its not about leaking sensitive information, it's about china being able to influence millions of americans with content algorithms. Doesn't sound so bad until you realise just how much and how often straight up propaganda against the state and country of USA is spread throughout tiktok
Well as @facepalm7345 mentioned, its more about the ability of hostile governments to influence millions of Americans. Also, HR7521 would could also effect other online/tech companies that are controlled by hostile foreign governments so other Chinese apps/games/websites could be banned later on since they could also be used as ways to influence the american public.
while i can agree with that part, tiktok is a brain rot app, im concerned about it being sold instead of just banned and as far as i understand it, be under the Governments control if sold, which is pretty spooky scary if you ask me. @@facepalm7345
@@Skaypegote 1998 Sokcho submarine incident , the crew literally executed each other or committed suicide on the submarine when a South Korean warship started tugging it to shore.
Its not just ban its sell or it will be banned, some are genuinely concerned on cybersecurity since if china asks and if the official is high up enough they can get information because pipl only restricts lower level govt officials, so ehhh ppl are exaggerating, what im saying is id like to keep the bad apples away but china isnt better
@@TheRunobenuntil you and others supporting the bullsh*t bill show the same energy of “concern over amount of information available to them to the point of forcing them to divest/break-up or be banned” about the social media companies *in the US* that have demonstrated the same or worse behavior and yet nothing was done, then all the gymnastics justifying the bill are nothing more than hot air. TikTok is problematic, but so are Google, Meta, and X (née Twitter), if not worse with the scraping of data. (For example, last I checked TT hadn’t been found to scrape private medical info from patient portals like Meta has been found to)
The fact that tiktok was caught MULTIPLE TIMES lying say that they can't, don't, and won't collect users' personal data and send it to china and people still want to defend it......
@@elitemook4234This isn’t going after TikTok. It’s going after anything. The POTUS can literally declare any website as “indirectly controlled by a foreign adversary” and ban it. Read the bill.
To be fair the security concerns are actually very valid. Chinese products are know to be data octopuses. When you download and accept the terms of agreement you accept to basically a legalized spyware. They get access to the data on your phone, the network your phone is connected to, the other devices on the network and those devices data aswell. This is why its a security concern because its not just access to your camera and mic. Temu does the same thing and games like Genshin Impact get Kernel permissions and can read/write at will. We already had some bases having to replace cameras because there were backdoors in the cameras chipset for chinese hackers. Cyber security is no joke. Its more than some Private dancing and getting geolocated or background analysis.
Also, there the ever present influence operations that the Chinese government sponsors through apps like tiktok where the algorithm will steer users towards particular topics that paints China in a positive light while hiding or removing content that shows China in a negative light.
I fully agree here, everything you said is true, and this is on top of the proven disastrous effects it's had on children's attention spans. It's just bullcrap how that anti-Tik-Tok Bill is inevitably going to be used to usher in a crapload of things that are even more devastating to the internet.
"America, there's something you should know about your domestic policies and legislation: _China_ and _Russia_ agree with you." "...I need to get into rehab _RIGHT F@CKING NOW."_
@@projectdeveloper9311Yeah, and the first constitution should also be read daily. The Articles of Confederation. Good advice in there on how to claw back the "Limited and enumerated" powers the fed3s have managed to acquire. It won't happen though. Power does what it does, that is to say it grows large enough that eats everything in it's path and finally starves for lack of people to exercise power over.
Maybe instead of or in addition to banning toctic they should also create mandatory privacy laws that limit what data can be collected across all apps/services.
Maybe let's welcome a step in that direction rather than only accepting a one stroke panacea to what the US public caused by wanting everything online for free.
To be fair, the way the TikTok algorithm is run, it is basically slot machine level of addiction inducing (they use actual gambling tactics to make people more addicted to the way they server videos, not alone, the others do it as well, but not as much as them) It's positioned to be a glorified making people dumber style of app, while the Chinese version is geared to wards pushing educational content. (our version of TikTok is literally banned in China ... let that sink in. And I don't mean the content, I mean the whole framework is literally banned over there)
Its use as a propaganda/falsehood pusher is about as maximum as it can get. If it were only about pushing dumb videos or educational videos it would be fine, but that isn't how it is being run. For China, manipulating narratives, conversations, and censoring what they don't like/can lose face over/not the party line is at the level of common and expected. There is zero doubt in my mind that a company as influential as Tic Tok is being pro-China manipulative, both helpful to China and detrimental to not China. I think it is literally impossible for CCP officials to resist the veritable candy store that is Tic Tok. It would be like getting a Huawei phone WITHOUT the CCP spyware turned on (though to be fair USA also has built in backdoors, however it is telling that Chinese officials use Apple phones over domestic).
Not to mention the amount of people committing serious crimes because they’re chasing clout on TikTok is seemingly higher than on any social media before it. While I don’t agree with censorship, I truly believe TikTok has made people both much dumber and more violent.
@@kugelblitzkriegthat is exactly how I feel about them. I am completely against censorship, but this isn't censoring because we don't go after a specific content / narrative. It's more like drug control, after we find out that especially minors get really addicted and ruin their lives with too much use. And same goes (in my opinion) for facebook/instagram and any other social media site. They all need some sort of minor protection. Facebook's own research uncovered that their service has major contributions to 1 in 3 female minor has serious thoughts of ending themselves because of it.
Not to mention the fact that kids are literally threatening suicide over it being banned. Is that not concerning enough to warrant some amount of restriction? It's a drug that most kids are helplessly addicted to.
Love the fact that we always thank Russia for their “Special” operation. When you say it enough times, makes you wonder if it was special because of the mental deficiency, or something more.
I won't be surprised if, when all of this wraps up, we find that Putin owned hundreds of thousands of shares of Raytheon and MBDA and the entire thing was also intended as advertising for western defense contractors. I'm kidding, but that is literally the only way to justify the claims about Putin playing 5D chess we get from the Russia-bots.
The TikTok ban is however an extremely good idea TikTok records all data on your device, it essentially installs a keylogger which remains active on your device even after the app has been deleted Now, plenty of sites do this, Google and Facebook are notorious for doing so, however the issue is in the data collection and storage Meta and Alphabet have private servers in the US, while ByteDance, TikTok's backer, have servers in china and are specifically required to share any and all data with the Chinese government There's a reason that US Navy and Army personnel have been banned from using or having the app installed on any non-personal device since 2020, and it's nothing to do with the content on the app, which is a discussion all on its own
Would like to point out that up until recently foreign companies were out right now allowed to own American TV and Radio stations. There was and still is a DANG good reason for this.
(Glances at JK Rowling) Yeah, the UK has no leg to stand on, IRL. It's amazing how we've more or less gotten used to HLC's take that we've leaned into it
Usually I'm opposed to censorship... however about a third of Americans use tt and that app has access to a lot of information. Location data, other apps used, etc. just those two snips of data gives away a lot. Shopping habits, daily needs, what we do and use in our work and free time. So the ban on the China based company makes sense with our relationship to China. There should be an internet bill of rights though.
You realize the only thing that distinguishes your case for banning TikTok from a case for banning basically any popular website is the (nominal) nationality of the company that owns it, right? Though credit where it's due, the world WOULD be a lot better off with social media as a concept abolished.
@@metalgear6531 Its also that the company that runs the app is effectively (if not literally) controlled by a foreign government and used as a resource to acquire not just personal information, but potentially secure information or access to it. Be wary of ANYTHING that needs root or kernal access to anything you own, it gives that program an insane amount of access to your system.
@@metalgear65311. It's not a ban, they can sell it. 2. Why not try reading the long and dense text of the 3 page bill and its 2 pages of supplemental material and you would know that there is nothing based on nominal nationality. 3. don't hurt yourself here, but why would China ban its own people from...Tik Tok? Wrong message for that target audience.
As an American I have huge respect for Sweden. I love a country that doesn’t wait on America but actually takes initiative themselves. Poland and Sweden are some of the best Allies we could ask for 🇺🇸 ❤🇸🇪❤🇵🇱
Given some of the stupid on that island at times, I think they built a catapult inside the glass house and started thinking it would be wasteful to not use it.
Don't forget the record breaking knife crime wave in London and the various murders by farming tools in Scotland. England likes to act like they didn't subjugate most of the globe for centuries, and only quit because they were too bankrupt to continue. Real fucking noble, huh?😂
@@natebowman7593as Sam Miller said, there are specific street corners reserved for street preachers, that have been reserved for such activities, for over two centuries. The Brits treat street preachers as street vendors. You can do it, you just need to abide by certain guidelines and restrictions.
I’m not fully convinced a good portion of congress knows what the internet is. But I am certain that putting the word security anywhere near it will involve them putting a wall in front of it.
When you take into consideration it uploaded location data (amongst other things) to Chinese servers that the ccp have access to under Chinese law, I can understand uncle Sam being a teeny tiny bit on edge about the app. Unfortunately for the people, they worded the law they used to give them a lot more power than necessary.
It's a tale as old as time. Use a concerning situation to pass laws that infringe on citizens' rights and call it security. It happened in the civil war, it happened with the Maine, it happened with the Gulf of Tonkin incident, it happened with 9/11, and it'll keep happening until we're no more free than the masses of China. They chip away, chip away, so slowly most people don't even notice it. Then one day you wake up and you can't even vote.
How so? I read the bill myself. It has to be 20% owned/controlled by China, Russia, Iran, or (I think) two other countries in order to be given a divestment order. On top of that, the President has to justify why the application poses a national security risk to Congress. It is an extremely limited bill.
I think the issue is that they aren't talking about closing the company down, but divesting itself from known antagonistic actors. I would suggest going to the law itself and reading the points instead of just getting a snapshot from most social media personalities. They are taking some of rhe same soundbites that others has stated, but do not know what it actually entails.
@sleepygryph Or... the average human. Hell, I've yet to meet someone who hasn't been formally trained to read/speak legalese that could actually fully comprehend it. You can get some of the major details, but not all of it. Regardless, the way the ban is working is that the Chinese company either has to sell it or it'll get banned... which is still not really very freedom of you.
I Do agree that America did the right thing with TikTok, There's no such thing as a private company in China, TikTok being owned by anything Chinese makes it by definition an extension of the Chinese State... I don't like what google does, but at least there's the bottom line the top dollar, a Chinese Company I don't trust to go for the same goal, and the absolute influence TikTok has on youths is disconcerting in general
The downsides are that it sets a very bad precedence to do the same to any other social media/ website congress gets scared of. And it's not like the slop there can't be found on every other platform in slightly different flavors.
TicToc seems to have been good for HLC. I still didn't expect him to defend a foreign adversary spyware. That's how greed gets ppl to be traiters. Sad, really
Yeah honestly this comment should be higher with 100s of likes. This is pure nonsense that he's defending a literal Chinese spy app because he got addicted to social media fame
... No. I don't even use TikTok, but seriously, the first amendment means that even if you think it's stupid, people should be allowed to say and communicate what they please.
@@Isometrix116Indeed, but there's a fine line between free speech and an app that disproportionately is used by the youth that actively promotes the interests of foriegn states. TikTok demonstrably is pro-CCP and promotes divisive content to America's most impressionable. I don't know about you, but that goes a bit beyond "wahh, muh free speech" in my opinion.
@@TheAdmiralMoses What do you mean by "promotes the interests of a foreign state"? Like... is tiktok doing pro-CCP propaganda? I've never heard of it doing that, but that doesn't mean much. Do you have anything that shows the demonstrably pro-CCP type of stuff TikTok does? Or do you just mean their CEO is pro-CCP? Essentially, you'd have to prove that the things that are happening are promoting pro-CCP sentiments. Any and all social media will promote divisive content. This is just how internet algorithms work, including TH-cam and Twitter. We can't just say "But people are being divided, so no more free speech." That's authoritarian. Free speech is incredibly important to me as an American. It's up there with the right to bear arms, the rights you have in courts, and the fundamental human rights everyone has. The only times the government should be getting involved restricting speech is when it comes to committing crimes, impersonation, infringement of protections (copyright, trademark), direct and actionable threats, or things that are proveably untrue which cause physical harm (yelling fire in a crowded building). TikTok is none of these. Banning TikTok would essentially be saying "Anything we label foreign propaganda can be banned," which is a slippery slope Russia already went down and it ended with banning anyone with dissenting opinions.
@tyler1107 it's not people saying anything. It's an arm of the Chinese state, for all intents and purposes. Users aren't being censored whatsoever by the US, the company itself is being punished for being literally our enemies. If they actually cared about free speech, they'd divest themselves from China ASAP. They don't. China is throwing a hissy fit because they're losing one of their greatest methods of controlling the American psyche.
@@Isometrix116 so you like all of your personal information being held by the great China then ??? lol has nothing to do with censorship and EVERYTHING to do with 170 million + Americans personal information at the hands of a ' aggressor ' government.
Tbh tiktoks data acquisition capabilities are freaking scary. And the fact that China has the ability to demand data from them is even scarier. If you don't care about your data being private you need to reevaluate.
That is the reason why everyone should be happy over this semiban...btw its not a ban, tiktok will stay available as long as they get sold to a non chinese adversary
EVERY American social media platform sells your private data, some car manufacturers are also doing them same thing. It's not just tiktok they're just being scapegoated
Exactly, people need to understand that there are NO privately owned companies in China. Tiktok has never been available in China they have a alternate program that is 180• opposite from tiktok. Tiktok is basically a data mining site. Temu is the same.
TikTok's data acquisition capabilities are actually pretty run-of-the-mill as far as social media companies go. Everything that TikTok can do, Meta, Google, Amazon, Twitter, and even your damn car are all hoovering up massive amounts of data on you. **The TikTok ban wouldn't any prevent these companies from just selling China the data.**
You would be correct but they don't have freedom of speech as the first amendment in their constitution and beat their chest about being the land of the free
Slippery slope. It's a precedent. Now they can ban any platform they seem "dangerous". I hate TikTok. But even if it is a psyop then it's up to the people to guard themselves and stay informed, not the nanny government.
or when it's not true. I don't think companies from Iran, China, Russia or North Korea should be allowed to do business in the US. Why do you want to fund America's enemies?
The nations that are essentially the Goku and Vegeta of European powers. (Edit: I'll save you all some time. 5 or so comments down from me, the "WW2 History Buffs" appear and make this comment chain devolve faster than the city of Detroit.)(Edit 2: looks like OP caught them at it as well.)
Basically when your divorced parents actually agree on something because you keep doing something wrong. Personally I think France makes the mom since, it was literally the reason the USA still exists to this day while Britain is the dad since he used to be EXACTLY what the USA is today.
Depends on the age. After the first world war, absolutely, but before as a Dutchman I have to say that whenever the French and the English gang up liberty suffers. Freaking empires.
Something to remember. The dialects in sweden Can be pretty strong. If you're from northern sweden and you're talking to somebody from southern sweden. It sounds like two different languages!
Honestly as a Swede. I am actually happy that someone even if its just you in your funny and silly meme videos actually bring up Gotland. Even if it wasn't by name. Unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle of the baltic. Anyways happy to be in Nato (Finally...)
I mean what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander. Facebook... er um Meta... needs a good slapping too. But I'd rather we put in well enforced User Privacy regulations than arbitrarily choose a platform that might have problematic issue to data access. I mean Cambridge Analytica was a British company that mined and sold US user data to Russia.
ehhhhh.. its not arbitrary. The growing mind of youth are the most susceptible to manipulation. Even predators in the wild just go for babies and kids because they know theyre the easiest to eat. Our evolved instincts cover the danger of predators getting access to children in the physical world, but it seems those evolved instincts are not capable of metaphorically porting those instincts to the virtual one. Theres a difference between a predator getting to constantly whisper in a childs ear to buy a product, and one that considers them an enemy that needs to be destroyed. That platform is a weapon designed to mess up children over time. They wont let it in their own country. They have one thats totally different, thats named the same thing, that is designed to do the opposite.
Yeah well, I’ll take what I can get and this isn’t a “specific company” it’s any company that has controlling shares owned by a hostile governement (currently defined as Russia, Chana Iran and North Korea.)
@Ashbringer36 exactly. I'm all for it. They have the opportunity to get paid for it, or just lose access if they didn't want the money. Censorship would be outright shutting them down.
Nah it's fine, just force one company to become American owned or get banned! Instead of say, giving us back our right to privacy! Cuz China bad or something
In China there is no such thing as a private company, the closest equivalent is a company that the Chinese government does not yet have a use for. The US should not allow any entity subject to a law that requires them to hand over user data to a foreign government without due process, to preform any operations that collect user data, within US jurisdiction. Also the TikTok algorithm is a Chinese Psy op.
And meanwhile…Telegram which is run out of Saudi Arabia, War Thunder and VKontakt which are run out of Russia, 4chan which is run out of Japan (and Ilbe which is run out of Korea) are definitely _NOT_ American are all running unfettered, and Congress passed a ban to take out _One_ chaotic neutral Chinese website 🙄🤦♂️
@@thecrowcookIt is, it's censoring an app controlled by a foreign state, that actively promotes division in America, promotes the ruling part of that state's goals, and supresses information that makes the foreign state look bad. So it is indeed censorship, but absolutely justified. China banned Facebook for far less.
The tok is a designed weapon aimed at the youth of other countries. They wont let it in their own. They use a different one. I do think action is required. Hijacked action, is not required.
You'd think a service member would understand a bit more about the downsides of having a social media platform operated by a foreign adversary, but i guess HLC is a content creator first, disappointing.
@@dougdahlberg3358New Zealand, Belgium, France, the UK, and the Eu commission itself have bans on Tik Tok being on federal devices, in addition to Canada, Australia, and India
@@PrayingPanda and yet Telegram (Saudi spy ware) VKontakt and War Thunder (Russian spy ware) and 4chan (Japanese Trojan horse for spyware of hostile countries) are operating unfettered, but yes good job for taking out the Chinese spyware 🙄
no kidding. And comparing the TikTok ban to a country that willingly starved and killed up to 45 MILLION people for said leader to stay in power isn't right.
It does, if only because they don't enshrine freedom of expression as one of their core values. You know, the first core value in their list of core values not critical to governmental function even.
I disagree, just because I want to know what problems there are, no matter who mentions it. I ujderstand what you're saying, but I think the knowledge is more important.
on the flip side: If the UK thinks the US is going overboard on a topic like that, maybe it's time we take a step back and do some serious self examination.
It's not about censorship or "just an app with dances and lipsyncing." It the insanely shitty backdoor security risks so that every phone with the app open can have their face monitored, their fyp modified to stay oblivious or manipulated through propaganda, etc. Just look at how tribal partisan the nation has become in the last 5 to 15 years. The aisle isn't a walkway. It's a battle line. It sucks for a lot of people. Really, it does... but it's not for censorship (although I'd be foolish to think that wasn't at least a factor in their decision). That being said, good luck, HLC. Hope the tiktok crowd joins here soon so you can keep supporting yourself with this hilarious and informative content
Everybody who’s upset about the TikTok thing hasn’t read the bill TikTok isn’t even at risk of being banned and they just have to sell it to an American company
Which 1: The parent company has already told Congress to get bent about that. and 2: The Senates gonna look at this bill and personally Slap congress with it in total rejection
@@jameskarg3240 First off parent company’s big talk is going to disappear the moment they actually have to face the numbers Second off you’re right about the senate, they are not going to do it which is why we have to vote them out Elections are coming up make sure you vote
@@zekiah2 You would do well to sooner swallow glass. Senate Elections wont be in time to save the bill. And there eont be another attempt. The 1st amendment gaurentees ALL freedom of Speech irregardless of its source. This point stands as an ABSOLUTE in our constitution, immovable for ALL time so long as the constitution exsists as a binding document to this Republic. The Senate is bound to it, as are me and you and every American citizen irregardless how we may otherwise feel about such laws, where we live doesnt agree to fluid-law interpritation
depends. in germany denying the holocaust ever happen? yeah they are going to take that seriously and throw you in jail for your ignorance. freedom of speech for all, on top of freedom of consequence.
That would require all of 5-6mins and no one can be bothered. Why else do you think the US is in the state it is currently? The majority of the population will believe anything they are told rather than attempt to think or be rational so as a whole, we may as well actually be illiterate.
@@Tyekiller115Canada is considering passing the Online Harms Act, which would allow judges to imprison people for life for speech crimes, including advocating genocide or "promoting hate". It also allows the Canadian government to put a person under house arrest if the government thinks it's likely someone may commit a crime in the future.
@@NRSGuardianI hope it doesn't include video game speech, in that case all the Stellaris players in Canada would be faced with genocide and war crimes.
I live like 45 minutes away from Ft. Polk and I just saw a couple Swedish soldiers at my job. I guess they didn't waste time shipping dudes over to the JRTC.
The problem is the law the way its written basically lets the US wave off any website by claiming its run by an adversary. Pandora's box. Also if they are that worried about China/Russia misinformation, then why aren't they on Elon's shit for all the Russian/Chinese bots on Twitter? Oh right he's a wealthy American billionaire that likely has a bunch of congress in his pocket due to campaign donations.
Its also signal boosts issues the benefit the Chinese agenda, for example, for every one pro-Israel video, it might show 10 pro-Palestine videos. With the gullibility of our youth (and many adults) all it takes is a bit of propaganda waterboarding to convince the mentally deficient of anything.
Also there is proof that it's being used for mass CCP information gathering and propaganda warfare. They didn't go after it with bipartisan support for no reason
Yeah, that's facts. But do we really wanna give the Fed the legal tools to ban social media and any other form of communication they don't already have control over?
EXACTLY! You'd think a service member would understand a bit more about the downsides of having a social media platform operated by a foreign adversary, but i guess HLC is a content creator first, disappointing.
I love this content. I really need HLC or another veteran familiar with radio etiquette to read some military chatter in my novel. I'm a professional author and I've published multiple books, and I did a lot of research and tried really hard to get the terms and language correct. Watching HLCs videos gives me the warm and fuzzies because it seems like I got things mostly right, but I've still yet to receive feedback from someone with actual military experience.
Oh, thank you. The first in the series is already put. It's titled "Beyond Conviction" by C.J. Watson. I have another series but that's not relevant to what we're talking about here.
We use to not allow foreign nations to have tv and radio stations. How is tiktok different? We already have issues with our homegrown social media platforms and censorship. What makes people think that the CCP doesn't control tiktok, and what gets pushed? Tiktok here and tiktok in china aren't even the same. That alone should be enough for people to realize that maybe there is an issue. Also, the bill is only 13 lages long. I recommend people actually read it.
I'm just surprised Congress finally made a bill that wouldn't make my printer demand more paper. If we can't get term limits, can we get page limits? Get the eco activists involved and limit how many things can be shoved into a single bill 'for the trees'?
13 pages long is actually pretty long if it’s filled with tiny ass typing and vague sentences. Not to mention the attention span problems that are popping up just about everywhere. I’ve been told that my Silver book is to long for anyone to actually read. The book is only 313 pages which is pretty damn short for a normal novel
@Argento_Wolf 13 pages for anything going through the Senate or congress is actually really short, seeing how they like to make things thousands of pages.
@@joak9992 100% agree. I hate that they can add unrelated things into bills. Like when democrats were saying that Republicans stopped the border bill they had, it was because of the other crap they threw in.
For real Bro, I'm so fed up with fb, ig and tt. And Scotland saying something about censorship that so funny bc, the "UK firewall" make it extremely, for ppl to talk to each on any social media platforms from USA to UK. I had better comunication with ppl in China then I do with ppl in the UK, especially Scotland. The British block a lot of Scotland's interwebs.
The problem isn't banning tiktok, the problem is the extremely vague words in the bill that could he used to ban anything else. Please hold your representatives accountable, as the founding fathers intended.
No the actual problem is you're listening to BS and you're not reading the actual bill itself. It is specific to tiktok and bite dance Tick Tock is the one putting out the BS, take some time read the actual bill
People don't quite understand just how bad TikTok can be. Use AI to identify service members and their rank and maybe even MOS through their videos and comments. Use the app to keep track of the phone's location. Now you have an idea of what troops are moving where and when. It's not JUST the ability to push a particular message to vulnerable demographics in order to affect things like elections and public perceptions. It's an amazing tool for war.
There is a simple solution. Require companies to tell individual users when their data has been sold, to whom it was sold, and what was included. Also, this requirement shouldn’t go away just because that data is anonymized. This includes not just social media and website operators but also subsequent resellers of that data.
this isn't about about "selling data". the intelligence community gave several important examples of how the prc uses the app in very different ways than that. the debate on the hill never brought up "selling data". it's the connection to prc government and their laws that are at issue. if tik tok divests from China it'll be legal in the states and can still profit from selling data
@@ianbarrow4087 I'm not at all opposed to requiring China to divest itself here. Yes, TikTok other outfits owned by China are special cases. They do way more than just track users. They are using TikTok to drive campaigns influencing people. Maybe the US should have the same policy China has. There are NO American companies operating in China. John Deere makes and sells tractors in China. But it's "John Deere China" or something. Or it's a partnership with a Chinese company that owns 51% of the partnership.
@@ianbarrow4087The fact that the bill was passed almost unanimously after a classified briefing on the app by our intelligence community Give me all the red flags I need
while also promoting physically harmful "challenges" and making said 9 year olds so addicted to it they threaten suicide if its given even the mildest of restrictions
TikTok has actually demonstrated its ability to influence our political and social spectrum. There’s a guy who demonstrated how easy it is to make a pro-Palestine protest which in theory would lock down all of the dc area, coupled with the fact that bytedance has misinformed its users to keep itself relevant
I mean, you're not wrong, but at least they don't scream on and on about "free speech for everyone' then enact censorship on flimsy National Security arguments. They up-front say that 'Your free speech is dependant on your social contract with the government'. Dickish, sure, but at least honest about being dicks.
As someone who depends on and appreciates your content, please diversify your platforms, none of them can be trusted at this point not to change tos and ban hundreds or thousands of accounts. Bitchute takes a lot of grief, but they don't seem to be as ban-happy as most, would make a nice place to archive everything.
I for one wholeheartedly agree with the TikTok ban; free speech is one thing, but TikTok is specifically designed and being used by the Chinese government to keep American childrens' attention spans short and IQs low; at the cost of a niche creator-base that can easily move to a different platform like TH-cam or Instagram, I feel this is no great loss. Social media is a detriment to our society, especially when weaponized as TikTok is.
This is not exactly what they're worried about though. They're worried about it being vector for breaching sensitive or air-gapped networks. All Chinese companies are bound by law to allow their government access to products and services as a means for espionage. Stuxnet was already a proof of concept the US/Israel allegedly used to get in the proximity of someone that would end up in proximity of the real target. Some kid with an important parent gets some vulnerability exploited on one of their devices as a by product of sharing a network with their kid's phone running TikTok.
The first amendment is about the actual speech done by Americans, specifically of a political nature, and the actions taken to further that speech. TikTok, is a specific, not an act of free speech itself, and there is nothing preventing you from using other social media platforms instead, so no one's speech is actually being impacted. It's more akin to the government shutting down a random park which is sometimes used by some people to talk about politics. They can just go to another park, they aren't being targeted or discriminated against. It is commonly accepted by legal professionals that banning TikTok has absolutely nothing to do with the First Amendment. Fucking get over it
I agree with you, no First Amendment is being violated as they can go to another app. A concern I have however it's what's stopping the government from blocking other apps that they deem to be a threat to national security
@@STONKS_MemeManThey would only ban foreign owned apps and if you have an issue with that then go live in said foreign countries because we don’t want you
@@STONKS_MemeManNothing in particular, hopefully. The legality of an action or a law can be decided based on intent. If the government is clearly trying to ban an app as an act of suppressing speech, this can be determined through the judicial system. Like how buying a hammer isn't illegal, but it can be used against you in a court of law to prove the murder you committed with it an hour later was premeditated. It's really not that big a deal, and it's mostly just panicking by people whose understanding of law is limited to hollywood depictions. There are rules about how laws must be interpreted, and the rules around the First Amendment predispose findings _against_ the government.
We're going to surgically remove this threat posed by a single Chines application. Find your sharpest scalpels. Congress: Best I can do is this fully functional Warhammer 40k chainsword.
The "tiktok ban" wouldn't be so bad if they legislation wasn't open ended to allow blanket bans of *domestic owned* websites for "national security reasons" that are not explicitly defined. If they were going to do it, the bill really should have read "Tiktok will be banned in the United States due to it's ownership and weaponization by the CCP unless Bytedance fully divests from the company and sells it to an American company" without all the vague language turning the bill into a "patriot" act for the internet.
@@nadjasunflower1387 I suppose that's my fault for hoping for idealism instead of pragmatism. Ultimately I don't have a horse in this race since I have zero social media, unless you count this, in which case I have exactly one.
@@damoclesecoe7184 I'm the same. no TT's, IG, or whatever else is out there. haven't been on FB in 7 or so years. YT is about it for me. Just stating the obvious. one of the constant arguements I've seen is. But mah followers, and mah money...blah blah. HLC it seems has deffinately crossed over into that realm because of how well he's grown. who cares about an aggressor government having all of your personal data, as long as the likes keep coming. lol
Honestly losing TikTok wouldn't bother me, I understand that content creators who make their living on TikTok would be feel quite a lot of fiancial but as regular millennial who has never even once used TikTok, it wouldn't break my heart. For every Habitual Linecrosser, there's a 1000 dead beat wanna-be influencers who contribute nothing In the grand scheme of things, at least Habitual and The Fat Electrian actually do content that's fun to watch and educational.
We need to do more than just banning a spyware app; the points made in this video are valid. There's a LOT of companies selling our information to China, or worse, letting China influence our culture that need the boot to come crush down hard on.
Fuckin temu is worse than tik tok and not only that youtube Facebook Twitter all american company's spy on you you ban tik tok you have to ban them all
It’s mostly about the Chinese back door in the coding, courtesy of the Chinese parent company, but yeah. And it was given time to fix it and break away. But, you know… still a rights infringement.
What about all the NSA back doors in everything, or the NSA rerouting Cisco shipments to Langley to install surveillance devices in network equipment domestically and foreign?
@@DigitalMoonlightJust because you can't trust one, doesn't mean the other is trustworthy either. "What about" does nothing for the topic. You are allowed to distrust both. It's okay.
@@DigitalMoonlight Nobody is saying the US is a good guy in the narrative, but it is certainly the less bad guy... the one you kind of like in the story but still is pretty ruthless if people fu** around. You know you love that architype. But this guy keeps the worst ones from taking over. NSA backdoor vs CCP backdoor... both are bad... but one is a republic the other a dictatorship. One has some accountability the other.. well take a guess.
As with Trump's 2020 executive orders banning Tik Tok, the bill, if it becomes law, may also be struck down in a civil rights court case soon after. Although, Democratic opposition in the Senate may sink the bill, as currently more Republican legislators are in favor than Democrats.
@miceltusav88 bruh I was begging trump and the Rino's to do this. Guess the kleptos realized they can't keep collecting if the country implodes before they die.
All the cyber security guys all agree the semiban isnt censorship as that would imply there is nowhere else the people on that app could go when there are plenty of other options
Swede here - I'm actually glad your swedish accent isn't perfect because I die inside whenever I hear one of my countrymen speaking english. Sweden's accent in this video was just the right amount of "Yeah, yeah, I can sort of hear it" without crossing over into the uncanny valley. So good job! And thanks for welcoming us into NATO. I'd have personally seen that we remained the uncontested world champion in neutrality, but fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, Russia.
The ban isn't about national security. It is a political move to make it look like Congress is doing something at the expense of the people's rights. 1. More than TikTok, the biggest threats to our democracy have been Superpacs. Here in California, we had an Israeli-led superpac that poured millions into a congressional race during the primary race. Russian and China can and has done the same through agents posing as private citizens joining superpacs. 2. Over the past decades, there has been less and less funding (purchasing power wise) being given to libraries, after-school programs, elective classes in secondary schools, youth mental care, etc. However, addressing these subjects requires actual governing, so Congress doesn't wanna do that. 3. There has also been a growing gap between laws regarding citizens' privacy and advancements in technology (not just social media), but again, Congress dread doing that because it means messing with their Superpac overlords who profits from them.
No way. Show up 7 decades late to the party, back-pay is expected. The "warm Nato wlecome" should be reserved only for those who have consistently given their 2%, and that is a PITIFULLY short list...
@@_d--that's all well and good. What I don't appreciate so much is their 40-year spree of professed 'nuetrality' that allowed them to get cozy with the Soviets, Viet-Kong, and even North Korea while the rest of the world knew better. The Soviets back then were WAY more brutal and warhungry back then than today's Russian Federation; and yet, the Swedes were VERY open and public about playing both sides - how they weren't afraid of war with Russia (even though part of their nextdoor neighbor Finland had been invaded, occupied and annexed for a while) and didn't need the protection of NATO. Some would call that dumb, at at least their commitment was respectable.... And now....after enjoying the side-effects of their neighbor's Nato protections without paying a penny after ALL THESE YEARS....a war breaks out in a land much further away from them that Finland.....and NOW, they're suddenly scared of Russia and wanna hide behind Nato????? Disgraceful, in my opinion.
@@andreweiseman7140 Hmmm... 40 years of neutrality?? It was 200+ years of neutrality. And our last war was with guess who? Russia! Sweden has been govern by lefties for the majority of the years after WW2. And we have had close ties to NATO since NATO was set up. The reason we didnt joined earlier is that the lefties dont wants nukes on swedish territory and the fact that lefties are exactly that. But we have NEVER been friend with the Sovietunion or later Russia. It is the total opposite. There has been very close to open war between sweden and soviet/russia numerous times since after WW2. So get your fact right before you comes with your b-s. And the reason we applied to NATO was two: 1: Finland wanted to join WITH sweden since we have had pretty much a "2 countries 1 defence" agreement for years. 2: Russia was making threats to both Sweden and Finland every week for a long time, cuz both countries has been working deeply with NATO the last 30 years or so, participating in eachothers exercises for example. And as a sidenote, since the war in Ukraine started, Sweden has been protecting NATO's eastern front in Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania by flying with our surveillence aircrafts on a nearly daily basis.
"Nobody is going to use a lipsync app to leak sensitive information"
*laughs in war thunder forums*
its not about leaking sensitive information, it's about china being able to influence millions of americans with content algorithms. Doesn't sound so bad until you realise just how much and how often straight up propaganda against the state and country of USA is spread throughout tiktok
Well as @facepalm7345 mentioned, its more about the ability of hostile governments to influence millions of Americans. Also, HR7521 would could also effect other online/tech companies that are controlled by hostile foreign governments so other Chinese apps/games/websites could be banned later on since they could also be used as ways to influence the american public.
while i can agree with that part, tiktok is a brain rot app, im concerned about it being sold instead of just banned and as far as i understand it, be under the Governments control if sold, which is pretty spooky scary if you ask me. @@facepalm7345
@@facepalm7345 VKontakt: Hold my vodka bottle
@@facepalm7345 You think people need propaganda to be pissed off?
If North Korea ever tries anything with their Navy, just remember. They once lost a submarine to a fishing net.
Please, I need to know more, do you have a source for this? I NEED to read this. My week needs a laugh
@@Skaypegote
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Sokcho_submarine_incident
@@Skaypegote
1998 Sokcho submarine incident , the crew literally executed each other or committed suicide on the submarine when a South Korean warship started tugging it to shore.
they also once touched a US Navy communications ship and haven't found out, yet...the Ship is still in Pyongyang
@@waltvonkeisel5610 🤣
They passed this in 4 days. Keep that in mind when they shut down for the billionth time
Its not just ban its sell or it will be banned, some are genuinely concerned on cybersecurity since if china asks and if the official is high up enough they can get information because pipl only restricts lower level govt officials, so ehhh ppl are exaggerating, what im saying is id like to keep the bad apples away but china isnt better
@@TheRunobenuntil you and others supporting the bullsh*t bill show the same energy of “concern over amount of information available to them to the point of forcing them to divest/break-up or be banned” about the social media companies *in the US* that have demonstrated the same or worse behavior and yet nothing was done, then all the gymnastics justifying the bill are nothing more than hot air.
TikTok is problematic, but so are Google, Meta, and X (née Twitter), if not worse with the scraping of data. (For example, last I checked TT hadn’t been found to scrape private medical info from patient portals like Meta has been found to)
@@TheRunobenI'm a simple man. I see "Made in China", I don't touch. They probably painted it with lead.😂
@@SkunkApe407 Nah, painted with lead is Mexico
China is cheap plastic crap :P
There have been 14 times in the entire history of the USA that the government has shut down. 2 under Trump. Keep that in mind.
“Your boomers in Washington” 😂 again can we just agree that congress is a nursing home for the elderly and mentally disabled?
If anything, it's ignoring tiktok cancer for so long what could be directly tied to boomerism.
Yet they voted those elderly and mentally unstable to whinne...freedumb..heck yeah!!!🤟
It'd only be more of a nursing home if the House & Senate were located in the Keys instead of DC :P
yh thats where there should be an age cap
The fact that tiktok was caught MULTIPLE TIMES lying say that they can't, don't, and won't collect users' personal data and send it to china and people still want to defend it......
"Its for national securtiy"
Warthunder: **sweating profusely**
War thunder is a Russian Psy op. It should be removed too.
I don't know. Tick tock seems like a text book example of 5th generational warfare.
@@elitemook4234This isn’t going after TikTok. It’s going after anything. The POTUS can literally declare any website as “indirectly controlled by a foreign adversary” and ban it. Read the bill.
@@janehrahan5116 You say that but most of the shit that got leaked was either russian or chinese.
@generalgarchomp333
Implying they have stuff worth stealing.
To be fair the security concerns are actually very valid. Chinese products are know to be data octopuses. When you download and accept the terms of agreement you accept to basically a legalized spyware. They get access to the data on your phone, the network your phone is connected to, the other devices on the network and those devices data aswell. This is why its a security concern because its not just access to your camera and mic. Temu does the same thing and games like Genshin Impact get Kernel permissions and can read/write at will. We already had some bases having to replace cameras because there were backdoors in the cameras chipset for chinese hackers. Cyber security is no joke. Its more than some Private dancing and getting geolocated or background analysis.
Also, there the ever present influence operations that the Chinese government sponsors through apps like tiktok where the algorithm will steer users towards particular topics that paints China in a positive light while hiding or removing content that shows China in a negative light.
How often do you have to polish your tin foil hat to keep it from rusting?
I fully agree here, everything you said is true, and this is on top of the proven disastrous effects it's had on children's attention spans.
It's just bullcrap how that anti-Tik-Tok Bill is inevitably going to be used to usher in a crapload of things that are even more devastating to the internet.
@@joeg4589 considering its aluminum, never XD now polishing it to keep the shine, every 3 months
You mean, everything the US has been doing for literal decades?
Glass houses Britain, yall arrested someone over a pug....
And a sticker on their car...
Long live justice Dankula
But, but, but... the pug made a knot-zee salute.
It kind of annoying to be required to misspell word to get around the TH-cam Stazi censors
And arrested an autistic girl.
Last year the UK arrested over 3300 people for social media posts.
"America, there's something you should know about your domestic policies and legislation: _China_ and _Russia_ agree with you."
"...I need to get into rehab _RIGHT F@CKING NOW."_
1hr of reading the OG constitution papers a day should do
@@projectdeveloper9311 Might need a guidance councilor to help. There are some tricky phrases like "the right of the people"
CCP simp. John Addams approves the ban.
Yeah… because clearly banning foreign propaganda fronts is totally equivalent to running actual concentration camps.
@@projectdeveloper9311Yeah, and the first constitution should also be read daily. The Articles of Confederation. Good advice in there on how to claw back the "Limited and enumerated" powers the fed3s have managed to acquire.
It won't happen though. Power does what it does, that is to say it grows large enough that eats everything in it's path and finally starves for lack of people to exercise power over.
Maybe instead of or in addition to banning toctic they should also create mandatory privacy laws that limit what data can be collected across all apps/services.
But then how would they purchase personal data to target voters and create gerrymandered districts?
Nah cause then American companies couldn't use your information
Sure, that would be nice. But getting rid of a hostile foreign power's infowar asset takes priority.
Maybe let's welcome a step in that direction rather than only accepting a one stroke panacea to what the US public caused by wanting everything online for free.
Great, do that too. But shutting down the Chinese infowar operation takes priority.
To be fair, the way the TikTok algorithm is run, it is basically slot machine level of addiction inducing (they use actual gambling tactics to make people more addicted to the way they server videos, not alone, the others do it as well, but not as much as them)
It's positioned to be a glorified making people dumber style of app, while the Chinese version is geared to wards pushing educational content.
(our version of TikTok is literally banned in China ... let that sink in. And I don't mean the content, I mean the whole framework is literally banned over there)
Its use as a propaganda/falsehood pusher is about as maximum as it can get. If it were only about pushing dumb videos or educational videos it would be fine, but that isn't how it is being run. For China, manipulating narratives, conversations, and censoring what they don't like/can lose face over/not the party line is at the level of common and expected.
There is zero doubt in my mind that a company as influential as Tic Tok is being pro-China manipulative, both helpful to China and detrimental to not China. I think it is literally impossible for CCP officials to resist the veritable candy store that is Tic Tok. It would be like getting a Huawei phone WITHOUT the CCP spyware turned on (though to be fair USA also has built in backdoors, however it is telling that Chinese officials use Apple phones over domestic).
It makes people dumb and have short attention spans.
Not to mention the amount of people committing serious crimes because they’re chasing clout on TikTok is seemingly higher than on any social media before it. While I don’t agree with censorship, I truly believe TikTok has made people both much dumber and more violent.
@@kugelblitzkriegthat is exactly how I feel about them.
I am completely against censorship, but this isn't censoring because we don't go after a specific content / narrative.
It's more like drug control, after we find out that especially minors get really addicted and ruin their lives with too much use. And same goes (in my opinion) for facebook/instagram and any other social media site. They all need some sort of minor protection.
Facebook's own research uncovered that their service has major contributions to 1 in 3 female minor has serious thoughts of ending themselves because of it.
Not to mention the fact that kids are literally threatening suicide over it being banned. Is that not concerning enough to warrant some amount of restriction? It's a drug that most kids are helplessly addicted to.
Love the fact that we always thank Russia for their “Special” operation. When you say it enough times, makes you wonder if it was special because of the mental deficiency, or something more.
I'm now going to picture Russia saying "special" like the special kid memes from the early 2000s.
@@bmxriderforlife1234Sspwesial
I won't be surprised if, when all of this wraps up, we find that Putin owned hundreds of thousands of shares of Raytheon and MBDA and the entire thing was also intended as advertising for western defense contractors.
I'm kidding, but that is literally the only way to justify the claims about Putin playing 5D chess we get from the Russia-bots.
It’s “special” because it’s something they love with all their hearts
Yep. It’s amazing how much NATO can benefit from Russia’s missteps, but China can profit from America’s idiotic self-destruction.
The TikTok ban is however an extremely good idea
TikTok records all data on your device, it essentially installs a keylogger which remains active on your device even after the app has been deleted
Now, plenty of sites do this, Google and Facebook are notorious for doing so, however the issue is in the data collection and storage
Meta and Alphabet have private servers in the US, while ByteDance, TikTok's backer, have servers in china and are specifically required to share any and all data with the Chinese government
There's a reason that US Navy and Army personnel have been banned from using or having the app installed on any non-personal device since 2020, and it's nothing to do with the content on the app, which is a discussion all on its own
The reason we’re so pissed with it being TikTok is that it’s Chinese, do you really trust the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) with your data?
That doesn't mean Meta and Alphabet *won't* refuse to give key information to the U.S. government whenever they want it.
@daviddebroux4708 very true, the difference is that they're not handing it directly over to an enemy government
@@daviddebroux4708the problem isn't giving it to the US government
Its giving it to chinese government çcp
This isn't a "government = bad" situation, it's an information battle.
Both suck, China's is worse _for the time being._
Would like to point out that up until recently foreign companies were out right now allowed to own American TV and Radio stations. There was and still is a DANG good reason for this.
The children, the childish, the greedy, the ignorant, and those who only care about their number views, don't care.
Yeah you get fox news
And Faux News will continue to be allowed to be owned by a foreigner.
They also were forbidden from running government propaganda, that changed under the Obama administration.
Not* and yes.
Yeah, I wouldn't have the UK of all places trying to lecture the US on censorship. Remember Isabel Vaughan-Spruce?
He's selling out for Tik Tok table scraps.
Or Australia. They have been banning dumb shit for years
@@janehrahan5116Prove it.
(Glances at JK Rowling) Yeah, the UK has no leg to stand on, IRL. It's amazing how we've more or less gotten used to HLC's take that we've leaned into it
Remember Count Dankula?
Usually I'm opposed to censorship... however about a third of Americans use tt and that app has access to a lot of information. Location data, other apps used, etc. just those two snips of data gives away a lot. Shopping habits, daily needs, what we do and use in our work and free time. So the ban on the China based company makes sense with our relationship to China. There should be an internet bill of rights though.
You realize the only thing that distinguishes your case for banning TikTok from a case for banning basically any popular website is the (nominal) nationality of the company that owns it, right?
Though credit where it's due, the world WOULD be a lot better off with social media as a concept abolished.
@@metalgear6531TikTok does far more than the other, non-Chinese-owned social media apps do
@@metalgear6531 Its also that the company that runs the app is effectively (if not literally) controlled by a foreign government and used as a resource to acquire not just personal information, but potentially secure information or access to it. Be wary of ANYTHING that needs root or kernal access to anything you own, it gives that program an insane amount of access to your system.
I take it you've never heard of Meta...
@@metalgear65311. It's not a ban, they can sell it. 2. Why not try reading the long and dense text of the 3 page bill and its 2 pages of supplemental material and you would know that there is nothing based on nominal nationality. 3. don't hurt yourself here, but why would China ban its own people from...Tik Tok? Wrong message for that target audience.
Thanks for having us U S and A + the rest of NATO!!! 🇸🇪
Warm big welcome to NATO from Canada!!! 🇨🇦
Welcome from Italy 🇮🇹
Welcome to the team! 🇺🇲
Welcome to the party (American here)
As an American I have huge respect for Sweden. I love a country that doesn’t wait on America but actually takes initiative themselves. Poland and Sweden are some of the best Allies we could ask for 🇺🇸 ❤🇸🇪❤🇵🇱
Don't forget about them labeling gamers as a "word I cannot say on TH-cam for some reason." Yep, gamers are now the bad guys, again.
In the best Duke Nukem voice I can muster: AND DAMN PROUD OF IT!
Who's done that shit?
Fuck em.
Gamers: the most oppressed minority
Wait….. we’re….. victims?!?! YES! SCORE!!!! BOOM BABY! When’s my victim card coming! I’m so excited! 😊
@@SaveTheKidsD2P There's no victim card, but you can pay $8/month for a green checkmark by your name,
Britain throwing stones in a glass house given the amount of people charged with "hate crimes"
And good luck trying to preach on a street corner without getting arrested in England.
Given some of the stupid on that island at times, I think they built a catapult inside the glass house and started thinking it would be wasteful to not use it.
@@natebowman7593 England has Speaker's Corners for over a century where you can preach to your heart's content without getting arrested.
Don't forget the record breaking knife crime wave in London and the various murders by farming tools in Scotland. England likes to act like they didn't subjugate most of the globe for centuries, and only quit because they were too bankrupt to continue. Real fucking noble, huh?😂
@@natebowman7593as Sam Miller said, there are specific street corners reserved for street preachers, that have been reserved for such activities, for over two centuries. The Brits treat street preachers as street vendors. You can do it, you just need to abide by certain guidelines and restrictions.
"if you're watching this on TH-cam, stay there"
Aight bet.
Youboob is 99% of my video content. Facebook is sitting in a corner collecting dustbunnies.
If only Congress could pass an actual comprehensive internet security and user protection law.
Please
SOPPA and COPPA were the previous attempts. All it did was restrict casual users for advertising firms.
@@Veltrossthoboth programs proves how lazy parents are
I’m not fully convinced a good portion of congress knows what the internet is.
But I am certain that putting the word security anywhere near it will involve them putting a wall in front of it.
But that would stop the media companies from making money! Can't have that.
When you take into consideration it uploaded location data (amongst other things) to Chinese servers that the ccp have access to under Chinese law, I can understand uncle Sam being a teeny tiny bit on edge about the app. Unfortunately for the people, they worded the law they used to give them a lot more power than necessary.
It's a tale as old as time. Use a concerning situation to pass laws that infringe on citizens' rights and call it security. It happened in the civil war, it happened with the Maine, it happened with the Gulf of Tonkin incident, it happened with 9/11, and it'll keep happening until we're no more free than the masses of China. They chip away, chip away, so slowly most people don't even notice it. Then one day you wake up and you can't even vote.
How so? I read the bill myself. It has to be 20% owned/controlled by China, Russia, Iran, or (I think) two other countries in order to be given a divestment order. On top of that, the President has to justify why the application poses a national security risk to Congress. It is an extremely limited bill.
I think the issue is that they aren't talking about closing the company down, but divesting itself from known antagonistic actors. I would suggest going to the law itself and reading the points instead of just getting a snapshot from most social media personalities. They are taking some of rhe same soundbites that others has stated, but do not know what it actually entails.
Encouraging people to do their own research, and THEN form an opinion?
That would be a novel thing, wouldn't it.
Yeah this guy is extremely funny when he is actually right. He isn't that funny this time.
Because it effects his pockets no less@@That1guyiknow
Unfortunately the law requires a higher reading comprehension level than the average American has.
@sleepygryph Or... the average human. Hell, I've yet to meet someone who hasn't been formally trained to read/speak legalese that could actually fully comprehend it. You can get some of the major details, but not all of it.
Regardless, the way the ban is working is that the Chinese company either has to sell it or it'll get banned... which is still not really very freedom of you.
I Do agree that America did the right thing with TikTok, There's no such thing as a private company in China, TikTok being owned by anything Chinese makes it by definition an extension of the Chinese State... I don't like what google does, but at least there's the bottom line the top dollar, a Chinese Company I don't trust to go for the same goal, and the absolute influence TikTok has on youths is disconcerting in general
Tiktok is litteraly banned in China.
Their version has has other name and it pushes educational and informative content instead of brainrot.
Damn right!
The downsides are that it sets a very bad precedence to do the same to any other social media/ website congress gets scared of. And it's not like the slop there can't be found on every other platform in slightly different flavors.
@@cowcannon8883exactly
Sending teenagers to prison for 20 years for evading the ticktok ban (which will be very easy to do with a VPN) is kinda draconian.
TicToc seems to have been good for HLC.
I still didn't expect him to defend a foreign adversary spyware.
That's how greed gets ppl to be traiters. Sad, really
Yeah honestly this comment should be higher with 100s of likes. This is pure nonsense that he's defending a literal Chinese spy app because he got addicted to social media fame
Considering the kind of content that is normally on TimTok, no great loss if it gets banned in the US.
... No.
I don't even use TikTok, but seriously, the first amendment means that even if you think it's stupid, people should be allowed to say and communicate what they please.
@@Isometrix116Indeed, but there's a fine line between free speech and an app that disproportionately is used by the youth that actively promotes the interests of foriegn states. TikTok demonstrably is pro-CCP and promotes divisive content to America's most impressionable. I don't know about you, but that goes a bit beyond "wahh, muh free speech" in my opinion.
@@TheAdmiralMoses What do you mean by "promotes the interests of a foreign state"? Like... is tiktok doing pro-CCP propaganda? I've never heard of it doing that, but that doesn't mean much. Do you have anything that shows the demonstrably pro-CCP type of stuff TikTok does? Or do you just mean their CEO is pro-CCP?
Essentially, you'd have to prove that the things that are happening are promoting pro-CCP sentiments. Any and all social media will promote divisive content. This is just how internet algorithms work, including TH-cam and Twitter. We can't just say "But people are being divided, so no more free speech." That's authoritarian.
Free speech is incredibly important to me as an American. It's up there with the right to bear arms, the rights you have in courts, and the fundamental human rights everyone has. The only times the government should be getting involved restricting speech is when it comes to committing crimes, impersonation, infringement of protections (copyright, trademark), direct and actionable threats, or things that are proveably untrue which cause physical harm (yelling fire in a crowded building). TikTok is none of these. Banning TikTok would essentially be saying "Anything we label foreign propaganda can be banned," which is a slippery slope Russia already went down and it ended with banning anyone with dissenting opinions.
@tyler1107 it's not people saying anything. It's an arm of the Chinese state, for all intents and purposes. Users aren't being censored whatsoever by the US, the company itself is being punished for being literally our enemies. If they actually cared about free speech, they'd divest themselves from China ASAP. They don't. China is throwing a hissy fit because they're losing one of their greatest methods of controlling the American psyche.
@@Isometrix116 so you like all of your personal information being held by the great China then ??? lol has nothing to do with censorship and EVERYTHING to do with 170 million + Americans personal information at the hands of a ' aggressor ' government.
Tbh tiktoks data acquisition capabilities are freaking scary. And the fact that China has the ability to demand data from them is even scarier. If you don't care about your data being private you need to reevaluate.
That is the reason why everyone should be happy over this semiban...btw its not a ban, tiktok will stay available as long as they get sold to a non chinese adversary
You mean the same data that has already been bought and sold a dozen times over by companies including American ones
EVERY American social media platform sells your private data, some car manufacturers are also doing them same thing. It's not just tiktok they're just being scapegoated
Exactly, people need to understand that there are NO privately owned companies in China. Tiktok has never been available in China they have a alternate program that is 180• opposite from tiktok. Tiktok is basically a data mining site. Temu is the same.
TikTok's data acquisition capabilities are actually pretty run-of-the-mill as far as social media companies go. Everything that TikTok can do, Meta, Google, Amazon, Twitter, and even your damn car are all hoovering up massive amounts of data on you.
**The TikTok ban wouldn't any prevent these companies from just selling China the data.**
AOC and MTG voting together against Pelosi and Boebert voting together…. This was not on my 2024 bingo card
The UK does not have any highground there, and Scotland is the worst of the bunch.
Last year Russia arrested over 400 people over social media posts, the UK arrested over 3300.
couldn't have said it better myself.
You would be correct but they don't have freedom of speech as the first amendment in their constitution and beat their chest about being the land of the free
@cubefreak123 Sorry, got the year wrong. And what about Dankula's pug fell into any of those categories? Or song lyrics?
@cubefreak123Don't stick up for them, uk doesn't have free speech under DEI policies
I’m okay with adversary nations not being allowed to influence American social media.
exactly
So why is the ban only applied to Tiktok and not every social media platform where we know they pose a greater threat?
Slippery slope. It's a precedent. Now they can ban any platform they seem "dangerous". I hate TikTok. But even if it is a psyop then it's up to the people to guard themselves and stay informed, not the nanny government.
Well, there are still a lot of bots and influencers who are adversarial to the USA on plenty of US owned social media
@@dr.floridamanphdcough cough war thunder forums cough cough
Those willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
You know shits fucked when France and Great Britain tag team.
or when it's not true. I don't think companies from Iran, China, Russia or North Korea should be allowed to do business in the US. Why do you want to fund America's enemies?
Shouldn’t you be asking eldigan out or something?
The nations that are essentially the Goku and Vegeta of European powers.
(Edit: I'll save you all some time. 5 or so comments down from me, the "WW2 History Buffs" appear and make this comment chain devolve faster than the city of Detroit.)(Edit 2: looks like OP caught them at it as well.)
Basically when your divorced parents actually agree on something because you keep doing something wrong.
Personally I think France makes the mom since, it was literally the reason the USA still exists to this day while Britain is the dad since he used to be EXACTLY what the USA is today.
Depends on the age. After the first world war, absolutely, but before as a Dutchman I have to say that whenever the French and the English gang up liberty suffers. Freaking empires.
Something to remember. The dialects in sweden Can be pretty strong. If you're from northern sweden and you're talking to somebody from southern sweden. It sounds like two different languages!
Uh anyone else here feel it in their chest when France asked “What happened to you America?”
That shit hurted
Honestly as a Swede. I am actually happy that someone even if its just you in your funny and silly meme videos actually bring up Gotland. Even if it wasn't by name. Unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle of the baltic. Anyways happy to be in Nato (Finally...)
Welcome aboard!!!
I mean what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander. Facebook... er um Meta... needs a good slapping too. But I'd rather we put in well enforced User Privacy regulations than arbitrarily choose a platform that might have problematic issue to data access. I mean Cambridge Analytica was a British company that mined and sold US user data to Russia.
Fucking THANK YOU. Finally someone gets it.
ehhhhh.. its not arbitrary. The growing mind of youth are the most susceptible to manipulation. Even predators in the wild just go for babies and kids because they know theyre the easiest to eat. Our evolved instincts cover the danger of predators getting access to children in the physical world, but it seems those evolved instincts are not capable of metaphorically porting those instincts to the virtual one. Theres a difference between a predator getting to constantly whisper in a childs ear to buy a product, and one that considers them an enemy that needs to be destroyed.
That platform is a weapon designed to mess up children over time. They wont let it in their own country. They have one thats totally different, thats named the same thing, that is designed to do the opposite.
Yeah well, I’ll take what I can get and this isn’t a “specific company” it’s any company that has controlling shares owned by a hostile governement (currently defined as Russia, Chana Iran and North Korea.)
@Ashbringer36 exactly. I'm all for it. They have the opportunity to get paid for it, or just lose access if they didn't want the money. Censorship would be outright shutting them down.
Nah it's fine, just force one company to become American owned or get banned! Instead of say, giving us back our right to privacy! Cuz China bad or something
In China there is no such thing as a private company, the closest equivalent is a company that the Chinese government does not yet have a use for. The US should not allow any entity subject to a law that requires them to hand over user data to a foreign government without due process, to preform any operations that collect user data, within US jurisdiction. Also the TikTok algorithm is a Chinese Psy op.
Ok troll 😂
And meanwhile…Telegram which is run out of Saudi Arabia, War Thunder and VKontakt which are run out of Russia, 4chan which is run out of Japan (and Ilbe which is run out of Korea) are definitely _NOT_ American are all running unfettered, and Congress passed a ban to take out _One_ chaotic neutral Chinese website 🙄🤦♂️
@@КириллМакаренко-с4у Found the chinese shill bot.
No country gets to sass about this. Every country the past couple years has gone super censorship heavy. Same places even banned *memes*.
Doesn't anybody remember Article 13? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
This isn't even censorship, congress isn't censoring anything.
Like uk arresting people for flying the English flag for example.
@@thecrowcookIt is, it's censoring an app controlled by a foreign state, that actively promotes division in America, promotes the ruling part of that state's goals, and supresses information that makes the foreign state look bad. So it is indeed censorship, but absolutely justified. China banned Facebook for far less.
Thank your left wing neighbors.
Prepare for a thousand years of technology enabled slavery, thanks to them.
The tok is a designed weapon aimed at the youth of other countries. They wont let it in their own. They use a different one.
I do think action is required. Hijacked action, is not required.
You'd think a service member would understand a bit more about the downsides of having a social media platform operated by a foreign adversary, but i guess HLC is a content creator first, disappointing.
@@TheAdmiralMoses yup...felt the same way when watching this. Too bad he's drank the creator kool aid I guess.
It's only gonna be banned if the Chinese don't sell their share of it. Pretty good deal if you ask me.
And we did the same thing with Grindr a few years back.
A lot of these countries have also banned Tik Tok for government use, not just the US
@@dougdahlberg3358New Zealand, Belgium, France, the UK, and the Eu commission itself have bans on Tik Tok being on federal devices, in addition to Canada, Australia, and India
What is being discussed in Congress is banning TikTok from the country entirely.
Because it's Chinese spyware.
@@zirconiumdiamond1416not if they just sell their assets to a U.S. company, then they can have their brain rot *without* Chinese influence
@@PrayingPanda and yet Telegram (Saudi spy ware) VKontakt and War Thunder (Russian spy ware) and 4chan (Japanese Trojan horse for spyware of hostile countries) are operating unfettered, but yes good job for taking out the Chinese spyware 🙄
With every knew NATO initiate, we are closer and closer to Super Earth and being Helldivers!
For Freedom, Liberty, and Managed Democracy!
@@sierramike0913 And Element 710
@@Hillwisekid Lore Q: Is it "Element" or is it "E-710" like how gas is "E-87", "E-88", etc?
@@sierramike0913710. Oil upside-down
@amliko8381 Thanks, thought it was that, but wasn't sure.
Scotland has no room to criticize with that awful anti-free speech bill the SNP just passed 😂
the brits and scots talking about taking away rights.... comedy gold from an dystopian island prison state
no kidding
They have more rights then the usa not by much but they still do
nope.
people go to prison for social media jokes poems and memes.
police will fine you for silently prayingand so much more crap.@@Tyekiller115
@Tyekiller115 you're living in a dream world neo.
@@Tyekiller115Prove it.
UK has no place criticizing US for censorship.
no kidding. And comparing the TikTok ban to a country that willingly starved and killed up to 45 MILLION people for said leader to stay in power isn't right.
It does, if only because they don't enshrine freedom of expression as one of their core values. You know, the first core value in their list of core values not critical to governmental function even.
Got to agree with you there
I disagree, just because I want to know what problems there are, no matter who mentions it. I ujderstand what you're saying, but I think the knowledge is more important.
on the flip side: If the UK thinks the US is going overboard on a topic like that, maybe it's time we take a step back and do some serious self examination.
It's not about censorship or "just an app with dances and lipsyncing." It the insanely shitty backdoor security risks so that every phone with the app open can have their face monitored, their fyp modified to stay oblivious or manipulated through propaganda, etc. Just look at how tribal partisan the nation has become in the last 5 to 15 years. The aisle isn't a walkway. It's a battle line.
It sucks for a lot of people. Really, it does... but it's not for censorship (although I'd be foolish to think that wasn't at least a factor in their decision).
That being said, good luck, HLC. Hope the tiktok crowd joins here soon so you can keep supporting yourself with this hilarious and informative content
Everybody who’s upset about the TikTok thing hasn’t read the bill
TikTok isn’t even at risk of being banned and they just have to sell it to an American company
Which 1: The parent company has already told Congress to get bent about that.
and 2: The Senates gonna look at this bill and personally Slap congress with it in total rejection
@@jameskarg3240 First off parent company’s big talk is going to disappear the moment they actually have to face the numbers
Second off you’re right about the senate, they are not going to do it which is why we have to vote them out
Elections are coming up make sure you vote
@@zekiah2 You would do well to sooner swallow glass. Senate Elections wont be in time to save the bill. And there eont be another attempt.
The 1st amendment gaurentees ALL freedom of Speech irregardless of its source. This point stands as an ABSOLUTE in our constitution, immovable for ALL time so long as the constitution exsists as a binding document to this Republic.
The Senate is bound to it, as are me and you and every American citizen irregardless how we may otherwise feel about such laws, where we live doesnt agree to fluid-law interpritation
"Taking away people's rights?" As a criticism from two countries who are already jailing people for mean tweets?
BIG facts right there
I'd watch Ryan Mcbeth's new video explaining why *he* believes tiktok is a problem.
@jahvonn ?
Getting lectured by countries where saying mean things can get you thrown in prison is comical.
depends. in germany denying the holocaust ever happen? yeah they are going to take that seriously and throw you in jail for your ignorance. freedom of speech for all, on top of freedom of consequence.
@@TazutoVtuberhurr durr "freedom of consequence", such convenient doublespeak.
@@TazutoVtuberyou have no idea what freedom even means, do you?
@@TazutoVtuberthen that not a freedom nor a right same with uk government wasting time arresting people over tweets.
@@bort6414 What? That no one is allowed to live in peace, because some asshat is going to scream nonsense at them with impunity?
Can you please read the bill that Congress is suggesting. In detail please
That would require all of 5-6mins and no one can be bothered. Why else do you think the US is in the state it is currently? The majority of the population will believe anything they are told rather than attempt to think or be rational so as a whole, we may as well actually be illiterate.
Its the News media fault, they focus one thing and that's it😑
That got serious at the end. It just Tik Tac Toe bro.
A winner! 🗣️💯
I enjoy this humor.
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Ay being subed is the reason I'm here bro
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LOL You and me both Brother.
Yes, sir!
Yeaaaah.... Canada isn't doing so great on this front either. Dictators gonna Dictate...
Wdym
@@Tyekiller115Canada is considering passing the Online Harms Act, which would allow judges to imprison people for life for speech crimes, including advocating genocide or "promoting hate". It also allows the Canadian government to put a person under house arrest if the government thinks it's likely someone may commit a crime in the future.
@@NRSGuardianI hope it doesn't include video game speech, in that case all the Stellaris players in Canada would be faced with genocide and war crimes.
@@NRSGuardianJesus Christ, Minority Report much?
Let's be real, no one is looking too hot rn, hell Italys current pm used to run the Mussolini Youth in college
Ryan mcberh does a great video on why tiktok needs to be dealt with. Its really interesting and he brings up points that is hars to disagree with.
0:52 That's rich coming from Scotland. Their government has become so authoritian it's not funny anymore.
What do you mean? They legalised kitchen knives for people under the age of 18!!!!!! SNP can suck a fart
1:00 That's rich coming from australia - their government's basically done the exact same thing a couple years ago
@@professormutant3252 McBride deserves some justice, god damn it.
@@SigmaEC1204 damn straight he does.
From what I've read, it's more about who can read the algorithmic data than actual control of what is posted, gets boosted, etc.
I live like 45 minutes away from Ft. Polk and I just saw a couple Swedish soldiers at my job. I guess they didn't waste time shipping dudes over to the JRTC.
to be fair TikTok was a chinese owned thing so i'm not too sad its going.
The problem is the law the way its written basically lets the US wave off any website by claiming its run by an adversary. Pandora's box. Also if they are that worried about China/Russia misinformation, then why aren't they on Elon's shit for all the Russian/Chinese bots on Twitter? Oh right he's a wealthy American billionaire that likely has a bunch of congress in his pocket due to campaign donations.
It's actually not going anywhere just trying to stop the CCP from owning it and using against everyone else.
Its also signal boosts issues the benefit the Chinese agenda, for example, for every one pro-Israel video, it might show 10 pro-Palestine videos. With the gullibility of our youth (and many adults) all it takes is a bit of propaganda waterboarding to convince the mentally deficient of anything.
Also there is proof that it's being used for mass CCP information gathering and propaganda warfare. They didn't go after it with bipartisan support for no reason
Reading that bill atm. Looks like all it's gonna do is prevent the use of TikTok by anybody working a job in the federal government.
When kids are calling congressman and talking about self deleting over an app its time for the app to go
Exactly!
Agreed, it's a brain rotting cancer
Yeah, that's facts. But do we really wanna give the Fed the legal tools to ban social media and any other form of communication they don't already have control over?
That’s what my classmates were doing
Or maybe not
Culls the sheep herd
I like how France is just a straight-up Arabic accent.
HLC's front door in 5...4...3...2...1...
*F.B.I. Open up!*😂😂😂
HLC's phone randomly get's oddly slower and laggier, and text boxes seem to not respond immediately.
No he's allowed to say a shit take for his selfish financial interests. But the Chinese spy/propaganda ware must go.
Bold of you to assume they’ll no knock on the right house. 😂
@@3seidelits the FBI, if they want to, THEY WILL FIND YO ASS
@@Shadowwolf-jg3ee and then mess up by getting your neighbour across the street, because google maps wasn't accurate enough.
I don't know. Tick tock does seem to be a text book example of 5th generational warfare.
EXACTLY! You'd think a service member would understand a bit more about the downsides of having a social media platform operated by a foreign adversary, but i guess HLC is a content creator first, disappointing.
He knows. He cares more about money than ethics.
I love this content. I really need HLC or another veteran familiar with radio etiquette to read some military chatter in my novel. I'm a professional author and I've published multiple books, and I did a lot of research and tried really hard to get the terms and language correct. Watching HLCs videos gives me the warm and fuzzies because it seems like I got things mostly right, but I've still yet to receive feedback from someone with actual military experience.
You’re making a novel?
Give the names
Oh, thank you. The first in the series is already put. It's titled "Beyond Conviction" by C.J. Watson. I have another series but that's not relevant to what we're talking about here.
First time I was this early, my GF was pissed.
Last time I was this early, mine got pregnant
And you never stopped being this early and she’s just leaned to deal with it 😂
wait i always thought it was a race to the finish?
For a second I thought the i was an a
@@maxxod1 him being early can cause her to be late 😂😂😂
We use to not allow foreign nations to have tv and radio stations. How is tiktok different? We already have issues with our homegrown social media platforms and censorship. What makes people think that the CCP doesn't control tiktok, and what gets pushed? Tiktok here and tiktok in china aren't even the same. That alone should be enough for people to realize that maybe there is an issue. Also, the bill is only 13 lages long. I recommend people actually read it.
I'm just surprised Congress finally made a bill that wouldn't make my printer demand more paper. If we can't get term limits, can we get page limits? Get the eco activists involved and limit how many things can be shoved into a single bill 'for the trees'?
13 pages long is actually pretty long if it’s filled with tiny ass typing and vague sentences. Not to mention the attention span problems that are popping up just about everywhere. I’ve been told that my Silver book is to long for anyone to actually read. The book is only 313 pages which is pretty damn short for a normal novel
@Argento_Wolf 13 pages for anything going through the Senate or congress is actually really short, seeing how they like to make things thousands of pages.
@@joak9992 100% agree. I hate that they can add unrelated things into bills. Like when democrats were saying that Republicans stopped the border bill they had, it was because of the other crap they threw in.
A massive swath of the US's news networks are owned by a rich Aussie bastard, but I don't see any bills popping up to sort that...
Someone needs to go buy vines and make it the new American tictoc
For real Bro, I'm so fed up with fb, ig and tt. And Scotland saying something about censorship that so funny bc, the "UK firewall" make it extremely, for ppl to talk to each on any social media platforms from USA to UK. I had better comunication with ppl in China then I do with ppl in the UK, especially Scotland. The British block a lot of Scotland's interwebs.
The problem isn't banning tiktok, the problem is the extremely vague words in the bill that could he used to ban anything else. Please hold your representatives accountable, as the founding fathers intended.
No the actual problem is you're listening to BS and you're not reading the actual bill itself. It is specific to tiktok and bite dance Tick Tock is the one putting out the BS, take some time read the actual bill
@@WyomingchiefWhy Don't You Link Us Then Chief. Given Wyoming People Aren't Known For Their Strong Reading Skills. 😂😂
@@WyomingchiefYou indignant anger about reading the bill is reassuring.
@@WyomingchiefThe bill literally gives the President the ability to say that a website is indirectly controlled by growing adversary and ban it.
@@justinalford188 Where are you from that every word in a sentence gets capitalized?
People don't quite understand just how bad TikTok can be. Use AI to identify service members and their rank and maybe even MOS through their videos and comments. Use the app to keep track of the phone's location. Now you have an idea of what troops are moving where and when. It's not JUST the ability to push a particular message to vulnerable demographics in order to affect things like elections and public perceptions. It's an amazing tool for war.
There is a simple solution. Require companies to tell individual users when their data has been sold, to whom it was sold, and what was included. Also, this requirement shouldn’t go away just because that data is anonymized. This includes not just social media and website operators but also subsequent resellers of that data.
Or... stay with me here. Or, not allow companies to share or sell data.
and make it illegal to sell to governments. Or give it to governments without charge, either.
this isn't about about "selling data". the intelligence community gave several important examples of how the prc uses the app in very different ways than that. the debate on the hill never brought up "selling data". it's the connection to prc government and their laws that are at issue. if tik tok divests from China it'll be legal in the states and can still profit from selling data
@@ianbarrow4087 I'm not at all opposed to requiring China to divest itself here. Yes, TikTok other outfits owned by China are special cases. They do way more than just track users. They are using TikTok to drive campaigns influencing people. Maybe the US should have the same policy China has. There are NO American companies operating in China. John Deere makes and sells tractors in China. But it's "John Deere China" or something. Or it's a partnership with a Chinese company that owns 51% of the partnership.
@@ianbarrow4087The fact that the bill was passed almost unanimously after a classified briefing on the app by our intelligence community Give me all the red flags I need
Perfect imitation of a swedish accent. All of them. BUT, I think you should start using a Roman Empire accent for America.
Roman empire is just fancy Italian
@@A1DollarTaco BRICCUS DICCUS. The latin is a bit different.
@@tooth8551 that's a spell in Harry Potter
@@A1DollarTaco 😂❤️
“It is a special milit-
I just remembered I don’t give a shit, lose another a50,” had me dying 😂
Troll 😂😂
As someone who studied how these applications modify behavior, banning tiktok is rational.
Oh no, not the spyware that makes 9 year olds have the attention span of a goldfish. What a tragedy
Technically it’s less than a goldfish, since some breeds of goldfish have been recorded to pay attention to things up to a few hours.
The irony of this on a short form video obviously noting it all of these are made for TikTok and are uploaded on both.
while also promoting physically harmful "challenges" and making said 9 year olds so addicted to it they threaten suicide if its given even the mildest of restrictions
Difference is where the information is going and how the information is being used.
@@robert-joshuamcfaddin7041 So it's OK when the data is harvested on behalf of Meta, then?
TikTok has actually demonstrated its ability to influence our political and social spectrum. There’s a guy who demonstrated how easy it is to make a pro-Palestine protest which in theory would lock down all of the dc area, coupled with the fact that bytedance has misinformed its users to keep itself relevant
Yeah... the UK does not have a leg to stand here
I mean, you're not wrong, but at least they don't scream on and on about "free speech for everyone' then enact censorship on flimsy National Security arguments. They up-front say that 'Your free speech is dependant on your social contract with the government'. Dickish, sure, but at least honest about being dicks.
As someone who depends on and appreciates your content, please diversify your platforms, none of them can be trusted at this point not to change tos and ban hundreds or thousands of accounts. Bitchute takes a lot of grief, but they don't seem to be as ban-happy as most, would make a nice place to archive everything.
Omg I fucking lost it when China said "Im proud of you America~" 🤣
I for one wholeheartedly agree with the TikTok ban; free speech is one thing, but TikTok is specifically designed and being used by the Chinese government to keep American childrens' attention spans short and IQs low; at the cost of a niche creator-base that can easily move to a different platform like TH-cam or Instagram, I feel this is no great loss. Social media is a detriment to our society, especially when weaponized as TikTok is.
This is not exactly what they're worried about though. They're worried about it being vector for breaching sensitive or air-gapped networks. All Chinese companies are bound by law to allow their government access to products and services as a means for espionage. Stuxnet was already a proof of concept the US/Israel allegedly used to get in the proximity of someone that would end up in proximity of the real target. Some kid with an important parent gets some vulnerability exploited on one of their devices as a by product of sharing a network with their kid's phone running TikTok.
Ok troll 😂
@@КириллМакаренко-с4у says the Russian bot
@@chaospatriot76 keep trolling western trollbot i am not a bot tbh 😂😂
The first amendment is about the actual speech done by Americans, specifically of a political nature, and the actions taken to further that speech. TikTok, is a specific, not an act of free speech itself, and there is nothing preventing you from using other social media platforms instead, so no one's speech is actually being impacted. It's more akin to the government shutting down a random park which is sometimes used by some people to talk about politics. They can just go to another park, they aren't being targeted or discriminated against.
It is commonly accepted by legal professionals that banning TikTok has absolutely nothing to do with the First Amendment. Fucking get over it
I agree with you, no First Amendment is being violated as they can go to another app.
A concern I have however it's what's stopping the government from blocking other apps that they deem to be a threat to national security
@@STONKS_MemeManThey would only ban foreign owned apps and if you have an issue with that then go live in said foreign countries because we don’t want you
@@STONKS_MemeManNothing in particular, hopefully. The legality of an action or a law can be decided based on intent. If the government is clearly trying to ban an app as an act of suppressing speech, this can be determined through the judicial system.
Like how buying a hammer isn't illegal, but it can be used against you in a court of law to prove the murder you committed with it an hour later was premeditated.
It's really not that big a deal, and it's mostly just panicking by people whose understanding of law is limited to hollywood depictions. There are rules about how laws must be interpreted, and the rules around the First Amendment predispose findings _against_ the government.
@@Jay2JayGaming Oh ok. Cool.
Came here from FB, didnt know you had a channel here, love your videos, please keep em coming
This, THIS RIGHT HERE! THIS is why I got rid of all my social media platforms. Don't need to censure me, I did it for you
You are literally on social media right now, dip shit.
*proceeds to use TH-cam*
Our speech is still free. Banning tiktok doesn't make any speech illegal. Even media platforms need to follow laws.
Ok troll 😂
China sock.
@@КириллМакаренко-с4у lol you're mad
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The way he says like the great China is hilarious
We're going to surgically remove this threat posed by a single Chines application. Find your sharpest scalpels.
Congress: Best I can do is this fully functional Warhammer 40k chainsword.
To be fair a 40k chainsword can make surprisingly clean cuts considering what it is.
@@joak9992 I shall now imagine Congress as secretly Ciaphas Caine and that's oddly reassuring.
Glad to have started on youtube watching this amazing content you put out.
The "tiktok ban" wouldn't be so bad if they legislation wasn't open ended to allow blanket bans of *domestic owned* websites for "national security reasons" that are not explicitly defined. If they were going to do it, the bill really should have read "Tiktok will be banned in the United States due to it's ownership and weaponization by the CCP unless Bytedance fully divests from the company and sells it to an American company" without all the vague language turning the bill into a "patriot" act for the internet.
Sounds to me like the video should have been about that.
@@damoclesecoe7184 yeah...but HLC is now full blown creator...so he stands to lose, which alters his stance, and we get the video we got.
@@nadjasunflower1387 I suppose that's my fault for hoping for idealism instead of pragmatism. Ultimately I don't have a horse in this race since I have zero social media, unless you count this, in which case I have exactly one.
@@damoclesecoe7184 I'm the same. no TT's, IG, or whatever else is out there. haven't been on FB in 7 or so years. YT is about it for me.
Just stating the obvious. one of the constant arguements I've seen is. But mah followers, and mah money...blah blah. HLC it seems has deffinately crossed over into that realm because of how well he's grown. who cares about an aggressor government having all of your personal data, as long as the likes keep coming. lol
Honestly losing TikTok wouldn't bother me, I understand that content creators who make their living on TikTok would be feel quite a lot of fiancial but as regular millennial who has never even once used TikTok, it wouldn't break my heart. For every Habitual Linecrosser, there's a 1000 dead beat wanna-be influencers who contribute nothing In the grand scheme of things, at least Habitual and The Fat Electrian actually do content that's fun to watch and educational.
They passed this in 4 days. Shows they can do something about school shootings, but actively choose not to.
Welcome, Sweden. Also let's ban the Chinese spyware app.
We need to do more than just banning a spyware app; the points made in this video are valid. There's a LOT of companies selling our information to China, or worse, letting China influence our culture that need the boot to come crush down hard on.
Fuckin temu is worse than tik tok and not only that youtube Facebook Twitter all american company's spy on you you ban tik tok you have to ban them all
Troll 😂😂
It’s mostly about the Chinese back door in the coding, courtesy of the Chinese parent company, but yeah. And it was given time to fix it and break away. But, you know… still a rights infringement.
He can't hear you over lost revenue.
What about all the NSA back doors in everything, or the NSA rerouting Cisco shipments to Langley to install surveillance devices in network equipment domestically and foreign?
@@DigitalMoonlightCCP < NSA
@@DigitalMoonlightJust because you can't trust one, doesn't mean the other is trustworthy either. "What about" does nothing for the topic. You are allowed to distrust both. It's okay.
@@DigitalMoonlight Nobody is saying the US is a good guy in the narrative, but it is certainly the less bad guy... the one you kind of like in the story but still is pretty ruthless if people fu** around. You know you love that architype. But this guy keeps the worst ones from taking over. NSA backdoor vs CCP backdoor... both are bad... but one is a republic the other a dictatorship. One has some accountability the other.. well take a guess.
China: “soon you will be arresting political opposition”
*Trump found guilty on over 30 felony charges*
China: *smiles* “See,”
I don’t think you understand how dangerous the app is.
The rest of the world lecturing us on the perils of censorship is multiple levels of irony.
Again. He's got a vested financial interest.
"MySpace was on its way out."
On its way? PFFFFFFT!
When Trump wanted to do it, they all complained, Biden wants to do it, they cheer.
As with Trump's 2020 executive orders banning Tik Tok, the bill, if it becomes law, may also be struck down in a civil rights court case soon after. Although, Democratic opposition in the Senate may sink the bill, as currently more Republican legislators are in favor than Democrats.
Trump is a Russian puppet
It’s smart, all trump has to do is like everything he wants gone and it’ll be gone
@miceltusav88 bruh I was begging trump and the Rino's to do this. Guess the kleptos realized they can't keep collecting if the country implodes before they die.
All the cyber security guys all agree the semiban isnt censorship as that would imply there is nowhere else the people on that app could go when there are plenty of other options
Swede here - I'm actually glad your swedish accent isn't perfect because I die inside whenever I hear one of my countrymen speaking english. Sweden's accent in this video was just the right amount of "Yeah, yeah, I can sort of hear it" without crossing over into the uncanny valley. So good job! And thanks for welcoming us into NATO. I'd have personally seen that we remained the uncontested world champion in neutrality, but fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, Russia.
The ban isn't about national security. It is a political move to make it look like Congress is doing something at the expense of the people's rights.
1. More than TikTok, the biggest threats to our democracy have been Superpacs. Here in California, we had an Israeli-led superpac that poured millions into a congressional race during the primary race. Russian and China can and has done the same through agents posing as private citizens joining superpacs.
2. Over the past decades, there has been less and less funding (purchasing power wise) being given to libraries, after-school programs, elective classes in secondary schools, youth mental care, etc. However, addressing these subjects requires actual governing, so Congress doesn't wanna do that.
3. There has also been a growing gap between laws regarding citizens' privacy and advancements in technology (not just social media), but again, Congress dread doing that because it means messing with their Superpac overlords who profits from them.
Make a TLDR version of that and the “TIKTOKKERS” Will read it
Warm Nato welcome
No way. Show up 7 decades late to the party, back-pay is expected.
The "warm Nato wlecome" should be reserved only for those who have consistently given their 2%, and that is a PITIFULLY short list...
@@andreweiseman7140 well sweden had already military techs ties with NATO members. Now Is just "more" official
@@_d--that's all well and good.
What I don't appreciate so much is their 40-year spree of professed 'nuetrality' that allowed them to get cozy with the Soviets, Viet-Kong, and even North Korea while the rest of the world knew better.
The Soviets back then were WAY more brutal and warhungry back then than today's Russian Federation; and yet, the Swedes were VERY open and public about playing both sides - how they weren't afraid of war with Russia (even though part of their nextdoor neighbor Finland had been invaded, occupied and annexed for a while) and didn't need the protection of NATO. Some would call that dumb, at at least their commitment was respectable....
And now....after enjoying the side-effects of their neighbor's Nato protections without paying a penny after ALL THESE YEARS....a war breaks out in a land much further away from them that Finland.....and NOW, they're suddenly scared of Russia and wanna hide behind Nato?????
Disgraceful, in my opinion.
@@andreweiseman7140 Hmmm... 40 years of neutrality?? It was 200+ years of neutrality. And our last war was with guess who? Russia! Sweden has been govern by lefties for the majority of the years after WW2. And we have had close ties to NATO since NATO was set up. The reason we didnt joined earlier is that the lefties dont wants nukes on swedish territory and the fact that lefties are exactly that. But we have NEVER been friend with the Sovietunion or later Russia. It is the total opposite. There has been very close to open war between sweden and soviet/russia numerous times since after WW2. So get your fact right before you comes with your b-s.
And the reason we applied to NATO was two: 1: Finland wanted to join WITH sweden since we have had pretty much a "2 countries 1 defence" agreement for years. 2: Russia was making threats to both Sweden and Finland every week for a long time, cuz both countries has been working deeply with NATO the last 30 years or so, participating in eachothers exercises for example.
And as a sidenote, since the war in Ukraine started, Sweden has been protecting NATO's eastern front in Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania by flying with our surveillence aircrafts on a nearly daily basis.