They Got Away With Murder: Ethel Le Neve, 1910 by Mark John Maguire
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- Almost everyone has heard of Dr Crippen and the murder of his wife in 1910; what is less well known is the role of Ethel Le Neve, although she has always been the object of public fascination. The 2 were obviously soul-mates, but was she also his partner in crime - or merely an innocent young woman caught up in monstrous circumstances?
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Let me add my voice to those who are aghast at the thumbs-downs, and who no doubt can discern these to be due to a lack in good judgment. Obviously, they've not taken any time to savour the fine narration and story-writing ability of Mark.
I can't believe people actually give "thumbs down" for ANY reason in reference to your exceptional presentations!
Nothing surprises me - but thank you so much for your kind support!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder It's possible that someone not accustomed to how these sites work was expressing their opinion of the murder, not the truly excellent presentation. I sometimes have the same confusion when reading a tale of woe on Facebook. If I give a thumbs up does that mean I'm pleased about it? Or will a thumbs down mean I disapprove of it being posted, or dislike the way it was presented? (Safer to do nothing...) I didn't realise for ages that you can correct or remove a thumbs up or down you did by accident either, So I can see that it might have been a genuine error. :)
Happy to know that TH-cam has eliminated the negativity of count on thumbs down. Congrats to TH-cam.
If you have noticed, for about the past 8-9 months, there ARE NO THUMBS DOWN recorded anymore. I think that’s very unfair. I guess it’s how people keep their channels going?
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I'm not British but I really, really enjoyed the story as I've been a living carer for many years but, most of all, your reading. Impressive! Thank you!
This was the first time wireless telegraphy had brought a murderer to justice. A very well presented programme.
Good book about the case where telegraphy was first used called.Thunderstruck by Eric Larson
I like the fact that the author/narrative traces what happened to the individuals after their trial. That is what I have often wondered with a lot of murderers - what happened with the rest of their lives. It is quite fascinating to think that the Crippen 'affair' really ended in the swinging sixties in Lewisham with the death of Ethel Le Neve there.
Thank you, Brian - I have always wondered too!
These documentaries are a pleasure to watch, with the narrator’s clear and unrushed diction, the abundance of pictures always relevant to what is being recounted, the presentation of all that is known followed by the final theory as to what probably happened… Much research and preparation must go into these. It’s surprising how moving images or background music turn out to be completely unnecessary, and might even spoil the minimalist atmosphere that helps to keep focus on the story.
Many thanks, Telmo - I'm glad the minimalism works for you!
Fmmrrr ppl
And told with the skill and soul of a gifted writer!
It is very interesting and refreshing to see Le Neve's name on headline, not Dr. Crippen's. Very nice work. I like your style. Thank you.
Thank you, Atsuko - you are most welcome.
How could 10 people dislike this video? It’s TV quality. Some of the best on You Tube.
Ари Фёдорович there is always a few that do not understand big words. 🤔🤔They get annoyed😡 with not understanding the first few minutes and hit that dislike button in rage. Lol. 🙄
Just not murder fans I guess.
Yes 0r? .....I guess. I think of them as people with no taste. I mean the word “murder” is in the title, not “fuzzy bunnies and kittens”. This is the best channel on You Tube for crime documentaries. If I want to watch fuzzy bunnies or swimming otters, then I go there.
I suspect they are trolls.
Ари Фёдорович no one appreciates FREE, very sad it’s true! But YOU DO & I DO, so that’s TWO! Lol! God bless all here! 😘🙏💕🕊🙋♀️
Absolutely right. I don't mean to gush about it but there is no praise too high for these videos.
I swear you can read the sun newspaper and make it sound good. Your voice is so lovely!!!
One thing I never realized, prior to watching this episode, was how well this case is documented photographically speaking. Cameras had been around for quite some time but in this case you find not only portraits of the main participants but also pictures of the Yard’s digging party, the scene of the crime as viewed at ground and above, candid shots of the fleeing fugitives aboard ship, plus photos of the surviving Ethel and her life post-Crippen. Interesting how many people with camera equipment handy were in the right place at the right time. Excellent job, Mr Maguire, of digging these images up and presenting them along with an insightful narration!
Many thanks for your thoughtful comment - yes, I often think this when researching a case: the availability of images (and also their survival to the present times) varies greatly. The Peasenhall case (1902) was extremely difficult to find images for. I spent many hours trying to find images - and it seems that the only one of William Gardiner is that familiar one of him I have used... The scarcity of images made it necessary for me to do more drawings! In the cases of Lucan and Donald Merrett (1970s and 1950s respectively), there are, as one might expect, too many images. In general I would say that American cases have the most photos - the number and quality of photos of Lizzie Borden is astonishing for 1893...
So very interesting. It's a sheer delight to listen to a clear and very distinct voice .
Many thanks for the pleasure of your ' company ' . 👌🏼
Some years ago the wife of one of my husband’s colleagues was found hanging in the foyer of their home-by her young children returning from school no less!
His office assistant (~15 years his junior) showed up at the funeral wearing the wife’s jewelry. She was living with him very soon afterward and after she got pregnant (again very soon afterward) they married. I have never met a more money-centered shrew. She was well known for berating people in public who were in the unenviable position of serving her-waiters, flight attendants, even the junior doctors at her husband’s practice. She “bragged” to me at a party once that she told a flight attendant “my shoes cost more than your whole JCPenney outfit”. A few years later she dumped her successful surgeon for an equally successful lawyer. What a piece of work.
In this strange world in which we find ourselves, there is such a variety of people - from the nicest to the nastiest. And sometimes the nastiest seem the nicest and vice versa - and just occasionally, very occasionally, we may meet amongst these a murderer...
I'm old enough to know what goes around comes around.
notice how most of these stories and hers will end in a similar way.
Simply Me Yes.
@@TheXmeimei really, what happened to her, she just got richer, hope she enjoys the memory of her jewels in hell.
This is a real hidden-gem channel. Very few videos are cases that are widely reviewed by other true-crime channels and the analysis is thorough. Truly enjoyable content.
I am so glad you like it - many thanks, Tess.
Argh! I can't believe that I've finished all your videos!! I have thoroughly enjoyed each and every one. Your research and writing of the stories is so complete and extremely well done. I especially enjoyed your very rational explanations of how some of the murders were carried out. Your narrative style is so easy to listen to and I'm hoping you'll be doing more of these. Thank you for all the hard work and for sharing these fascinating stories.
Thank you! Yes, there will be more
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder Still following and still subscribed.
Hope all is well with you Mark. x
I'm on my way through all of them for the umpteenth time. Thanks.
You should have a warning on your uploads warning viewers on how addictive they are. Wink wink
I AGREE!!!
Argh! I cannot stand the creepy, weird, complicit Ethel Le Neve or rather Neave. She wore Cora’s jewels and even some of her clothes. As you say, Cora would never have just left them and to wear a murdered woman’s clothes is so cold blooded. Like you, I believe Ethel knew what had happened at the very least.
Indeed! It defies common sense that she would not have known that Cora was dead. I think the police were convinced of her complicity, but of course, what could be proved of this is another matter - and it is clear that Crippen's main concern was to protect her at all costs.
"Cora would never have just left them," brings to mind Hitchcock's "Rear Window" wherein Grace Kelly's character states the same thing re the disappearance of the wife who lived across the courtyard and whose husband was seen behaving suspiciously. Kelly had sneaked into their apartment and found the wife's jewelry in a purse. His being a Brit, I would imagine Hitchcock followed these types of crimes closely in his early years.
@Liza Tanzawa He was. She was a freaking monster. I feel bad for him. And since they tested the dna of the body in the cellar like 10 years ago and concluded that its not even a women's torso he may truly have been innocent. It would definitely he right up his monster wife's alley to let him swing. I'm a little skeptical of that evidence but it gives me hope that the dude was innocent.
@Liza Tanzawa sadly that has been believed for years. I read a great book that disputed Cora being an abuser. She was a strong character and did boss him a bit but was a nice outgoing woman. He enjoyed buying her clothes and jewellery, at a time when a woman's wealthy appearance reflected her husband's wealth. They both considered the jewels an investment belonging to both of them. Her friends loved her and it was due to them refusing to believe she had died, that police were called. There was no proof she was unfaithful tho she did flirt with Bruce Miller. Poor Cora - her reputation needs restoring.
@@sasharaj very true about Hitchcock. I think his film was The Lodger, loosely based on Jack The Ripper. I love Rear Window.
I love this channel. 2022 mid August in Oregon, yet this story takes me back to 1910. So well told, truly a master of his craft.
Thank you very much!
Wikipedia states that Le Neve applied for administration of the estate of Crippen's wife. The probate court refused this. Crippen, awaiting execution, could not profit from the murder of his wife and the probate court decided that neither should Le Neve. How culpable was she?
Very good indeed. An excellent piece of research and presentation. It reminds me of what Raymond Chandler said: 'The easiest case to crack is one where the murderer tries to get cute'.
If only they hadn't undertaken this charade with Ethel dressing as a boy. They could have booked separate passages and then pretended to meet on board!
It is something that has often occurred to me also, Paul - the attempt to pass her off as a boy was a disastrous idea! Had they simply booked separate passages, as you say, they could easily have disappeared in the US and never been heard of again...
There would have been caught aboard ship after the body was dug up. The "scar" on the body was confirmed by her relatives.
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it would appea,r now that DNA says a different, story that they were either mistaken or lied.
@@deborahflorence2332 Think you are missing the point: As Paul Jones says.... they drew attention to themselves by trying to be too clever and diguising Ethel as a boy.... Otherwise, the Captain would have taken them at face value.
As Mr. Maguire says, travelling together in Saloon Class was an error too.....it exposed them unduly.
It was the Captain that alerted Scotland Yard.....not the other way round.
Or booked passage on separate ships
I've only just discovered this channel today and I absolutely love it.
Always late to the party 🤣
Better than interesting. Well researched and narrated with some new and persuasive theories on Le Neve. Well done
Many thanks indeed for your generous comment!
Not sure why so many people here are blaming the victim. She might not have been a perfect character but we’re also basing this on hearsay and conjecture. And even if she was, it doesn’t mean she deserve to get murdered. And it’s not like the husband was that much better. Cheating on her and then murdering her doesn’t make him sound like he’s a nice guy.
Once again, you introduced new (to me) and fascinating features of a case that my amateur researching did not discover. Great presentation, Thanks !
Many thanks, Peter
I have heard this story before, but never with the background and feeling and follow-up of your presentation. I admire your writing and presentation. Good luck with your adventures with TH-cam and new media.
Many thanks, Max.
I'm quite sure Ethel Le Neve must have been aware of the bricking up of the basement...
It's not the kind of task that can be done without anyone noticing either the mess or the sudden appearance of bags of mortar or a pile of bricks......or, indeed, the time it must have taken Crippen to brick up the wall.
Goodness Me!!! ...my grandfather W.Pol-Rogers ran the Holborn restaurant in the Strand. What huge fun to hear the stunningly beautiful (7) Holburn banqueting halls mentioned *again* -- by you, Mark -- X 🙏💐👑
His gentleness etc are what are so scary about him when you think about him murdering and dismembering his wife and then getting rid of her identifying bodily parts who knows where. ... and her wearing her jewels is one thing, but her clothing???? That is shudder causing. Agree with you, Mark. I think she helped.
I know some people are agnostic. I am not. I cannot imagine going to my death knowing I was involved in any way shape for form with the destruction of another human being. How these people can live with themselves knowing what they did is beyond me. The same can be said for all the people you profile on your program. When I was a child Frankenstein used to frighten me. Today it is stories like this one and others that make my skin crawl. Good job on the reviewing and research you have accomplished for this program. Well done.
You'd be surprised (and shocked) how many of these people feel neither remorse nor have a moment of sleep lost over a murder. Instead they have lame excuses and a lack of memory (and not so rarely applause from fangirls, stans and apologists).
If they don't take pride in their deeds and congratulate themselves for having gotten away with crime.
Most informative account I've ever heard of this case. Thank you so much for this ❤️
Thank you, Sandra - you are very kind!
This case and investigation is covered in a book by Erik Larson titled Thunderstruck (My favorite author btw). Highly recommend it for anyone who love history and crime. His other works such as Devil in the White and Dead Wake are also must reads in my ... book
This is the first time I've heard a really good analysis of Ethel Le Neve's possible involvement in the murder, and I think you make a strong argument. If she didn't participate in the murder, she at least could have had a lot to do with helping to dispose of the body.
....Indeed...and for which she may have had, at the very least, a lengthy jail sentence.
She wore Cora's jewellery and furs. She may have not been involved in the actual killing but she clearly knew what Crippen had done. And snatched what she could get. So...
Thank you for your analysis of this case. I’ve known of this case before, but the added way you question the details is fascinating. Thank you!
Brilliantly told murder mystery with twists & turns that one never quite imagined would of taken place…but it did. What a shock for her elderly children many years later. Best wishes from Adelaide; South Australia🇦🇺💐
Great work my friend! I really think you are the best narrator ( story teller) I have ever heard except maybe my grandfather's! Thanks
Something important to remember in the context of those times is that no one unless they were incredibly rich would or even could just go away leaving everything they owned behind; even small mundane things were just not produced in the over abundance they are now and not as readily replaced. To see that someone had up and left in nothing more than the clothes on their back would have caused a sensation of suspicion and foul play would have been the immediate conclusion in anyone's mind.
There is NO WAY that Ethel Le Neve would have simply figured Cora Crippen had just walked out the door one day taking none of her belongings with her with the intention to start a new life. That kind of naive acceptance is inconceivable unless she was profoundly mentally challenged and there is no indication of that in this recounting. I feel certain that if she didn't actually take part in the murder she helped cover it up either overtly or tacitly by keeping silent, but either way she KNEW about it and was willing to profit from it.
Had she really loved him they could have left England for the U.S (since Canada was a province of England) beyond the "grasp" of England OR his wife.
So strange she would go on to lead a fairly normal life till her 80s, going by the account given by her children!
@@deborahflorence2332 ~ my thoughts exactly!
Oh my. The narrator’s voice is just perfect. Loving the tone, articulation, tempo and annunciation. 🙌😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video and your research and analysis is meticulous. The only striking thing is that if Crippen was concerned she would not crack under interrogation by the police which prompted him to flee was the fact that she subsequently proved able to hold her nerve through the arrest, trial and acquittal.
The Crippen case keeps getting mentioned in the classic English mystery novels of the 1920s through the 1960s. Agatha Christy refers to it in several novels and so does Dorothy Sayers in the Lord Peter Whimsey novels. Connie Wills mentions Crippen in "To Say Nothing of the Dog.' As someone else mentioned, the case is one of the two main storylines of Erik Larson's "Thunderstruck."
Another wonderful episode. I know this case has gathered great and enduring interest in the UK but much less so in the USA. Still, many here have heard of it but this was the first in-depth review of it I have come across. How anyone could think mistress was not involved in some degree is beyond comprehension. For what it is worth, the podcast beginning with the illustrated shooting is a better beginning and flows much better with the rest of the narrative. Thank you again for this great series.
The gentleman reading has such a soothing voice, despite the content. He could read a bedtime story and I would be asleep in seconds.
Thanks you, Barb - you're very kind.
Your are welcome.
I am amazed that you do not have more subscribers! Since discovering your channel I've been hooked. Will definitely be linking you on the other real crime channels I watch.
Thank you Luke, that's very generous of you!
Spread the word, as I do, this is quality entertainment!
Never heard of this case. Thanks for sharing!
I first knew of this story a few days ago in Murder maps. But the details you tell are 10 times better. They stuck solid to each other till the very end.
I'm slowly making my way through your back catalogue.
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Thank you!
Another excellently presented case.
Thankyou for sharing this with us - "The Thumbs up Brigade "
Namaste 🙏 💟
Many thanks, David!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder my pleasure & Thankyou, again for your excellent work - it's always a good listen.
They are either two strong willed woman with a sap in between or well I don’t know? But I’ve always believed in her involvement! Good job!
Many thanks - yes, Crippen was a man attracted to strong women and was easily dominated, it seems. His wife clearly abused him, but Ethel was dominant too in her way - and it would be strange if she were not involved in some way in the murder of "Belle Elmore"...
This was a good one!!!! They really loved each other to the point where murder had to be an option. This type of murder goes on all the time today. Human beings, no matter what time period they lived, sometimes make bad decisions!
Excellent work, thank you.
I always liked this story, and the narrator does it justice.
I've become a fan of these excellent documentaries, quite compulsive. On this occasion though I do believe that you're being rather too harsh on Ethel Le Neve. It's quite clear that she was well aware of the death of Cora Crippen, but a death is not necessarily murder. I believe, and so did the great advocate, Sir Edward Marshal Hall, that the death of Cora was unintended. The list mentioned in this documentary suggested that as option number 2 though it only partially proposed the reason. Hyoscine was relatively new to the medical scene at that time and was utilised primarily as an alternative to anesthetics during operations which were still in their infancy, extremely dangerous if not used with precision. Hyoscine had the effect, not of causing the patient to be numbed to pain but rather to blank out the memory of pain. It was not thought of as a poison in the sense of arsenic, strychnine and other conventional poisons.
It's quite likely that Crippen and le Neve, not being especially well off financially, were unable on a regular basis to enjoy the luxury of hotels when arranging their trysts, quietly bringing Le Neve into the house provided an alternative. By employing Hyoscine they could ensure that Cora would sleep through undisturbed and on waking be unable to recall any untoward happening during the night. Crippen and Cora had separate bedrooms on different floors in the house.
As with many drugs, repeated use builds some immunity and it may well be supposed that Crippen had on occasion to increase the dose until eventually, that tragic night, Cora succumbed.
The law at that time could, and generally would, prosecute anyone involved in a crime on much the same basis, that's to say that if Crippen was to hang and the court decided that le Neve had played any part, she would stand the risk of being hanged alongside him. Crippen was not going to put her at risk, not even the risk of a prison sentence. He was well aware that his defense would be viewed as ludicrous and that inevitably he would pay the ultimate price, but le Neve was his one and only priority. He was approached by Marshall Hall who would most certainly have got him at most a 10 year prison sentence, this defense would however have brought le Neve into the picture. For that reason he refused to have Marshall Hall, choosing instead Alfred Tobin, a barrister with almost no criminal defense history, but one who would not argue with Crippen's instructions. Crippen would rather die than put her at risk, and he did.
To willingly lay down his life for his lady might, in another age, have been considered worthy of a place at King Arthur's round table.
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Quite simply, 'murder' requires ''premeditation'. There is plenty of room for doubt that premeditation existed in this case. Irrespective of his callous actions following the death of his wife, his overriding concern was to protect Ethel Le Neave. British law at that time was such that had she been implicated in any way she would have suffered the same sentence as Crippen, including the death penalty, even for simply being present in the house at the time of death. He wasn't going to risk that, or even subject her to the gaol sentence she would have been condemned to had the charge been reduced to manslaughter. He would rather be hanged than involve her and he knowingly pursued that course when he insisted that he knew nothing of the body. How many men would have sacrificed themselves in that way knowing that by explaining the unfortunate death he very likely would have served a 5 to 10 year gaol term and then be free.
He accidentally killed his wife so he chopped her up, moved Ethel in, and gave Ethel her jewelry? Come on now.
@@riggs20 An incredibly stupid move, I agree. But we don't hang people for their stupidity, fortunately for me and many more. :>)
In fact, his hopelessly irrational behaviour following Cora's death could be considered a point in his favour. Someone planning her death would have given far more thought to events likely to arise following her disappearence and planned accordingly.
Thanks for a very interesting and informative video. I had no idea of the back story to Dr Crippen. Just one little correction might be needed.. at 28:21 it displays Ethel Le Neve's death year as 1867..should be 1967? Will check out the other videos now too. Thank you.
Yes, my error - it is indeed, 1967, not 1867, of course. Many thanks.
Excellent writing and narration. Thank you. 👌💕
I'm always astonished at the size of the hats the ladies wore!! Witness the size of the hat Ethel is wearing at 3.00 in the video!! It's huge!!
Just discovered your channel recently and am finding it very interesting and fascinating. Just one small comment on this particular one.....Near the very end, when you show the photo of Ethel Le Neve with her dates underneath, you have 1883 - 1867 -- I think you meant 1967.
Thank you - yes, indeed! I am unfortunately not able to correct the date on youtube without re-uploading the video. That will mean losing all the comments people have taken time to make...
How did the women wear those hats? They were enormous, mountainous! How could you even get through a doorway with one of these on your head?
What about the corsets!!!???
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I make hats like that now. They sell out!!! Seriously.
@Catherine Wilson Hobbit homes had very wide doors......;)
But you'd probably have to duck.
Untiltomorrow9 Your Kidding!
Another wonderful article thank you
Thank you. Love all the pictures. How could she not know, wearing his Wife's jewelry,ect.??
That is a key point for me, yes!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder morning! I've heard of Denial, been there, but good grief!! I've never heard of a Wife , giving a girlfriend her Jewelry,&/ or Clothes!!
Good program. Cora's dresses must have been huge on her.
Thanks James - good point!
Ouch.
I was wondering about that myself.
Another well researched video. Love it 👍🏻💙💜💚
What a most intriguing presentation. Thank you very very much. Of course she helped him:. They wanted everything, just their love wouldn't do....
Thank you - glad you liked it.
Interesting how all "who got away with it" from this series lived to very old age
Excellent episode. Thank you for yet another riveting story!
Excellent narration.
Thank you so much.
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Thank you!
Great retelling, Mark. Thank you.
Thanks for listening
Excellent video, well put together - from a new subscriber.
Marvelous story. Great photos.
Many thanks, Catherine
I was glad to stumble upon your videos and subscribe to your channel. You write wonderfully well and have a lovely, soothing voice for narration. The stories are very well researched. I'm a devotee of true crime and history, so these stories deeply fascinate me. I did, however, notice a typo at the end--her birth and death years were given as 1883-1867. Please keep making these videos.
Thank you Saz - doing my best. You are quite right about the date - it should, of course, be 1967 - and unfortunately I would need to delete the video and edit then upload it again, which would lose everyone's comments etc, so I am stuck with it!
I had heard of the name Crippen, but now there's a background story. Thank you so very much. Again, your channel is so very interesting.
Very informative loved all the extra detail not disclosed giving a motive for le neve. But with the body testing as male, maybe this story is only half finished? Great presentation, thank you will subscribe to your channel.
Thanks Markus - quite agree with you. The matter of the identity of the body in the cellar remains an issue. Private tests conducted have suggested that it is of a male - and presumably not, therefore, that of Cora/Belle... Unfortunately, the Metropolitan Police have refused to conduct further tests on the samples to ascertain if the private tests are, in fact, accurate. They have said they will do so for (I believe) what was considered an exorbitant fee - and this was declined by the Crippen family. My own thought is that surely there must be a newspaper willing to stump up the fee to have these tests carried out by the Mepo? It might not sway the argument either way, but it would present us with a fascinating new dimension to the crime...
I'm enjoying you channel very much.
Glad you enjoy it!
She said they were in disguise to keep a scandal away...well they lived as man and wife before...wasn’t that scandalous?
Yes - I believe if they had not gone to such outlandish lengths to disguise themselves; simply travelled as husband and wife, they would have succeeded in getting to the US and disappearing without trace.
Good presentation as usual,,DR Crippen was a Gallant gent in his own love story,which showed the best ever loyalty to a loved one 😉
Thank you, Wade - I agree Dr Crippen was a rather likeable man! The Governor of the prison - and the warders - extended every courtesy to him on the eve of his execution in view of his good nature. Apparently when Ursula Bloom met Ethel Le Neve 50 years after Crippen's execution, when asked if she would still marry Crippen she said unhesitatingly "Yes".
How intensely sad; you tell it most movingly
Thank you!
I wonder if Ethel actually committed the murder, and Crippen took the blame...
Interesting! Could be.
Beautifully done video... keep up great work 😊😁
Great Channel ❗️Thank You So Much 🎭
Thank you, Adelia - I'm very pleased you liked it!
So pleased to to have found you,I love your voice,dispite the
So pleased to have found you,I love your voice, it’s oddly relaxing despite the subject & the use of photos rather than inane acting recreating the murder is much better
Thank you, Linda - I am delighted you liked it!
Interesting that it took inspector Dew 3 visits to find the body. I would expect flesh, buried only a few months.ago, to stink like hell in the confines of a cellar.
That *hat* !!!
Later...I misspoke. I should have said :- “ *those* hats!!
They made that one hat into a fancy lampshade not long after that😜
It's too bad that we will never know Ethel Le Neve Harvey Smith's mindset. Was she a closet psychopath or someone who was controlled by a psychopath? Was she merely and incredibly stupid person with a severe mental deficit? In her later years, when she had a husband and children, did she ever feel a pang of guilt for her part in taking a woman's life? Given that she was so willing to flaunt the jewelry of the murder victim in public, it seems likely not.
Wow, Crippen as a love story. This is one of the reasons why I love this channel.
I have no more to see. Seen them all at least twice.👍🏾. Going on three times 😃. Learn something new each time i watch and listen 👂🏾.
An absolutely fascinating story..... thank you so very much Sir !
Thank you, Andrew!
I just looooove listening to these!! Im addicted
I am delighted, Caroline!
Cora was actually Crippen’s second wife. His first wife, Charlotte died of a stroke. Crippen and Charlotte had a son, Hawley Otto whom Crippen sent to live with his parents in California. Crippen having qualified as a homeopath started to practice in New York where he married Cora. Although understandable that Crippen would seek help from his family to care for his young son, it seems to be a remarkable emotional detachment to actually move to another country where it would be even harder to have any contact with the child. Crippen may well have had considerable time to plan for Cora’s murder and the disposal of the rest of her remains. He may well have been mild but there also could have been considerable coldness. I have no doubt Ethel was much more involved that she admitted and was fortunate to be acquitted. Crippen always denied murder, he had to, even after all hope was gone he acted to protect Ethel. I found it very unkind for a crime writer to have tracked down Ethel’s children, it must have been a very painful for them
My most enjoyable reading to date.
How fascinating. I guess one will never really know who's living nextdoor.
Thank you, Lori.
Oh, but thank you, sir.
I am new to your channel, and very glad to becoming a brand new fan
Thank you, Rochelle!
Great channel, thank you.
Bloody brilliant. Loved every moment of this totally enthroled. ❤️
IMO in many cases the after-story is the best part. Many of these un-convicted murderers went on to lead long but dull lives.
Yes, I am always fascinated to find out what became of these people - it isn't always possible, which I find very frustrating!
Very nice voice! Nice even volume & steady script! Bravo! That detective was part blood hound! Both in finding the Mrs C & getting into port ahead of Mr C +1, like a dog with a bone!! And to most on the ship, the father & "son" didn't draw attention, except to the officer paying attention! I dare say, more fugitives would be caught today, if more people paid attention. Really good research & reporting! I look forward to this voice in the future ☺
Thank you very much!
I think it would be no shame to switch on monetisation with one or two considerate ads - these podcasts are exquisite and so well written!
😢 I've now watched all your videos. 😭
I hope to have a new one by the middle of next week - it's a slow business! Thanks for liking them, though!
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder I'll look forward to it!
There's no way Le Neve didn't know about the murder. Guilty!
Love your work. Thx so much.
Very well researched indeed.
Absolutely fascinating historical journalism and analysis. Your sense of vivid irony and tragedy never fails to keep me enthralled. I do not agree with your view that Ethel was likely involved. I don't discount the possibility that she was in on it, but I am less convinced that she would not have believed whatever stories and explanations. Some people are willing to let the partner do the driving without much thought. She may have suspected or she may have had a submissive or shallow disposition.She may have been in on it but based on the evidence I could believe either way. Still, I loved every minute of this video and I must say your portrayal of the love between Crippen and Ethel was super touching and tragic.
Excellent Thankyou 😊
So THAT'S what happened to Ethel Le Neve! When I first read of this case in the 1970s, authors had no idea what became of her after the trial...they couldn't trace her. Fascinating that half a century later, we know where she went, what she called herself and where she lived. Such an old mystery solved--and I quite agree she had to have been an accomplice.
Excellent content, fantastic narration.
Thank you kindly!