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You should reach out to Brad from trail recon and see if his Jeep had the same issues with the DEF. I feel like I’ve heard him mention it before
I spoke with the deals, what needs to happen is Chrysler needs to have millions of complains and maybe a few lawsuits before they make corrections or changes. Your laws might be different than CA, but if I have to take into service for more than twice for the same thing and the Jeeps hits at the dealer for 30 days, then I can lemon law it.
I think it is cool that you are completely honest about the Jeep. Many online feel obligated to always be positive. Being fully transparent is appreciated!
Thanks! Just trying to keep it real. When you see something I like you'll know it's authentic as well.
Basically the d e f system sucks and don't go 4 wheeling
Nice vid 👍🏻. We have a 2020 EcoDiesel JL as well. I’m just S of u in Idaho. This summer I noticed the temp of the coolant creeping up high. I didn’t have the engine decrease power, but I didn’t like the temp increase.
An old trick my dad taught me worked: make sure the a/c is off and crank your heater to full hot, full fan with all vents open. Keep the Windows down, unless u like hanging out in an oven😁. In about 2 minutes , my coolant temp dropped about 10°F. It’s not the best feeling in the cab when it’s 100°F outside😆, but with the windows down, it’s tolerable (and just temporary). I only used the trick while climbing over a mountain pass.
It May be enough to let You keep up with the group, keeping the engine at full power, and keep the coolant temp down 👊🏻.
Using your heater core this way is like adding another radiator to expel extra heat while working the engine.
Great Info. Just got our 2021 EcoDiesel Gladiator Rubicon a month ago. With only 800 miles on it, we set off on a two week vacation pulling a 19’ Aluminum Boat. Pulled a couple passes and was in the desert heat (85-95 degrees) all of the trip. Knocking on wood, had no problems at all. Didn’t have any idea on the cost of oil changes, glad we are a part of the dealer program and the 1st 5 of them are included. I subscribed and will keep following your updates and post if we run into any issues.
Thanks for the update on your end. I have just over 4100 miles on my 21 JLURD and the engine has been a true pleasure to drive through the Colorado mountains. I plan on adding 37" Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/Ts (once they arrive) to accompany the Metalcloak 3.5" lift. The MC lift handles the engine weight far better than the stock springs, which I feel like were far too soft. One issue I did have while off-roading near Ouray, CO was running the AC while on the trails in 4 Low. It caused the power steering to throw an error of decreased performance due to heat issues several times. Mind you, this was stock, except for the Falcon 2.1 steering stabilizer on soft.
Casey, thanks for the up date. I purchased a 2021 JWURD and have about 2000 miles on it. I haven't done much off roading yet. Im still getting it ready to go out there. Im going to lead the running gear stock to get a feeling for what it can do before I start upgrading wheels and tires. I want to compare the handling as I make upgrades. I watch most if not all your videos. Keep up the good work.
My diesel is supposed to arrive this week and I’m pretty excited. And yes, load on the engine effects DEF is consumed at a higher rate. I’d put it in the same category as gas. Always bring extra, never be unprepared. But once I get mine I’ll be starting my own channel and will be doing intervals reviews on the truck. And as someone who grew up around 1 ton diesels, oil changes have never been cheap. But damn son are they fun to drive! Happy trails, Casey!
I have the Eco diesel also. I appreciate your videos on the subject. I'm not 100% with it yet for the reasons you bring to light. Please keep up the good work.
Are you experiencing any of the issues Casey is mentioning here? Thanks
Hey Casey, great channel.
Just wanted to share with you
I had the same issue here in europe with my diesel 2018 jeep jlu regarding the def warnings. The issue was with the def tank and its sensors not working. Took 9 month to get a replacment tank from Italy but once changed i have no more def issues.
I tow a 5500lb camper behind my Gladiator Eco-Diesel sport lifted 3.5” and 37’s. Over the summer I was towing up a small grade in about 92/93 degree weather and all of a sudden I lost power for a couple mins. It genuinely scared me as I had zero idea what was wrong, but I got over the hill and started down and power came back. I never figured out why and it never happened again so I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it in a previous video. So now I know what to look for. Thanks for this video!
P.S. I’ve got just under 10k miles on mine and I’m about to go put my 4th Def fluid jug in. It tows WAY better than I would have expected with my setup but it just guzzles def fluid while doing it.
Lots of torque for sure on these.
Really informative and helpful, great work Casey. Good tip on the Pennzoil 5W-40, we'll be stocking up since our Jeep Wave credits are running out soon 🤙🤙
Glad I haven't had ANY of the issues you have had with your diesel Wrangler. I enjoy mine so much, I will be ordering a 2022 diesel JT soon as the new options drop.
Great informative video Casey this is what currently has me on the fence on what to do when the lease is up on my current 2020 3.6 Gladiator. I hear nothing but great things with the eco-diesel power/torque performance. Obviously minus the things you talked about. My worry is after warranty period is over and if one of these emissions system brakes. Wouldn't be too happy having to spend $$$ on emissions sensors or what not. Not really worried with oil change cost even after the 5 free oil changes. I own a V10 M5 so I know that goes.
Thanks for all the info you provide keep the videos coming. I have a 2021 Rubicon diesel with 5k miles on it only issue I’ve had was the def injector that connects into the exhaust got taken out by a truck tire on the expressway.
I've got the eco diesel in a 2016 Grand Cherokee. I've had it back to the dealer 3 times now for EGR recall issues. Once, they kept my Jeep for a week in order to get parts from a dealer in Michigan. Plus, I went through the EPA issue where the fuel economy and performance actually decreased after the reprogramming. I haven't had the Def issue on hot days while climbing grades on the highway. And yes, the oil change is crazy expensive. My wife keeps complaining that the higher diesel cost and oil change cost negates the fuel efficiency gains.
I also have a 2019 Rubicon 2dr with the 3.6L and manual transmission. While the fuel efficiency sucks on the Rubicon, it's still a blast to drive and the oil change costs are 1/3 of the diesel. I'm happy with the 3.6L in the Rubicon and glad I didn't opt for the diesel.
Good info. I will say I pulled my boat (2500lbs) 360ish miles one way across the state of Virginia from the mountains to the Chesapeake Bay there’s two fairly large mountains with long hauls. I was using a 2021 stock jeep wrangler Sahara with the eco diesel and I didn’t have any over heating problems so far but I’ll keep a Close eye on it. This trip is a fairly common trip I do throughout the summer and fall.
Very cool video. Just bought a 2020 EcoDiesel Unlimited Wrangler. Love it. I'm strictly on road so far and found the same regarding the DEF levels. All over the map.
First thank you Casey for your content-the worst thing about horror stories is when numerous people are telling them and you're not the only one that has these issues yet your content with so many others helped me decide to not get the ecodiesel, I settled with the 4cyl 2.0t and was somewhat hesitant but it's gives the right amount of torque and no gremlins thus far.
How is the 4 cyl treating you?
Thanks for another information video on the diesel! I am currently at 10k miles, or 16,100 km, and I have not had many of the issues that you have, likely due to being at a lot lower altitude in the Appalachians.
I keep a small container of def fluid in my Jeep, for peace of mind, when I am in remote locations. This is not only due the issues I have seen with def system but in case I were to puncture the def tank. I could repair with patch or steel putty, then put some def in to hold me over. I plan on putting a skid under it soon.
When available, I may buy the 392 hood with hydro-guide to get enough airflow to avoid overheating. I haven't decided between that or trying to fabricate my own snorkel, since no one seems to want to make one for diesel.
Good call with the extra def small container.
Great Review and this why I even in Germany decided against a Diesel and bought a Jeep where you can fuel Super and Super e10 😉👍
I drive a Semi truck. On my truck I have an auxiliary switch that allows me to manually turn on the engine fan if I need to cool down the engine in the event of overheating conditions. It should be possible to do this on the jeep too. I love your videos Casey and I've watched you for while now. I'm also a fan of The Story Till Now. Thank you for sharing.
Great suggestion, and the Tazer JL Mini lets you do this.
Please keep showing your Wrangler/Rubicon ecodiesel in your videos, the good and the bad. I’m the only guy for a couple hundred miles that has a ecodiesel Wrangler Willy’s edition 3.0L Turbo. You’re such a great source. You’ve helped me learn about my Jeep make decisions on what I’m doing/going to do with mine.
I really appreciate you sharing your experiences and knowledge with all of out here on TH-cam.
I would recommend using amsoil for the oil, also engine coolant and transmission, differentials as well. This stuff makes everything silky smooth.
I have 9k miles on mine bone stock so far and zero issues.... I've been in 112 degree heat this summer in 4 lo and pulling grades out of tahoe which is very steep. Not even a degree change in that heat.... no def issues at all. Seems to burn about average from my experience with def fluid in other vehicles. Absolutely love it! Hope it doesn't have the problems you have had.. oh I have a banks tuner, which is the only upgrade so far since all parts are on back order.
It’s the mods that ruin the vehicle and make it where it won’t cool properly. Ask the car engineers, they will tell you that the vehicle was engineer to work best stock. Any mods the average Joe has little knowledge on how that is going to effect cooling, etc.
I’m only going to chime in on this for the readers that might be trying to decide if they want a EcoDiesel or the 3.6L. I have to I find Casey’s conclusion contradictory. If you intended on adventuring with your Jeep and want peace of mind, your way better off with the 3.6L. I run 35” M/T’s and have a 2 1/2” lift on my JTR and it’s a dream to drive on the highway. There is literally zero fuel economy benefit from the the EcoDiesel given the premium of the cost of the motor. The DEF fluid issues guys are having is a hassle I definitely don’t want when I’m in the middle of nowhere on a camping trip! And the last observation I’ve made about the Diesel is the added front end weight of the vehicle, if you like to play in the snow in the winter they tend to submarine from what I’ve seen.
From listening to all the issues you guys are having with the Diesels the only benefit I actually have heard is that it has great passing power with bigger tires one your way to the auto parts store to pick up more DEF fluid….just my two cent.
If you want a hassle free experience and want to save a nice chunk of change, get the 3.6L
Range is a huge benefit with the diesel . I have 40” tires and heavy oneton axles on my 21 JLURD . My Jk was getting 1/3 the range with the same mods .
For my benefit only, the ecodiesel meets my company requirements of 27 mpg on the hwy. For that reason alone I opted for the ecodiesel. I get $900 per month for vehicle allowance meeting that requirement.
I spend almost half of what Shaun does on fuel when highway driving to our destinations. Mind you in Canada, diesel is almost always cheaper at the pump as well. Just this weekend, we topped off, drove for about 4 hours, and topped off. Mine was $40, and Shauns 3.6L was $72. Im saving a ton on fuel on the highway.
@@Casey250 Diesel in the north is the same cost, your getting a touch better fuel econ. Most guys here have such terrible issues in -35/40c they exaust delete in the first year after it wont start all winter. Premium engine with premium costs.
@@Casey250 I agree with you on fuel savings. On our trip from SF Bay Area to Colorado and back, we all added up our fuel costs. We traveled as a group and always filled up at the same stations. The other rigs in my group spent $950+ on gas. My total was shy of $450 in diesel. Plus $20 to top off my DEF. huge savings.
I love my diesel Gladiator. The torque is amazing when offroad. Have had no issues with it.
I have a 21' ecodiesel gladiator and love it. Plan to leave it mostly stock and hopefully I don't have any of the problems the early one's had. It's been almost 2 years since the gen 3 came out in the Ram. Think they have revised them a bit.
Good info - I am looking at an eco-diesel now so will be using this in my negotiations.
Outstanding review. We purchased an eco diesel about 3 months ago and have right at 5K miles on it. I’m been paying close attention to your videos outlining issues. I hope Jeep can address these and adopt a fix. So far though, we’ve been absolutely loving the eco diesel.
Curious how it'd treating you a year later?
He bought the first year which is a major no-no imho. 1st year owners are essential testers. They really shouldn’t have killed the EcoDiesel. The new full-float axle could’ve made this a towing/highway road trip monster. On Gladiator even more-so…
Good information in your video. Thanks. I’ve had a Wrangler with the 3.8l for 12 years and 182k. My only complaint is the lack of power. I’m planning to get a Gladiator within the next year and really hoping the eco diesel was the right engine choice for me. Glad to hear you would buy it again.
Its definitely fuel-efficient and plenty powerful when you load it up with gear and mods.
Great video! I am considering a 2022 Wrangler diesel. I hope they fix some of these issues by then.
I've been using Amsoil Signature diesel oil with great lab analyses from Blackstone. I also order the Wix USA made oil filter for my 2016 Ram, 2nd gen diesel. I change at 10,000 miles. I now have 128K after putting it into service at 700 miles.
1st, thank you Casey for this super informative video. Curious, do you use any after market monitoring like Banks datamonster or Edge cts2? To keep an eye on regeneration cycles, miles between regens, watching exhaust temps/idling down for safe shut down etc? I'd be very interested in your feedback on that as I've often wondered how the ecodiesel handles regens when the Jeep is used at slow speeds over great distances off road.
I'm waiting for the release of the 2022 model year to place an order for my wife. We will also use it at times to travel long distances from South Carolina to CO, UT, AZ etc. Towing our Patriot Camper X3 (gross 3,500lbs). Strictly overlanding stuff, no rock crawling. Even though I'm a diesel guy, I've even looked at the 4xe as an option to avoid all the EPA mandated crap and the issues potential that comes with it. Thanks for your time
Thanks for this review...been looking at the Jeep Ecodiesel and Lexus GX460 as a replacement for my 07 Wrangler.
I have a 2020 Gladiator and thought I would get a new one with a diesel but after watching this I’m going to keep what I have , thank you for sharing this 👍
I was thinking of buying a 2015 Jeep Cherokee from Carmax in the lower 48 with only 33,000 miles on it (about 53000 km). The car has an open recall for the high pressure fuel pump which Jeep currently has no fix for. Spent about 20 minutes talking to the service adviser at my local Jeep dealer as this too, is an eco diesel. What that means is these diesels are fitted with an EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) system which, as the name implies, recirculates exhaust (soot). Over time this clogs the EGR system and the engine (like one would expect). And causes fuel system failures and all the rest detailed in your video. The diesel exhaust fluid is added nearer the tailpipe in the exhaust and what ever gases are left are burned by a spark plug there. Turning the soot into ash which eventually still blocks off the exhaust system and if left uncorrected, will destroy the diesel engine, eventually.
One need only recall that older diesels in tractor trailers and farm equipment lasted for several millions of miles instead of a 100-150,000 miles before needing major "repairs".
In the states the Supreme Court has just ruled that the EPA does not have the authority to make or enforce law. So, bearing in mind this is a $6-8K problem to "fix" many, including myself, have opted for an EGR delete where the soot is not recirculated back into the engine and goes still to the diesel particulate filter (think CAT). Some folks are just doing straight pipes. And the local DMV in my state has decided to give emissions exemptions to ALL diesels based on the Supreme Court ruling (beginning November 1, 2022) and the fact that the expense of near zero emission for diesel is exorbitant and ultimately, doesn't "fix" the problem. It is an untenable system. It does not work.
The emissions laws in the EU are much more realistic and that is why diesels remain popular in Europe.
For now in North America we are stuck with a dominant political party in California that doesn't care or understand the basic chemical laws of carbon emissions and somehow has managed to dictate their psychotic view of reality to the whole of North America.
A brief look at recent emissions/ green history bears this charge out. In about 2000 there was low sulpher diesel at about 115 ppm. Then in 2010 came ultra low sulpher diesel at 15 ppm. In 2015 or so we saw the first signs that the new stricter standards were not working when VW corporation was exposed commiting fraud with the EPA (since 2009) rather than try to force diesels to be ultraclean with EGRs, DEF, DPFs, burn offs of soot and all the rest. They were fined heavily and withdrew diesels from North America entirely.
Why? Because the two of the three biggest things about diesels that people love about diesels have been taken away by these ludicrous laws. Reliability and longevity. You still have torque, occasionally if the thing is running correctly. Which is only when they are very new and not choking on their own soot.
At this point there is only one solution. Get rid of non-elected organizations mandating unrealistic "solutions" to created "problems" by understanding most of us have to balance the need for clean air with realistic monetary expenditures out here in the real world.
Vote those bums out and vote your self in by running for office. Clean at "any cost" only works for elites like Elon Musk and the IT crowd. About 60% of the population of the United States lives on around $40 K US for a family of four. They're having trouble paying for basics let alone an $8,000 annual "repair" on their tractor, semi or ford F350. So, faced with that reality people are moving from places like California and Washington to states where it is no longer illegal to modify their diesels back to something around 2010, That's the fiscal reality that VW realized. And so are we down here in North Carolina. It is time to say "no".
AZ to Vegas and back with my stock diesel during the last heat wave we had, no temp issues. Kept an eye on them after watching your last video. I do sometimes have a rack and roof top tent that adds a ton of drag and plan on pulling a small camping trailer, so I am a bit concerned.
Loved the torque in the hills, so much better than my 2015 Rubicon on the highway and trails. Would by another diesel in a heart beat.
Ya it rips on the highway when running right.
I have and haul with my Libby crd. Maybe this might help I had issues with Mtn climbing 3 things: 1 - egr to manifold pipe had a crack. 2 - 4 glo plugs bad with 3 rockers replace. 3 - air flow sensor harness bad. 98% fixed and no more over heating. Now I can pass semis and drive in Tx heat, haha with ac on too. ~Christine
I do my own oil change on my 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Eco diesel. I order everything on Amazon and then use an oil VAC-Pump setup. Supply's= Rotella T6 $35 per x2 and 6 oil filter for $34........ all done for less than $100 US Dollars and with the VAC system is a bit pricy, but I've never had to go underneath and pull the oil plug. Super easy stuff.
thanks, temperature concerns hopefully get addressed by Jeep!
The DEF tank has a sender just like a fuel tank. If you are rock climbing it thinks it's running low due to the steep angle. For the long haul up highway hills, it's best to manually pull the auto back a gear so the rev counter is around 3,000 rpm. The diesel will otherwise hold onto a gear without downshifting, placing more load on the engine and potential overheating, especially with taller tyres! Thanks
I've also heard there are different qualities of def out there? effecting these issues?
Just purchased a 2021 Rubicon JL 3.0 Diesel and your info this video played a part in the purchase. Lots of good points especially the last comment lol
I have over 13grand on my jt ecodiesel. No a single issue. I use it and have similar stuff you have in California. I love mine. I have 37 tires too.
This is hugely important information! Thank you for sharing this.
Full belly skids are a MUST for the diesels. The stock rubicon “skid plates” don’t cover the exhaust components at all.
I haven’t had the DEF reporting issue, you and I got our JLRUDs around the same time. But like you, I am using more DEF than I expected, about 2x more than I expected.
Haven’t been in the altitudes you’ve been, but never had an engine heat issue and I book over long hauls 75 mph, easy from NY to PA or NY to ME (similar build, 37s, full beadlocks, steel bumpers, fully belly pan, rhino-rack backbone and pioneer platform). When crawling through rock gardens, I get a high steering fluid temp warning every time. I use my Tazer JL Mini to turn on cool-down mode to gulp air into the engine bay and that fixes it.
My biggest PITA isn’t a diesel issue, my JLRUD keeps throwing traction control/ACC errors. I think I have a bad wheel speed sensor. I need to take it in. I know the JKs were notorious for this problem.
You should look into the apex performance power steering cooler. I had the power steering warning crawling with stock tires, installed the cooler and have no issues with my 37s.
@@tomsimard9432 thanks! are you running a diesel JL? Want to make sure it works with them first. Northridge4x4’s site shows it as not fitting, but sometimes that’s just because they haven’t update the site.
Will probably have to find a new location for the manifold, itself. Not sure if that will fit with my aftermarket bumper and winch.
@@jeckart3d I have a warn zeon winch with the factory steel bumper. It is a tight fit and you have to play Tetris to get the lines to align. It also requires drilling a couple holes in the frame. It is like anything else on a jeep, your combination of parts may have different results. I think the biggest improvement is the additional fluid and surface area because I wouldn't anticipate much airflow.
@@tomsimard9432 very helpful, Tom. Thanks! I have a warn winch, too but aftermarket steel bumper. Along with fitment, I also know the diesels have a bunch of systematic differences to their gas and electric counterparts. As long as this system is compatible-I can figure out the fitment. Thanks again!
I have a 2015 ram ecodiesel. I use the k&n oil filter for the last 60k miles. It's 10 bucks with no problems. I now use amsoil heavy duty oil
I noticed with mine that low speeds and towing/offroading will consume more def.
I have the ecodiesel but i use eco fuel saving tabs. They improve combustion, give more mpgs, reduce emissions, and less regens.
I also run Amsoil motor oil, engine coolant and transmission fluid..... engine operating temps are down with the Coolant and transmissiom fluid.
Also get a scan guage or scan tool. It can see temps of turbo, dpf, and soot load.
Coming from a truck driver, with diesel motors TQ doesn’t get you up the hill HP does, TQ just gets you going. So that explains why the 3.6 is passing you up hills. Also def and diesels don’t like cold temperatures, make sure if it’s going to be in the low teens (inFahrenheit) or single digits to use anti gel so the diesel doesn’t gel up. If your idling or going at low speeds you will have more def use than if your going down the highway.
Few things I'd like to point out to people debating on getting an ecodiesel in general. Having owned a 17 ram. Under 25,000 miles my exhaust and all emissions components (fell off). It ran extremely clean. The tune i had In it produced almost zero soot no matter how much load you gave it. The EPA killed almost all options to do this in today's time 2021. Now knowing the constant issues this engine has been plagued with. EGR failures causing engine fires. Chrysler issiuing recalls on factory tune causing a new flash to be installed basically killing any power the engine may have made before. Severe turbo lag from new recall. Throwing connecting rods thru the block for no reason. Crank position sensor failure. No big deal rite? Wrong. Step 1 pull transmission. They glue the magnets onto a plastic tone ring which is behind the flywheel. And yes they do fail more then it should. It happened to me. Had to pull transmission to change part. Sensors 500 bucks us and tone ring is 100 or so. Plus labor. Cp4 failures from low sulfur fuel ( has low lubricity ). Don't put def in the fuel system. You will need to change everything from it tank pump to the last injector in the engine. Can range over 10k in labor and parts. And warranty won't cover it. It's a user error. Modern diesels aren't worth it to me unless heavy hauling and have a warranty.
the "derating" and overheating you mention is due to the emissions systems you mentioned earlier in the video. You simply cant have a healthy functioning diesel with emissions attached. Modern emission requirements are too tight for any diesel system and is the major flaw of EGT temps and intake pressures. In order to truly open up the eco diesel it needs a DPF, EGR delete with exhaust and intake mods followed up by a tune.
Experienced the same issue of power and speed reduction due to increased engine temperature.. Outside air temperature was 90 F while driving I-80 eastbound in Nevada. Climbing a long uphill grade at highway speed (70 MPH) the vehicle suddenly reduced power and limited speed.
I have no issues. My friend in New Mexico has Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Diesel. She is always operating at an altitude of 8000 ft. Near the Sandia Mountains, she had cooling issue 2 times this summer. She was going thru a REGEN phase.
I suggested to her to purchase the Mojave/ or the 392 hood. This will help with moving a lot more heat from underneath the hood.
Also suggested cutting out some of the plastic that are in the fenders. Easier for the hot air to escape.
At the end of the Day she went with the Mojave hood. Had it painted to jeep color and it actually looks sharp. tough looking and better looking. and ZERO ISSUES with limp mode or temperature rising.
I have the 21 JT Rubicon eco diesel with about 4,000 mikes. Labor Day weekend, I did have the engine get warm as well crawling in the passes of Colorado in the Ouray/Silverton areas. The power steering light came on. We pulled over one time knowing that we still had plenty of trail ahead at low speed. I parked into the wind and opened the hood in 60 degree weather. It cooled down in about 10-15 minutes. Second time a day or two later, we had open trails ahead and picked up the pace and the light went away. Still in love with it, but definitely looking to reduce the heat under the hood.
I did over heat the power steering once as well. I mention it in one of my recent videos in the Rocky Mountains.
Thanks for the info! Think I'll stick with getting the 3.6. The extra torque of the ecodiesel isn't worth all the little hassles to me when the 3.6 is enough for my needs
Thank you for sharing about your ecodiesel
This is a really nice video exposing all of the issues you have encountered during the time you own it.
I am seriously thinking about trading my 2020 ram 1500 ecodiesel for the gladiator at this point .
Thank you in advance
I've been driving trucks since the 1970s and still to this day. Way back before computers got bolted on to trucks, we had mechanical fuel injection. Meaning, you could actually adjust each injector with a wrench to give your engine more power. This was on a 1976 Mack truck I nicknamed "Flykiller" because of all the black smoke that poured out of the exhaust stack - not to mention all the 10W40 oil it burned. Oh yeah, and no EGR hoses or anything. Any crankcase smoke was vented directly below the engine from the blowby pipe. Polluting yes, but reliable beyond your wildest dreams. Many years later came came DPF filters. First generation DPFs were terrible. They were forever clogging up going from Stage 1 - 2 - 3 - and finally limp mode Stage 4. At this point, your only recourse is to bring the vehicle back to the dealership were they have a special machine to unclog what looks like a coffee can which a bunch of straws inside. I'm not so sure how long your going to keep your Eco-Diesel after the warranty runs out, but it's going to cost you an arm and a leg to keep that thing mobile. Diesel engines are terrific - it's just all the extra, modern junk around it that's the problem.
Waiting for the right rock to knock a few things off ;)
I love my 2018 JGC EcoDiesel, haven't let any of these caveats bother me. Cheers!
10k miles and happy with my eco diesel. Most of my off-road adventures are in western Colorado at altitude. I've got a lift, 35s, and some other common modifications. No roof top tent and other extra stuff bolted to my rig. Mine is not a daily driver and will probably delete emissions after the warranty expires. Nothings perfect but I do feel the diesel hits the sweet spot for me.
I think with a delete this is the best platform in a Wrangler ever.
I want to do the delete on my 2020. It is out of warranty. I filled up the DEF 3 weeks ago and could not put anymore in and the gauge told me I was 3/4 full... No warranty .
A lot of my jeep friends were super excited that jeep was FINALLY going to provide a stock diesel option. Only problem, jeep did it WAY too late. If they would have done it in 07 or earlier, it would have been awesome. Unfortunately, with a diesel these days, the EPA has mandated a slew of changes since 08 that chokes the engine and inevitably causes the buyer money out of their pocket. I have a 2015 ford 6.7l diesel. The problem of having to fill the DEF is the least of worries, quite frankly. Not only does it have the filter that requires hard running for long times to clean, If you don't run the vehicle like that, you'll end up having to replace the filter which is 4-6k. Fast forward to last year when I saw my first jeep diesel vid. Not only did they add that silly front axle separator to save a few MPG, there is a ton of wiring and sensors that are just waiting to get ruined or dirty on the trail and fail. Not to mention the actual DPF and DEF tank to break, hit, and ruin. After seeing that and the lackluster HP/TQ that the diesel provides, I would say get a gasser and install a super charger or get the hemi. Diesels, unless you're hauling horses or campers, are pretty much a pass these days.
This reviewer's take on this diesel is 100% different from what you say. I don't believe you actually watched it or listened to the end question
Thanks for this review! Really sure opening.
I think I’m glad I have a 3.6 now. Even if someday when I do upsize my tires I have to do other changes
I haven’t seen the limp mode issue while climbing a steep grade and I have climbed up steep grades in 100 deg (f) weather while full loaded out. Although, when my 2021 eco diesel JLUR had about 2k miles, it did go into limp mode randomly on the highway on a trip to Colorado (relatively flat section); maybe 4 different times in one day. During that nights camp, I disconnected the battery for about half hour, then hooked it back up. Shortly after that, the uConnect stereo prompted me to do a firmware upgrade (not sure if that was part of the fix) and 1k miles later I’ve had no issues. As far as DEF, I’m consuming 2.5 gallons every 2k miles-ish. No where near what I expected to go thru. But so far, I love my eco diesel. Lots of power and great fuel mileage compared to what I was getting in my 2015 JKUR (13mpg vs 22mpg).
I'm in Colorado Springs and ordered a JLU Eco diesel. Should be here end of October. Went with the JLU Sport Altitude because I like to build stuff out. Glad to hear it does well in the mountains here. I have a 2017 JKU manual 6 speed that I will miss, but i really wanted the diesel. I hit you with a sub just encase i need to pick your brain after my new Jeep gets here.
@@chickenpermission9969 You were able to order a 2021 JKU this late? I thought the 2022s will be coming out soon
@@alfa8822 No, I have a JKU, I ordered a EcoDiesel JLU. Not sure what model year they will put on it.
@@chickenpermission9969 the 8 speed is great. I don’t miss manuals at all. Literally my first auto vehicle I’ve bought since been driving 16 years. Torque converters multiply and preload driveline without damage.
@@chickenpermission9969 Sorry I meant a JLU. You were able to order a 2021 JLU eco diesel? I'm waiting to order a 2022 JLU eco diesel but as far as I know they aren't taking orders yet.
I've towed up to 7,000 lbs so far with my EcoDiesel no heat issues it didn't even move any pressures or temps during summer but max elevation was 4,000 ft on that trip and no heavy grades. Also 16.8 to 17.7 MPG
I have a '21 JLUR ED. I tow a 1,500 lb. teardrop camper and overheated climbing from 9,000 to 11,000 ft. on stock wheels/ tires in July on Colorado. I tried all sorts of things to get to the top, but slamming it to the floor and only being able to go 40 mph was ridiculous. Frustrating for sure.
Thanks for the oil recommendation! I only have 1 freebie oil change left on the Jeep Wave program. lol
Try tuning it lol. You can get tunes for these. I use fuel saving tablets. They improve combustion, performance, made engine quiter, and have less regens.
Thank you for sharing. The more I research all the engine options for a Jeep I plan to order.. the more I seem to come back to the 3.6.
Good vid! Been wondering what was happening with your Jeep.
I save a bunch of money on DEF just getting it from the pumps at truck stops. Usually works out to $2.79 @ gallon USD. Also not dealing with spilling DEF etc.
Depending on how you were loaded down, the the cooling issue could be that you were driving so fast up those grades. The auto industry sizes the radiator and fan based on going 45 mph up a 13 mile long, ~6% continuous grade in Arizona at 38°C, fully loaded to GCW with a trailer. So if you were carrying a lot and trying to push ~80mph up a steeper grade you probably were de-rated. If you don't have the heavy duty fan from the tow package it's not a surprise at all. Also, 118°C is a de-rated temperature for most vehicles because that's the point where the coolant starts to break down.
Also, the DEF level issue could be from driving at an extreme angle for a really long time, or if you parked and idled on an angle for a long time. They put some heavy filtering on the level signal from the DEF tanks and it doesn't update quickly like a fuel tank does.
Had the ecodiesel ram and had some of the same experiences like costly oil changes, but loved the towing capacity ~>
I have a 2014 ecodiesel summit wk2, I did put a gde tune in it when they destroyed it with the emissions mod, but I love this vehicle. It's a beast. I can tow almost 8k lbs, I get 29 mpg on the highway and great torque. Do some more research... Aftermarket filters on Amazon are cheap. Oil changes are quick and easy. Rotella T6 5W-40 is what the dealer uses and its cheap (although hard to find right now). No overheating issues in VA, and I drive it hard all the time.... Off Road and on
In regards to your def fluid, I have a Chevy 2500HD diesel and my shop told me that the Blue def fluid does not work well, he recommended AC Delco! Anyway, there is a TH-cam video on rating different Def fluids, this might solve some of your issues by changing fluids, mine seems to burning cleaner!
So I have a 2021 Wrangler Rubicon Eco Diesel and of your 5 points the one that bothers me the most is the heat issue climbing mountain passes. I live in Arizona and pull a camper (I am on 37’s with a 2” lift and added a lot of weight to my Jeep as well). The problem I have is not coolant temps although they do climb but rather oil temp. I have not had the Jeep reduce performance because of heat because as soon as I see 260 oil temp I back off on the throttle. So by going 50mph up a 7% grade with ambient temps over 90 degrees I can get the oil temp back to 255 or lower and 50mph is an ok speed to pull a camper up a decent grade. I’ve never had a problem going up grades without the camper. My Jeep weights 5650 without passengers or gear just to give you an idea on weight. I do a lot of off roading with my Jeep as well. I have none of the other concerns or issues you mentioned tho. In the States I can get the Euro spec oil and oil filter for around $100 total and can change the oil myself so oil changes are not a concern (I am getting free ones now tho). I love the Eco Diesel and absolutely would buy it again. Love your videos. Keep it up!
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Glad you made this comment. I just ordered the '22 diesel and I live in the Phoenix area. This video scared the crap out of me. I literally went from being super excited to instantly having buyer's remorse. I can sleep a little better now haha. Thanks
Thanks a lot for this video and advise : I have a discovery 5 Land Rover that have exactly the same problems and Monday I will to sell and I do not want anymore Land Rover . Thanks because I notice that all new modern good diesel have this electronic problems and exaust system problems so surely next one will be a petrol off road car
Nice that you would buy it again. Similar question is would you keep it when the warranty runs out?
Hard to say. I am already reaching the limits of what I can still warranty as it is lol.
Thank you for a great video. I have 2021 3.6 so no this kind of problems. But, I had 2017 Jaguar F-Pace 2.0 Diesel with similar problems. Next step for you, Paul , TrailRecon and others...... 392! Good luck trading in!
I need something bigger and badder then a 392.
I had the same issue with the over heating. I opened my hood vents up and that seemed to do the trick. however, my engine does gt dirtier faster.
Just a heads up. Most of the harnesses connections in the ecodiesels are the weak point. The techs aren't trained how to diagnose them so they throw parts at it. I've had to disconnect, reconnect, and wire tie most connectors in the main harness on my Ram. Cleaning soot from your MAP sensor is a maintenance item unless you tune it. I use GreenDiesel tuning in my Ram.
I'm very happy that I passed on the diesel. I would hate going through the issues you have.
I’m always grateful to hear other’s stories about why you should avoid abusive long term relationships with Stellantis.
I'm curious if you're still on the stock 3.73 gears. After driving a JTR gas and diesel, the diesel just put more of a smile on my face driving (I'm a big truck really I am).. So we ordered a Diesel Rubicon and have been happy with it. It makes the 2500ft climb (from 5k to 7.5k) from civilization to our house pretty effortlessly.
Just picked up a new eco diesel wrangler this past weekend
Currently dealing with my own slightly different issues right now. Fuel injectors were pumping too much fuel and clogging my DPF. Gave me CEL, limp mode, and service emission system warning. Its been with the dealer for 30 days now waiting for new injectors, and fuel lines! Unsure if I'm going to have it swapped for a gas model yet.
Girlfriend has a 2014 Grand Cherokee with 3.0 ecodiesel. It's had a few recalls and one was for retuning the ECU due to emissions cheating. Now it has giant hesitation in the throttle pedal response, especially in an emergency situation where you need fast response. Got to take it in for the fifth time now due to the DPF getting clogged. If it wasn't for all the emissions stuff it would be great.
Great review of your jeep with the diesel.
i would run a separate transmission cooler and separate the transmission cooler from the radiator to help with engine temps. those tires are guarantee raising the temp significantly.
On the DEF. When you are off road the fluid is moving around. If the sensor is adjusting for the movement. Could it be like the gas tank. If the fluid goes out the bottom, but the sensor is in the middle when you are climbing or descending down the hill the sensor is going to think that you are almost out. However it should correct itself on level ground. Just a thought.
I have your twin with a white hardtop. 54000 miles, no def issues, I have experienced the loss of power briefly, replaced the air filter, have not experienced it since. 37’s , EVO coil overs
In regards to the oil filter I get aftermarket one autozone for $9 and its the 10k mileage 1.
Hi, I'm wondering if you monitor EGT? Is it possible you're exceeding temps there when climbing hills?
The trails you have done how do you think the F-150 Tremor would do?
Looking at getting either a Rubicon ecodiesel or the Tremor. I like both of them for different reasons.
I really like the 2021 Tremor for the interior, space, plus the cooled seats for hot summer days and the 4wd auto. I think the Tremor would be the happy medium and if it wasnt so big that is what i would get.
I like the Rubicon for ease of parking in downtown areas incluin underground parking. Off road capability even though I most likely won't do any really hard core, but would like to have more capability then needed as to less likely getting stuck. Also the great gas mileage.
Casey, I saw the original video when you had the over-heat issue. It appears that Jeep has undercooled their diesels for high workload environments. Maybe it is time for an external oil cooler, power steering cooler, and/other aux cooling ? Or maybe it is just as simple as a change of the engine thermostat to a lower value for summer or hi-temp environs ? GL and please keep Casey-250 nation updated.
I know a few people working on an oil cooler. That i feel would make the biggest difference. The ecodiesel in the jeeps is the same as the ram, but detuned for less power because of cooling issues.
@@Casey250 It's just that the Jeep does not have the engine room or grille needed to support the ED. Jeep should have put a different grille in it with a larger front fascia. The Ram has no overheating issues. I know that the 2024 Jeep has a new grille with more airflow. Maybe replace yours with it?
Looking to purchase an ecodiesel gladiator in the not too distant future. I appreciate all your input.
I got the same jeep as you 2020 eco diesel and I haven’t had any engine problems or anything besides the service 4wrd light on I bought it brand new off the dealership with 0 miles but I seen other eco diesels have the same problems as you to but for a oil change it cost me around $100-120 to do it the oil cost me the most but the oil filter I get it for $15-$25
Curious, I just bought 2021 jeep exciting diesel gladiator. When u bought urs, was jeep offering u the heavy duty cooling system?
Can’t wait to found out the fix!!!!
Got a ram rebel ecodiesel. Need the extra towing. No issues!
Mine has overheated and shut off numerous times. First while using cetane booster, second when towing my 6000# camper. Turns out it was overheating meaning over 1500 degree egt temps. I have since getting the banks iDash and derringer and now I can watch my EGTs and I can tow my camper at 65mph without overheating.
I've only had one "high heat" issue, we were on the trail for about 3hrs and popped out on to a road that was 50mph, but steeply uphill. It bogged bad and just wouldn't go. The day was 109F at 6500ft elevation. I added Redline Water Wetter, never had it happen again since and we have really high passes (9,000+ft) and a heavily loaded JT-R on 37s, stock gearing, heavy beadlocks, and a 6" lift. Redline Water Wetter.... If you live somewhere hot or climb high passes, add two bottles your coolant, you'll thank me later. The 3.6L guys can definitely run it as well, just go one bottle in your radiator or overflow. If you live in cold temps, water cools better than coolant, so keep it as weak as possible, your comfort level will vary, but Redline + water + a bit of coolant will treat you right.
EcoDiesel powered Jeep....literally nothing better on the trail, so low drama. I live an hour form the Rubicon and I'm up there frequently along with our other incredible trails in NorCal, and they are serious rock crawling. Wouldn't trade it for the world, even a 392.
Very interesting video thanks for sharing
I had a Ram 1500 with an ecodiesel and derated so much, in Arizona, I got rid of it. I tried adding a Banks programmer, still did it.
Have you had issues with the DEF freezing? We did once.