is it fair to compare? | what's up warhammer?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, we compare the new Blood Angels Sanguinary stuff to Age of Sigmar stuff. Is it even fair to compare the two?
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04:20 - @ChapterMasterValrak makes an appearance
A metaphor is fitting. Awful parents have two kids, one they don’t care for and let do whatever(not raising them) and other is their favorite and they raise them using their bad parenting skills. The less cared about turns out better.
40k sells, so why change anything? is probably one answer. The other answer is if you changed a space marine too much it wouldnt look like a space marine and the nerdrage would be heard at saturn.
That’s it 100%
@@capnbrunch9612 I agree with the first part that they actually have no incentive to try anymore because a lot of the 40K consumer base will just eat up whatever is brand new and put in front of them. They already changed how the sanguinary guard look compared to their previous models. If anything they have made them more dull and less unique they just look like Golden Space Marines with jump packs.
The 40k aestetic for marines seems to be moving to more minimal and utilitarian designs but honestly, 40k is pretty over the top to begin with. It's not utilitarian or "realistic", so why not go for it with the model designs?
I agree. Go whole-hog all the damn time!
being cool isn’t what’s stopping them from making better looking models
It's a running joke that the AoS sculptors have more fun and get to flex more while the 40k sculptors are mostly restrained.
So many of the new Stormcast models are better space marines than a lot of the recent space marine releases with just the tiniest bit of conversion, it's wild how uninspiring the 40k sculpts feel compared to AoS.
The new Sanguinary Guard is shit. Its puzzling how they managed to fuck it up that much
The problem isn't the sculpt, as it is well done, however the problem is that it's safe; I think the better comparison would be with Saint Celestine of the Sisters of Battle. Both the original models are angelic beings in golden armour floating above the ground anchored with parchment. Celestine however got a much more involved upgrade in comparison with being depicted as flying above the battlefield. trailing parchment and accompanied by both doves and two battle sisters with her blade drawn and newly added wings outstretched. The Sanguinor on the other hand merely got a plastic update where the wings were simplified, reduced detail on the armour (They stole his nips!) and the death mask looks a little off with the addition of the chin strap and tubes.
Age of Sigmar can get away with being adventurous with their models are they're often the first sculpt of that unit or they've been around for 20+ years (and likely just getting re-released for Old World). That said Games-Workshop in general have a problem with pendulem swinging between putting too much detail into a model (Most of the early Age of Sigmar models) or going too far on striping the detail (Inquisitor Coteaz a prime example). This might be a reaction to trying to please both old and new players, after all less detail means an easier time painting the model for beginners but can ostracize older players who prefer the older, more detailed models to the newer, cleaner sculpts; even then it's not often fans both old and knew agree when a sculpt doesn't work.
This was a time they could've pushed the boat out as they reeled these models in too far.
I also think they’re good, but safe. You’re thoughts parallel mine brother
40k fans hate change while at the same time asking for changes. If they try a new approach to an old model, they will get backlash. However if they stay true to an old model, they will get backlash by the same people. Meanwhile, in AoS they have more freedom to be creative and flex their capabilities which is obvious when you look at the centerpieces and the quality of sculpts they create now.
I don't know who is in charge with design at games workshop. But it just seems like they have their remedial team on the 40K side and their elite top team on the age of sigmar side. Because their recent plastics for 40K have been mostly misses instead of hits while a lot of the new storm cast eternals have shown what the Marines especially the blood angels could have been.
It all just feels kinda safe doesn’t it? Like they’re timid to go outside of the box they made. I think the dark angels stuff was pretty on-point, but the blood angels are a miss. I wanna hear from some BA player and see what they’re feelin.
@@Hobby_Swamp if anything the new blood angel stuff is not them being timid it's them basically doing the bare minimum. The same one area guard are an atrocious step in whatever direction they're going. The old sanguinary guard had character had detail that people enjoy. People are always demanding new scopes when a current range is 5 plus years old for some reason. It's why I'm not very optimistic for any new guard regiments they bring out because they pretty much water down everything into generic looking stuff.
Gw definitely seems to be in the phase of "How lazy can we be before it bites us?". At least in 40k, the sculptors for AoS are cookin'!
I get where you’re coming from, but the designs coming out now were created 3-4 years ago based on their production cycle. It may take some serious time before we see some cookin ass changes on the 40K side
@@Hobby_Swamp Ooohhhh! Didn't know that. Well if they plan to start cranking it up soon then I look forward to it.
Completely agree with everything you said and you nailed it on the head with yhe center piece being the issue. Not many people talk about the fact Sanguinor does not have the same presence as the other chapter primarchs. Im glad you did.
Sanguinor should have more gping on. Cherub servitors , something.
Sang should have wing option and have single jump pack nozzle on just like Astorath so accommodate them. Helmets should be more death mask open face rather than basic Storm cast sculpts.
Death company dread needed more upgrades. The skull sarcophagus is what set it apart smh.
Absolutely! Cherubs would be perfect. A crazy base of some kind would also go a long way. 3d bits sellers are having a field-day making this refresh fit our expectations.
Thanks for reaching out man!
Like even comparing him to azrael (who isn't a primarch so it might be more comparable), i feel like azrael can feel more like a centerpiece than sanguinor does
I agree with you 100%
Maybe the artists stuck doing marine shit just don't care and aren't the most skilled/popular/well-connected artists at GW. Think about it. You're an artist, all artists love to do the most creative things possible. We all know that space marines are pretty restricted creativily for a whole host of reasons. Doesn't mean you can't still make great models, but if I were an artist i wouldn't be happy being assigned "space marine variant #12" while others get to do crazy and different stuff with, for example, AdMech or Orks, or be on the fantasy side where the everything is up for reinterpretation constantly. Could be you are stuck doing red space marines while more skilled artists make a name for themselves, move up the company hierarchy, and can pick their assignments, no wonder they would jump to AoS if the design doc says "we are refreshing this factions range. Go crazy"
AoS looks WAY better, 40K sells WAY better. Me and the lads all started with Kill Team because one guy wanted to get us in to 40K proper, but we've all jumped ship into Warcry, Spearhead and now we're all moving toward putting together 2K AoS lists.
These new Blood Angels models have only made us feel even better about our decision.
It’s so cool that you ‘n’ the boiz are getting into AOS that way. I head Warcry is super fun. Did y’all have fun with that one?
@@Hobby_Swamp Warcry is awesome! One of the best things about it is that just about every AoS model can be used. In Kill Team the Compendium teams stand no chance, in Warcry the teams you build are just as good as the pre-built teams.
I still love Kill Team, but I only play it when I REALLY want to think strategically and compete as hard as I can. I play Spearhead and Warcry when I want everyone to have fun.
@wtfserpico yeah I’m really just tryna have fun with these games. I painted the bird guys when I first got into all this a year ago. I’d love to get in a game with them. How’s spearhead so far?
@@Hobby_Swamp I've only played 2 games of Spearhead so far but they've both been so much fun. I've had so much fun that I've actually bought 2 more Spearheads...so I have Cities of Sigmar, the Stormcast from Skaventide, and Sylvaneth.
It feels like the perfect step up in complexity between Warcry and Kill Team.
I haven't played a full game of AoS yet as we're all still building up from Spearheads, but if I never got the chance I'd be perfectly happy with Spearhead.
@@wtfserpico spearhead sounds like such a good idea. Ima look around and see if anyone is playing it up here.
Honestly I just feel like the people who do the Sigmar models are much more passionate about their work. I’ve felt this for a quite a while, since like AoS 2nd edition, but I feel like the actual *people* at GW, not the Company Faces or the Money Counters at the front and top of the company, enjoy the AoS world much more.
I get that. It feels like they can be as artistic as the technology allows.
Simple : This new release made me fully switch to just 3D print terrains and bits to 3D print full miniatures of everythin : Sanguinary Guard, Death Company, DC Dreadnought and the characters, I just found alternate and actually good sculpt on the net and printed them. I play Blood Angels since 4th edition, but this time... GW finally managed to lose me for good
And yes, it's totally fair to compare, both are made by GW, both are made to be centerpieces, one is really good (even if I don't play stormcast), and the other is just an insult to the fans
It's just so fucking bizarre that GW says 40k is their money maker and then they just shit all over it constantly. I print stuff now rather than buy 40k becsuse proxies are just legitimately better... I would buy WH stuff and have bought tons but just not anymore.
I can get that dude. I feel like the designs they’re selling now are from a while ago. Also the dark angels stuff feels nothing like the blood angels stuff. Almost like the effort wasn’t there for the blood angels stuff. I print tons of things, but I got into 3d printing at the same time I got into warhammer. Thanks for reaching out.
I'm imagining that mephestion will go up to a similar points cost to the sanguinaour. That means combined they'll be roughly the cost of a primarch (which is fitting since there's that whole light and dark part of sanguinius soul thing going on). I don't think the sanguinaour alone is supposed to be as big of a centerpiece.
I know it’s not everyone’s vibe but I’ll probably use the new blood angels heads with fangs for my stormcast. I really want to lean into the less and less human vibe.
Dude that’s an awesome idea. I’ve been looking for alternate stormcast heads. I love that range, but I’m just not a super big fan of the helmets.
I have heard from GW store employees that AoS sells more and more importantly they get more new players than 40K. In my local miniature community, 40K is bigger, but not by much. The AoS players has almost dobbled in in a year here. I think that one of the main reasons is that GW has the A team working on the AoS minis. Like you can not say that the last 5 40K model releases are better than the last 5 from AoS.
Well it’s working. I’m tryna figure out which spearhead I want to paint. Any suggestions? I like all of them lol
@@Hobby_SwampRule of cool, just rule of cool, but the new starter set won't hurt for first one, two armies, skaven and SCE
I will buy Lumineth next time
@@Hobby_Swamp everyone, but fyreslayers spearhead has rather new and amazing models. If you like the idea of naked berserker dwarfs their best models are in my humble opinion: Vulkyn Flameseekers (cute magamadroth), Auric flamekeeper and the Magmadroth. However Seraphon is a classic and the new saurus and kroxigors are amazing! The Saurus Old Blood on Carnasaur is also a great model to panit!
I paint Soulblight, Tzeentch and Salamanders
Ive painted tons of dwarves for oldword, but it burnt me out real fast. I really like the idea of doing the Nighthaunt, but I hear they’re awful to transport and move around the table. Idk if that’s enough to put me off doing them. Soulblight could be awesome. There’s the sea-elves.. those are cool. The stormcast are cool, but you can’t beat the gloomspike spite gitz. Too many awesome options.
@@Hobby_Swamp glomespite have a lot of funny miniatures, Sea-elves also got some pretty cool things! One of those or maybe sylvaneth would be awsome!
I’m replacing the sanguinors head and wings with ones I found online the wings i got look organic and the face of the statue of David
That’s a great idea dude!
Excuse me do you have a link for these scults?
I’m also interested in that!
Didja see the new eagle gryphon ones? now that along with yndrasta, celestant prime, krondys/karazai, and stardrake heroes are true centerpieces, and thats only from one army. i feel like the only thing close to those in 40k are the primarchs
1000% dude. AOS is stuffed to the gills with centerpiece models. The Primarchs (especially the demons) are the closest. I’d say with how gnarly Helbrecht is he’s fairly close.
And every factiom has someome, as long as you are not dwarf (still has cool lizards) but Sylvaneth have Alarielle, Lumineth have Teclis, Death have Nagash and his mortarchs who are all cool, orcs have Kragnos and all their generals and Slaves to Darkness hae Archaon humself
The primaris jump pack units is pure shit, and I own a unit of them. Worthless in-game and their poses are all wonky. Vanguard veterans are miles better
I’ve never painted the official jump pack guys. I’ve painted some that I printed but they got removed from cults 3d. (I think they’re in the shorts I made) I agree, those poses are really goofy. I would like if at least one was landing. One was running.
Bro really is waffling hard. I always one unit minimum. Even if it's to just fly around the map and do secondary missions or doing free mortals on the charge.
I’ve never used them in-game yet. Is that how you use them best? I play grey knights so I just be teleporting a ton.
they sculpt aos better so people will buy them, they sculpt 40k worse because people will buy them regardless.
I wouldn't be surprised if they did this to 40k models so you would have to buy AoS stuff knowing fans would have to kitbash while also boosting AoS sales!
Dude! I didn’t even think of that. I’ve been eying tons of AOS to use in conversions. They got my ass.
@@Hobby_Swamp Me too dude. Me too 🤣
I don't think it's any conspiracy like that. I think it's a more simple explanation, the 40K team doesn't have to do much to get you to buy their product. The age of sigma team still is the up-and-comer trying to prove itself despite age of sigmar being almost around nearly a decade. 40K has basically shown they don't have to put much effort to get piggies to buy.
@@noblegalifreyan4551 I'm not saying it's a conspiracy I'm just saying it's a shrewd move. It's quite clever really.
@@kerbal666 The way you worded it made it sound like it was a move to get people to buy extra. I don't think it's that I think if anything the way they design these models was purely for beginners. Marines are designed now since the primaris to be super watered down generic models.
I think its kinda just a reflection of what is encouraged by the profit motive. Capitalism and Art in general don't work together great, its just better to produce the same proven thing over and over again. Its just way to risky to allow artists to use all their creativity, so the 40k team probably has a lot more restrictions in what they can do, while the AoS team is allowed to try more crazy stuff, since its not as profitable anyway. It's the same with other artistic media too, like movies and videogames.
Star Wars is a good example, the new shows/movies are almost universally disliked. But then they create andor, a show no one had any expectations for, about a characters most people forgot about anyway. So the creators probably had a lot more freedom and made one of the best shows i've ever watched.
Well said
just compare inquisitor coteaz with the old one
Yeah I did that in my first video. I think he’s funny lookin, but I still wanna paint him.
Actually , the first thing I though when I saw the new sanguinor was that I was glad it was not a super complex AOS looking model. That styke is just not for me. Maybe is the warhammer fantasy kid inside of me that just hates everything related to AOS
I get that man. I wasn’t around back then, so I can’t exactly relate, but I get where you’re coming from. The sanguinor won’t be the most complicated to paint, but I think I just wanted it to have more presence. I think the base or some additional cherubs/servitors would have gone a long way.
@@Hobby_Swamp we are from differente eras, what you probably had in mind was something like a pseudo-sanguinius
Maybe like that, yeah. Something that looks like a center piece from 2 tables way. I don’t think the miniature is bad, I just think they need something “center piecey” in that range. What do you think? Am I way off?
I can agree with the feeling of hating the overdesigned philosophy that GW has taken recently with their games and especially their plastic miniatures. It's actually why I prefer the old world over age of sigmar because a lot of their plastic is middle hammer era stuff that is easy to put together and doesn't take an hour for a model
Yeah man, totally. It takes me ages to build and I don’t really like having a billion details to paint. I guess I was just hoping for a little bit more personality in this release. Something that was visually distinct if not complex.
The one you "think" is better, it just looks like something out o warhammer fantasy, it looks so out of place in 40k
I guess when I’m saying “better” I mean it has more presence. Something that can be a leader of your force ya know? More than just another dude that’s floating.
Fore angle look better end drunk cheap granny wings.
Hell yeah brother
40k wants people to move to sigmar. Moving to AOS means they can sell more armies to the same audience.
It also means more DEI garbage because it's a new IP and the lore allows for it despite that they'll try to make 40k that way too.
It seems like it was created initially like a sand box. With tools to play with and the ability to grow into whatever they want it to. 40K has years and years of definitives that people don’t want to see changed and handled without care. They can’t/shouldn’t be flippant with something people are that invested in. Adding something should be handled with care
Please what DEI garbage? Did those black people from the land where it make sense offended you too much?
why you mad bro everyone know the emperor (imposter speak spanish pun) is bad guy , who give a ratass , simp fanbois
I don’t think I am mad. I just wanted to ask people if they like it and what they would prefer if they don’t like it. So far, people have given a ton of good feedback about it. Thanks for reaching out though!
is the sanguinor bad? YES. YES HE IS. why are we so relunctant of calling out dogshit designs? he looks like he was made in 2001 or smth, really bad holy fuck