That is crazy to me too. I build WWII military models, and currently the largest and most expensive I can think of is a 1/32 B-17, for about $350. The titan is cool as hell, but not for 2k, for me at least.
for me best big boy forgeworld model is the now OOP plague hulk. this thing inspired me to collect a whole nurgle army. I still have one unpainted because i'm too scared to approach it... one day....
I love the Titan Warlord, I just don't get the justification for the price. It is ridiculous. If you see how some parts are bended or damaged ... :/ then I'm just lost for words.
@@WH40KHero yeah I get that, but at that price tag it should be perfect. I also collect prime 1 statues and those come put together and painted and so far always arrived in mint condition. So I don't get how they can justify delivering something so bend and crooked. While it was literally their only job to deliver good fitting pieces.
@@Valtier_ You have a point. Yet at the same time the material from which the model is made has its limits and quirks. Which is to say that i wouldnt put all the blame on Forge World itself.
Short Answer: They all suck. They all cost way too damn much. If they came down on the price by about 50% on everything and kept it there, then that would make them not suck as much as they do now.
For all you new players, forge world's heyday was when 40k apocalypse first came out. So many custom tank variations, so many different things for individual armies. The original line of venerable dreadnoughts were amazing for all chaos and space marine chapters. Is was definitely the best time for getting forge world items
I just wish the took more effort, they cost more as they're supposed to be premium, but have worse flashing, and air bubbles etc than cheap knock offs. It's what puts me off buying from them.
What's funny is that there are literal dozens of companies much smaller than GW with nowhere near their resources that make resin models with none of these QC issues, yet GW somehow expects us to believe it can't be helped because "it's resin". Yeah, right. That's why my Creature Caster models all have bubbles and warping, oh wait, they don't.
Bro I'm a single guy living in a cheap ass apartment making higher quality resin prints with my bargain deal resin printer and an old laptop my cousin gave me then Forgeworld makes.
I'd put the Tau Manta in to be tied with the Warlord. Warlord suffers from Action Economy: you will only play it in Apoc. Your opponent will have lots of firepower. You will not be able to put out enough firepower to last. The Manta carries a whole ass army. And is an army into itself. But it's so damn expensive
Gotta admit, flyers are a tad clunky to play with, and the X shaped flight stands do suck (which is why i've bought 12" clear acrylic rods to use instead), but the marauder is a cool looking model, and would be a centre piece unit for say an airborne assault style list (Think tons of valkyries and infantry jumping out). I'd have swapped it for the tau manta. It essentially suffers from the same problems, except that its so goddamn big that it requires multiple flight stands if you want it hovering off the ground, AND its super expensive. But hey, most of this list i agree with.
Jesus yeah I'm not even sure HOW you'd play with the Tau Manta, it's like 3-4 times the size of the Marauder, it literally takes up from 1/4 to 1/2 of a table. If you wanted it hovering you'd definitely have to kitbash a solid metal pipe using flying stand which cradles the Manta, I just don't think there's plastic strong enough to hold it up with any consistency.
You know, can't really argue with either lists, good to see the nids in there. My god though, they still sell that necron pylon? For years that was the only necron item Forge world sold. The nids had it a lot easier (even if GW did take a few of the designs for the main nid range)
Hard disagree on the Astraeus. It's the centrepiece to my Iron Hands army and it not only looks imposing, but is actually playable on the table and always turns heads. Yet again... you do play Black Templars
I definitely agree, I loved it so much I just ordered one for my Blood Angels army and can't wait. I don't get what people have against it. It feels more 40k than a repulsor...?
@@samcoski4590 It feels more 40k than a Repulsor because it needs so many grav-plates to stay afloat. It feels hilariously inefficient for what is essentially a floating gun turret and it's glorious.
The next Video should be a Tierlist of the FW Chaos deamons. I think it will BE a Close Run for the top :D Most of Them Look really really nice! ... But they also have... Well black sheeps Among Them
I feel like, for a Khornate daemon engine, it doesn't look Khornesque enough. In fact, I think it looks more like it fits with the old Dark Eldar aesthetic, especially the ridges on its legs that look like the sculptor kit-bashed some splinter cannons. Segmented armor: looks like Drukhari; armor trim on those segments: looks a little bit chaos; the result: doesn't look like it would fit either army. I think the model has an identity crisis. But that's 40k Chaos for you. Almost got a whole new aesthetic in previous edition's box with the dark angels... and now you only see that look on a handful of dudes. Still no World Eaters or Emperor's Children books in sight anytime soon... I'm mad and I don't even play Chaos.
@@alecmiller5296 IKR? With the popularity (in the past) of both Nurgle and Khorne (and them both getting tomes in AoS while the other two waited for a while), I thought for sure there would have been a Wold Eaters book by now. The fact that loyalists are moving towards Primaris means that so many options have opened up for CSM to not be at all like them by basing their units/wargear off older astartes stuff. Some of the old gripes against CSM was that they were just spikey space marines with occasional daemons. Closest thing WE ever got was that "Khorne Daemonkin" book. It would be more than fair for WE and EC to get their own books to stand beside DG and TS for the pantheon... the undivided legions, renegades, and of course Black Legion can all easily be done in 1 CSM book and/or one supplement, but instead Chaos players get the paywall Be'lakor treatment. I was going to say that the only players that have been shafted more than particular sub-sects of Chaos are Orks and Eldar, but Orks are about to get their shiny newness. Oh crap, Tau have it bad too (but not as bad as Craftworlders). I bet Chaos will get their W2 marines before a new Tau book.
BEST AND WORST video idea: Top 5 easiest and hardest to paint models. This can be due to complexity, level of detail, types of colours needed, etc. E.g. Nurgle stuff is usually pretty easy to paint while harlequins are notoriously tricky. What do you think?
The astreus tank looks like a tank I would find on the 3D market while I'm browsing for proxies to print and I end up passing it up for the exact reasons you just mentioned lol and that would only cost me 20 bucks I couldn't imagine spending whatever Forgeworld is asking for something that out of place.
I soooooo agree with you on the tank. (And the planes) All those Grav Tanks look out of place to me. Just improve the look of the tracked tanks a bit, lengthen them a little, lower them a bit maybe. But those grav plate things just look meh to me. I fondly recall the Land Speeder, they were cool, they were Attack Helicopters that flew over the Leman Russ Tanks and RHinos, but those Grav Tank things look like "Oh let's just have the Landspeeds with ARmor and fly low." It's uninspired. Give me some 6x6 APC's. Now Land Speeders that are too heavy to fly high because they pretend to be Tanks.
Took me about 4 months of back and forth with Forgeworld to get all the bits for my warhound, they were good about it but they had a real quality problem.
Took me 1 year and a half for my Warlord, Forgeworld really have quality issues when it comes to big models (but that doesn’t apply to smaller models like Contemptor Dreadnought which is really weird)
I really like the Ordinatus Ulator. I wish I could put that into my Adeptus Mechanicus army but the price, the size and the lack of 40k rules really torpedo my chances of owning one.
A GW model that I will say is a never buy is the emperors champion when I got it it wasn’t up to par of the rest of GW model sprews and broke basically immediately and it was some weird resting plastic combo that made a lot of trimming and preping
Its not like a big boy model but I dig the forge world characters. Like the necromunda dudes and the Horus Heresy primarchs. They just look fun to paint
I always saw the Big models as just extra, something that sits in storage or in a display case except for that one big game of Apoc you play once a year. I would disagree with the Warlord Titan, since the 2k price tag is part of the experience, but the Reaver titan is similarly expensive but it's just so butt ugly. I get that they're trying to stay true to the original Adeptus Titanicus Designs, but it doesn't did it for me. I just looks so stumpy, it can't look around comfortably etc.. Overall, FW does have some normal scale stuff that's pretty good and a bit more reasonably priced. One thing that shocked me when I got back in was the fact that the difference between GW and FW lines has shrunk. GW kits have gotten more expensive, but they've also gotten bigger and more detailed. GW now makes all the Baneblade variants and even Knights, whereas FW has moved in the direction of producing smaller models you could more easily use in a normal game of 40k and upgrade kits, even having several armies of its own playable in 40k. Hell, FW even makes its own versions of kits GW sells, the Khorne Lord of Skulls looks way better with the FW legs and is somehow cheaper than the GW version. The FW Riptide variants like the Yvahra and Rvarna look way better than the GW Riptide as well. At this point though, I feel like all the FW stuff should be absorbed into mainline 40k, that would make the rules easier to deal with and the difference between players reduced.
Acknowledging that this is your opinion and you're totally welcome to it, I don't really follow how you can consider the thunderhawk to be close to the warhound in terms of best FW big models, but then criticise the Marauder for being a large flyer. I do agree though that the regular game size can make flyers a bit tricky to use. That said, on larger boards I don't think it's that big a deal.
It was a tough decision between the thunderhawk and warhound but for me, I think I would have more fun with the warhound. the thunderhawk does look much better.
"It still holds up" -said no heirophant owner ever. Famous for being impossible on those ridiculous little stick legs, and can you imagine how far they'd sink into the ground on a muddy battlefield?
That and it's probably one of the least Tyranid-y models that exist; no hooves in the back!? Pretty much every Tyranid model is a hooved, multi-limbed, reptilian-bodied monster... definitely not bugs (GW design specifies that they are basically alien dinosaurs [Tyran{osaurus}ids {Rex}] and not bugs)... except for some reason the spindly hierophant wonky boi.
@@lazerhosen It's actually a call back to the OLD 2nd edition Tyranids, where they use to be more gribbly bug creatures and less dinosaurs. Look at the original Epic rendition of the Hierophant to see what I mean.
I love my hierophant. The legs were a bitch to stick on and it takes some balancing but the thing looks wicked sick in real life. I’ll admit I didn’t like the design growing up until my gf bought me one.
Something about 40k makes me a troops and kill teams person all the way. I can see the appeal of building and painting something hooge but eh... Can't see myself getting anything bigger than a dreaddy.
Forgeworlds are like 40k knights: painting projects, something where you can use and perfect your techniques. But also as knights these projects require times and effort, something not all people are willing to invest in a toy soldier model. And the cost
Originally Forge World just sort of made stuff from the lore. Jay's take on the Marauder "looking like a regular plane" is silly because just look at Astra Militarum/Imperial Guard tanks... World War 1/2 aesthetic.
Fair list & reasons,gotta sat love my astreaus tanks & I'm fortunate enough to have two warlords the second was half price on ebay & part built.The tyranids definitely need an update
Do agree with your list but I'd add a honorable mention in the Reaver Titan. Assembling it is a nightmare and sadly I didn't learn at 1. Have 3 atm. The Warlord in Australian dollars is $2770+ that being the standard loadout on offer atm. Mine with multi options I want is closer to $3500 which u can buy a cheap run about car for that price. Awesome video though cheers
I really wanted the Dread Saurian model because it looked like it was just ripped straight from Total War Warhammer 2 and it was awesome and gigantic. Not on the website anymore though, such is Forgeworld.
I kinda hope that the Killteam Octarius kit is a good omen... GW is about to discontinue the steel legion minis... So I have hopes that they were probing peoples interest by putting out Deathkorps models in that box to potentially bring them over to GW entirely and put out a whole new array of models in plastic for our beloved gasmask-guys
I see sooooo many awesome, gritty models I'd love to have on forge world. While the large models are the classics and many are, all things considered, probably the most impressive. I did get the Admech Peltast and Hoplite upgrade kits. I was just so sold by the incredibly badass, elite looks and, if I'm honest, the paint jobs probably influenced me. The Peltasts do look great. However, the ostensibly MUCH cooler one, the Hoplites, have some issues with the assembly. To be fair, it was my first use of super glue (a mistake) as, aside from seemingly messing up a few models, it apparently ripped off my fingerprints for 6mos as I was unable to use my phone's fingerprint unlock for that long afterwards. But my inexperience alone isn't at fault...some of the connections between the arms and shields just suck. But my biased personal favorite is also one I own and perhaps a hot take. The colossal squig. It reminds me of one of my dogs, an 18lb female boston terrier (the similarity is in her personality and behavior) and it's actually a hefty, solid and detailed model. Great to paint, probably the first model I fully finished (I consider parade ready finished) and I still think it looks quite good for being so early in my painting growth (not much else from that time does). I'm biased, ofc. I've loved squigs since the warhammer MMO and I was in middle school...over a decade...maybe 15yrs, before I got into the minis. The king of squigs is going to be, at least to me, simply the king.
I love the asterius! At first i thought it was really dumb looking, but Idk, it grew on me. I started really getting into how big and bulky the guns are, and i feel like if one left off the chest plate, and had wires and shit hanging down, it would make it look sufficiently mechanicus. One thing that was pointed out by Sup3rSaiy3n is that the Forge World model is in a really sucky pose. If you google up the Asterius, there are some really gnarly poses people have put it in!
Got 2 mental images due to your narration about 2 of the models on the best list. The first was a image of the eldar mecha skipping around like a flowergirl while singing: "la la la..." The second was the warhound running up and starting to dry humping the vehicle/mechs of the enemy...
GW should let Forgeworld go . They are like hector salamanca from breaking bad . I half dead man wich should finally die . Excluding bits , they are cool
Hierophant is awesome...got to disagree on the Marauder destroyer in terms of looks but I get the flyer argument(board is too small to accommodate them).
@@eneaceribelli8023 ain't that the truth especially with the Titans. They basically can shoot anywhere on the board 1st turn and are limited on movement/cover with a 6x4 table size.
I'd be more prone to buy forgeworld models if they had rules in the main codex. I have no desire to buy an imperial Armor book just to have the rules for a single $300 model.
Haven't watched yet, but I'm going to predict Jay's lists contain a number of headscratchingly contentious or downright obtuse selections solely intended to provoke arguments in the comments.
7:25 Yes! This is exactly what I say to people who insist on putting arms on their stormsurges. At that scale arms are ludicrous physically and it really starts to get into giant toy robot territory which totally breaks the immersion of the model IMO. You don’t need arms if your waist can just rotate 360 degrees and point your guns at the thing you want to absolutely annihilate. Besides, what is a Storsurge going to do with it’s arms in melee range anyway? Just commit to the walking gunboat aesthetic and rock it people!
I find the lack of arms also kind of silly though, if a Titan Walks by and kicks the Stormsurge over, how will it get up? It's just going to be lying on its back helpless! They had to give the Stormsurge a mini jetpack to compensate for this, not one that makes it fly like a Riptide no, but one that keeps it from falling over!
Instead of buying forgeworld I wound up picking up an armiger to scratch the painting itch. A full sized big one is too much for me since I only model and paint, and barely play anymore. If anything the biggest I'd probably go is one of those knights on the 170mm base.
Me before the video starts: I wonder if Jay actually owns any of these Me after Jay talks about non-Khornate Brass Scorpions: I wonder if Jay even knows the lore or rules let alone the models
I know right? Too bad it looks more Drukhari than Khorne anyways. If the armor evoked the good elements of the defiler then it would have been a hit for me.
The thing with 40k is that it's so customizable that it really doesn't matter how you want to paint YOUR models. If Jay wants to paint a Brass Scorpion in Nurgle colors then more power to him, it's paint over plastic at the end of the day.
I definitely feel the Fellblade, the marine baneblade equivalent, feels more space marines than the astraeus but that won't stop me from getting both in due time... already have the fellblade in the painting queue
i do like aircraft being in the game but don't understand why there's so many planes going on. why not more hovering gunships that are comparable to helicopters and such?
Forge world has certainly waned in glory. No question about it. Shame, though it is cool that GW has taken a lot of their product line under their own wing rather than having them go the way of the dodo
if the warhound was 300-400 base with the guns being 50, id consider it. i do not understand how people can justify spending over 700$ on 1 model, when 700$ can EASILY get you into the game with 2-3 armies easily.
seam lines.... go build the gundam you'll be amazed. I'm so laugthy to see alll these videos not talking of the real flaws of the complete GWS abuse on customers. tHEY PIE ON YOU GUYS...
I don’t agree with your reasoning for the Warlord and cost. It’s all about what you can afford and want to spend your money on. I know a guy with 2 Warlords. My most expensive guitar is £3500, look at the cost of a set of golf clubs. What you choose to spend on your hobby is relative. This reasoning sounds more like, I can’t afford it so wah.
In my personal opinion, the big phat primaris tank is what all tracks in 40k should look like. Big, imposing, covered in powerful guns but doesn’t look ridiculous like the repulsor. Even though I open like 10 leman Russ tanks I think they’re too short and boxy as well as rhinos. IMO land raiders are a good “light tank” size, the astraeus or Baneblade is more of a “medium” or “normal” size for the crazy grimdark setting, and we’ve yet to see something truly super-heavy. Especially since the scale of 40K has increased, the current tanks look more like speeders or fast attack sized vehicles to me, but it might have always been the case since it’s sill to think you could fit 10 space marines of any size into a rhino, drop pod, etc.
Looking at this from the perspective of a model railroader, a $2000 "mini" isn't there to fulfill the owner's operations. It's a big ol' phallic symbol to show off how much disposable income they have compared to their friends / opponents. Since 40k is about flinging surplus human lives at a problem, airships and other remote weapons, are detractors from the scheme of things in the typical game play. But they could be fun if you and your friends were to play a two-on-two / three-on-three etc giant battle on an oversized battle field. As for those clear support bases... 🤢 Jumbo ships like the one on your list could be re-based with a 3-point suspension. Use a weighted disk or rock and metal rod or tube painted flat black. You could further disguise the supports with spun poly (the stuff used for Halloween cobwebs, fishtank filters, or stuffing teddy bears), and made to look like smoke, exhaust, or kicked up dust & dirt. Furthermore, hide batteries in a base, run wires up the support, and light up your ships with surface mount LEDs. The poly can also be illuminate to simulate fire or burning exhaust. As the saying goes, if you can't hide it, decorate it!
I've never bought from Forgeworld for most of the reason you gave. 2 grand for a titan is ludicrous. For 2 grand, that's a great holiday, or if we want to stick to the realms of 40k, enough for a beginner to buy 2 very reasonably sized armies, complete with codex's, alongside a rule book to get started, a decent table to play on and all the accessories you'd need to play (i.e. dice and tape measures.) In fact, get the Imperium magazine and you could get every issue which would give you two armies bigger than any army I've ever collected AND, you could go on a very nice holiday. Also I agree with you on flyers. They obscure your view of the battlefield, they take up too much room, and their bases don't allow for much manoeuvrability. For me 40k has always been about boots on ground. I'll take a platoon of guardsmen over a flyer any day. TBH, i think the same for titans and giant models. How do you fit a humongous titan base on a war-torn city board?
This tank looks a lot better blue than shaded gray. At least you see some lines of it. But yeah, it looks like ripped right out of some scifi game, true. I'm not aware of lore for such a tank, but for me it would serve great as some ancient as Emperor himself tank. You see, I always look at 40k as if something is ancient in Imperium, it is top tier cutting edge humie teknology. I don't like this common image of heresy days as more round armor plates. In my imagination days when Emperor was alive are days of best human technologies ever, so my ancient vaults does not look as old forgotten celtic crypts with crates of plasma rifles. They look more like steril white Intel laboratories, within the frames of my 40k common sense obviously;]. That being said, I like how Space Marines evolve. It's just direction of time arrow in this stylistic is wrong for me;) Those grav tanks should be ten thousand years old, current Imperial gear should not be like that, it should be more junky, more clunky. Anyway that's how I envision the whole thing...
Oh no! He dissed my Flyers! I love Flyers. Sending in my Heldrakes feels right. I lose because the rules but I mean, Spiky Machine Dragons, c’mon! You know they’re awesome and Chaos-y.
The thing that bugs me about the Marauder Destroyer is that 40k lore states that these used to be the Imperial Navy's mainstay space bomber. Um, no. Can't be. Look at the wings, the massive intakes for engines. The thing was clearly designed to operate in an atmosphere. I can believe an X-Wing fighter is designed for space warfare more than the MD. This sculpt is too WW2. It's great, but it screams atmospheric craft.
I was gonna save my change until I had enough to buy the warlord Titian figure it would take 2/3 years. Since I wasn’t taking away from anything else it would be ok. Make it a real project led lighting, sound, magnets for a weapons, it would be a real art display piece. Now I’m like meh maybe ,maybe not.
I never liked the new hovertanks for Space Marines. Space Marines live, eat, sleep, and fuck inside of a Rhino on mechanical treads that chugs diesel through a drinky hat.
I actually showed a friend the cost of the warlord titan, his response was “that shit better be made out of gold and come with a butler”
lol
My hot take was: "It better drive you to work at that price"
for only 2000 usd!
That is crazy to me too. I build WWII military models, and currently the largest and most expensive I can think of is a 1/32 B-17, for about $350. The titan is cool as hell, but not for 2k, for me at least.
for me best big boy forgeworld model is the now OOP plague hulk. this thing inspired me to collect a whole nurgle army. I still have one unpainted because i'm too scared to approach it... one day....
I've been wanting to buy that forever but then they stopped making it.
At least the Atreus has semi decent directions, the baneblade SM tanks is two sheet of paper with a black and white mockup and makes me weep
I love the Titan Warlord, I just don't get the justification for the price. It is ridiculous. If you see how some parts are bended or damaged ... :/ then I'm just lost for words.
I love the warlord as well but yeah there is no way in hell the price point is justifiable
You can bend the resin if you let run hot water over it. It may not be perfect, but its better then having a totally useless piece.
@@WH40KHero yeah I get that, but at that price tag it should be perfect. I also collect prime 1 statues and those come put together and painted and so far always arrived in mint condition. So I don't get how they can justify delivering something so bend and crooked. While it was literally their only job to deliver good fitting pieces.
@@Valtier_ You have a point. Yet at the same time the material from which the model is made has its limits and quirks. Which is to say that i wouldnt put all the blame on Forge World itself.
@@WH40KHeroforge world is responsible for it and they are the ones charging so much for it.
Short Answer: They all suck. They all cost way too damn much. If they came down on the price by about 50% on everything and kept it there, then that would make them not suck as much as they do now.
That's called china cast lol
Thanks for the love, mate.
They’re not too expensive, you just can’t afford it.
Get into a cheaper hobby.
@@captainparty
How I'm imagining you atm: "What's this? Another peasant?"
For all you new players, forge world's heyday was when 40k apocalypse first came out. So many custom tank variations, so many different things for individual armies. The original line of venerable dreadnoughts were amazing for all chaos and space marine chapters. Is was definitely the best time for getting forge world items
There's not a whole lot anymore... but there are other companies that print alot of similar variants... modern and dark grim and there cheaper
I just wish the took more effort, they cost more as they're supposed to be premium, but have worse flashing, and air bubbles etc than cheap knock offs. It's what puts me off buying from them.
Recast it then sell the original?
What's funny is that there are literal dozens of companies much smaller than GW with nowhere near their resources that make resin models with none of these QC issues, yet GW somehow expects us to believe it can't be helped because "it's resin". Yeah, right. That's why my Creature Caster models all have bubbles and warping, oh wait, they don't.
Bro I'm a single guy living in a cheap ass apartment making higher quality resin prints with my bargain deal resin printer and an old laptop my cousin gave me then Forgeworld makes.
I was enjoying this video already as ever, but particularly enjoyed that "lithe" definition pop-up.
The astraeus tank looks like a similar shape to the tau hammerhead, it just looks wrong for an imperial tank
I like the look of it, but i can see Why some dont like it.
Yep. Nice design, wrong faction.
I'd put the Tau Manta in to be tied with the Warlord.
Warlord suffers from Action Economy: you will only play it in Apoc. Your opponent will have lots of firepower. You will not be able to put out enough firepower to last.
The Manta carries a whole ass army. And is an army into itself. But it's so damn expensive
The manta isn't meant to be used as a model, it is meant to be used as a whole killteam terrain board
Also, if you run Custodes, Forge World offers far more variety than just Games Workshop.
The reason the astreus tank feels 'not 40k' is 'cause it doesn't have any skulls
That warlord titan is sooo cool. Not $3000 cool, but it is 3d printer cool 😎 Especially with it more or less being a novelty.
I'm the proud owner of a Warhound and a Gargantuan Squiggoth and i love them both 💗
Gotta admit, flyers are a tad clunky to play with, and the X shaped flight stands do suck (which is why i've bought 12" clear acrylic rods to use instead), but the marauder is a cool looking model, and would be a centre piece unit for say an airborne assault style list (Think tons of valkyries and infantry jumping out). I'd have swapped it for the tau manta. It essentially suffers from the same problems, except that its so goddamn big that it requires multiple flight stands if you want it hovering off the ground, AND its super expensive. But hey, most of this list i agree with.
Jesus yeah I'm not even sure HOW you'd play with the Tau Manta, it's like 3-4 times the size of the Marauder, it literally takes up from 1/4 to 1/2 of a table. If you wanted it hovering you'd definitely have to kitbash a solid metal pipe using flying stand which cradles the Manta, I just don't think there's plastic strong enough to hold it up with any consistency.
Agreed. I'm collecting the Aeronautica Imperialis models to make 40K micro!
You know, can't really argue with either lists, good to see the nids in there. My god though, they still sell that necron pylon? For years that was the only necron item Forge world sold. The nids had it a lot easier (even if GW did take a few of the designs for the main nid range)
Yeah, the pylon still exist
Hard disagree on the Astraeus. It's the centrepiece to my Iron Hands army and it not only looks imposing, but is actually playable on the table and always turns heads. Yet again... you do play Black Templars
I definitely agree, I loved it so much I just ordered one for my Blood Angels army and can't wait. I don't get what people have against it. It feels more 40k than a repulsor...?
@@samcoski4590 It feels more 40k than a Repulsor because it needs so many grav-plates to stay afloat. It feels hilariously inefficient for what is essentially a floating gun turret and it's glorious.
The next Video should be a Tierlist of the FW Chaos deamons. I think it will BE a Close Run for the top :D Most of Them Look really really nice! ... But they also have... Well black sheeps Among Them
The brass scorpion looks great painted as rusty iron warriors. I call mine The Iron Scorpion.
I feel like, for a Khornate daemon engine, it doesn't look Khornesque enough. In fact, I think it looks more like it fits with the old Dark Eldar aesthetic, especially the ridges on its legs that look like the sculptor kit-bashed some splinter cannons. Segmented armor: looks like Drukhari; armor trim on those segments: looks a little bit chaos; the result: doesn't look like it would fit either army.
I think the model has an identity crisis. But that's 40k Chaos for you. Almost got a whole new aesthetic in previous edition's box with the dark angels... and now you only see that look on a handful of dudes. Still no World Eaters or Emperor's Children books in sight anytime soon... I'm mad and I don't even play Chaos.
@@lazerhosen I play world eaters and I’ll i have to say is fuck gw
@@alecmiller5296 IKR? With the popularity (in the past) of both Nurgle and Khorne (and them both getting tomes in AoS while the other two waited for a while), I thought for sure there would have been a Wold Eaters book by now.
The fact that loyalists are moving towards Primaris means that so many options have opened up for CSM to not be at all like them by basing their units/wargear off older astartes stuff. Some of the old gripes against CSM was that they were just spikey space marines with occasional daemons.
Closest thing WE ever got was that "Khorne Daemonkin" book. It would be more than fair for WE and EC to get their own books to stand beside DG and TS for the pantheon... the undivided legions, renegades, and of course Black Legion can all easily be done in 1 CSM book and/or one supplement, but instead Chaos players get the paywall Be'lakor treatment.
I was going to say that the only players that have been shafted more than particular sub-sects of Chaos are Orks and Eldar, but Orks are about to get their shiny newness. Oh crap, Tau have it bad too (but not as bad as Craftworlders). I bet Chaos will get their W2 marines before a new Tau book.
BEST AND WORST video idea:
Top 5 easiest and hardest to paint models.
This can be due to complexity, level of detail, types of colours needed, etc.
E.g. Nurgle stuff is usually pretty easy to paint while harlequins are notoriously tricky.
What do you think?
The astreus tank looks like a tank I would find on the 3D market while I'm browsing for proxies to print and I end up passing it up for the exact reasons you just mentioned lol and that would only cost me 20 bucks I couldn't imagine spending whatever Forgeworld is asking for something that out of place.
I soooooo agree with you on the tank. (And the planes) All those Grav Tanks look out of place to me. Just improve the look of the tracked tanks a bit, lengthen them a little, lower them a bit maybe. But those grav plate things just look meh to me. I fondly recall the Land Speeder, they were cool, they were Attack Helicopters that flew over the Leman Russ Tanks and RHinos, but those Grav Tank things look like "Oh let's just have the Landspeeds with ARmor and fly low." It's uninspired. Give me some 6x6 APC's. Now Land Speeders that are too heavy to fly high because they pretend to be Tanks.
Took me about 4 months of back and forth with Forgeworld to get all the bits for my warhound, they were good about it but they had a real quality problem.
Took me 1 year and a half for my Warlord, Forgeworld really have quality issues when it comes to big models (but that doesn’t apply to smaller models like Contemptor Dreadnought which is really weird)
I like the old Chaos War Mammoth they used to make, as well as their line of busts and statues.
And I thought 150$ for mortarion was expensive
I really like the Ordinatus Ulator. I wish I could put that into my Adeptus Mechanicus army but the price, the size and the lack of 40k rules really torpedo my chances of owning one.
forgeworld? that's a funny way of saying wallet destroyer
I was incredibly lucky to get a Seraptek Heavy Construct at half price, shame the Lord of War rules can be a bit janky.
A GW model that I will say is a never buy is the emperors champion when I got it it wasn’t up to par of the rest of GW model sprews and broke basically immediately and it was some weird resting plastic combo that made a lot of trimming and preping
Suprised Tau'nar supremacy armour wasn't on the best list it's so beautiful
That primaris tank looks more like a Tau vehicle than a Space Marine one.
Well it does have a Railgun…
Its not like a big boy model but I dig the forge world characters. Like the necromunda dudes and the Horus Heresy primarchs. They just look fun to paint
I always saw the Big models as just extra, something that sits in storage or in a display case except for that one big game of Apoc you play once a year. I would disagree with the Warlord Titan, since the 2k price tag is part of the experience, but the Reaver titan is similarly expensive but it's just so butt ugly. I get that they're trying to stay true to the original Adeptus Titanicus Designs, but it doesn't did it for me. I just looks so stumpy, it can't look around comfortably etc..
Overall, FW does have some normal scale stuff that's pretty good and a bit more reasonably priced. One thing that shocked me when I got back in was the fact that the difference between GW and FW lines has shrunk. GW kits have gotten more expensive, but they've also gotten bigger and more detailed. GW now makes all the Baneblade variants and even Knights, whereas FW has moved in the direction of producing smaller models you could more easily use in a normal game of 40k and upgrade kits, even having several armies of its own playable in 40k. Hell, FW even makes its own versions of kits GW sells, the Khorne Lord of Skulls looks way better with the FW legs and is somehow cheaper than the GW version. The FW Riptide variants like the Yvahra and Rvarna look way better than the GW Riptide as well. At this point though, I feel like all the FW stuff should be absorbed into mainline 40k, that would make the rules easier to deal with and the difference between players reduced.
Technically on a point per pound ratio the warlord titan is pretty good value
Acknowledging that this is your opinion and you're totally welcome to it, I don't really follow how you can consider the thunderhawk to be close to the warhound in terms of best FW big models, but then criticise the Marauder for being a large flyer. I do agree though that the regular game size can make flyers a bit tricky to use. That said, on larger boards I don't think it's that big a deal.
It was a tough decision between the thunderhawk and warhound but for me, I think I would have more fun with the warhound. the thunderhawk does look much better.
Splashed out on the Necron Seraptek Heavy Construct the other week. Awkward to build but it looks amazing put together.
"It still holds up" -said no heirophant owner ever. Famous for being impossible on those ridiculous little stick legs, and can you imagine how far they'd sink into the ground on a muddy battlefield?
That and it's probably one of the least Tyranid-y models that exist; no hooves in the back!?
Pretty much every Tyranid model is a hooved, multi-limbed, reptilian-bodied monster... definitely not bugs (GW design specifies that they are basically alien dinosaurs [Tyran{osaurus}ids {Rex}] and not bugs)... except for some reason the spindly hierophant wonky boi.
@@lazerhosen It's actually a call back to the OLD 2nd edition Tyranids, where they use to be more gribbly bug creatures and less dinosaurs. Look at the original Epic rendition of the Hierophant to see what I mean.
@@luketfer yes indeed, which means that Forgeworld ignored the design prompt of the Tyranid plastic overhaul in 3rd ed
I love my hierophant. The legs were a bitch to stick on and it takes some balancing but the thing looks wicked sick in real life. I’ll admit I didn’t like the design growing up until my gf bought me one.
Something about 40k makes me a troops and kill teams person all the way.
I can see the appeal of building and painting something hooge but eh...
Can't see myself getting anything bigger than a dreaddy.
Forgeworlds are like 40k knights: painting projects, something where you can use and perfect your techniques.
But also as knights these projects require times and effort, something not all people are willing to invest in a toy soldier model. And the cost
I don't really play tabletop, I love the collecting and painting as well as the lore so flyers are a must for me
Originally Forge World just sort of made stuff from the lore. Jay's take on the Marauder "looking like a regular plane" is silly because just look at Astra Militarum/Imperial Guard tanks... World War 1/2 aesthetic.
I have a greater brass scorpion and i am so proud of it
it's a sweet model!
Great video, even though I love the Astraeus, it will be part of my ultramarines vehicle armory on day
Fair list & reasons,gotta sat love my astreaus tanks & I'm fortunate enough to have two warlords the second was half price on ebay & part built.The tyranids definitely need an update
Hardest working man in the hobby hands down.
Do agree with your list but I'd add a honorable mention in the Reaver Titan. Assembling it is a nightmare and sadly I didn't learn at 1. Have 3 atm. The Warlord in Australian dollars is $2770+ that being the standard loadout on offer atm. Mine with multi options I want is closer to $3500 which u can buy a cheap run about car for that price. Awesome video though cheers
As a person with a valk that I used in a game I can agree with flyers not really having a place in normal 40K game
I really wanted the Dread Saurian model because it looked like it was just ripped straight from Total War Warhammer 2 and it was awesome and gigantic. Not on the website anymore though, such is Forgeworld.
I kinda hope that the Killteam Octarius kit is a good omen... GW is about to discontinue the steel legion minis... So I have hopes that they were probing peoples interest by putting out Deathkorps models in that box to potentially bring them over to GW entirely and put out a whole new array of models in plastic for our beloved gasmask-guys
I see sooooo many awesome, gritty models I'd love to have on forge world. While the large models are the classics and many are, all things considered, probably the most impressive.
I did get the Admech Peltast and Hoplite upgrade kits. I was just so sold by the incredibly badass, elite looks and, if I'm honest, the paint jobs probably influenced me. The Peltasts do look great. However, the ostensibly MUCH cooler one, the Hoplites, have some issues with the assembly. To be fair, it was my first use of super glue (a mistake) as, aside from seemingly messing up a few models, it apparently ripped off my fingerprints for 6mos as I was unable to use my phone's fingerprint unlock for that long afterwards. But my inexperience alone isn't at fault...some of the connections between the arms and shields just suck.
But my biased personal favorite is also one I own and perhaps a hot take. The colossal squig. It reminds me of one of my dogs, an 18lb female boston terrier (the similarity is in her personality and behavior) and it's actually a hefty, solid and detailed model. Great to paint, probably the first model I fully finished (I consider parade ready finished) and I still think it looks quite good for being so early in my painting growth (not much else from that time does). I'm biased, ofc. I've loved squigs since the warhammer MMO and I was in middle school...over a decade...maybe 15yrs, before I got into the minis. The king of squigs is going to be, at least to me, simply the king.
I love the asterius! At first i thought it was really dumb looking, but Idk, it grew on me. I started really getting into how big and bulky the guns are, and i feel like if one left off the chest plate, and had wires and shit hanging down, it would make it look sufficiently mechanicus. One thing that was pointed out by Sup3rSaiy3n is that the Forge World model is in a really sucky pose. If you google up the Asterius, there are some really gnarly poses people have put it in!
Got 2 mental images due to your narration about 2 of the models on the best list. The first was a image of the eldar mecha skipping around like a flowergirl while singing: "la la la..." The second was the warhound running up and starting to dry humping the vehicle/mechs of the enemy...
GW should let Forgeworld go . They are like hector salamanca from breaking bad . I half dead man wich should finally die . Excluding bits , they are cool
Flyers (big ones) really shouldn't be in the game.
Hierophant is awesome...got to disagree on the Marauder destroyer in terms of looks but I get the flyer argument(board is too small to accommodate them).
The more I look at forgeworld the more I think those are apocalypse only models.
That or painting projects
@@eneaceribelli8023 ain't that the truth especially with the Titans. They basically can shoot anywhere on the board 1st turn and are limited on movement/cover with a 6x4 table size.
I'd be more prone to buy forgeworld models if they had rules in the main codex. I have no desire to buy an imperial Armor book just to have the rules for a single $300 model.
*Talking about the warlord titan* I hate that this model exists!
*slowly puts my wallet away* so true! It’s ridiculous!
Did they accidentally mislabel a Tau tank as Primaris, and now they have to roll with it?
Nah, fuck off with the adeptus mechanicus titan being number three. That guy fucks. He looks awesome.
IDK I really dislike the warhound and the dark eldar one .. but I agree with the Hirophant
If you pronounce chassis with the S on the end again, I’m probably going to unsubscribe, LOL
For 2g it should come painted and assembled..... Hard pass on the Warlord.
I like the astrues it looks more like a mobile base than a tank which I think looks better when hovering, than bigger rhino that are flying.
Haven't watched yet, but I'm going to predict Jay's lists contain a number of headscratchingly contentious or downright obtuse selections solely intended to provoke arguments in the comments.
"solely intended to provoke arguments in the comments" I feel like that is a little unfair, maybe I just have REALLY bad taste ;)
I played a game against a guy who brought five bio titan vs my warlord reaver and two bane blades talk about games to remember
The hover tank isn't _gothic_. That's why it's boring.
7:25 Yes! This is exactly what I say to people who insist on putting arms on their stormsurges. At that scale arms are ludicrous physically and it really starts to get into giant toy robot territory which totally breaks the immersion of the model IMO. You don’t need arms if your waist can just rotate 360 degrees and point your guns at the thing you want to absolutely annihilate.
Besides, what is a Storsurge going to do with it’s arms in melee range anyway? Just commit to the walking gunboat aesthetic and rock it people!
Yep I completely agree, the stormsurge looks a tad goofy but when it has arms its just ridiculous looking 🙃
I find the lack of arms also kind of silly though, if a Titan Walks by and kicks the Stormsurge over, how will it get up? It's just going to be lying on its back helpless! They had to give the Stormsurge a mini jetpack to compensate for this, not one that makes it fly like a Riptide no, but one that keeps it from falling over!
Actually Jay, you're wrong, not 100%, but 200% WRONG!
Honestly, I still like the look of the Necron pylons. I think they fit fine. Plus, the Necrons could use the visual variety
Best part is i know guys who buy chinacast and they are superior quality to FW
Instead of buying forgeworld I wound up picking up an armiger to scratch the painting itch. A full sized big one is too much for me since I only model and paint, and barely play anymore. If anything the biggest I'd probably go is one of those knights on the 170mm base.
If I buy a model I want to be able to use it in "normal" games, not apoc games.
My jangles have been jingled! I love my Astraeus! :P
Me before the video starts: I wonder if Jay actually owns any of these
Me after Jay talks about non-Khornate Brass Scorpions: I wonder if Jay even knows the lore or rules let alone the models
I know right? Too bad it looks more Drukhari than Khorne anyways. If the armor evoked the good elements of the defiler then it would have been a hit for me.
The thing with 40k is that it's so customizable that it really doesn't matter how you want to paint YOUR models. If Jay wants to paint a Brass Scorpion in Nurgle colors then more power to him, it's paint over plastic at the end of the day.
Nightwing and gorgon super heavy tank are my favourites
me: yea 2k is to much for model
also me having 4k worth of plastic behind me
I definitely feel the Fellblade, the marine baneblade equivalent, feels more space marines than the astraeus but that won't stop me from getting both in due time... already have the fellblade in the painting queue
Ya I love the fellblade and astraeus but it's really just retro vs future 40k
Hey Jay, guys here
I know it is ridiculous but I love the mechanicum ordinatus ulator
now look what you have done. the tantalus is out of stock
Dawh, didn’t get to see my beloved Tau titan
I have the adeptus titanicus warlord Titan and it is 100% worth it. Also the only forgeworld kit I would get is the questoris Knight styrix
Agreed. It's a really nice build. Most of the Adeptus Titanicus stuff is nice to both build and paint.
@@kglguy yeah I'm looking into getting a warmaster titan at some point
Oh my that is a hot take. Flyers are always cool in my books. I have 2 Stormraven my Blood Angels just for the fluff.
I have the Hirophant bio Titan🙃😉
I love the Brass Scorpion :P
I love the tantalus but I don't love that it's always out of stock online ;-;
You're not wrong about the flyers. Fixed wing models just don't belong in 40k.
i do like aircraft being in the game but don't understand why there's so many planes going on. why not more hovering gunships that are comparable to helicopters and such?
The little kid / milk comment killed me. Spot on!
OMG! That Acastus knight looks like it came straight out of the Big O anime.
Gargantuan Squiggoth Gang report in
Forge world has certainly waned in glory. No question about it. Shame, though it is cool that GW has taken a lot of their product line under their own wing rather than having them go the way of the dodo
if the warhound was 300-400 base with the guns being 50, id consider it. i do not understand how people can justify spending over 700$ on 1 model, when 700$ can EASILY get you into the game with 2-3 armies easily.
seam lines.... go build the gundam you'll be amazed. I'm so laugthy to see alll these videos not talking of the real flaws of the complete GWS abuse on customers. tHEY PIE ON YOU GUYS...
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
I don’t agree with your reasoning for the Warlord and cost. It’s all about what you can afford and want to spend your money on. I know a guy with 2 Warlords. My most expensive guitar is £3500, look at the cost of a set of golf clubs. What you choose to spend on your hobby is relative.
This reasoning sounds more like, I can’t afford it so wah.
In my personal opinion, the big phat primaris tank is what all tracks in 40k should look like. Big, imposing, covered in powerful guns but doesn’t look ridiculous like the repulsor. Even though I open like 10 leman Russ tanks I think they’re too short and boxy as well as rhinos. IMO land raiders are a good “light tank” size, the astraeus or Baneblade is more of a “medium” or “normal” size for the crazy grimdark setting, and we’ve yet to see something truly super-heavy. Especially since the scale of 40K has increased, the current tanks look more like speeders or fast attack sized vehicles to me, but it might have always been the case since it’s sill to think you could fit 10 space marines of any size into a rhino, drop pod, etc.
Looking at this from the perspective of a model railroader, a $2000 "mini" isn't there to fulfill the owner's operations. It's a big ol' phallic symbol to show off how much disposable income they have compared to their friends / opponents.
Since 40k is about flinging surplus human lives at a problem, airships and other remote weapons, are detractors from the scheme of things in the typical game play. But they could be fun if you and your friends were to play a two-on-two / three-on-three etc giant battle on an oversized battle field.
As for those clear support bases... 🤢
Jumbo ships like the one on your list could be re-based with a 3-point suspension. Use a weighted disk or rock and metal rod or tube painted flat black. You could further disguise the supports with spun poly (the stuff used for Halloween cobwebs, fishtank filters, or stuffing teddy bears), and made to look like smoke, exhaust, or kicked up dust & dirt. Furthermore, hide batteries in a base, run wires up the support, and light up your ships with surface mount LEDs. The poly can also be illuminate to simulate fire or burning exhaust. As the saying goes, if you can't hide it, decorate it!
I've never bought from Forgeworld for most of the reason you gave. 2 grand for a titan is ludicrous. For 2 grand, that's a great holiday, or if we want to stick to the realms of 40k, enough for a beginner to buy 2 very reasonably sized armies, complete with codex's, alongside a rule book to get started, a decent table to play on and all the accessories you'd need to play (i.e. dice and tape measures.) In fact, get the Imperium magazine and you could get every issue which would give you two armies bigger than any army I've ever collected AND, you could go on a very nice holiday. Also I agree with you on flyers. They obscure your view of the battlefield, they take up too much room, and their bases don't allow for much manoeuvrability. For me 40k has always been about boots on ground. I'll take a platoon of guardsmen over a flyer any day. TBH, i think the same for titans and giant models. How do you fit a humongous titan base on a war-torn city board?
This tank looks a lot better blue than shaded gray. At least you see some lines of it. But yeah, it looks like ripped right out of some scifi game, true. I'm not aware of lore for such a tank, but for me it would serve great as some ancient as Emperor himself tank. You see, I always look at 40k as if something is ancient in Imperium, it is top tier cutting edge humie teknology. I don't like this common image of heresy days as more round armor plates. In my imagination days when Emperor was alive are days of best human technologies ever, so my ancient vaults does not look as old forgotten celtic crypts with crates of plasma rifles. They look more like steril white Intel laboratories, within the frames of my 40k common sense obviously;]. That being said, I like how Space Marines evolve. It's just direction of time arrow in this stylistic is wrong for me;) Those grav tanks should be ten thousand years old, current Imperial gear should not be like that, it should be more junky, more clunky. Anyway that's how I envision the whole thing...
Oh no! He dissed my Flyers! I love Flyers. Sending in my Heldrakes feels right. I lose because the rules but I mean, Spiky Machine Dragons, c’mon! You know they’re awesome and Chaos-y.
The thing that bugs me about the Marauder Destroyer is that 40k lore states that these used to be the Imperial Navy's mainstay space bomber. Um, no. Can't be. Look at the wings, the massive intakes for engines. The thing was clearly designed to operate in an atmosphere. I can believe an X-Wing fighter is designed for space warfare more than the MD. This sculpt is too WW2. It's great, but it screams atmospheric craft.
I was gonna save my change until I had enough to buy the warlord Titian figure it would take 2/3 years. Since I wasn’t taking away from anything else it would be ok. Make it a real project led lighting, sound, magnets for a weapons, it would be a real art display piece. Now I’m like meh maybe ,maybe not.
I never liked the new hovertanks for Space Marines. Space Marines live, eat, sleep, and fuck inside of a Rhino on mechanical treads that chugs diesel through a drinky hat.