Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X Review - Entry Level HOTAS - Elite Dangerous
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2014
- Stylosa shows off his new entry level HOTAS, the T.Flight Hotas X by Thrustmaster playing Elite: Dangerous. For the price, this is one hell of a setup. If you are considering going the HOTAS route, then think about giving the crazily cheap T.Flight Hotas X - Thrustmaster a shot!
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Every time I saw this when searching for a HOTAS, I always skipped it because I thought it was stupid that they are bolted together.
Now I feel like an idiot.
That’s good - you have discovered and accepted your idiocy, self-knowledge is important.
@@markhall3323 Why was the same thing commented twice?
@Sigge Värn Why was the same thing commented twice?
I literally just bought this for Elite Dangerous.
+jotaroxtreme
your experiences so far? :D Im thinking about buying it for elite dangerous + War Thunder
+Red Rabbit It works way better then I thought it would. It makes the the controls much more smooth and the experience drastically better. I highly recommend it. For how good it works, you'd think it would be more.
jotaroxtreme
alright thank you :D i think imma buy it
so cheap :D
Ditto!
This is coming in the mail today. I'm glad this review is good. I'm seriously watching out my window for the amazon delivery vehicle. :D
Looking into getting my first HOTAS for Elite Dangerous. This looks like a good start! Thanks for the review :)
did you end up getting one? how did it work out for you?
In regard to the number of buttons: One thing that's rarely ever mentioned is that you can use any buttons as "shift keys", so to say. For example, in the group of three buttons under the thumb on the throttle, I have two functions assigned to each of them, using the upper button under the index finger on the throttle unit as the "shift key".
1st button: FA on/off, with "shift": boost
2nd button: Fire chaff, with "shift": apply shield cell battery
3rd button: Fire heat sink, with "shift": toggle silent running
That way, the functions are even grouped in a way that makes sense: navigation, combat support, heat management.
Thanks to the "shift button" I have four functions assigned to the coolie hat: Without any combo, it's used for strafing sideways and up/down (using the rocker on the throttle for lateral rcs thrusters; very useful for parking and picking up cargo), with "shift button" for managing energy, with the lower index finger button on the throttle for UI focus (going through panels) and with head look enabled (the thumb button at the bottom of the throttle) for... well... head look.
Still, even with such possibilities, some things will just have to remain on the keyboard. In my case it's rotational correction (never had to use that one so far, anyway; I guess it's most useful for Type 9s), jettison all cargo as well as all the switching through the target lists (all/enemy/subsystems), which I have on the block of six keys between Insert and Page Down. All that stuff can be controlled through the panels, which is what gamepad users (hello and welcome, XBoxers!) have to do, anyway, but as a PC user, I certainly appreciate the availability of all these direct key bindings.
This comment has aged particularly well. I just now (December '21) got this particular hotas secondhand and the above information is very useful. Cheers!
@@MicraHakkinen Well, I could've aged worse, too. ;D Cheers!
6:16 "It just works" - Todd Howard @ E3 2015
Coincidence? I think not! :p
I recently ordered my first HOTAS for War Thunder and this video was great to see how its used in Elite Dangerous, as I never really thought about how can HOTAS be used in space sims. I think I very well might return to playing Elite Dangerous as my HOTAS arrives, I really like the fact that using HOTAS in there isn't restricted to such a dead game mode as simulator battles.
Ive been using this Hotas in ED, I can't compare it to any other Hotas as this is my first one.
I love it, feels solid.
I have this joystick and I do play Elite Dangerous. Yes it does feel cheap, and the axis on the back of the throttle feels very loose and nasty. But this HOTAS is absolutely brilliant, It cost me £33, and I haven't been happier.
Yeah that's the thing, it's a great entry level hotas!
When you say cheap, do you mean bad quality or more arcady? While I may buy this, and will probably play Microsoft Flight Simulator X, I like the arcade feel. If it was a £150 Saitek Rhino (or whoever make it) I would also most likely buy a new GPU, Oculus Rift, Star Citizen and a new hard drive for it.
Austin Buxton I have one as well, did you know you can tighten the stick on the bottom?
Austin Buxton I only have the T Flight Stick X, so the non hotas version because I wanted to save a little bit of space on my desk and it works perfectly fine as well - I did lubricate the throttle slider to get more fluent movement out of it, though. Really good gaming experience and I don't miss anything.
I've had mine a couple of years now, I still love it. i've just extended the cable too!
Thank you so much for the video. :) I need something to play Elite: Dangerous, and I was wondering about this one, so your video was a big help.
Yep. Just bought this flightstick to replace my Logitech Force 3D.
Very impressed by it so far.
My mate bought the Speedlink Black Widow.
I think I made the right choice :)
Both going to be playing ED though!
Brian Hillard Awesome stuff!
Lol, I was between those two sticks myself and nearly collected the Black Widow from my local Argos. Currently waiting for Amazon to ship the Thrustmaster. Glad to hear its working well.
erdio z It was actually quite funny. My mate bought up his Black Widow for me to try out. For the life of me I couldn't get accurate aiming. And while he was here a while later my Thrustmaster arrived. The look was priceless. Hope you get your stick soon :) I find the centre point on the throttle fantastic. Very easy to tell when you are at neutral throttle. Another thing the Black Widow doesn't have. The ability to separate the sticks is great for a flight stick at this price, and not forgetting the ability to lock the twist. Although that is great for ED.
It's the first time I have found the twist use able. It is awful on my Force 3D.
I found a very good button mapping for the Thrustmaster too on the Elite Forums. I'll send you a link :)
erdio z Just in case you need it, here is the link to that configuration for Elite Dangerous. forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16140&p=385107&viewfull=1#post385107
***** Definitely bud. For the price I can't really fault it
Thanks man. I have been looking for a good HOTAS set to start out with!
i just bought this setup and cant wait to try it out
Thanks for the review. I've been playing ED for about a week and I dusted off the Logitech Extreme 3DPro but was unsatisfied with the ergonomics. Reaching across my keyboard to adjust throttle, landing gear etc. was giving me a pain in the neck after a couple hours. For the money, I was looking at the T.Flight HOTAS X but couldn't find any good images or reviews of how it worked actually flying. Your video helped me decide. Thanks again.
I used this stick during my time playing IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. The paddles on the throttle were perfect as my rudder controls as I don't like the twist on a stick motion. I think it had the right amount of buttons (for IL-2 1946) that served functions essential to combat. Everything else non-essential to combat stayed on the keyboard. Would recommend this for any person looking for an entry level stick\throttle
udder that didn't break the bank.
Great review, I like how astonished you are with the quality and performance, I'm glad I'm not the only one.
I have to say, it's hands down one of the best joysticks on the market I've used a couple of the saitek ones (X52 and X52pro) and I always come back to this Joystick.
Unit, what headset are you wearing in this vid?
Also thanks for the review on the HOTAS.
Hey Stylosa!! Big fan from Overwatch. Came across this old video of yours while shopping around for HOTAS for Elite Dangerous. Awesome to see ya in a pre-overwatch video
great video
but what type of recording software are you using, and where did you buy the joystick?
I love these reviews !!! Please do more.
Top review mate, gonna pick one up. Does it work with Star Citizen as well as it does with Elite?
Thanks a lot I plan I getting one of these now.
How do you configure the setup? Or do you just choose the "general joystick" option in control settings?
Break this back out and play D.Va, man.
Just come across this video which is really useful as I also currently have a Logitech 3D Pro which has started mis behaving after 6+ years. Since you made this video can you tell me are you still using the Thrustmaster and if so how is performing?
Thanks
hey man just wondering if you are going to stream it again any time soon? cheers
I've been using this stick for a while and it's definitely worth it for the price. The only real fault I have with it is the zeroed position on the throttle feels very clunky and sticky. Other than that, it's great. Ok, it doesn't have a huge number of buttons, but if you set up properly, you can get pretty much all the functionality you need on just the 12 available buttons. I also started using Voice Attack yesterday, and the combination of HOTAS and voice control make ED so much easier to control and so much more immersive!
Having a HOTAS really helps in different types of flight games so that you can reach different buttons quickly without taking your hands off the controls. And that looks like a good joystick for it's price, a bit hard to tell as a viewer of course.
looks like a great deal, thanks for the review :)
i just got mine also, can you do a keybindings for your joystick?
I get mine in two days. Looking forward to using it for this game. :)
Is it a pain to bind the controls and set up in general or is it okay?
I bought a trust master hotas x but I can't seem to get it to work.
I went to options, controls, hotas 1 and put all the sliders on yes.
I also calibrated the hotas and tried it in Arma 2 to verify it is working correctly.
Do I need to map it separately to star citizen?
Any help us apriciated
You said subscribe and leave a comment so that's what I did. Good review. Will buy thanks to you
Thanks for the review.. I agree with you on most everything you've said concerning this flight stick. I personally don't think it looks cheesy though.. in my opinion.
Does this joystick work with windows 8.1? I'm having a difficult time finding information regarding compatibility.
hi! does it work on Mac and X-plane 10? thanks
The problem that I have with joysticks like these, that just "sit there on the table" is that it always flies around the table and lifts off of it when you are in the middle of combat or any other kind of fast reaction required situation
Logitech 3D pro or this for games like DCS World? I'm not sure what to get.
Should I get this or the speed link black widow?
Nice review. Ordered one.
Bought the stick for IL-2 Sturmovik and picked up ED 2 days ago after a friend recommended it and I've been flying around like a boss. He's been impressed with how fast I've been docking and getting out of fire fights for my play time but honestly I think it's all in the stick. Stick was purchased for OTHER flight games but I've just noticed all these videos popping up recommending this stick. I think I accidentally made the right choice.
I just got elite dangerous and bought this hotas used for 19€ on ebay
I was thinking about getting the saitek x52 for 50€ but nah
19€ was too good to be true
I love that you mentioned that it works straight out of the box
my saitek st290 worked like ass and i spend over an hour to configure that thing
wasn't happy
So I bought this stick, I'm trying to map my Elite Dangerous controls, and I'm running into a weird issue. It seems like it registers a button press on the upstroke, which is making shift keys very difficult. For example, I have button 9 mapped to toggle "Flight Assist," and holding 9 while using the hat moves to the different panels. I've noticed, however, that when I move to the panel and release the button, it still toggles FA mode. It didn't do that kind of thing with the Xbox 360 controller, so is there a setting on the T.Flight somewhere that I missed?
Even though it feels cheap, as long as it can give you the start feel of a HOTAS and if it is for you, then i personally want to buy one as i've never used a hotas before and wanna make sure it's the sort of controller/games i want to get into. CAuse elite dangerous was a bit too wobbly for my taste with a mouse.
So i know this was a really long time ago but i just bought a joystick and throttle to Play elite but there is this Problem that when i log off i Need to change to keyboard and mouse again just the thing is, that when i log back in elite i Need to change the settings all over again of the joystick what do i do can i save them somehow ?
Great review
Can't wait to try this with Elite Dangerous, mine is in the post, bought for $44 CND
(25 Pounds) from amazon.ca (I'm a expat in Canada)
FYI you can wined the cables on the underside to make them shorter.
Also I have a Thrustmaster Firestorm Joypad from about 8 years and its still working!
So it might be cheap looking but it seem to be made well for the money.
my dad had this HOTAS for whatever he was using, I recently dug it up because I just started playing Elite Dangerous, I am blown away that this actually works, and works well.
i need to know where u mapped the controlls kos now on the new update it wont show the hotas on the control list wtf
Can someone explain what the Mapping and Preset buttons do?? I also use this for elite dangerouns, thanks
haven;t watched the whole video yet, but did you play elite with a keyboard and mouse before? is it a lot easier to control with the thrustmaster?
zidey Its alot harder! On Mouse and keyboard its simply Best for me. I have Hotas X and cannot hit anything with fixed weapons. And i must use 3rd party software for adjusting sensibility.
I found this joystick on Newegg, and I came to youtube to find a review of it, and low and behold this Limey is playing the game I want the joystick for! XD
is it worth buy the more pricey version of this? (Thrustmaster 16000m FCS Hotas)
Lol I bbought this too, its a bit weird. I mean it works. But im just not used to a joystck. first time using it, its so weird. i shoot better wth mouse. any suggestions on how i can make it easier for my self?
Was the throttle system in the Logitech one the thing you disliked more?
Ages ago i purchased the old Thrustmaster Top Gun Fox 2 Pro and i still use it when i play simulators hehe! It hasn't the separated throttle (there was a version with it but was more expensive) but i still love it because i can instantly go 0-100 or 100-0 with the move of a finger (thumb or index), the slider is comfortable and i can quickly reach the keyboard if i need without the bulky thing in the way :) It's more or less like the T.Flight Stick X but with few less buttons.
Does Anyone suggest to buy this? Should i buy this? Pls tell:)
Your hud is different than original in game. How did you customized UI?
how well do they stay in one place?
How far apart can you move the stick and throttle? Wide enough to put your keyboard?
just about, depending on the size of your keyboard, you can extend the cable, infact i made a video on how to do that.
hey there did you have to adjust the sensitivity at all?
Cheers for reviewing this, looking into getting it for Elite to use with my Rift but cant justify a Saitek x55 for one game...yet :P
GOOD BLOODY LORD!!!! Nice one Sty! I was gonna get an x55 but t a cockerels elbow is easier to find at a "decent" price. kind of glad I didnt waste all the cash
Where did you get it so cheap? I have looked online and the cheapest I could find it was $79.00 AUD. If you bought it online could you please link to where you got it. This would be much appreciated.
I was looking for this joystick, but like the game your playing. Which game is it?
Elite dangerous
Holy crap I love the way the old UI looked, wish it would come back.
Actually, just bought this item to play Elite. Waiting for delivery, and very good to see it in action.
Has anyone got any recommendations for button layouts?
Just bought this. Thanks for the great review! If possible, could you post your control scheme for it? What have you mapped to the thruster buttons etc.? Cheers
On the throttle this is what I've done and I like it:
index finger buttons, top is landing gear, bottom is flight assist off. Thumb buttons: top boost, next down is FSD, next down is heat sink launch, bottom is UI focus to look at the side screens.
Does the throttle stay in the same place when you leave it or is it loose enough to centre itself?
Madscientist jr It stays in the same place.
This is great on a budget, but if you have money to spare, the Saitek X52/X52 Pro is one of the best I've used with E:D. One of my favourite things is the fact that it's actually very close to the in game models, and with my plans to get a VR headset eventually, that feature will just make the VR experience that much better.
Where do you bind thrust up Thrust down thrust left and thrust right using this set up? (Recommendations please)
I have the same joystick and like the guy in the video, I bind lateral (left-right) thrust to the paddle on the front of the thruster. I thought about binding up-down to the two buttons on the front of the thruster, but I bought Voice Attack and use voice commands to control up-down thrusters. VA is seriously worth the few bob it costs for the full version, i even use it to remotely voice-control my PC now too.
I use the hat on the joystick
laughed my ass off mate! Great Review /LP
Can your keyboard fit in between the unit when separated?
Purple Mayo That's an idea! yes there is enogh cord length especially 4 a small keyboard without numpad
Try a laptop rest and angle your keyboard so you can see it, it works fantastically well.
The cable is pretty short, I just extened the cable on mine because it didn't reach the armrests i built to play ED.
Good video. Thanks!
I am thinking of getting one along with Elite Dangerous next pay day, but I'm just seeing if any other games I play have support for this - Planetside 2 being one of them. If you've tried this yet with Planetside 2, how does it play? Great video also, straight to the point and you don't waffle on about the features for 15 minutes like some other videos I've seen on this. Good job!
Does it work on Xbox one?
Does it have vibration ?
Does it work for War thunder on PC because i have looked at it for a good amount of time and on youtube but havent heard anyone say what game it does work with somebody help pls.
It will work yes!
unknownsniper23 okay, thanks for letting me know :D
For some reason, the stick twisty sensor and that switch thing on the throttle that lateral thrust was bound to are the same axis for me. I can't bind them to separate functions. Any ideas?
+Brendan Wojcik The home button above the SE and ST toggles between them sharing the Yaw axis and allowing them to be mapped differently.
Thanks.
Thanks for this. I was looking at getting a x55 but this has given me food for thought.
Did you decide which to get? I'm wondering the same thing.
Have you decided? :D I'm thinking that this would be wiser for the money.
No. No money at the moment.
This is great. I am a little concerned about durability. The stick is not smooth as it was in the beginning. Its been a little more than a week since I owned it.The negative that there aren't enough buttons is wrong as you can combo button and create a different command. I don't need to touch keyboard except when closing the game.
That's odd, about the stick; I've had mine since Christmas, and it still feels as good as it did the day I got it.
you could use Voice Attack to do some of the button work for you.
I had been playing Elite Dangerous with an XBOX 360 controller until yesterday when the Thrustmaster t-flight HOTAS which I bought from Amazon arrived... and it does make a big difference. It took an hour to get used to it and is going to take some time to tinker with the setup but I can already see a world of difference. You just have much better control over everything (better control over throttled, pitch, roll) compared to the XBOX controller. I might be able to think about using fixed weapons instead of gimballed weapons now. So I would recommend one of these.
I'm also using the xbox controller, and waiting on this. Glad to hear it helps. I tend to want to push the thumbstick on the xbox all or nothing, and the joystick will give me more finesse. Hurry up and ship amazon!
Greg Dale Yes.. that's exactly the problem with the XBOX 360 controller.. difficult not to push the thumbsticks all or nothing. The joystick (and throttle control) just give so much better control over this.
Have you guys actually tried using VoiceAttack ? its really handy when it comes down to xbox controller, i have been using it both, and its so easy!
The commands you give in are quickly recognized, and it gives you so much spaceleft for programmable buttons on the keyboard; example: program "L" landing gear, all you have to do is say: Gear, Landing gear, deploy/retract Landing gear, anything you want really.
Been using it since I bought Elite:Dangerous and its really usefull.
Matt Ashmore I'm also using a controller but while I don't consider it great I'm also not struggling at all with the game. Been bounty hunting mostly and get kills pretty easily. Love the idea of a HOTAS but do you think getting one is really worth the learning curve? I'm just thinking, I'm fine without one, should I bother?
Worth he learning curve ? What? u don't need to learn anything. It's all getting used to it.. which only takes an hour.
where did you buy it?
Anyone know if this is compatible with Mechwarrior Online?
How well will that joystick work for Microsoft Flight Simulator X?
+Cian Nelson Not sure if you already bought this or not but yeah it works great! I bought MFSX on steam for like $5 and it is awesome!
+Orlin Thanks for the info, coincidentally I'm actually getting it today for Christmas lol
Cian Nelson Hope you enjoy it and Merry Christmas!
Could you do a re-review?
is there a z-axis on the joystick itself? Not just the 2 buttons on the throttle?
+Christopher Banacka Yeah want to know this as well
+Christopher Banacka I also have a T. Flight HOTAS X, so hopefully I can help out here.
In addition to the Joystick's standard X and Y axis, it does indeed have Z axis, for rudder/yaw functionality. In addition, on the throttle base there is a button that is by default green but when pushed turns red, switching between the two colours upon each press. When the light is green, the rocker switch on the throttle control provides a separate axis of movement (ideal for lateral thrusters if you play Elite Dangerous.) When the the light is red the rocker switch duplicates the 'rudder' axis of the joystick.
I cannot emphasize enough how much extra immersion this thing gives you. Yes it's cheap and not ideal if you are a hardcore flightsim player, but it is ideal for those players who occasionally dabble with flight sims or want to try out a HOTAS setup without spending 100 plus on a joystick and throttle or simply cant afford laying down that kind of money. I was given this for my birthday and I have never stopped using it in Elite Dangerous since then.
Human Duracell I bought it about a week ago and I'm also very pleased with it. I personally use the rocker for changing tabs in Elite. It's quite strange to having to relearn all the controlls. I had pretty much mastered the controller. It's back to gimballed for a while :)
+Christopher Banacks
The axes on the stick are: X (Typically Roll), Y (Typically Pitch), RZ [Rotational Z] (Typically Yaw)
The Axes on the Throttle are: Z (Typically Throttle), and the rocker, which depending on the color of the LED (when in PC mode), works as either RZ (Typically Yaw when the LED is red, or when the HOTAS is in PS3 mode), or Slider 0 (Could be anything, when the LED is green).
It should be noted that when the switch on the front of the stick portion is in PS3 mode, the Axis Mode button functions as the PS button.
When Switched to "PC" the Axis Mode button puts the HOTAS in either Four-Axis or Five-Axis mode.
Thanks was really helpfull
been using an old wireless Saitek Cyborg eclipse joystick for ED (originally got it for Arma 1 all those years ago) its works great with it but it started to fall apart from the combat in ED. so now just purchased the above
I had a Saitek ST290 Pro and bought the T.Flight. I love the throttle, but the joystick just didn't have enough buttons, so since Elite allows multiple inputs, I use the throttle and the ST290 together. Even if I use a button on the throttle as a modifier, it just felt short on buttons to me. If you are not already using a joystick, it may be great for you. A hat for the thrusters on the throttle would have been nice, but for the price, it greatly improved the experience.
This is going to be my first joystick, I want it for elite, star citizen and a few flight simulators, It arrives on Thursday
Hey there, if anyone reading this owns this HOTAS, I'd like to know the exact length of the wire connecting the flight stick unit and the throttle unit. I want to know if I can keep my keyboard between them and play. I've only used the X55 and they have separate cables for each unit, so I don't know about this one.
Cheers!
+Akash Menon Not sure if you've found your answer yet, but there is roughly 2 feet of length between the throttle and stick, plenty of room to fit a keyboard in between (I have a G510 and it fits between them)
Ok i go for it. My prehistoric MS Sidewinder died last year, so i need a replacement for Elite
Will it work on a mac. Anyone tried it?
Nice. Been looking at the x52 but this pretty much does the exact same thing for 60 quid less. Bag it, I'll take it.
Ive just ordered one on amazon and found out they now do SAME DAY DELIVERY!!!
how did it go? still using it?
I take it that it doesn't have any sort of forcefeedback?
Where did you get it for £32.
Would it be good for MechWarrior?
I have a similar stick the Thrustmaster T.Flight Stick X. It's a lot more uncommon, but it's a similar design with way more buttons (12 buttons total) and no throttle included, although I also bought the separate Thrustmaster TWCS throttle (which is also a full size throttle to the X series of Thrustmaster products). Personally, I'd recommend that as opposed to the T Flight Hotas X, since you get more buttons and more devices are a lot heavier and provide more weight.
I have found that using combo of buttons is very affective on ED, especially using the 2 buttons on the trust index finger location. hold them and you can pretty much triple up all your buttons easily
As a note I recently had an issue the bindings (when you manually set the buttons to do something) which did not work correctly. In my case the pre-mentioned index finger buttons, were deciding to boost instead of what I had assigned (not great in a space station). After faffing around for ages, I swapped the USB port.. this fixed it straight away. No idea why it screwed up in the first place, as before I swapped it back, the TM HOTAS driver tests showed the buttons were all working fine