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- ** at 04:15 I incorrectly say 3ms instead of 3 SAMPLES will be added by a second AES-50 link.
The most common questions that keep coming up about the Behringer S32 and S16 stage boxes. Setup, configuring, patching & more about the ins and out of AES-50 and how it works in real world settings.
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So adding a second s32 via daisy chaining adds 3ms latency? Is this also on 2x DL16s linked in a rack ?
Oh man, what a mistake... that should have been 3 SAMPLES are added per link at 48k, not milliseconds. Yikes!
I'm going to pin this comment to the top for others to see. Thanks for catching that one!
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@@DcSoundOp 3 MS ?! Haha
That would be at the limits of been unusable, 3 Samples is just fine
What's a few orders of magnitude between friends? 😂
@@DcSoundOp don’t worry about it, I do the same mistake in all my videos
My only excuse is that English is my second language
Great video/ I really liked your hepful tips about AES50. Keep it up!
Thanks a lot!
Will definitely send some people here, I also get those questions very often.
Thanks for making this!
Hey Guillaume, thanks for the message. I was watching your latest stream & was wondering if you could tell me where the new feature is here for me to give people memberships to the channel. I can't find it, but they also only turned on a lot of features for me after hitting 20k subs, so maybe it is different for people who do lives more often? Thanks again!
@@DcSoundOp Hi 👋
It was just there when I did my last stream. I open my iPad on my stream to do some moderation and it was there in the bottom. I believe it’s only on stream and not on videos.
If anything, send me a email, maybe we could figure it out together
@@GuillaumeLortie Could you see my comment that is relay to the top pinned message? would like to discuss further.
No, I can't see your reply there :(
@@pressorv saw it, please send me a email, it’s in my channels and video descriptions
Great info!
Thanks for the message Michael, I really appreciate it!
thank you
You're welcome
A nice combo will be the X32 Compact with the S32, to save some money
If I connect my FOH X32 mixer to DL32 AES50A and also connect an X32R to DL32 AES50B, which of these two mixers will have control of the pre-amp gains of the DL32?
Hello! I have a Midas M32 Live with two digital snakes, a DL32 and a DL16. In all the videos they show how the routing is but NOBODY shows with which channels both the inputs and outputs of the DL16 are used. I do not know what volumes or how they are equalized from 33 to 48 of the DL16 or ls outputs from 17 to 24. In page 8 of the Quick Start Menu comes the routing set up but no further information is given. Help please. Thank you.
I just ordered a Midas DL32 for my X32 Rack that I have… I had a need to really expand for a band I work with
That's great that you're able to keep your system growing as you expand. Let us know how it works out for you!
Can all 16 outputs on the S32 send stereo signals each for IEM? Or would it have to be evenly paired to have 8 outputs for stereo IEM?
These are all Mono. So you need 2 for one stereo IEM, so in total 8 are possible
I started using Dante about five years ago and I took to it rather quickly. Then again, I’m a network engineer by day, so I’m sure that helps. AES50’s channel count limit plus the no network switches policy sound brutal in comparison to Dante. And the A port va B port is not intuitive and raises a lot of questions for me.
I get what you mean coming from the Dante world. AES-50 isn't really intended to compete with Dante or AVB as a network solution. What it does offer is incredibly simple, full duplex low latency connectivity for things like this, with very little to configure or know about compared to Dante. No laptops, software or anything else for digital snake customers to worry about going wrong. I've known a good few folks over the years who painted themselves into a corner with Rio boxes (only every being used as a point to point snake) and had to phone a friend to get signal passing again. For Behringer's target audience, I think the simplicity was a good call for the core functionality. When you add a Dante card to the mixers (assuming you can find one) you can really go nuts.
Thanks for the message & for checking out the video as always!
Agreed that you can do just about anything routing wise with Dante, but you can do enough of what is needed With AES50. Simplicity being the major benefit . I have had two brand new Dante cards for two different M32C rack units going on a few years now. I have yet to install either as I am able to do everything I need with AES50 and Ultranet.
Great video ! Quick question, can I have both a analog snake and digital snake connected to the x32 at the same time and alternate without disconnecting one? If I could, would, I just need to route the x32 depending what snake I would be using ? Home this makes sense, thank you !
Yes, you can absolutely do that with these systems. You can save presets to recall the configuration you need for different tasks etc. Have fun!
My band as M32C and DL32. They want this to be their IEM rack and control Preamps of the DL32. Then, they want to use AES50 to send those inputs to a venue FOH X32 mixer. I am trying to wrap my head around this. Here's what I have:
DL32 configured as master clock (48k). DL32 AES A connected to M32C AES50 A. M32C set Sync to AES50A, and routed with AES50A as input sources 1-32. M32C set to Lock the stagebox. M32C set to control AES50A preamps. M32C is also routing outputs to AES50A for buses 1-10 for IEMs.
Then, DL32 AES50 B connected to FOH x32 AES50 A port. X32 FOH set Sync to AES50A, and routed with AES50A as input sources 1-32. This should give FOH all our DL32 inputs with Gain Trim only. Thus, they can mix FOH as they see fit for the venue.
There is no need to send audio from M32C to X32 or vice versa. They simply want to share the DL32 as if it was a physical splitter snake.
Will this work? Is there something wrong with this solution???
Hey Todd, thanks for the question. While I don't see anything jumping out in your setup as being incorrect (other than I might use the M32C as the clock leader instead of the stagebox), in the real world, I don't think this is a good plan.
The likelyhood that you'll get a venue tech willing to reclock their system to your stagebox is next to zero in my experience. It's too hard to know what else they have in play to count on it working. Surely, they'll have other stage boxes feeding their amplifiers and zones etc?
You'd be much better off using an analog split and handing them XLR tails than trying to configure this at every show. If you were in control of both the FOH and Monitor systems on a regualr basis and know the FOH tech well, it's certainly doable, but as a throw and go band system, this will end up causing more trouble than it's worth. Let me know if I've misunderstood the question though & thanks again for the message.
Question..... am trying to the stage box as a split head snake to get front house and monitor stage but when I turn up the gain it turns up in monitor as well.... can It be turn off so the gain doesn't go up in monitor when I turn it up front house?
If I had a small analog mixer, would I be able to run it into the s32 to essentially expand the inputs and outputs of that small mixer?
The S32 only connects to other AES-50 SuperMac gear, i.e. the Behringer & Midas X & M series consoles and the Wing. I'm not sure how you'd like to connect it to your analog mixer, but it will not act as an expander for any mixers besides the ones I listed above. Thanks for watching.
With the AES-50 A and B ports, can you run two Cat cables for redundancy in case one cable becomes faulty during a performance?
No, unfortunately the S32 / X32 series does not support redundancy in that way. Great question though... I believe you have to get up into the Pro Series consoles from Midas before you get this, event their M32 stuff doesn't do it.
A possible work around To get inputs into your daw is to get a klark teknik AES50 to USB adapter and that will allow you to record all inputs into your computer.
So the DN9630 works on the incoming AES50 clock signal... which means the S32 would need to be the primary clock source if there is no mixer in play, but I don't believe they have that ability. Would love to know if I'm wrong, going to have to look it up later to confirm.
@@DcSoundOp Were you able to find out a configuration where this would work?
Hey Can I use AES-50 B port directly into the DAW through ethernet adapter for recording and broadcasting
@@speakingthetruthinlove415 yes as long as u have a way to output it if u are not using the audio source board as an output
So I tried putting my mains l&r into output 1&2 on the s32 but I didn’t get any sound out of my mains when I was using it. I was running sound from my Mac into aux1 and whilst wearing headphones on the x32compact I could hear it fine. I thought I followed the routing instructions, but this is my first time using a digital desk and I am trying to get my head around it. Could someone tell me what routing I need?
I have a theatre show in two weeks in our show and we will have 18 radio kids going into our stage box on the stage and the mains will come out if its outputs. The desk will be at the back of the hall where a Mac will be plugged in for playing certain tracks.
Please help!
Hey, so did you patch your mains L/R to output 1/2 on your mixer? By default they will be on outputs 15/16.
can i use it with a cat6 cable?
Very helpful video . my question to you is ; do you need a Wi-Fi connection to use Behringer S32 32 x 16 Digital Stage box ?
Thanks for watching. You do not need Wi-Fi and AES-50 will not operate wirelessly in this context. These call for a hard network cable, specifically a shielded, stranded twisted pair cable with Ethercon ends.
@@DcSoundOp sounds great thanks you soo much .
Good luck
Very useful information.
Which budget wireless mic would you recommend for a Church?
Thanks for the message & great question! Couple of questions so I can suggest the right thing... what type of mic are you after, a handheld or a clip on, or something else? And what's your ideal budget?
@@DcSoundOp Handheld please - looking forward to the video
hi can i run the S32 with adat i have a presonus 1824 c interface and use the Aux outputs from the s32? =)
Hey, sorry, I just saw this. If you are asking if you can route outputs to the optical out on your interface, then connect that to the S32 and have those outputs show up on the XLR outs, that's a no. Unfortunately the optical connections on the S32 are both output ports, so that won't work. However, the ADA8200 is precisely what you need to do that & will give you eight more inputs too if you connect up the optical in both directions. Check it out here - amzn.to/47dtxfV - that's an affiliate link. Thanks for the message!
can you connect s32 stage box on the differentconsol like Allen and heath Q32?
No, that won't work unfortunately. A&H uses a proprietary protocol in their D-Snake system and Behringer's AES-50 SuperMac is vaguely proprietary as well. If you want that type of interoperability you'd want to look at systems that have Dante options, although those still come with challenges in controlling things like pre-amp, phantom power etc. if you mix and match brands. Let me know if that answers your question or if there's more you're curious about. Thanks for watching!
Hello... can the X32 Compact can be connected to the S32 and allow all the 32 channels to be used on the x32 compact?
Yes, the X32 compact has two AES-50 ports that allow a max of 96 channels to be connected... you still have the same max number of channels you can use at once on that console, which I believe is 38 total, but yes the S32 works great.
Can you use the outputs on the stage box as stereo busses as well?
You can assign stereo busses to the physical outputs on the stage-box, yes! They do not ADD more buses to your console though, they are just a physical port where you can send a buses signal. Does that answer your question or have I misunderstood what you were after? Thanks Dallas!
Hey , got an issue with my s32 ans x32. Using out 15/16 for mains I get a horrible hum on channel 15 only. I ve swaped cables, switched 15/16 and still get the hum. Any ideas?
Hmm, it's always a pain to diagnose one channel acting up on a digital snake. I'm guessing when you say you've swapped cables, you mean you've tried a different network cable between the box and the console? And you're using shielded cat cable with ethercon ends? Does this system get moved around or transported to and from gigs or is it in one location all the time? It's possible you may have a ribbon cable or some other connection not making great contact inside if the unit has been bumped around.
Hey Can I use AES-50 B port directly into the DAW through ethernet adapter for recording and broadcasting
No, you cannot plug AES-50 directly into a computers network card and get anything... you'd need something like this - www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1408780-REG/klark_teknik_dn9630_aes50_to_usb_2_0.html?ap=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=CjwKCAiAxP2eBhBiEiwA5puhNXacjCR_hJstwpsiwIDvzDAdrvxEsbT1oCG4zdIRxFl7-XY7bXqLAxoCd0sQAvD_BwE
@@DcSoundOp thanks this helps me a lot
@@DcSoundOp any other cheapest way of solution,
Great information, thank you! The lat question regarding the mute all button. We have an issue where it seems to be locked on and we cannot disengage it. Have you ever heard of this issue? And would I look in the same place and try to disable there? Thanks again!
I appreciate it.
Quincy
Hey Quincy, thanks for the question & for checking out the video. I have heard of this issue before, though the reasons can be varied. Is it just sticking on occasionally, or is this an all-the-time issue? What console are you using it with? Are you up to date on firmware on both the stagebox and console? Also, what type of cable are you using between the two & have you checked them recently for faults? Let me know & I'll try to point you in the right direction.
Wow, so cool of you to get right back.
The issue happened before but was just temporary and after resting, I was able to disengage the mute all. This past Sunday however, it happened when powering up and we could not disengage the mute regardless of rest. We use the behringer X32 mixer with the stage box. Also, it’s all purchased 2019 and has not had firmware updates. I plan on doing that on Wednesday. Also. It is connected using cat cable and I would bet, just standard. Finally I tried disconnecting the cat cable and then starting up and still no results. :-/
@@seemycapeproductions7833 Thanks for the info. Based on what you're saying I would guess it is an issue with your cabling. When you get back to it on Wednesday, check to see if the cable being used is shielded or not. I'm not sure about every FW version, but I think the stage box stays muted or goes into mute when the clock signal is dropped or compromised. This can happen pretty easily with unshielded cable or shielded cable without ethercon ends (which connects the shield properly to each chassis). These issues can seem like they come out of nowhere when the weather turns cold, and the humidity drops due to static building up on the unshielded cable.
Interesting for sure! I am fairly sure that the cables are not shielded… they were installed by a local company and we already had to change to shielded for our video equipment. So wowzers!!!! I will do the firmware updates and work on getting that cable switched out for shielded. I really can express my appreciation for your time and input on this issue. I will post back after I make the recommended changes.
@@seemycapeproductions7833 I'm happy to help when I can. It might be worth dragging the console and stage box closer together and testing with a proper cable before rewiring the space just to confirm there are no other issues at play. I would certainly switch to shielded either way though in the long run. Looking forward to hearing how you get on. Thanks again for checking out the video!
Can I use one stagebox for 16 channels and then the other 16 use on the board Behringer X 32 ?
Hey Lady Bozo, I answered your question directly in the latest video - th-cam.com/video/kHwAXXc3QbY/w-d-xo.html - trying out a new format to see if folks enjoy a viewer questions video. Thanks again for watching & for the great question! Stay in touch.
Uma duvida: o powerplay ha8000 posso colocar junto com o S32 no palco, ou deve ficar necessariamente perto da X32???
Absolutamente puede poner el HA8000 en el escenario con el S32. Dirija sus mezclas a las salidas S32 XLR y conéctelas al HA8000 con eso. Su mejor opción sería usar el puerto ultranet en el S32 y obtener algunas de las unidades de monitor P16-M para usarlas como amplificadores de auriculares. Espero que esto haya sido útil. Gracias por ver.
@@DcSoundOp muito obrigado
I’ve been asking this question to almost every video I see. Why are my faders individually not affecting the sound coming out of front speakers, and the MAIN L/R. We have done the routing because we have all our instruments coming out of the s32 stage box, our microphones are wireless and all through 1 box. Which those go directly connected to x32. Our speakers however we have setup in the mixbus section/output on s32 1-2, subwoofers 3-4, stage monitors 5-6 and ear monitors 7-8 We haven’t changed our livestream mix bus which on the mix bus is still 1-2 but is that maybe why faders don’t work?
Hey Mauricio, thanks for the message. I'm guessing you haven't had a good response to your question yet, because it's a tricky one to diagnose from a distance. It sounds like you may have your livestream double assigned and your house L/R mix not assigned where you want it. I'd start with one source and follow it through the signal path carefully so you can see where it is really going. I'm sure you'll be able to find the issue if you go slowly and take it one step at a time.
@@DcSoundOp you were right. I figured it out a few days ago, but yes, bc we had chosen our main speakers on the s32 plugged in output 1-2 and we had on the mixer our livestream in bus 1-2 so they collided. I routed the main speakers to bus 9-10 and then made link to Main L/R. Now things are back to normal and faders work!
@@mauricioc1860 that’s great news, thanks for the follow up!
We just installed a new s32 replacing an bad one. My question is now I cannot find the photos power button on my channel strips.
Sorry for the slow response. Did you get this sorted? Off the top of my head, I would guess you're not connected to the correct Ethercon port, are you using port A on the mixer and the stage box? Have you confirmed your network cables are not damaged and are still working as expected. Let me know if you've found a solution.
Hey Steve! I hope this comment reaches you since this video is a little old. Do you know if the S32 or the S16 work with dante? What I mean is if the actual X32 console has an x-dante card in it, and a stage box is connected via aes50, would all the inputs on the stage box be available in dante controller? Obviously, one would assume this would require routing channels to the stagebox in the console. Thanks in advance!
Hey Mike, if you have an X32 with the dante card and one of these stageboxes connected to the X32 as well, you can certainly route the inputs over to the dante network. You're limitations are always going to be whatever the console can do for routing, which varies a bit between different X32 models and the Wing etc. & depending on what else you need routed for outputs and all. But within the limits of the console, yes you can use the console to bring these inputs into a Dante network.
Dude thanks so much!
I thought that since firmware 1.6 remote control of the head amps is possible over midi?
Quote:
MIDI Remote Control
• Note: The DL32 will only accept MIDI controls when its preamps are not controlled from
a console (i.e. M32 series) already
• When DL32 is connected to any AES50 clock master that does not control its preamps,
(e.g. Lynx AES16e-50), then its rear panel MIDI input allows controlling head amp gain and
phantom power
• Rx/Tx on MIDI CH01 CC80...95, 0-19 > Input 1-16, Gain, 2.5 dB steps, -2.5 dB...45 dB
• Rx/Tx on MIDI CH01 CC96...111, 0/127 > Input 1-16, Phantom power, on/off
• Rx/Tx on MIDI CH02 CC80...95, 0-19 > Input 17-32, Gain, 2.5 dB steps, -2.5 dB...45 dB
• Rx/Tx on MIDI CH02 CC96...111, 0/127 > Input 17-32, Phantom power, on/off
How about that! I must have missed reading those release notes. I think the point I was addressing in this video was recording audio & controlling the preamps via the USB port, which is still a no. But I guess with that 800 Lynx card, and a midi controller either via software or hardware, you could make something work.
Can this be used on an Allen and heath sq7 console
Hi Michael, these cannot be used with the SQ7 unfortunately, but the SQ7 is nicer than the consoles that these work with, so you're doing well there. Thanks for the message!
i don't now if you mention this ir not but I have a question, can the X32 producer handle the S32? thanks
Yes, the S32 works with all of the X32 mixers. The total number of channels your mixer can process does not change however, you just have more inputs & outputs to choose from.
@@DcSoundOp thank you so much for your replay I highly appreciate it
Can this s32 stage box be used as a stand- alone mixer, i.e serve as a mixer in itself???
No, you would need the X32 rack for that type of thing.
Hey, How's it going?! Can I use ONE Cat5E cord for ALL 32 channels in the A input?
Yes, AES-50 works with up to 48 channels per port.
@@DcSoundOp Oh my word..... 48?? I'm GOOD good, WHAT A RELIEF!
Replaced an old s32 stage box with a new one. Now I do not have the gain or phantom power icons on individual channels. Thoughts?
Have you checked that the replacement box is on the most recent firmware? And your console?
How do u check the firmware status on the stagebox
We got it sorted out. Turns out it was my computer that was the problem.
In a x32 rack, Will I be able to add 7 stereo IEM out using a s32 digital stage box? I mean can I use S32 box and use all 16 outputs ?
Yes, that should work fine but you can check the routing possibilities in the S32 quick start guide and see if it is what you are looking for - mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0BMC/S32_QSG_WW.pdf
@@DcSoundOp thank you
Since this has adat expansion, can i use it to expand my audio interface?
Unless your interface happens to be an X32, M32 or Behringer Wing Mixer, no this won't work as an adat expansion.
@@DcSoundOp what is the benefit of having the optical adat aes50 ports. Do they have lower latency than the ethercon based connection?
AES/EBU use the bus out 13/14? 15/16? Thanks
Yes! You can see the whole output config listed in the quick start guide (under documentation on the S32 page) - mediadl.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0BMC/S32_QSG_WW.pdf - Thanks for the question & for watching Roberto!
Is it only compatible with x32 and midas?
Yes, only with their family of consoles, including the Wing too.
Can I cascade an S32 and S16?
What do you mean exactly by cascade? It would depend on the mixers you are using as to what routing will be available when connected to two different stage boxes. You can check the user manuals for each *and the mixer you have* to see the routing options.
My S32 is stuck in “mute all” and won’t disable. Any idea how to fix or why this would happen?
Possible that your sync with the primary clock source isn't locked? Are you using Port A on the S32 and the mixer it is plugged into? Are you using shielded network cable & is it stranded twisted pair, not solid wire?
I am using Port a but I don’t have a sink with my mix and console. The cable is not shielded but I’ve use this cable for over a year and had no problem. Just one day turned on the system and had no sound at all, then I noticed that the mute Always-On but when I press it it does not disengage.
Do You fix it ?
How do i turn the mute all button off? Mine is stuck on and wont go off
Are you sure the sync is good? The incoming primary clock source needs to be into port A on the S32. Try that and see if your mute all clears.
@@DcSoundOp everything was in A and we tried B. Still didnt work. So i put the cord back in A on the snake and the mute all button went off. Im guessing thats how it gets reset
I have a S16 and it was great when it worked. Sent it for repair to Behringer and it came back with the same problem. Apparently Behringer stage boxes are now non repairable. Anyone having problems with the power supply?
Also, anyone know of another digital snake that will work seamlessly with the X32?
Hey Blayne... what happened to yours that they said isn't repairable? Did you send it under warranty & they said no to fixing it or what happened exactly? I'm guessing it's something in the power supply from your message, which is usually the easier part to fix when stuff goes wrong. Let us know the whole story when you've got a moment. Thanks!
Some folks use the Midas DL series stage boxes with their X32 systems... you've just got to be sure the sampling rate is correct when you are setting them up.
DL32 vs s32 stage boxes?
Thanks for the message Aaron, I don't have a DL series at hand right now, but that's a great idea for the future!
Aaronho4242 do you sound quality or use???
The main difference is in the Behringer series is the Behringer XLR connector vs Midas has the Midas Connector preamps on ins and outs….
Hey you got the lead singer of the pussycat dolls
I use the usb to record to my laptop
Not with an s32 you don’t, it’s not possible.
@@DcSoundOp I will stand corrected sir
but I do have a question for you can you use all of the outputs of the s30
using x32 and s30
Can I use this stand alone with a computer and pass audio through ethernet to Ableton?
hi Lee, no this model does not do that, unfortunately.