Here Are 3 Things Every Long Range Electric Car Needs To Have!
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13:57 I live on Spain and I own a Model 3, THE CAR WILL PREHEAT THE BATTERY for third party DC chargers (like Ionity). It was an update the car got 4 months ago!
1: Good navigation with useful charging route planning
2: Battery pre-conditioning
3: ISO 15118 Plug and Charge, vehicle to grid communication interface
Thanks. This was some long drawn out fluff. TH-cam chapters would have been useful.
You missed the last point :P
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@@chadwickwood9843 Out of Spec, while I like the overall content has become extremely verbose, releasing extraordinarily long videos of just talking and repeating the same points over and over again.
@@HydraliskX Ya, this dude loves the sound of his own voice and has no ability to edit. Overall, nice content, but, most of their videos could be 50% as long and still cover all relevant points.
Thanks - saved me 20 mins…. 😀
Tesla newest software 2022.8.3 now includes weather, elevation, wind, etc into there factoring. Just furthering the gap between the market in terms of navigating from A/B chargers and making the best decision.
One of the best videos from you ever (shorter, to the point and no extreme emotional outbursts). I would also rank it as one of the best videos for auto manufacturers to watch from any TH-cam source. Great insight and very well done.
Great feedback for future videos 😉.
"extreme emotional outbursts" ?? I've been watching the channel for awhile, and I really haven't seen any emotional outbursts. Am I missing something?
Is this what an underhanded compliment is?
About number 1: the easy work around since about 4 months is to use ABRP with a obd-II dongle, with either CarPlay or android auto.
The one thing I wish Google route planning on my Volvo would do is show a negative battery percentage for a far-off destination instead of just "0%". Would be really helpful for figuring out how long to charge.
I bought an Ioniq 5 a month ago and it's been a great car, but they really dropped the ball with the fact that it has no battery preconditioning seeing how they advertise 10 to 80% charge in 18 mins
The Ioniq 5 I testdrove could not route you to chargers for longer road trips (wanted me to charge right away, even with 80% state of charge. 100% would not have gotten me to my destination either...), did not choose the a convenient charger for me. So Ioniq 5 had 0/3 out of these.
One of the many reasons why I went for another car.
@@fredrikfjeld1575 you could use a better route planner to map out your drive to charging stations
In Europe they have preconditioning and a heatpump
@@ronbally2312 if they have preconditioning in Europe, then it was added the last week.
From what owners talk about, it is still suppose to be added with an update (not over the air), but they do not know when
@@fredrikfjeld1575 I’m pretty sure preconditioning is not yet delivered in Europe. Just announcements that it will come.
Teslas does in fact precondition for 3rd party fast chargers in Europe. Just verified it now.
Correct, they actually do. In Finland for example the majority of Virta chargers are included in the pre-conditioning
🇺🇸 1 thing All long range Bev needs to have: A PRIUS OR ICE!
Great. 👍 Is the charger map complete and frequently updated or is it just the ones you’ve used before? I guess Tesla still won’t differentiate between 50 kW and 150 kW+ nor have real-time information about the stations? If not, I’m sure they’ll fix this, even if they they don’t really have to. 🙂
Next step for Tesla in my opinion is to move to the ISO standard for Plug & Charge in Europe- and make the cables longer. It was a huge mistake by the company not to move to CCS in the US with the introduction of the Model 3.. 🧐 I don’t know how they’ll get out of that now.
I love you... You are my EV guru.. I have an ID4 on order and trying to learn all I can... I love the detail you give on things. You have a great personality for this. You just talk like I'm in the car with you and your knowledge and understanding is without equal. You mention every detail which let's the viewer see how it works in their imagination while you talk. You paint great pictures Thanks for all these videos.
What a mistake.
Hey I have a ID.4 first edition that I bought in June. I've been loving it since then. I also used Kyle as a source of in depth information when I was deciding what to buy. I also did test drives in a Model Y and an ID.4 before making my final decision.
@@chadwickwood9843 why is that?
So many better real EVs that weren't done lazily and are a much better value.
@@nathanc.4862 Kind of conjecture there.. At its price point , I think its pretty good and I'm getting the improved 2022 model.. please expound on what VW was lazy about and whats a better value? why is it not a REAL EV?
15:00 I've actually cooled on Plug & Charge functionality since it was first announced. Initially, I was totally onboard, but after having to do some ICE driving recently and remembering how well Recargo had implemented their payment system (swipe your credit card and plug in), I really think that Plug & Charge is a functionality that's being pushed on EV owners. Is it more convenient? Yes, it can be; however, people forget that Plug & Charge is only possible if you register your credit card with a network or automaker.
Some people aren't comfortable with that (especially people who do not frequently travel and use public chargers), and so the alternative would need to be, swipe a credit card at the POS and plug in. For a majority of EV owners in the future, that will be the preferred method. No need to have a standing account with a half dozen companies that have your credit card. No worrying if your credit card billing information expired. Just swipe your card, plug in, and start charging at the standard rate.
I also think that your car having your credit card details add a layer of hassle if you ever use someone else's car. If you borrow someone else's ICE car you pay for your own fuel, if someone steals your car they can run it out of fuel and then dump it but they can't run up a credit card bill that you also have to dispute with your bank, and a rental car company doesn't want to be out of pocket for your fuel until you return the car.
@@ElizabethJones-pv3sj Absolutely. I think the big hang up to paying at the charger right now is that providers have different rates based on membership and payment types. There's no reason Electrify America should charge a customer 20% to 25% more simply because they are paying by credit card.
I think the whole reason Plug and Charge took off in popularity is because Tesla was the first to offer it, and their customers are the most likely to be frequent long distance travelers who typically only use one network. So there's real value in Plug and Charge for that Tesla-owner audience.
However, it's easy to forget that DC charging will be rare for most drivers. And most non-Tesla EV owners will typically use at least two or three different charging providers when they do travel. Who would want their credit card tied to a service that they maybe use once or twice a year?
Agree with your comments 100%! Battery preconditioning and more sophisticated/ integrated route planning really will be a big market differentiator for OEMs. Personally, making a heat pump an available option is important to me as well. Thanks for your content, you help educate a lot us new to the EV market.
They need to just follow tesla imo as every tesla sold since late 2020 has a heat pump as standard, every tesla has pre conditioning for dcfc standard, every tesla since late 2012 also has plug n charge standard. And teslas on a v3 have been able to get 170-200 miles back in 15-20mins since late 2019 now. Come on other ev makers get with the time's. Let's see real peer competitors to tesla. 👍🏻
This is awesome. Love your ideas, insights, and actually, enjoy the rambling as well. I enjoy your stories.
I'd love to see one on "advice for carmakers to make it easier for non-techys" because so many family members that can afford EVs don't want to get one because they don't really get "MPGe" and "inverters" and "DC Fast Charger" and "Stage 2 chargers" etc.
None of that matters. The car shows your estimated range. Fast Chargers charge quickly. The destination charge slow. What else do you need to know? People don't really look at MPG on their gas cars either. They know approximately how far they can drive and they know how many days they can drive between refills on their normal driving.
@@ymcpa73 everything I said matters because it gets talked about in reviews and articles about the vehicle in which many people use to shop for a vehicle that they aren’t used to because they only know ICE. So finding ways to translate that to the group of people thag want to dip their toes in but haven’t because of the terminology that can be confusing for them does create an issue. I still have a lot of family members that but V8s because they want “power” to pass even though 4s and 6s can be plenty. And so when they start to look at EV for details to comfort them that they can make the jump, they end up confused - one family member is specifically holding off from buying because she doesn’t understand home chargers and what’s exactly required for installing. 40ish, 50amp, 60amp, and then this car only charges at X amount and that means this means that many miles per KW but what is a Kw exactly. Oh and that doesn’t translate car to car. Etc etc etc,
@@ymcpa73 this isn’t going to be much different than a lot of us having to try and help a family member buy a laptop when they say they want one but don’t understand it. So you give them a few options but then their friend told them to get a Mac and that opens up different options and the confusion that comes from all of that - except this is a huge 60k purchase or so. This is gonna happen with all these promises of fast charging but then your family member goes to see someone a state over and that 18 minutes to 80% doesn’t work out because the chargers isn’t rated for 400 so then they call you cause they took it in and said it was broken but the service guy said it wasn’t and started throwing a bunch of electric talk at them about KW this and Amperage that
Agreed.
Though personally, only #2 is vitally important.
ABRP does route planning on Android Auto (and CarPlay) perfectly well, and paying with RFID tag - commonplace where I am at - is smooth enough for me. But I guess one needs to be a bit of a "nerd" to be comfortable with these workarounds, and hence still agree that having these better integrated would be very good for general public.
Sorry, you’re wrong here: In Europe Teslas are preconditioning for third party chargers. This works very well and this feature is available for more than 2 years…
Indeed, but one must NAVIGATE to a third-party fast charger, i.e. a charger which the Tesla Navigation will accept as a fast charger. If you just put a destination pin by that fast charger no preconditioning will happen. So preconditioning on the way to third party fast chargers is indeed already implemented in European Tesla navigation, but not always 100% dependably yet.
@@meroller1 Correct - you must choose one out of Teslas Charging Menu. At least in Germany you‘ll find there Ionity, EnBW, Fastned, Allego, EWE etc…
10:44 I like having manual battery conditioning controls. Route integration is fine, but I would like to be able to just narrow the temperature parameters myself.
Interested in anything you choose to share. I learn so much from the Out of Spec family of channels, thank you!
Enjoy all of your videos! Very informative! Thank you.
This was so helpful and informative! Thank you!
Great video Kyle!
0:26 3 things all EVs need to improve DC Charging experience.
1:20 Porsche has these things. 2:32
3:12 route planning to charging stations.
4:10 car needs to help the driver on trips.
4:50 you can take these cars anywhere now
16:06 so many examples of bad UI/process design...
18:40 why carplay is a bug, not a feature...
20:15 predicted arrival is really useful because it allows the driver to decide what level of risk they're willing to accept and leave earlier. Particularly important if you're well into the taper curve and charging very slowly
Great video Kyle, good length and quality content.
Thanks for all the knowledge you always bring to the channel big fan
Great video! Looking forward to more like this, short and informative.
A very nice, informative video, well done!
Great video Kyle. Especially liked the info about the route planning and the battery pre-conditioning. An idea for a future video like this would be something along the lines of mobile apps that help with route planning for EVs and your recommendations if any along with answers such as do any of them allow you to enter your vehicle make/model etc. for more accurate info.
I'm not saying you work for ABRP, I'm just imagining a comment like this would be a subtle nudge to get that product on the channel. By the way, it is a good idea.
Thumbs up! Great, well thought out, info.
Very informative. All the things I need to consider when I get an EV. Thanks
Hi, great video; very informative. I've had my eye on the upcoming Fisker Ocean; any idea on how it stacks up next to the 3 requirements you mentioned?
Great chat video. Very informative
Sometimes battery preconditioning is a bad idea.
I was on a XC ski trip, 5F, winter tires, and a roof box on top of my Model Y. Nearest supercharger was 90 miles away, and in the wrong direction.
It used so much power warming the battery for pre conditioning that I was forced to stop at 2 level 2 chargers, waiting forever.
I finally figured out what was going on, set the navigation to the town, not the supercharger, it stopped heating the battery, and we made it.
I've found that at EA its easier to just plug in, and then use the NFC on my iPhone to start the charge. I've tried the Kyle method and found the NFC seems to be easier. Of course Plug and Charge would better.
I'm still trying to figure it out after 5000 miles of EA trips. Currently I start the charger on my android app, then plug in.
@@peterjorgensen3 If you add the EA card to your wallet it's pretty easy to just touch the NFC reader. I found then you don't have to deal with the app which isn't the best.
@@ericroe Interesting. I should do that.
Absolutely right. I’ve found that as well. It really should be easier though.
Plug and charge is why if my parents ask about electric cars, I'm forced to say Tesla is best for them. Even though I want better competition.
I agree, you don't have to have other websites or plan anything
Great video, so pleasant to watch- and listen to. 🤩 You manage to make the content both easy to follow for EV novices while at the same time keeping it interesting for the total nerds. 🤓 No wonder you’re channel(s) are growing! 🥇
PS! The NIO ES8 has a “precondition now” button. You can test both that, and the battery swap if you come to Norway this summer.
Excellent points! Getting all the points you mentioned improved in the future, would definitely attract more future #EV drivers! Thank you for sharing! ⚡🔌🚘
This was great Kyle. I will be getting an ID4 in the next few months.
Why?
I can and do use CarPlay Navigation and the in car navigation at the same time in my Ioniq 5. It works great because I can have the charger address on my in car navigation and see it on my HUD while I can be tracking and overall trip on the CarPlay Navigation. Also I can reverse it and be tracking the trip on the in car navigation and be using the A Better Route Planner navigation to drive to the charger.
Great video! Perhaps these features would be a valuable addition to the InsideEVs comparison charts.
Loved this information video, stuff I didn't know. I would like a chart/list revealing which cars do step 1, step 2 or step 3, or do all 3 steps. Some pretty potent information in this video, thank you, thumbs up 👍
Great video again. My Tesla let's me know where my next charging station will be and what battery % I will have upon arrival at which time I know that if I am in a hurry to charge 5 minutes extra so I can increase my travel speed or leave if I am not in a hurry
Thank you definitely loved the video
Mach-E does the Plug & Charge thing really well with Electrify America and the route planning is terrific with the integrated charging stops (including adding waypoints).
The Tesla nav shows most of the EVgos that have the integrated CHAdeMO adapter - when one has the "two lightning bolt" filter, which also shows urban Superchargers, enabled. When navigating to one of these EVgos, it does turn on preconditioning - at least for the ones I've tried here on the west coast. There are a few of these EVgos w/integrated adapter in the Denver area too - so might be fun for you to test. But as you say, preconditioning may be counterproductive due to the limited power available through the CHAdeMO adapter unless the battery is really cold.
These are excellent points.
Good overall advice especially on the electrify America chargers
Just did our first road trip and only had one fast charge for Tesla that was great going because there were just a few cars there. Going back home we did a slow charge to get a little juice before heading back to fast charge. We had 2 additional people with us and a terrible head wind that was making our charge go down twice as fast! Needless to say, we were nervous to get to fast charge but ended up making it ok. I wish they would put on more charging banks, even if slow ones.
So basically, (1) Route "fast charging" availability. (2) Battery "fast charging" conditioning. Learnt a lot on this topic. (3) Charger availability & ease of payment. (4) Another first, connectivity features that may disable battery conditioning.
My questions on long range and how do the following impact on range distance:
What is long range distance?
Distance relative to battery size & type?
How are the batteries cooled or heated depending on weather when driving or charging?
How accurately does the AI calculate remaining driving range or state of charge?
Weather conditions across the route? Wind, cold, heat.
Number and size of the motors? 1, 2, 3/4. Same size. All wheel or 4 wheel.
Rim/tire size, type, thread pattern, location drivability weather conditions? Eg Alaska, Colorado, Boston, Florida, Calgary.
Number of car occupants?
Weight in car and if towing?
Number of driving mode choices?
Vehicle size, shape and drag coefficient?
Auxiliary features or controls- brake regeneration, roof/side/frunk solar panels.
I have a model3 and feels routing can be crazy. I drive from LI to upstate NY via NJ. It always wants me to stop at the Paramus superchargers at the feels dealer. Its always full. Rather than wait I go to another supercharger which is off the highway about 5 miles away which is mostly empty. 15 minutes out of the way but I don't have to wait for a stall at a full station.
Nice video. Would it be a good idea to do a 40mile to 0 test using regen brake only and compare the different ev’s. I have a model y LR and my friend a model y SR. My car stops on a downhill slope but my friend RWD model y has to press the brakes to stop. I would like to see how quickly other ev’s stop on regen only. Thanks again for your great videos.
The preheating for 3rd party in Europe works, but you have to look up the charger with the lightning button on the screen. If you then click and navigate to the charger it will pre-heat. Just searching for a fastcharger in the searchbar and selecting the charger this way won’t pre heat the battery. Somehow the car doesn’t know it is a fast charger when you search this way.
Kyle, you should add "the car must be efficient" I charted a typical trip for me from Phoenix to LA.. in the Model Y long range.. it takes 26 minutes of charging to get there at 321wh/mi(even faster in the long range 3) the Porsche Taycan Turismo would take 42 minutes of charging 448wh/mi. . the GMC hummer would take over an hour of charging.678wh/mi!!! (not including the time to get the charger started) I agree pre conditioning is important, plug and charge is very important because there is zero time wasted at a tesla charger, just plug and charge and go. but you need to add... the car should be efficient. The VW id4 on that same trip 58 minutes of charging. 346wh/mi. The Rivian looks awesome but the 135 kwh version gets 494 wh/mi so it will take more charging time as well.
I agree whole heartedly on the last point, I hate dealing with the app.
Ford mach e doesn't disable built in navigation when I plug Android auto.
I enjoyed this driver-side chat
Nice video. ISO standard charging protocol! Who knew? I guess we know now. Thanks!
Great topic and most relevant to today’s EV buyers. Is it possible to have a list of EVs that meet these criteria. Most of the manufacturers don’t state in a language the consumers might understand. Thanks!
It would be a short list with Tesla at the top post with Porsche second!
Meaningfully useful.
I am a range anxious new ID.4 owner. The last leg of a mid-winter trip from Fort Collins to Minneapolis was a white knuckle one. After that, I did a bit of algebra to work out what average M/KwH is needed to get from A to B with a specified starting and arriving SOC. That way, with the M/KwH showing on the infotainment screen, I could regulate the speed to maintain that M/KwH. Since then, I haven't had the same kind of white knuckle legs. But I wonder if it would be good if the car would do all this for you. Just put in your destination, and the required arrival SOC, and it could set the cruise control for the required M/KwH, capped, of course, by a max speed, or the usual plus or minus speed limit. Just a thought.
Very good info! Phone apps can be PITA. Thanks!
I don't drive out of my state as much as you guys that review cars but i live in California (L.A.) and as far as plug and charge goes, what you're asking for is pretty much the standard here, at least with Chargepoint chargers which is pretty much 95% of the chargers i encounter here. I can plug in anywhere without having to take out any credit cards or open any apps...i assumed that's how it was with all chargers, i guess not...
with Chargepoint they allocate whatever amount i designate from my credit card and once I'm done charging it uses it up. Once that amount is used up it pulls the designated amount from my credit card to have ready for my next charging session, if needed....
maybe other companies should implement the Chargepoint way of "plug and charge".
very informative, especially about the preconditioning, I too like the push button preconditioning - how hard would that be for EV OEM to build in?
As a 2022 Taycan 4 CT owner since Nov 2021, your impression of the charging planner is much more positive than my experience has shown. I have done several long trips and have ever time had to intervene to provide charging information to supplement the charging planner. I have even sat with a Porsche SA to plan a route, and they agree that the charging planner is not ready for prime time. Perhaps it works better where you are located??
Interesting! Thanks for sharing. I drive a 2015 S85D and it exceeds all 3 of Kyle’s essentials. I totally agree with his comments.
I agree with what you said for majority of the EVs today. However, if an EV can have a range exceeding or close to the miles a person can reasonably drive safely for one day, say, 400-500 miles, these considerations for public charging quickly becomes secondary considerations. Instead, finding a hotel accommodating overnight charging becomes mandatory for multi-day road trips. Very few EVs are close to this range today but I expect more will be as tech advances.
IIRC, Tesla DOES pre heat the battery when you navigate to a CCS charger in Europe.
great video. Outside of the US I’d say Tesla are a little weaker because they only focus on their SCs. They have the ability to utilise other CCS fast chargers but they don’t. So still very good routing, but could be even better
also be good to have how many are waiting to charge at the charger
Great video.
Suprised you didnt do this video in a Model 3/Y :) Could showcase how a good UI should look like.
Terrific video and info!
Your title says LR EVs, though you repeatedly say “all EVs” which I think is more accurate. I have a 2021 Model 3SR+, and thought the info applied to my EV as well. (Most recent long road trip: Sacramento to Portland OR, ~600 miles each way, 3-day trip - one day up, one day visit, one day back.)
What are your thoughts on third party apps, like A Better Route Planner? As far as I know, it does not precondition the battery pack, but it can navigate to a variety of charging networks (even non-network, like destination chargers), and it tells me SOC on arrival, how long I’ll be there, and SOC to pull out and head down the road. So, two out of your three points.
I’ve got a three week road trip planned, from CA-KY, in a few weeks in my SR+. One week to drive out, one week to visit Louisville, one week drive back (I’ll be driving through Fort Collins coming back!). I’ll be using the onboard Navigation system, and ABRP as a backup. Really looking forward to it. Your road trip videos have been inspiring! Keep them coming! (You’re like America’s version of Bjorn!)
I have used ABRP in my ID.4 using Apple Carplay. It comes close to mimicking the Tesla onboard navigation with charging because of its features.
America's Bjorn? Well I guess maybe but he would have to eat more in the car unless Starbucks runs count.
@@RonRattie True!
i want route planning based around KW and amenities. 20 to 50 min if charging at a park where the kids can get out energy is killing two birds with one stone for me (since we usually fill up and then go find a park with an ICE car)
great video
manual battery precondition is needed!
I already know my way abs don’t need my gps. So a manual precondition will be good.
Also I would like for all charging station to have pay, Samsung pay, Google pay and swipe card to pay. I don’t like having a bunch of different companies having my card info.
Just me.
Does Google’s system smart plan routes? Like in the Volvo/Polestars?
A little off topic (and I know that I'm complaining about the gas side of a PHEV that is no longer for sale), but I have always been annoyed with my i3 Rex because the built-in navigation seems to be completely unaware that I have the Rex.
Good thoughts!
I would love to see a charging video of the average time in an ID.4 for you to slow down to get off highway until you get back on the road and accelerate. The reason for this is that you always say how efficient charger hopping is, but it seems like the time going to a station, paying, plugging in (possibly multiple times to find charger with good transfer rate), negates the benefits of having the fastest transfer. Looking at total times for stopping 30%, 50%, 70% would be interesting to me. Also curious how much time coming in at 3% vs 5-10% saves.
The route planning you refer to for the Taycan is that a paid subscription? I own the E-tron edition one and they too have an option for charging station routing, but you have to pay for it. What would be nice is if it is included free with your vehicle. I just road tripped from Chicago to Mississippi last week and chargers are NOT plentiful in the south. To get back I had to charge at a Nissan dealer! Side note there was a Tesla supercharger across the street LOL. I prefer EA chargers, they are the easiest to use, IMO its not difficult to use the charging app its like a gas station experience. What I would want to see is windshield cleaner and trash cans at the charging stations. I absolutely love road tripping in my EV it's like a mini adventure.
Feature request for EA is to hard stop charging at 80% when a location is busy. Tesla does a great job with this.
Oh yeah, wind has been nuts over the last few days here. We are in Windsor and lost our power for 3 hours last night.
Couldn’t agree more.
I thought you said ID>4 did keep battery at optimum temperature so per-conditioning is not needed.
Agree with you... I'd like for EVs to simply have a "manual battery pre-heat" feature... You press such a button when you know you're about to DCFC, like 30 minutes before you get there... (so you dont need to route-plan DCFC as your destination).
Thank you. As things currently stand, the learning curve for EVs is so much greater than ICE cars. I recently read that approx 1 of every 5 evs sold are resold within a year, usually to go back to an ICE car. I've seen many videos made by new EV owners who obviously did not do the homework and really know very little about their car. On the other hand, I think folks can "get by" if they are only using the car for local driving. However, it has become apparent to me that road tripping can be frustrating unless one has sufficient knowledge and realistic expectations. I reserved a model Y and have spent the last 5 months nearly every day watching MANY videos and reading articles. I imagine that most folks won't be inclined to do that. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
Happy that you ordering your Model Y. I have had 2 Model Y's. The 1st was a 2020 long range which I sold in 8/21 for a profit of 11600. With the profit I bought a late 2021 Model Y Performance. I live in southern California and have traveled to Arizona, Oregon and Washington and have had no range anxiety. You should add 1 hour of travel time for every 500 miles in normal driving conditions. 30 minutes longer if you are driving in cold weather and higher elevations. If you are comfortable with that, you will love your Y.
I think the most critical of these three is going to be plug and charge. I have in laws who would benefit greatly from driving an EV, but the constellation of apps would baffle them. Plug and charge, not needing the apps would be great for them, and people like them.
As with all new things, there are 10+n standarts how it should be done, untill one takes the cake. This is how we ended up with Android vs iOS, or Samsung vs Apple., So we need a bit more time for Tesla vs Standart X, where bouth are competetively convenient.
I can't believe so many EVs lack a competent route planner. The new Rivian's system too! This is so critical for road trip enjoyment.
I wish that EV reviewers would occasionally remember that battery preconditioning is a method that car manufacturers have found and use to get around bad BMS design. Take a look at the etron, four years old, no preconditioning and still has top charging speeds and rates with no battery preconditioning. A great battery BMS and slick heating/cooling at the charger will work wonders, so why penalize it for not having a preconditioner which by design reduces range of the vehicle?
On point with your observations.
EVs in the USA need a single port standard like the EU. And a unified plug and charge standard.
We're on teh waiting list for an ID4. Could VW add these feature via a software update
You should do a video on the best evs money can buy right now
13:57 Wrong, Tesla's do precondition for 3rd-party fast chargers in Europe. Not 100% of them, I would guess some newer one's are still missing in the tesla software.
Can any cars precondition when use CarPlay navigation?
I think Google maps/Android auto or Apple carplay/ways could do the route planning easily. Its frustrating they haven't implemented that yet.
Hey, you should summarize the three things at the end. I forgot the first two by the time you got to the end, but I'll admit I'm not familiar with EVs so much.
So built in route planning (with live charger data) battery preconditioning and ISO 15118 plug and charge capabilities? Bit of a long video to say these things, just saying. But I do agree. I'd also like to add that charging that's 100KW or over should be the standard on all new EVs (not 55, 50, 64 or 78 like Bolt EUV, Leaf, Niro, Kona and others)
Can I say I am an automotive journalist so I can borrow a Porsche for funsies to give the battery pack some exercise?
Seriously though, great video as always Kyle. I would say a fourth thing is CarPlay or Android Auto (which Tesla will forever lack since they think their UI is superior to all others).
Wish list addition: minimum % at arrival setting. This one is huge as a car can get you to a charging desert, and now you are stuck. You can do this on better route planner, but I don’t see this setting on the Tesla. My Example route: Benicia, CA to Oakridge, OR. I have not done this trip yet, but the car gets me there with less than 10%.
And also, great video. Highlights why non teslas don’t have their sh17 together yet. I say this for the Porsche too, since you are stuck on the unreliable non Tesla network on road trips. Kinda scares me. That said, I do have a rivian on order, but I won’t have it until 2024 most likely. So hopefully improvements will happen by then.
I agree that it would be great to set a minimum arrival percentage in the car’s native nav system. When I take my Model 3 LR on road trips, I use A Better Routeplanner as an additional planning tool, since it allows you to set a minimum arrival percentage when it plans your route. I use this to override the nav system in the Model 3 if I want to arrive with a greater percentage than the car predicts. Typically it just means charging for longer than the car suggests.
The Ford F-150 Lightning does fantastic job of charge station routing. Just plug in your trip, and it will automatically route you to charging stations stops along the way.
How do you know that? The Mustang Mach-E from Ford is not in the same ballpark as Tesla when it comes to route planning.
Good thing that Volkswagen/Porsche auto group has this figured out, especially since WV owns electrify America. Big leg up in the race for ID.4 owners since they use the same technology that Porsche does. 🤣
Hypothetically - could these 3 features all be rolled out to cars on the road today by ota updates?
#1 Should be: Range Extender engine.
Our i3 REx has taught me much over 2 years:
24,000 miles last year on 25 gallons of gas. 95% EV driving despite 33kWh battery.
Zero range anxiety or being forced to charge at unsafe or inconvenient locations or times.
"Recharge" takes 30 seconds at gas pump, which are everywhere (not 30+ minutes like at rare level 3 plug).
Hoping RAM goes the REx route for their EV truck.
No thanks, I like my internal combustion engines but you need a bigger battery. With a smaller battery you’re using more charging cycles and it won’t last nearly as long as a bigger battery would.
What needs to happen is for public DC fast chargers to just need a credit card for use instead of needing to have a phone app with an account for every brand of charger
3:15 I don't really agree with this. It really only helps for EV neophytes. In my opinion, EVs will never be mainstream as long as "route planning" is a requirement. It simultaneously indicates both inadequate infrastructure and inadequate range, so route planners really are only needed as a stopgap.
That being said, pretty much every EV does have route planners at this point, even if they aren't integrated into the car. For instance, my 2017 Chevy Bolt EV has a route planner that can be fed through Android Auto.