@@djbell601 But he wasn't wrong. Clyde had all this planned out for years before he executed his plans. He had access to prison blue prints, built tunnels and accessed drugs and explosives without detection. I know Clyde is a bad guy but I gotta say I admire his intelligence to plan all that and not once did he get caught.
"Okay. Where is he now?" "Oh. We've got him in solitary." "Is someone with a gun watching him?" "No. That's the point of solitary." "Wow... You guys are bad at this."
Like he said, clyde didn't even have to be anywhere nearby to kill someone. Plus, if you knew what he could do like the spy does wouldn't you be scared outta ur mind too of potentially being in his crosshairs?
@@shottygod13 Exactly! I'd be nervous as well that spy must know a lot more than he let on about Clyde and considering how he lost it after his family was killed he's nursing a serious grudge and has had years to plan his revenge I'd be twitchy as fuck in case he came after me for opening my mouth look what he did to Darby fuck that I'd get as far away as possible
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 well let's be honest. Darby had that coming and was more than well deserved. For an offense like just blabbing the mouth about him, he'd probably just make it quick
Rumor is that the original ending called for Clyde to get away with it but Jamie Foxx supposedly leveraged his superior star power to make sure that his character won in the end. If that's true, he ruined what could have been an iconic movie.
I think the movie ending suits Jamie Foxx's character. Teaching him not to strike deals with murderers, which Clyde did become one in the end. Poetic justice to a tragic character.
Clyde was the best, the Government went to him to solve all their problems. Clydes master plan was foiled by a lawyer. Thats why the ending to this movie is horseshit.
@@marsrodI would have not ruined the character by having him kill innocent people not involved in his family's case first... Then I'd have his plan go to absolute perfection with both him and Nick surviving. Nick learning the same lesson he learned in the ending and the added bonus of him either getting away and becoming some type of vigilante or a poetic death that he planned himself as part of the final stages of his plan... Not a normal lawyer outsmarting the black ops problem solver
You missed the entire point of the movie. He wasn't foiled by a lawyer, he lost track of his mission and ultimately became the exact kind of criminal he wanted to keep off the streets. Ultimately the lawyer won because Clyde taught him that you can't compromise when it comes to men like that.
The one thing I particularly love about that movie was the line the CIA agent chillingly delivered to Jonas and Nick... "Walk into his cell, and a put a bullet in his head. Aside from that? No, you can't stop him. If Clyde wants you dead, you're dead."
@@danielamezcua6438 However Nick decided to give Clyde a taste of his own medicine in the end, which was an alternative to simply dropping iron to his head and pulling the trigger.
Yeah, who else are they going to think about? That's the only agency with assassins that fit that description. If we were in England, an average bloke would think "Yep, MI-6."
@@georgeofhamilton more like realistic. it doesnt matter how jaded you are; it's factual that the CIA, and pretty much any major alphabet agency for that matter, has done some HEINOUS shit, both on the record and off the record.
@@allgasnobrakes5233 it never would of happened, you think someone that smart wouldn't of had that tunnel trapped or censors or something to make 100% sure he wasn't caught or failed. Lol yet some half wit DA outsmarted him.
Aparently it doesn't bother anyone the writer/director never disclosed how Darby and Ames happened to select Clyde's apartment. Whops. People would rather debate the ending..lol
@@bill2953 Also, what if the other criminal is made to confess and Darby is given capital punishment, no movie at all right. It is a movie after all, logic is least expected on silver screen 😁
the end of this movie was so disappointing the corrupt lawyer breaks the law, by breaking into Clyde's property, and wins again and gets to go home to his family and gets to KEEP ON being corrupt, and Clyde accomplishes nothing
Clyde showed nick that the government was corrupt, and nick breaking into his place to find evidence, was proof of that. He did accomplish something... he helped nick realize that the justice system is corrupt.
I think Clyde's intention was for Nick Rice to suffer for life and he achieved that. No matter how you dress it up Rice is partly responsible for Clyde going off at the deep end in the first place because he was denied his day in court to tell the jury what Darby did and Clyde's evidence would probably have got a conviction because most juror's are parents. Rice's pride and ego is why he refused to go after Darby because Rice didn't wanna risk lowering his conviction rate, two innocent lives being cruelly cut short didn't even enter his head. Thats why Clyde didn't kill Rice he wanted to fuck with his head and I certainly wouldn't want my friends and colleagues death's on my conscience, Cantrell warned Rice not to make that deal with Darby and he didn't listen now his actions will eat away at him for life because had he just tried like Clyde said only Darby and Ames would have died and the rest would never have happend
It’s Hollywood, it’s owned by the CIA and FBI as a propaganda tool you think they could show a lone person beating them? They have minds to wash and sway and always have to make them self look moral and righteous
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Anyone who has met a DA knows that they go to bed easy while putting underage kids in adult prison, with full knowledge that they'll be raped. They don't feel guilt. It's why they pursue positions of power that ruin lives, rather than a career that actually helps people.
Clyde was the true hero of this movie remember what one of the lead villians, nick, said in a conversation "lets take the deal" "they killed a little girl nick" "some justice is better then no justice at all" and later when clyde asked for a matress for a confession "let me think about it for a bit...how about, uh, fuck no" *talking to his co-worker* "hey. what the hell are you doing?" "what?" "he's right we got nothing on him in this, we NEED a confession, and a confession for a matress? thats a pretty good deal - take your fucking ego out of the game here" so he let a guy who raped and killed a mans little daughter go free but he says no when that same man is suspected of killing him to avenge his family and ONLY asks for a fucking matress?
The fact that this man who lost his wife and kid killed a whole bunch of other people and tried to blow up city hall is what painted him out as a criminal.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 And I think you missed the point of my comment. I was saying that's why he was painted out to be a criminal, not that I agreed with it.
I watched the film in the cinemas back in 2009 and then looked at a newspaper review. "THIS FILM IS PURE EVIL," it wrote. "Damn, I suppose it is," I thought, because Clyde made the completely innocent and uninvolved young daughter of Nick (the corrupt lawyer) watch a recording of a criminal being tortured to death. Now this comment section is full of people thinking Clyde's the hero full stop.
The ending should have been like Swordfish, Fox thinks Butler is dead but after looking at everything realizes he's still out there. He asks the CIA guy if he knows where he is and all he can tell him is that he doesn't have to worry about him coming after him. Next thing he reads or hears about is the mysterious death of either a terrorist leader, a crime boss he couldn't nail, or some other bad person. Fox just walks away with the new mindset Butler instilled in him and be a better prosecutor and knowing anyone he can't get, Butler will see to it they get what they deserve.
Plot twist the guy walking past the conversation taking place under the bypass looking at them briefly with a baseball cap covering his face along with the hood of his jacket was in fact clyde himself! 🔥🔥☺️☺️😂😂🦁🦁
This is exactly the scene that calls out the issue with the ending. If Clyde was that methodical in his approach, he would have better security at the abandoned warehouses which led gang to his cell. And to those that say that it was a genius ending because he finally got the attorney to not deal with criminals, that’s a load of crap. He wasn’t doing this whole thing to “fix” one man. He wanted to bring the whole corrupt system down, but fell short. So, good movie, terrible ending.
I have ALWAYS thought this. He could've put a safety switch on the bomb so it detonateds no matter what. And like someone wrote, hide his tunnel better
Clyde got what he wanted. Remember there was no happy ending for Clyde. Aside from all the people who had a part in the trials of death of his family he dealt with. Which could have been prevented by them not offering the deal. There is a time for a plea bargain or deal but this was not one of them
Wasn’t that due to the last minute changes though?? I remember Gerard Butler saying in an interview that he was originally supposed to win, but they were forced to change it during production because executives thought it would send a bad message.
@@Stupiddumbmanditoryhandle My understanding is that it was foxx himself who insisted the change, that "the bad guy can't win" if he was going to be in the movie. They should've replaced him.
@@jw11432 I’m not sure about the wanting his character to win part. But I do remember a change Foxx was insistent on was playing the part of Nick. The roles were originally the other way around. Gerald playing Nick and Foxx playing Clyde.
@2:14 a random passerby looks behind at the via spy but the spy carried on face tilted as normal to Nick while nick and the other lawyer turned back to look at him, this is a training to make him look less suspicious. Greatly done
The part I loved is when Jamie Foxx's character finally, finally understood, I don't make deals with murderers anymore. That sense of relief Clive seemed to have....that was an awesome scene.
It's already being talked about amongst the producers, casting members aparantly the sequel currently being being talked of brings Shelton back as he didn't die from the blast at the minute i'm treating it as here say until more information is bought foward regarding the sequel currently being talked about
I feel like the Dark leads in the CIA made this guy speak to them. You can tell he doesn’t want to be there. He knows he’s taking a big risk saying anything about Clyde. But he was more warning them instead of selling Clyde out. Basically saying to let Clyde go cuz they can’t win.
@@michaelford1124 Yeah and I’m no expert but when he said “I was never here and we never spoke.” Plus him looking around, you can tell he’s paranoid about Clyde and scared of him. I say he was forced into this talk
i really loved this scene because they made it sound like clyde was a unstoppable force of nature and a perfect killing machine. best anti hero movie of all time imo
Anti-hero is definitely the best way to describe his character. Even when I saw this for the first time in the theater, by the time we were 30 minutes in, I knew that Clive was going to die. My favorite scene was when the DA got the video at his house. I'm glad they didn't have Clive causing a lot of collateral damage. His anger was well directed. Very good movie!!!👍
Too easy. A thinker would see that the pass gave cover to hold indefinitely, but the way around it was a weak point that the winning side will exploit. The Spartans lost because they trusted in flimsy ideas of secrets and honor, and instead of trusting that one of their own wouldn't betray them, purposely set a trap at that point, block it off, or do both. Even further, purposely let the Persians know about it instead of waiting around for the secret to come out.
@@NamelocTheBard The Spartans won that battle. They never thought they'd hold indefinitely and took a gamble that the Persians wouldn't learn of the pass quickly enough to mean anything. Leonidas went out there to die, the guard all had successors. They were just delaying for the rest of the Greek city states to rally forces and meet the enemy in battle proper.
Love this movie but Clyde was never the bad guy he was the hero. And for realisms sake if someone like worked for the government he never would’ve went to jail. He’d be worth to much $$$$ for the government to give up.
When arrogant people with money and so called power think they are above death, there is always someone out that knows a guy that knows a guy to take care of all problems.
Find the right pigeon with a price and the keyhole is open to anyone. No one untouchable some people are harder to get to than others, but patience, time, money and throught anyone can be touched, no security system is 100% fully proof.
best way to end this movie is to cut the movie before Clyde opens the door and imagine it was a Jehovah witness who knocked on the door, clyde slams the door shut and makes his way to the kitchen with his daugher to enjoy dinner
"Just assume he can hear and see everything your doing and saying " If Clyde wants you dead. Your dead" Best part of the movie before they ruined it with the ending.. That movies arc is not linear at all but then agian.. What Hollywood movie is.. You cant have someone actually challenging the totally corrupt system that forgot about any justice decades ago.. Winning.. The Public Relations Gestapo are too scared to have that idea even out there.. I love ❤️ Jamie Fox.. but in this movie its all Clyde and in any real outcome it will be Clyde .. This ending is right in line with GOT ... Jon Wick.. you name it.. Gerald Buttler was fantastic in this role.. This is why all movies and any entertainment sucks now. Cant escape the agenda narrative ..
One of my favourite films - can you imagine how many people actually feel like he did - someone sooner or later will explode with rage against the soft/pathetic system especially like in the UK , most people like to blame the police but it’s our soft pathetic government that makes the rules for them.
For all those disappointed, consider this. Clyde wasn't stopped by Nick. Clyde imprinted himself onto Nick the moment he forced Nick to kill him. And now, Nick is the new DA and no longer negotiates to preserve his conviction record. And he's spending more time with his family. Clyde did EXACTLY what he wanted to do and now his suffering is over. Clyde didn't lose, he won.
This could have been a masterpiece in its entirety if not for the horribly thought out ending. Breaking the law yourself, to put a bomb in his cell, likely killing or injuring others as well as justifying your own murder of him. Just bad. Also if Clyde was such a tactician, like he was shown to be throughout the entire movie, would have been prepared for this and 3 steps ahead. Just like he was with Darby.
Honestly if Clive is that big of an asset to the government, the whole incident with his family would not have happened, assuming Clive knew that he had potential enemies everywhere. Hell, on the off chance that it did happen, he would know enough to pull some strings to get the criminals dealt with legally and get shanked in prison or something.
If people such as Clyde DO exist then THAT is terrifying. Coming up with elaborate methods of killing someone without being in the same room as them or getting the job done from hundreds of miles away is a scary thought😖
The one thing I was thinking over and over again while watching this movie was "Why don't they just post a guard at his cell and basically say, Do not take your eyes off of him for any reason. Hell, why not a whole team?"
Or at least a camera that is out of reach of Clyde. That way Clyde would have had to remain in the cell, unless he had managed to stash equipment into the tunnels underneath to remotely take over the camera.
[Cantrell]: "We're meeting someone." [Rice]: "Who might that be?" [Cantrell]: "Someone who does some really nasty shit so we can live the American dream." [camera shifts to shadowy man standing next to port-a-potty service truck]
Its a very entertaining movie, if you dont go thinking too much about it. If you do, you start noticing: apart from clyde, these characters lack motivation, then you start noticing how there is no character progression whatsoever for any of them, then you notice the plot holes and by then, the ending will be the lesser of your complaints. Just watch it, switch your brain off for a couple hours and enjoy it. Movies are better that way.
This scene should've setup fox still dying even after he kills clyde. The person this spy describes would've ensured that even if he fell, his vengeance would've kept going.
@@scopchanov have you watched the movie? The very premise of the movie is his revenge to the guy that kill his family and to the system who just slapping the guy's wrist for murdering his family just because of some shitty deal the prosecution made with him. Wth are you talking about its not about revenge?
If Clyde was a brilliant and useful tacticians as described, I'm sure secret agencies and military would protect him at all cost... think of the cost savings he brings to the table on solving difficult missions. And the lawyers would probably be silenced by said groups above
He developed a kevlar thread... with a high tech ratchet... made of carbon fiber. Surprising, shocking, disturbing... but extremely genius. Just how advance our technology is today?
@@jaisingh9245 he made a REALLY thick tie (kevlar) that had a ratchet that would tighten after being put on and it was made of carbon fiber so it wouldn't be picked up by a metal detector and he suffocated to death after putting it on and it turning on
Emperor Ssraeshza going to a private home will attract more attention that meeting publicly where people can actually see them talking in low voices. Yeah right.
It's called hiding in plain sight. People generally don't have time to stop and listen to any of the millions of conversations a small group of people have in any given location.
If Clyde was able to develop a kevlar threaded tie and get the bad guy to use it - then why did they burn millions in JDAM trying to kill the guy... they knew where he was.
I remember seeing Law Abiding Citizen 2 on Gerard Butler's IMDB page. Then it was removed a while later and that was the last time I saw it. They totally left it open for him to still be alive but I'm sure it was over money or something since it was never made.
Plain and simple Clyde is one of a kind, his kind of a Man that you can't bought in a market it, he's a Gem 💎 for sure and this district attorney never know what they are dealing with an expert in every shit!
This is why I haven't watched a Hollywood movie in years: we all know for logical and thematic reasons, the "villain" should've won... but because Hollywood is part of the power structure of society, and the power structure abhors the idea that the public could ever defeat it, it wouldn't allow that kind of ending to happen.
He really had to simplify it for them, but it's my favorite defining line: "If Clyde wants you dead, you're dead." Sort of like when the guy in Friday the 13th (2009) was searching for his sister and the woman answered: "She ain't missing. She's dead."
This scene is why the end of this movie doesn’t work. You don’t think he would have known that you would have found some way, illegally, to enter his property that gives him away when he so eloquently planned the rest?
always thinking back to the arrogance of darby.. how he, quite literally, decided to induce hell upon himself. given his penchant for excessive acts of evil its safe to say he is fully athiest. but i suspect 5 seconds into the handsaw severing his lower leg he began to believe real goddamn quick
At the end when Jamie Foxx's character has Clyde murdered it just shows how little integrity Jamie Foxx's character had and how he was satisfied with himself when he did abandon his morals and professional ethics. Innocent men are prosecuted and convicted. Men guilty of heinous crimes are given a slap on the wrist and convicted of a considerably lesser crime just to get the conviction. Watch the movie again and watch Gerard Butler's monologue about how he would have been satisfied if the men who murdered his family were acquitted. Then listen how Jamie Foxx's character says that sometimes they will go for the lesser crime just to get the conviction but is himself satisifed with himself when he is an accomplice to Clyde's murder. They had more than enough evidence to convict Clyde of multiple murders but chose to commit murder himself. Jamie Foxx's character is a hypocrite. Fun movie though.
LAC is by far my favorite movie about the legal system here in amerika. it was _very_ true-to-life, at least the underlying theme of it anyway. my only wish is that it would actually happen a few times. if it did, you'd see the *_rampant_* corruption within our system disappear overnight. www.stloiyf.com/blog
@Chris Madison yet fox placed the bomb in the cell.... knowing full well what would happen, thats still considered murder... if thats the case then making bombs that trigger if someone does something would be deemed not murder with that logic....
@@timothybogle1461 Unfortunately no it’s not up to them it’s up to the District Attorney to make the call but in real life in cases like this a DA will listen to the victims family and take their opinion on how they want to proceed with great consideration if the case is 50/50 like it was in the movie I would say most DA’s would take the case to trial if that is what the family wanted but this is a movie so obviously it doesn’t depict how this would probably play out in the real world for obvious plot reasons lol.
Clyde already has ppl programmed and in places he NEEDS THEM TO BE so he can focus on working on his next mission he can't do everything himself it takes up to much energy so while he works on his new job his minions do the rest
Ok two things that could have vastly improved this movie: #1: Shelton had an accomplice(s), who could help him carry out the attacks. Like he recruits a network of people who were not only screwed over by the system but that also have trades and skills he could employ. The spy said it himself, Clyde is a brain, a strategist. True he’s also an engineer but this is were the ten year time-skip comes in handy. For ten years he recruits allies, scopes out all the locations he needs and builds every device needed so when the time came he was ten years ahead in his plan. And #2, and I think people will agree with me, the ending needed to be changed. Maybe it could end with Clyde getting away or it could have ended with Foxx’s character actually developing because of these attacks. He changes his attitude, his ego gets the severe deflating it’s needed and he admits defeat. Maybe in humility, Clyde could end the bombing of city hall. Sure he’s got blood on his hands but he’s finally gotten him to be humbled, brought down a few pegs. It’s a great concept but this movie needs a remake with these ideas
This is why "The Batman who laughs" is one of the scariest fictional characters All the intellect and resources of The Batman, all of the craziness of the Joker, a combination so powerful he threatens the multiverse as a whole
We have him in Max security Jail...
“LOL, if you have him in jail, it’s because he wants to be in jail.”
2:07 shit just got real.
“it’s because he wants to be” that was a cold ass line!
@@djbell601 But he wasn't wrong. Clyde had all this planned out for years before he executed his plans. He had access to prison blue prints, built tunnels and accessed drugs and explosives without detection. I know Clyde is a bad guy but I gotta say I admire his intelligence to plan all that and not once did he get caught.
"Okay. Where is he now?"
"Oh. We've got him in solitary."
"Is someone with a gun watching him?"
"No. That's the point of solitary."
"Wow... You guys are bad at this."
I love how twitchy the CIA agent is here, he can’t stop looking side to side. He must’ve been petrified that Clyde was about to appear and kill him.
Like he said, clyde didn't even have to be anywhere nearby to kill someone. Plus, if you knew what he could do like the spy does wouldn't you be scared outta ur mind too of potentially being in his crosshairs?
@@shottygod13 Exactly! I'd be nervous as well that spy must know a lot more than he let on about Clyde and considering how he lost it after his family was killed he's nursing a serious grudge and has had years to plan his revenge I'd be twitchy as fuck in case he came after me for opening my mouth look what he did to Darby fuck that I'd get as far away as possible
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 well let's be honest. Darby had that coming and was more than well deserved. For an offense like just blabbing the mouth about him, he'd probably just make it quick
@@shottygod13 I don't disagree with you Darby did have it coming but it was still really fucked up I wouldn't wanna provoke a guy capable of that
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 none of us truly know what we are capable of until our family is taken in front of our own eyes
Rumor is that the original ending called for Clyde to get away with it but Jamie Foxx supposedly leveraged his superior star power to make sure that his character won in the end. If that's true, he ruined what could have been an iconic movie.
That's true.
I think the movie ending suits Jamie Foxx's character.
Teaching him not to strike deals with murderers, which Clyde did become one in the end.
Poetic justice to a tragic character.
Define ordinance #goirish
Source on this one by any chance?
@@saintniccage2818 Source is trust me bro
Clyde was the best, the Government went to him to solve all their problems. Clydes master plan was foiled by a lawyer. Thats why the ending to this movie is horseshit.
What would your ending be ?
@@marsrod Anything other than what happened.
@@marsrodI would have not ruined the character by having him kill innocent people not involved in his family's case first... Then I'd have his plan go to absolute perfection with both him and Nick surviving. Nick learning the same lesson he learned in the ending and the added bonus of him either getting away and becoming some type of vigilante or a poetic death that he planned himself as part of the final stages of his plan... Not a normal lawyer outsmarting the black ops problem solver
You missed the entire point of the movie. He wasn't foiled by a lawyer, he lost track of his mission and ultimately became the exact kind of criminal he wanted to keep off the streets. Ultimately the lawyer won because Clyde taught him that you can't compromise when it comes to men like that.
@@noahdrake2638 Funnily enough this was on TV tonight and I watched it again. Clyde died in the end but taught Nick a lesson and changed him.
The one thing I particularly love about that movie was the line the CIA agent chillingly delivered to Jonas and Nick... "Walk into his cell, and a put a bullet in his head. Aside from that? No, you can't stop him. If Clyde wants you dead, you're dead."
He knew clyde but also knew the c.i.a. was not going to get involved
And he was right. To stop him, they HAD to kill him.
@@danielamezcua6438 However Nick decided to give Clyde a taste of his own medicine in the end, which was an alternative to simply dropping iron to his head and pulling the trigger.
@@GreyDoofus88 Most poorly written, idiotic ending ever put to film.
@Archedgar yup. They didn't have the balls to create an anti hero that stood in opposition to the system and see it through.
I love how he says “Someone who does some really nasty s-- so we can live the American dream” and everyone immediately thinks “Yep, CIA.”
Yeah, who else are they going to think about? That's the only agency with assassins that fit that description. If we were in England, an average bloke would think "Yep, MI-6."
@@ninjachannel007 People who don’t have such a cynical view might not think of anyone.
The C.I.A have their fingers in some really shady shit. From J.F.K to MKULTRA.
@@georgeofhamilton more like realistic. it doesnt matter how jaded you are; it's factual that the CIA, and pretty much any major alphabet agency for that matter, has done some HEINOUS shit, both on the record and off the record.
Last time I checked, osama bin laden was trained by the cia and they were the same dipshits that flooded the US with crack.
this was Clyde's "He killed 3 men with a focking pen" moment
*pencil
Different scene same vibe
Well he did kill a man with a Tbone lol
@@craigdavid2162 I was looking for this comment lol
The great thing about this movie is that Clyde still won in the end, because the DA had to break the law to get a step ahead of him and beat him.
Don’t forgot that Nick also had to brake the law as well by violating Clyde’s civil rights and breaking into his property to find the tunnel.
It wasn't hard. You see, lawlessness is just like gravity. All it takes is a little push!
If Nick willingly put the bomb in his cell, that is 100% murder and likely killed others at the prison. One of the dumbest and worst endings ever
The ending was ass and would of never happened
@@allgasnobrakes5233 it never would of happened, you think someone that smart wouldn't of had that tunnel trapped or censors or something to make 100% sure he wasn't caught or failed. Lol yet some half wit DA outsmarted him.
One thing that bothered me about this movie is that the CIA would never let this Clyde go to prison in the first place.
True, but it is a movie
CIA never would have let his wife and daughter get killed. Those 2 ingrates wouldn't have got to his house.
Aparently it doesn't bother anyone the writer/director never disclosed how Darby and Ames happened to select Clyde's apartment. Whops. People would rather debate the ending..lol
@@bill2953 Also, what if the other criminal is made to confess and Darby is given capital punishment, no movie at all right. It is a movie after all, logic is least expected on silver screen 😁
Not true, they would however bust him out. They are known for that.
the end of this movie was so disappointing
the corrupt lawyer breaks the law, by breaking into Clyde's property, and wins again and gets to go home to his family and gets to KEEP ON being corrupt, and Clyde accomplishes nothing
Clyde showed nick that the government was corrupt, and nick breaking into his place to find evidence, was proof of that. He did accomplish something... he helped nick realize that the justice system is corrupt.
I think Clyde's intention was for Nick Rice to suffer for life and he achieved that. No matter how you dress it up Rice is partly responsible for Clyde going off at the deep end in the first place because he was denied his day in court to tell the jury what Darby did and Clyde's evidence would probably have got a conviction because most juror's are parents. Rice's pride and ego is why he refused to go after Darby because Rice didn't wanna risk lowering his conviction rate, two innocent lives being cruelly cut short didn't even enter his head. Thats why Clyde didn't kill Rice he wanted to fuck with his head and I certainly wouldn't want my friends and colleagues death's on my conscience, Cantrell warned Rice not to make that deal with Darby and he didn't listen now his actions will eat away at him for life because had he just tried like Clyde said only Darby and Ames would have died and the rest would never have happend
It’s Hollywood, it’s owned by the CIA and FBI as a propaganda tool you think they could show a lone person beating them? They have minds to wash and sway and always have to make them self look moral and righteous
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Anyone who has met a DA knows that they go to bed easy while putting underage kids in adult prison, with full knowledge that they'll be raped. They don't feel guilt. It's why they pursue positions of power that ruin lives, rather than a career that actually helps people.
@@eliasheath4484 😂
I don't care what anyone says, but to me Clyde was a stone cold hero.
Yup he rocked the system hard
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACTS!
I fully accept this as a back story for Doug Stamper
You read my mind
Who is that?
I was thinking more of his person of interest character.
@@carminelupertazzijr3512 A character from House of Cards. The Kevin Spacey show on Netflix. It was fantastic until Kevin's pedophile secret came out.
Same lol
Clyde was the true hero of this movie
remember what one of the lead villians, nick, said in a conversation
"lets take the deal"
"they killed a little girl nick"
"some justice is better then no justice at all"
and later when clyde asked for a matress for a confession
"let me think about it for a bit...how about, uh, fuck no"
*talking to his co-worker*
"hey. what the hell are you doing?"
"what?"
"he's right we got nothing on him in this, we NEED a confession, and a confession for a matress? thats a pretty good deal - take your fucking ego out of the game here"
so he let a guy who raped and killed a mans little daughter go free but he says no when that same man is suspected of killing him to avenge his family and ONLY asks for a fucking matress?
Nick was a douchebag. I can't believe he lived.
spy: first of all, i was never here and we never spoke.
also spy: just assume he can see and hear everything youre doing.
I think he meant "see and hear everything you guys are doing with regard to the case"
The dude walking past at the end might be Clyde.
@@aussiegod4269 The cameraman might be Clyde.
Kek
Hands down, the best scene in the movie.
judge getting capped gave me multiple orgasms too
This is von clausewitz shit, total fuckin war
I like how poignant Clyde's expression looks when he is describing his gifts.
The judge answering her cell phone was a pretty good scene.
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The fact the man who lost his wife and kid was painted to be the criminal always rubbed me the wrong way.
The fact that this man who lost his wife and kid killed a whole bunch of other people and tried to blow up city hall is what painted him out as a criminal.
@@DABIGDAWG001 I'm just throwing it out there, but I think you may have missed the point of the movie.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 And I think you missed the point of my comment. I was saying that's why he was painted out to be a criminal, not that I agreed with it.
I watched the film in the cinemas back in 2009 and then looked at a newspaper review. "THIS FILM IS PURE EVIL," it wrote. "Damn, I suppose it is," I thought, because Clyde made the completely innocent and uninvolved young daughter of Nick (the corrupt lawyer) watch a recording of a criminal being tortured to death.
Now this comment section is full of people thinking Clyde's the hero full stop.
Criminals let off and he didn't like that and laid out justice how he thought it should be and yes he killed alot of people who he seen as responsible
"And now I'm leaving, before Clyde wants me dead too."
The ending should have been like Swordfish, Fox thinks Butler is dead but after looking at everything realizes he's still out there. He asks the CIA guy if he knows where he is and all he can tell him is that he doesn't have to worry about him coming after him. Next thing he reads or hears about is the mysterious death of either a terrorist leader, a crime boss he couldn't nail, or some other bad person. Fox just walks away with the new mindset Butler instilled in him and be a better prosecutor and knowing anyone he can't get, Butler will see to it they get what they deserve.
damn that would've been so much better
I'm just going to forget the original ending and officially claim this as the real ending LOL
Yeah, that is a much better ending.
We could have had a great ending like this, if Jamie Foxx was such a self-absorbed, narcissistic asshole demanding the ending be about him.
This. 100%
Plot twist the guy walking past the conversation taking place under the bypass looking at them briefly with a baseball cap covering his face along with the hood of his jacket was in fact clyde himself! 🔥🔥☺️☺️😂😂🦁🦁
To quote George Orwell, "Civilization sleeps undisturbed in its bed but for rough men willing to do violence on its behalf."
This is exactly the scene that calls out the issue with the ending. If Clyde was that methodical in his approach, he would have better security at the abandoned warehouses which led gang to his cell. And to those that say that it was a genius ending because he finally got the attorney to not deal with criminals, that’s a load of crap. He wasn’t doing this whole thing to “fix” one man. He wanted to bring the whole corrupt system down, but fell short. So, good movie, terrible ending.
I have ALWAYS thought this. He could've put a safety switch on the bomb so it detonateds no matter what.
And like someone wrote, hide his tunnel better
Clyde got what he wanted. Remember there was no happy ending for Clyde. Aside from all the people who had a part in the trials of death of his family he dealt with. Which could have been prevented by them not offering the deal. There is a time for a plea bargain or deal but this was not one of them
Wasn’t that due to the last minute changes though?? I remember Gerard Butler saying in an interview that he was originally supposed to win, but they were forced to change it during production because executives thought it would send a bad message.
@@Stupiddumbmanditoryhandle My understanding is that it was foxx himself who insisted the change, that "the bad guy can't win" if he was going to be in the movie. They should've replaced him.
@@jw11432 I’m not sure about the wanting his character to win part. But I do remember a change Foxx was insistent on was playing the part of Nick.
The roles were originally the other way around. Gerald playing Nick and Foxx playing Clyde.
Clyde wins in Snyder's cut
@Butter Brickle Take that back. Collateral is fucking pure kino.
@Butter Brickle Jamie Foxx has a weave
@Butter Brickle It's on his beard though
I 1000% support this as the best comment EVER!
This is my favorite scene in the movie. “If Clyde wants you dead -- you’re dead”.
This is my favourite scene of the movie.
So simple yet so bone-chilling.
@2:14 a random passerby looks behind at the via spy but the spy carried on face tilted as normal to Nick while nick and the other lawyer turned back to look at him, this is a training to make him look less suspicious. Greatly done
The part I loved is when Jamie Foxx's character finally, finally understood, I don't make deals with murderers anymore. That sense of relief Clive seemed to have....that was an awesome scene.
problem is Butler´s character wanted whole system to wake up and change,not just one person :)
There needs to be a pre-sequel for this movie
It's already being talked about amongst the producers, casting members aparantly the sequel currently being being talked of brings Shelton back as he didn't die from the blast at the minute i'm treating it as here say until more information is bought foward regarding the sequel currently being talked about
1:29 so assume that Clyde knows his old war buddy is dropping dimes about him 😂
Yes. You should absolutely assume that
he didn't really drop dimes, he warned the lawyers of whom they are really up against.
I like how the guy walking past clearly heard the spy talking about how to kill Clyde but he still lives.
i bet that was clyde loooooool
That was defo clyde
@@rilxdo3524 it was lol
@@onshaqnem hahahahahahaha
So nice of this guy to give up his “friend” coworker.
I feel like the Dark leads in the CIA made this guy speak to them. You can tell he doesn’t want to be there. He knows he’s taking a big risk saying anything about Clyde. But he was more warning them instead of selling Clyde out. Basically saying to let Clyde go cuz they can’t win.
@@Atomic_Mayhem21 thats exactly what i think. he's letting them know that they're not up against some average joee operative
@@michaelford1124 Yeah and I’m no expert but when he said “I was never here and we never spoke.” Plus him looking around, you can tell he’s paranoid about Clyde and scared of him. I say he was forced into this talk
I want to see a movie with this Clyde character. He somehow didn't die at the end and......
i really loved this scene because they made it sound like clyde was a unstoppable force of nature and a perfect killing machine. best anti hero movie of all time imo
He literally was, if it wasn’t for “good guy has to win” he easily would’ve came out on top
Anti-hero is definitely the best way to describe his character. Even when I saw this for the first time in the theater, by the time we were 30 minutes in, I knew that Clive was going to die.
My favorite scene was when the DA got the video at his house. I'm glad they didn't have Clive causing a lot of collateral damage. His anger was well directed.
Very good movie!!!👍
It was a good movie, minus the gore pron and lame ending.
I like how he laughed when he said “he’s in jail is because he want to be in jail”
I would like for people to speak about me like this at my funeral
Let me do it now. Choose your casket.
Clyde won because he basically got Nick to murder him in the end, which proved one of his major points.
if thats the case then he shouldve thought of a way to hold off the persians without even being in thermopylae.
Post a sign at the Hot Gates saying "Invade if you're gay"
Too easy. A thinker would see that the pass gave cover to hold indefinitely, but the way around it was a weak point that the winning side will exploit. The Spartans lost because they trusted in flimsy ideas of secrets and honor, and instead of trusting that one of their own wouldn't betray them, purposely set a trap at that point, block it off, or do both. Even further, purposely let the Persians know about it instead of waiting around for the secret to come out.
@@NamelocTheBard 8====D
@@NamelocTheBard The Spartans won that battle. They never thought they'd hold indefinitely and took a gamble that the Persians wouldn't learn of the pass quickly enough to mean anything. Leonidas went out there to die, the guard all had successors. They were just delaying for the rest of the Greek city states to rally forces and meet the enemy in battle proper.
This bit with Michael Kelley is the best scene in the film.
Love this movie but Clyde was never the bad guy he was the hero. And for realisms sake if someone like worked for the government he never would’ve went to jail. He’d be worth to much $$$$ for the government to give up.
shit gives me chills. boy was a machine
Ummm ... it's a movie.
@@JustCallMeKen really
Dude was the spec op of the spec ops, no way he'd get fooled by an attorney lol
“If Clyde wants you dead, you’re dead.”
One of the greatest movie moments. Ending had to have the "good guy" win. Lmao
When arrogant people with money and so called power think they are above death, there is always someone out that knows a guy that knows a guy to take care of all problems.
Find the right pigeon with a price and the keyhole is open to anyone. No one untouchable some people are harder to get to than others, but patience, time, money and throught anyone can be touched, no security system is 100% fully proof.
Best way to watch this is to cut the movie off at the last few minutes and imagine Clyde winning.
best way to end this movie is to cut the movie before Clyde opens the door and imagine it was a Jehovah witness who knocked on the door, clyde slams the door shut and makes his way to the kitchen with his daugher to enjoy dinner
“We’re burning up millions in ordinance and we’re getting’ nowhere with this guy.” 😂 💀
Then Mr. No nonsense comes along and says: "You guys, (CIA) bothered to check Miss 'bad guy' Amazon shopping wishlist." 😂😂
one of my favorite clips from one of my favorite movies
In the end they really didn't beat him they just killed him cause that was the only way out.
Clyde deserved more.
Such a good cameo from Michael Kelly.
"Just assume he can hear and see everything your doing and saying "
If Clyde wants you dead. Your dead"
Best part of the movie before they ruined it with the ending..
That movies arc is not linear at all but then agian..
What Hollywood movie is..
You cant have someone actually challenging the totally corrupt system that forgot about any justice decades ago..
Winning..
The Public Relations Gestapo are too scared to have that idea even out there..
I love ❤️ Jamie Fox.. but in this movie its all Clyde and in any real outcome it will be Clyde ..
This ending is right in line with GOT ... Jon Wick.. you name it..
Gerald Buttler was fantastic in this role..
This is why all movies and any entertainment sucks now.
Cant escape the agenda narrative ..
I will always remember this movie as the movie where the good guy dies.
One of my favourite films - can you imagine how many people actually feel like he did - someone sooner or later will explode with rage against the soft/pathetic system especially like in the UK , most people like to blame the police but it’s our soft pathetic government that makes the rules for them.
For all those disappointed, consider this. Clyde wasn't stopped by Nick. Clyde imprinted himself onto Nick the moment he forced Nick to kill him. And now, Nick is the new DA and no longer negotiates to preserve his conviction record. And he's spending more time with his family.
Clyde did EXACTLY what he wanted to do and now his suffering is over. Clyde didn't lose, he won.
This could have been a masterpiece in its entirety if not for the horribly thought out ending. Breaking the law yourself, to put a bomb in his cell, likely killing or injuring others as well as justifying your own murder of him. Just bad. Also if Clyde was such a tactician, like he was shown to be throughout the entire movie, would have been prepared for this and 3 steps ahead. Just like he was with Darby.
Thank Jamie Foxx for that.
The alternate ending is perfect. Look for it. It's on TH-cam. They should've used that.
Honestly if Clive is that big of an asset to the government, the whole incident with his family would not have happened, assuming Clive knew that he had potential enemies everywhere. Hell, on the off chance that it did happen, he would know enough to pull some strings to get the criminals dealt with legally and get shanked in prison or something.
Michael Kelly has played a CIA agent in most of his career.😂
I like his person of interest character.
That was Byron before he became head of the agency. Leading the Lionness program.
This is the best part of the movie
If people such as Clyde DO exist then THAT is terrifying. Coming up with elaborate methods of killing someone without being in the same room as them or getting the job done from hundreds of miles away is a scary thought😖
The one thing I was thinking over and over again while watching this movie was "Why don't they just post a guard at his cell and basically say, Do not take your eyes off of him for any reason. Hell, why not a whole team?"
Or at least a camera that is out of reach of Clyde. That way Clyde would have had to remain in the cell, unless he had managed to stash equipment into the tunnels underneath to remotely take over the camera.
We’ll just like Jeffery Epstein the guy might fall asleep😐
[Cantrell]: "We're meeting someone."
[Rice]: "Who might that be?"
[Cantrell]: "Someone who does some really nasty shit so we can live the American dream."
[camera shifts to shadowy man standing next to port-a-potty service truck]
Yall arguing in the comments about plot holes. I just think its a damn good movie!!!
I think many can say it's a great movie ... Just crappy ending. A dude who killed a man with his own bow tie gets outsmarted by this guy ???
Its a very entertaining movie, if you dont go thinking too much about it. If you do, you start noticing: apart from clyde, these characters lack motivation, then you start noticing how there is no character progression whatsoever for any of them, then you notice the plot holes and by then, the ending will be the lesser of your complaints. Just watch it, switch your brain off for a couple hours and enjoy it. Movies are better that way.
Agreed. Could it have been a better ending? Yeah, but it wasn't terrible. People read way too much into stuff. Still a great movie!
The lawyer became the detective😂😂😂 what a stoopid character
This scene should've setup fox still dying even after he kills clyde. The person this spy describes would've ensured that even if he fell, his vengeance would've kept going.
In the whole movie there is not a single sign of vengeance.
@@scopchanov have you watched the movie? The very premise of the movie is his revenge to the guy that kill his family and to the system who just slapping the guy's wrist for murdering his family just because of some shitty deal the prosecution made with him.
Wth are you talking about its not about revenge?
@@Zero.Requiem That is not a revenge. It is making a point.
@@scopchanov It's still revenge. Dam well know it felt good killing the one who killed his loved ones
If Clyde was a brilliant and useful tacticians as described, I'm sure secret agencies and military would protect him at all cost... think of the cost savings he brings to the table on solving difficult missions.
And the lawyers would probably be silenced by said groups above
My favorite Part of this movie.
blowing up the judge is a close second. www.stloiyf.com/blog
Clyde is one of my favorite protagonist in a movie. Yeah that's right I said it. He's a protagonist.
Don’t worry, most people agree anyways with you’re claim considering it’s flat out true.
He developed a kevlar thread... with a high tech ratchet... made of carbon fiber.
Surprising, shocking, disturbing... but extremely genius.
Just how advance our technology is today?
can u pls explain the tie theory
@@jaisingh9245 he made a REALLY thick tie (kevlar) that had a ratchet that would tighten after being put on and it was made of carbon fiber so it wouldn't be picked up by a metal detector and he suffocated to death after putting it on and it turning on
@@cliffordgardner7975 smart man
This movie is batshit crazy and I love it
This could've been a awesome movie, had Jamie Foxx not ruined it.
Bro this smart and crafty but couldn’t get a ring doorbell for his house.
Killing Clyde off was so stupid...they had a franchise here under their nose and blew it to satisfy the ego of Jaime Fox....
You know when Doug Stamper is afraid of someone then that person is not to be messed with.
First of all I was never here and we never spoke, says the CIA agent while talking in a public place where they were seen by other people. Lol
Emperor Ssraeshza going to a private home will attract more attention that meeting publicly where people can actually see them talking in low voices. Yeah right.
It's called hiding in plain sight. People generally don't have time to stop and listen to any of the millions of conversations a small group of people have in any given location.
If you even wanna go a step further, you say that one of the guys walking in the tunnel is also another cia agent Patrolling , just what I thought tho
If Clyde was able to develop a kevlar threaded tie and get the bad guy to use it - then why did they burn millions in JDAM trying to kill the guy... they knew where he was.
I remember seeing Law Abiding Citizen 2 on Gerard Butler's IMDB page. Then it was removed a while later and that was the last time I saw it. They totally left it open for him to still be alive but I'm sure it was over money or something since it was never made.
“Just assume this guy can hear and see everything that your doing” 👽
👽
Love this scene, spoils the rest of the movie without the audience realizing it
Fkn CIA for ya
Prison installs cameras..
Clyde: crap!
Have cameras, no clayd hahahaa😂😂😂
I would have preferred the alternate ending they had for this movie! The ending was dumb. No way a lawyer finds out what he was doing.
If Clyde wants you dead, you’re dead. 💀 😂
Plain and simple Clyde is one of a kind, his kind of a Man that you can't bought in a market it, he's a Gem 💎 for sure and this district attorney never know what they are dealing with an expert in every shit!
This is why I haven't watched a Hollywood movie in years: we all know for logical and thematic reasons, the "villain" should've won... but because Hollywood is part of the power structure of society, and the power structure abhors the idea that the public could ever defeat it, it wouldn't allow that kind of ending to happen.
Clyde never would win anyway, if he lives, he still lost his family
Yep
❤❤❤❤❤ someone with brain
He really had to simplify it for them, but it's my favorite defining line: "If Clyde wants you dead, you're dead." Sort of like when the guy in Friday the 13th (2009) was searching for his sister and the woman answered: "She ain't missing. She's dead."
😂😂😂that mean ass old lady made me laugh when she said that just direct to the point
Great scene. Should have cut the movie 15 minutes short.
This scene is why the end of this movie doesn’t work. You don’t think he would have known that you would have found some way, illegally, to enter his property that gives him away when he so eloquently planned the rest?
always thinking back to the arrogance of darby.. how he, quite literally, decided to induce hell upon himself. given his penchant for excessive acts of evil its safe to say he is fully athiest. but i suspect 5 seconds into the handsaw severing his lower leg he began to believe real goddamn quick
darby is just an evil pyschpath. This had nothing to do with religion or the ñack of it.
He severed his penis
this movie should have had 3 more sequels and a tv series.
At the end when Jamie Foxx's character has Clyde murdered it just shows how little integrity Jamie Foxx's character had and how he was satisfied with himself when he did abandon his morals and professional ethics.
Innocent men are prosecuted and convicted. Men guilty of heinous crimes are given a slap on the wrist and convicted of a considerably lesser crime just to get the conviction.
Watch the movie again and watch Gerard Butler's monologue about how he would have been satisfied if the men who murdered his family were acquitted. Then listen how Jamie Foxx's character says that sometimes they will go for the lesser crime just to get the conviction but is himself satisifed with himself when he is an accomplice to Clyde's murder. They had more than enough evidence to convict Clyde of multiple murders but chose to commit murder himself.
Jamie Foxx's character is a hypocrite.
Fun movie though.
Jamie Foxx has a weave
LAC is by far my favorite movie about the legal system here in amerika. it was _very_ true-to-life, at least the underlying theme of it anyway. my only wish is that it would actually happen a few times. if it did, you'd see the *_rampant_* corruption within our system disappear overnight. www.stloiyf.com/blog
@Chris Madison yet fox placed the bomb in the cell.... knowing full well what would happen, thats still considered murder... if thats the case then making bombs that trigger if someone does something would be deemed not murder with that logic....
In reality it isn't up to the grieving family members on whether a deal is made or not.
@@timothybogle1461 Unfortunately no it’s not up to them it’s up to the District Attorney to make the call but in real life in cases like this a DA will listen to the victims family and take their opinion on how they want to proceed with great consideration if the case is 50/50 like it was in the movie I would say most DA’s would take the case to trial if that is what the family wanted but this is a movie so obviously it doesn’t depict how this would probably play out in the real world for obvious plot reasons lol.
Why didn't the government come in to save Clyde if he was such a great asset to them?
This was a great movie, until the last 20mins. No F’ing balls
Agreed. Horrible ending. Clyde was the good guy.
Was going to watch this movie until I read this , thank you
Now it comes down to scoll to find the quote that reminds us we don't have the capacity to remember we browsed this very clip.
When are we going to see the clyde either wins or gets away at the end cut?
You have to believe that "his" freedom at a price ... That some people don't want to get paid or lose ...
Clyde already has ppl programmed and in places he NEEDS THEM TO BE so he can focus on working on his next mission he can't do everything himself it takes up to much energy so while he works on his new job his minions do the rest
Ok two things that could have vastly improved this movie:
#1: Shelton had an accomplice(s), who could help him carry out the attacks. Like he recruits a network of people who were not only screwed over by the system but that also have trades and skills he could employ. The spy said it himself, Clyde is a brain, a strategist. True he’s also an engineer but this is were the ten year time-skip comes in handy. For ten years he recruits allies, scopes out all the locations he needs and builds every device needed so when the time came he was ten years ahead in his plan.
And #2, and I think people will agree with me, the ending needed to be changed. Maybe it could end with Clyde getting away or it could have ended with Foxx’s character actually developing because of these attacks. He changes his attitude, his ego gets the severe deflating it’s needed and he admits defeat. Maybe in humility, Clyde could end the bombing of city hall. Sure he’s got blood on his hands but he’s finally gotten him to be humbled, brought down a few pegs.
It’s a great concept but this movie needs a remake with these ideas
I definitely agree with #2, but not so much #1. Having an accomplice would be too cliche and doin all this dirt solo dolo sounds more badass
@@Dragon_Gaming2020 no he didn’t. Clyde Shelton didn’t have any help and that’s part of the problem.
Clive is a man of focus, commitment and sheer fucking will.
Classic Stamper. Always being sketchy
Rough but really good movie
he is kinda like a killing batman
This is why "The Batman who laughs" is one of the scariest fictional characters
All the intellect and resources of The Batman, all of the craziness of the Joker, a combination so powerful he threatens the multiverse as a whole
Guy walking by in the hat is like,, why are spies always talking to people when I walk by here?