydrogen contacts it it heats upto from memory between 600 to 800°C in minutes , yes some cool stuff coming out.
Hey, what about another use for all those Amazon boxes that keep "Pile-ing" up everywhere?
Chitosan ? It's got Amino groups that may enhance the charge differential and mobility, add a little aniline to that I'd expect even more mobility. I can't seem to get aniline delivered (or even get a consistent chitosan film😒)so let me know if you try that, thanks.
Robert what about areas that have high umidity . This is great discovery
OH, now I see. Speaking about Sea, I've ben lookin into much about NaCl type batteries!
Cool, thanks
The first thing that came to my mind was for people that live in vans. Does the process of generating the electricity actually remove the water from the air? If so, you could be charging leisure batteries and removing moisture at the same time, that's solves two big problems for van lifers.
Could you also wire it up to your sand battery and basically convert that moisture into heat?
How do you make one? That was fast ...absorb moisture from the air you say? Calcium chloride comes to mind. Thank you very much for another great and very useful video!
Shaken not stirred?
Fungi circuits?
Gauss Spores?
The future really is
Hello Sir
sweat power ?
How do these fair under extremely cold conditions?
I think it would perform better as the cooler the material, the less molecular movement and resistance
2:30 Small correction: You were talking about current but in your correction you display volts. Should be measured in amps, not volts (voltage).
radio waves...........
Wow, some tech that will actually work better in the horrible humid swamp I live in. Who'lda thunk it?
I do see the value in being able to scrape even miniscule amounts of power from human sweat - all kinds of crazy applications seem possible. I'm not even thinking of the standard idea of using the power to dive computation or something similar, I'm thinking of electrochemistry. There are all kinds of reactions out there whose performance can be changed by the application of a charge. I could easily see the miniscule power charging up a similarly-disposable capacitor whose power is then used to "flush" some reaction so that it can be performed repeatedly on a schedule to monitor some aspect of the wearer's health. (Of course, this raises the question - if there are electrochemical reactions that can be refreshed with the application of current, why aren't there any existing products that harvest power from an RFID or NFC carrier wave to do so? This medical technology _should_ be old hat by now, now that I think of it.)
Al Go
Damp wallpaper or damp walls are good for mold, and its associated nasties. NOT recommended.
Paper is rather fragile, maybe cotton cloth would work as well?
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So, it is not April 1st, right?
Next up, from just breathing on it, power generating face masks for the next pandemic.
At around 2:40 I think you mean v not m.
Could you please try experiment with breathable membrane used for houses
What a load of non sense... Is far better designs than this... I wanted to talk about the Van Der graf... I had an idea last night... If you turn the machine upside down imagine the earth is the Dome, and the earth static collection antenna was actually a sky antenna, the energy would want to pull to earth naturally... Imagine how the charges would collect along the earth's surface if you had the earth antenna down under the water table... There would be 3 layers... Water table-conductive, earth- insulator and the earth's surface constantly absorbing rain is another conductive layer... Like a layden jar setup... Tesla built a coil onto the metal rod going into earth which he said created a surface transmission... A wireless surface transmission... His electric car had one lead to ground like the vandergraf the ground connection was a Colm antenna not quite touching the earth but close so a circuit could be made... And finally he had an antenna on the vehicle to receive the surface transmission which would be grounded through the earth Colm... Think about it... Tesla always said he had much respect for the van Der graf... His telematic device was based on the Van Der graf... And so was his Tesla coil which he stated was a pump! that I believe worked like a van Der graf belt to keep the static charging consistently... I'd like to hear your thoughts around this... The ancients did the same I believe with the obelisks, towers and pyramids... The great pyramid has a room called the grand gallery where there were statues of men playing trumpets... The vibration of the trumpets created a consistent charge in the ground under the pyramid by making the pyramid conductive when vibrated... If a charge builds up on the earth's surface and a piece of rock was vibrated to become more conductive along that charged surface then the rock too will charge up with that same like energy... Keep charging it and eventually it will repel from the earth's surface once enough charge has built up... There for we would have rocks that could levitate
I also think the single layer primary coil acted like a magnetic field been spun round a generator coil. The primary coil been attached to the negative of a layden jar so as it discharged it created a powerful blast on the primary to pump huge amounts of static into the water table...(the faster you spin magnets around a generator coil the more energy is produced) Forcing negative charge onto the earth's surface. The surface transmission coil attached to the antenna above ground but below the dome was built specifically to transmit the energy at specific voltage ranges and it also meant the energy could be syphoned off rather than been ejected in one quick blast
Reception of the energy only requires an antenna with one end connected to earth and any circuit built in series
Your fractal capacitors are an amazing idea. Thankyou for taking the time to learn about the topic and for explaining it to me with a presentation I absolutely loved watching