Jordan vs. Wilt - A Beef That Left One GOAT Speechless
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Wilt Chamberlain Dominated the NBA from the moment he touched the court..His superhuman stats and records made it seem impossible that anyone would ever dethrone him as the Greatest of All Time..
But then came Michael Jordan!
Michael Jordan's dunks, defense and scoring ability set a new standard for greatness. Before his career was even over fans, players and even MJ himself were calling him the new GOAT
But according to Wilt Chamberlain… THAT was all delusion!
And when the pair met at the 50th Anniversary of the NBA Wilt Chamberlain ENDED The GOAT Debate.
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I believe the case should be made for Wilt...The NBA disliked his arrogance and was why they catered to Russell who was more of a Civil Rights leader, leader among his team mates and Wilt was more of a freak of nature that was bigger and stronger than everyone else and he made a mockery of players and teams. Wilt should have won 8 MVP's because the league back then allowed only players to vote. Most of the players despised Wilt
Um Russell won 11 championships. Come in man.
Yep Wilt had mega haters 44 years before LeBron. They used to knock Wilt's teeth out in NBA games. I told you that I really watched game footage of Wilt, dude was like how Jordan was, a living real-life basketball god
MJ simply showed respect. This is something a lot of these new crop of players seem to lack.
Fake respect?
Yeah that ´s MJ
😂😂😂😂
@@rafikz77You have been commenting about Jordan for years on TH-cam. Are you not tired by now? I know you dont like Wilt since you dont like oldschool plumbers. Your words
On topic, Wilt approached both Kareem, MJ, and Magic Johnson. The only person that argued back with Wilt was Kareem. And Kareem argued with Wilt for decades until 1998
@@AnnieCruz_x well I like when old Wilt told Magic in a pickup game and a group of his peers no more layups and Wilt blocked their layups and that was that. Plus Wilt blocked Kareem's skyhook more than once.
“My prime and his prime. How much money would you be willing to bet?” 😅😂
thats what he said .......magic palyed wilt one on one........
I'd bet on Jordan.
Jordan: 3.75 billion dollars
@@whenisdinner2137pure idiot
@@81giorikasWill would've put Jordan on his ass.
Teamsport championships are won by a team, not by a solo individual. We can say that Ali, Federer and Michael Phelps won by themselves but saying that Jordan or Russell won championships like they won it by themselves is a dumb statement.
In total agreement...
Nobody said you have to win by yourself. You have to inspire and lead your team to win like MJ, Curry, Magic, Russell. These guys lead the team to championships. Just like Brady in the NFL. That’s true greatness.
You said it so i guess i don’t have to!
I have Kareem, Wilt, and Michael in Tier 1. Nobody can ever top these three players.
you should add bill russell
Prime bird 🕊️❤
Add Bill and the list is good
I was fortunate enough to see both Wilt and MJ when they were in their prime. Both took the league by storm when they were rookies. It took both a few seasons before they won NBA Champions. MJ had better coaches and personnel to play with. Wilt to me is the best Center to ever play in the NBA, MJ is the best Shooting Guard. Which I feel is the best way to compare players is by position, Every player on the court has different responsibilities.
I completely agree. I don't see the need to have a goat in team sports. Like you said you can't fairly compare a gaurd to a center. Not to mention most people can't properly judge other era's.
@robertfrazier1377 did wilt actually score 100 if u lived back then? im born in the 2000s so i would have no clue
@@chickywings7522 I personally wasn't alive during Wilts prime. But I did know someone who was a related to one of the knick players. Which he said it was embarrassing and how they tried and did everything to stop him from scoring 100. I know people like to suggest it didn't happen. But what are the chances of faking a 100 point game and for a black player? Plus Wilt scored multiple 60 and 70 point games about one month earlier with video evidence. Wilts worth looking into absolutely amazing athlete much more than just a basketball player.
@@chickywings7522 I was in Jr High at the time playing in a basketball tournament. The night Wilt scored 100 points we also had a game that night. On the way home the announcement came on the radio that Wilt had scored 100 points. We weren't that surprised, just remember that's the season he averaged 50 ppg and 25 rebounds.
@chickywings7522 there is a video on TH-cam which shows every point he scored in that game.
Michael didn't need a retort. He accomplished 4 championships at that point in time and probably figured, Eh I'll just get me a couple of more championships and have two 3-peats. In other words, that conversation only motivated Michael. I think Wilt was just a little jealous of Michael's success; it would be hard not to be when you think about it. Having four championships during that time and leading the Dreamteam and everyone is singing his name, "Like to be like Mike."Yeah, I would be a little jealous as well...
Stop the b.s Bill Russell have 11 rings and you quiet as hell about that. So don't dare try to use rings
@@theetruth8626 Look at the era in which Bill played in when the league was in its infancy and the lack of competition there of. The league when Bill started was a third to half the size of Michael Jordan's time and look at how many white boys there were then. Larry Bird himself said the best players were black. There were many more seven footers in the 80's and 90's than there were in the 60's and 70's... The 60's and 70's was a joke compared to the 80's and 90's NBA...
@@donkeytime1704 yeah to look at it means you gotta know it. Otherwise what is you looking at it for?
@@donkeytime1704 you obviously don't know nothing about that era. So how in the hell is you commenting on something you lack knowing about. Learn your history instead of taking it on yourself to create false narratives. School lesson if it was lesser teams than it is now or ever been in the NBA then that means it was more competitive because all the stars was crammed on those teams. Like Boston John Havlicek and many other superstars who where 6th men in WILT era. Then became the stars of the 70s. Do your research instead making yourself look like a complete idiot.
@@donkeytime1704 then also learn about history white boys was way tougher from back then. A brain is a terrible thing to waste Bob pettit Rick Barry John Havlicek and many more.
Wilt was the greatest in a different way than Mike was. There is an element of greatness in setting records that will NEVER be broken. There is an element of greatness in having so many records in the books fifty years later. There will never be a physical specimen like Wilt ever again. People overlook Wilt because they find it impossible to believe that someone like him could have ever existed.
Agreed I believe MJ is the best example of potential being fulfilled through winning in dominating fashion. Wilts potential may have not fulfilled what we expected as far as winning but what he was still able to accomplish still seems impossible to match today.
Excellent Points Sir...
not forgetting his body count too😄😄😄😜
Wilt reminds me of Westbrook. Stat chasing but it did nothing for the team. The object of the game is to win. Does anybody consider Westbrook the GOAT even though he demolished the triple double record.
@@christophercox936Wilt has 2 more championships and more points than Westbrick
I love Isiah but thats not honest. The Pistons got away with cheap shotting Jordan for years and he just got stronger with no rule change. Why the league might've took notice is because they were clipping Jordan mid air constantly which could be career ending. So they had to do address that but it was still a very physical league because those early 90's Knicks were Detroit light. Every team still had an enforcer on it until sometime after mids 90's the game cleaned up a lot.
Wilt Chamberlain will give you a lot of problems..... He was the G.O.A.T. in his Era...... Didn't win 11 title's but only 2 but he was a beast.....
Jordan is my G.O.A.T. I watched Jordan play won 6 title's in 8 years 6 MVP'S 10 scoring title's....etc ....
Wilt the Stilt will give you problems peroid smh
One problem i have with Wilt saying that is there's a legendary Harlem street basketball player by the name of Earl "The Goat" Manigault from back in his day. He was only 6'1 and apparently he gave Wilt problems when they played at Rucker Park. If Earl could give Wilt problems, MJ im very certain could as well
Fair answer: yes, Earl did give Wilt and just about everyone else problems at the Rucker games. But so did Jumping Jackie Jackson. You DO know that story--as told by Connie Hawkins: how Jackie illegally pinned a Wilt fadeaway against the backboard and didn't get called for goaltending because everyone was so stunned at the leap Jackie made to do it. Or...you DO know what happened to Gus Johnson when he came in for a dunk on Wilt, right? On the ground with a dislocated shoulder from bouncing off the floor. Yeah, MJ would have had his moments coming in on Wilt, but let's be sure: none of the centers who were dunked on by Michael were a match for Wilt. And when Wilt said "Don't come in the paint again," the flashy guards and forwards knew it was for their better interest.
Fair answer: yes, Earl did give Wilt and just about everyone else problems at the Rucker games. But so did Jumping Jackie Jackson. You DO know that story--as told by Connie Hawkins: how Jackie illegally pinned a Wilt fadeaway against the backboard and didn't get called for goaltending because everyone was so stunned at the leap Jackie made to do it. Or...you DO know what happened to Gus Johnson when he came in for a dunk on Wilt, right? On the ground with a dislocated shoulder from bouncing off the floor. Yeah, MJ would have had his moments coming in on Wilt, but let's be sure: none of the centers who were dunked on by Michael were a match for Wilt. And when Wilt said "Don't come in the paint again," the flashy guards and forwards knew it was for their better interest.
Michael could give wilt problems. But wilt would give MJ problems too
Michael could give wilt problems. But wilt would give MJ problems too
Michael could give wilt problems. But wilt would give MJ problems too
You can't compare eras. Too many differences.
We should appreciate what the NBA players of the time brought to the game.
So, there's no GOAT, because Jordan never played against Russell and Chamberlain never went against James. I paraphrased Thomas William Heinsohn.
Wtf, firstly who told you that Wilt is even a part of GOAT debate?? mf was a choker in finals and playoffs, secondly During bill And wilt era there were very less amount of teams and the players in those teams literally played basketball as a hobby
@@Ankit-gl4pq
Jony Arnett already debunked a few of your claims... There were a lot of talented players whom were elected into the HOF... But, instead of being spread among 30 teams, there were just 9!
Chamberlain played against a HOF center or PF for more than 65% of his NBA playoffs career!
Since you clearly never read books, watched a documentary or conducted research on the matter, I think you should watch the video I was talking about. Maybe, it would be easier for you to understand.
Have a great day my friend.
@@Ankit-gl4pqwilt wasn't a choker. He was a MVP. NBA champion and hall of famer
@@Ankit-gl4pqDespite the fact that wilt played against the second most HOF player at his position(only behind kareem and parish, which he played 7 years less than both) He PLAYED THE MOST TOTAL GAMES against another hof center….see list below lol
(mind you these are their barefoot heights, in the modern NBA you would add 1-2 inches to their height, as players have been measured in their shoes only after 1977)
C-Bill Russell: 6’10” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons)
C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Willis Reed: 6,10” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons)
C-Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons)
C-Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF
C-Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons)
C-Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season)
C-Elvin Hayes:6’9 “ HOF (22 games played in 4 seasons)
(Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’7) (26 times in 5 seasons)
(Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons)
(Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons)
(please note there are more HOF PF who guarded and were guarded by wilt chamberlain but the majority of them are 6’8 to 6’9)
SO THATS 574 OUT OF 1045…WHICH TRANSLATES TO 54% OF WILTS GAMES BEING PLAYED AGAINST ANOTHER HOF CENTER…
Jordan's comeback was holding up his hand with 5 rings.
There is another player with seven rings but you don't know his name because rings alone don't tell the whole story.
@@larky368that other player was a role player who averaged 10ppg, stop being a fool!
@@larky368 sigh......there's a lot of players with more than 5 rings but they're not in the GOAT conversation. Rings aren't the only measurement. To Jordan it is, so maybe he thinks Bill Russell is better than him, but I disagree. There's a lot that goes into it
@@truthteller552110 ppg isn't even that bad
@@truthteller5521Bill Russell ain't no role player
Wilt is overrated. He was a known stat padder and cared more about his stats. In the year he led the league in assists, his teammates said he passed up open shots to get his assist stats lol. THe fact that he never had the same ppg in the playoffs vs the regular season is telling. He crumbled in the biggest games while his rival Russell -- like MJ --- elevated in the crucial moments. It's a myth that Russell had better teams. Russell just knew how to win. Russell stats would significantly increase during the biggest moments while Wilt would underperform.
Bill Russell average 14 ppg on 37% from the floor vs Wilt and 16ppg on 38% from the floor vs HOF Centers in the finals.
His only great performances in the finals came against average centers.
I was about to write just this, Wilt was the LeFraud of the 60s, just a stat padder. As you said so accurately Wilt always crumbled in the big moments, 2 times was he able to win. All he had was his huge size and physical abilities in an era where most players where just picking up the game from other sports... Most people don't know about this cuz most people where not alive or never bothered to watch the games, but yes, Wilt was 80% overrated, (not as much as LeFraud thou xD)
Despite the fact that wilt played against the second most HOF player at his position(only behind kareem and parish, which he played 7 years less than both) He PLAYED THE MOST TOTAL GAMES against another hof center….see list below lol
(mind you these are their barefoot heights, in the modern NBA you would add 1-2 inches to their height, as players have been measured in their shoes only after 1977)
C-Bill Russell: 6’10” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons)
C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Willis Reed: 6,10” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons)
C-Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons)
C-Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF
C-Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons)
C-Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season)
C-Elvin Hayes:6’9 “ HOF (22 games played in 4 seasons)
(Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’7) (26 times in 5 seasons)
(Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons)
(Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons)
(please note there are more HOF PF who guarded and were guarded by wilt chamberlain but the majority of them are 6’8 to 6’9)
SO THATS 574 OUT OF 1045…WHICH TRANSLATES TO 54% OF WILTS GAMES BEING PLAYED AGAINST ANOTHER HOF CENTER…
Wilt faced nothing but Hall of Famers and top 75 players in a far less diluted league.
Great Points Sir...Thanks for breaking it down...
Great job in doing your homework, thanks
Jordan is the best ever. This guy avg 30 a game and 33 in the playoffs, 6-0 skipped four years and didn't come out of hs. That makes 6 extra years we would not know about how greater he should be by playing 21 years.
Despite the fact that wilt played against the second most HOF player at his position(only behind kareem and parish, which he played 7 years less than both) He PLAYED THE MOST TOTAL GAMES against another hof center….see list below lol
(mind you these are their barefoot heights, in the modern NBA you would add 1-2 inches to their height, as players have been measured in their shoes only after 1977)
C-Bill Russell: 6’10” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons)
C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Willis Reed: 6,10” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons)
C-Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons)
C-Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF
C-Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons)
C-Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season)
C-Elvin Hayes:6’9 “ HOF (22 games played in 4 seasons)
(Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’7) (26 times in 5 seasons)
(Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons)
(Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons)
(please note there are more HOF PF who guarded and were guarded by wilt chamberlain but the majority of them are 6’8 to 6’9)
SO THATS 574 OUT OF 1045…WHICH TRANSLATES TO 54% OF WILTS GAMES BEING PLAYED AGAINST ANOTHER HOF CENTER…
Wilt averaged like 35-25 in playoffs. When it comes to stats, MJ aint at the top, sorry
@@1vaultdweller Chamberlain averaged 22.5 points in play-off, not 35
@@1vaultdwellerAnd faced more Hall of Famers at his position not bums like John Starks, Nick Anderson, Craig Ehlo, and Hershey Hawkins, and Scott Skiles.
@@terredelsogno856 At his prime he averaged 35-25. Wilt has the best peak stats and peak averages ever
Notice Isaiah couldn’t point to ONE rule change that helped Jordan. I mean if your going to emphatically claim that there were rule changes for MJ maybe at least try to make one up. We all know Isaiah has no problem making things up.
How about doing some research instead of wanting people to give you the information? But here I'll give you two illegal offensive rule and flagrant fouls. There are more.
@@jasonnelson6624the illegal offensive rule was designed to keep Jordan from running ISO's but it helped Jordan?
@@JC-Utopic-Gauntlet I may have got it confused with the defensive rule. But if im wrong completely it doesn't change the fact that the game was changed. Some will say it was to make it easier for Jordan. I personally think they saw profit with Jordan and they wanted to maximize profit. We saw how refs would give superstars diffrent treatment not just Jordan. Besides the guy said there wasn't any and just with the flagrent foul rule proves there was.
@@jasonnelson6624the game was changed in the same ways to stop Wilt (illegal offense). Wilt did not have people trying to take his head off and the flagrant foul rule was obviously needed and made the game better for it.
@@jasonnelson6624you can't make the argument that the NBA was trying to make the game "easier" on Jordan after the NBA passed a rule to slow Jordan down. Easier is not the same as healthy.
Wilt had a higher FG% because most of his FGA came from 1-3ft away, in other words, dunks, lay ups, and put backs. Which are very high percentage shots
@ Henry_Hoops SHOW US FOOTAGE of Jordan saying he was the greatest on TV? It never happened, because MJ never said that. You LIED @12:03.
*Lets avoid misinformation from drama TH-camrs. Wilt Chamberlain regularly confronted Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and Michael Jordan to tell them they are not so good.*
*Larry Bird and Magic Johnson said nothing back to Wilt. I think Wilt told Magic if he guarded him Magic would not take a jumpshot. Jordan argued back with Wilt because he is Jordan. He has a temper. If you start an argument with him he will argue back. But it was Kareem Abdul Jabbar who didnt give Wilt the silent treatment.*
Great video, fresh perspective on the tired old GOAT debate
thanks man! I love NBA folklore like this.. Hopefully it gets more views over time so i can continuing digging for stories like this !
All I can say LeBron also change the NBA... Look at them fouls, NBA is now LeBrons Puppy... No one player change the NBA to this pile of Sh and giving the Lakers tons of Free Throws just to make LeBron look Good.
LMAO.
Wilt has always been the GOAT!!But Wilt himself said, “Nobody roots for Goliath “.
Wilt averaged a pathetic 22ppg for his playoff career and an Abysmal 18ppg for his Finals career for a 2W-4L record.
On top of that, he averaged a disgraceful 37% on his Free Throws in the NBA Finals for his Career.
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Jordan >>>> Wilt
im a huge wilt fan and i dont like what ur saying tough man
if you want to fight bring it on punk
give ur location so we can settle this tough man
Having rings does not predicate that you're the best it's a team effort, Russell has more that's why Jordan to challenge him, Wilt was very smart.
Wilt da real 🐐
Exactly 💯 MJ is not beating Wilt.
Love it how they managed that beef without public low blows and stuff like that.
In my opinion a Center can never be the GOAT 🐐 because they’re TALLER than everybody else. That’s an advantage right from the start. (7’2) Also Wilt has a 2-4 Finals record and he shot free throws UNDERHANDED
Wilt told MJ: « WE DONE WITH THE 90s »
MJ is just a straight up basketball beast nerves of steel.
Wilt was double teamed, triple teamed, and maybe even quadruple teamed..
Wilt was punched, kicked, bit and gouged.
"They" changed the rules to shut Wilt down,
and the man still dominated.
Wilt isn't the GOAT, he's the GOAT's GOAT.
IMO Wilt was probably better. When I discuss the GOAT I start with this qualifier- "If we take Wilt out of the equation then Mike."
I got Wilt #4 all time. Great player, amazing stats but he lacked the clutch gene. He’d have more rings if he had the dog in him instead of excuses.
Wilt Chamberlain didn't want to kill nobody. The players that played against him said they were glad that Wilt was nice man. Wilt blocked a player shot and he went to the floor . They had to take him out on a stretcher
Wilt had clutch defensive plays in the 72 nba finals
The only two guys legitimately in the GOAT conversation.
Your half right!
If with your video I’ll still take Wilt Chamberlain over Michael Jordan
*FYI, Henry Hoopa didnt mention how Wilt regularly approached NBA superstars to say he is better than them. He fabricated this story with the angle that Wilt and Jordan had a beef. Just Wilt spoke of Jordan. It was so one-sided Wilt had to confront Jordan to start the argument.*
The shot percentage argument is a bad take. Frontcourt players will always have higher percentages than backcourt players because they play closer to the basket and operate in mostly layups and dunks. Jordan as a high volume shooting backcourt player was 50% for his career as a Chicago Bull. That percentage is on par with most centers.
As far as the rule changes. It was less about Wilts greatness and more about his height advantage. Being 7 feet tall isn't a skill.
They changed no rule to help Jordan dominate. Wilts just as stupid as everyone else that hates Jordan. If you wanna say the rules helped him win, fine. But he already dominated. Zeke is disingenuous because yeah he got hit just like everyone else. But y'all were literally trying to end his career, you had a defensive strategy for one player not everyone else. I'm so tired of everyone tearing down Jordan constantly. Why don't y'all f off and talk about players you like
"We are tired of people tearing Jordan down"
The same reason we are tired of the people tearing Lebron down
@@johnlemon2916 bron is not better than Bill Jordan and wilt,stop it
@@魏旭林 he is
@@johnlemon2916 stay foolish and cry more
We have not forgotten WILT. This generation has, our generation and prior have not. Don't speak for us
Wilt and Michael played different positions which required different roles. Michael was the best at what he did and Wilt was the best at what he did. They played in different eras and the style of games were different. It is not fair to compare them.
The NBA needs to pay one of these coaches or analysts to go back and watch game footage of Wilt and chart all of his blocked shots in each game of his career regular season and playoffs. People who saw Wilt play know that no player even comes close, Kareem, Olajuwon, and Mutumbo are trash compared to Wilt Chamberlain as a shot blocker. Shaq couldn't cope with Wilt either. Wilt was like a Jordan level Center. Only thing Wilt couldn't do is make free throws when he wanted to.
Also 2 of the biggest pair of Hands in NBA history.
Jordan = poetry in motion. Chamberlain = Lurch from Adam’s family.
I think Beasley, JJ Barea, Jason Terry, Paul Pierce and Daddy Jokic has something to say about this. No one should claim to be the GOAT, so disrespectful of the legends.
I think Danny Ainge, John Salley, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, Vinnie Johnson Kobe 55 Bryant would disagree.
@@hitek9too255 why? do you think someone should claim to the be greatest like Ali?
@@popcorn_tuberif they think they are then they should. Imagine being called the goat because you're "the humble one"
That's not nothing that would leave. Nobody speechless bro. Isaiah. Thomas said that they change the rules so that Michael Jordan could dunk. No they changed the rules because y'all was giving people injuries that were not necessary. Look at what y'all done to Kurt rambis. Look at how y'all done him. Y'all done Mike the same way and the league got tired of y'all. They start calling the fowl Y'all or just all jealous of this dude Michael Jeffrey Jordan why I don't know what is so hard for y'all. The man dominated the game like no other. Nobody else can do it like he done it with such grace and style and precision. Got a lot of people coming up close but nobody can touch him. The only person that came close was Kobe jelly bean Bryant
Why you jack the SB nation style thumbnail tho?
Sorry but thats again just not a good point. Wilt is not in the top 5. And he was a loss hunter, just as LeBron James. Its the same Player in another ERA. No heart for the game, to much talking about himself. No wins dough, nothing to back up the talk.
He played against bad Players, and had only 12 teams in his league. Hot the Eff he thinks he is close. Talentwise yeah, but never actually did something.
Check out the video coach Larry Brown talks about an old retired Wilt Chamberlain playing with four college students versus magic Johnson and for pro players AC Green, James Worthy, Byron Scott and the other potential goat Bernard King.
Also you guys should know the reference of goat was a bad thing back in these times. Someone being called a goat was like someone being called a hill not a good thing
I know who is the greatest basketball player of all time!
Its: Chuck Norris
People who think championships define a player's greatness must think that Eli Manning was a better QB than Dan Marino. Tell me you know nothing about sports without telling me you know nothing about sports. Winning championships is the measure of coaches, not players. Who could have possibly beat Wilt in a one on one game of basketball in his prime? Nobody!
Jordan didn't have a comeback because it was TRUE.
Fragrant Foul Rules, 3-point line moved in, letting Jordan get away with travels and tick tack fouls all helped Jordan win.
And GOAT should be eras. Jordan is the GOAT of the 1990's. It stops there.He didn't win in the 1980's. Being GREATEST means WINNING.
One Can't be the "Greatest" and Losing. You are only great when you win.
Imagine you can break the rules because a game is young and you are the only one with the physical gifts to do so and then say "they changed the rules to stop me from dominating". No they changed it because it was bs and rules were easily abusable back then.
Wilt with all his gift only got two chips and those were later on in his carreer when his gifts diminished and he had to learn to play winning basketball.
Right? They need to play basketball. Not injuring people because it's not in the rule or punishment is not so bad.
No, they changed the rules because they had no way otherwise of controlling how much Wilt was dominating the league. There wasn't anyone who could stop him, and you have to remember how many times he faced one of the most dominant defensive centers in Bill Russell in the '60s. He didn't have the quality of teammates, either, and certainly not the best coaches, Bill Van Breda Kolff being a prime example. At least Alex Hannum knew how to coach Wilt.
WILT got 2 rings because he played under tougher conditions and tougher defense
WILT won 2 rings because he played under tougher and more restricted conditions and tougher competition which lead to the easier conditions for Jordan to play thru. Keep facts as facts
Some people in these comments have no respect for basketball history and that's a shame. Hope you guys do some research one of these days.
Prime Shaq and The Dream would keep Wilt quiet.
An old Kareem was giving Young Hakeem and Sampson 30 a game...Imagine what a PRIME Wilt would do?
Nah. They'd have to have a FT shooting contest to settle the debate. 😀
The Jordan lovers and Stans always wanna discredit the great Isaiah Thomas, and they always wanna discredit WILT, discredit Who wilt played against, His statistics, say he didn’t win enough titles etc, all because they didn’t see him play. But Wilt chamberlain can actually be considered the great athlete of all time not just basketball player. Wilt was drafted to the NFL, competed in the Olympics and played volleyball also..There has never been another Wilt Chamberlain
*Jordan didnt answer back to Lavar Ball. Who repeatedly said he was better than MJ. When MJ was asked why he stayed quiet, MJ said these situations dignify no response.*
MJ is not the talkative type. He lets off his steam in snaply rage filled remarks, then stays back quiet. Kareem gave Wilt the back and forth argument for decades.
10:08 Wilt was right tbh
The difference between these two players is obvious. MJ is a fierce competitor. A player who takes no prisoners. MJ is not a nice guy and when it comes to competitive spirit MJ is the GOAT. Wilt however was a nice guy. It seemed Wilt wasn't even trying when he played. Honestly, I get the feeling that he loved the game but it wasn't his passion in life. MJ on the other hand personified basketball. It was his soul purpose in life. Basketball defined Jordan's very being. If Wilt had loved the game with the same competitive spirit as Michael there is no doubt that he could have made this debate ridiculous. Wilt would have been the GOAT of GOATs. In my estimation...Michael gave everything he had to the game. Wilt gave half.
“He (Wilt) thought & rightfully so; that he was the greatest basketball player who ever lived”!…….bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain is one of The NBA'S All Time Greats...but when it comes to Michael Jordan, He's simply Thee GOAT of The NBA.
Michael Jordan is the greatest all-around player ever. However, Wilt Chamberlain in his prime played against Michael Jordan. Michael would flat-out lose against Will Chamberlain. End of discussion. And to be frank it wouldn't even be close.
Jordan would've adjusted to whatever changes the NBA implemented and he still would've dominated. Sorry Wilt.
Wilt isn't even top5. He couldn't beat Bill Russell ONCE during his own era.
Bill Russell had 8 HOF players on that team. That like trying to beat an All Star team (Old School All Stars...modern day is a joke)
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@truthiscensored maybe you forgot 1969. Lakers had Elgin Baylor, Wilt, Jerry West, etc. They were the number 1 team in the league, and yet still lost to the Celtics.
1967 says otherwise
@@BoosterGoldEarth6wilt also beat Bill Russel multiple times. However Russel and Chamberlain didn't play each other because basketball is a team sport
I think Mike could've and should've said that's because you were taller than 90% of the league and they had to keep the fans interested somehow.
I always thought MJ would never call himself the goat. Thus making him the goat.
Tackling Michael Jordan and purposely trying to HURT him is NOT basketball. Here’s the real question: if the Pistons didn’t play DIRTY, would they have beaten the Bulls before the “Flagrant Foul” rule began?
So Wilt says it wouldn’t have been good for Mike if he played in Wilt’s era. So was Wilt’s era going to be worse than the Pistons were to Jordan? I doubt it.
Yes it was and that was the conditions that WILT won his championships under where Jordan couldn't win under. Let facts sink in
MJ is right you can not compare players from different era's
Wilt Chamberlain led the lead when it wasn't anything but 12 teams. Or was it 15 teens? That's it. He didn't have nobody to even dominate the competition didn't exist because it wasn't even enough teams and I don't give me wrong. Will Chamberlain is a great playoff standing. I mean if I had a Mount Rushmore him and Jordan wouldn't even be on the mount rushmore because they would be standing above the Mount Rushmore. Looking down that the other players they are two players that are in their own atmosphere
A 7’ super tall goat vs a more normal 6’-6” goat, of course people are going to give mj the edge…
I'm not sure what they mean by changing the rules for MJ to dominate. MJ was getting mugged by the Pistons and many other teams because they couldn't stop him. And if they changed the rules to make it harder for Wilt that would mean that MJ also played under those rule changes also. MJ is the goat and there's no debating that it's just facts and the stats along with many other things prove that! If you disagree then do yourself a favor and go watch his games! For real sit down and watch his games and you'll see for yourself.
And why wilt has only 2rings😂😂😂 he was considered as a loser (rick barry book). Jordan shot over 50% during 88/93. The nba did not change the rules to help jordan,a fakeass narrative told by haterz😂😂
Despite his big stats in season WILT WAS FAIALLING IN THE PLAYOFFS. WHATS THE POINT TO SCORE 50PTS IN SEASON AND THEN IN PLAYOFFS YOU VANISH😂😂😂😂😂😂
JORDAN is the playoffs god and the GOAT straight UP 😂🤣
And Rick Barry came out and said he was wrong and mad at that time and WILT was the greatest player ever.
"Wilt Chamberlain dominated the NBA from the moment he touched the court." Nah, he didn't. Chamberlain started playing in the NBA in 1959. He won his first championship in 1967, so EIGHT years later. You know who dominated the NBA in these eight years? Bill Russel and his Celtics! You know why? They won the championship EVERY YEAR without fail during that period! Then Chamberlain won once and the next two season Russel's Celtics would win again! Twice in a row! Chamberlain was clearly one of the two best players from the moment he started playing in the NBA. But he clearly didn't dominate the entire league as Bill Russel was at least his equal. Not as flashy and ethletic maybe, but more effective in the end.
Interesting video. MJ is still the GOAT though lol. No debate in my mind.
Wilt Chamberlain - Lost in the NBA Finals. Unfortunately, you can't claim GOAT Status with a blemish like that.
It was all about the times If Jordan was playing during Wilt's time a would have O Rings. He would have NEVER been able to get Near the hoop from Wilt's teams, he couldn't even do it when 6' 10 Shawn Kemp was near the paint. MJ couldn't Tie Wilt's shoelaces. Wilt would have easily been 8 or 9 championship's playing I his league Now.
*The Wilt vs Jordan beef is as one-sided as Pippen vs Jordan. In both cases Jordan barely responded yet you drama TH-camrs overblow it.*
Kareem is the only person to talk back to Wilt since Kareem's personality enables back and forth verbal drama. Magic Johnson stays quiet unless respectfully spoken to. Jordan explodes in a rage before staying quiet. Kareem went back and forth with Wilt for decadea
U must be slow or something? Until Jordan can do what WILT did under the same conditions as WILT nightly then yeah it's 1 sided. But why do you speak on topics u clueless of
The NBA finals was Wilt's kryptonite but Michael's edge of greatness
Nobody I mean nobody could beat the 60s Celtics they won 11. Jordan beat a watered down 90s against the sonics,suns,jazz not the same
The Goat debate should be reserved for post season performers. Who cares about a regular season award. ? Magic , Bird , MJ, Kobe, LBJ, Bill Russ, and Wilt. All have Post season stats to back their debate
I don't like the shooting percentage thing. The reason is that Chamberlain, like most centres generally have a high shooting percentage due to 0-3ft range. Jordan took the majority of his shots from the midrange. Therefore, Jordan is the better shooter.
Who cares about shooting when dominating the post has always been the most impactful part of basketball
@@theetruth8626 You just proved my point. The league was dominated by a 6'6 shooting guard from mostly the mid-range who could also post up and take it to the hoop.
@@casual35 i just proved that a big has and will always be the best player
@@theetruth8626 Typically, yes. But Jordan was a 6'6 shooting guard and dominated. Even Shaq was terrified of him. You clearly don't know basketball.
@@casual35 you clearly don't understand basketball silly. Jordan dominate a watered down era where it had expansion teams that deluded the era. Learn your history
Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever.
Wilt talked so much shīt against Jordan for a perennial playoff choker / ONLY a two-time champion. Imagine if Hakeem was a self-absorbed maniac who kept dissing the likes of Kobe or Timmy.
kareem spoke on wilt.........he was unbelievable.....-kareem
Wilt didn't know what he was talking about but one of the reasons he was a two time champion is the lack of trades in the rules of the league then.
NOBODY did things easier for Jordan. How did he think of that?
Honestly, I would be frustrated as Wilt because of how it appeared that MJ was getting so much extra attention, money, and support as a superstar while Wilt was bound by his time.
Wilt averaged a pathetic 22ppg for his playoff career and an Abysmal 18ppg for his Finals career for a 2W-4L record.
On top of that, he averaged a disgraceful 37% on his Free Throws in the NBA Finals for his Career.
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Jordan >>>> Wilt
@@noobslayer69b81MJ deserved that attention, he wasn't a guy who only performed in Regular games and choked in playoffs and finals
I don’t know what’s up with Wilt.Maybe he is the greatest but if he is not,he is sure top 5 or top 3.
Almost all greatest achievements was bagged by Jordan... 80 s and 90s NBA basketball was the hardest era of all time because of the stiff defense they've being applied during NBA games
Wilt is the perfect example of "No I in team"
Respect.
"I like to think that I was the best when I leave this game in the 15 years" doesn`t meant that he thinks he is the GOAT smh.
Jordan has always been cautious in his public interviews when it comes to the all-time greats whether he won his 1st championship or 1st 3peat or 2nd 3peat. Even in an post game interview in 1996 when Bulls won 70 games in a season just 1 year before 1997 50th year ceremony, Jordan said it is unfair justice to compare players from different eras.
The conversation with Chamberlain had no effect on Jordan's stance. In the first place, the conversation with Chamberlain was more about Jordan dealing with Wilt, who was already notorious for blabbering at the time, and at the end of the day, he decided that the nonsense about rule changes wasn't even worth responding to.
There are a few rule changes that people think helped Jordan : Illegal offense rule & Flagrant rule
The illegal offense rule was implemented to stop Jordan after he scored 37.1ppg averaged, not to help him. and the flagrant rule was implemented for the safety of all players in the league.
Still, Wilt had more nice things to say about Jordan than I expected. He also said that every player in the league should pay Jordan 10% of their salaries in taxes. In fact, the player he dissed the most was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, whose career paths overlapped a bit, and Kareem was so fed up with Wilt's bullshit that he sent him a letter titled 'Wilt Chumpulame'.
If you bring up quotes the most important thing to do is to show jordan saying he can’t call himself the goat cuz of guys like wilt he didn’t prove himself against and wilt big upping bill Russell as the goat. But truth does go beyond quotes. Here’s the truth.
It’s awesome to be a fan but bias is causing the game and the culture to suffer. We must cut the bias and give objective takes in 2024 we have no excuse.
The supposedly sub par performances wilt has are better than most players greatest performances in the playoffs and you can’t find any sub par performances of jordan Lebron Kobe magic shaq Kareem etc that come close to wilts sub par performances all across the board cuz they are simply that much inferior and held to that much of a lower standard.
Most biased fans for MJ call great games only great if you score a lot or in high bunches totally contradicting themselves in the fact that bill has the most chips and highest success career rate while avg half the points MJ n wilt did for a career proving scoring is nowhere near the most impressive thing or the most likely way to win for a single individual to be puttin up high numbers in.
For every low scoring game, Wilt dominated defensively and rebounding simultaneously and even did so with assisting great sometimes as well. Wilt knew how to dominate games with high scoring bunches like jordan but also how to dominate with rebounding and defense like bill Russell which jordan does not know how to do which is why when the comp was so much greater in the 80s, MJ couldn’t get over the hump and only did it in the 90s
Wilt is clearly MJ and bill combined and MJ is not wilt and bill combined at all
MJ is top 10 which is incredible given how many people played the game, most popular player ever fully taking the league by storm when the media era for basketball took off in the 90s and cameras were far more prevalent and advanced than the 60s n early 70s
But when it comes to wilt there’s no comparison. Wilt is far better at rebounding and defending than jordan could ever be considered better at passing and scoring (not even FG%) whether you compare them relative to their positions or not
Beyond that, jordan succeeded in the 90s as things got far easier than the 80s where as wilt won in both the 60s and 70s in an era where he had the goat dynasty to contend with in the 60s, and the all time knicks and most hofs players and goat teams at one time to deal with in the early 70s
Wilt dealt with far tougher rules, more competitive league with less spots available yet higher difficulty of rules, higher science of no salvation basketball but rather higher passing iq and efficient dribbling instead of over dribbling resulting in faster pace which is also harder to keep up with athletically and skill through fatigue, harder rims to shoot on, more hof teams that outnumber his own by numerous hofs and won against multiple where as jordan never won against a team that outnumbered his own by 2 or more hofs, 2 hand check plus zone defenses and no flagrant fouls or flopping or load management while never ever fouling out despite playing agreesive D and leading in blocks endless times and sticking with smaller forwards and guards as well as hakeem could and chasedown blocks like lebron and stamina like no other and faster than most in history at 7 foot 1 but stronger than all in history etc…
Wilt simply brings more to the table to far higher extents overall against even more difficult circumstances Clear cut better than jordan and top 2 ever alongside Russell
All objective proof beyond bias and opinion. Very well documented
MJ played in the real NBA. And he played against men who were as good as Wilt ala Shaq Hakeem Robinson Patrick and dominated all. Not to mention in the modern NBA won 6 championships. Wilt only 2. Is there any doubt MJ is by far the best. Wilt talking if MJ came inside what did he do against Shaq. Come in man.
To me Wilt is the 2nd best player of all time after Michael Jordan.
MJ is the greatest. Michael Jordan always took the clutch shots and won championships Wilt Chamberlain was good too but never one of the ball when it was time to win
Stop lying
The GOAT is Wilt. Always has been.
MJ 🐐 but honestly Besides Kareem , wilt should most definitely be considered in goat talk
The thumbnail is so similar to secret base beef history I thought it is by them…
Wilt and Michael - respect each other. Both dominant and highly competitive.
Wilt played in one of the weakest nba eras in history when You’re playing against white guys that are 8 inches shorter than you of course he’s gonna score that much
Well two of them are warriors, great arguments between them, Jordan had to challenge him.
Wilt played in brons type of defense and in Jordan’s era it got soft asf after he cried
How many teams were in the league when Wilt played?
Ohhhh ok
I'm not taking anything away from Wilt but he was straight hating. 😂
5:41 clip always be crazy to me , Jokic shit 50 years ago .
I think one of the things I really admire about Jordan is how he doesn't go around telling people he's the greatest unlike the pretend GOAT that plays today.
Looks like someone was living rent free in your head
@@johnlemon2916 Sounds like your head is too small for a family of one to live in comfortably.
Wilt always delivered, MJ had the best team that's a great factor why he is 6-0, except it Wilt has the number!
Wilt didn't deliver. He folded in the playoffs. He finally won after he stopped scoring. Wilt played with 11 HOFers and 6 NBA Top 50 players. Do some research.
@@RatedRex1 Wilt is the uncrowned GOAT in my eyes!!! Numbers don't lie.