I think what greatly affected the rating was the fact that it took 30 min just to set it up for the special ending that he got tired and had high expectations for it in the end to be worth all the effort. It's unfortunate since I think it's one of the best ones imo as well, and I didn't even finish the game yet.
The fact that they perfectly recreated Persona 5's all out attack even including different victory screens if you win the battle with it is absolutely a 10/10
Easily 10/10 I agree, I even love the fact that the sparkle effect for when Joker pulls his glove down in his iconic pose, that it should be blood, so the fact to see like Steve, Sora, Sepiroth, etc. just bleeding to death, and instant, “GAME!”, I just find that funny lmao-
What makes Steve's final smash so great is the random as fuck zombie caught in the cobwebs making the scene look like Sakurai just built and recorded the scene authentically in minecraft itself.
That's exactly what he did, you can tell it's just a Minecraft recording and it's amazing. The only thing about it I'd change is having Steve look on at the destruction while eating the steak, instead of facing the camera. Maybe at the end, have him turn towards it.
Joker and Sephiroth's final smash are my favorites. All out Attack is stylish and Supernova is always a spectacle. But without a doubt, all DLC Final Smash attacks are super flashy and cinematic. There's just something so cool about using a character's already familiar ultimate attack on another character. You can use Supernova on a poor Pikachu. And that same Pikachu can use his gen 4's Volt Tackle on Ken Masters, and so on and so on. I feel like we don't appreciate these as much.
Yo Videogames certainly does, thats why their smash content is my favorite, no over analyzing things like frame data, just some dudes having a literal "Blast" with the game.
Yeah, reminds me of the DLC supers of Samurai Showdown for comparison. The DLCs, even the weak ones in Min-Min and Pyra, were decent. Joker and Seph supers are just so good
I think about that last part all the time I was playing as Sora vs like Banjo or something on the Tekken stage and I was like "holy shit this is a real video game" and I have had these kinds of moments since Ultimate's release
Max with FF7 stuff: "This is quite possibly the greatest thing humanity has ever achieved!! 69/10!" Max with literally anything else: "Eh.. it was okay. 7/10."
It's easy a 10/10 and I have not even played Persona 5, if Max talked about how Cloud is a 1-1 exact recreation from Advent Children and has a 10 then Joker should also have a 10 since it's also an exact recreation from P5
He is ABSOLUTELY biased (which he is well within his right to be). He also knows absolutely nothing about Persona which probably influences why he gave it an 8 (I’m a persona fan who has never played 5 but that shit was a 10/10 all day and twice on Sunday).
For Hero it always stays the same except for the Hero you're playing as. The characters alongside Hero are the protagonists from the DQ games that didn't make it into Smash.
All Out Attack is my favorite purely because of the extra detail of it cutting to the results if it K.O.'s everyone else on their last stock like the after-battle screen in Persona 3-5. It's fucking amazing. Sephiroth would be my favorite if it lasted a full minute like it does in FFVII
All Out Attack has probably the most effort put into it because of the different combinations of character portraits and voice lines used at random, as well as the detail of finishing a match with it How Hero's was given a point higher than it is beyond me tbh
How is Cloud's a ten and Joker's not a ten? C'mon Max... I love FF7 and I've never played P5, but that's just silly. Joker has the sickest FS in the game. It literally has a special ending.
If Joker wanted a 10/10, he should've recreated a scene from Final Fantasy 7 expanded universe material. That's just what it takes, Max doesn't make the rules.
With all the dlcs final smashes, they went pretty damn hard on the references to original games, and it pains me that max didn't really take into consideration the references for the games i actually like lol. The extra touch on joker's final smash is unbelievably cool, and it even changes depending on the color of mementos, like his other victory screen. And the fact that pyra and mythra got different final smashes, with each of them being their level 4 from the original game was pretty cool, but i think it would be cooler if they added in the effect of you finishing a chain combo with each of them, using the base combos of triple fire or triple photon or even the more complicated combos, who knows. A bit disapointed, but definitely a 7 at least
The great thing about Smash is almost every Final Smash is a 10/10 to someone. Like Joker is an EASY 11/10 for me being such a perfect recreation of the All-Out Attack combined with the fact that all of the P5 party members outside Akechi can show up during it. Then you add the special victory screen for killing with it and it's a 15/10. So much love and attention to detail was put into this content that a fan of any series can look at their favorite character and just be proud of the work Sakurai and his team put into all of this.
@@pondscum9363 well, Sonic''s final Smash is Reference to Sonic Generations when you get S - Rank as Super Sonic. ıt's not an "Whoa" reference but it made me smile.
@@onewingedakuma6835 talk about a completely redundant comment. It's not biased to like something or be impressed with it. Max giving Sephiroth such massive scores don't have to be seen as biased when everything about them is genuinely really good. How did you find a way to be a complete tool on a completely positive comment?
Sephiroth has one of the most impressive final Smash, however for cloud he is clearly biased and for mention FF7 is also my favorite game of all time but cloud is meh...
never played ff7 but Sephiroth's special was dope(9 or 10/10)! Cloud was a point or two too high by being a 10/10(probably a 7 or 8 for me) and joker deserved a 9/10 or 10/10 imo or at least tied with Sephiroth. The chat imo for Kazuya was very biased(they said 9 or 10/10) and almost seemed like they were trying to please max by trying to be fans of the FGC(and in doing so to please max's love for FGC) and fortunately max still gave an honest opinion for Kazuya which was a 6 to 7/10 because 10/10s are way to high for that final smash even for tekken fans.
Max saying Cloud’s FS is a 10/10 “unbiased” because it recreated the scene from Advent Children… But he gives Joker FS, a recreation from Persona 5 with UI and visual flare, an 8/10… But of course “the references don’t make it more flashy”
@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 The issue I have is the “Unbiased” part. Max a lot of the times act like he is unbiased, but he is really not. Which is fine but just say something like “this is my opinion”
@@bigwave1713 The thing is no one can be truly unbiased. We as human beings think and express ourselves with any degree of feeling and depth no matter the circumstance. It’s ridiculous when someone is trying to say they’re being completely unbiased about anything when that isn’t true. There’s always a certain level of bias in anything.
Yeah a lot of people complaining Max rated things too low are fans of that thing. I assure you everyone in his chat ranking Kazuya's 8-10/10 were all Tekken fans. It's hard not to love the thing you love.
@@StarkMaximum I mean he definitely did rate Joker's FS too low. I'm not even a persona fan and I'm still impressed that they recreated the thing from the game and even gave it a unique win screen, if that doesn't deserve a 10 then I don't know what does.
Kazuya final smash would've been a 10/10 if he did his 10 hit combo into earth wind god fisting you into the air then finishing you off with devil beam. It's a 6 for me
3:19 It's mostly established on UI/visual flare 5:01 It's just really effective camera angles and really cool shots If it ain't exactly what P5 and the newer KOF are, respectively
He praises the Sephiroth one so much but its probably the worst "movie" one in this video. The timing is so damn fast it robs the explosion of any actual impact.
@@chowellith He's free to have his own opinions and biases. Though I wasn't criticizing Max either, just reaffirming these points because it exactly explains the design philosophies for the respective game's supers and thought it was interesting, with persona's limited animation combined with spectacular UI and FX design and what KOF14 and 15 does to enhance supers that otherwise would've just been a chain of specials
Dude I didnt forget that Piranha Plant is in this game, he's one of my mains! That little potted plant bastard is stupid fun for some reason and I love it
@@pumpdaddyg Most yes, but I'm also a Smash fan myself. Been playing Smash since the N64, I just don't interact with the community because I have no respect for it. When I see people threatening to delete the game over 1 character they don't like or didn't want out of 89, I completely stop listening to anything they have to say.
@@RokushoTheRavager imagine encountering a comment on a totally different game saying "you're opinion is shit because you're a fan of Sora in SSBU" like really? that's your counterargument to a comment about a mobile game that doesn't have anything to do with either Sora or Smash....
Joker is 8/10 despite being by far the most true to the original final smash in the game (only difference is the stars which is blood in the og game) but Sephi is a 12/10 with dollarstore supernova, alright....
@@ThaPlaya1994 He'd easily see the bait, lean into it, and give a fake reaction. This dude has been trolling anime and JRPG fans for years. He knows the game lol
Considering Joker's had different variants with different characters, voice lines and UI, and P5 all-out attack is stylish AF I'd rate it higher. But I am a Persona player.
I think the only other character with a final smash as good as Sephiroth's is Ridley's. The fact that he smacks the opponent onto the side of Samus' ship and then blows up the ship, killing Samus and whoever his opponent was, is so sick.
I mean it's hard to beat Sephiroth's cause it was essentially a flashier version of his Japanese Supernova from FF7 and he blows up the freaking sun and the Earth to get you.
There was an interview where Sakurai said their still working on more balance changes after Sora's release, but part of the team is already starting to transfer to different projects
It’s weird that there are 4 empty slots on the character select. That bugs me. Uneven Character Selections bother me. I just feels like a 3rd Season with 4 characters was planned but scrapped.
Cloud's is like a VII/X It should have been a cutscene with zoom ins against Sephiroth. It's no different than any other slash rush if you dont get the reference.
Honestly, it’s pretty basic. There are so many better supers. I even like that it’s a Advent Children Reference, but it doesn’t ignore that it’s another slashy Smash. He should of gave it the same rating as greninja or Ike. I assume he gave them average rating cause he doesn’t care for those franchises, yet the smashes are identical to Clouds
Sephiroth's final smash doesn't take a whole 2 minutes to complete so I'd say that should drop it down to 11/10 for not being as faithful to the original. SMH
What a nice fella, that Sephiroth guy. Sending a meteor to smash into and destroy a planet, such a kind gesture. The thought and effort, that’s just so unbelievably kind.
My favourite part about Sephiroth's final smash is that the first shot perfectly recreates the battle with Safer Sephiroth with both the camera angle and where the characters are standing, espeically if you manage to hit 3 opponents with it, they stand there exactly like the party in FFVII does right before they get Supernova'd
Max, I love you to bits, but if you're really about to claim Joker's final Smash isn't a 10 while also saying Omnislash Very. 5 is, just... Naw bud, haha.
I know you’re a FF7 fan but to me Sephiroth’s final smash was too weak for how great the character was. It’s a 7/10 at best if you’re not being bias. Cloud’s better than his which is an 8/10. Other than those two which you were clearly bias for were all perfectly rated.
as a Sephiroth main and fan of his from 1997 as a 90s kid. they should've given only his 7p and 8p costumes the 97 super nova abridged version while every other costume uses that vicious execution combo he does at the end of advent children complete. the modifier could've been that even at low percentile if you use it before Sephiroth sustains enough damage, you enter a more powerful version of the one winged angel form that lasts temporarily at the cost of the install version being forfeit for 1 stock.
ultimately it's good but considering Smash Ultimate Sephiroth is technically very likely Advent Children Complete Sephiroth, it should've been his to even to this day unnamed aerial ascension winged pokes of doom that ends in a very violent slam.
Buster Wolf getting an 8 was robbery. The impact in that super is sublime. I think it damn sure stands up there with Cloud's "Ragnarok, except he actually did it first".
@@Zangelin Imagine if we got all three house leaders hitting you with their signature crit lines before Byleth does their thing. That shit will always be disappointing.
I feel like Joker's final smash was wrongly judged compared to Sephiroth's. In terms of representation and creativity, Joker's final smash is arguably the best. 10/10. It is short, sweet, and simple. Straight to the point like how Sakurai intended each final smash to be; needless to say, it does its job. The creativity is unique in a way, that coupled with the near-perfect representation it has, it rips the finisher straight out of the source game. Even going down to including the splash screen in the results if pulled off correctly, something that most of the final smashes do not have. And also considering how big of a deal Joker was with his inclusion, Joker set the high standard of what a DLC trailer/representation/inclusion is.
If there was a minuscule chance of Sephiroth having a special Final Smash where they just recreate the entire Super Nova cutscene, _that_ would be the best in the game. But it’s like super low odds like Stone Kirby turning into the Mario or Samus statues in Super Star.
Remember guys, the numbers are made up and the scores don't matter In other news, I do think they barely put effort for Byleth, like ngl at least make it worth a slot over other potential characters
Pyra 5/10 Mythra, my feelings haven't changed either way 6/10.... Personally I like Pyra's a lot more. It's a bit faster into the final blow, you get a ridiculously big fire sword and a volcano. Mythra's starts up more slowly and it's supposed to be a rain of lasers but the slow falling light balls in a narrow cone just look a bit goofy.
Joker to me has no question the best final smash in the game, it's a 1 to 1 recreation of persona 5 and the way it affects the winning screen on top of that is just * chef's kiss * BUT, I'd would argue that Sephiroth's is easely the second best Min Min's underrated Plant's is a nice callback to Brawl Byleth's decent despite my hatred for the character Pyra's just ass
Pyra and Mythra’s final smash looks better in Xenoblade 2 tbh. I’m surprised Sakurai went the spoiler free route instead of making the final smash Infinity Blade
I wouldn't be surprised if its worse looking because they had to make two final smashes instead of the usual one. Infinity Blade would easily be on par with Sephiroth's but its too much of a spoiler
What hurts all the Xenoblade supers is they COULD do a lot of crazy cool stuff...but then that would spoil MAJOR elements of the games' plots. So they stick to stuff you pick up early in the games' stories, which are cool but not crazy interesting.
@@dnmstarsi just think the being locked in a building, with zombies, creepers and dynamite is a nice cinematic. The Steve eating meat thing is weird but I like the cinematic of the first person POV shot used too
@@SCHeartless Yes but remember, he is a FF7 fan. It's one of his favorite games of all time so it makes sense that he would be VERY biased about Cloud. Minecraft? Yeah, not so much. It looks fine but to him, it's not that impressive.
As an Fan of Minecraft, I'll say it's 9/10 Cuz it's litearlly reference to "How to troll your friends" videos and I love it, I used to watch them all the time lol. I say they could've done better but it's still a great Reference IMO.
@@cyburn9986 Yep, because I find the male version bland and boring looking, plus I ship her hard with Dimitri. Also Female Byelth is hot, especially in her bikini from Heroes.
I don't really care about rating Everyone Final Smash but I can say My Half of my favorite mains are: Sora, King Dedede, Pit, Link, Young Link, Toon Link, Meta Knight, Ice Climbers, Snake, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Fox, Falco, Ryu, Ken, Terry, Ike, Marth, Mario, Luigi, Sonic, Joker, Hero, Banjo & Kazooie, Cloud, Sephiroth, Pyra/Mythra, Kazuya, Mewtwo, Lucario, Pikachu, Pichu, Shulk, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Byleth, Incineroar, Ness, Lucas, Yoshi, Peach, Daisy, Rosalina & Luma, Zelda, Palutena and Lucina. There I said it.
“An unbiased 10/10 at the start” I SECOND THE MOTION! The fact Sakurai gave Cloud a second FS and it is one that pay homage to Advent Children complete with the camera work is just… *french chef kiss*
As a Smash player who only bought Kazuya and Sora, here's how I rate the Final Smash. Joker: 10/10 Hero: 7/10 Banjo: 8/10 Terry: 9/10 Byleth: 6.5/10 Min Min: 7/10 Steve: 5/10 Sephiroth: 8/10 Pyra & Mythra: 8/10 Kazuya: 10/10 Sora: 8/10 And that's just me holding back my bias for this character and his series. With bias: 15/10
there were balance patches after bayonetta released in ssb4 to make her very slightly less ludicrously broken, so there is a chance that there could be more balance changes
Max: “A one for one creation of advent children? Unbiased 10/10!”
Also Max: “A one for one recreation of joker’s all out attack? That was ok 8/10.”
Max: The references don’t necessarily make it better…
Also Max: OMG HE USES THE ICONIC ATTACK FROM FINAL FANTASY VII 12/10
“The lore doesn’t make it any better” Sephiroth turns into a JPEG “OMG HE USES THE SOLAR SYSTEM TO FUCK YOU UP”
@@captainnwalps6689 I love the mental image of Sephiroth turning into a 200ft 2010-era meme JPEG as his ultimate attack
I think what greatly affected the rating was the fact that it took 30 min just to set it up for the special ending that he got tired and had high expectations for it in the end to be worth all the effort.
It's unfortunate since I think it's one of the best ones imo as well, and I didn't even finish the game yet.
Max is so biased he can't hide it
The fact that they perfectly recreated Persona 5's all out attack even including different victory screens if you win the battle with it is absolutely a 10/10
Yea I was pissed how he didn’t put joker as 10/10 but cloud did
@@K7TZ because he’s biased towards ff7
Easily 10/10 I agree, I even love the fact that the sparkle effect for when Joker pulls his glove down in his iconic pose, that it should be blood, so the fact to see like Steve, Sora, Sepiroth, etc. just bleeding to death, and instant, “GAME!”, I just find that funny lmao-
Not perfectly
They sped it up for a pointless reason
What makes Steve's final smash so great is the random as fuck zombie caught in the cobwebs making the scene look like Sakurai just built and recorded the scene authentically in minecraft itself.
That's exactly what he did, you can tell it's just a Minecraft recording and it's amazing.
The only thing about it I'd change is having Steve look on at the destruction while eating the steak, instead of facing the camera. Maybe at the end, have him turn towards it.
@@RekRakJat But cool guys don't look at explosions. :X
@@sinteleon ^This.
@@RekRakJat if he was looking at the explosion that would take away the badassery
Never noticed that at all but it makes a lot of sense.
Bro, the effort it took for Joker's Super lmao
😂😂😂 should have been included
How did it take that much effort? It's just killing someone with it on the last stock?
@@JojoDigitalArtist The effort is in actually landing it. It's hard as hell. But when you land it, it's well worth it as a persona fan.
@@deco7217 if I remember right you can't use it in training mode or it ends differently or something like that?
@@JojoDigitalArtist like 30 minutes of setup and then he missed so he had to redo it all
Max using the vine boom shook me more than it should've.
Wait, when did that happen? I might just desensitized to it at this point and didn't notice honestly.
@@jojak0512 0:54
You got a time stamp?
I thought he hired an editor to compile his TH-cam vids?
Isn't it called the THUD SFX?
Did Max REALLY cut out the part where he spent like FIVE MINUTES trying to get Jokers super on Mario??? Lmao.
The rage when he missed needed to be immortalized
@@runningwithscissors8612 everyone in chat was hilarious
Unintentional pun?
I was hoping to see the whiff that happened with Mario ! Why 😂
@@GucciPucciMIH wym
Joker and Sephiroth's final smash are my favorites.
All out Attack is stylish and Supernova is always a spectacle.
But without a doubt, all DLC Final Smash attacks are super flashy and cinematic. There's just something so cool about using a character's already familiar ultimate attack on another character.
You can use Supernova on a poor Pikachu. And that same Pikachu can use his gen 4's Volt Tackle on Ken Masters, and so on and so on.
I feel like we don't appreciate these as much.
Yo Videogames certainly does, thats why their smash content is my favorite, no over analyzing things like frame data, just some dudes having a literal "Blast" with the game.
They put the effort to remake safer sephiroth when we haven't seen his angelic form for over 20 years
Yeah, reminds me of the DLC supers of Samurai Showdown for comparison. The DLCs, even the weak ones in Min-Min and Pyra, were decent. Joker and Seph supers are just so good
I think about that last part all the time
I was playing as Sora vs like Banjo or something on the Tekken stage and I was like "holy shit this is a real video game" and I have had these kinds of moments since Ultimate's release
We really don’t, it’s amazing honestly :)
Biases aside the best final smash is definitely Ridley. The Samus ship is literally in the background exploding and falling afterwards.
I also really enjoy K.Rool's for the sheer over-the-top of it all.
I have bias on ridley's because hes my main and my favorite character in metroid
@@aidenmb7932 same man
Max with FF7 stuff: "This is quite possibly the greatest thing humanity has ever achieved!! 69/10!"
Max with literally anything else: "Eh.. it was okay. 7/10."
Completely unbiased
And he’s correct
Joker will always be 10/10 regardless to me
It's the most flashy and sick looking super in the game
It's easy a 10/10 and I have not even played Persona 5, if Max talked about how Cloud is a 1-1 exact recreation from Advent Children and has a 10 then Joker should also have a 10 since it's also an exact recreation from P5
@@superbeta1716 he just said he was bias so I’ll let it slide.
He is ABSOLUTELY biased (which he is well within his right to be). He also knows absolutely nothing about Persona which probably influences why he gave it an 8 (I’m a persona fan who has never played 5 but that shit was a 10/10 all day and twice on Sunday).
@@djhero0071 I would give it a 10 but since I put 800+ hours into Persona 5 Royal, I saw it a billion times. So I gave it a 8/10.
@@superbeta1716
It’s Bullshit Blazing
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Max's face for that The Rock meme is great
Banjo, Joker, Terry, Sephiroth, Steve and Sora final smash are my favorites ones.
But Terry is just too badass.
The combination of Geyser, Dunk and WULF is just too awesome.
HERE IS THE BIG ONE
@@KevSB07 BUSTAH WULF
I just love how ferocious his voice is
POWWAAH GEEYZAAAA!!!!
For Hero it always stays the same except for the Hero you're playing as. The characters alongside Hero are the protagonists from the DQ games that didn't make it into Smash.
The only thing that changes is the scream that Hero makes.
Max: It was a Tekken 7 out of 10
Me: Dang, that was clean
All Out Attack is my favorite purely because of the extra detail of it cutting to the results if it K.O.'s everyone else on their last stock like the after-battle screen in Persona 3-5. It's fucking amazing. Sephiroth would be my favorite if it lasted a full minute like it does in FFVII
All Out Attack has probably the most effort put into it because of the different combinations of character portraits and voice lines used at random, as well as the detail of finishing a match with it
How Hero's was given a point higher than it is beyond me tbh
All this time, I never knew it did that on K.O. That's awesome!
Mega Man's final smash was so good they re-used it twice for the DLC characters.
As someone who's favorite franchise is Dragon Quest I'm glad they did. Mega Man has the best final smash from the roster and it's not even close
I mean it's a pretty cool idea. Getting every protagonist in a series come together for a grand attack is just pure awesome.
Can't blame them, those final smashes were a bunch of other characters beat the shit out of the opponent are the best ones.
How is Cloud's a ten and Joker's not a ten? C'mon Max... I love FF7 and I've never played P5, but that's just silly. Joker has the sickest FS in the game. It literally has a special ending.
If Joker wanted a 10/10, he should've recreated a scene from Final Fantasy 7 expanded universe material. That's just what it takes, Max doesn't make the rules.
joker is a 0/10 to me, just like everything else in his fighter pack.
@@青雷の戦士 nah, man. You are being too generous, Jokers stage isn't a compete 1/1 recreation of mementos do I'm gonna have to give his FS a -5/10
You don’t have to pretend Joker’s final smash is the best in the game. King K Rool and Ridley are literally right there lol
@PjaxKorea If there’s anything cooler than big lasers, it’s certainly not whatever the hell Joker’s final smash is…
Joker's super is a 12/10 to the people who played the game.
a shame his game is pedo bait
@@StyleshStorm A reminder that the game is also targeted against adults who are shit in society.
Played the game. It’s a 9 instead of 10 for the sparkles
@@StyleshStorm This makes zero sense to say
@@StyleshStorm uh.. what? huh? How?
With all the dlcs final smashes, they went pretty damn hard on the references to original games, and it pains me that max didn't really take into consideration the references for the games i actually like lol. The extra touch on joker's final smash is unbelievably cool, and it even changes depending on the color of mementos, like his other victory screen. And the fact that pyra and mythra got different final smashes, with each of them being their level 4 from the original game was pretty cool, but i think it would be cooler if they added in the effect of you finishing a chain combo with each of them, using the base combos of triple fire or triple photon or even the more complicated combos, who knows. A bit disapointed, but definitely a 7 at least
I've never played Persona but I feel like Joker's Final Smash clearly deserved a 10/10.
It's just the move from p5, with no changes. It would be like giving ryu's shin shoryuken a 10/10.
Man what
I felt like 8 was inflated, there isn’t any impact to it and the ending is literally nothing
The great thing about Smash is almost every Final Smash is a 10/10 to someone.
Like Joker is an EASY 11/10 for me being such a perfect recreation of the All-Out Attack combined with the fact that all of the P5 party members outside Akechi can show up during it. Then you add the special victory screen for killing with it and it's a 15/10.
So much love and attention to detail was put into this content that a fan of any series can look at their favorite character and just be proud of the work Sakurai and his team put into all of this.
Unless you're a sonic fan. Or a Kirby fan
Talk about biased towards Persona 5
@@pondscum9363 well, Sonic''s final Smash is Reference to Sonic Generations when you get S - Rank as Super Sonic. ıt's not an "Whoa" reference but it made me smile.
@@pondscum9363 Kirby's fs is fine. Who said otherwise
@@onewingedakuma6835 talk about a completely redundant comment.
It's not biased to like something or be impressed with it. Max giving Sephiroth such massive scores don't have to be seen as biased when everything about them is genuinely really good.
How did you find a way to be a complete tool on a completely positive comment?
I think Sheik actually has the coolest looking Final Smash in the entire game.
Sephiroth am I a joke to you
Safer Sephiroth hits you with the power of ALGEBRA!
I swear to god, your bias sometimes hurts my soul max.
Not fair, Sephiroth had an easy win because he is too biased to FF 7 xD
Well I mean even objectively it’s a 10/10. It’s like the best super in the game
Sephiroth has one of the most impressive final Smash, however for cloud he is clearly biased and for mention FF7 is also my favorite game of all time but cloud is meh...
Of course Sephiroth's is amazing but you know it's biased when he rates Joker's Final Smash lower than Hero's.
@@PortalTraveler true
never played ff7 but Sephiroth's special was dope(9 or 10/10)! Cloud was a point or two too high by being a 10/10(probably a 7 or 8 for me) and joker deserved a 9/10 or 10/10 imo or at least tied with Sephiroth. The chat imo for Kazuya was very biased(they said 9 or 10/10) and almost seemed like they were trying to please max by trying to be fans of the FGC(and in doing so to please max's love for FGC) and fortunately max still gave an honest opinion for Kazuya which was a 6 to 7/10 because 10/10s are way to high for that final smash even for tekken fans.
Max saying Cloud’s FS is a 10/10 “unbiased” because it recreated the scene from Advent Children…
But he gives Joker FS, a recreation from Persona 5 with UI and visual flare, an 8/10…
But of course “the references don’t make it more flashy”
“His opinion differs from mine, so he’s wrong” is what I heard.
Inhale that copium.
@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 The issue I have is the “Unbiased” part. Max a lot of the times act like he is unbiased, but he is really not. Which is fine but just say something like “this is my opinion”
@@bigwave1713 The thing is no one can be truly unbiased. We as human beings think and express ourselves with any degree of feeling and depth no matter the circumstance. It’s ridiculous when someone is trying to say they’re being completely unbiased about anything when that isn’t true. There’s always a certain level of bias in anything.
Am I the only one who saw the "unbiased" part as sarcasm?
Of course, everyone will grade the supers higher than they are for the characters we like.
Yeah a lot of people complaining Max rated things too low are fans of that thing. I assure you everyone in his chat ranking Kazuya's 8-10/10 were all Tekken fans. It's hard not to love the thing you love.
@@StarkMaximum that’s what I’m saying lol
@@StarkMaximum I mean he definitely did rate Joker's FS too low. I'm not even a persona fan and I'm still impressed that they recreated the thing from the game and even gave it a unique win screen, if that doesn't deserve a 10 then I don't know what does.
@@DeLuxonn after an AOA it’ll actually do that, that makes a 10 on the spot
@@DeLuxonn Wow they made the thing from the game, that’s unique and creative. Except wait it’s actually the opposite of that.
Kazuya final smash would've been a 10/10 if he did his 10 hit combo into earth wind god fisting you into the air then finishing you off with devil beam. It's a 6 for me
I really hope the best of 2021 video has the part where Max missed Joker's final smash and just stared at the camera. That shit was hilarious
3:19 It's mostly established on UI/visual flare
5:01 It's just really effective camera angles and really cool shots
If it ain't exactly what P5 and the newer KOF are, respectively
He praises the Sephiroth one so much but its probably the worst "movie" one in this video. The timing is so damn fast it robs the explosion of any actual impact.
@@chowellith At least its more visually interesting than byleth's.
@@Hatsworthful True
@@chowellith He's free to have his own opinions and biases. Though I wasn't criticizing Max either, just reaffirming these points because it exactly explains the design philosophies for the respective game's supers and thought it was interesting, with persona's limited animation combined with spectacular UI and FX design and what KOF14 and 15 does to enhance supers that otherwise would've just been a chain of specials
@@chowellith well that's just kunda wrong, but we can be wrong sometimes
I dropped everything to be here . I need this.
Same. I feel closure knowing Max gets to finally gets rate ALL the supers
3:08
Akechi: That's quite the funny joke. It makes me want to puke
Dude I didnt forget that Piranha Plant is in this game, he's one of my mains! That little potted plant bastard is stupid fun for some reason and I love it
I thought joker final smash would have been a 10 /10 based off the way Max uses persona sound effects in his vids lol
Watching this live was painful, the chat kept saying dumb stuff misleading Max into the wrong menus and settings
FGC fans when smash
That's why it went to emote mode several times, because Smash fans are complete morons.
@@RokushoTheRavager
MOST Smash fans are morons, not all of us are. Don’t put all of us with them
@@pumpdaddyg Most yes, but I'm also a Smash fan myself. Been playing Smash since the N64, I just don't interact with the community because I have no respect for it. When I see people threatening to delete the game over 1 character they don't like or didn't want out of 89, I completely stop listening to anything they have to say.
@@RokushoTheRavager imagine encountering a comment on a totally different game saying "you're opinion is shit because you're a fan of Sora in SSBU"
like really? that's your counterargument to a comment about a mobile game that doesn't have anything to do with either Sora or Smash....
this rating is basically, if it's not Final fantasy, it's mostly 8 and below.
Max: “you don’t remember that piranha plant exists”
Me (a plant main): “piranha who?”
Plant is my "for fun" main. If I'm not taking it seriously, it's Plant or Dedede.
@@zichithefox4781 dedede is my for fun character as well funny enough
@@kingkeeper3570 Hah, nice.
So when are we doing "Rate the Stages"?
Oh this would be neat
Interesting how the Square Enix characters got the best final Smashes.
Joker is 8/10 despite being by far the most true to the original final smash in the game (only difference is the stars which is blood in the og game) but Sephi is a 12/10 with dollarstore supernova, alright....
Man gave a j.peg the highest score, but gives Terry a lower score cut "its just camera work".
well you see Terry wasn't in FF7
Sephiroth having the best smash is rightfully deserved
Joker isn't from Final Fantasy, he's from Super Smash Brothers Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch
I wish there were patches to update final smashes because Daisy, Young Link, Robin, and Byleth really need it.
“From the popular Final Fantasy Series” your bout to piss of the whole fandom lol.
I want someone to call Cloud a Persona character unironically just to see Max's reaction.
@@ThaPlaya1994 he probably wouldn’t react
@@ThaPlaya1994 He'd easily see the bait, lean into it, and give a fake reaction. This dude has been trolling anime and JRPG fans for years. He knows the game lol
I feel like if Kazuya's had the explosion at the end like it did in T7, it could've been up a little more
Considering Joker's had different variants with different characters, voice lines and UI, and P5 all-out attack is stylish AF I'd rate it higher.
But I am a Persona player.
The fact that you give Piranha plant a 6/10 😭 it’s a ref to Subspace Emissary Piranha Plant
I think the only other character with a final smash as good as Sephiroth's is Ridley's. The fact that he smacks the opponent onto the side of Samus' ship and then blows up the ship, killing Samus and whoever his opponent was, is so sick.
I mean it's hard to beat Sephiroth's cause it was essentially a flashier version of his Japanese Supernova from FF7 and he blows up the freaking sun and the Earth to get you.
Joker is a 12/10 my fav imo
There was an interview where Sakurai said their still working on more balance changes after Sora's release, but part of the team is already starting to transfer to different projects
It’s weird that there are 4 empty slots on the character select. That bugs me. Uneven Character Selections bother me. I just feels like a 3rd Season with 4 characters was planned but scrapped.
Cloud's is like a VII/X
It should have been a cutscene with zoom ins against Sephiroth. It's no different than any other slash rush if you dont get the reference.
Honestly, it’s pretty basic. There are so many better supers. I even like that it’s a Advent Children Reference, but it doesn’t ignore that it’s another slashy Smash. He should of gave it the same rating as greninja or Ike. I assume he gave them average rating cause he doesn’t care for those franchises, yet the smashes are identical to Clouds
I see Clouds final smash and all I think is
"Oh look, it's just Ike's final smash again"
I'm not feeling these ratings overall.
But Joker's should've been 10/10 for its accuracy and unique flare.
Sephiroth's final smash doesn't take a whole 2 minutes to complete so I'd say that should drop it down to 11/10 for not being as faithful to the original. SMH
What a nice fella, that Sephiroth guy. Sending a meteor to smash into and destroy a planet, such a kind gesture. The thought and effort, that’s just so unbelievably kind.
Considering Xenoblade 2's entire gimmick is having tons of side party characters I find it insane they didn't get a MegaMan style Final Smash
I mean it makes sense. In the game, each Blade gets a super, and those were Pyra and Mythra's supers recreated very faithfully.
My favourite part about Sephiroth's final smash is that the first shot perfectly recreates the battle with Safer Sephiroth with both the camera angle and where the characters are standing, espeically if you manage to hit 3 opponents with it, they stand there exactly like the party in FFVII does right before they get Supernova'd
Max, I love you to bits, but if you're really about to claim Joker's final Smash isn't a 10 while also saying Omnislash Very. 5 is, just... Naw bud, haha.
Terry's is still my personal favorite. You're right about the utility, but it feels so good landing one of those for some reason.
I know you’re a FF7 fan but to me Sephiroth’s final smash was too weak for how great the character was. It’s a 7/10 at best if you’re not being bias. Cloud’s better than his which is an 8/10.
Other than those two which you were clearly bias for were all perfectly rated.
as a Sephiroth main and fan of his from 1997 as a 90s kid. they should've given only his 7p and 8p costumes the 97 super nova abridged version while every other costume uses that vicious execution combo he does at the end of advent children complete.
the modifier could've been that even at low percentile if you use it before Sephiroth sustains enough damage, you enter a more powerful version of the one winged angel form that lasts temporarily at the cost of the install version being forfeit for 1 stock.
ultimately it's good but considering Smash Ultimate Sephiroth is technically very likely Advent Children Complete Sephiroth, it should've been his to even to this day unnamed aerial ascension winged pokes of doom that ends in a very violent slam.
I frickin love terrys. "BUSTA WOLF!" just hits too good man.
People taking these ratings way too seriously lmao
It's kinda funny tbh. Probably more entertaining than the actual video
I feel like Max mis-remembers some of the base-game final smashes.
King Dedede's and Ridley's for example are fucking crazy cool
Buster Wolf getting an 8 was robbery.
The impact in that super is sublime. I think it damn sure stands up there with Cloud's "Ragnarok, except he actually did it first".
I'm still disappointed that Byleth's final smash doesn't summon all 3 house leaders to whoop your ass.
Byleths final smash is severely undercooked. There's so much they coulda done with it..
@@Zangelin Imagine if we got all three house leaders hitting you with their signature crit lines before Byleth does their thing. That shit will always be disappointing.
I feel like Joker's final smash was wrongly judged compared to Sephiroth's.
In terms of representation and creativity, Joker's final smash is arguably the best. 10/10.
It is short, sweet, and simple. Straight to the point like how Sakurai intended each final smash to be; needless to say, it does its job. The creativity is unique in a way, that coupled with the near-perfect representation it has, it rips the finisher straight out of the source game. Even going down to including the splash screen in the results if pulled off correctly, something that most of the final smashes do not have. And also considering how big of a deal Joker was with his inclusion, Joker set the high standard of what a DLC trailer/representation/inclusion is.
If there was a minuscule chance of Sephiroth having a special Final Smash where they just recreate the entire Super Nova cutscene, _that_ would be the best in the game.
But it’s like super low odds like Stone Kirby turning into the Mario or Samus statues in Super Star.
Skipped the ff7 segments since I already knew what he was gonna rate them. After reading the comments my assumption gets a 10/10.
Remember guys, the numbers are made up and the scores don't matter
In other news, I do think they barely put effort for Byleth, like ngl at least make it worth a slot over other potential characters
Sephiroth Mains everywhere: "Well done. See you at the *Reunion* "
Joker is From Persona 5
With Persona 3 4 and 5 Victory themes
Persona stage has different winning theme depending the stage color (p3, p4 & p5) which is for me, it's awesome detail!
Pyra 5/10 Mythra, my feelings haven't changed either way 6/10....
Personally I like Pyra's a lot more. It's a bit faster into the final blow, you get a ridiculously big fire sword and a volcano. Mythra's starts up more slowly and it's supposed to be a rain of lasers but the slow falling light balls in a narrow cone just look a bit goofy.
i think mythra would've been VERY improved just by adding a shot of mythra's huge ass mech in space before shooting down the light beams
@@Omnirok12 Yeah, would have been a big improvement. Also just changing the light balls to rays.
Joker to me has no question the best final smash in the game, it's a 1 to 1 recreation of persona 5 and the way it affects the winning screen on top of that is just * chef's kiss *
BUT, I'd would argue that Sephiroth's is easely the second best
Min Min's underrated
Plant's is a nice callback to Brawl
Byleth's decent despite my hatred for the character
Pyra's just ass
Pyra and Mythra’s final smash looks better in Xenoblade 2 tbh. I’m surprised Sakurai went the spoiler free route instead of making the final smash Infinity Blade
Also Sakurai: putting Fiora in Shulk's final Smash FOR NO REASON
Especially since in Xenoblade you can only have party of 3
I wouldn't be surprised if its worse looking because they had to make two final smashes instead of the usual one. Infinity Blade would easily be on par with Sephiroth's but its too much of a spoiler
I think the best part about Sephiroth's Final Smash is dependent on who you use it against.
Like he just detonates a Sun to kill a f*cking Pichu 🤣
Pests control is serious business.
What hurts all the Xenoblade supers is they COULD do a lot of crazy cool stuff...but then that would spoil MAJOR elements of the games' plots. So they stick to stuff you pick up early in the games' stories, which are cool but not crazy interesting.
The "I Hit You And Drag You Into The Pain Dimension" episode of Rate the Super
Plant's is unironically awesome, both as a Sunshine reference and a Brawl Subspace reference. 8/10 from me
Max’s bias on cloud is way too high. Joker and Steve shoulda been higher
Final Fantasy 7 fan, man. Joker I can get but Steve ain't as impressive as Advent Children reference.
@@dnmstarsi just think the being locked in a building, with zombies, creepers and dynamite is a nice cinematic. The Steve eating meat thing is weird but I like the cinematic of the first person POV shot used too
@@SCHeartless Yes but remember, he is a FF7 fan. It's one of his favorite games of all time so it makes sense that he would be VERY biased about Cloud. Minecraft? Yeah, not so much. It looks fine but to him, it's not that impressive.
@@dnmstarsi no I know. And it’s not like clouds super is bad by any means but it’s not that great to earn a 10. Sephiroth for sure deserves a 10
As an Fan of Minecraft, I'll say it's 9/10 Cuz it's litearlly reference to "How to troll your friends" videos and I love it, I used to watch them all the time lol. I say they could've done better but it's still a great Reference IMO.
Playing against someone who only played hero… it’s still badass… but we memed terry so much that it’s amazing
Sephiroth does have a sick super. Him, Terry, Kazuya, and Sora i enjoy their supers
"I have a good feeling about this one."
No surprises there.
course you'd give cloud and sephiroth 10 out of 10s, that's just fan boyism lol
As much as i love Maximilan Dood, i've got to agree on that, FF7 it's his favorite game of all time so, ya...
@@MrPrimoPT I love max aswell but anyone could've seen that rating from a mile away lol
Terry has my favorite final smash! I love how it feels to land
*My favorites are Cloud, Sephiroth. Pyra/Mthra, Byleth (Female Only), DQ Hero, Joker, Terry, Sora, and Kazuya.*
I Know DQ is Dragon Quest but my mind went to Dairy Queen.
Why byleth?
@@madmoxxi7397 Because Byleth is easily in my Top Favorite Nintendo Waifu's with a cool super, also the Trash Haters can suck it hard.
@@DURIEL1 of course you only like byleth because of the female alt….
@@cyburn9986 Yep, because I find the male version bland and boring looking, plus I ship her hard with Dimitri.
Also Female Byelth is hot, especially in her bikini from Heroes.
I don't really care about rating Everyone Final Smash but I can say My Half of my favorite mains are:
Sora, King Dedede, Pit, Link, Young Link, Toon Link, Meta Knight, Ice Climbers, Snake, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Fox, Falco, Ryu, Ken, Terry, Ike, Marth, Mario, Luigi, Sonic, Joker, Hero, Banjo & Kazooie, Cloud, Sephiroth, Pyra/Mythra, Kazuya, Mewtwo, Lucario, Pikachu, Pichu, Shulk, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Byleth, Incineroar, Ness, Lucas, Yoshi, Peach, Daisy, Rosalina & Luma, Zelda, Palutena and Lucina. There I said it.
King K. Rool murking you and whoever else on Donkey Kong's island out of spite is the best, the absolute Chad and the reference is amazing.
I literally never forgot Piranha Plant was in Smash
They're my main
The fact that Byleth’s png-ass ult was 1 point less than Jokers one-for-one recreation ult makes me question everything max has ever said
> Leads with Cloud's Omnislash Ver.5
That's probably the toughest act to follow.
"Im having a good feeling about this one" *ad plays*
Never realized Gramps has dialogue for Pyra and Mythra's final smashes.
“An unbiased 10/10 at the start”
I SECOND THE MOTION! The fact Sakurai gave Cloud a second FS and it is one that pay homage to Advent Children complete with the camera work is just… *french chef kiss*
Plus the advent children references in the sephiroth trailer were amazing as well
Never clicked on a Rate The Super faster in my life!
As a Smash player who only bought Kazuya and Sora, here's how I rate the Final Smash.
Joker: 10/10
Hero: 7/10
Banjo: 8/10
Terry: 9/10
Byleth: 6.5/10
Min Min: 7/10
Steve: 5/10
Sephiroth: 8/10
Pyra & Mythra: 8/10
Kazuya: 10/10
Sora: 8/10 And that's just me holding back my bias for this character and his series. With bias: 15/10
there were balance patches after bayonetta released in ssb4 to make her very slightly less ludicrously broken, so there is a chance that there could be more balance changes
This was a really biased list maxx! :D