History of WWI Primer 185: Foreign 1911s Documentary
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- C&Rsenal presents its Primer series where we delve into the story of this classic firearm. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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Мир оружия № 10 2005
Colt Government Models: Продолжение "пистолетной" истории
Семен Федосеев
Colt .45 Service Pistols: Models of 1911 and 1911A1
Charles W. Clawson
Colt Automatic Pistols
Donald B. Bady
The Government Models
William H.D. Goddard
British Secondary Small arms 1914-1919 Vol.2
Aircraft Weapons, Machine-guns & Pistols
A.O. Edwards
Military Pistols of ARgentina
Alex Gherovici
Kongsberg Colten
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Webley & Scott Automatic Pistols
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Britains most famous 1911 user was TE Lawrence. His brother purchased two while visiting New York city kept one for himself and shipped the other to his brother who became known as Lawrence of Arabia who used it. Both men had been on the Oxford University rifle team and were excellent shots. The film Lawrence of Arabia inaccurately portrayed Lawrence as using a tevolver.
You misspelled tea-volver
I hope that firearm made it into a museum before the Brits outlawed possession of handguns, ….for law abiding subjects
Didn't he accidentally shoot his own camel in the head with it.
Why would a film maker, depicting a British Gentleman in the distant past with some kind of Modern looking standard autoloading 45 acp colt pistol? When we can give him a much more refined and classy and traditional British Revolver appropriate for the era!?!
That Colt rubbish is Far too advanced for before World War Two. Did you see what they used in the trenches of WW1? Single shot rifles and single action pistols! They couldn't buy enough of them and pushed them into service. Then realised they were crap and rolled out newer Magazine guns, then they invented machine guns and everyone got one, and they dug trenches, then they had to learn to attack trenches and pistols were winners, so they invented the double action revolver and GOD Moses Browning sold his machine guns to the USA and his pistol 1911, and we went to war strapped them to the British Tanks and won the war of the slow to adapt Europeans!
No. Sorry revisionist historians. But actually we had all the guns of world war 1 before the war began, except the paris gun: that was a one off specialist gun. The problem with war is it eats your people and their equipment and about 100 bullets or shells for every person you manage to kill. And you MUST replace those or you will be unable to inflict the same cost on your foe.
There were not enough guns. Never enough guns. Not even the USA which had been preparing for joining the war for Years with Europe's Gold to spend, was prepared, nor had enough guns when they joined the war. Which was why last episode they had barely confirmed the creation of 6 new supply chains for new 1911s when the war suddenly ended, and the contracts had to be revoked.
And yes. Lawrence had a 1911, and it probably served him well, just like it did soldiers in the trenches.
A case of historically accurate but "unrealistic." Similar to if you had a movie about Roman gladiators and had a scene where they get a sponsor from a local merchant guild or a film about Lewis and Clark where someone uses a heavy caliber air rifle to down over a dozen targets in under a minute (something they frequently did to impress/intimidate new native tribes they met).
1911? Never heard of it. My favorite gat is the Kongsberg 1914.
There ain’t no party like a C&Rsenal 1911 coverage party because a C&Rsenal 1911 coverage party don’t stop!
A great time to slow down and have a smoke and enjoy myself.
This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no fool in’ around!
I'm just waiting for there to be episodes to the point that they are covering 1911 use in Vietnam and they're just blaring fortunate sun 😅
Ballistol is seriously the most fitting sponsor for this show, love that you found a way to collaborate.
@VeraTR909 Ballistol is great stuff, easy to use cause its safe to almost every material, from skin to steel (carefull with nickled/gold ornamented guns thou), but the thing smells really bad.
@@kimmoj2570what‘s the problem with Nickel?
A hundred years in the making....you think they could do something about that stench. I don't use it for that reason alone.
Was a little bit confused when I saw Colt had Newfoundland but not Canada, then I found out Newfoundland didn’t actually become a part of Canada until the late ‘40s.
I am a bit confused as to why Colt got Newfoundland but not Canada.
With Britain and North America being allocated to Colt, why was Canada specifically excluded? Not to mention Colt already having a significant presence in Canada and was actively selling to the government.
America: Why can’t you adopt 45 acp like a normal person?!
Britain: *demonic screaming*
At least they got their revenge with the adoption of the 7.62 NATO cartridge.
Britain: "Why can't you adopt an intermediate cartridge like everyone else?"
USA: Bureau of Ordinance *autistic* *screeching*
@@user-bi7xd8ry5p RIP the Enfield EM-2. It would've been a fantastic service rifle...
@@rdrrr I see you have drank the Gun Jesus koolaid as well😂 cuz I think about the EM2 like once a month.
I love the Webley self-loader for being so derpy looking. Box gun
I'm willing to bet it served as inspiration for Scaramanga's Golden Gun.
IT'S THE ALL 1911 ALL THE TIME CHANNEL! Damn it's good
50:10 one clear advantage, the Webley has over the Colt is that due to its hideous and odd construction anytime you possess it you’ll have a low grade burning rage, which can be directed into increased ferocity in beating your enemy to death with the pistol, when/if it jams. While the Colt due to its incredible lines and fine engineering and balance. You realize that that is too good of a death for your enemy, and a front to JMB himself. And you’re force to holster it and get your e-tool to beat them to death, which is a much slower operation.
The Webley is a gorgeous firearm, you tasteless philistine
Love the Beach Boys reference!
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Great show. Very informative.
I look forward to a p38 to m1951 to 92 series.
I totally bought a glass jar of Ballistol the other day in our local baumarkt just because of C&Rsenal.
We've improved folks: the all fourty-something channel!
So far, all the 1911s have shown very good accuracy in Mae's hand. I think only the Lugers did as well. How about a fun video showing just the targets, one after the other, of all the pistols she's shot for the series! Then do the rifles...and the...
Wasn’t expecting an episode on these foreign models, so exciting!
They may not make a .46 but we made a .455!
Fun fact, they did in fact make a .46:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.46_rimfire
Yes....on the shirts!
Thank you kindly for yet another well worked episode!
Thanks for the video, team and supporters!
47:33 Thanks for doing the photoshop, it made your point much clearer. All in all, your sight picture photos are a treasure in their own right, they really help to get the feel of the gun and its sights.
51:01 Well, Star pistols (Mod. 1920 & all the following) predate M1911A1, and you've already mentioned it once and told the first part of the brand's story, so here's hoping....
Really appreciate the width and breadth of this mini series. Thanks
Excellent as always.
Can't wait for my T shirt, Othias!
_"You wanted 1911's? HAVE ALL OF THE 1911'S HAHAHAHAHA!!!"_ - Othais McCarthy 2023
With the runup and the actual 1911 episodes it has been worth the wait.
Well done. Thanks. I do enjoy the repeated 'Brit rectangle gun' usage.
Kongsberg Colt Model 1914, I would love to get my hands on one.
Thanks
5:20 Was that a Beach Boys reference in a 1911 video? Nice.
Neat!
Have a Modelo 1927 Argentine Navy marked.. happy to have it.
So does this mean a separate video about Mexican Colt 1911's in .38 Super? 🤔
Love the history part
Delightful.
Good Evening from England.
Of all the 1911s I have the Ballester-Molian is my favorite.
23:09 That's a great grouping from an old pistol!
The Fudd Cannon in all her glory.
I have an Argentine 1911 that was converted to .22 using the Colt Ace system. The Argentine Colts were made under license on Colt machinery.
A local gun shop had a Norwegian 1911, it was quite expensive and I had to pass, even though the Norwegians are my peeps.
You could also do a show about firearms restoration similar to "This Old Gun" if you ever don't find yourself overflowing in work for this series.
Here is hoping for the all Anti-tank rifle channel now that we are edging our way outside of WWI.
On the topic of Canadian M1911s, the pistol belonging to John McCrae, best known for writing In Flanders Fields, can be found on display at the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa. :)
I love those Webley & Scott automatics. I’ve got a couple but no .455 Navy’s yet 😂
the Webley selfloader looks weird hypermodern, like a 60 year early coming of Mac10 or micro Uzi or whatever... that boxy receiver is standing out.
At least you didn’t say (Glock). Now I don’t have to wash my mouth with soap…
Man's got beef with the Glock@@samiam619
The Webley looks like a gun from Fallout.
Ballistol works great on hair clippers if you've got them around the house too.
5:22 Heh. Made me chuckle.
Yaaaaaay finally
Hey Othias, is it possible the ‘E’ engraving on the receiver body was short hand for export?
Roll on the funky Scandinavian!
The 1911 got so much right. Too bad it couldn't have had better sights. It was always the front sight that was more difficult (and important) to pick up.
I've got a weird request. can we get a ballistol episode?
it's long overdue
Well, that should make the 1911 fans happy. I am. Learned to shoot using my Dad's 1911A1. Lucky boy I was.
The "E" on the frame could also stand for "Enlarged" as well as "Eley." Or both.
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I always love that the drop tests are never addressed. Like, how did they organise that?
“Alright private, now drop it.”
“Nah, you drop it.”
I don't recall which variant it was, but it had a huge amount of vertical trigger slop. I was surprised that it wasn't mentioned.
In 50 years we will be watching a candrsenal on the stealth arms platypus
I’m having flashbacks to the all .32 channel times.
I remember when this was the Mauser channel :D :D:D
Now we on the 1911 channel
Interesting about their being no feel - in my sample size of one, the mag on the .455 is a noticeably tight fit compared to the .45s.
23:09 Mae, you are deadly.
Can you find out anything about the "mystery" Chinese production of several hundred thousand 199A1 copies back in the 1990s? They were all "sanitized" with no production markings except the serial number. I have two. Contact me if you need a picture or two!
The british "We're going to have an extra 0.05! predictable response in practice: is it in yet?
It's an extra 0.005", not 0.05" (and the actual difference in bullet diameter is even less than that)
brit rectangle gun does look A LOT like the rectangle guns i used to draw in grade school.
Mae so happy she made a happy face down range
Would be great if you did one on the luger .45acp
Not sure there’s really enough of a story there for a full episode
Webley being made for alien hands explains so much.
I think that the feel of all those 1911s being the same speaks to the consistency of Colt's manufacturing of the era. They made one batch for whichever customer just as good as the next batch for a different customer.
Despite the posters on my wall I will sit on my hands as instructed.
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That X marking, is a War Deparment Arrow property mark. When doubled to an X donates 'Sold out of service.
so churchill had both a 1911 and a c96? what a badass!!!
"British Rectangle Gun" the most descriptive name ever
Thank you Brandon!
Paul Harrell- Not enough difference to make a difference
Konigsburg Colt is next!
one of these 1911s shipped to Russia was the one Comrade Yurovsky used to end the Romanovs
So how many Colts in total did Britain receive. I was trying to work it out but lost track when I ran out of fingers.
metric or imperial?
You forgot.... "Stop'in Pow ah" :)
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So what you're saying is that the Webley is best.
And this the seed of the tokarev tt-30/33 pistol is sown. Also still need the potato digger video.
Yeah, the Tokarev ain’t easy on the eye… but you can at the same time see it’s original bloodlines.
Yes, I would love to see a potato digger get the C&Rsenal treatment
@@8.6GivenAdqVacSysmOn the contrary, Tokarevs are very easy on the eyes of you prefer rounded 1903/1908 outlines to blocky 1905/1911 ones. Especially the Yugoslav model since it corrects the "grip is too short" problem.
@@hailexiao2770 well I guess we will agree to disagree. I find it, like most products of Soviet Communism to be rather brutish and utilitarian
It was the Danish Virgin islands Not the Antillies ( Denmark sold them to the USA in 1917 ) so now they are the US Virgin islands ( Sorry to point out a tiny flaw in your awsome video)
wait! someone had them before the us? shouldnt they be called "the us hoe islands"?
true, but when Colt and FN signed their agreement the islands were still Danish.
@@mrjockt The Antilles never where Danish
First of all, it wasn't the flaw of the C&Rcenal, but the FN and Colt employees writing the original document, as you can clearly see at about 5:00 mark. And secondly, judging by how they misspelled Curaçao, these guys preparing the agreement weren't on the best terms with toponyms at all.
FMF Corpsman in the mid-70s. Issued 1911. POS. Bought and carried a S& W Model 29 with speedloaders. Technically against the rules, but at least the 29 functioned first time every time.
C89xxx Russian Contract ,my friend has one.🇫🇮also m/91 Remington and West..
Webley made some great handguns but we should have bought the 1911 as standard.
I'm sorry for picking. But I noticed that the seal on Mae's hearing pro had a huge gap due to the hat and glasses. As someone who has shot and run gas equipment for decades I've discovered a few things, from my Dr mostly. Anything that breaks the seal on muffs are negating the dB reduction ratings, even if the glasses are marketed as ear pro compatible. Always double up ear pro or get glasses that have angled lenses so they can be placed above the muffs and still be eye pro. Also if you have a 20dB reduction muff, and your rifle is putting out 170dB, you are still getting 150dB of damage to your hearing over the hours of range time or work day.
I came into this thinking it was going to be mostly Norwegian with some minor mention of other countries and Britain's .44 1911. I WAS WRONG.
If they had managed to fix the Ross rifles, primary issue of the cartridges getting stuck, could it have stayed in service for longer than it did?
If it had been given time to work out the issues and spared the political BS of "must be Canadian" it could have been.
The British would be pushing to standardize regardless as soon as they had enough SMLEs. But there is no real reason they couldn't have kept the Ross rifle.
In the big picture, a Ross that was functioning properly was certainly good enough to fill the role and production was sufficient to keep the Canada Corps equipped with them.
You know, I feel like a big dum-dum.
Because as this episode mentioned, yet again, an instance of a Navy being influential in a small arms purchase and development situation, I, also yet again, found myself wondering "Why does the Navy need so many small arms? Surely they'd be more influential in the purchase of big cannons and machine guns. Not much call for small arms on a ship."
Except this time I went a step further "What would they even need them for? Boarding I guess. But wouldn't they just let the Marines with their guns do that?... ... ... OH. Right! The Marines are IN the Navy. That's who needs all those small arms!"
The Royal Navy, AKA for varying reasons, The Andrew. Is the Senior military service in UK. It also was profitable, as the doctrine at the time, a long carry over, was 'Why sink a ship? We can capture it and sell it to the Goverment, and every sailor involved, gets a share. The RN is also responsible for the Royal Marines, or as the reply goes when asked, 'What does the RM on the shoulder tab mean. Real Marines'. The RN is also a leader in use of modern technology, including tanks and and aircraft. Being independent, and throughout history being first with boots on the ground,policing the Empire, showing the flag etc. We want our own kit, not Army left overs.
The surprising thing here is that they went for the right-handed gun shooting quite a potent cartridge. Cutlass was still carried well into the 1940, and the predominant doctrine at least since the early nineteenth century was to use it in the dominant hand, so your handgun needs to be lefty-friendly. And with steel ships all around, ricochets were a real problem, so there's really no need to use potent cartridges in your handguns, as long as you don't expect to use your pistols in land combat, for which case a rifle would be better anyway, even for an officer, as the Second Anglo-Boer war had shown.
@@F1ghteR41 Arguably .45 ACP would be an ideal cartridge for shipboard fighting, because it's potent, sure, but it's also relatively slow and heavy and doesn't really have much 'bounce' to it when hitting hard surfaces, so it doesn't ricochet nearly as much as many smaller pistol cartridges.
@@RvEijndhoven But how many people could've made good use of it in the off-hand? .32 ACP, as used by many navies by the time of WW2, is much milder in terms of recoil, and since double-stack pistol magazines were already available by 1907-08 (see Savage M1907 for example), one can reach relatively high ammo capacity with less difficulty.
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Do you have any idea why Canada was specifically excluded from Colt's exclusive territory?
Between being in both North American and part of the British Empire it seems strange. Especially with Canada having a long history of buying Colt pistols
Vis35 is best 1911 clone , Norwegian one is good too
Could the Vis 35 be considered as the first 9x19mm 1911?
@@hendriktonisson2915when did the Spanish “Star” come out?
@@samiam619 Before the Vis. The first 1911 "style" pistol made by Star was the model 1920. Beat the 35 by a decade in design. And the model B was sold starting in the mid 20s while the vis again was more mid 30s by the time they had a decent number in production.
@@einzelfeuer_2855 Thanks for the info!
@@hendriktonisson2915 You're welcome. Spanish guns are rather interesting to me. Especially Star and Astra. They're really very high quality.
14:22 - Canada is still legally known as The Dominion of Canada.
I never put anything on my guns except Ballistol.
I have been known to put mineral oil on some…
@@samiam619 When I'm blueing a handgun I'll use the oil recommended by the people who make the blueing solution. But mostly I love Ballistol.
how do you shoot them without putting hands on them? on second thought, forget it i asked. i dont want to know.
feeding the algorithm
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Did any country order 9x19mm version of the 1911 pistol before WW2? If not then when were the first 9x19 1911s produced?
Colt never made any until 1949 as far as I know
@@wingracer1614 What about FN or other manufacturers?
@@hendriktonisson2915 FN made just a few slightly smaller versions in 9.65x23mm but the war ended that development. Only a couple examples still exist.
@@wingracer1614 I see. People in the comments have mentioned the Polish 9mm Vis 35 pistol which looks very similar to the 1911 but I'm not sure if it's mechanism is a straight copy of the 1911.
@@hendriktonisson2915 That would be the closest thing I know of but It's not really a 1911. Derivative of it sure but not a 1911. It's more like a cross between a 1911 and a Hi Power. And there's the problem, why build 9mm 1911s when the Hi Power already exists?