Rolex Daytona: A Look Behind The Hype | A Week On The Wrist
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- The Rolex Cosmograph Daytona represents many different things to many different people, but one of the most common reactions to the watch is frustration. How this came to be is a story that goes back decades, all the way to the year 1963, when the first Cosmograph chronograph was introduced. The first Cosmograph, the ref. 6239, wasn't a hit straight out of the gate for Rolex - in fact, it sold sluggishly at first. However, in the 57 years between the launch of the 6239 and the writing of this story, the watch has undergone a tremendous technical evolution as well, making the new version of the Daytona the most advanced chronograph Rolex has ever produced - by a considerable margin.
How, therefore, did the Daytona come to be what it is today, and how can the evolution of the watch help explain its popularity? HODINKEE Editor-In-Chief Jack Forster takes a deep look at the latest version of the purist's Daytona: the steel-on-steel ref. 116500LN.
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Should change the title to a “A decade on the list”
😂😂😂👍👍
Hahahahaha
😂😂😂
Bruhhhh
Here we go again.
Not really a "week on the wrist" piece, this video.
yeah, he was talking about the watch's history more than how wearing it feels
people watching this will definitely buy this product and their opinions are unbiased
Agreed. However. I can't buy one. And I am biased.... Financially.
Just got mine today after 3 years of this being the grail …..and it’s amazing ……the toughest decision when it comes to the Daytona is what reference to get …and for me it was this one the 🐼
I got a perfect quality Fake one and everyone says it’s real and is soo impressed by it 💪🏽.
Gives me kudos
@@Max__apex how much does it cost for it?
@@melviness4769
I got real Rolex explorer now …. It is Cheap and good. About £500-1000
Wow!! Congratulations 🎊 Thats great🔥🔥🔥. Maybe I will receive that call one day lol
@@Max__apex why don’t you submerge your fake in water and see what happens. That’s when you’ll realize why the real thing costs so much
In short "It was like wearing a Rolex"
I passed on one in the early 70s bought a two tone Datejust instead The mistakes we make !!
I'm gonna make the same mistake soon and by a date just.. but its a mistake where I have no other choice..
We buy what we love. I've never loved the Daytona, but my Datejust is my favourite watch after 10 years and a couple hundred grand spent in this hobby.
In 1970 I was in Viet Nam with the US army. After a month in the jungle my cheap watch stopped working. At my next opportunity I went to the big PX in Da Nang to buy a new watch. There I saw a Rolex Oyster Date and a Bulova Accutron, at about the same price. Being a technological kind of guy, guess which watch I bought?
Rolex is like a Kim Jong Un of the watch world and the horology press are like North Korean journalists- just smiling and praising the dictator. Nobody dares to say anything bad about Rolex!
I just did in me comment above.
Found the Seiko 5 owner.
I think the Pagani Design homage is a far better choice....and its quartz too ..a major benefit.
Finally got mine, worth every penny as far as I'm concerned. Never had anything feel so special and every day wearable at the same time.
Did you get yours off the wait list or buy used? I’m currently looking at a used white dial from 2007 and considering it as a birthday present to myself
Everyday wearable as long as you wear gloves to cover it up.
Great job
God it’s an absolutely gorgeous piece.
@@RICHIELUXURY no, it's pretty gorgeous at any price tbh
I personally prefer the new 321 Speedmaster. Sure, the Daytona has the association with Paul Newman, and that's all good.. but now that Omega is pretty much producing the 321 Moonwatch again, it would be a pleasure to own the ostensibly EXACT Moonwatch.
@@RICHIELUXURY for the price tag its good, for second hand market price its meh
agree
@@rawhides
I don't really like the most Speedmasters, for me they are ugly... I think I like only one and that one cost even second hand like a new Navitimer... so I would buy the Breitling (if they have the wings again).
And I don't care about the moon stuff, so no argument for me.
Always the Paul Newman story, while the Rolex Daytona has been used in aviation and even was used on Space Shuttle Atlantis, mission STS-34 in October 1989 #MoonwatchUniverse
alongside a lot of casios... Its actually the Rolex brand that provides hype to the Daytona, other wise it would not be such a speculative item. Production standard is equal to a Speedmaster but price and organized shortages are just a marketing strategy to increase artificially the watch value. It is nowhere near the legitimate heritage of the submariner line that almost defined the reference style and specs for all dives watches to follow.
I wear a 2006 stainless steel white dial Daytona every day. In all the time I've had it on my wrist, only one person has noticed or mentioned it to me and he is a close friend. I;m not sure if it simply doesn't stand out or if people just don't know or care what it is. Regardless it is a fantastic piece of hardware and I am forever greatful for the privilege of owning and wearing it. I may never take it off.
That’s the best thing about most Rolex watches. They are very under the radar if you don’t follow watches.
Have you ever considered a 116500? I do love the white 116520 myself.
I’d Iike to walk into a Rolex dealer and buy that new Daytona for $13150 and walk out of there the same day. Chances are that won’t happen. In fact by the time it comes into the store with my name on it it’ll cost me $20,000 new and it’ll be 5 generations later than when I originally walked in the store.
I have mixed feelings about this watch. My brain says its nice but my heart says its not worth the hype.
I hope you guys didn’t source this particular watch from Horology House. Otherwise, I would check the watch out at Rolex boutique if I were you😅😉
More information, please!
Why do you pretend to be AP?
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Or HQ Milton in San Francisco.
Love The Panda one of my favourites of all time.
not a fan of daytona, think its insanely overrated....but also not a fan of chronos
OMG-this is a total marketing video
Jacks summation “in other words I was wearing a Rolex” could be a tag line in a magazine ad. Spare yourself and watch something else.
Watchfinder’s Daytona videos are the gold standard. This is lazy salesmanship
Agree that it's overrated. The whole business of "scarcity", wait lists and preferred customers is a huge turn-off. Granted for those with the wherewithal and clout get one, good for them. It's a pretty watch for sure, but not worth the time, money & energy it takes for the average enthusiast to acquire.
Terrific watch BUT like so many of today’s so called luxury watches it is way over priced, not to mention these ‘fabricated shortages. That part is disgraceful.
@@npcforyou What are you comparing it too when you consider it overpriced though? Find me another automatic chronograph, with as much pedigree, and from a brand as valued as Rolex that comes in at 40mm and 12.2mm thick for $15.5K CAD. You won't. The Daytona is often compared to the Speedmaster and sure, the Speedy is about 40% the price of a new Daytona. However, by all quantifiable measurements, i.e. technical watch specs, the Daytona is a better watch in every conceivable way. So I'm just curious as to what you're comparing the Daytona to when you say it's overpriced. If you're referring to the price on the secondary market, then yes I completely agree. I would choose to be patient and wait for it to come at an AD.
@@npcforyou “Fabricated” shortages is one of the most perpetuated myths in the watch collecting community. The reason there are shortages is because when the steel, sports watch popularity exploded about 6 or 7 years ago, Rolex chose not to ramp up production to meet the demand. Why? Because they are a not-for-profit company that is owned and operated by a family trust and charity called the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation. Rolex is not publically traded which is why they are not obligated to release information on the operations and finances to the public. This is why they are shrouded in so much secrecy. But, this is also why they are not looking at profit margins and the bottom line. They have no shareholders to answer to and have no interest in profits. Rather Rolex’s primary focus is on building high quality watches and protecting the legacy and heritage of the company. The popularity increased but production did not. And THAT is, in fact, why there are these absurdly long waitlists at retailers. It’s not some grand conspiracy between Rolex and their authorized retailers. It’s simply a result of the business model Rolex operates within. Basic supply and demand. Nothing more, nothing less.
It’s not that expensive... not sure what the issue is
@@花旗陳冠希 Most people do not appreciate paying 3-4x retail! Money is relative but psychologically people want to feel like they got a deal, not screwed over in the grey market at 3 times retail prices.
They should just discontinue this watch like the blue 5711. It’s just too hot.
I wonder if the future Daytona collector auctions will be as profitable in view of the proliferation of super replicas of the current version of this watch. I think a lot of the hoarding being done by speculators today is going to end in tears.
Not the most legible of watches so not for me. Interesting to see all the hype over models like this 🤔
I'll never understand the hype for Rolex's watches. Very simple models, movements, complications, ok design, good materials... But wtf
I too never got the allure of a Rolex during my early watch collecting. The more you read and Lear, the more you appreciate what Rolex does well. Certainly not haute horological except the Sky Dweller. But once you handle one and you put one on the wrist and it just feels “right”...you immediately get it. They are one of the most comfortable watches to wear, bulletproof/reliable, amazing quality and they simply make you feel good.
I think what does it for me is the combination of the bezel, dial, and color schema. The glide lock is great and there are a lot of aftermarket straps available. I look at a Vacheron overseas or most AP/PP models and see a basic ass watch...you can get $100 watches that look like them (not that there aren’t Rolex homages either). Everyone likes to bitch about Rolex but they are the gold standard. I’d be more interested to understand why people circle jerk over grand seikos
That's the Dink and the Rodent uploading two seemingly random Daytona reviews in the same week. Something's afoot.
@5L only flaw with this theory is it assumes basel is happening
I did it too, yesterday. Nothing planned I promise haha
That crown reflection on the second hand at 4:54 is insane.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that!!
I agree, its a great watch with awesome histort, I adore the stainless steel versions and the new ceramic models, but indeed as you said its still a watch - one that I wouldnt pay over retail for :)
Thank your local rolex store for that because they literally don't ever have 1 watch 8n store because they are pumping them out the back to Julio and manny
@@ThePaintwurks how does this exactly work? I’m obviously not in the market for a Rolex lol but how long would I need to wait if I went to a Rolex store and ordered a Submariner for the list price?
in other words...just get a Seiko Japan made watch for 1% of the cost.
I'd listen to Jack read the phone book.
And you were wearing a small fortune as well.
Try being a bit original and stop pretending there are only 5 watches worth while
The ceramics are scratch proof but the 904L is far from it. Scratches when the wind changes direction.
It’s now the only monoblock ceramic daytona ever ….
The only asymmetric case Daytona - to optically balance the mass of the pushers the lug is smaller on this side
Hold on to it if you have one - this will be a future icon in the Daytona lineup!
One you've seen it you can't unsee it - the lug widths are different between the left and the right!
0:48
Thank you for confirming
I know it would likely never happen, but I would love to see Rolex release a Daytona with a cleaner dial by simply removing "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified". Even move that verbiage to the case back by engraving it in a concentric fashion. It would make an amazing watch even that much better.
I definitely agree with you 👍
Aaand that's why you don't work for Rolex !
Nope lol
One of the best watch videos, I have seen! Great work!
It’s rather disappointing that you did not mention that the second track is wrong on the Daytona’s dial. The movement is beating at 28,800 vph, or 8 ticks per second. Yet second markers are divided by 5 slots instead of 4. So when you use the chronograph function, you actually can’t read precisely where the second hand stopped and tell what lapse of time... you timed. So long for having a precise chronograph.
This watch surely is a great watch, but this little detail keeps the watch geek in me thinking Rolex did not design this watch to be a true chronograph but rather just a jewelry piece.
Timmy Wolfy buy a Grand Seiko with a Spring Drive movement if you want precise placement of the chronograph hand.
nathantw or anything el primero based like older daytonas
Timmy Wolfy
This is really only relevant if you’re extremely OCD, since human beings have a reaction time of about 2/10 of a second, the difference You describe is meaningless in terms of actually recording time. Eating that the watch is plenty accurate for its intended purpose.
Itsalgud1 you don’t seem to understand. It’s not about being OCD, it’s about designing a chronograph dial that you CAN’T READ. It’s a total non-sense to print fifths of a second on your dial if your movement is beating at 4Hz. They just printed markers where the chronograph second hand will NEVER stop. Congrats.
Timmy Wolfy You’re right, that they had never actually stops at the exact point that you would like it too, but it’s a relevant because it stops very close to that point, and so close to that point that the difference does it matter.
nice ad
Do you guys think the explosion of value has something to do with the media exposure, coverage, of the watch?... In some part?
Absolutely
100%
Pity you can’t buy one. Good sales tactic, a watch store with no watches.
...we need a "lightweight" Daytona... brushed steel bracelet, no shine, fewer words in the dial, steel bezel...
That’s the Tudor
Can’t afford it so I get a platona, love the hefty and blue dial
What a fantastic video about this truly iconic piece!
Good luck buying one at a dealer .
BeerManSF - gotta go after market. - crazy expensive.....yikes
It's a great watch. Just overvalued AF.
I like this watch, video , Jack and channel. I don't hold all the hype, the high auction price, anything else against this watch. This watch will survive any and all negativity and will improve with time. If ya can afford one I highly doubt you would ever regret owning and enjoying it. Thank you Jack, a week well spent.
Love Hodinkee, but they may as well test ride a unicorn for the week.
Nice vid! But it’s like everybody is making this week a video about the Daytona...
You mean in the Daytona 500 week? What a coincidence!
Enrico Buscaroli who cares about the Daytona? When people can watch the Champions League..
@@canerbatman2303 It's not the Rolex Cosmograph Camp Nou though
🤣 Guilty
There are better watches for better money than Rolex. Unfortunately many people who buy Rolex don't want a watch. They are not watch enthusiasts. They want Rolex. Most of them are either flippers or posers.
Would love to see a throwback version to the 60s. 👌🏼
With automatic mechanism... The original required winding the spring, didn't it?
Amazing chronograph. Too bad it is basically unattainable unless you are really willing to really go the distance.
In the guitar world, which has obvious similarities as well as obvious differences, our equivalent is the '59 Les Paul.
It's not right or wrong, it just is. Market forces, Clapton, Keef, Bloomfield, Moore, etc. etc. etc.
What you really need to do is ask yourself a question: what do I want?
you left out that it is really hard to actually read the time on the damn thing.
It is addressed at 5:03
I have the black dial version. Both colours are not as easy to read as the Omega Speedmaster. The Daytona wears too small. The dial could gain valuable space and the red writing could be more visible if the hands did not cross over beyond the fulcrum point.
6:13: “What’s it like to actually wear?”
See below for his answer
7:21 “I was wearing a Rolex”
Great watch but can't afford anyway..even you can afford you can't access to it unless you paid way over retail price or have good relationship with AD..
The Daytona just doesn’t do anything for me.
Cosmograph on the dial in 1963
seems to have been part of the bid
to become NASA's official watch
of the space program.
But lost in 1964, hence Daytona was added
Actually, it's 116500. Not 11650 😂
Bit of a controversial opinion...........
I’m not a fan of the Daytona, to bulky and the face isn’t as aesthetically pleasing as a Speedmaster let’s say
EDIT THIS TO SAY DIAL NOT FACE OR YOUR GONNA SEE EVERYONE TALK SHIT AT YOU FOR LIKE 6 WEEKS!
Agreed, I specifically dislike how the bezel looks
It's called a dial dang it!
@@GoalerPro750 Happy to oblige.
The speedy is bulkier than the daytona...
I bought my Stainless Daytona with a white dial back in 2015. The newer generation of watches have really priced me out from this luxury category.
If you could buy a new one in 2015 you can afford a new one in 2022. At msrp at least.😁
@@bigc208 I could afford one in 2015... def couldn't in 2022 and that is even with a $40k increase in salary over the 8 years.
get the two tone version if u dont wanna pay a huge premium
Love you stuff Hodinkee, big fan!
Just wanted to let you know that during Jack's narrative of the Daytona history, the stuttering sliding watches (1:11 and onwards) made me kinda nauseous. :(
Can someone please explain why a Omega Speedmaster is that much cheaper?
R-O-L-E-X ......Nothing less and nothing more!
The value of an object is very subjective. Rolex is the most famous brand, it has a sort of "aura" around it for collectors and especially for normal people. Omega is amazing but doesn't have that much hype around it.
My guess is that after the speedy pro is updated with the 3861, the difference won't be as great. But yes, it's down to ROLEXROLEXROLEX
I prefer the speed master including its history
Because Rolex is in every important way a vastly superior watch.
Now that´s nice timing haha, I dropped my review yesterday :)
@5L No, we don´t use Leica. For video we use Black Magic and for photography I use my Canon 5DSR.
@Mark Michael Hi, my name is Marko, nice to meet you Mark.
True story: I walked into my local Ben bridge and always talking watches for a few months they offered me this Daytona and I took it. Yes at retail
Same. I waited only a few months for my white dial. Only a few weeks for my black dial. A few more months for my blue Sky-Dweller. I also own the yellow gold emerald green dial Daytona. Relationships. They get to know you and trust you...and like you...and the waiting list starts to vanish. ;)
damachine3 agree... great collection. I now have 17 rolex so far
@@damachine3 What city?
@@roger5621981 Awesome. I think I'm at 36 Rolexes right now (need to count again!)...and one Audemars Piguet Royal Oak and one Patek Philippe Nautilus (soon to be two).
Roger Alvarado is that the one in Scottsdale, AZ?
God I am so happy I am not an idiot. I was allocated 116500 in 2018 and flipped it immediately for 17500 EUR. I made 8000 EUR profit and bought a second hand Omega Speedy for 3000 EUR. With extra 5000 EUR I traveled to India for a month and discovered the whole India and its wonderful culture, a truly priceless experience. In a way I am thankful to Rolex for making it happen, because without their marketing as a 24 year old I would never be able to experience India as I did. Plus I have the iconic chronograph on my wrist that brings smile to my face every time I look at it. Oh yes, and my 9500 EUR I converted to USD and on advice for my friend who works in Netflix I put my money into Netflix shares that are now almost 50% up since I bought them in December 2018.
I waited only a few months for my white dial. Only a few weeks for my black dial. A few more months for my blue Sky-Dweller. I also own the yellow gold emerald green dial Daytona. Relationships. They get to know you and trust you...and like you...and the waiting list starts to vanish. ;)
damachine3 Rolex loves people like yuuu
money talks for u i guess
I love Rolex, own three, but the Daytona just doesn't do it for me... Is it just me? Not saying it's not a nice watch though. Good video.
Canada_watch I hate the modern white dial ceramic bezel. The all black one is nice but I couldn’t imagine paying double list price to get one
It's just too busy, aesthetically
It’s not worth the crazy AD price of $13,150 for a steel mass produced watch
sold my steel daytona weeks ago after having it since 2008. Don`t miss it. bought 3 nice new watches from that money:)
When are you guys going to be on the Scottish Watches podcast?
it's beneath them.
@5L yeah i get it, we all saw that video where he doesnt use the leica in the shoot and we all heard the podcast where the SW guys went to town on that photoshoot and correctly showed how disingenious that video was, and yet it would still be beneath them to be on SW.
Daytona or El Primero? Hmm.. I don't know why I asked this question..I dont even have money for any of those two LoL
Fortunate to have bought one from my Rolex AD after 2 1/2 year wait. $12,400 and was promptly offered $19k. It’s my favorite watch and I wear it regularly. A fabulous watch.
Stephen Sales ....congratulations!......last week received my Panda.....we’ve got great investment value
I’m a preferred customer so only waited a couple of weeks. I was asked to pay 16500 cash. Happily did so.
No date 👎🏽
I have a white faced oyster Daytona purchased in 2000. I love it, it’s classy and comfortable. But I only wear it on my days off. Sadly I use an Apple Watch on work days for ease of communication with my team.
Man these Pagani design homages are getting crazy, If Rolex keeps it up they can be a big name one day
Lol, Rolex actually released the smurf submariner (black dial, blue bezel), AFTER Pagani released PD-1661 with the same colours.
Pagani's are also getting better and better, the sub 40mm, Daytona and Seamaster 007 are their current best homages for the value.
@@Godotlv5000 indeed pagani is getting better and better only thing against them is the lack of q.a but overall decent afforable timepieces.
There’s a list to get on the list and once on the list, its 10 years minimum. I couldn’t get on the list to get on the list and I just bought an Oyster Perpetual for my wife! I have a Speedmaster already so just bought the white Seamaster. That’s close enough to the white Daytona and no hoops to jump through to get it. The two satisfy my favourite aspects of the Daytona for me just fine!
Ok buddy
This watch represents everything that's wrong with watch collecting these days.
How?
How?
JP Melbs I’m inclined to agree. There are a lot of people who just know they want it because it’s impossible to find and/or they want to flip it. It’s just become a bragging rights piece for the people who wear LV belts and vacation in Dubai.
@@MegaAtlacatl Most people who buy this watch today are in it for all the wrong reasons. They want it because it's hot. Because it's very hard to get. That's all. Now there's obviously exceptions, but I think that the majority of people who buy this piece at 2x retail are not true watch enthusiasts.
JP Melbs one could say that about the brand too at this point
This video is awesome!!!!
wear it one week. post on ig. then flip it on chrono24
Rolex Daytona for the 1960s go for over 39000.00. Will they go up anymore.
Where is the “a week on the wrist” part of the video?
...we need a "lightweight" Daytona... brushed steel bracelet, no shine, fewer words in the dial, steel bezel...
So true. Myself, I bought and sold many expensive watches in my life. But the Daytona I have kept and won’t let it go. 😍😍😍
FACT: Without Paul Newman, no one would care about this watch.
To me nothing beats a platinum day date. Anyone with me?! That being said, this is a stunning piece. Only a Patek world time could beat this watch for it’s sheer gorgeousness.
Novilicious No Patek comes close.
Terrible taste. Try a datograph, or even better yet, a vacheron 1955 cornes de vache.
@@golfinguru11 maybe you should read up about the caliber 4130 before comparing it to other substandard chronographs with better finishing. Sure those high end chronos have better finishing but to say that they are superior to a chronograph with LiGa wheels, repairable vertical clutch, and a replaceable mainspring without totally disassemble the movement just shows that you are not a true watch collector. Just my two cents
@@Cutekid69 you mean the Aegler-made (Rolex buys manufacturers, doesn’t make anything in house) movement that takes nearly all of its inspiration from the Zenith el primero? That one? The one with a double closed back (giant rotor + oyster case) and a market price 6 times that of its closest competitor?
@@golfinguru11 I think you got the 4030 mixed up with the 4130. The 4130 is a completely different architecture from the zenith 4030. The parts count have been reduced and the running seconds hand have shifted to six o’clock from 9 o’clock. I don’t see how the 4130 took any inspiration from zenith when a lot of other chronographs also feature the 3, 6 and 9 subdial configurations like the Moonwatch with the 3861/1861. It’s like saying the AP ROOs are inspired by Valjoux 7750s with their 12, 6 and 9 subdials. Lol. Better not copy and paste any more stuff you read on the internet. Makes you look more like an idiot
Nice, on my hit list :)
So other than being handsome, the overall pedigree seems to pale in comparison to others. The use of both cosmograph and Daytona are obvious plays to catch up to the status of Heuer and Omega. Would be nice to see some contrarian views on Rolex. I own several and appreciate them immensely, but would be interesting point of view.
PS - I only note my ownership to avoid accusations of bias or envy. Was not intended as boastful.
You shall be forgiven for your sin, as the majority in here are just dreamers that want to see ends met and still dreaming with high end Jewellery because they appreciate motion and technology!!
And that’s not your fault 🤗
Nice watch just wouldn't pay over retail imo. Many other fine movements, I know its a Rolex and really nice piece.
If they got rid of the doctoral thesis on the dial and brought back the panda sub-dials, it would be perfect. As of now, it's not particularly nice looking. Just a massive status symbol.
4:54 Am I the only one who noticed the rolex crystal etching brought out by the contrast of the second hand?
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I wanted a gold Daytona but could only afford a bi-metal gmt master ii..... i hope one day I will have one
The problem is these are tiny on the wrist unless you have a baby wrist.
I can see why people like them so much its a lovely looking thing and its says so much about the individual wearing it yes they probably have a lot of patience being primary,I really like the steel and Gold version again really difficult to get hold of, I have been buying things to hopefully get me up the list but i am still waiting for the call from my AD after 7 years, I wont go Grey market so maybe one day hey
Top tier chuffer
you guys need to stop prefacing everything and telling us what youre gonna show us. just fucking show us and stop spoiling the whole video segment by segment.
I bought two replicas, black and white and are so so…. I think I won’t waste my money on a gen, I’d rather prefer an octo finissimo
the dream!
Every time someone talk about daytona HorrorlogyHouse will kick in 😆. Great watch if you can find one retail but thats another horror story.
Excellent!.. I quite enjoyed this
I wish to buy one but I can’t find one. I have the money but it’s sucks that I can’t get one 😢 if anyone got a link or would like to sell one let me know. Thanks.
IT MAKES YOU FEEL "DRESSED" & YOU FEEL LIKE A SUPERHERO WHEN YOU ARE WEARING IT!