I vaguely remember an article in a late1960s Railway Magazine from an engineer who was building a nuclear power station in Wales. He stated that a short length of line was needed for (possibly a crane) and as he had the freedom he chose the gauge of seven feet and one quarter inch. I so admire the use of such anachromisms.
I'm from Portugal (not from the islands though) and I knew about the railway. However I didn't knew it used to be broad gauge. The fact that those engines are still around in such condition is remarkable, believe me! Here we are not like the UK or the US, we almost don't care about railway heritage... I am verry happy to know that those two are so special!!! Thanks for the video
@@Trevor_Austin Sorry if my spelling wasn't the best 😅 I said that we don't care about trains unlike the UK and the US... We only have two operating tank engines 😢
The UK doesn't know how good it has it in terms of railway preservationl It's the product of a unique period in British history: line closures, a generation which were time and money rich, and the barry scrapyard. Other countries have not been so fortunate. The Netherlands has like two steam locomotives in operation; Portugal has only two. France is quite well served with Museums and heritage lines as well as various 'Chemins de fer touristique' etc etc. Quite how long the situation can remain in the UK I have no idea. Rising costs, coal crisis, shrinking volunteer pool and that the market is saturated I can't see it surviving in its current form. That's not being doom and gloom, it's just reality and simple economics. UK enthusiasts are in a very priveleged position and dont know when they've had it so good. Then again, as my tutor on my 'History and Heritage' course at Universty said, 'Heritage and nostalgia is an English disease'. Which is probably true and explains the plethero or heritage lines etc in the UK and USA, and to an extent Canada.
and the locomotive shed still exists as well, it can be seen very easily from google street view at the upper end of the harbor of ponta delgada. Recognizable by the remarkable archways, without changes regarding historical photos! I guess the engines are still inside. But no tracks, probably dismounted, overpaved or overbuilt with new houses, there is no former track course visible.
Tiny is a wonderful little engine. As for the two little Azores engines, I recall seeing them in a photobook from about 30 years ago... I had no idea they were still around!
I still find it amazing how Tiny managed to survive, along with the two Portuguese survivors, shame about the Nielsen box tank though. A wonderful video!
Seeing 'Tiny' again brought back happy memories of travelling around the South West by train when I was an undergraduate at Exeter University in late'70's. I thought then that, as a true Broad Gauge survivor, she should have been in proper museum rather than abandoned on the platform at Newton Abbott. At least she was spared the fate of 'Lord of the Isles'.
There is a parallel,that exists,in the preservation of the original Baltimore and Ohio,0-4-0t's geared locomotives,that were used on the original main line,from the 1830's and 40's! All were vertical boiler types,and were used up until the 1890's! Not bad,for experimental engines! Thank you for those sidelights on history! Thank you 😇 😊!
Makes me sad that the R.B. Longridge engine Prince Albert isn’t part of this group of broad gauge survivors. Tiny looks fantastic and I had heard recently that one of the Azores engines recently received a cosmetic restoration.
yeep! What scares me is how they have deteriorated since Colin Garratt "rediscovered" them for English speakers at least and photographed the pair outdoors about 20 years ago. One of them has lost its saddle tank and chimney since then.
There's two broad gauge locomotives... a rebuild broad gauge from UK and it's a tender locomotive and there's tiny that's survived and somehow there's two more broad gauge tank engine
So in the UK of the 7ft 1/4 inch gauge there's ony survivor and that's Tiny the subject of this film. There's also two 7ft 1/4in guage survivors in the Azores. There's the driving wheels from one of the Pearson Tanks in existance, along with some components from North Star in the replica built in the 1920s. There are also two replicas (Iron Duke and Firefly). I'd be interested to learn which is the second surviving Brunel gauge locomotive 🙂
There are hundreds of thousands of broad gauge locomotives in daily operation and some preserved. The confusion arises when people refer to the Brunel gauge as just Broad gauge as if it were the only broad gauge used. Broad currently in most of or parts of India, Pakistan, Argentina, Chile, Australia, Sri Lanka, Ukraine, Russia etc. Even quite a bit in San Francisco. Broad gauge more track length than narrow gauge. Instead of saying what they mean we are supposed to mind read what they mean.
When you said they "Restored" Tiny, was the fabric substantially altered as it was in many other early preserved engines? also, is there anything left of the unsalvageable one in the Azores? (be it nameplates or bigger components like cylinders?)
No one has properly studied the surviving locomotive so we don't know what work was a carried out to it. And there's been no real archival research either. No idea about the Neilson in the Azores. It was still complete in 1961 when it was photographed thereafter, no idea. There are some bits of rolling stock and so forth left out there but no one has ever mentioned any elements from the Neilson.
I vaguely remember an article in a late1960s Railway Magazine from an engineer who was building a nuclear power station in Wales. He stated that a short length of line was needed for (possibly a crane) and as he had the freedom he chose the gauge of seven feet and one quarter inch. I so admire the use of such anachromisms.
A broad gauge great western coffee pot locomotive, fascinating.
Glad you enjoyed it
I'm from Portugal (not from the islands though) and I knew about the railway. However I didn't knew it used to be broad gauge. The fact that those engines are still around in such condition is remarkable, believe me! Here we are not like the UK or the US, we almost don't care about railway heritage... I am verry happy to know that those two are so special!!! Thanks for the video
I think the plethora of heritage railways would suggest otherwise.
@@Trevor_Austin Sorry if my spelling wasn't the best 😅 I said that we don't care about trains unlike the UK and the US... We only have two operating tank engines 😢
The UK doesn't know how good it has it in terms of railway preservationl It's the product of a unique period in British history: line closures, a generation which were time and money rich, and the barry scrapyard. Other countries have not been so fortunate. The Netherlands has like two steam locomotives in operation; Portugal has only two. France is quite well served with Museums and heritage lines as well as various 'Chemins de fer touristique' etc etc. Quite how long the situation can remain in the UK I have no idea. Rising costs, coal crisis, shrinking volunteer pool and that the market is saturated I can't see it surviving in its current form. That's not being doom and gloom, it's just reality and simple economics. UK enthusiasts are in a very priveleged position and dont know when they've had it so good. Then again, as my tutor on my 'History and Heritage' course at Universty said, 'Heritage and nostalgia is an English disease'. Which is probably true and explains the plethero or heritage lines etc in the UK and USA, and to an extent Canada.
and the locomotive shed still exists as well, it can be seen very easily from google street view at the upper end of the harbor of ponta delgada. Recognizable by the remarkable archways, without changes regarding historical photos! I guess the engines are still inside. But no tracks, probably dismounted, overpaved or overbuilt with new houses, there is no former track course visible.
Tiny is a wonderful little engine. As for the two little Azores engines, I recall seeing them in a photobook from about 30 years ago... I had no idea they were still around!
Quite ironic, how all the surviving broad gauge locomotives are small 0-4-0s; but also very fascinating how they managed to survive.
I still find it amazing how Tiny managed to survive, along with the two Portuguese survivors, shame about the Nielsen box tank though. A wonderful video!
Seeing 'Tiny' again brought back happy memories of travelling around the South West by train when I was an undergraduate at Exeter University in late'70's. I thought then that, as a true Broad Gauge survivor, she should have been in proper museum rather than abandoned on the platform at Newton Abbott. At least she was spared the fate of 'Lord of the Isles'.
I remember seeing it on Newton Abbot station many years ago.
I guess the old saying is true!
Little Engines Can do Big things!
My guess; the name ''Tiny'' referred to the distance it could travel and maintain pressure.
One of those surviving Brunel broad gauge engines in the Azores had a cosmetic restoration.
The image at 1:30 is probably when it was displayed on Newton Abbot platform, saw it there in 1973
Yep.
There is a parallel,that exists,in the preservation of the original Baltimore and Ohio,0-4-0t's geared locomotives,that were used on the original main line,from the 1830's and 40's! All were vertical boiler types,and were used up until the 1890's! Not bad,for experimental engines! Thank you for those sidelights on history! Thank you 😇 😊!
very nice! please make more videos on broad gauge engines! they are great !
When there's only three genuine 7ft gauge engines remaining it's not going to be easy there's Tiny and a pair in the azores.
Tiny is like a broad gauge coffee pot locomotive. A big fella
Nice video 👍
Tiny is a loco that holds a special place in my heart because I once saw the loco on the SDR.
Just to let you know 'Fire Queen' is as of today in Aberystwyth at the Vale of Rheidol Railway.
Another great, interesting video, have a great and safe festive season, see you next year.
Super. 💙 T.E.N.
Another day at school; thank you Anthony.
Makes me sad that the R.B. Longridge engine Prince Albert isn’t part of this group of broad gauge survivors. Tiny looks fantastic and I had heard recently that one of the Azores engines recently received a cosmetic restoration.
Great video what a little engine.
ive seen photos of these 2 locos being dragged about the shed with the flanges scraping the concrete
yeep! What scares me is how they have deteriorated since Colin Garratt "rediscovered" them for English speakers at least and photographed the pair outdoors about 20 years ago. One of them has lost its saddle tank and chimney since then.
awsom . thank you. i wonder how much interaction there was between Brunel and the Erie railway in the U S A?
There's two broad gauge locomotives... a rebuild broad gauge from UK and it's a tender locomotive and there's tiny that's survived and somehow there's two more broad gauge tank engine
So in the UK of the 7ft 1/4 inch gauge there's ony survivor and that's Tiny the subject of this film. There's also two 7ft 1/4in guage survivors in the Azores. There's the driving wheels from one of the Pearson Tanks in existance, along with some components from North Star in the replica built in the 1920s. There are also two replicas (Iron Duke and Firefly). I'd be interested to learn which is the second surviving Brunel gauge locomotive 🙂
Tiny's boiler looks way too small for those two 9x12 cylinders, especially at 50 psi saturated. Likely not a Gooch or Brunel design.
You're right. It was designed by neither of them :)
Then what's the deal with Lady Patricia being broad gauge?
It's Finnish and built to the Finnish standard gauge of 5ft which is actually narrower than Irish standard guage of 5ft 3in!
There are hundreds of thousands of broad gauge locomotives in daily operation and some preserved.
The confusion arises when people refer to the Brunel gauge as just Broad gauge as if it were the only broad gauge used.
Broad currently in most of or parts of India, Pakistan, Argentina, Chile, Australia, Sri Lanka, Ukraine, Russia etc. Even quite a bit in San Francisco.
Broad gauge more track length than narrow gauge.
Instead of saying what they mean we are supposed to mind read what they mean.
When you said they "Restored" Tiny, was the fabric substantially altered as it was in many other early preserved engines? also, is there anything left of the unsalvageable one in the Azores? (be it nameplates or bigger components like cylinders?)
No one has properly studied the surviving locomotive so we don't know what work was a carried out to it. And there's been no real archival research either. No idea about the Neilson in the Azores. It was still complete in 1961 when it was photographed thereafter, no idea. There are some bits of rolling stock and so forth left out there but no one has ever mentioned any elements from the Neilson.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Thanks for the feedback, may new info turn up one day! :)
Seems difficult and not funny to do something with these piles of rust!