@@BangaloreAviation they aren't faster and they can't use flatbed cars for that, the use a special walled cars that are hollow to contain the containers, whereas IR uses normal flatbed cars since its already broader than normal standard guage flatbed
England also chose a broader gauge in Ireland. The loading gauge on standard gauge is further different. The traditional English is particularly narrow, the continental European is larger and allow shipping containers the US is even larger and allow two containers on top of each other.
Broader the gauge , the more the stability. Yes it costs more but remember, broad gauge can carry more load British wanted that. Due to rolling stock issues , India’s urban trains are standard gauge and so will our high speed bullet trains High hills always had meter or narrow gauge due to space , logistics and finance
@@hairyairey I have ridden on both Indian trains and Japanese Bullet trains. The bullet trains are not as wide as Indian trains. However the bullet trains are very stable and run much faster than Indian trains.
@@smedleyfarnsworth263 the nearest I have managed to get to a Japanese train is the carriage in the National Railway museum! Five seats across with a wider aisle than British trains
Thank you for the video. I would remind that the gauge of 1676 mm is used not only in India, but also in Argentina and Chile. These countries never were under British Empire, but their railways were largely built by British companies during the 19th century. The fact that the gauge is the same as India is therefore no coincidence ...
Portugal and Spain also use 5'6 gauge and this had been already adopted in Goa so it made sense for this gauge to be used in British parts of India as well.
Thanks for the video and thanks for messaging me before using my clip! Indeed, high speed on broader gauges is possible and pretty normal. Not only in Russia, Finland operates Pendolino on broader (1524 mm.) gauge and Ukraine also has no issues with 1520 high speed with home-developed units. The only trouble in Europe is interoperability, but Talgo trains with adjustable gauge were developed specifically to maintain interoperability between Iberian 1668 gauge of Spain and the Standard 1435 gauge of France. These trains are also used on break of gauge between Belarus 1520 and Poland 1435 on Moscow-Berlin route. Siemens and others when they got a huge order for rolling stock pretty sure were fine at manufacturing wider gauge trains. They would have to adjust to climate and electrical standards anyway. I presume manufacturers of Shinkansen rolling stock might be a bit more reluctant because they lacked projects like that, but Shinkansen were already “down-gauged” for “Mini-Shinkansen”, i see no issues for developing “Maxi-Shinkansen”
Vokabre yes Shinkansen would have developed a Maxi-Shinkansen if the Indian railway administrators had insisted on it but vested interests and plain corruption stopped that. Indeed the original plan for the Mumbai-Ahmedabad high speed route was to build to the 1676 mm gauge. But subsequently they were persuaded to opt for the 1435 gauge in spite of Indian Railways having a stated Unigauge policy since the 1990s...
@Vokabre Some of the Renfe Series 101 train sets (based on TGV Atlantique) had Iberian gauge axles and they were used on Euromed service. Today Talgo has replaced them and the all the S101 train sets were built to standard gauge. Also, the Talgo trains that were tested in India were of 1668 mm gauge and Indian gauge is 1676 mm. So 8 mm isn’t a big figure and thus Spanish and Portuguese rolling stocks and locomotives can easily run on Indian tracks.
There is a good reason why Finland uses the Russian gauge in its original version, i.e. 1524mm. Until the Russian Reveolution they were a part of the Russian Empire
The _Shinkansen_ is already quite 'maxi' though with a rolling stock width of ~3.4m (wide enough to accommodate 3+2 seating plus a wider aisle in the middle that 2 passengers can walk thru abreast). Using a wider track gauge would cause more wheel slippage at curves though (since the difference in circumference/distance travelled by the outer & inner wheels increases together with the distance between the wheels i.e. the track gauge) & thus raise the minimum track curve radius required by the train, & on the other hand, the _Tokaido shinkansen_ , the world's 1st, is relatively more winding (probably to minimise the need for tunneling, as the railway hugs close to the coastline while being sandwiched between that & mountains, which sit quite near the coast)
0:40 "The strong winds prevalent in the subcontinent would simply blow away the standard-gauge locomotives and cars off the tracks." China, the USA, Japan, Southeast Asia and Mexico, all of which adopted standard and narrow gauge tracks and are located in or near typhoon/hurricane zones: *OOWEEEEEEEEE*
I hope you were able to get the pun! this ridiculous explanation was provided by a certain TH-cam channel. I had to make this video to correct the ridiculous arguments made there..
Them too, in fact back in the 40s up until the 80s, we also had a large narrow gauge network here in my country (already included in Southeast Asia) and just like TW or Japan we're also on the frontline for typhoons.
I should note that loading gauge and rail gauge have little correlation. UK uses standard gauge (1435mm) yet has a noticeably smaller loading gauge than South Africa, which uses 3'6" (1067mm) gauge.
You may be right here... but, the supposed wider gauge on offer was one of the reasons Broad gauge was chosen. And post 1862, Lord Mayo (then Viceroy of India) a strong votary of the metric system, ordered all new railways to be laid to 1000 mm metre gauge. Indian Railways suffered multiple gauge for quite a long time!
Meanwhile Japan has approximately the same loading gauge as the UK (~2.8-2.95m width) while using SA's track gauge. A flip side is that their trains tend to have more body roll due to higher instability (with the body being almost 3x wider that the track, & that's quite noticeable as many tracks in the mountainous country can be quite winding. On the plus side, I think using a narrow gauge means that he trains are more likely to be able to negotiate curves at closer to top speed without too much wheel slippage
One more reason was that the British thought that with a country as large as india, the steam locomotive would need to have a larger firebox and coal capacity to travel from end to end of the country
Plus theory was that wider gauges meant bigger inside cylinders, thus meaning more power. Now that steam has been phased out of revenue service, that argument is null.
Hi Bro, new to the channel. I very well loved your content. Even after having indigenous production units, we gave orders to foreign companies. We export rolling stock to Malaysia and African countries. This was a great opportunity to showcase our prowess in High-Speed Rail as we did it in Space, got sold for few pieces of foreign silver
The first 5'6 railways were Arbroath to Dundee and Arbroath to Forfar in Scotland, about 40 miles of single track but dismantled and replaced with standard gauge by 1848.
The British Empire had all sorts of gauges. Meter gauge in Malaya/NZ/Africa, broad gauge in India, standard gauge in Canada/GB. Even the UK itself has 2 gauges, Northern Ireland has 1600mm. Australia has a mix of gauges too. Presumably it was all based upon the terrain of the country. India being large and relatively flat probably meant Broad gauge made the most sense.
Australia's mix of guages simply reflects Britain and Ireland's mix of guages, literally it was due to the different nationalities of the men who founded the railway network in each colony (state).
indian gauge is just better. its a shame the high speed train is not proper width. changing the bogey width with modern computer design is not a big problem. indian coaches are a glorious 3 + 3 wide. in the uk they are 2 + 2. with the amount of people travelling in india only ever increasing.. its going to be very crowded on those tiny trains.
@@TheTrainStory its nuts. you have a break of gauge issue. all the sleepers in india are made for broad gauge, track maintenance equipment. the list goes on. germany previously supplied india with broad gauge rolling stock too. one of the funniest arguments i heard for official support of narrow (standard) track was that narrower trains were more efficient because there was less wind resistance.
Standard gauge is best for high speed for the following reasons: Standard gauge offers enough stability for all purposes, even for big loading gauge and double stacking. You simply do not need any bigger gauge. Also the traction motors of electric locomotives fit very well between the wheels on standard gauge. You simply do not need more space between the wheels. Standard gauge axles are more lightweight than broad gauge axles, so there is less unsprung mass on standard gauge, which is great for high speed rail. Smaller gauge makes it easier to meet smaller tolerances. Hope that helps.
I recently saw a video which suggested that Indian Railways were largely built by Great Western engineers who had been trained on Brunel's Broad Gauge. Seems a realistic reason. In any case the bigger limitation is loading gauge, not track gauge. The USA has massive trains running on standard gauge, and even South Africa operates a bigger loading gauge than the UK on 3'6" tracks. Basically there is no logic behind track gauges.
Standard gauge is more stable. The wider the distance between the wheels, the higher their oscillation which will make it unstable at a lower speed than standard gauge.
@@himanshusingh5214 have to disagree on this. 1676 Indian bg is more stable than the 1435 sg. Maybe extremely wide gauges cause higher oscillations but the 1676 does not have that problem
The reason for choosing gauges was what animals where used for shunting Irish horses where bigger then English, Scottish and Welsh ponies which used for hauling wagons. In Spain, Portugal and India pairs of donkeys, also in India use was made of Camels, oxen and even elephants. There are photos from the 19th Century showing the use of draught animals.
I remember an article same time ago about the use in Alaska of even dog teams being used on one Railway. The only person I know to have thought about track gauge was Brunel from the point of the best speed and handling, everyone else put cost first.
The standard gauge is WIDE ENOUGH for high-speed railways/trains. Trains in Japan and France have a top speed of 320 km/h. In China, 350. Broad gauge railways cost a FORTUNE to lay and maintain.
India high speed train runs in broad guage two line Blue and yellow on delhi metroruns on standerd guage there are few old standerd guage lines in India which is called meter guage
Well, there was a technical reason favouring broad gauge two centuries ago. Coal-fired locomotives had one big limitation: they had to make very frequent stops to load water, which evaporated in huge volumes during operations. A bigger locomotive (typically using broad gauge) spent more, but because of their size could load proportionally more water, thus resulting in better distance autonomy. With the introduction of diesel and electric machines, the point became moot, so now only other considerations are valid, namely standard gauge is more adapted to hilly or mountainous terrain since it can use curves of lesser radius. It is because of this that the British also adopted wide track in Argentina, Chile and some parts of Australia.
LHB Double Decker in India has Track gauge, 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) broad gauge ·Operating speed, 130 km/h. Tanzania has refurbished German double decker on standard gauges.
Some good points. & I guarantee a 3"6" gauge loaded coal car in Queensland Australia, or the locomotives that haul these 13,000t trains are much heavier than a 5'6" passenger car in India. The loading gauge of very broad gauge railways is often bigger as well. & the wide Indian trains make me think of Australia's Ski Tube railway. I have not got to the bottom of why Ski Tube cars are so wide though. I think a wide railway & maybe 11 foot wide cars would be good for luxury trains.
Do u still hold that ourgauge could be made into high speed railway exceeding 155-200 miph as i heard somewhere Sudhanshu mani ji said when asked about aluminium based train for Vande-sleeper that speed potential for our track is 200kmph & only in tweeked form it's 220kmph but not more than that..
Those days, railways were experimental. Their were different gauges were used. The reason British chose this for high capacity hauling and nothing else. India had several railway lines with different gauge sizes. Now this has resulted in advantages because of very less modifications required to carry containers. Metro being standard gauge is indeed better idea for existing companies to manufacture and sell the items
Yes standard gauge metro is indeed profitable for rolling stock companies to empty their stock in India. But does it work for India... some critical thinking is needed
@@TheTrainStory Actually it does as long as the metro system is separated from regular lines. It results in quick transfer of technology from foreign companies and avoids locked in vendors. Not to mention exporting standard gauge rakes like Australia and Philippines
It would have been cooler and more useful if the gauges were wide enough that both sides of the passage could have 'berths' solving our overbooking crisis and building a 'homely' train.
It would have been better if you spelled out / graphically shown the width difference between standard gauge, broad gauge and Russia gauge. instead of leaving it for the viewers to search and find out.
Hi this is my first comment on your channel I just wanna ask one question Does broad guage passenger and freight rail offer more capacity ? Or is it same as standard guage Because I have read somewhere that capacity of standard guage and broad guage is more or less similar Please reply
The short answer is definitely yes it does offer more capacity, depending on how you want to define that. That is if the railcars or wagons are specifically designed for the wider gauge track and not just standard cars with the wheels further apart. But then the standard gauge fans will say, "well, all we have to do is make our railcars a bit longer to match the wider car capacity", which is true. Several things that cannot be denied are... the wider gauge is more stable for high center of gravity cars... and the wider gauge spreads the weight around on more surface area of the substructure, making it "easier" on the track bed. Plus the ability to carry wider loads, if your infrastructure is designed around that(tunnels and other clearance issues)..the whole loading gauge thing.
The decision to go for the broad gauge(5'2") rather than standard European and UK gauge of 4'4" was due to the viceroy Dalhousie who thought broad gauge was more suitable for Indian terrain and the climate of heavy rains and cyclones!.
And why would that be weird?… if you know the history, standard gauge is a compromise gauge. It was continued with because several thousand miles were already laid before it’s inadequacies came to light.
Using two gauges in Delhi (metro) is certainly not a wise decision. The reasons for adapting standard gauge are not technical but commercial. Metro engineers involved in standard gauge construction will find ready employment in railway projects of foreign countries.
the reason for adopting standard gauge in delhi metro is the radius of turn of standard gauge is less compared to broad gauge, this means acquiring less land
Taipei, Taiwan/ROC also uses standard gauge for it's metro but it's long distance railways are narrow gauge instead. But in there & mainland China, metro & long distance/commuter rail are mostly separate from each other, unlike in Japan where they're often connected to one another (which is why Tokyo's newer metro lines use narrow instead of standard I think)
IGNORANCE OF GAUGES & LOADING GAUGES APPEARS TO BE EVERYWHERE !!! Amazing ! This programme which condemns an earlier one, is itself only partially correct. Further virtually EVERY comment below is also incorrect, both about Gauges & the more complex issue of Loading Gauge. So it seems that unless you are a qualified Railway Engineer like myself, you haven't a clue what your talking about. And for the record Neither does Wikipedia !!! The biggest misunderstanding in India concerns the 3ft 3in (990.6mm) gauge lines. Both the 5ft 6in & 3ft 3in gauges were chosen by a British Government "Gauges commission" on advice from British Military Engineers already in India around 1870. For the specific reason of preventing another "Gauges War" as happened in Britain, USA & certain European countries. The 5ft 6in gauge was deemed suitable for major routes in India, most of which avoided problematic & costly Mountain areas. The wider the gauge the more stable the trains movement, the bigger the potential capacity of wagons to carry military & general freight traffic, & the safer for higher speeds. The down side being increased construction costs for tunnels, bridges & a necessity for larger radius curves requiring more land (& purchase cost). Incidently it was also a British Government "Gauges Commission" that laid down the law for the WHOLE of Ireland to use 5ft 3in for main lines. As a number of gauges including 6ft & 6ft 2in had already been laid. Eire it should be noted did not become independent until much later in December 1922. INDIAN 3ft 3in (990,6mm) GAUGE. The 3ft 3in gauge was chosen for secondary routes, with less traffic potential, and to gain access into more problematic mountainous regions, where construction costs did not warrant the extra that would be needed for the Broad Gauge. But the Gauge was always 3ft 3in (990.6mm). The confusion and renaming only enters the story when the "metric" system was adopted post World War Two after India's Independence in 1947. The term "Metre Gauge" was used increasingly from that time, NOT because the track had been altered to Metre Gauge, but because it was "Politically Correct" to use metric terminology and "a Metre" was NEARLY correct !!! Having worked with the UN in India during the late 1980's, at a time when conversion of the 3ft 3in gauge lines to Broad Gauge 5ft 6in (1676mm) was already underway. For my own satisfaction I measured the track on two separate routes, and it was still 990.6mm (3ft 3in) wide. When I questioned the Track Engineer for each of these lines, they both explained that the "Indian Metre is 990mm", with a broad grin on their faces !!! Even the famous Railway & Signal Engineer, & prolific railway book writer O.S.Nock, had to clarify this problem when he published books on the Indian (& Japanese) rail networks. Stating that the Indian 3ft 3in Gauge is still 3ft 3in despite increasing misunderstanding due to the adoption of "metric" terminology that the lines had somehow miraculously gained another 10mm to their gauge !!! SPANISH GAUGE CHANGE ? - MORE POLITICAL CONNIVENCE !!! The Spanish & Portuguese National Networks both use 5ft 6in (1676mm) like India, and have done since the 1850's. But the History of the Spanish network and its Gauge is confused by reams of political lies, disinformation & technical incomphrehension. As I discovered when I worked for a Railway Museum in Spain as their CME during 2014-15. The "story" goes like this. Towards the end of the Franco era in 1972 it was decided on a whim, by the then Transport Minister that Spain would reduce its Gauge by 4mm. For no other rational than to stop Portuguese trains from running through to Madrid. Spanish trains would still be able to reach Lisbon (at a reduced speed), but the Spanish network (RENFE) would then take all the fare money on the route. However to implement such an absurd change to the Spanish Broad Gauge network would have cost hundreds of Million's of Pounds/Dollars, and caused operational chaos potentially for months if not years. In reality it seems just a few miles of track close to the Portuguese border was supposedly reduced. Certainly the track on the main 5ft 6in gauge coastal route from Barcelona to Tarragona, and elsewhere is still 1676mm. And all the locos & rolling stock in the Museums collection, which included a fairly modern German built Co-Co electric built in the 1980's, still had wheels set for 5ft 6in !!! CONNING THE PASSENGERS !!! Yet more "LIES" is that the Spanish Railways currently show maps of their current AVE (super high speed routes) claiming these are ALL to European standard Gauge of 1435mm, operating at up to 186 mph so you pay a much higher ticket price ! In reality ONLY ONE of the routes is built to 1435mm, and can run trains at 186 mph. This being the new line from France parallel but slightly inland down the Mediterranean coast, through Barcelona, on towards Tarragona. Where it then turns inland to Zaragosa, before turning left and heading to Madrid. And finally on southwards to Seville. RENFE also claims that the original 5ft 6in gauge line southwards from Barcelona all the way down the coast to Valencia is now "AVE" . And the line from Madrid to Galicia in North West Spain also AVE, all of which is a LIE. But it allows the Spanish to charge AVE High Speed ticket prices on traditional routes. They have even gone as far as regauging a handful of surplus AVE's to 5ft 6in Gauge for use on those routes. But the game is given away, as all the other trains on these routes are normal 5ft 6in gauge types, which include freight trains. Indeed speed on these traditional routes although "improved" by tack upgrades, has a maximum of 125mph (over just a few sections) but mainly no more than 90mph. THE BOTTOM LINE Web sites such as Wikipedia of course show what the writer wants, and much of the LIES are written by the ADIF (Politically appointed Track Authority Boss). Whom I confronted face to face when he visited the Museum. This revealed he has absolutely NO Railway Engineering Knowledge whatsoever, and did not even know that 12 Freight trains had derailed on this route, past the Museum in the couple of years I had been working there !!!
I hope you saw the full video. The statement of trains being blown of from tracks was made by another channel and I was pointing out the factual error in that statement. And there is no evidence to suggest that standard gauge is better than 1676 mm broad gauge.
The Rolling stock is already there (for 200 kmph), it is the track and signaling that has to be upgraded. The Mumbai- Delhi route may be the first to go 200
Why India chose broad gauge over standard gauge ??? India is a 【BIG】 country and it have 【 1.4 billion 】 population. 👍👍 India chose 【broad gauge】 so the train will be much much 【stable】 and to allow more people hanging outside the train and on the cabins' top !!😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
ExpressRail Productions we don’t need to use Russian gauge for Indian high speed trains. The point I am trying to make is that it is perfectly possible to have high speed system built to Indian 1676 mm gauge.
Rubbishing is very easy but the question still remains unanswered. Why did India choose broad gauge? Looks like you don't have the answer but other answers are rubbish. Although I agree most were rubbish.
I did give the primary reason didn’t I, BG offered a potentially wider loading gauge for freight movement (2.20-2.28). And technically , it was not India but the British Raj that chose the gauge
My dear friend while you provided the required reasoning for India adopting the broad gauge. BUT IT WAS HIGHLY APPALING when you said- :on a HINDI TH-cam channel" ....... why this specific emphasis on the language .... you a very good example of "Angrez chale gaye par aapni duum chodh gaye" So my friend stop ridiculing other languages and be respectful to all .... Would it have caused any harm to say a TH-cam channel ....
I had no intention of ridiculing Hindi or any language. The channel was in Hindi and therefore I said Hindi channel. criticising content in no way can be seen as ridiculing language. Had the channel content been in English or any other language, I would have said English or the said language. Moreover I have myself made videos in Hindi. Your getting appalled is rather unreasonable and over the top.
your thinking is a worry. why this specific emphasis on the 'language' of a channel. Unnecessarily create issues/hatred. BTW your english is also very good :)
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Broad gauge is the reason that double-stack container freight cars can move at high speeds with good stability.
The difference is that standard gauge double stacks usually have well decks. They move pretty fast though, up to 70mph in the USA.
Sorry. Look at the US and the container trains they run.
@@BangaloreAviation they aren't faster and they can't use flatbed cars for that, the use a special walled cars that are hollow to contain the containers, whereas IR uses normal flatbed cars since its already broader than normal standard guage flatbed
@@N330AA their tracks are relatively much less crowded and train frequencies are considerably less per capita, hence their freights move fast.
The fastest freight trains are in Italy dude
England also chose a broader gauge in Ireland.
The loading gauge on standard gauge is further different. The traditional English is particularly narrow, the continental European is larger and allow shipping containers the US is even larger and allow two containers on top of each other.
Thanks for this useful information
Wait North Ireland has different rail gauge than the rest of uk?
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Yes, 1600 mm in Ireland, standard is 1435 mm.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_gauge_in_Ireland
The us and europe have the same gauge
@@felixbeutin8105 well yes, except Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Finland and former USSR, then Europe use standard gauge.
Broader the gauge , the more the stability. Yes it costs more but remember, broad gauge can carry more load British wanted that. Due to rolling stock issues , India’s urban trains are standard gauge and so will our high speed bullet trains High hills always had meter or narrow gauge due to space , logistics and finance
That stability point is not really much of a point at all. Standard gauge is perfectly stable.
@@smedleyfarnsworth263agreed. Look at the width of Japanese bullet trains on standard gauge slab track. I believe they are as wide as Indian trains.
@@smedleyfarnsworth263agreed. Look at the width of Japanese bullet trains on standard gauge slab track. I believe they are as wide as Indian trains.
@@hairyairey I have ridden on both Indian trains and Japanese Bullet trains. The bullet trains are not as wide as Indian trains.
However the bullet trains are very stable and run much faster than Indian trains.
@@smedleyfarnsworth263 the nearest I have managed to get to a Japanese train is the carriage in the National Railway museum! Five seats across with a wider aisle than British trains
Thank you for the video. I would remind that the gauge of 1676 mm is used not only in India, but also in Argentina and Chile. These countries never were under British Empire, but their railways were largely built by British companies during the 19th century. The fact that the gauge is the same as India is therefore no coincidence ...
Thank you for the information
Portugal and Spain also use 5'6 gauge and this had been already adopted in Goa so it made sense for this gauge to be used in British parts of India as well.
Yes
No British India was already using Broad Guage the line from Madras to Delhi and Dhaka to Kabul was already broadguage from the first day
Thanks for the video and thanks for messaging me before using my clip!
Indeed, high speed on broader gauges is possible and pretty normal. Not only in Russia, Finland operates Pendolino on broader (1524 mm.) gauge and Ukraine also has no issues with 1520 high speed with home-developed units.
The only trouble in Europe is interoperability, but Talgo trains with adjustable gauge were developed specifically to maintain interoperability between Iberian 1668 gauge of Spain and the Standard 1435 gauge of France.
These trains are also used on break of gauge between Belarus 1520 and Poland 1435 on Moscow-Berlin route.
Siemens and others when they got a huge order for rolling stock pretty sure were fine at manufacturing wider gauge trains. They would have to adjust to climate and electrical standards anyway.
I presume manufacturers of Shinkansen rolling stock might be a bit more reluctant because they lacked projects like that, but Shinkansen were already “down-gauged” for “Mini-Shinkansen”, i see no issues for developing “Maxi-Shinkansen”
Vokabre yes Shinkansen would have developed a Maxi-Shinkansen if the Indian railway administrators had insisted on it but vested interests and plain corruption stopped that. Indeed the original plan for the Mumbai-Ahmedabad high speed route was to build to the 1676 mm gauge. But subsequently they were persuaded to opt for the 1435 gauge in spite of Indian Railways having a stated Unigauge policy since the 1990s...
@Vokabre Some of the Renfe Series 101 train sets (based on TGV Atlantique) had Iberian gauge axles and they were used on Euromed service. Today Talgo has replaced them and the all the S101 train sets were built to standard gauge. Also, the Talgo trains that were tested in India were of 1668 mm gauge and Indian gauge is 1676 mm. So 8 mm isn’t a big figure and thus Spanish and Portuguese rolling stocks and locomotives can easily run on Indian tracks.
There is a good reason why Finland uses the Russian gauge in its original version, i.e. 1524mm. Until the Russian Reveolution they were a part of the Russian Empire
The _Shinkansen_ is already quite 'maxi' though with a rolling stock width of ~3.4m (wide enough to accommodate 3+2 seating plus a wider aisle in the middle that 2 passengers can walk thru abreast). Using a wider track gauge would cause more wheel slippage at curves though (since the difference in circumference/distance travelled by the outer & inner wheels increases together with the distance between the wheels i.e. the track gauge) & thus raise the minimum track curve radius required by the train, & on the other hand, the _Tokaido shinkansen_ , the world's 1st, is relatively more winding (probably to minimise the need for tunneling, as the railway hugs close to the coastline while being sandwiched between that & mountains, which sit quite near the coast)
@@luisdestefano6056 But still that 2 mm difference is tolerable, though trains have to go slower
0:40 "The strong winds prevalent in the subcontinent would simply blow away the standard-gauge locomotives and cars off the tracks."
China, the USA, Japan, Southeast Asia and Mexico, all of which adopted standard and narrow gauge tracks and are located in or near typhoon/hurricane zones: *OOWEEEEEEEEE*
I hope you were able to get the pun! this ridiculous explanation was provided by a certain TH-cam channel. I had to make this video to correct the ridiculous arguments made there..
Taiwan faces typhoons too & uses narrow gauge too. In fact they're facing a drought now due to a lack of typhoons last year
Them too, in fact back in the 40s up until the 80s, we also had a large narrow gauge network here in my country (already included in Southeast Asia) and just like TW or Japan we're also on the frontline for typhoons.
I should note that loading gauge and rail gauge have little correlation. UK uses standard gauge (1435mm) yet has a noticeably smaller loading gauge than South Africa, which uses 3'6" (1067mm) gauge.
You may be right here... but, the supposed wider gauge on offer was one of the reasons Broad gauge was chosen. And post 1862, Lord Mayo (then Viceroy of India) a strong votary of the metric system, ordered all new railways to be laid to 1000 mm metre gauge. Indian Railways suffered multiple gauge for quite a long time!
How can Japanese build wider coaches 11 ft to 11' 3" even wider than indian coach despite using standard guage explain that
@@examform ... Will anybody explain me what this g'lman is saying, 11 feet wider coaches omg.
Meanwhile Japan has approximately the same loading gauge as the UK (~2.8-2.95m width) while using SA's track gauge. A flip side is that their trains tend to have more body roll due to higher instability (with the body being almost 3x wider that the track, & that's quite noticeable as many tracks in the mountainous country can be quite winding. On the plus side, I think using a narrow gauge means that he trains are more likely to be able to negotiate curves at closer to top speed without too much wheel slippage
Cape gauge it is.
One more reason was that the British thought that with a country as large as india, the steam locomotive would need to have a larger firebox and coal capacity to travel from end to end of the country
Desert Crusader Thanks for this piece of information...
Plus theory was that wider gauges meant bigger inside cylinders, thus meaning more power. Now that steam has been phased out of revenue service, that argument is null.
@@DarkLordSauron100 We now do have the advantage of being able to load double stack over flat wagons which saves a lot of space and weight.
@@fieldmarshal7298 True, contrast to North America and Australia which used well cars to double stack containers, due to their standard gauge tracks.
Very correct ! Primary reason is frieght movement only...
Absolutely
Hi Bro, new to the channel. I very well loved your content. Even after having indigenous production units, we gave orders to foreign companies. We export rolling stock to Malaysia and African countries. This was a great opportunity to showcase our prowess in High-Speed Rail as we did it in Space, got sold for few pieces of foreign silver
Thanks for the appreciation and for sharing ur views
The first 5'6 railways were Arbroath to Dundee and Arbroath to Forfar in Scotland, about 40 miles of single track but dismantled and replaced with standard gauge by 1848.
The British Empire had all sorts of gauges. Meter gauge in Malaya/NZ/Africa, broad gauge in India, standard gauge in Canada/GB. Even the UK itself has 2 gauges, Northern Ireland has 1600mm. Australia has a mix of gauges too. Presumably it was all based upon the terrain of the country. India being large and relatively flat probably meant Broad gauge made the most sense.
Early Canadian gauges were bigger than standard gauge to ward off too much integration with the US
Australia's mix of guages simply reflects Britain and Ireland's mix of guages, literally it was due to the different nationalities of the men who founded the railway network in each colony (state).
indian gauge is just better. its a shame the high speed train is not proper width. changing the bogey width with modern computer design is not a big problem. indian coaches are a glorious 3 + 3 wide. in the uk they are 2 + 2. with the amount of people travelling in india only ever increasing.. its going to be very crowded on those tiny trains.
Yes indeed. The insistence on standard gauge is an outcome of pressure from Rolling stock companies
@@TheTrainStory its nuts. you have a break of gauge issue. all the sleepers in india are made for broad gauge, track maintenance equipment. the list goes on. germany previously supplied india with broad gauge rolling stock too.
one of the funniest arguments i heard for official support of narrow (standard) track was that narrower trains were more efficient because there was less wind resistance.
Standard gauge is best for high speed for the following reasons:
Standard gauge offers enough stability for all purposes, even for big loading gauge and double stacking. You simply do not need any bigger gauge.
Also the traction motors of electric locomotives fit very well between the wheels on standard gauge. You simply do not need more space between the wheels.
Standard gauge axles are more lightweight than broad gauge axles, so there is less unsprung mass on standard gauge, which is great for high speed rail.
Smaller gauge makes it easier to meet smaller tolerances.
Hope that helps.
@@doctorhabilthcjesus4610 ... This buggers logic & argument is not suited to general public. So let him have his own.
@@mrrolandlawrence which guage offer more capacity is it broad guage or standard guage
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I recently saw a video which suggested that Indian Railways were largely built by Great Western engineers who had been trained on Brunel's Broad Gauge. Seems a realistic reason.
In any case the bigger limitation is loading gauge, not track gauge. The USA has massive trains running on standard gauge, and even South Africa operates a bigger loading gauge than the UK on 3'6" tracks. Basically there is no logic behind track gauges.
Please upload videos more frequently....
Your explanation is amazing...
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@svcino ... then rolling stock to have to be increased by atleast 15%.
Even in the U.K., there was a broad gauge created by Brunel but it eventually lost out to Stevenson’s standard gauge by an act of Parliament……
Brunel Gauge was gigantic... 2,140 mm
Standard gauge is more stable. The wider the distance between the wheels, the higher their oscillation which will make it unstable at a lower speed than standard gauge.
@@himanshusingh5214 have to disagree on this. 1676 Indian bg is more stable than the 1435 sg. Maybe extremely wide gauges cause higher oscillations but the 1676 does not have that problem
@@TheTrainStory Ok
The only mistake was not using the 7'1/4" gauge!
The reason for choosing gauges was what animals where used for shunting Irish horses where bigger then English, Scottish and Welsh ponies which used for hauling wagons. In Spain, Portugal and India pairs of donkeys, also in India use was made of Camels, oxen and even elephants. There are photos from the 19th Century showing the use of draught animals.
Good info...
I remember an article same time ago about the use in Alaska of even dog teams being used on one Railway. The only person I know to have thought about track gauge was Brunel from the point of the best speed and handling, everyone else put cost first.
The standard gauge is WIDE ENOUGH for high-speed railways/trains.
Trains in Japan and France have a top speed of 320 km/h. In China, 350.
Broad gauge railways cost a FORTUNE to lay and maintain.
India high speed train runs in broad guage two line Blue and yellow on delhi metroruns on standerd guage there are few old standerd guage lines in India which is called meter guage
Meter gauge is no way near to standard gauge. Former is a meter (3 feet 3½ inch) where as latter gauge is 4 feet 8½ inch.
Meter gauge and standard gauge are different
Well, there was a technical reason favouring broad gauge two centuries ago. Coal-fired locomotives had one big limitation: they had to make very frequent stops to load water, which evaporated in huge volumes during operations. A bigger locomotive (typically using broad gauge) spent more, but because of their size could load proportionally more water, thus resulting in better distance autonomy. With the introduction of diesel and electric machines, the point became moot, so now only other considerations are valid, namely standard gauge is more adapted to hilly or mountainous terrain since it can use curves of lesser radius. It is because of this that the British also adopted wide track in Argentina, Chile and some parts of Australia.
LHB Double Decker in India has Track gauge, 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) broad gauge ·Operating speed, 130 km/h. Tanzania has refurbished German double decker on standard gauges.
Thanks for this video sir, god bless from America
Some good points. & I guarantee a 3"6" gauge loaded coal car in Queensland Australia, or the locomotives that haul these 13,000t trains are much heavier than a 5'6" passenger car in India. The loading gauge of very broad gauge railways is often bigger as well. & the wide Indian trains make me think of Australia's Ski Tube railway.
I have not got to the bottom of why Ski Tube cars are so wide though.
I think a wide railway & maybe 11 foot wide cars would be good for luxury trains.
Do u still hold that ourgauge could be made into high speed railway exceeding 155-200 miph as i heard somewhere Sudhanshu mani ji said when asked about aluminium based train for Vande-sleeper that speed potential for our track is 200kmph & only in tweeked form it's 220kmph but not more than that..
Those days, railways were experimental.
Their were different gauges were used.
The reason British chose this for high capacity hauling and nothing else.
India had several railway lines with different gauge sizes.
Now this has resulted in advantages because of very less modifications required to carry containers.
Metro being standard gauge is indeed better idea for existing companies to manufacture and sell the items
Yes standard gauge metro is indeed profitable for rolling stock companies to empty their stock in India. But does it work for India... some critical thinking is needed
@@TheTrainStory
Actually it does as long as the metro system is separated from regular lines.
It results in quick transfer of technology from foreign companies and avoids locked in vendors. Not to mention exporting standard gauge rakes like Australia and Philippines
It would have been cooler and more useful if the gauges were wide enough that both sides of the passage could have 'berths' solving our overbooking crisis and building a 'homely' train.
It would have been better if you spelled out / graphically shown the width difference between standard gauge, broad gauge and Russia gauge. instead of leaving it for the viewers to search and find out.
This is useful suggestion. Thanks
I think if the track is straight regardless of the gauge the train is stable at any speeds.
I think that hindi TH-cam channel would be ‘knowledge knorr’
Hi this is my first comment on your channel
I just wanna ask one question
Does broad guage passenger and freight rail offer more capacity ?
Or is it same as standard guage
Because I have read somewhere that capacity of standard guage and broad guage is more or less similar
Please reply
Broad gauge offers a higher loading gauge. Also broad gauge is technically more safe at high speeds compared ro standard gauge
The short answer is definitely yes it does offer more capacity, depending on how you want to define that. That is if the railcars or wagons are specifically designed for the wider gauge track and not just standard cars with the wheels further apart. But then the standard gauge fans will say, "well, all we have to do is make our railcars a bit longer to match the wider car capacity", which is true. Several things that cannot be denied are... the wider gauge is more stable for high center of gravity cars... and the wider gauge spreads the weight around on more surface area of the substructure, making it "easier" on the track bed. Plus the ability to carry wider loads, if your infrastructure is designed around that(tunnels and other clearance issues)..the whole loading gauge thing.
Cigago is a stormy city of USA but had Std gauge.
Exactly... trains are not blown over by regular winds...
The decision to go for the broad gauge(5'2") rather than standard European and UK gauge of 4'4" was due to the viceroy Dalhousie who thought broad gauge was more suitable for Indian terrain and the climate of heavy rains and cyclones!.
Yes indeed... but loading gauge was a big factor in the decision too...
The broad gauge is ~5’6” (1676 mm)
he is talking about Knowledge knorr channel😂😂 that video is damn hillarious
Bullet train on broad guage 1676mm track looks very weird.
And why would that be weird?… if you know the history, standard gauge is a compromise gauge. It was continued with because several thousand miles were already laid before it’s inadequacies came to light.
Do you think it was right decision to choose standard gauge for the metros?
Using two gauges in Delhi (metro) is certainly not a wise decision. The reasons for adapting standard gauge are not technical but commercial. Metro engineers involved in standard gauge construction will find ready employment in railway projects of foreign countries.
the reason for adopting standard gauge in delhi metro is the radius of turn of standard gauge is less compared to broad gauge, this means acquiring less land
Taipei, Taiwan/ROC also uses standard gauge for it's metro but it's long distance railways are narrow gauge instead. But in there & mainland China, metro & long distance/commuter rail are mostly separate from each other, unlike in Japan where they're often connected to one another (which is why Tokyo's newer metro lines use narrow instead of standard I think)
So india thinks that it is greater than other standard guage countries.
It is that knowledge knorr guy, you are talking about, even I saw that video you are mentioning and its reasoning is a bit comical
The reasoning was absurd…
Really stupid decision.
Informative.
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IGNORANCE OF GAUGES & LOADING GAUGES APPEARS TO BE EVERYWHERE !!!
Amazing ! This programme which condemns an earlier one, is itself only partially correct. Further virtually EVERY comment below is also incorrect, both about Gauges & the more complex issue of Loading Gauge. So it seems that unless you are a qualified Railway Engineer like myself, you haven't a clue what your talking about. And for the record Neither does Wikipedia !!!
The biggest misunderstanding in India concerns the 3ft 3in (990.6mm) gauge lines. Both the 5ft 6in & 3ft 3in gauges were chosen by a British Government "Gauges commission" on advice from British Military Engineers already in India around 1870. For the specific reason of preventing another "Gauges War" as happened in Britain, USA & certain European countries. The 5ft 6in gauge was deemed suitable for major routes in India, most of which avoided problematic & costly Mountain areas. The wider the gauge the more stable the trains movement, the bigger the potential capacity of wagons to carry military & general freight traffic, & the safer for higher speeds. The down side being increased construction costs for tunnels, bridges & a necessity for larger radius curves requiring more land (& purchase cost).
Incidently it was also a British Government "Gauges Commission" that laid down the law for the WHOLE of Ireland to use 5ft 3in for main lines. As a number of gauges including 6ft & 6ft 2in had already been laid. Eire it should be noted did not become independent until much later in December 1922.
INDIAN 3ft 3in (990,6mm) GAUGE.
The 3ft 3in gauge was chosen for secondary routes, with less traffic potential, and to gain access into more problematic mountainous regions, where construction costs did not warrant the extra that would be needed for the Broad Gauge. But the Gauge was always 3ft 3in (990.6mm). The confusion and renaming only enters the story when the "metric" system was adopted post World War Two after India's Independence in 1947. The term "Metre Gauge" was used increasingly from that time, NOT because the track had been altered to Metre Gauge, but because it was "Politically Correct" to use metric terminology and "a Metre" was NEARLY correct !!!
Having worked with the UN in India during the late 1980's, at a time when conversion of the 3ft 3in gauge lines to Broad Gauge 5ft 6in (1676mm) was already underway. For my own satisfaction I measured the track on two separate routes, and it was still 990.6mm (3ft 3in) wide. When I questioned the Track Engineer for each of these lines, they both explained that the "Indian Metre is 990mm", with a broad grin on their faces !!! Even the famous Railway & Signal Engineer, & prolific railway book writer O.S.Nock, had to clarify this problem when he published books on the Indian (& Japanese) rail networks. Stating that the Indian 3ft 3in Gauge is still 3ft 3in despite increasing misunderstanding due to the adoption of "metric" terminology that the lines had somehow miraculously gained another 10mm to their gauge !!!
SPANISH GAUGE CHANGE ? - MORE POLITICAL CONNIVENCE !!!
The Spanish & Portuguese National Networks both use 5ft 6in (1676mm) like India, and have done since the 1850's. But the History of the Spanish network and its Gauge is confused by reams of political lies, disinformation & technical incomphrehension. As I discovered when I worked for a Railway Museum in Spain as their CME during 2014-15.
The "story" goes like this. Towards the end of the Franco era in 1972 it was decided on a whim, by the then Transport Minister that Spain would reduce its Gauge by 4mm. For no other rational than to stop Portuguese trains from running through to Madrid. Spanish trains would still be able to reach Lisbon (at a reduced speed), but the Spanish network (RENFE) would then take all the fare money on the route. However to implement such an absurd change to the Spanish Broad Gauge network would have cost hundreds of Million's of Pounds/Dollars, and caused operational chaos potentially for months if not years. In reality it seems just a few miles of track close to the Portuguese border was supposedly reduced. Certainly the track on the main 5ft 6in gauge coastal route from Barcelona to Tarragona, and elsewhere is still 1676mm. And all the locos & rolling stock in the Museums collection, which included a fairly modern German built Co-Co electric built in the 1980's, still had wheels set for 5ft 6in !!!
CONNING THE PASSENGERS !!!
Yet more "LIES" is that the Spanish Railways currently show maps of their current AVE (super high speed routes) claiming these are ALL to European standard Gauge of 1435mm, operating at up to 186 mph so you pay a much higher ticket price ! In reality ONLY ONE of the routes is built to 1435mm, and can run trains at 186 mph. This being the new line from France parallel but slightly inland down the Mediterranean coast, through Barcelona, on towards Tarragona. Where it then turns inland to Zaragosa, before turning left and heading to Madrid. And finally on southwards to Seville. RENFE also claims that the original 5ft 6in gauge line southwards from Barcelona all the way down the coast to Valencia is now "AVE" . And the line from Madrid to Galicia in North West Spain also AVE, all of which is a LIE. But it allows the Spanish to charge AVE High Speed ticket prices on traditional routes. They have even gone as far as regauging a handful of surplus AVE's to 5ft 6in Gauge for use on those routes. But the game is given away, as all the other trains on these routes are normal 5ft 6in gauge types, which include freight trains. Indeed speed on these traditional routes although "improved" by tack upgrades, has a maximum of 125mph (over just a few sections) but mainly no more than 90mph.
THE BOTTOM LINE
Web sites such as Wikipedia of course show what the writer wants, and much of the LIES are written by the ADIF (Politically appointed Track Authority Boss). Whom I confronted face to face when he visited the Museum. This revealed he has absolutely NO Railway Engineering Knowledge whatsoever, and did not even know that 12 Freight trains had derailed on this route, past the Museum in the couple of years I had been working there !!!
Standard gauge is better but the trains blow of the tracks! Blatant contradiction!
I hope you saw the full video. The statement of trains being blown of from tracks was made by another channel and I was pointing out the factual error in that statement. And there is no evidence to suggest that standard gauge is better than 1676 mm broad gauge.
Wish the uk had. Faster, safer, more comfortable
Hopefully we can develop trains which will travel at average speeds of over 200 kmph in the upcoming 10 years or so.
The Rolling stock is already there (for 200 kmph), it is the track and signaling that has to be upgraded. The Mumbai- Delhi route may be the first to go 200
Too slow go for 300 km/h that’s obsolete you have similar potential to China and should have 200 mph minimum for intercity nowadays don’t settle
please upload video on the working of maglev train as quickly as possible. please
This stupid reason of blowing air was given by Knowledge Knorr. 😂😂😂😂
I think standard gauges are better option for high speed rail than broad gauge
As far as i know, only Russia has high speed trains on broad gauge.
@@michaeltb1358
250km/h is not that fast tho
ALL BULLET TRAIN SHOULD BE ON BROAD GAUZE IF WE WANT TO BE SUPER POWER UPTO 2050
Why India chose broad gauge over standard gauge ???
India is a 【BIG】 country and it have 【 1.4 billion 】 population. 👍👍
India chose 【broad gauge】 so the train will be much much 【stable】 and to allow more people hanging outside the train and on the cabins' top !!😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
India should team up with Russia
I have one question. Will the Russian broad gauge 1524 mm will suit Indian conditions ?
ExpressRail Productions we don’t need to use Russian gauge for Indian high speed trains. The point I am trying to make is that it is perfectly possible to have high speed system built to Indian 1676 mm gauge.
@@TheTrainStory
Does Spain run highspeed on its 1,668mm gauge lines?
@@Jakob_DK No - they use standard gauge for High speed
thanks
Yeah Please make more videos
But you haven't answered the question.
He has, at 2:06
Nice video :)
Correct
India never chose broad gauge. The British built the railways.
Yes British Raj in India... please see the full video
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are u indian yourself bro
Yes...
@@TheTrainStory - i thinkn Timli means not to say its rubbish - just follow without questioning
আগা মোট আর গোড়া চিকন তাই জন্য
Rubbishing is very easy but the question still remains unanswered. Why did India choose broad gauge? Looks like you don't have the answer but other answers are rubbish. Although I agree most were rubbish.
I did give the primary reason didn’t I, BG offered a potentially wider loading gauge for freight movement (2.20-2.28). And technically , it was not India but the British Raj that chose the gauge
My dear friend while you provided the required reasoning for India adopting the broad gauge. BUT IT WAS HIGHLY APPALING when you said- :on a HINDI TH-cam channel" ....... why this specific emphasis on the language .... you a very good example of "Angrez chale gaye par aapni duum chodh gaye" So my friend stop ridiculing other languages and be respectful to all .... Would it have caused any harm to say a TH-cam channel ....
I had no intention of ridiculing Hindi or any language. The channel was in Hindi and therefore I said Hindi channel. criticising content in no way can be seen as ridiculing language. Had the channel content been in English or any other language, I would have said English or the said language. Moreover I have myself made videos in Hindi. Your getting appalled is rather unreasonable and over the top.
your thinking is a worry. why this specific emphasis on the 'language' of a channel. Unnecessarily create issues/hatred. BTW your english is also very good :)
Very much confusion in your video . Hopeless
Could you specify your confusion... so in future videos I can keep that in mind
ALL BULLET TRAIN SHOULD BE BROAD GAUZE IF WE WANT TO BE SUPER POWER UPTO 2050
ALL BULLET TRAIN SHOULD BE ON BROAD GAUZE IF WE WANT TO BE SUPER POWER UPTO 2050
Lol laughing in maglev