Revan was very powerful he was literally the chosen one of the old republic he balanced the light and dark for 300 years (Sorry Sidious killed Plagueis not Vitate)
@@ManoraManYT no but he backed him off for a long time he was essentially the chosen one and balanced both the dark and the light for 300 years sidious killed vítate in his sleep so don’t act like they both 1v1 in a duel
He was not “literally the chosen one”. People have to stop saying literally for things they completely make up. Revan had nothing to do with the Father, Son, or Daughter. Just because he knew both sides of the force does not make him “the chosen one”.
@@CommanderOfRussia1 it’s not that he know both sides your argument is invalid Revan balanced both the dark and light for 300 years pushed back the emperor of the old republic
@@vali6843 No he didn’t lol, the Sith Triumvirate came after him and nearly killed the entirety of the Jedi order. Revan didn’t balance a damn thing. The Emperor of the old republic was sitting around for 500+ years already before Revan even came lol. The chosen one is meant to replace the father’s role on Mortis, and Anakin is literally the being born for that, and accomplished it in TCW.
@@aamirrazak3467No, KOTOR 2 had no place for Revan. Revan came to terms with his past in KOTOR 1. The sequel is the Exile’s chance of closure but also Nihlus is the mirror opposite of the Exile. Both force wounded, both form force bonds, both heavily traumatised by war and Malachor V but both coped in different ways with the trauma. It’s perfect, just perfect. not everything has to be about Revan or fan service.
Besides it’s likely Revan would be useless until Nihlus tries to consume the exile. Feeding someone who’s powerful in the force but force wounded is like eating from a can of tasty looking poison. It’s likely if The Exile wasn’t a wound in the force, Nihlus would’ve killed them and their companions.
@@Echani3007 KOTOR 2 provided backstory about revan and further fleshed out his character, and a dark vision of him appears in the secret tomb of ludo kressh on korriban, but yes i agree that its about the exile and it is my favorite game ever and brilliantly written. the exile's story is one of the best in star wars imo
@@ghostridersgromFun fact, but one of the original ideas for Nihilus was to have his iconic mask actually be Revan's skull. Just imagine how rad it would be, them introducing this villain as the guy who killed your character from the first game and now wears him as a trophy. At the end of the day though, I'm glad it got shafted. Keeping him alive longer gave them the chance to further establish Revan as a total badass!
They weren't smart enough for checkers They were playing game of life and revan killed them all (yes I know how to play the game this is for comedic purposes)
Revan was a master of both the light and dark side, lightsaber combat he was excellent, he was responsible for saving the galaxy from falling during the mandalorian wars, while the Jedi sat and only discussed the killings, Revan took it upon himself to face the mandalorians at malachor, and he fell to the dark side in order to save the galaxy not because he was overwhelmed by the dark side, The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is different in many ways, overall the story of Revan is among my favorite stories in the entire Star Wars history
Well no, after his victory over the mandalorians he went looking for the reason behind their invasion then got absolutely molly whopped by the Emperor, only to return after his redemption with Meera and get fucked up again by the same dude.
@@KingSlayer_. Not even high diff lol, DE Sidious wipes him off from existence. Plagueis or Vader would be a better match although he'd still probably lose.
People really overestimate Nihilus. He's pretty useless without Force Drain, and Force Drain is in fact an ability which can be countered by a powerful enough Force User. Once Revan blocked his Force Drain, Nihilus would be boned.
You underestimate nihilus. He had just about the strongest connection and power over the force which is literally what makes a jedi/sith as strong as they are. (Their connection to the force)
nihilus force drain helped him eat planets everyday, in fact if darth traya hadn't also been a wound in the force they wouldnt have ever killed nihilus and he would have ate every inch of life in existence
@@JohnJohn-bz1lqNihilus would just drain him if Revan couldn't resist. That's the biggest problem; no one can get close enough to Nihilus to fight him. The only reason he was defeated was because he was attacked by another wound in the force who had better combat skills
Nihilus wins as only another force wound could counter him or defeat him as Kotor 2 stated plus he was more powerful than revan but yes revan was wiser but probably would have known approaching nihilus would of ended in his death as nihilus kills anything in his mere presence and no meetra surik wasn't a better duelist than nihilus he mainly fell due to trying to drain her but as she's like him she was immune but also due to visas betrayal and cutting the bond is ultimately how he fell but ultimately he survived telios 4 just couldn't physically manifest himself anymore he's immortal remember so can return given the right circumstances
Nah. He definitely is one tho. It's not the use of both spectrums (not easy at all) but his refusal to follow the high council that makes him Gray btw.
Revan taught the modern sith, from bane all the way to sidious, every force ability, every strategy, everything they knew. Revan only lost to vitiate because Bastila got killed. In the novel revan had vitiate on the back peddle during the light saber duel, force power, raw power vitiate beat revan. It was only when he was distracted by her death was when vitiate was able to subdue him with and extremely powerful force storm.
But Revan could still defeat him. There were many reasons, the memory had not yet fully returned, exhaustion, he was weakened, and his enemy was at his base still shrouded in the dark side of the force, while Revan could still win, the fight was worthy.
The difference between Revan and almost every other dark side user is that almost all of them use the dark side either because they are born into it, or because they are too weak to resist it. Revan is like Legends Luke. And is probably the sole Jedi to ever live that could oppose Legends Luke in a straight up fight. To him, the dark side was a means to an end. And falling to the dark side was a sacrifice, not a thing he wanted to do for personal gain. AND he eventually managed to rise back.
Literal darkness vs literal grey in a nutshell. One who embodies the full darkside, one whom embodies both at the same time. A grand master of one, the master of both. Two warriors right there unmatched in their time.
When it comes to the debate of Revan and Vader, I see Revan as what Vader/Anakin could have been if he was able to reach his full potential. They also share many similar character traits as well.
Revan is the example of what Revan should have strived to be someone who wants to learn who is powerful because he earns it not because he is naturally gifted
The only way Revan beats Nihilus is if he can, like the Exile, negate Nihilus' Drain but given how Revan studied the Sith texts at the Trayus Academy, I'd say he'd definitely have a chance. I also think a fight between Revan and Sidious would end up with both of them dead or 1 bowing to the other in order to stab him in the back later on.
I don’t think Revan can. See, I think Nihlus only had his hunger beaten by The Exile because The Exile is a wound in the force. It doesn’t make sense to try feed from the force of someone who isn’t recognised by the force. It’s the result of the war that Nihlus & The Exile are so powerful but also why they’re both wounds in the force. Kreia says ingame that these techniques can only be learnt by those who have experienced being force ate. I’m not sure Revan has had such a traumatising event happen to him. I’m sure it would’ve heavily corrupted him.
@@Echani3007 Oh yeah I get all that. What I'm saying is the Exile had an innate ability to be able to defeat Nihilus. I think Revan could have learned of Nihilus' weaknesses without becoming a wound in the Force given enough time and material.
he would of beat vitiate easily if vitiate wasn’t on the planet of Dromund Kass, which multiplied vitiates power,stated in kotor, also revan had just broken out of prison 3 days before fighting vitiate where he was tortured for 300 years straight. on equal grounds on a normal planet revan beats nihilus high/extreme diff
Fr. George Lucas said palpatine the strongest sith but like... what did he do? He killed plagueis but it wasn't even in a proper fight it was while plagueis was drunk and asleep. Palpatines only big feet is his iq other then beating maul and savage easy. And setting up the clone wars which palpatine barely did most of it was dooku and grevious ngl. Then he died so easily in rotj. Revan is too op dor canon so i think that is why they made him jot canon then said palpatine was the strongest.
@@jaymessmoyer340 Since we're all going off Legends continuity Palpatine was capable of controlling Force Storms which were space anomalies that could be used a Force wormholes. He could you them to obliterate ships and even travel across the galaxy. The problem is the technique is highly dangerous, and the slightest loss in concentration could kill the user. This is how one of Palptine's clone bodies was killed at the end of the first part of Dark Empire. I highly recommend that story because it takes what was shitty about the sequels and runs circles around those movies. Those books also laid the foundation of the Tales of the Jedi comics which were essentially the beginning of the Old Republic era in media. Dark Empire gets a lot of flack for it's premise, but it handles it really well in terms of execution, which is more important than the premise. Here's the gist of it so spoiler warning if you're interested and haven't read it or listened to the audio drama that's really good. Basically Palpatine had plans to restructure the Empire so that he could usher in a new era of open practice of the dark side. He reorganizes at the center of the galaxy, and amasses power their since that's where all his resources were (Exegol bing in the Unknown Regions was fucking dumb, and Byss is a much better location). Luke doesn't actually fall to the dark side. He's essentially doing his same plan from ROTJ, but this time Anakin isn't there to save him from death, so he gets in way over his head and gets too deep. Leia gets a bigger role and this story basically puts her closer to Luke's level, and they are able to defeat Palptine. The whole story is about Luke realizing that he isn't the only hope, and that he doesn't have to sacrifice himself to save the galaxy. Basically it's the sequel trilogy if Anakin's sacrifice wasn't in vain (Luke actually revives the Jedi Order), and Luke isn't character assassinated because you actually get to see the build up. This was longer than I expected, but I really wanted to help flex the fact that one of Legends supposedly worst stories is leagues better than Disney canon.
@@jaymessmoyer340 Even then, Revan's manipulations make Palpatine look like an idiot in comparison. Intentionally creating wounds in the force to mass convert Jedi to the dark side is genius.
No. The same as saying that Vader would not be able to defeat Polpatin. And Revan was in top shape and used his strength as a Jedi and as a Sith to the fullest, so the battle would have been epic, but he would have defeated him.
Ok so, this is some legends sources Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Source: The New Essential Chronology Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known. Source: Vader: The Ultimate Guide Emperor Zaarin? The idea isn't as ludicrous as it sounds. Demetrius Zaarin gambled everything on an audacious coup d'état and nearly killed the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known. Source: Insider #66: Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed. Source: Death Star His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith. Source: Force & Destiny Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side. Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook Meet Darth Sidious - the most powerful Sith Master who ever lived. Source: Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice Finally - the Emperor - who should be fighting to save the Republic - is revealed as the most powerful and menacing Sith of all! Source: The Sith (Revenge of the Sith Collection, 2005) Palpatine could destroy entire worlds or fleet at the other end of the galaxy, without too much effort, thanks to its Force Storms. ""When the Empire forged boldly into the Deep Core under Emperor Palpatine's decree, the Emperor quickly chose the planet Byss as his personal resort world. When the Imperial claim to the Deep Core was established and loyal followers flocked to the new frontier, Palpatine made sure to draw the most eager and blissfully ignorant nobles and leaders to Byss. Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments."" ""Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations." Source : Byss and the Deep Core (So during his reign, wherever he was, Palpatine was draining life energy from the people of Byss (19.7 billion according to The Essential Atlas), Nihilus himself is a child) When Palpatine died, it took the spirits of every Jedi in history to sustain him in the afterlife. To come back to life, Palpatine had to come back from Chaos, something almost impossible (Exar Kun, for example, is one of the very few who managed to do so. By the way, find out about Exar Kun too, he rolls without too much trouble on Darth Revan and will only find real difficulty against Revan Redeemed) etc. etc. You still have a long way to go in Legends
People also seem to forget revan got ragrolled by vitiate. Sidious low difs revan. Better duelist and strongest force user. There is not a simgle thing revan can do better than sidious
This despite the fact that the only one he was afraid of was Revan, using his knowledge while he was in a state of suspended animation, even then Revan influenced him with his power. It was Revan's actions that were key, one of the most important, and ultimately led to victory. At the time of the battle, Revan was exhausted and weakened, part of his knowledge and memory had not yet been fully restored, and they fought in a place where dark power was concentrated, even then Revan could be able to win, so otherwise everything would have ended more like a battle Vader and Darth Sidious, in the end Revan would have completed his mission anyway. In fact, one way or another, he did it...
I am just gonna say, legends wise Vader and sidious would probably beat revan. Just cause Vader is susceptible to lightning doesn’t mean he’s gonna let himself get hit by it. Sidious in legends is too OP. And also, on paper I am pretty sure nihlus would just be too surprisingly powerful for revan to even start to do anything to negate his force drain. Now revan with prep time, maybe, depends how strong nihlus truly is, but in a random encounter with no prior knowledge of the other, nihlus wins.
@@darthdisabilities193 It aint that easy. Blocking lightning isn't just raising your lightsaber. It takes a great amount of strength depending on the one using the lighting. This is even canon as displayed from live action. For example, obi wan blocked dooku, but dooku didn't master it. In ROTS, though, Windu clearly is in pain when blocking lighting from sidious, because his lighting is very powerful.
This despite the fact that the only one he was afraid of was Revan, using his knowledge while he was in a state of suspended animation, even then Revan influenced him with his power. It was Revan's actions that were key, one of the most important, and ultimately led to victory. At the time of the battle, Revan was exhausted and weakened, part of his knowledge and memory had not yet been fully restored, and they fought in a place where dark power was concentrated, even then Revan could be able to win, so otherwise everything would have ended more like a battle Vader and Darth Sidious, in the end Revan would have completed his mission anyway. In fact, one way or another, he did it..
@@Lordmegs132 in fact one, and then at that moment Revan did not have all his strength, and Vitate tried to hit his allies. Revan could well repeat the ritual of draining power from others and be like Vitat, but this is not the way of Revan, if they had not fought on the planet of Vitiata, where dark power prevailed due to his murder rituals, then Revan could even defeat him without any problems, maybe it could be like in the battle of Vader against Palpatine, Revan would have arranged it differently from Vitait, as in the case of the one who broke his jaw.
In general, their confrontation looks like Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty, reminiscent of a film with Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes: a game of shadows.
Revan is one of if not the most powerful sith, he is a combination of both light and dark sharing one being, his mere presence in cw or in any of the main movies would strike fear into people. He had abilities that modern sith could only dream of.
"Revan was power," is a quote from their first teacher, but Revan couldn't not stop a wound like Nhilius... he is the embodiment of emptiness and he leaves such in his wake. The only reason he is able to be defeated is because the Exile does what she does at the right time
ive seen some people say Sidious wins, but u have to remember the only thing that makes him "stronger" is his force storm ablilty. but, think about the fact that in a 1v1 he will not have the time to use it and also revan can use it as well and is capable of directing it to a degree greater then sidious
Or the fact he mastered every single dark side ability to ever exist, to the point he made new abilities on a whim. Also perhaps the ability to drain entire planets and mind control the entire population(Byss), or maybe even the ability to touch millions of minds across any distance of the galaxy. But sure, just the storms.
@@CommanderOfRussia1 Powers he literally cant use in a real fight and would still get killed because he not that good with a lightsaber, and for all his power he got killed by being thrown down a shaft and did nothing to save himself, because he couldn't.
Bla bla bla revan beats all of them Lucas doesn’t even own Star Wars anymore plus he probably said that because he made palpatine. Revan beats palpatine in every way. I dare you to prove me wrong.
@@benculbertson536 Revan lost to a si gle blast of Vitiates lightning. Palpatines base lightning can blister the surface of planets. Palpatine wins low diff.
@@thefunnymofo7857 Vitiate, the one who makes Palpatine look like a toddler? Yeah, I'm still going with Revan on this one seeing as Valkorion can wipe a planet of life within seconds if he really wanted to put his mind to it. Aside from Vitiate and full potential Anakin, and maybe Grandmaster Luke, there really isn't anyone close to or better than Revan, especially we very rarely see Palpatine (I'm trying to keep Palpatine in line with how Lucas saw him, as a very strong Sith Lord who's main flaw was thinking he was better than he really was). In terms of raw force power, I actually might concede that Sidious/Palpatine is stronger. However, we saw Sidious get literally ragdolled by Vader after Vader was already injured. Yes, Vader blindsided him, but if Sidious is oh-so-powerful, how could he not sense Vader's unease, why did he not suspect this betrayal? Vitiate would have from a million light years away. It lends more credence to Revan soloing Sidious, to the point where I would think Grandmaster Luke would be a far more difficult opponent.
@benculbertson536 You don't know what you are talking about lol. Every one of Vitiates high tier feats was because of Zildrog and rituals. Every single one. The one time he wasn't fully prepped, he got trapped in Sel Makor and needed the Wraths assistance to get out. Palpatine has higher feats and doesn't need either of them. He passively absorbed a planet from across the galaxy without a ritual, the highest absorption feat in the verse. He presence brings the literal Dark side with him as he is s a living dark side nexus, his force storms can be opened from anywhere in the galaxy, and again with no.prep his Sith Sorcery was able to break into a tineless place, he escaped Star Wars hell on pure will alone. It isn't even close, Vitiate in all his forms loses unless he has massive prep time. I haven't even mentioned his physical feats. Vitiate is outscaled in every area except wisdom and intellect, and even then it is close. 2k years of life only to lose to someone not even 100.
@@igornagonski8215 Nah, anyone saying Sidious has a decent chance in combat is a fanboy. Same thing as the people who say Sidious would legitimately be able to beat Vader if Vader truly broke through the mental block of being subservient to Palpatine and "needing" him.
Revan was incredibly powerful. He was the Sith that paved the way for all other sith. He was very smart in battles. He was incredibly wise as well. He created plans better than Sidious.
The issue with that is forces users in the old republic era don’t qualify as sith or jedi at their most powerful Revan being one of them Even Exar kun someone even Luke after dark empire says is more powerful then anyone he has ever encountered that would include Sidious Revan is stated to be above Exar in force power and potential And Revan is stated could rival or even defeat vitiate even in a weakened state Let alone his prime And Exar vitiate and Revan don’t qualify as true sith at their most powerful but beyond the sith So when people say Sidious is the most powerful sith fine But it doesn’t apply to them at their strongest
@RealDutchBearhe was killed by Vader, he was disabled. Luke did not do this, but he could have, but this is how he brought his father back from the dark side. what will someone in much better shape do to Palpatine, like Revan? all these measures change according to the need of the plot, which was more interesting, so forget it, but logically speaking, this is also not the case.
I have to admit. Revan is a strong combatant but he'll lose to Sidious. Remember Sidious was the chosen one of the dark side of the force. Also, Sidious midi chlorian rate was slightly higher than Yoda I believe?
thing about nihilus was he was an actual tear in the force and whilst his dueling abilities weren’t nearly as good as revan his force abilities were his prime power point. Just becuase he was able to drain entire planets dosent mean he was as good of a duelist and or sith warrior as revan was
Facts. Revan was on a completely different level than most if not all the movie characters. The galaxy has not seen such power since his death. He was the only one to actually cause Tenebrae, the most powerful force entity to ever exist, real fear
No. The same as saying that Vader would not be able to defeat Polpatin, and Vader would be able to defeat Nihilus. And Revan was in top shape and used his strength as a Jedi and as a Sith to the fullest, so the battle would have been epic, but he would have defeated him.
Depends if revan can get closed nihilus has no chance even if he had 10 light saber cause he's trash at dueling but if revan get force drained he's done for, I think only Skywalker bloodline is immune to force drain but am not sure if revan reborn is immune or not
@@dreemurrprince normal force drain yes but Nihilus force drain was special because he was a wound in the force. If Metra wasn't a wound herself and didn't stoped him , Nihilus would destroy/eat everything
@@dangi6516 Yes, it became a thing where he naturally would just do it to those around him, i don’t see how that removes the “stronger = not work” weakness
Most powerful is vader. Because palpatine himself said there is no other sith before him so strong than he is. Even tell yoda vader will become more powerful than they both together.
@@alexjassir5847 that's true, but this was before Anakin was severly damaged/crippeld. Becaus of his separated limbs, Vader lost nearly 40% of his force potential. He is a skillfull duelist, a deadly opponent, BUT he only reach 80% of the power of the Emperor.
Palpatine es el segundo ser mas poderoso despues del elegido, revan es un personaje de un videojuego nada mas, si disney creara un personaje como revan, starkiller todos estarian llorando por romper el canon
@@JohnnyCheddar Hey, this is some evidences for you ;) Ok so, this is some legends sources Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Source: The New Essential Chronology Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known. Source: Vader: The Ultimate Guide Emperor Zaarin? The idea isn't as ludicrous as it sounds. Demetrius Zaarin gambled everything on an audacious coup d'état and nearly killed the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known. Source: Insider #66: Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed. Source: Death Star His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith. Source: Force & Destiny Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side. Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook Meet Darth Sidious - the most powerful Sith Master who ever lived. Source: Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice Finally - the Emperor - who should be fighting to save the Republic - is revealed as the most powerful and menacing Sith of all! Source: The Sith (Revenge of the Sith Collection, 2005) Palpatine could destroy entire worlds or fleet at the other end of the galaxy, without too much effort, thanks to its Force Storms. ""When the Empire forged boldly into the Deep Core under Emperor Palpatine's decree, the Emperor quickly chose the planet Byss as his personal resort world. When the Imperial claim to the Deep Core was established and loyal followers flocked to the new frontier, Palpatine made sure to draw the most eager and blissfully ignorant nobles and leaders to Byss. Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments."" ""Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations." Source : Byss and the Deep Core (So during his reign, wherever he was, Palpatine was draining life energy from the people of Byss (19.7 million according to The Essential Atlas), Nihilus himself is a child) When Palpatine died, it took the spirits of every Jedi in history to sustain him in the afterlife. To come back to life, Palpatine had to come back from Chaos, something almost impossible (Exar Kun, for example, is one of the very few who managed to do so. By the way, find out about Exar Kun too, he rolls without too much trouble on Darth Revan and will only find real difficulty against Revan Redeemed) etc. etc. You still have a long way to go in Legends
@@florida_man11 Some proof (there are others) Ok so, this is some legends sources Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Source: The New Essential Chronology Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known. Source: Vader: The Ultimate Guide Emperor Zaarin? The idea isn't as ludicrous as it sounds. Demetrius Zaarin gambled everything on an audacious coup d'état and nearly killed the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known. Source: Insider #66: Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed. Source: Death Star His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith. Source: Force & Destiny Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side. Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook Meet Darth Sidious - the most powerful Sith Master who ever lived. Source: Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice Finally - the Emperor - who should be fighting to save the Republic - is revealed as the most powerful and menacing Sith of all! Source: The Sith (Revenge of the Sith Collection, 2005) Palpatine could destroy entire worlds or fleet at the other end of the galaxy, without too much effort, thanks to its Force Storms. ""When the Empire forged boldly into the Deep Core under Emperor Palpatine's decree, the Emperor quickly chose the planet Byss as his personal resort world. When the Imperial claim to the Deep Core was established and loyal followers flocked to the new frontier, Palpatine made sure to draw the most eager and blissfully ignorant nobles and leaders to Byss. Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments."" ""Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations." Source : Byss and the Deep Core (So during his reign, wherever he was, Palpatine was draining life energy from the people of Byss (19.7 billion according to The Essential Atlas), Nihilus himself is a child) When Palpatine died, it took the spirits of every Jedi in history to sustain him in the afterlife. To come back to life, Palpatine had to come back from Chaos, something almost impossible (Exar Kun, for example, is one of the very few who managed to do so. By the way, find out about Exar Kun too, he rolls without too much trouble on Darth Revan and will only find real difficulty against Revan Redeemed) etc. etc. You still have a long way to go in Legends
Actually, nihilus is technically invincible by any user of the force since he absorbs their energy to live. The only reason why he doesn’t rule the universe is because as kreia said, it’s not a power that can be controlled, he just absorbs life in order to stay alive but not intentionally
But that’s the thing revan has feats of beating people who are superior duelist revan’s mastery is the 6th form the moderation form It has no weakness yet not strength Revan uses it to measure his opponents so when he figures out their weakness he focuses on that His mindset is “Winning isn’t about being better, it’s finding your opponents weakness then exploiting it” Dooku’s weakness is he can’t tank a head in assault from someone skilled and strong Revan is skilled and stronger then he looks according to everyone he has fought If Revan can keep up with dooku in a duel he doesn’t have to match his swordsman ship he has to presses a his counters into an aggressive offense dooku can’t defend against
@@ATalesTruth- Of course Dooku can defend a hand on assault, Dooku himself isn’t a very strong guy, you think he wouldn’t do anything about that? Any strike an opponent makes, Makashi allows to perfectly parry with minimum effort. The only way to beat Makashi is to outlast your opponent, but Dooku has extreme endurance. Of course Revan has a weakness, his lack of a strength is weakness in it of itself. Dooku can capitalize off that by dominating him in things that Revan is just ok in and destroy him. Not only do I think Dooku would win, I think he would wipe the floor with Revan.
@@AdamFrisch1 well revan is actually strong and his stamina is off the charts If anything revan can last just as long as dooku The idea of dooku being stronger physically implies he actually bull doses his way to victory He doesn’t Also dooku vs Anakin is a prime example of what I mean when dooku can’t handle a front full assault As Anakin in all their fights in the clone wars past season 3 is having dooku on the back foot Revan is a lot like dooku The biggest advantage revan has is adaptability and endurance Dooku’s biggest advantage is his fence and composure to his form The only way you can say dooku wins is if he can’t keep up in a fight As again Revan doesn’t have to a be a better duelist to win a duel he just has to figure dooku out to exploit his weakness which revan said he can master fighting an opponent on first encounter
@@ATalesTruth- The reason Dooku lost vs Anakin in ROTS is because Palpatine told him to so that Anakin could kill him and become his apprentice. I really think you’re overrating Revan here, and enough with the “Form 6 Moderation Form” most Jedi use Form 6 y’know and Dooku has killed a LOT of Jedi. In the clone wars series, I can’t recall when Anakin actually beat Dooku, I remember one of them usually having to run away to go take care of something else, and the reason Dooku was always on the defense is because that’s literally what Form 2 is designed to do, force your opponent to use up all his energy. Plus, Anakin is an offensive person, so both were just playing to their strengths. And again, it is universally held that Dooku is the most powerful duelist, I don’t care how good Revan is compared to people who were better than him, it just wouldn’t be enough.
@@AdamFrisch1 see I agree revan is overrated by a lot of People At the same time I think you underestimate him by that extension It’s your screwed other-way It’s a case in people thinking revan is one of the best their not wrong But thinking he beats the absolute best is wrong Thinking Revan is say weaker then obi wan that’s wrong Thinking he is stronger then sidious that’s also wrong It’s a case you have to look at him objectively In show he is very much like starkiller someone who has potential but never actually reached it in life and was considered OP regardless by many Into the discussion Anakin beating dooku there are a lot of people who interpret the fight differently Some say Anakin beat dooku fair and square some say dooku was instructed to lose Again your screwed either way because the interpretation can be seen in either case As for you saying dooku beat people with form 6 The issue with your argument is the Jedi of the prequel era dooku said don’t even respect the lightsaber and lost the proper skill and respect that comes with the blade Not to mention the reason most form 6 users are shit in the prequels Because they use form 6 without mastering all the other forms Form 6 is only effective you mastered the fundamentals of every form down to second nature If you use it and don’t have every formed mastered down to a T Then you are mediocre Revan did however master all the forms which is why him using from 6 is not a hindrance as you seem to say it is Only few people who used form 6 mastered all the forms Even Exar kun used form 6 and never lost a duel Point is don’t say the form is shit just because the prequel era Jedi wanted to be modern yet didn’t master anything Also form 2 is not designed for defense That’s form 3 that obi won specialized in Form 2 specializes in 1v1 swordplay focusing on footwork and finesse with the blade Don’t get basic facts wrong Also “powerful duelist” You mean best duelist You can be powerful and someone less powerful then you can be a better at a sword Dooku is held at being the best of the order at the Time Because the whole point of dooku is he actually cares about lightsaber combat trying to bring his skill to the level of the sith were to return he be ready to fight them. Blade to blade Where 99% of Jedi didn’t even prepare for blade to blade convey due to the 1000 years of peace with no sith Basically the Jedi didn’t practice for 1000 years in blade to blade combats It’s why dooku lost respect for the Jedi training methods With only councils members dooku considered barely competent The issue if you saying revan isn’t good enough When the whole point of his character is he loses him memories and his training yet relearned everything in such a rate he surpassed the Jedi and sith of his era Also to mention revan never actually lost a 1v1 duel in the old republic Revan was either ambushed outnumbered or betrayed He was described as being the greatest warrior in his age This would include Exar to an extent because Exar died 2 years before Revan was born And was already said to be the most powerful Jedi and sith in generations Exar regardless if you consider when he was alive or his spirit form Revan would be around his level regardless especially since he is stated to be capable of rivaling or being just as powerful as vitaite Yes he never reached said power in life Yet it’s still a indicator of his power With other even other faction in Star Wars outside the Jedi and sith calling revan the best warrior they ever seen And revan beating Malak someone said to be a better swordsman twice through skill and cunning on top of being almost as good in blade to blade Yes I think revan as he stands when he is alive would lose to say Vader or Sidious But he is one of those video game characters like starkiller Where both have the potential to be on the level of their respective emperors get their ass kicked by them and still be admired and seen as potential equals As that’s is where revan ranks accurately I even say a fight between him and star killer is a toss up And even I get starkiller is overrated But people underrate him for the same respect Being a video game character makes people not look at everything
Revan was very powerful he was literally the chosen one of the old republic he balanced the light and dark for 300 years (Sorry Sidious killed Plagueis not Vitate)
And yet he still couldn’t beat vitiate
@@ManoraManYT no but he backed him off for a long time he was essentially the chosen one and balanced both the dark and the light for 300 years sidious killed vítate in his sleep so don’t act like they both 1v1 in a duel
He was not “literally the chosen one”. People have to stop saying literally for things they completely make up. Revan had nothing to do with the Father, Son, or Daughter. Just because he knew both sides of the force does not make him “the chosen one”.
@@CommanderOfRussia1 it’s not that he know both sides your argument is invalid Revan balanced both the dark and light for 300 years pushed back the emperor of the old republic
@@vali6843 No he didn’t lol, the Sith Triumvirate came after him and nearly killed the entirety of the Jedi order. Revan didn’t balance a damn thing. The Emperor of the old republic was sitting around for 500+ years already before Revan even came lol. The chosen one is meant to replace the father’s role on Mortis, and Anakin is literally the being born for that, and accomplished it in TCW.
Fun fact, revamped technically created Darth Nihilus from the mass shadow generator
Indirectly he was responsible for creating nihilus yes. Would’ve been cool if he helped the exile defeat nihilus in KOTOR 2
@@aamirrazak3467No, KOTOR 2 had no place for Revan. Revan came to terms with his past in KOTOR 1. The sequel is the Exile’s chance of closure but also Nihlus is the mirror opposite of the Exile. Both force wounded, both form force bonds, both heavily traumatised by war and Malachor V but both coped in different ways with the trauma. It’s perfect, just perfect. not everything has to be about Revan or fan service.
Besides it’s likely Revan would be useless until Nihlus tries to consume the exile. Feeding someone who’s powerful in the force but force wounded is like eating from a can of tasty looking poison. It’s likely if The Exile wasn’t a wound in the force, Nihlus would’ve killed them and their companions.
@@Echani3007 KOTOR 2 provided backstory about revan and further fleshed out his character, and a dark vision of him appears in the secret tomb of ludo kressh on korriban, but yes i agree that its about the exile and it is my favorite game ever and brilliantly written. the exile's story is one of the best in star wars imo
Revamped?
We must keep the legacy of revan alive and out of hands of disney
Agreed
Keep the legacy out of Disney's hands we must
Keep the entire star wars franchise out of disney's hands
He's too cool, I feel they'll find a way to shit on him too
They are working on a show with all the badass sith like revan
Nihilus at the moment was technically more an walking stomach than anything other
He can drain/eat anything if this thing doesn't resist with the force
Meanwhile nihilus : IM HUNGRY
Revan: I'll feed you punches.
Revan: I am reborn Revan, you are nothing
@@ghostridersgrom I AM REVAN
I mean I could eat planet or to 😅
@@ghostridersgromFun fact, but one of the original ideas for Nihilus was to have his iconic mask actually be Revan's skull. Just imagine how rad it would be, them introducing this villain as the guy who killed your character from the first game and now wears him as a trophy. At the end of the day though, I'm glad it got shafted. Keeping him alive longer gave them the chance to further establish Revan as a total badass!
Darth Revan was a genius
The other sith were playing checkers while Revan was playing 4-D chess
They weren't smart enough for checkers
They were playing game of life and revan killed them all
(yes I know how to play the game this is for comedic purposes)
@@mercenaryelite it all worked out in the end
Pretty sure reven was playing 10D chess with the entire galaxy at his door step
Thanks bro
What about sidious, he was playing 6-D chess
Revan was a master of both the light and dark side, lightsaber combat he was excellent, he was responsible for saving the galaxy from falling during the mandalorian wars, while the Jedi sat and only discussed the killings, Revan took it upon himself to face the mandalorians at malachor, and he fell to the dark side in order to save the galaxy not because he was overwhelmed by the dark side,
The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is different in many ways, overall the story of Revan is among my favorite stories in the entire Star Wars history
And after that he returned to the light
Well no, after his victory over the mandalorians he went looking for the reason behind their invasion then got absolutely molly whopped by the Emperor, only to return after his redemption with Meera and get fucked up again by the same dude.
It's like looking into the heart of force.
finally someone that doesent underestimate revan
No. This is just another Darth Revan fanboy. Darth sidious beats him High diff.
@@KingSlayer_. Not even high diff lol, DE Sidious wipes him off from existence. Plagueis or Vader would be a better match although he'd still probably lose.
@@KingSlayer_. ahem do you even know how powerful reven is
@@KingSlayer_. what was that you just said THE DUDE WHO DIED TO REY
@@ItsJustRaven Yeah so you think the sequels are consistent and make sense?
People really overestimate Nihilus. He's pretty useless without Force Drain, and Force Drain is in fact an ability which can be countered by a powerful enough Force User. Once Revan blocked his Force Drain, Nihilus would be boned.
You underestimate nihilus. He had just about the strongest connection and power over the force which is literally what makes a jedi/sith as strong as they are. (Their connection to the force)
Além disso ele é um fantástico fantásma do passado dos sith
nihilus force drain helped him eat planets everyday, in fact if darth traya hadn't also been a wound in the force they wouldnt have ever killed nihilus and he would have ate every inch of life in existence
Nihilus has the ability to seperate people from the force as he did to Traya while Sion beat the **** out of her.
You said it like it’s so easy to do
Ancient sith would stomp modern sith.
Darth Caedus and Darth Krayt would give a lot of ancient with a run for their money
@@jtym_0720 well they are from legends and that is still Star Wars and legends is definitely better than canon
@@jtym_0720 then what is
@@jtym_0720 sorry that some people enjoy fiction stories
@@jtym_0720 😱 REALLY? NO WAY 🤯
DONT LET DISNEY NERF HIM
Revan & the Old Republic: *Exists*
Disney: "NOOOO LET'S DO REY SHITWALKER!!"
@@Malgus_SWTOR you mean Rey Palpatine
@@mikeoxlong9232 nah she's not even a Palpatine
Nor skywalker
@@mikeoxlong9232Rey Pissatine
Revan gets strength, nihilus has no strength
Nihilus will literally get slapped by him in a 1v1 that’s why it took multiple Jedi, masters, and Sith masters to bring him down
@@JohnJohn-bz1lqNihilus would just drain him if Revan couldn't resist. That's the biggest problem; no one can get close enough to Nihilus to fight him. The only reason he was defeated was because he was attacked by another wound in the force who had better combat skills
Nihilus wins as only another force wound could counter him or defeat him as Kotor 2 stated plus he was more powerful than revan but yes revan was wiser but probably would have known approaching nihilus would of ended in his death as nihilus kills anything in his mere presence and no meetra surik wasn't a better duelist than nihilus he mainly fell due to trying to drain her but as she's like him she was immune but also due to visas betrayal and cutting the bond is ultimately how he fell but ultimately he survived telios 4 just couldn't physically manifest himself anymore he's immortal remember so can return given the right circumstances
Revan is like "the first Grey Jedi"
More what i would call a balanced jedi, he use both light and dark side in such a balanced way he not a sith or a jedi.
what about Jolee Bindo
Nah. He definitely is one tho. It's not the use of both spectrums (not easy at all) but his refusal to follow the high council that makes him Gray btw.
He was what Anakin could have been.
@@gabesarti7184 very true
“Revan was power, it was like looking into the heart of the force”
Brooo i swear to god we need a whole series about all of the old syth
Disney will find some way to f it up
Darth Jar Jar enters the chat
Reven re-enters the chat after cutting Malala jaw off again
@@RandomMackem0069 revan trying to run away from darth jar jar but not escape
Anyways darth jar jar is a theory it might be true or not true
@@Cos-mos0 Darth jar jar has no feats so he’s worthless
@@RandomMackem0069 Yousa say WHAT now!? *ignites lightsaber*
So this is the only Darth Sith that could beat the Sith Emperor himself
Не победить, а сдерживать на протяжении 300 лет
No
he got defeated by him lol
Dark empire sidious beats revan
I love Revan but I think Darth Vitiate could kill him
Revan taught the modern sith, from bane all the way to sidious, every force ability, every strategy, everything they knew. Revan only lost to vitiate because Bastila got killed. In the novel revan had vitiate on the back peddle during the light saber duel, force power, raw power vitiate beat revan. It was only when he was distracted by her death was when vitiate was able to subdue him with and extremely powerful force storm.
Como em todas as histórias de personagens fortes e incríveis, Revan acabou derrotado pelo amor, pela morte de sua amada.
not quite so, there was not Bastila, but his friend and student, although she is still a close person.
But Revan could still defeat him. There were many reasons, the memory had not yet fully returned, exhaustion, he was weakened, and his enemy was at his base still shrouded in the dark side of the force, while Revan could still win, the fight was worthy.
anyway they won in the end
Revan played a huge role in defeating him.
“Darth tyranius”
*count dooku has left the chat*
Edit: ma bad folks
Darth Tyranus IS Count Dooku, unless you are talking about the spelling mistake
Darth t-rex
@@arslan7108
I think he meant something along the lines of Darth Tyranus killing Count Dooku the same way Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker.
@@rahulbansal2t rex is 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
@@GameslordXY in this edit only the sith names, In logic of that guy we must see not vader
Tulak Hord and Exar Kun laughing in the corner
And then there is the immortal Sith emperor who revan couldn’t kill
Но Реван с ним почти на равных сражался
Emperor Vitiate...
To be fair, vitiate is arguably the most powerful sith lord in all of star wars
@@faron163 no 😂
Darth vitiate one of the most powerful sith Lords of the old republic
Revan: "Im gonna stab you nihilus!"
Nihilus: *A b s o r b s*
nah
Wow this is honestly awesome edit. You earned a sub. I wish there were more edits like this
Darth gonk: Hold ma beer
Everything in the galaxy: leaves the chat
This is awesome
The difference between Revan and almost every other dark side user is that almost all of them use the dark side either because they are born into it, or because they are too weak to resist it. Revan is like Legends Luke. And is probably the sole Jedi to ever live that could oppose Legends Luke in a straight up fight. To him, the dark side was a means to an end. And falling to the dark side was a sacrifice, not a thing he wanted to do for personal gain. AND he eventually managed to rise back.
According to him: Revan > All Star Wars
Revan Vs tulak hord will be a interesting fight
Tulak hord would stomp High diff
@@halftendedifiebf1741 Sure? Tulak is obviusly superior with the saber, but with the force, revan is superior.
@@marcianogordo2032actually Tulak also had a force... like he figure out essence transfer on his own .
Это все равно что смотреть в сердце силы.
Wow a edit channel that actually escalates the difficulties instead of doing it arbitrarily
Darth Vader vs Darth Revan Would Be The Most Epic And Intense Fights Scene In The Entire Star Wars History
He cut Darth Malik‘s jaw off before Malik could even fully attack him
Literal darkness vs literal grey in a nutshell. One who embodies the full darkside, one whom embodies both at the same time. A grand master of one, the master of both. Two warriors right there unmatched in their time.
Finally someone who knows revan
Not true you fanboy and he is just revan fanboy 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
No this is just another fanboy
@@igornagonski8215 no revan is op
@@2_fast_4_Yu so you are just another revan fanboy
@@igornagonski8215 maybe I am cope everyone's a fanboy of someone like the good 50% who are just fanboys of anakin and luke 💀
Canonicly Nihilus was terrified of Revan
Revan encore et pour toujours le goat de Star Wars, il est l'incarnation du personnage parfait 🗿
When it comes to the debate of Revan and Vader, I see Revan as what Vader/Anakin could have been if he was able to reach his full potential. They also share many similar character traits as well.
Revan is the example of what Revan should have strived to be someone who wants to learn who is powerful because he earns it not because he is naturally gifted
I’m sorry but Vader not being in extreme is crazy to me
Revan's lightning is what gets vader here.
Seeing as it can hit from multiple angles and there is *a lot* of it
Bruh Revan would clap Vader in 2 seconds 😂😂
if vader is extreme diff malgus has to be aswell
Lol
Obi-Wan clap Anakin and Vader twice 💀
You gotta remember that Vader isn't at full power like he was as anakin
The only way Revan beats Nihilus is if he can, like the Exile, negate Nihilus' Drain but given how Revan studied the Sith texts at the Trayus Academy, I'd say he'd definitely have a chance. I also think a fight between Revan and Sidious would end up with both of them dead or 1 bowing to the other in order to stab him in the back later on.
in fact
I don’t think Revan can. See, I think Nihlus only had his hunger beaten by The Exile because The Exile is a wound in the force.
It doesn’t make sense to try feed from the force of someone who isn’t recognised by the force. It’s the result of the war that Nihlus & The Exile are so powerful but also why they’re both wounds in the force.
Kreia says ingame that these techniques can only be learnt by those who have experienced being force ate. I’m not sure Revan has had such a traumatising event happen to him. I’m sure it would’ve heavily corrupted him.
@@Echani3007 Oh yeah I get all that. What I'm saying is the Exile had an innate ability to be able to defeat Nihilus. I think Revan could have learned of Nihilus' weaknesses without becoming a wound in the Force given enough time and material.
he would of beat vitiate easily if vitiate wasn’t on the planet of Dromund Kass, which multiplied vitiates power,stated in kotor, also revan had just broken out of prison 3 days before fighting vitiate where he was tortured for 300 years straight. on equal grounds on a normal planet revan beats nihilus high/extreme diff
Darth Nihilus was know for centries as the strongest sith
Finally someone who is not a movie-only and doesn't worship Palpatine and Vader
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Fr. George Lucas said palpatine the strongest sith but like... what did he do? He killed plagueis but it wasn't even in a proper fight it was while plagueis was drunk and asleep. Palpatines only big feet is his iq other then beating maul and savage easy. And setting up the clone wars which palpatine barely did most of it was dooku and grevious ngl. Then he died so easily in rotj. Revan is too op dor canon so i think that is why they made him jot canon then said palpatine was the strongest.
@@jaymessmoyer340 Since we're all going off Legends continuity Palpatine was capable of controlling Force Storms which were space anomalies that could be used a Force wormholes. He could you them to obliterate ships and even travel across the galaxy. The problem is the technique is highly dangerous, and the slightest loss in concentration could kill the user. This is how one of Palptine's clone bodies was killed at the end of the first part of Dark Empire.
I highly recommend that story because it takes what was shitty about the sequels and runs circles around those movies. Those books also laid the foundation of the Tales of the Jedi comics which were essentially the beginning of the Old Republic era in media. Dark Empire gets a lot of flack for it's premise, but it handles it really well in terms of execution, which is more important than the premise.
Here's the gist of it so spoiler warning if you're interested and haven't read it or listened to the audio drama that's really good.
Basically Palpatine had plans to restructure the Empire so that he could usher in a new era of open practice of the dark side. He reorganizes at the center of the galaxy, and amasses power their since that's where all his resources were (Exegol bing in the Unknown Regions was fucking dumb, and Byss is a much better location).
Luke doesn't actually fall to the dark side. He's essentially doing his same plan from ROTJ, but this time Anakin isn't there to save him from death, so he gets in way over his head and gets too deep. Leia gets a bigger role and this story basically puts her closer to Luke's level, and they are able to defeat Palptine.
The whole story is about Luke realizing that he isn't the only hope, and that he doesn't have to sacrifice himself to save the galaxy. Basically it's the sequel trilogy if Anakin's sacrifice wasn't in vain (Luke actually revives the Jedi Order), and Luke isn't character assassinated because you actually get to see the build up.
This was longer than I expected, but I really wanted to help flex the fact that one of Legends supposedly worst stories is leagues better than Disney canon.
@@jaymessmoyer340 +the statement about palpatine being the strongest sith was BEFORE revan was introduced so it couldve changed
@@jaymessmoyer340 Even then, Revan's manipulations make Palpatine look like an idiot in comparison. Intentionally creating wounds in the force to mass convert Jedi to the dark side is genius.
Force is reven he was the heart of the force
Love Revan, but no.
@@WooolyBullyyes and is fact
Thank you man for making a Darth revan vid this mad me happy inside 😊
He’s a badass
A lot of people say Sidious is better than Revan but they forget who killed Mandalore The Great.
No. The same as saying that Vader would not be able to defeat Polpatin. And Revan was in top shape and used his strength as a Jedi and as a Sith to the fullest, so the battle would have been epic, but he would have defeated him.
Ok so, this is some legends sources
Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
Source: The New Essential Chronology
Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.
Source: Vader: The Ultimate Guide
Emperor Zaarin? The idea isn't as ludicrous as it sounds. Demetrius Zaarin gambled everything on an audacious coup d'état and nearly killed the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known.
Source: Insider #66: Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals
The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed.
Source: Death Star
His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith.
Source: Force & Destiny
Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side.
Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook
Meet Darth Sidious - the most powerful Sith Master who ever lived.
Source: Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice
Finally - the Emperor - who should be fighting to save the Republic - is revealed as the most powerful and menacing Sith of all!
Source: The Sith (Revenge of the Sith Collection, 2005)
Palpatine could destroy entire worlds or fleet at the other end of the galaxy, without too much effort, thanks to its Force Storms.
""When the Empire forged boldly into the Deep Core under Emperor Palpatine's decree, the Emperor quickly chose the planet Byss as his personal resort world. When the Imperial claim to the Deep Core was established and loyal followers flocked to the new frontier, Palpatine made sure to draw the most eager and blissfully ignorant nobles and leaders to Byss. Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments.""
""Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations."
Source : Byss and the Deep Core
(So during his reign, wherever he was, Palpatine was draining life energy from the people of Byss (19.7 billion according to The Essential Atlas), Nihilus himself is a child)
When Palpatine died, it took the spirits of every Jedi in history to sustain him in the afterlife.
To come back to life, Palpatine had to come back from Chaos, something almost impossible (Exar Kun, for example, is one of the very few who managed to do so. By the way, find out about Exar Kun too, he rolls without too much trouble on Darth Revan and will only find real difficulty against Revan Redeemed)
etc. etc. You still have a long way to go in Legends
People also seem to forget revan got ragrolled by vitiate. Sidious low difs revan. Better duelist and strongest force user. There is not a simgle thing revan can do better than sidious
@@Ozzyanto Yes, absolutely !
@@Ozzyanto you don't know Revan do your research
I loved this
Tulak Horde: Comes in
Revan: Why do I hear boss music?
Darth Vitiate has entered the chat
Darth traya has enterd the chat
Reven reborn has entered the chat
@@RandomMackem0069 *revan reborn loses*
@@Cos-mos0 revan reborn negs
This despite the fact that the only one he was afraid of was Revan, using his knowledge while he was in a state of suspended animation, even then Revan influenced him with his power. It was Revan's actions that were key, one of the most important, and ultimately led to victory. At the time of the battle, Revan was exhausted and weakened, part of his knowledge and memory had not yet been fully restored, and they fought in a place where dark power was concentrated, even then Revan could be able to win, so otherwise everything would have ended more like a battle Vader and Darth Sidious, in the end Revan would have completed his mission anyway. In fact, one way or another, he did it...
I am just gonna say, legends wise Vader and sidious would probably beat revan. Just cause Vader is susceptible to lightning doesn’t mean he’s gonna let himself get hit by it. Sidious in legends is too OP. And also, on paper I am pretty sure nihlus would just be too surprisingly powerful for revan to even start to do anything to negate his force drain. Now revan with prep time, maybe, depends how strong nihlus truly is, but in a random encounter with no prior knowledge of the other, nihlus wins.
Yeah sidious would probably beat all of them but revan would beat most of them except sidious, maybe vader and nihilus
THANK YOU SOMEONE FINALLY SAYS IT! VADER AINT JUST GONNA SIT THERE AND LET PEOPLE USE FORCE LIGHTNING ON HIM!
Of course Vader wouldn't just let someone use force lighting on him. Do remember that Revan can go straight past lightning and into force storm.
@@darthdisabilities193 It aint that easy. Blocking lightning isn't just raising your lightsaber. It takes a great amount of strength depending on the one using the lighting. This is even canon as displayed from live action. For example, obi wan blocked dooku, but dooku didn't master it. In ROTS, though, Windu clearly is in pain when blocking lighting from sidious, because his lighting is very powerful.
You simply don’t know how strong revan is. Revan would 2v1 Vader and sidious.
Vitiate on his way to humble Revan again: 🏃♂️
This despite the fact that the only one he was afraid of was Revan, using his knowledge while he was in a state of suspended animation, even then Revan influenced him with his power. It was Revan's actions that were key, one of the most important, and ultimately led to victory. At the time of the battle, Revan was exhausted and weakened, part of his knowledge and memory had not yet been fully restored, and they fought in a place where dark power was concentrated, even then Revan could be able to win, so otherwise everything would have ended more like a battle Vader and Darth Sidious, in the end Revan would have completed his mission anyway. In fact, one way or another, he did it..
@@denswill i mean, he did beat revan twice
@@Lordmegs132 in fact one, and then at that moment Revan did not have all his strength, and Vitate tried to hit his allies. Revan could well repeat the ritual of draining power from others and be like Vitat, but this is not the way of Revan, if they had not fought on the planet of Vitiata, where dark power prevailed due to his murder rituals, then Revan could even defeat him without any problems, maybe it could be like in the battle of Vader against Palpatine, Revan would have arranged it differently from Vitait, as in the case of the one who broke his jaw.
In general, their confrontation looks like Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty, reminiscent of a film with Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes: a game of shadows.
Dude revan is badass
It's funny how kids assign characters their power level based on how cool they look
Feats from books, same with movies wth are u talking about
Revan is one of if not the most powerful sith, he is a combination of both light and dark sharing one being, his mere presence in cw or in any of the main movies would strike fear into people. He had abilities that modern sith could only dream of.
"Revan was power," is a quote from their first teacher, but Revan couldn't not stop a wound like Nhilius... he is the embodiment of emptiness and he leaves such in his wake. The only reason he is able to be defeated is because the Exile does what she does at the right time
Why doesn't revan get hax he literally came back from the dead bc of spite
ive seen some people say Sidious wins, but u have to remember the only thing that makes him "stronger" is his force storm ablilty. but, think about the fact that in a 1v1 he will not have the time to use it and also revan can use it as well and is capable of directing it to a degree greater then sidious
Or the fact he mastered every single dark side ability to ever exist, to the point he made new abilities on a whim. Also perhaps the ability to drain entire planets and mind control the entire population(Byss), or maybe even the ability to touch millions of minds across any distance of the galaxy. But sure, just the storms.
@@CommanderOfRussia1 revan stomps stfu
@@CommanderOfRussia1 Powers he literally cant use in a real fight and would still get killed because he not that good with a lightsaber, and for all his power he got killed by being thrown down a shaft and did nothing to save himself, because he couldn't.
Even darth bane call him one of the most powerful sith lord to ever reign
Bro you didn’t miss at all🥶🥶
Sidius wins because George said he is the strongest sith lord and the writers word is fact
Bla bla bla revan beats all of them Lucas doesn’t even own Star Wars anymore plus he probably said that because he made palpatine. Revan beats palpatine in every way. I dare you to prove me wrong.
Revan is getting folded by Palpatine.
Doubt
@@benculbertson536 Revan lost to a si gle blast of Vitiates lightning. Palpatines base lightning can blister the surface of planets.
Palpatine wins low diff.
@@thefunnymofo7857 Vitiate, the one who makes Palpatine look like a toddler? Yeah, I'm still going with Revan on this one seeing as Valkorion can wipe a planet of life within seconds if he really wanted to put his mind to it.
Aside from Vitiate and full potential Anakin, and maybe Grandmaster Luke, there really isn't anyone close to or better than Revan, especially we very rarely see Palpatine (I'm trying to keep Palpatine in line with how Lucas saw him, as a very strong Sith Lord who's main flaw was thinking he was better than he really was).
In terms of raw force power, I actually might concede that Sidious/Palpatine is stronger. However, we saw Sidious get literally ragdolled by Vader after Vader was already injured. Yes, Vader blindsided him, but if Sidious is oh-so-powerful, how could he not sense Vader's unease, why did he not suspect this betrayal? Vitiate would have from a million light years away. It lends more credence to Revan soloing Sidious, to the point where I would think Grandmaster Luke would be a far more difficult opponent.
@benculbertson536 You don't know what you are talking about lol.
Every one of Vitiates high tier feats was because of Zildrog and rituals. Every single one. The one time he wasn't fully prepped, he got trapped in Sel Makor and needed the Wraths assistance to get out.
Palpatine has higher feats and doesn't need either of them. He passively absorbed a planet from across the galaxy without a ritual, the highest absorption feat in the verse.
He presence brings the literal Dark side with him as he is s a living dark side nexus, his force storms can be opened from anywhere in the galaxy, and again with no.prep his Sith Sorcery was able to break into a tineless place, he escaped Star Wars hell on pure will alone.
It isn't even close, Vitiate in all his forms loses unless he has massive prep time. I haven't even mentioned his physical feats. Vitiate is outscaled in every area except wisdom and intellect, and even then it is close. 2k years of life only to lose to someone not even 100.
@@thefunnymofo7857 Yeah, you have no clue what you’re talking about. Whatever, just another Palps fanboy.
Revan top 1
Fanboy
@@igornagonski8215 Nah, anyone saying Sidious has a decent chance in combat is a fanboy. Same thing as the people who say Sidious would legitimately be able to beat Vader if Vader truly broke through the mental block of being subservient to Palpatine and "needing" him.
All day
Revan was incredibly powerful. He was the Sith that paved the way for all other sith. He was very smart in battles. He was incredibly wise as well. He created plans better than Sidious.
George Lucas said that Sidious is the strongest Sith ever.
George Lucas literally has no place for KOTOR. Also, aside from his mastermind planning, speed, and trickery, which actually makes him strong?
@@OutOfIdeas9977 His force powers
@@user-tj3to6ps9tthe only strong force power, (that I know from Sidious) is what? Force Storm?
@@OutOfIdeas9977 Idk, I didn't say that, George Lucas did.
The issue with that is forces users in the old republic era don’t qualify as sith or jedi at their most powerful
Revan being one of them
Even Exar kun someone even Luke after dark empire says is more powerful then anyone he has ever encountered that would include Sidious
Revan is stated to be above Exar in force power and potential
And Revan is stated could rival or even defeat vitiate even in a weakened state
Let alone his prime
And Exar vitiate and Revan don’t qualify as true sith at their most powerful but beyond the sith
So when people say Sidious is the most powerful sith fine
But it doesn’t apply to them at their strongest
Revan: every edgy teenager's favorite overrated oc.
Revan is a legend!
Fanboy
Greatest sith lord revan
@The BearWhat? What are you talking about? What do you mean? Why did you write this here?
Revan: powerful Jedi turned Greatest Sith Lord eventually became a Jedi Grandmaster. it's like looking into the heart of force
Revan is the force
@RealDutchBearhe was killed by Vader, he was disabled. Luke did not do this, but he could have, but this is how he brought his father back from the dark side. what will someone in much better shape do to Palpatine, like Revan? all these measures change according to the need of the plot, which was more interesting, so forget it, but logically speaking, this is also not the case.
I have to admit. Revan is a strong combatant but he'll lose to Sidious. Remember Sidious was the chosen one of the dark side of the force. Also, Sidious midi chlorian rate was slightly higher than Yoda I believe?
thing about nihilus was he was an actual tear in the force and whilst his dueling abilities weren’t nearly as good as revan his force abilities were his prime power point. Just becuase he was able to drain entire planets dosent mean he was as good of a duelist and or sith warrior as revan was
Sidious would be the hardest challenge for revan but he wins by sheer skill
Facts. Revan was on a completely different level than most if not all the movie characters. The galaxy has not seen such power since his death. He was the only one to actually cause Tenebrae, the most powerful force entity to ever exist, real fear
Almost all the jedi and sith that appeared in the movies would one shot revan.
Not true you fanboy
can someone explain the low mid and high diff thing i never understand what they mean
Low= probably a easy fight.
Mid=Normal Not hard but not easy.
Hard=The two Fighting Is very close Between them But winner ıs stronger.
I don't think Revan can win this one, I mean Nihilus would kill him in a heartbeat using drain
And Exile is very individual one
No. The same as saying that Vader would not be able to defeat Polpatin, and Vader would be able to defeat Nihilus. And Revan was in top shape and used his strength as a Jedi and as a Sith to the fullest, so the battle would have been epic, but he would have defeated him.
Darth Sidius negs
Feels like Nihilus would eat Revan from miles away, Revan force power is big enough for Nihilus to smell his prey
Ah yes it seems that I have encountered another Nihilus MEATRIDER
Eh palpatine wins high diff vs revan in episode 3, de palpatine wins low-mid diff.
Sidious wins
ok
Keep telling yourself that
Depends if revan can get closed nihilus has no chance even if he had 10 light saber cause he's trash at dueling but if revan get force drained he's done for, I think only Skywalker bloodline is immune to force drain but am not sure if revan reborn is immune or not
Force drain can be resisted by anyone stronger than the drainer to my knowledge.
@@dreemurrprince normal force drain yes but Nihilus force drain was special because he was a wound in the force. If Metra wasn't a wound herself and didn't stoped him , Nihilus would destroy/eat everything
@@dangi6516 he definitely was a wound, but from what I understand it doesn’t change his force drain.
@@dreemurrprince it change , he was a force black hole like even just being in his presence kills people very slowly .
@@dangi6516 Yes, it became a thing where he naturally would just do it to those around him, i don’t see how that removes the “stronger = not work” weakness
The most factual edit I’ve seen, W
Darth Revan is my fav, he's really strong, people just don't know
His Swordmanship in lightsaber duels, his connection to the force.
You should have replaced nihilus with palpatine. Because according to George Lucas he is the most powerful sith lord to have ever existed.
I think sidious would beat him but nihilus, vader and bane would give him a run for his money too
@@Philip54622 that's true.👍
Cap
Most powerful is vader. Because palpatine himself said there is no other sith before him so strong than he is. Even tell yoda vader will become more powerful than they both together.
@@alexjassir5847 that's true, but this was before Anakin was severly damaged/crippeld. Becaus of his separated limbs, Vader lost nearly 40% of his force potential. He is a skillfull duelist, a deadly opponent, BUT he only reach 80% of the power of the Emperor.
Balance in the force
Fanboy
Impressive! I've never seen a more perfect Star Wars strength comparison!
one thing, Vader can't be weaker than Palpatine, Vader beat Palpatine.
Agree, the top is well done
Palpatine es el segundo ser mas poderoso despues del elegido, revan es un personaje de un videojuego nada mas, si disney creara un personaje como revan, starkiller todos estarian llorando por romper el canon
Revan was like looking at the heart of the force
How? He is weak
*Darth Krayt has entered the chat*
darth krayt vs revan would be insane but reborn revan would win
@@x-052 couldn’t spirit Krayt beat reborn Revan
@@zoom9266 they never fought
@@x-052 yea Ik I just meant like hypothetically if it was spirit Krayt vs reborn Revan I think spirit Krayt would win
@@zoom9266 wong krayt demolishes. Even abeloth krayt
Darth Sidious is the most Powerful according to George Lucas
Everyone wants to use this excuse give me actual evidence don’t be lazy
It isn’t a excuse because it is right since he is the creator of Star Wars not you
@@JohnnyCheddar Hey, this is some evidences for you ;)
Ok so, this is some legends sources
Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
Source: The New Essential Chronology
Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.
Source: Vader: The Ultimate Guide
Emperor Zaarin? The idea isn't as ludicrous as it sounds. Demetrius Zaarin gambled everything on an audacious coup d'état and nearly killed the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known.
Source: Insider #66: Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals
The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed.
Source: Death Star
His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith.
Source: Force & Destiny
Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side.
Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook
Meet Darth Sidious - the most powerful Sith Master who ever lived.
Source: Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice
Finally - the Emperor - who should be fighting to save the Republic - is revealed as the most powerful and menacing Sith of all!
Source: The Sith (Revenge of the Sith Collection, 2005)
Palpatine could destroy entire worlds or fleet at the other end of the galaxy, without too much effort, thanks to its Force Storms.
""When the Empire forged boldly into the Deep Core under Emperor Palpatine's decree, the Emperor quickly chose the planet Byss as his personal resort world. When the Imperial claim to the Deep Core was established and loyal followers flocked to the new frontier, Palpatine made sure to draw the most eager and blissfully ignorant nobles and leaders to Byss. Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments.""
""Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations."
Source : Byss and the Deep Core
(So during his reign, wherever he was, Palpatine was draining life energy from the people of Byss (19.7 million according to The Essential Atlas), Nihilus himself is a child)
When Palpatine died, it took the spirits of every Jedi in history to sustain him in the afterlife.
To come back to life, Palpatine had to come back from Chaos, something almost impossible (Exar Kun, for example, is one of the very few who managed to do so. By the way, find out about Exar Kun too, he rolls without too much trouble on Darth Revan and will only find real difficulty against Revan Redeemed)
etc. etc. You still have a long way to go in Legends
Thank you, Solar
@@JohnnyCheddar You're welcome
It's been a long time since I came across a nest of Revanites, I didn't miss it
revan beats malak low diff he literally was messing with him and took his jaw
Not quite malek is a better dueler than revan but his force abilities can’t compete
Revan would have Palpatine shitting himself.
As if revan would stand a chance against Vader or Sidious 😂😂😂
Naw darth sidious takes that one by atleast a land slide
Another sidious fanboy get out revan claps sidious in every way
Cap have u even watched star wars
@@florida_man11 cap and sidious isn't my favourite character I'm saying the obvious lol
I'm guessing this is Legends based.
If that's the case Vader and Sidious absolutely demolish Revan.
Ehm no
A big mistake your comment mate!
Revan shall give them a pretty good fight
@@agus08l Against Legends Vader? Probably, but against Legends Palpatine? Not even close. Legends Palpatine outscales him by a lot.
@@RequisTheDemigod i said good fight, not win
@@agus08l My point is that against Sidious it wouldn’t be a “good fight”, it would be a massacre, Sidious outscales him by a lot in every aspect.
sidious beat him high diff the other are fax
Everyone with sidious give me fax not opinions I want proof. Convince me
@@florida_man11 ???????????????
@@florida_man11 Some proof (there are others)
Ok so, this is some legends sources
Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
Source: The New Essential Chronology
Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.
Source: Vader: The Ultimate Guide
Emperor Zaarin? The idea isn't as ludicrous as it sounds. Demetrius Zaarin gambled everything on an audacious coup d'état and nearly killed the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known.
Source: Insider #66: Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals
The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith who had ever existed.
Source: Death Star
His power may be unparalleled in the history of the Sith.
Source: Force & Destiny
Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side.
Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook
Meet Darth Sidious - the most powerful Sith Master who ever lived.
Source: Darth Maul, Sith Apprentice
Finally - the Emperor - who should be fighting to save the Republic - is revealed as the most powerful and menacing Sith of all!
Source: The Sith (Revenge of the Sith Collection, 2005)
Palpatine could destroy entire worlds or fleet at the other end of the galaxy, without too much effort, thanks to its Force Storms.
""When the Empire forged boldly into the Deep Core under Emperor Palpatine's decree, the Emperor quickly chose the planet Byss as his personal resort world. When the Imperial claim to the Deep Core was established and loyal followers flocked to the new frontier, Palpatine made sure to draw the most eager and blissfully ignorant nobles and leaders to Byss. Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments.""
""Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations."
Source : Byss and the Deep Core
(So during his reign, wherever he was, Palpatine was draining life energy from the people of Byss (19.7 billion according to The Essential Atlas), Nihilus himself is a child)
When Palpatine died, it took the spirits of every Jedi in history to sustain him in the afterlife.
To come back to life, Palpatine had to come back from Chaos, something almost impossible (Exar Kun, for example, is one of the very few who managed to do so. By the way, find out about Exar Kun too, he rolls without too much trouble on Darth Revan and will only find real difficulty against Revan Redeemed)
etc. etc. You still have a long way to go in Legends
Actually, nihilus is technically invincible by any user of the force since he absorbs their energy to live. The only reason why he doesn’t rule the universe is because as kreia said, it’s not a power that can be controlled, he just absorbs life in order to stay alive but not intentionally
I wanna see a Revan vs Nihilus fight.... oh god that would be something to behold.
Thanks for not underestimating revan. The only one who might be tie is nihulus but I think revan is better with everything but force
im suprised revan won considering your pfp
Because he know the truth
Bro is the definition of a revan fanboy Lmao
bro u even know who was revan? u know the history?? did u play the game?
did u know who is revan? u know the entire history of revan? u play the game????
@@miguelangelvelasquez6891 Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Revan is not the god of the Star Wars verse, half the characters in this list ratio him
@@miguelangelvelasquez6891 Nox fucking destroyed him twice.
@@Gamer-gv7xnthere no god in star wars , Raven would destroyer ur mom
If we’re talking DUELING than Dooku wipes the floor with Revan. Dooku is canonically the greatest duelist due to his mastery of Form II: Makashi.
But that’s the thing revan has feats of beating people who are superior duelist
revan’s mastery is the 6th form the moderation form
It has no weakness yet not strength
Revan uses it to measure his opponents so when he figures out their weakness he focuses on that
His mindset is
“Winning isn’t about being better, it’s finding your opponents weakness then exploiting it”
Dooku’s weakness is he can’t tank a head in assault from someone skilled and strong
Revan is skilled and stronger then he looks according to everyone he has fought
If Revan can keep up with dooku in a duel he doesn’t have to match his swordsman ship he has to presses a his counters into an aggressive offense dooku can’t defend against
@@ATalesTruth- Of course Dooku can defend a hand on assault, Dooku himself isn’t a very strong guy, you think he wouldn’t do anything about that? Any strike an opponent makes, Makashi allows to perfectly parry with minimum effort. The only way to beat Makashi is to outlast your opponent, but Dooku has extreme endurance. Of course Revan has a weakness, his lack of a strength is weakness in it of itself. Dooku can capitalize off that by dominating him in things that Revan is just ok in and destroy him. Not only do I think Dooku would win, I think he would wipe the floor with Revan.
@@AdamFrisch1 well revan is actually strong and his stamina is off the charts
If anything revan can last just as long as dooku
The idea of dooku being stronger physically implies he actually bull doses his way to victory
He doesn’t
Also dooku vs Anakin is a prime example of what I mean when dooku can’t handle a front full assault
As Anakin in all their fights in the clone wars past season 3 is having dooku on the back foot
Revan is a lot like dooku
The biggest advantage revan has is adaptability and endurance
Dooku’s biggest advantage is his fence and composure to his form
The only way you can say dooku wins is if he can’t keep up in a fight
As again Revan doesn’t have to a be a better duelist to win a duel he just has to figure dooku out to exploit his weakness which revan said he can master fighting an opponent on first encounter
@@ATalesTruth- The reason Dooku lost vs Anakin in ROTS is because Palpatine told him to so that Anakin could kill him and become his apprentice. I really think you’re overrating Revan here, and enough with the “Form 6 Moderation Form” most Jedi use Form 6 y’know and Dooku has killed a LOT of Jedi. In the clone wars series, I can’t recall when Anakin actually beat Dooku, I remember one of them usually having to run away to go take care of something else, and the reason Dooku was always on the defense is because that’s literally what Form 2 is designed to do, force your opponent to use up all his energy. Plus, Anakin is an offensive person, so both were just playing to their strengths. And again, it is universally held that Dooku is the most powerful duelist, I don’t care how good Revan is compared to people who were better than him, it just wouldn’t be enough.
@@AdamFrisch1 see I agree revan is overrated by a lot of People
At the same time I think you underestimate him by that extension
It’s your screwed other-way
It’s a case in people thinking revan is one of the best their not wrong
But thinking he beats the absolute best is wrong
Thinking Revan is say weaker then obi wan that’s wrong
Thinking he is stronger then sidious that’s also wrong
It’s a case you have to look at him objectively
In show he is very much like starkiller someone who has potential but never actually reached it in life and was considered OP regardless by many
Into the discussion
Anakin beating dooku there are a lot of people who interpret the fight differently
Some say Anakin beat dooku fair and square some say dooku was instructed to lose
Again your screwed either way because the interpretation can be seen in either case
As for you saying dooku beat people with form 6
The issue with your argument is the Jedi of the prequel era dooku said don’t even respect the lightsaber and lost the proper skill and respect that comes with the blade
Not to mention the reason most form 6 users are shit in the prequels
Because they use form 6 without mastering all the other forms
Form 6 is only effective you mastered the fundamentals of every form down to second nature
If you use it and don’t have every formed mastered down to a T
Then you are mediocre
Revan did however master all the forms which is why him using from 6 is not a hindrance as you seem to say it is
Only few people who used form 6 mastered all the forms
Even Exar kun used form 6 and never lost a duel
Point is don’t say the form is shit just because the prequel era Jedi wanted to be modern yet didn’t master anything
Also form 2 is not designed for defense
That’s form 3 that obi won specialized in
Form 2 specializes in 1v1 swordplay focusing on footwork and finesse with the blade
Don’t get basic facts wrong
Also “powerful duelist”
You mean best duelist
You can be powerful and someone less powerful then you can be a better at a sword
Dooku is held at being the best of the order at the Time
Because the whole point of dooku is he actually cares about lightsaber combat trying to bring his skill to the level of the sith were to return he be ready to fight them. Blade to blade
Where 99% of Jedi didn’t even prepare for blade to blade convey due to the 1000 years of peace with no sith
Basically the Jedi didn’t practice for 1000 years in blade to blade combats
It’s why dooku lost respect for the Jedi training methods
With only councils members dooku considered barely competent
The issue if you saying revan isn’t good enough
When the whole point of his character is he loses him memories and his training yet relearned everything in such a rate he surpassed the Jedi and sith of his era
Also to mention revan never actually lost a 1v1 duel in the old republic
Revan was either ambushed outnumbered or betrayed
He was described as being the greatest warrior in his age
This would include Exar to an extent because Exar died 2 years before Revan was born
And was already said to be the most powerful Jedi and sith in generations
Exar regardless if you consider when he was alive or his spirit form
Revan would be around his level regardless especially since he is stated to be capable of rivaling or being just as powerful as vitaite
Yes he never reached said power in life
Yet it’s still a indicator of his power
With other even other faction in Star Wars outside the Jedi and sith calling revan the best warrior they ever seen
And revan beating Malak someone said to be a better swordsman twice through skill and cunning on top of being almost as good in blade to blade
Yes I think revan as he stands when he is alive would lose to say Vader or Sidious
But he is one of those video game characters like starkiller
Where both have the potential to be on the level of their respective emperors get their ass kicked by them and still be admired and seen as potential equals
As that’s is where revan ranks accurately
I even say a fight between him and star killer is a toss up
And even I get starkiller is overrated
But people underrate him for the same respect
Being a video game character makes people not look at everything
Nihlius was legit so bro and so was Revan like how they come out with some of the most busted characters is wild