Just to clarify/correct from the video (great vid btw): The X32 Rack actually has 14 (mono outs) - 8 XLR and 6 TRS. The wing rack only has 8 XLR outputs The headphone outputs on the wing rack are hard patched to the 8 XLR Aux out's (e.g. headphone 1-2 is outputs 1 and 2 in stereo). Many comment the x32 rack is able to drive IEMs directly (but your millage may vary) These changes, combined with the lack of ultranet on the wing rack (which many people have p-16s that they don't wish to bin) seems a real oversight from behringer. I understand you can use extra gear to get this functionality with extra rack gear, but that is more expense, weight and faff to deal with. For this reason, I can see the x32 rack being appealing still to a lot of people
@@dentalstories you've got a few options I think: DN4816U (stageconnect to Ultranet) (for a little DI box esc unit), any of the stageboxes that have ultranet built in (SD8 etc.) or DN4888 (rackmount stageconnect to ultranet) Someone else can correct me tho
Yea the wing rack is amazing but I'm disappointed by the lack of ultranet and the 4 headphone amps being stuck to match the 8 outs. I think I can forgive them for the lack of ultranet though. The wing rack is probably going to be mainly used as an iem console where p16s aren't used. Venues with p16 infrastructure are probably running a typical stage box setup with FOH so a wing rack makes no sense for their use case
Biggest selling point for me is the ability to be able to record directly to SD card. I know you can do this on the x32 USB out or buy an expansion card but I have tried hooking up a mac and its frankly unrealiable. Not to mention more space power and wires needed. Good video.
My x32 rack works flawlessly with my Mac and iPad. The only thing with considering the wing is aes in and out. I don’t understand why they didn’t ad this to x32 rack.
Saving up for the wing rack for sure. The wing rack and x32 are the same price here in Europe. So do discount the x32 unless it is heavily discounted 😂
@@btudrus funny how words can have different meanings. I had to re-read myself, but it is correct 🤣 Europe indeed got the discount several weeks after the USA for some reason....
I would like a tracking audio shoot-out. Pre-amps and processing basics and stereo field may sound better on the Wing but I don't know of any YT videos that actually show this. Folks who moved from X32 to Wing original said they immediately heard a better quality of audio.
This is not a comparison question, but this video comes closest to what I’ve been trying to solve. My 9 piece horn rock band needs 20 channels in, 9 IEM XLR busses out, and a 20 channel splitter for FOH. Can the X32 rack provide this? What additional devices would I need?
The x32 can do what you need however the compromise is you can't have each mix in stereo as opposed to the wing without a workaround. The x32 has 16 mono buses. With 9 iem mixes the x32 could do 7 stereo and 2 mono mixes. You could use the Main LR bus to drive a iem mix as a workaround, meaning the x32 could drive 9 stereo iems. The wing has 16 stereo buses plus 8 stereo matrices that channels can directly be sent to, so everyone could be stereo iems on the wing without a workaround if that's important to you. In order to get enough io on the x32 you need a stage box to get the extra XLR outs as well as getting enough XLR inputs since the x32 rack has 16 ins 8 outs. You could also use the 8 mono TRS outputs as well (This includes the stereo monitor trs outs) for outs. For getting enough analog outs with the wing you could use a Midas DN4816O for 24 XLR outs total. A stage box could also work for more outputs for the wing but the dn4816O would be more cost effective. All that being said, I would recommend wing if you can afford the price and the wait. Otherwise a used x32 rack would fulfill your needs just fine, albeit with the workaround as I mentioned earlier. I would not recommend buying a new x32 rack at this point Either way, x32 or wing, you would need an analog split. You can find inexpensive splits without transformer isolation in various cable lengths all around the internet
Just the fact that the Wing has combo inputs instead of XLR, tips it its favour. My studio is mainly synth based, not having to fiddle with XLR to line cables or converters makes the Wing a winner. I wonder if the X32 rack will be lowered in price or stop being produced.
Love my x32 Rack. Recently added a S16 for even more I/O. Wing definitely looks like a nice upgrade and would have bought it if it was available years ago.
I'm not sure the Wing rack really hits the spot! The point of the x32 line was to provide competent audio on a strict budget! For someone buying new from scratch there is no reason not to get the Wing, but the upgrade for someone using an x32 is less clear. Sure the the Wing is more capable; but if you really need that many channels and effects you're probably on a far bigger budget and as such more rider friendly consoles will be more tempting. X32/Wing is for small unsigned bands etc that simply don't need 40+ channels and this number of busses! If you have got to that point, your far more likely going to be looking at DiGiCo or Yamaha for your FOH/Mon solution as you're probably going to be employing professional audio people. Sure, there will be edge cases, perhaps synth bands that do really need that many channel, but your average 5 piece simply won't need the capacity... Innovation is great, but the wing is not a compelling upgrade path for most users...
Seems to me like the x32 gets the job done for most applications. Especially with the lower price point (though it’s out of stock). I agree the Yamaha is looking attractive as well
Yes . I use the x32 all the time . Even if they have mixer at a venue. Easy way is to send l/r and a sub to the FOH ! No need for a soundmam as all mixing is done automatically with midi ques.
Lack of usable outputs on the Wing is just stupid.... Apparently the Headphone amps are locked to the XLRs, IF one is shared The mons bus, that sucks....
Wing rack looks like a great product… but… the decision to link headphone output 1 to XLR 1/2… and so on with the others… is literally ridiculous… Means the X32 rack has 14 outputs and the Wing Rack has 8… Seems like such a good idea to have the headphone preamps in the wing rack, but it’s sadly been really poorly implemented…!!
@@btudrus your baseless opinion is noted. another let down is the absence of s/pdif i/o, which i assume is not needed either. however, my x32 is fine since i don’t see any difference in the things that matter to me.
@@MusicStillRules "your baseless opinion is noted." LOOOOL. You won't hear the difference unless you are a bat... Simple physics. I assume that with your age even 32k would be more than enough. Really no need for anything more than 48k for humans... Claiming otherwise is an unscientific quackery. "another let down is the absence of s/pdif i/o, which i assume is not needed either. " SP/DIF or AES/EBU is lacking on x32, definitely...
@@btudrus if you limit your thinking to just the listening aspect as you apparently have done, then 48khz is enough. if you think in terms of recording, editing and post processing, higher res provides more opportunities and options.
@@MusicStillRules " if you think in terms of recording, editing and post processing, higher res provides more opportunities and options." Complete nonsense. You don't need more than 48k for any editing and post-processing. Saying otherwise is just an unscientific quackery, not supported by any HARD FACTS... There is simply no useable information in the inputs if you go above 48k...
Just to clarify/correct from the video (great vid btw):
The X32 Rack actually has 14 (mono outs) - 8 XLR and 6 TRS. The wing rack only has 8 XLR outputs
The headphone outputs on the wing rack are hard patched to the 8 XLR Aux out's (e.g. headphone 1-2 is outputs 1 and 2 in stereo). Many comment the x32 rack is able to drive IEMs directly (but your millage may vary)
These changes, combined with the lack of ultranet on the wing rack (which many people have p-16s that they don't wish to bin) seems a real oversight from behringer. I understand you can use extra gear to get this functionality with extra rack gear, but that is more expense, weight and faff to deal with.
For this reason, I can see the x32 rack being appealing still to a lot of people
What equipment is needed for the P16 to work with the Wing Rack?
@@dentalstories you've got a few options I think: DN4816U (stageconnect to Ultranet) (for a little DI box esc unit), any of the stageboxes that have ultranet built in (SD8 etc.) or DN4888 (rackmount stageconnect to ultranet)
Someone else can correct me tho
X32 has 6 TRS Aux outs, not 8. So 14 available outputs until you add a stagebox
@@jb.531of course - my bad. Thanks
Yea the wing rack is amazing but I'm disappointed by the lack of ultranet and the 4 headphone amps being stuck to match the 8 outs. I think I can forgive them for the lack of ultranet though. The wing rack is probably going to be mainly used as an iem console where p16s aren't used. Venues with p16 infrastructure are probably running a typical stage box setup with FOH so a wing rack makes no sense for their use case
What a great review. Thanks so much for doing this.
Personally, I've ordered a Wing rack and will now be using my X32 rack as a stage box.
How much "better" do the Midas Pro preamps sound on the Wing vs the Midas "Designed" pres in the X32?
Biggest selling point for me is the ability to be able to record directly to SD card. I know you can do this on the x32 USB out or buy an expansion card but I have tried hooking up a mac and its frankly unrealiable. Not to mention more space power and wires needed. Good video.
My x32 rack works flawlessly with my Mac and iPad. The only thing with considering the wing is aes in and out. I don’t understand why they didn’t ad this to x32 rack.
Saving up for the wing rack for sure. The wing rack and x32 are the same price here in Europe. So do discount the x32 unless it is heavily discounted 😂
х32 rack has more outs in general, in some solutions it is much better
@@KpTheFth The Wing sounds better with better Mic Preamps. Has more DSP, more of everything but outputs. Very easy and inexpensive to add outputs.
@@KpTheFth You can add 8 outs and 8 ins with inexpensive solution live DN4888
" So do discount the x32 unless it is heavily discounted 😂"
A week later and X32 is now 888€ in the Europe... 🤪🤪🤪
@@btudrus funny how words can have different meanings. I had to re-read myself, but it is correct 🤣 Europe indeed got the discount several weeks after the USA for some reason....
Great video you didn’t talk about the MIDI. Are the 1/4 inch control switch on the Wing
Is the x-touch compatible with the Wing Rack?
I would like a tracking audio shoot-out. Pre-amps and processing basics and stereo field may sound better on the Wing but I don't know of any YT videos that actually show this. Folks who moved from X32 to Wing original said they immediately heard a better quality of audio.
Will there be a MADI extension card for the Wing?
Some of the details you have mentioned are incorrect. But you have a great job overall
This is not a comparison question, but this video comes closest to what I’ve been trying to solve. My 9 piece horn rock band needs 20 channels in, 9 IEM XLR busses out, and a 20 channel splitter for FOH. Can the X32 rack provide this? What additional devices would I need?
The x32 can do what you need however the compromise is you can't have each mix in stereo as opposed to the wing without a workaround. The x32 has 16 mono buses. With 9 iem mixes the x32 could do 7 stereo and 2 mono mixes. You could use the Main LR bus to drive a iem mix as a workaround, meaning the x32 could drive 9 stereo iems. The wing has 16 stereo buses plus 8 stereo matrices that channels can directly be sent to, so everyone could be stereo iems on the wing without a workaround if that's important to you. In order to get enough io on the x32 you need a stage box to get the extra XLR outs as well as getting enough XLR inputs since the x32 rack has 16 ins 8 outs. You could also use the 8 mono TRS outputs as well (This includes the stereo monitor trs outs) for outs. For getting enough analog outs with the wing you could use a Midas DN4816O for 24 XLR outs total. A stage box could also work for more outputs for the wing but the dn4816O would be more cost effective.
All that being said, I would recommend wing if you can afford the price and the wait. Otherwise a used x32 rack would fulfill your needs just fine, albeit with the workaround as I mentioned earlier. I would not recommend buying a new x32 rack at this point
Either way, x32 or wing, you would need an analog split. You can find inexpensive splits without transformer isolation in various cable lengths all around the internet
Can you record track on the wing without computer?
Just the fact that the Wing has combo inputs instead of XLR, tips it its favour. My studio is mainly synth based, not having to fiddle with XLR to line cables or converters makes the Wing a winner. I wonder if the X32 rack will be lowered in price or stop being produced.
X32 rack is now £699 uk to order
Love my x32 Rack. Recently added a S16 for even more I/O. Wing definitely looks like a nice upgrade and would have bought it if it was available years ago.
If you bought the S16, could you please tell me how that shows up in the xedit software? You got more channels then?
The wing rack is very versatile and dirt cheap if you look at what your getting.
Way to less aux? 🤣
I'm not sure the Wing rack really hits the spot! The point of the x32 line was to provide competent audio on a strict budget! For someone buying new from scratch there is no reason not to get the Wing, but the upgrade for someone using an x32 is less clear. Sure the the Wing is more capable; but if you really need that many channels and effects you're probably on a far bigger budget and as such more rider friendly consoles will be more tempting. X32/Wing is for small unsigned bands etc that simply don't need 40+ channels and this number of busses! If you have got to that point, your far more likely going to be looking at DiGiCo or Yamaha for your FOH/Mon solution as you're probably going to be employing professional audio people. Sure, there will be edge cases, perhaps synth bands that do really need that many channel, but your average 5 piece simply won't need the capacity... Innovation is great, but the wing is not a compelling upgrade path for most users...
But there is nothing good as the wing at this price point
Seems to me like the x32 gets the job done for most applications. Especially with the lower price point (though it’s out of stock). I agree the Yamaha is looking attractive as well
The Wing is $1600. What other board competes with it?
Not everyone that has outgrown the x32 can afford a digico
Are there any known compatibility issues with ProTools?
How much is a Dante card for one of these?
Fantastic video! I’m curious to see if you can do a VS. video with the PreSonus Studio live 32r vs Behringer Wing rack?
The wing is so awesome
How do I Add more outputs to the Wing?
Fatal flaw, the headphone outputs eat up the XLR outputs...............
Release date?
Can you make video sound comparison
can these be used instead of real console? what are the advantages and disadvantages of using them in exchange for real consoles?
Yes . I use the x32 all the time . Even if they have mixer at a venue. Easy way is to send l/r and a sub to the FOH ! No need for a soundmam as all mixing is done automatically with midi ques.
Behringer - I use to be scary of them, Time has change and maybe I should 2.
Lack of usable outputs on the Wing is just stupid....
Apparently the Headphone amps are locked to the XLRs, IF one is shared The mons bus, that sucks....
Wing rack looks like a great product… but… the decision to link headphone output 1 to XLR 1/2… and so on with the others… is literally ridiculous…
Means the X32 rack has 14 outputs and the Wing Rack has 8…
Seems like such a good idea to have the headphone preamps in the wing rack, but it’s sadly been really poorly implemented…!!
In this price category, wing leads. I can't wait for the mass sale to start.
still has 24bit/48khz usb, what a disappointment, same as x32 rack
You do not need more...
@@btudrus your baseless opinion is noted. another let down is the absence of s/pdif i/o, which i assume is not needed either. however, my x32 is fine since i don’t see any difference in the things that matter to me.
@@MusicStillRules "your baseless opinion is noted."
LOOOOL.
You won't hear the difference unless you are a bat... Simple physics. I assume that with your age even 32k would be more than enough. Really no need for anything more than 48k for humans...
Claiming otherwise is an unscientific quackery.
"another let down is the absence of s/pdif i/o, which i assume is not needed either. "
SP/DIF or AES/EBU is lacking on x32, definitely...
@@btudrus if you limit your thinking to just the listening aspect as you apparently have done, then 48khz is enough. if you think in terms of recording, editing and post processing, higher res provides more opportunities and options.
@@MusicStillRules " if you think in terms of recording, editing and post processing, higher res provides more opportunities and options."
Complete nonsense. You don't need more than 48k for any editing and post-processing.
Saying otherwise is just an unscientific quackery, not supported by any HARD FACTS...
There is simply no useable information in the inputs if you go above 48k...