So I talked to top.gg. They claim the increased ads were due to Black Friday. This does make sense but at the end of the day they are profiting off Mee6 driving people to their website. A pretty clear conflict of interest (although to the top.gg rep I talked to, this is not a conflict of interest). Not sure what type of ethics course they took but we definitely had different instructors. Anyways if you care to dive into it more, this article + rule number 16 is what people are upset about with Mee6 and top.gg support.top.gg/support/solutions/articles/73000502502-bot-guidelines Also please don't place bogus bids on top.gg. While it does harm top.gg, it also harms the good bot devs that use it to advertise their bot.
The moral of the story: learn to make your own bot. Many of the features MEE6 has are very easy to replicate, including premium features that they make you pay for. You also get the benefit of more customization if you make your own bot, and you can make it go along with the theme of your server. Even if you don't know how to code, it's easy to just go online and find templates. There's entire documentations going into detail on how to do many of the things a generic moderation bot can do, and to do things like levels you only need basic math skills, an understanding of intervals, and an understanding of the message event.
As a veteran bot developer myself I can't fully agree with this because those who don't fully know what they're doing are bound to make grave mistakes. And when those mistakes are related to something moderation (think, accidentally not locking commands down) you could be in serious trouble. Furthermore, discord already knows enough kitchen sink (I.e. do-it-all) bots and adding even more to the pool won't help anyone. At best you make your own bot a private one, but most people will instantly jump to a public one, if only because the tutorials they end up finding instruct them to do so.
@@favna If someone doesn't want to code or design tutorials for their bot (help menus are a pain, they're my least favorite part of anything), I'd say the best alternative is to find a few general purpose bots that total all the features they want in their server without needing to pay anything. As you've said, there are a lot of general purpose bots out there. I just personally believe in customization being more beneficial in the long run, but that's also coming from a personal bias as someone who's been coding for years. It's that same bias that fuels my disagreement with people paying for features that can easily be replicated with notepad in 10 minutes. I.e: leveling roles which MEE6 (last time I checked) forces people to pay for. There's a function in both DiscordJS and DiscordPY that adds a role, and all someone needs to do is add that to the level event. Whether you make a bot or not, I don't think simple features should require "premium membership", and as I mentioned in my previous post, someone without coding knowledge can still find some pretty useful templates. I thrived off stackoverflow when I first started making bots, and even though I made a lot of mistakes, it felt worth it to me when I was eventually able to make stuff for free that people would pay for.
This is exactly what I did. Developed my own bot that's only in my server and it does everything I want it to do: moderation, levels, currency, etc. No more relying on third-party bots I don't have 100% control over.
@@favna Can't believe you got a lot of votes just because you said "veteran bot developer" lol. Anyhow, can't you just say "I don't agree with this because the majority don't even know how to manage server permissions, much less be useful for the Discord ecosystem because there's already an existing bot that does what they want."
I suspect that reviewing bots is protected by a non-disclosure agreement due to the fact that potentially abusive bots could well pop up. It's also user-generated content which, for the reasons above, is slightly sensitive information if it's yet to be reviewed. Many sites have a similar policy, and I'd learned this when asking to view, for the sake of curiosity, the interface for viewing submitted reports. Reports (much like bot submissions) are confidential and hence the information must not be shared.
@@hi-kt3qr If there is no obvious way to unsubscribe, then it isn't a grey area. Discord is based in the US. US law states through the CAN-SPAM Act: "Despite its name, the CAN-SPAM Act doesn’t apply just to bulk email. It covers all commercial messages, which the law defines as “any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service,” including email that promotes content on commercial websites. The law makes no exception for business-to-business email. That means all email - for example, a message to former customers announcing a new product line - must comply with the law." And point 5 of the CAN-SPAM Act states: "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to recognize, read, and understand. Creative use of type size, color, and location can improve clarity. Give a return email address or another easy Internet-based way to allow people to communicate their choice to you. You may create a menu to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to stop all commercial messages from you. Make sure your spam filter doesn’t block these opt-out requests." Mee6 is breaking FEDERAL law. www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
hey! if your current adblocker starts to allow ads, there is either an option to opt out of the allowed ads or you could use a different one such as uBlock Origin(yes, with an origin, because uBlock was given away, while the ublock origin fork stayed the same). i hate to do this but... ...cool, people agree with my opinion!
@@tsuwu5260 I would still go for uBlock Origin. It's open-source and, if someone is really paranoid, one can recreate the extension themselves using the public repository.
At this section 9:08 the reason why they mentioned so many popular brands. Is because those are what are called "Tags" which are used on many sites that have a search system. Where they'll add names of popular brands in the description so they can attract users with out having to rename themselves all those popular brands.
Man the fact that theres a server offering cheats and free stuff with its main selling point being HYPIXEL SKYBLOCK COINS of all things, you can see they know exactly where all the naive players are, idk almost anyone in this game that hasn't been scammed at least once
If you level up, you get personal DM that contains ads. Therefore, it's not "unsolicited". So basically, you can spam users with ads when they do literally anything in the server. Oh, look! A user sends in a message. Let's have our bot DM this user, "Hey! X bot just saw you sent . Also, here's some ads:"
Actually, no. Federal US law, where Discord is based, states there has to be a clear and conspicuous way to opt out of ANY advertisement email. And in terms of FTC, email refers to ANY electronic mail message.
@@XarmenKarshov MEE6 is based in France. Also can you link me the FTC saying that email is any electronic mail? It just seems crazy that I would be breaking the law by spamming a TH-cam link to my friends
@@silitome3086 oh boy, if theyre based in france thats even better because EU law is more strict and they wont be able to use where they're based as an excuse to avoid complying, time to bring down the hammer
the definition of "unsolicited" is "not asked for; given or done voluntarily." This means when you level up with MEE6, you expect a level up message in ur DMs. That's fine. However, you did NOT ask for an advertisement in the DMs. They can give the level up notice. They cannot spam you with ads in that same notice. Once the advertisement gets introduced, is when it becomes unsolicited. People can handle a DM, but nobody willingly asks for an ad. Leveling up does not mean you agree to receiving advertisements.
How... how tf do you not have a gaming channel or a second channel? your hilarious af. (Yes this is my 3rd comment cause I don't like bots replying to my comments and I'm petty like that)
thankfully i blocked mee6 the first time it sent me a dm. if a bot sends me a dm, it's bye bye time because i'm not getting slugged by notifications sent by shitty dm bots which are completely useless 100% of the time
The cheap robux thing is actually a way for them to bypass roblox’s tax and turn it into real money instead of a 15% conversion after a initual 0.7x tax Most likely a scam either way
I posted this as a reply to someone but am going to post it as my own comment too so others see it. If there is no obvious way to unsubscribe, then it isn't a grey area. Discord is based in the US. US law states through the CAN-SPAM Act: "Despite its name, the CAN-SPAM Act doesn’t apply just to bulk email. It covers all commercial messages, which the law defines as “any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service,” including email that promotes content on commercial websites. The law makes no exception for business-to-business email. That means all email - for example, a message to former customers announcing a new product line - must comply with the law." And point 5 of the CAN-SPAM Act states: "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to recognize, read, and understand. Creative use of type size, color, and location can improve clarity. Give a return email address or another easy Internet-based way to allow people to communicate their choice to you. You may create a menu to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to stop all commercial messages from you. Make sure your spam filter doesn’t block these opt-out requests." Mee6 is breaking FEDERAL law. www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
Well, this is some crazy shit. Good job on finding all this information, MEE6 is completely in the wrong here and deserves to be removed, though I highly doubt it.
I really find boring and biased that toppgg always have the same apps on the top of their website. even the discord app directory itself is a bit more diverse
Lol have you considered the fact that November 24th is also Black Friday aka the highest day for advertising across the whole country? That's why there are takeover ads that day. Nothing to do with mee6. Also re auctions, you're obviously going to get better results on a discord bot site than on TH-cam for getting installs, hence people pay higher CPMs. The fact that you compare the two just shows how little you really know about this. The tin foil hattery here is pretty nuts. But congrats on the drama!
So can you help me on this quits or someone sent me like this inappropriate surgery and then I left discord and then somehow I gone to the surgery and then when I try to leave its ended all my friends that inappropriate server and half of the service that I was on banned me so can you make a video on that so people don't end up like me
I personally hate mee6. i build my own stuff. i dont have a problem with topgg at all, but if this is true then thats kindof wrong. regardless, business is business. on the staffing area, i participated as part of the staff team and signed an NDA, and i believe its because topgg wants to keep their reviewing/moderating process as private as possible. i dont have a problem with that either
i'm already preparing for the day mee6 dies. i got the cake, the party favors. and i know where i want to do it. we just need to wait for the fire to start. and its most likely gonna start soon
So I talked to top.gg. They claim the increased ads were due to Black Friday. This does make sense but at the end of the day they are profiting off Mee6 driving people to their website. A pretty clear conflict of interest (although to the top.gg rep I talked to, this is not a conflict of interest). Not sure what type of ethics course they took but we definitely had different instructors.
Anyways if you care to dive into it more, this article + rule number 16 is what people are upset about with Mee6 and top.gg support.top.gg/support/solutions/articles/73000502502-bot-guidelines
Also please don't place bogus bids on top.gg. While it does harm top.gg, it also harms the good bot devs that use it to advertise their bot.
bird is the word
Your my babygirl
@@ipoundmen69 He's your babygirl
@@casscritter definitely
who cares, they dm'd some people and made real money.
they slightly annoyed people for less than 5 seconds while making bank, not that big of a deal.
fun fact, MEE6 violates the Australian Spam act, they have to have an opt out feature for these kinds of ads and have to stop within 5 business days
pretty sure it violates multiple european spam laws aswell just for that reason
ASA
The moral of the story: learn to make your own bot.
Many of the features MEE6 has are very easy to replicate, including premium features that they make you pay for. You also get the benefit of more customization if you make your own bot, and you can make it go along with the theme of your server. Even if you don't know how to code, it's easy to just go online and find templates. There's entire documentations going into detail on how to do many of the things a generic moderation bot can do, and to do things like levels you only need basic math skills, an understanding of intervals, and an understanding of the message event.
As a veteran bot developer myself I can't fully agree with this because those who don't fully know what they're doing are bound to make grave mistakes. And when those mistakes are related to something moderation (think, accidentally not locking commands down) you could be in serious trouble.
Furthermore, discord already knows enough kitchen sink (I.e. do-it-all) bots and adding even more to the pool won't help anyone. At best you make your own bot a private one, but most people will instantly jump to a public one, if only because the tutorials they end up finding instruct them to do so.
@@favna If someone doesn't want to code or design tutorials for their bot (help menus are a pain, they're my least favorite part of anything), I'd say the best alternative is to find a few general purpose bots that total all the features they want in their server without needing to pay anything. As you've said, there are a lot of general purpose bots out there. I just personally believe in customization being more beneficial in the long run, but that's also coming from a personal bias as someone who's been coding for years. It's that same bias that fuels my disagreement with people paying for features that can easily be replicated with notepad in 10 minutes. I.e: leveling roles which MEE6 (last time I checked) forces people to pay for. There's a function in both DiscordJS and DiscordPY that adds a role, and all someone needs to do is add that to the level event.
Whether you make a bot or not, I don't think simple features should require "premium membership", and as I mentioned in my previous post, someone without coding knowledge can still find some pretty useful templates. I thrived off stackoverflow when I first started making bots, and even though I made a lot of mistakes, it felt worth it to me when I was eventually able to make stuff for free that people would pay for.
i am second in command of a server trying to replace MEE6, and while there is work being done on a new bot, it is still taking lots of time
This is exactly what I did. Developed my own bot that's only in my server and it does everything I want it to do: moderation, levels, currency, etc. No more relying on third-party bots I don't have 100% control over.
@@favna Can't believe you got a lot of votes just because you said "veteran bot developer" lol.
Anyhow, can't you just say "I don't agree with this because the majority don't even know how to manage server permissions, much less be useful for the Discord ecosystem because there's already an existing bot that does what they want."
"What's an NDA?
National Donut Association?"
I suspect that reviewing bots is protected by a non-disclosure agreement due to the fact that potentially abusive bots could well pop up. It's also user-generated content which, for the reasons above, is slightly sensitive information if it's yet to be reviewed. Many sites have a similar policy, and I'd learned this when asking to view, for the sake of curiosity, the interface for viewing submitted reports. Reports (much like bot submissions) are confidential and hence the information must not be shared.
Bro was struggling against pokimane 😭
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@@veganlife1710 The waffle house meme has run it's course, let it die already
@@PanmasterAtArms 31st of January or maybe a week early
@@PanmasterAtArms yolo swag
@@veganlife1710 unfunny
the fact discord is protecting stuff that is against their TOS
MONEY, as always😂
@@namenotfound2456 "In capitalism we trust!"
@@5thVecuALT lmao
The dm “advertising” is a grey area in the TOS
@@hi-kt3qr If there is no obvious way to unsubscribe, then it isn't a grey area. Discord is based in the US. US law states through the CAN-SPAM Act:
"Despite its name, the CAN-SPAM Act doesn’t apply just to bulk email. It covers all commercial messages, which the law defines as “any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service,” including email that promotes content on commercial websites. The law makes no exception for business-to-business email. That means all email - for example, a message to former customers announcing a new product line - must comply with the law."
And point 5 of the CAN-SPAM Act states:
"Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to recognize, read, and understand. Creative use of type size, color, and location can improve clarity. Give a return email address or another easy Internet-based way to allow people to communicate their choice to you. You may create a menu to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to stop all commercial messages from you. Make sure your spam filter doesn’t block these opt-out requests."
Mee6 is breaking FEDERAL law.
www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
hey! if your current adblocker starts to allow ads, there is either an option to opt out of the allowed ads or you could use a different one such as uBlock Origin(yes, with an origin, because uBlock was given away, while the ublock origin fork stayed the same).
i hate to do this but...
...cool, people agree with my opinion!
An alternative is Adguard. The Adguard app is paid, but the extension is totally free.
@@tsuwu5260 I would still go for uBlock Origin. It's open-source and, if someone is really paranoid, one can recreate the extension themselves using the public repository.
i just use adblock
AdNauseam is also incredible and basically undetectable
At this section 9:08 the reason why they mentioned so many popular brands. Is because those are what are called "Tags" which are used on many sites that have a search system. Where they'll add names of popular brands in the description so they can attract users with out having to rename themselves all those popular brands.
i think the fact that hes a youtuber would make him know what tags are
Man the fact that theres a server offering cheats and free stuff with its main selling point being HYPIXEL SKYBLOCK COINS of all things, you can see they know exactly where all the naive players are, idk almost anyone in this game that hasn't been scammed at least once
6:44 "my brother in Christ above I will not simp today"
7:28 "pokemane no"
Wise words
If you level up, you get personal DM that contains ads. Therefore, it's not "unsolicited". So basically, you can spam users with ads when they do literally anything in the server. Oh, look! A user sends in a message. Let's have our bot DM this user, "Hey! X bot just saw you sent . Also, here's some ads:"
Actually, no. Federal US law, where Discord is based, states there has to be a clear and conspicuous way to opt out of ANY advertisement email. And in terms of FTC, email refers to ANY electronic mail message.
@@XarmenKarshov so this isn't just discord TOS, this is proper lawsuit levels of issue
@@XarmenKarshov MEE6 is based in France. Also can you link me the FTC saying that email is any electronic mail? It just seems crazy that I would be breaking the law by spamming a TH-cam link to my friends
@@silitome3086 oh boy, if theyre based in france thats even better because EU law is more strict and they wont be able to use where they're based as an excuse to avoid complying, time to bring down the hammer
the definition of "unsolicited" is "not asked for; given or done voluntarily." This means when you level up with MEE6, you expect a level up message in ur DMs. That's fine. However, you did NOT ask for an advertisement in the DMs. They can give the level up notice. They cannot spam you with ads in that same notice. Once the advertisement gets introduced, is when it becomes unsolicited. People can handle a DM, but nobody willingly asks for an ad. Leveling up does not mean you agree to receiving advertisements.
Your channel reminded me of someone and I couldn’t figure it out until now. You remind me of someordanarygamers with the style of videos you make
back of the napkin calculations is what I'm gonna tell the IRS I did to figure out my taxes
love your videos man
true
We all do lol
Dude same no way
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@@veganlife1710 average 13 year old trying to be funny
2:05 how to empty your bowels every morning
How... how tf do you not have a gaming channel or a second channel? your hilarious af. (Yes this is my 3rd comment cause I don't like bots replying to my comments and I'm petty like that)
You could just not pay attention to replies to your comments.
ignore the bots and report them. if you write a comment many times you then risk to be the one being blocked by youtube filter
2:16 really thought the ad on the bottom popped up on my screen 🤣
Thanks for the interesting video, NTTS.
I simply have blocked mee6 and it's been that way for months
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@@veganlife1710 The orphanage center has found its new orphan.
@@veganlife1710 the mental hospital has found its new patient
@@veganlife1710 The school has found its new student
@@thansarproductions7602 This is the worst one 😢
"Pokemain no-" that really got me
I think at 3:48, that guy needs some UBlock origin
brooo your chrome looks so cool!
“Pokima~ Noooo!!”
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For sure xD
That's bloody brilliant, mee6bypasser 😂
yo, dont know if your already making a vid on this, but can you talk about the "vrchat terrorist organisation"?
8:01 "National Donut Association" ???
Yeah, this take makes total sense. Great video👍
8:03 NTTS Norwegian confirmed?
Btw Jönssonligan is the goat
jokes on them, i use opera, they aint getting a cent outta me
bro was fighting the voices in his head when seeing pokimane
gentlemen we must stay focussed
1:24 those are DarkViperAU Emojis like wtf?
I said GG five times and they BANNED me from this stupid game, cmon game, get your priorities right
thankfully i blocked mee6 the first time it sent me a dm. if a bot sends me a dm, it's bye bye time because i'm not getting slugged by notifications sent by shitty dm bots which are completely useless 100% of the time
Only some people noticed mythpat's server xD
I did not level up and got the annoying ad. Sadly I've ignored it and did not report it... I should've.
my balance is still negative on topgg lmao for over 1 year, still didn;t got banned
Top Heart Surgeon: This Simple Trick Helps Empty Your Bowels Every Morning
8:23 why do you have Norsk ads?
Hiding something from your audience?
i searched on the creator of mee6 and it was a guy called oliy and he isnt a discord staff
what chrome theme do you use?
Top heart surgeon 💀💀💀 bro what happened to your heart
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@@veganlife1710 i banish you to the "go cry to you dad" realm
Ahmm❤
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8:50 hypixel skyblock got so big that servers like this exists? damn...
The cheap robux thing is actually a way for them to bypass roblox’s tax and turn it into real money instead of a 15% conversion after a initual 0.7x tax
Most likely a scam either way
0:48 how did u get that little star on the left side
Linus Bid Tips
love it
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I have had mee6 blocked for about 2 years now
bro u uploaded at 2 in the morning, upload during thr day
it's 10 pm here lol
timezones
@@OldFalseDev yes
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@@veganlife1710 shut up
wassup bro
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I posted this as a reply to someone but am going to post it as my own comment too so others see it.
If there is no obvious way to unsubscribe, then it isn't a grey area. Discord is based in the US. US law states through the CAN-SPAM Act:
"Despite its name, the CAN-SPAM Act doesn’t apply just to bulk email. It covers all commercial messages, which the law defines as “any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service,” including email that promotes content on commercial websites. The law makes no exception for business-to-business email. That means all email - for example, a message to former customers announcing a new product line - must comply with the law."
And point 5 of the CAN-SPAM Act states:
"Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to recognize, read, and understand. Creative use of type size, color, and location can improve clarity. Give a return email address or another easy Internet-based way to allow people to communicate their choice to you. You may create a menu to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to stop all commercial messages from you. Make sure your spam filter doesn’t block these opt-out requests."
Mee6 is breaking FEDERAL law.
www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
Do you Dislike Dyno? Or is it just Mee6?
well i got about 6 discord servers and just removed that bot
Why is the audio so bugged
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@@veganlife1710 s h u t
Well, this is some crazy shit. Good job on finding all this information, MEE6 is completely in the wrong here and deserves to be removed, though I highly doubt it.
great video
use ublock origin instead of ablock
No
Did my other comment get auto-deleted? Rip
34 likes with no views???!!!??? Isanes
Likes sync in realtime, but views don't thats why....
TH-cam just didn’t sync, it does every 3/4 minutes
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@@veganlife1710 just no.
Back to 2015 huh
You should lock your door now.
where my money lebowski!
I was promesse 100$
Good video
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I really find boring and biased that toppgg always have the same apps on the top of their website. even the discord app directory itself is a bit more diverse
Funny i never heared of top gg until i watched your videos
damn i was never this early before
agree
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i love you too
wtf Destiny 2 cameo
Lol have you considered the fact that November 24th is also Black Friday aka the highest day for advertising across the whole country? That's why there are takeover ads that day. Nothing to do with mee6. Also re auctions, you're obviously going to get better results on a discord bot site than on TH-cam for getting installs, hence people pay higher CPMs. The fact that you compare the two just shows how little you really know about this. The tin foil hattery here is pretty nuts. But congrats on the drama!
shut up
skill issue
@@charleh.agree
meat muncher
Cope harder.
bro simping too much for pokimane
do you not use adblock?
Cool
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Top G
Early
Wassup
oh nah
So can you help me on this quits or someone sent me like this inappropriate surgery and then I left discord and then somehow I gone to the surgery and then when I try to leave its ended all my friends that inappropriate server and half of the service that I was on banned me so can you make a video on that so people don't end up like me
I personally hate mee6. i build my own stuff. i dont have a problem with topgg at all, but if this is true then thats kindof wrong. regardless, business is business.
on the staffing area, i participated as part of the staff team and signed an NDA, and i believe its because topgg wants to keep their reviewing/moderating process as private as possible. i dont have a problem with that either
The milk store has found its new dad.
Today I learned NTTS is Norwegian..
i'm already preparing for the day mee6 dies. i got the cake, the party favors. and i know where i want to do it. we just need to wait for the fire to start. and its most likely gonna start soon
ok
❤
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Very few TH-camrs are easy to contact, and your one of them. I wander if what I told
you would be a video 😅
no way topg
early
I didn't know ur norwegian :O
😳
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@@veganlife1710 fr
use ublock origin cmon
this is why i code my own bots
this happens alot to my server members and thats why i get many orders a day. i dislike mee6 alot
1st!
Not even first 😂
i dont really see the problem here
they are getting money from working smarter
#RoadTo250kSubs
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Fun Fact: I am the author of Mee6-bypasser.
Initially, that was a funny proof of concept.
Thanks for appreciating my bot being in the discovery there.
what is browser off topic ik
fr what browser is that
hi
topg
Hi
please notts use ublock origin its better
zoom in more my grandma cant see anything