My biggest problem with this titan is that it screams Chaos Three point in particular - It's faceplate is ripped directly from a Chaos cultist mask, the chainsword protector that screams corn, and it's iconoclast name that it shares with a chaos cruiser
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Yeah, but THOSE armies had little to no ranged weaponry (at most bows and arrows), whereas Titan Legions during the Horus Heresy have access to all sorts of WMDs for their basic armament that could overwhelm an Iconoclast's void shields well before it reached its enemies.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Historically heavy infantry was rarely used alone other than to defend a position. In most cases it was used together with mobile troops (light infantry/cavalry) or ranged troops (archers/siege weapons).
@@matthiuskoenig3378 during the ancient and high medieval period armour technology outdid weapon technology. Armoured footknights in 13th/14th century are almost invunerable to standard arrows and bolts if they don´t get hit in the visor or one of the weakpoints at the joints. In 40k, titans regularly get oneshot.
personally i think this model is stupid for one reason and one reason alone. it is a siege titan. it is for destroying fortifications in-lore. where are the fortifications in-game? you cant give me something that doesnt have a target and expect me to like it.
@@bonchachan6061 Shield projector tech was... But this thing is just a placeholder or for tier3 "trues fans" .... Does it worth for kitbash bits? Meh... where is thé charming madness of old Titanicus
Most "big drills" in the 40K setting are not scaled up hand drills though, there based on stuff used mining, tunneling or demolition. I think its easy to imagine this pushed against a building or another titan inflicting a lot of damage with such a large drill surface, with the claw as well the building is likely to collapse beyond just the drill itself and allow it to push forward. As far as the chainsword goes I don't think thats intended to be a "guard", its intended to be something which is hooked into an enemy/building to hold it in place as it cuts into it. So you have two parts to the weapon, the front bit used in a more conventional way slashing an enemy and the underside with the "guard" used for more prolonged cutting. Lore wise I think you could argue its really intended to be a siege titan moreso than it is a melee titan.
Excellent video! It's great when you're salty with your GW 'Scrubdowns' Would love to see a review of some of Warlord Games Ranges, see what you think of their sci-fi miniatures.
A wrecking ball on a massive titan would be amazing! It fits better than the chainsword imo but still over the top with the lethality of something so massive in 40k
I made a wrecking ball for a Warlord by gluing a plastic ball to a jewelry chain that’s glued to the crane terrain kit. The Warlord’s fist is holding the crane like a flail :D
Good video, you made your point well. You totally don’t have to like the Titan, and I understand why you don’t. I do though and I’d like to take a second to explain why. The first is simple, I really like the hulking melee unit, and I think this pulls it off a lot better than the warlord. The warlord claw arm is just so short that it’s hard to imagine it being able to actually use in in combat. The arm for the drill here is significantly longer, and so it looks a lot more like it was made for the use. And for the drill, the way I saw it is that the warmaster is supposed to punch in, have the finger things grip into whatever it’s hitting, and either pull out heavy armour plates or stick in and hold what it’s hitting in place. The drill then pushes out from the hand and gets to work. This way the guard protects the drill, which needs to stay functional in order for the weapon to be at all practical, and the claw things also serve a purpose. The question of what the heck is this thing hitting still remains, but for me that just adds charm to it. Titanicus is already a ridiculous setting, and I’m willing to let that slide out of sheer enjoyment of its design. As for the chainsword, I’m pretty sure the guard piece doesn’t actually cover the teeth anywhere other than where the spike piece is, so that wouldn’t impede function too much. And I guess I took the spike piece to be a claw to pull other titans down or back so that you can get to work. I will admit, that part of it is still pretty stupid, but I still think it looks cool so again, I’m willing to overlook it. And the fact that most titans can put run the thing is made up for by two things in my opinion. The first is the reactor upgrade that makes it significantly faster, and the second is the fact that titans can’t really back up, meaning this thing has the durability to just run at most titans and as he’s going to reach them and tear them apart before they can do the same to him. And again, I just think it looks cool, and that’s what really matters to me. I’m afraid I’m a sucker for the rule of cool.
I really like the idea of the drill working like the apothecary’s gauntlet where the spike shoots out into the skull and then retracts. It’d be super neat if the outer claws grabbed and then the spike just shot out and decimated it
I personally think that the sword works for this guy when you imagine the thing swinging the blade into a wall then using the pick to tear the wall apart
Titans are neat and all but honestly, just think about how much work went into this one model that could've potentially made 20 other kits for either 30K or 40K, or both.
From the wording of the article that doesn't seem possible? It sounds as if the sword is the only limb option for one arm and only the claw can be swapped over for the grav imploder. Which is annoying seening as literally no other titan has such a restriction.
Ah, I thought the drill on the left hand was some kinda plasma launcher thingy. Didn't quite get the jokes about it not being able to reach stuff before. I thought Titans were supposed to be really large weapon platforms. Why make a dedicated melee one that is also the largest and slowest around? Gonna get shot to pieces and kited to oblivion.
The claw thing looks like it could be a reimagining of the Corvus Assault Pod weapon from old Titanicus. Punch it into an enemy fortress/titan and deploy a company of troops into the enemy's heart. Like a Boarding Torpedo mixed with a titan's fist
Really missed a trick not reintroducing the corvus assault pod here. They are in the new mortis novel, be a more viable weapon seeing 50 assault marines launch out of it to plant charges on an enemy time.
Yeah bling does some amazing stuff. If it was an absolute necessity it was designed ‘just’ for close combat. I’d made the carapace special location a EMP weapon to disable targets so it could actually catch.
I always thought the chainsword wasn't a real "sword" but was more like a jigsaw tool, using the guard to guide the blade and cut open or weaken any fortification. Obviously, they don't tell us, but it seems quite possible that this might be the case with this unit.
Having been a long time soldier and then in the American Military industrial complex world I have to say I can understand how this titan was green lit during the golden age of technology.
There's a difference between an impractical design and something designed to be impractical. The latter hits way harder against the suspension of disbelief. It's a serious problem when a design element is so clearly a conscious addition - a deviation from the obvious, not an oversight - and yet clearly inferior to that same obvious "default". Frustratingly, this seems to be increasingly common in GW design.
I understand your criticism. As long as you don't have to take just the CC weapons. being able to take 1 plasma destructor with the drill i think it would be awesome.
Looks like the chainsaw guard is intended to book used as a hook for leverage so you can hold onto the enemy titan part as you chop through it with the teeth. Not impractical imo
But the guard is so much wider than the teeth, once the blade cuts down deep enough that the guard bottoms out, the teeth, no matter how powerful will be useless. That distance is exactly the depth of the teeth. So anything thicker than that is safe from harm.
@@TheOuterCircle No, you just pull on the hook, push back with the blade. If you don't have the hook you rely on the enemy driving into to you (or luckily being trapped by something else) to keep cutting. Which is why chainswords are dumb weapons in the first place and why the satisfying scenes of one's being used from games or whatever rely on the top surface of the blade. A chainsword has three useful cutting points, the area on the lower edge where the user can use its weight to bear down (closest to the hilt), the top edge where you use the targets weight to bear down, and the tip where the user can push it's weight forward and/or use the resistance/momentum of the target. The hook where it is basically adds a second useful cutting space on the lower blade which will catch things escaping the other cutting space. It can also conceivably work as a barb but unless it's fighting some xenos mega beast of epic proportions that is probably not useful. Most usefully of all though is the ability to hook enemy titans and pull them over or in to the fist, but the rest of the sword is superfluous for that. A chainsword is trying to use two opposite concepts at once which is kind of problematic. A Chainsaw uses weight to push the target against against the chain. A sword uses momentum to impart energy to the blade. You can't do both at once. Against flesh you can just decide the chain is very sharp so it acts like a sword most of the time but the user can bear down on it like a saw if needed. Against massive machines however you are never going to use it like a sword.
@@DoddyIshamel uh, no. A chainsaw works because the teeth are wider than the guide bar, (that bit the blade runs around) where in this case, the guide bar is surrounded by the guard which means that the teeth cannot dig in because the guard will eventually butt up to whatever you strike.
@@TheOuterCircle Why? What is it going to hit? Never mind, I see what you mean with the guard, I have only been talking about the hook. Every chainfist in the 40k universe has been that way though.
I had a similar reaction to the dogmata for sisters. I really do not like the model, the pose is bad, the finger's nasty along with other complaints. But the corporate simps/shills bow down to the almighty corp in its infinite wisdom. I will kitbash one from other kits, maybe get some Anvil industry parts and a second hand repentia superior or cannoness off eBay. Maybe even both. But I ain't touching the dogmata model itself
Who designed those weapons and how did they see them working? Let alone what it would be useful on ... The range it would have to be to the target is mental compared to its size. I don't see the point of close combat weapons one you get to the size of a warlord class one. Shells and plasma can destroy fortifications from much safer distances ...
imagine if they had added a voidship engine grade jump pack to it, makes no sense but hey, its big, its silly, and iomagine the sight of a skyscraper sized titan jumping into the air to reach anotehr titan and causing earthquakes as it lands
I agree that there should be a point to the wargear. Like you mentioned, what exactly is this thing going to hit with the drill or chainsword, that is not the same size as itsself?
I think this could have been done better if instead of the drill and chainsword the other arm was a similarly designed lightning claw, or even though it would be kinda weird some sort of short range breaching melta/laser
Didn't the Warmaster titans in the Siege of terra books have massive cables attached to their backs going back to support units behind them on the ground keeping them powered?
The idea of huge and slow robots made for melee is already silly, such weapon mobile platform should shot kilometers away from target and nothing should be able to come close. However if I decide to accept melee titans, I can make sense of this one: I think the purpose of the chainsword guard is to unstuck the sword when it is stuck inside the opponent's hull, and the drill, if turning really fast and with the ability to protrude like a Ridley Scott's alien mouth, can be devastating. I can see the drill clenching to the other titan's head and delivering a killing blow. The size is off though, it can only attack warmaster sized titans.
I like the chassis, but the weapons choice are kind of pointless. A guard thicker than the teeth, a melee weapon for a siege tank, in a game with no fortifications. Why, is all I can ask.
Oddly I think the shroud on the sword is supposed to be like the guard on a box opener, to catch and direct the thing you are cutting into the blade. For instance it would make it easier for the sword to catch and cut free hanging cables and chains. Combined with the drill which seems designed for the drill to extend when the hand is closed (which makes it only useful for things small enough to enclose in its fist, but it lacks the arm length to actually grab anything that small), and you have a very very weird combo utterly unfit for a titan of this size.
I can't get over the fact how stupid this is...like who in there right mind look at this stupidity and be like...."Yeah this is amazing, great job GW" this company is such as joke and most of the fan base is as well.
The Warmaster in general would be better if it had weapon options instead of locked arm choices. I'd rather be able to take the plasma cannon arm and the chainsword together.
I'm certainly not saying we should look at GW uncritically, I just don't agree with most of your criticisms. That being said somehow I've been watching your videos for three years.
You are right, you are not obligated to like the product or the company, though one might wonder: "If you really hate/dislike it that much, why are you keeping invested?" and honestly, that's what most of your vids are as I can see. Dunking on GW (not judging here if for valid reasons or not).
I have never actually seen a game of Adeptus Titanicus played in real life. I would try it if they just made it into Epic with infantry, vehicles and all.
I think a giant version of the MK IV Ironclad eagle headed battering ram would have been far better than the chainsword. . I guess ingame all the energy that is not used for projectile weaponry would be diverted to almost impenetrable shielding. . Yeah that hook just seems stupid on the chainsword, If they were set on it having one I would rather have had a massive double the thickness chainsword long enough to reach ground targets. .
Ironically its probably amazing against itself, Warlord and Imperators as its the perfect hieght. BUT the Reaver would run rings around it, and it is probably too slow to charge down an Imperator. Now ok, maybe its meant to be used against other races, but all the downsides apply to eldar titans, ork titans are just as big but with better melee and better shooting, tyranids are way to small. Over all GW 0, Macca 1
Warlords struggle to get into melee, so the reasoning to make a pure melee titan that is even larger is just plain dumb. That's before even getting into the practicalities of the weapons. I could imagine a drive titan being pressed into service to take down other titans, but that would be it, siege first, anti-titan second, with weapons to suit
I just bought the plasma Warmaster and I’ll hack together a couple of melee weapons to magnetize on. I still can’t understand why this model was made (other than rule of cool) because melee Warlords are pretty meh let alone this skyscraper. A dedicated melee Reaver has a place in lists for some missions but I can’t see using this thing. /shrug
lol...so many idiots in the comments have probably never even played a game of AT. Easy getting a titan into melee with the use of certain legios and stratagems, especially in city fighting tables. I will admit the sword is not very good in design. Also giving it two melee weapons is not optimal, one is more than enough tbh the weapons should have just been an upgrade kit which is probably what people will use it for, buy one of each and magnetize. Not sure about the carapace weapons but I thought they were corridor not arc and so cant shoot anything not directly in front of the titan.
Think of the fist more like a claw. The fingers lock on or wrap around the target and there pressure increases drill damage. The guard I instantly saw it hooking onto the barrel of a gun or an arm or leg connection locking it in place while the chainblade eats through it. The look is meh nothing special. Full melee titan seems stupid.
The sword looks dumb as hell and super impractical the fist may be useful if against something big and slow or stationary but the problem I've always had is titan melee weapons They make no sense unless you fight other titans your scale but after that useless a reaver won't bend down to smack a tank with it's fist and it's guns are strong enough to destroy any building or other titan
Pure melee titan this size is dumb, having a melee option isn't but the chainsword is too small otherwise it would be perfect for tearing apart a similarly sized titan or bigger or anything dumb enough to get close. It should have been almost as long as the titan itself alongside a new ranged weapon
"Looks cool, but it's impractical" Thank you for separating that you dislike the design, for objective reasons, but you can tell it can look cool, for subjective reasons. I agree that's impractical and that it's a dumb design. It would be hypocritical of my part to not recognize, that this is the same kind of argument that i use against old designs (about devolving technology, that's still super advanced, but it's impractical), yet i think this one looks cool and wouldn't complain about it being part of 30k-40k universe.
WHY Are YoU sO MEAN to GW …… lol Anyway agree the chainsword is stupid I would have a power maul or flail instead and the power drill hand is stupid why not do either a scaled assault drill or power fist ala dreadnaught with a Uber flamer/melta inside
I disagree completely with melee ARM weapons on a titan. Ridiculous. WHY punch DOWN???? They need launchers behind heavy retractable cannon-ball style projectiles or giant swinging wrecking balls swung down at GROUND level!!!! Or maybe swinging up to crotch/midriff level, but shoulder/arm weaponry is pretty silly before you even begin
I think it's unfair to say you only say bad things about GW producys, more accurate would be you focus on them. It's easy to say something was good and articulate it, but there is more substance in giving reason to why something is bad. I'd say from what I've seen you lime about 1/3-1/4 of what GW comes out with, it's just you spend 3 seconds saying you like something and 30 minutes on what you don't like. As for the titan, I don't like the physical weapon design, but i could get behind the concept. Titans are long range gunnery platforms, meant to duel things out from a distance or pulverize fortifications, titans don't do a whole lot of melee fighting and they're not supposed to ideally. But if there is lore specific reasons for some weapons to exist, sure I van get behind something whacky and seemingly useless. Like the d day specific weapon and equipment designs whose nearly sole purpose was to be used for d day, such as the Churchill with the crazy big, outside loaded mortars meant to smash concrete bunkers, the dd tanks,ladder launchers etc. If they can say in the lore something Ike "these things exist because a mountain needed to be cracked open under enemy fire and it was decided the best way of doing that was using specialist titans using chains words and drills to create deep breaches in the rock without destroying everything inside" or if it's essentially used for titan zone mortalis, okay, I can dig it, but they dont
Macca, mate, stop giving a shit what your detractors say, who gives a shit if they say you are too negative, those of us who actually watch the show know its bollocks.
So the chainsword... monumentally bad design. the only logic I can see for the sword "hook" is to hook and snag the target so the chainblades can just rend. But... god. Still bad design.
It looks as ridiculous as having spaceships punch each other. So I assume all Ork ships will soon have arms to punch other ships... actually... now that I think about it, Ork ships having arms would make way more sense then this ridiculous piece of garbage CQC Warmaster.
Poorly thought out review, and your "physics" is much less sound than you think. I recommend you (and many commenters) actually read the rules before saying stupid things like "pure melee Titan. It easily outshoots a brawler Warlord and adds the melee on top.
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My biggest problem with this titan is that it screams Chaos
Three point in particular - It's faceplate is ripped directly from a Chaos cultist mask, the chainsword protector that screams corn, and it's iconoclast name that it shares with a chaos cruiser
It's faceplate is just a stylized knight helm.
The slowest chassis should not be in a close combat role. Rule of cool notwithstanding..
I mean heavy infantry irl were the slowest role in ancient/medieval armies and they were almost exclusively close combat.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Yeah, but THOSE armies had little to no ranged weaponry (at most bows and arrows), whereas Titan Legions during the Horus Heresy have access to all sorts of WMDs for their basic armament that could overwhelm an Iconoclast's void shields well before it reached its enemies.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Historically heavy infantry was rarely used alone other than to defend a position. In most cases it was used together with mobile troops (light infantry/cavalry) or ranged troops (archers/siege weapons).
@@matthiuskoenig3378 during the ancient and high medieval period armour technology outdid weapon technology. Armoured footknights in 13th/14th century are almost invunerable to standard arrows and bolts if they don´t get hit in the visor or one of the weakpoints at the joints. In 40k, titans regularly get oneshot.
personally i think this model is stupid for one reason and one reason alone. it is a siege titan. it is for destroying fortifications in-lore. where are the fortifications in-game? you cant give me something that doesnt have a target and expect me to like it.
Is there a lore explanation why you need a melee titan to crack fortifications instead of bombing them?
@@bonchachan6061 Shield projector tech was... But this thing is just a placeholder or for tier3 "trues fans" .... Does it worth for kitbash bits? Meh... where is thé charming madness of old Titanicus
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Tbf, I think the point of the drill, is that the fingers grip, and then the drill telescopes
Either way, the things ridiculous
Could be, but it would be nice for the designers to say as much, rather than leave it up to us to guess
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The part covering the sword looks like the 40k equivalent of a child-lock
Most "big drills" in the 40K setting are not scaled up hand drills though, there based on stuff used mining, tunneling or demolition. I think its easy to imagine this pushed against a building or another titan inflicting a lot of damage with such a large drill surface, with the claw as well the building is likely to collapse beyond just the drill itself and allow it to push forward.
As far as the chainsword goes I don't think thats intended to be a "guard", its intended to be something which is hooked into an enemy/building to hold it in place as it cuts into it. So you have two parts to the weapon, the front bit used in a more conventional way slashing an enemy and the underside with the "guard" used for more prolonged cutting.
Lore wise I think you could argue its really intended to be a siege titan moreso than it is a melee titan.
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Excellent video! It's great when you're salty with your GW 'Scrubdowns' Would love to see a review of some of Warlord Games Ranges, see what you think of their sci-fi miniatures.
A wrecking ball on a massive titan would be amazing! It fits better than the chainsword imo but still over the top with the lethality of something so massive in 40k
Wasn't it an add on for the Titans in the original Adeptus Titanicus!?
I made a wrecking ball for a Warlord by gluing a plastic ball to a jewelry chain that’s glued to the crane terrain kit. The Warlord’s fist is holding the crane like a flail :D
That chainsword is the dumbest design I have ever seen, a perfect example of modern Gw weapon design.
Good video, you made your point well. You totally don’t have to like the Titan, and I understand why you don’t. I do though and I’d like to take a second to explain why. The first is simple, I really like the hulking melee unit, and I think this pulls it off a lot better than the warlord. The warlord claw arm is just so short that it’s hard to imagine it being able to actually use in in combat. The arm for the drill here is significantly longer, and so it looks a lot more like it was made for the use. And for the drill, the way I saw it is that the warmaster is supposed to punch in, have the finger things grip into whatever it’s hitting, and either pull out heavy armour plates or stick in and hold what it’s hitting in place. The drill then pushes out from the hand and gets to work. This way the guard protects the drill, which needs to stay functional in order for the weapon to be at all practical, and the claw things also serve a purpose. The question of what the heck is this thing hitting still remains, but for me that just adds charm to it. Titanicus is already a ridiculous setting, and I’m willing to let that slide out of sheer enjoyment of its design. As for the chainsword, I’m pretty sure the guard piece doesn’t actually cover the teeth anywhere other than where the spike piece is, so that wouldn’t impede function too much. And I guess I took the spike piece to be a claw to pull other titans down or back so that you can get to work. I will admit, that part of it is still pretty stupid, but I still think it looks cool so again, I’m willing to overlook it. And the fact that most titans can put run the thing is made up for by two things in my opinion. The first is the reactor upgrade that makes it significantly faster, and the second is the fact that titans can’t really back up, meaning this thing has the durability to just run at most titans and as he’s going to reach them and tear them apart before they can do the same to him. And again, I just think it looks cool, and that’s what really matters to me. I’m afraid I’m a sucker for the rule of cool.
I did think your idea for a seige warmaster was incredibly dope though, and I’d definitely buy that.
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I was hoping we would get a massive Arc/Tesla weapon that has a chain lightning like attack that can jump from titan to titan
This one suggestion could well be a good deal smarter than anything GW could have come up with for this thing.
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper I just thought it would be cool to get a weapon that can arc from enemy to enemy maybe as a shield breaker
@@connorriggs1518 It IS a pretty good idea!
I really like the idea of the drill working like the apothecary’s gauntlet where the spike shoots out into the skull and then retracts. It’d be super neat if the outer claws grabbed and then the spike just shot out and decimated it
I personally think that the sword works for this guy when you imagine the thing swinging the blade into a wall then using the pick to tear the wall apart
Titans are neat and all but honestly, just think about how much work went into this one model that could've potentially made 20 other kits for either 30K or 40K, or both.
I was thinking about getting one, but after watching this, Ima get two.
Can't wait to make a double imploder and a double chainsword Heavy titan.
From the wording of the article that doesn't seem possible? It sounds as if the sword is the only limb option for one arm and only the claw can be swapped over for the grav imploder. Which is annoying seening as literally no other titan has such a restriction.
It's literally a knight but dumber
Ah, I thought the drill on the left hand was some kinda plasma launcher thingy. Didn't quite get the jokes about it not being able to reach stuff before. I thought Titans were supposed to be really large weapon platforms. Why make a dedicated melee one that is also the largest and slowest around? Gonna get shot to pieces and kited to oblivion.
The claw thing looks like it could be a reimagining of the Corvus Assault Pod weapon from old Titanicus. Punch it into an enemy fortress/titan and deploy a company of troops into the enemy's heart. Like a Boarding Torpedo mixed with a titan's fist
Thanks for pointing all this out there all the same issues I have with it it should have different weapon option and be a gun platform
Best I can do with this is cannibalize it for bits. That could be nice terminator conversion if size was right
Be a nice Mechanicum or Mechanicus conversion imo.
Really missed a trick not reintroducing the corvus assault pod here. They are in the new mortis novel, be a more viable weapon seeing 50 assault marines launch out of it to plant charges on an enemy time.
Seen some nice third party heads and conversions.
Yeah bling does some amazing stuff.
If it was an absolute necessity it was designed ‘just’ for close combat. I’d made the carapace special location a EMP weapon to disable targets so it could actually catch.
I always thought the chainsword wasn't a real "sword" but was more like a jigsaw tool, using the guard to guide the blade and cut open or weaken any fortification. Obviously, they don't tell us, but it seems quite possible that this might be the case with this unit.
Having been a long time soldier and then in the American Military industrial complex world I have to say I can understand how this titan was green lit during the golden age of technology.
There's a difference between an impractical design and something designed to be impractical. The latter hits way harder against the suspension of disbelief. It's a serious problem when a design element is so clearly a conscious addition - a deviation from the obvious, not an oversight - and yet clearly inferior to that same obvious "default". Frustratingly, this seems to be increasingly common in GW design.
From the drills description, I thought it was one of those boarding drills used to breech bunkers and forts.
I understand your criticism. As long as you don't have to take just the CC weapons. being able to take 1 plasma destructor with the drill i think it would be awesome.
Looks like the chainsaw guard is intended to book used as a hook for leverage so you can hold onto the enemy titan part as you chop through it with the teeth. Not impractical imo
But the guard is so much wider than the teeth, once the blade cuts down deep enough that the guard bottoms out, the teeth, no matter how powerful will be useless. That distance is exactly the depth of the teeth. So anything thicker than that is safe from harm.
@@TheOuterCircle No, you just pull on the hook, push back with the blade. If you don't have the hook you rely on the enemy driving into to you (or luckily being trapped by something else) to keep cutting. Which is why chainswords are dumb weapons in the first place and why the satisfying scenes of one's being used from games or whatever rely on the top surface of the blade.
A chainsword has three useful cutting points, the area on the lower edge where the user can use its weight to bear down (closest to the hilt), the top edge where you use the targets weight to bear down, and the tip where the user can push it's weight forward and/or use the resistance/momentum of the target. The hook where it is basically adds a second useful cutting space on the lower blade which will catch things escaping the other cutting space. It can also conceivably work as a barb but unless it's fighting some xenos mega beast of epic proportions that is probably not useful. Most usefully of all though is the ability to hook enemy titans and pull them over or in to the fist, but the rest of the sword is superfluous for that.
A chainsword is trying to use two opposite concepts at once which is kind of problematic. A Chainsaw uses weight to push the target against against the chain. A sword uses momentum to impart energy to the blade. You can't do both at once. Against flesh you can just decide the chain is very sharp so it acts like a sword most of the time but the user can bear down on it like a saw if needed. Against massive machines however you are never going to use it like a sword.
I guess that hook is actually retractable and can be pushed out, would improve its usability against targets a lot
@@DoddyIshamel uh, no. A chainsaw works because the teeth are wider than the guide bar, (that bit the blade runs around) where in this case, the guide bar is surrounded by the guard which means that the teeth cannot dig in because the guard will eventually butt up to whatever you strike.
@@TheOuterCircle Why? What is it going to hit?
Never mind, I see what you mean with the guard, I have only been talking about the hook. Every chainfist in the 40k universe has been that way though.
Yeah, the Titan is Stupid. But i like it shoulder Gatlings.
I had a similar reaction to the dogmata for sisters.
I really do not like the model, the pose is bad, the finger's nasty along with other complaints.
But the corporate simps/shills bow down to the almighty corp in its infinite wisdom.
I will kitbash one from other kits, maybe get some Anvil industry parts and a second hand repentia superior or cannoness off eBay. Maybe even both.
But I ain't touching the dogmata model itself
Who designed those weapons and how did they see them working? Let alone what it would be useful on ... The range it would have to be to the target is mental compared to its size. I don't see the point of close combat weapons one you get to the size of a warlord class one. Shells and plasma can destroy fortifications from much safer distances ...
imagine if they had added a voidship engine grade jump pack to it, makes no sense but hey, its big, its silly, and iomagine the sight of a skyscraper sized titan jumping into the air to reach anotehr titan and causing earthquakes as it lands
id say that this titan will never..........pierce the heavens
I wish i hadn't see your ppst. On it i cant unsee the faults now
I agree that there should be a point to the wargear. Like you mentioned, what exactly is this thing going to hit with the drill or chainsword, that is not the same size as itsself?
It fits like 1 maybe to legios fluff wise and the only one that comes to mind is Legio Krytos
Can you tell they're out of ideas?
The fact we haven't gotten a Imperator titan is nuts...wtf is this thing.
They ran out of ideas several editions ago. If there was a "plus" to all this, the plebbit crowd will go wild for this.
@@emile1365 Bingo basically all there games now too.
Indeed. By now they're just throwing mud at the wall, hoping something will stick.
I think this could have been done better if instead of the drill and chainsword the other arm was a similarly designed lightning claw, or even though it would be kinda weird some sort of short range breaching melta/laser
Didn't the Warmaster titans in the Siege of terra books have massive cables attached to their backs going back to support units behind them on the ground keeping them powered?
A big blunt object would've been a more effective weapon than that chainsword
The idea of huge and slow robots made for melee is already silly, such weapon mobile platform should shot kilometers away from target and nothing should be able to come close.
However if I decide to accept melee titans, I can make sense of this one: I think the purpose of the chainsword guard is to unstuck the sword when it is stuck inside the opponent's hull, and the drill, if turning really fast and with the ability to protrude like a Ridley Scott's alien mouth, can be devastating. I can see the drill clenching to the other titan's head and delivering a killing blow.
The size is off though, it can only attack warmaster sized titans.
I like the chassis, but the weapons choice are kind of pointless. A guard thicker than the teeth, a melee weapon for a siege tank, in a game with no fortifications. Why, is all I can ask.
Oddly I think the shroud on the sword is supposed to be like the guard on a box opener, to catch and direct the thing you are cutting into the blade. For instance it would make it easier for the sword to catch and cut free hanging cables and chains.
Combined with the drill which seems designed for the drill to extend when the hand is closed (which makes it only useful for things small enough to enclose in its fist, but it lacks the arm length to actually grab anything that small), and you have a very very weird combo utterly unfit for a titan of this size.
I can't get over the fact how stupid this is...like who in there right mind look at this stupidity and be like...."Yeah this is amazing, great job GW" this company is such as joke and most of the fan base is as well.
It's cool as fuck. That's enough for me. :)
The Warmaster in general would be better if it had weapon options instead of locked arm choices. I'd rather be able to take the plasma cannon arm and the chainsword together.
the model looks alright but i passed on it because i don't like titan melee in that game, glad i magnetized all my titans.
My AXM-2N Axman is a more realistic Melee mech then this, and the Axman has Jump jets.
i would even argue, that even the original CGR-1A1 Charger was a more intelligent/practical CQC/melee assault mech design then ... this
I'm certainly not saying we should look at GW uncritically, I just don't agree with most of your criticisms.
That being said somehow I've been watching your videos for three years.
Titandeath already mention a siege Warlord titan variant that been up-armoured and armed with a wrecking ball. This just seems a waste of a titan.
You are right, you are not obligated to like the product or the company, though one might wonder: "If you really hate/dislike it that much, why are you keeping invested?" and honestly, that's what most of your vids are as I can see. Dunking on GW (not judging here if for valid reasons or not).
Oh I love the hobby, that’s the problem. If you watch the last upload on some 30k stuff you’ll understand exactly what I mean.
I have never actually seen a game of Adeptus Titanicus played in real life. I would try it if they just made it into Epic with infantry, vehicles and all.
Ive seen Titanicus played. The armigers for that are basically marine sized. So its basically giant warmarchines on a small scale.
I think a giant version of the MK IV Ironclad eagle headed battering ram would have been far better than the chainsword. . I guess ingame all the energy that is not used for projectile weaponry would be diverted to almost impenetrable shielding. . Yeah that hook just seems stupid on the chainsword, If they were set on it having one I would rather have had a massive double the thickness chainsword long enough to reach ground targets. .
Ironically its probably amazing against itself, Warlord and Imperators as its the perfect hieght.
BUT the Reaver would run rings around it, and it is probably too slow to charge down an Imperator.
Now ok, maybe its meant to be used against other races, but all the downsides apply to eldar titans, ork titans are just as big but with better melee and better shooting, tyranids are way to small.
Over all GW 0, Macca 1
Warlords struggle to get into melee, so the reasoning to make a pure melee titan that is even larger is just plain dumb. That's before even getting into the practicalities of the weapons. I could imagine a drive titan being pressed into service to take down other titans, but that would be it, siege first, anti-titan second, with weapons to suit
I just bought the plasma Warmaster and I’ll hack together a couple of melee weapons to magnetize on. I still can’t understand why this model was made (other than rule of cool) because melee Warlords are pretty meh let alone this skyscraper. A dedicated melee Reaver has a place in lists for some missions but I can’t see using this thing. /shrug
Maybe he is meant to go against and destroy future Imperators :)?
lol...so many idiots in the comments have probably never even played a game of AT. Easy getting a titan into melee with the use of certain legios and stratagems, especially in city fighting tables.
I will admit the sword is not very good in design. Also giving it two melee weapons is not optimal, one is more than enough tbh the weapons should have just been an upgrade kit which is probably what people will use it for, buy one of each and magnetize. Not sure about the carapace weapons but I thought they were corridor not arc and so cant shoot anything not directly in front of the titan.
Melee above a Reaver seems a bit foolish IMO.
i like the design of the body, but i agree the weapons are pretty pointless
Instead of the stupid chainsaw just imagine if you attached a "ursus claw" xD
Good body to make a dreadnought or a demon prince
Why do Titans even need close combat weapons
Think of the fist more like a claw. The fingers lock on or wrap around the target and there pressure increases drill damage. The guard I instantly saw it hooking onto the barrel of a gun or an arm or leg connection locking it in place while the chainblade eats through it. The look is meh nothing special. Full melee titan seems stupid.
Looks like GW is putting excuses for weapons to not work on the models themselves to match their bad rules
The sword looks dumb as hell and super impractical the fist may be useful if against something big and slow or stationary but the problem I've always had is titan melee weapons
They make no sense unless you fight other titans your scale but after that useless a reaver won't bend down to smack a tank with it's fist and it's guns are strong enough to destroy any building or other titan
I liked the warbringer. It made sense. This? What the fuck is this?
That goofy chainsword spoils the whole miniature.
I would love to hear you tear apart tau battlesuits lol
Is it not just a model for the latest book?
any other hype is just sales fluff.
Pure melee titan this size is dumb, having a melee option isn't but the chainsword is too small otherwise it would be perfect for tearing apart a similarly sized titan or bigger or anything dumb enough to get close. It should have been almost as long as the titan itself alongside a new ranged weapon
i agree trhey can easly done something more practical by 40k standards than this
"Looks cool, but it's impractical" Thank you for separating that you dislike the design, for objective reasons, but you can tell it can look cool, for subjective reasons. I agree that's impractical and that it's a dumb design.
It would be hypocritical of my part to not recognize, that this is the same kind of argument that i use against old designs (about devolving technology, that's still super advanced, but it's impractical), yet i think this one looks cool and wouldn't complain about it being part of 30k-40k universe.
WHY Are YoU sO MEAN to GW …… lol
Anyway agree the chainsword is stupid I would have a power maul or flail instead and the power drill hand is stupid why not do either a scaled assault drill or power fist ala dreadnaught with a Uber flamer/melta inside
I disagree completely with melee ARM weapons on a titan. Ridiculous. WHY punch DOWN???? They need launchers behind heavy retractable cannon-ball style projectiles or giant swinging wrecking balls swung down at GROUND level!!!! Or maybe swinging up to crotch/midriff level, but shoulder/arm weaponry is pretty silly before you even begin
another new unit that forgets all the existing lore
its hard to admit but youre right, it is ridiculous. Now i dont want to buy it lol
A chainsword with its own condom. For protection only. 🤣🤣🤣
I think it's unfair to say you only say bad things about GW producys, more accurate would be you focus on them. It's easy to say something was good and articulate it, but there is more substance in giving reason to why something is bad. I'd say from what I've seen you lime about 1/3-1/4 of what GW comes out with, it's just you spend 3 seconds saying you like something and 30 minutes on what you don't like.
As for the titan, I don't like the physical weapon design, but i could get behind the concept. Titans are long range gunnery platforms, meant to duel things out from a distance or pulverize fortifications, titans don't do a whole lot of melee fighting and they're not supposed to ideally. But if there is lore specific reasons for some weapons to exist, sure I van get behind something whacky and seemingly useless. Like the d day specific weapon and equipment designs whose nearly sole purpose was to be used for d day, such as the Churchill with the crazy big, outside loaded mortars meant to smash concrete bunkers, the dd tanks,ladder launchers etc. If they can say in the lore something
Ike "these things exist because a mountain needed to be cracked open under enemy fire and it was decided the best way of doing that was using specialist titans using chains words and drills to create deep breaches in the rock without destroying everything inside" or if it's essentially used for titan zone mortalis, okay, I can dig it, but they dont
this is very british of GW .
useless military vehicle which is a waste of resources because poole technical design " covenanter !!!! "
The scale and the design of the titan don't make any logical sense. Even before I know the lore I find it strange that it was developed this way.
Macca, mate, stop giving a shit what your detractors say, who gives a shit if they say you are too negative, those of us who actually watch the show know its bollocks.
yeah it's trash. but on that not; maybe it could be used to clear already destroyed titans from the battlefield.
one eldar Bright Stallion be able Kiting Iconoclast to death easy
by the way wea where are xenos Titans ?
So the chainsword... monumentally bad design.
the only logic I can see for the sword "hook" is to hook and snag the target so the chainblades can just rend.
But... god. Still bad design.
It looks as ridiculous as having spaceships punch each other. So I assume all Ork ships will soon have arms to punch other ships... actually... now that I think about it, Ork ships having arms would make way more sense then this ridiculous piece of garbage CQC Warmaster.
15 minutes of whinging
Poorly thought out review, and your "physics" is much less sound than you think. I recommend you (and many commenters) actually read the rules before saying stupid things like "pure melee Titan. It easily outshoots a brawler Warlord and adds the melee on top.
What a waste of time video. It was difficult to tell whether you even played AT or just didn't like the model.
It's such a shit model. It's look horrible. This abomination is just the worst one of all the versions so far.